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utah-firearms-digest   Wednesday, February 27 2002   Volume 02 : Number 225




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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:33:33 -0700
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Pro-gun Amendment Vote Today!

I personally believe that the entire campaign finance reform bill is
unconstitutional and full of hypocrisy.  Apparantly the Senate (McCain
Feingold) version specifically exempts Indian Tribes from the rules
imposed on the rest of us.  I'm sure it is only coincidence that the
number one recipient of Indian Tribe money just happens to be Sen.
McCain.

Normally, I'd have some reservations about putting in a special exemption
for gun groups.  For, while I value the 2nd amd very highly, I am no less
attached to the first amd.  I do want and need to hear what the GOA,
UTGOA, GOUtah, and other gun groups have to say about who has really
supported or betrayed my gun rights.  However, I cannot support silencing
the CATO Institute, HCI, the Sierra Club, SUWA, gay/lesbian groups, or
anyone else regardless of the issues the track or which side they take.
To do so is to allow the first amd to die a death by a thousand cuts.

However, in this case, the exemption being proposed below is likely to be
a "poison pill" amendment that will doom the entire bill if it is
attached.  And even if it isn't attached, the vote on it may well expose
who really supports the 2nd amnd.

Last night on MSNBC, Alan Keyes discussed this very topic.  It was
amazing to see how those who support this piece of "incumbant protection"
refused to debate the specifics.  Everytime the discussion turned to the
limits placed on grassroots organizations, the anti-free-speech camp
shifted into talking about "soft money," "Enron," or some other topic not
related to the issue of gagging grassroots groups prior to elections.

Charles

The latest from Ut-GOA:

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Sarah Thompson <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:53:13 -0700
Subject: [UTGOA] Pro-gun Amendment Vote Today!


Due to the urgency of this message, we are forwarding Gun Owners of
America's alert to you, rather than writing a new one.  Apologies to
those
of you who receive duplicates.


Contact Your Congressman! -- Tell him or her to support the Pickering
amendment to the Incumbent Protection Bill

Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102,
Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: [phone] / FAX: [phone]
http://www.gunowners.org

(Wednesday, February 13, 2002) -- Late tonight, the U.S. House of
Representatives will consider the anti-gun Incumbent Protection Bill
(H.R.
2356).

Shays-Meehan (so-called Campaign Finance Reform) is particularly a dagger

at the heart of pro-gun groups.  Groups like GOA would be prohibited from

engaging in many forms of communication to the public which mention the
names of incumbent legislators within 60 days of an election.

This would give anti-gunners a decisive advantage.  For instance, if
anti-gun groups were prohibited from broadcasting ads depicting pro-gun
candidates, they would have little trouble getting the Washington Post,
Chicago Tribune, Philadelphia Enquirer, L.A. Times, etc., (all of which
are
exempt from the legislation) to run the ads as Editorials.

Pro-gun groups rarely receive any positive attention from the major media

outlets.  Thus, GOA members and supporters often rely on our advocacy to
inform them of how their Representatives in Washington are voting -- and
to
alert them when important votes are pending, no matter how close to an
election such votes may occur.

To protect the right of groups like GOA to communicate to the public, an
amendment to Shays-Meehan has been offered by pro-gun Rep. Chip Pickering

(R-MS), which would:

exempt Second Amendment groups from the bill's requirements.

In addition to protecting the rights of groups like GOA to communicate
with
the public, the Pickering amendment draws a line in the sand in
reaffirming
that the Second Amendment is an INDIVIDUAL RIGHT.  The Pickering
amendment
would also:

declare that the Second Amendment applies to ALL AMERICANS and NOT just
to
the National Guard.

As you know, there are many politicians who pretend to support the Second

Amendment in order to secure your votes, but sabotage gun rights once
they
are elected.

Today's vote on the Gun Owners Protection amendment will distinguish our
friends from our enemies.  NO POLITICIAN WHO VOTES TO LIMIT THE SECOND
AMENDMENT TO THE NATIONAL GUARD -- BY OPPOSING THIS AMENDMENT -- SHOULD
EXPECT ANYONE TO BELIEVE THAT HE IS ANYTHING BUT ANTI-GUN.

ACTION:  Please e-mail or call your congressman IMMEDIATELY.  Tell him or

her to support the pro-gun amendment to the Shays-Meehan Incumbent
Protection Bill.

You can call your Representative at 202-225-3121.  To identify your
Representative, as well as to send a message via e-mail, see the
Legislative Action Center at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the

GOA website.


- ----- Pre-written message -----

Dear Congressman,

An amendment to the Shays-Meehan Incumbent Protection Bill to protect the

right of Second Amendment groups to communicate effectively to the public

is being offered today.

I cannot count on the major media to inform me of what's going on
concerning my gun rights.  I must rely on GOA and other groups to inform
me
of pending legislation or congressional votes, no matter how close to an
election these issues arise.

In fact, the primary concern of the First Amendment is to protect exactly

the type of political communication Shays-Meehan is trying to destroy.

The Pickering amendment reaffirms that the Second Amendment is an
individual right, not one reserved to the National Guard.

I urge you to support the Pickering Gun Owners Protection amendment.

Sincerely,


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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:31:46 -0700
From: scott bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: UPI Report Links Kmart Money Woes To Pro-Gun Boycott

http://www.sierratimes.com/02/02/13/argw021302.htm

UPI Report Links Kmart Money Woes To Pro-Gun Boycott

Sierra Times/GunWeek.com

Gun Week.com : 02.13.02

United Press International (UPI) has not exactly been friendly to gun
rights over the years, but on the heels of Kmart's announced bankruptcy
filing in January, UPI carried a news item that seemed a bit surprising.
The UPI report suggested that a boycott of the department store chain by
"Pro-Second Amendment activists . . . because of the vocal anti-gun
activity of Kmart spokesman (sic) Rosie O'Donnell" had an impact on
Kmart's collapse.

UPI failed to also mention Kmart's equally foolish moves in pulling
handguns and ammunition off the shelves, which was also seen by
gunowners as a bigoted slap in the face toward firearm civil rights and
the hunting tradition. Gun Week heard from countless gunowners and
hunters who, in the wake of the announced firearms and ammo sales
policy changes, simply said they would shop elsewhere.

The bigger impact, of course, apparently was in reaction to O'Donnell's
appearance as a Kmart spokeswoman. After O'Donnell used her afternoon
television program to attack actor Tom Selleck for appearing in an
"I'm the NRA" advertisement, Kmart was flooded with angry calls and
mail, and gunowners mounted a boycott.

O'Donnell eventually parted ways with Kmart (or vice versa), with both
the ultra-liberal talk host and the store claiming it had nothing to do
with the boycott.

UPI noted: "Outraged firearms owners have been encouraging people to
shop at WalMart instead."

That may change, too, apparently because some WalMart stores are
also now pulling some guns and ammunition from their inventories.


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Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:19:31 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time)
From: Karl Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Concealed_Carry] Recap: Legally armed citizen shot 8 times in "Friendly Fire" (fwd)

FYI:


http://www.indystar.com/article.php?shot15.html

Authorities haven't reviewed shooting of citizen

Man who was attempting to help officers apprehend suspects in deputy's
slaying was mistakenly targeted.

By Vic Ryckaert
[e-mail]
February 15, 2002 When police shoot an innocent civilian, an outcry usually
follows. But Stephen Flynn was shot in the midst of a virtual war zone, an
injury eclipsed by the death of a Marion County sheriff's deputy slain
moments before by suspects toting assault rifles.

Four months after the Near- Northside incident, police have yet to review
and make public the evidence that suggests two officers mistakenly fired on
Flynn amid the chaos and confusion of Sept. 17. Two men died that night --
the 24-year-old deputy and a 20- year-old suspect. An officer, another
civilian and Flynn were wounded. Flynn was shot eight times in the legs and
hips and left partially blind by a round that hit near his right eye. All
that shooting usually requires extensive study by each agency's firearms
review board. A killing by police requires a grand jury review. So far, in
the case of Sheriff's Reserve Deputy Lawrence Conley and Indianapolis Police
Officer Brandon Mills, no such steps have been taken. In part, that's
because Police and Sheriff's department officials say there's no sign of
impropriety in the shootings. Flynn had been helping police on the night
Deputy Jason Baker was slain. Flynn gave several officers information about
where the suspects fled. But when two other officers came upon Flynn -- to
them an unidentified man carrying a gun -- they shot him. Marion County
Prosecutor Scott Newman has barred police from discussing the incident, but
he concedes that someone might have made a mistake that night. "I'm
extremely sympathetic to any citizen or police officer who is injured in
friendly fire," Newman said. "Things like that happen in the chaotic
atmosphere that's created when police are being fired upon by suspects with
assault rifles." Flynn, who carries two police bullets in his body and an
inch-long scar on his nose near his right eye, said, "I wasn't trying to be
a hero. That was the furthest thing from my mind." Flynn, 36, saw the
suspects flee after crashing their car behind his home. He told several
officers where the men ran and pointed to where the one carrying an AK-47
was hiding. Neither officer involved in the Flynn shooting was suspended or
placed on administrative leave after the incident. Sheriff's Col. Larry
Logsdon said he has no reason to believe his deputy fired the shots
unjustly. Indianapolis Police Department spokesman Lt. Paul Ciesielski said
the same goes for the officer involved. But Flynn believes there's no
question about who was wrong that night. The hospital security guard was
identified in early news stories as a bystander caught in the crossfire. But
even the Indianapolis Police Department recognized that's not the whole
story -- the department awarded Flynn a Certificate of Appreciation in
December. Flynn said he was following the orders of an Indianapolis police
officer who told him to crawl toward better cover. That officer, Frank
Wooten, was awarded a Purple Heart and Medal of Valor during a Dec. 11
ceremony. During that ceremony, Ciesielski told the audience that Wooten was
shot in the leg as he attempted to protect an "innocent civilian." The
shotgun pellet that hit Wooten has been described by some officials as
"friendly fire." Newman, the prosecutor, said it is not proper for police to
speak publicly about this high-profile case before trial. Michael Shannon,
accused of murdering Baker, could face the death penalty if convicted, and
Newman fears publicity would make it harder to select an impartial jury.
Allen Dumperth, the armed man whom Flynn saw jump the fence, was killed that
night by two members of the sheriff's SWAT team -- Deputies Charles Deblaso
and Larry Stipe. Flynn intends to sue the two departments. Marion County
Sheriff Jack Cottey refused to dispute Flynn's claims and said the courts
will have to sort out the facts. "I'm not going to try to second-guess Mr.
Flynn or second-guess the officers," Cottey said. "There were a lot of shots
being fired. Any evidence of what happened that night will be presented in
court." Elder Lionel T. Rush, pastor of Greater Harvest Institutional Church
of God in Christ, said the incident shows there was a breakdown in
communication between the officers on the scene. "I wish (Flynn) had stayed
with the police officers instead of being somewhere in no-man's land," Rush
said. "With that many officers approaching, I could see room for confusion,
but the onus is still on the officers to shoot (or) don't shoot." Rush, a
vocal police critic, said the departments need to provide better training on
the use of deadly force and ought to practice working together in the event
of this kind of crisis. They also need to take responsibility for the damage
and pain Flynn suffered, Rush said, and they need to compensate him "without
hesitation." "They have to say they made a mistake," Rush said. "If they
don't say they made a mistake, some of us won't be so generous with our
statements."

Call Vic Ryckaert at 1-317-635-7592.


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Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 18:17:11 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Larry Elder

On Mon, 18 Feb 2002 19:53:58 -0500 TJC <[e-mail]> says:

Okay, everybody who's surprised about the way the media treated this,
raise your hand.

http://NewsAndOpinion.com/cols/elder1.asp
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Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:30:36 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Original Intent - The National Firearms Act

- -----Original Message-----
From: jr [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:37 PM
Subject: Original Intent - The National Firearms Act

Here's an interesting write up of the basis of the federal claim to the
regulation of firearms. It never seemed right to me that they should be
able to write so many regulations when the Constitution says that the
federal government may not infringe the right to bear arms. This article
makes some very interesting claims.

Jed
[][][][][][][]

http://www.originalintent.org/chapter44.shtml

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Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:11:22 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: RLC News & Views - February 21, 2002

Excerpted

Gun-Grabbers On the March Again

"Representatives of the self-evidently named National Campaign to Close
the Newspaper Gun Ad Loophole are scheduled to release a study this week
that purports to show that classified ads are "a potential source of guns
(including assault weapons) for terrorists, criminals, and the mentally
illÆ"

"The group says such sales permit gun purchasers to avoid mandated
background checks in the 16 states surveyed -- where more than 75 percent
of the surveyed newspapers allow guns to be sold through classified ads.
"Sales of guns through newspaper classifieds offer the anonymity and ability
to avoid law enforcement checks, which make them a potential source of guns
for terrorists,Æ John Johnson, executive director of the Iowans for the
Prevention of Gun Violence, said in a release."

- - UPI's "Capital Comment" 2/20/02

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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:30:36 -0700
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: WARNING:  Project Safe Neighborhoods comes to Utah

This is from today's SLTrib.  West Valley City is getting Project Safe
Neighborhoods.  While it sounds nice at first glance, there are many
problems with this program including the federalization of local crime
issues.

Charles


http://www.sltrib.com/02222002/utah/713679.htm


Grant May Toughen Gun-Crime Penalties In West Valley City
Friday, February 22, 2002


BY IRENE HSIAO
SPECIAL TO THE TRIBUNE

    WANTED: A new West Valley City prosecutor who will collaborate with
the U.S. Attorney's Office in imposing stiffer sentences on criminals
illegally possessing guns or using them in violent crimes.
    The city received a three-year, $120,000 grant from the federal
government in January to hire a "street savvy" prosecutor who will
prosecute West Valley City cases in federal court, said John Huber, West
Valley City chief enforcement attorney.
    The "Project Safe Neighborhoods" initiative is part of a nationwide
effort to charge criminals with federal gun offenses. President Bush and
U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft have declared the gun project second
in importance only to terrorism, said Paul Warner, the U.S. attorney for
Utah.
   "This is an anti-criminal program, not an anti-gun program," Warner
said. "This isn't against the Second Amendment or anything else."
    The West Valley City program will emphasize domestic violence and
drug abuse cases involving guns. About 40 percent of West Valley City
homicides are in the home, much higher than the national average of 11
percent.
    "We want to find those cases and pluck those people out of our
neighborhood," Huber said.
    West Valley City wants to prosecute the cases in federal court
because sentences there are generally tougher than in state court, he
said. That will help keep the criminals off the streets longer, Huber
added.
    "Project Safe Neighborhoods" is an expansion of a similar state
initiative called Project Criminal Use of Firearms by Felons, said
Warner. Project CUFF has filed charges in 389 federal cases statewide in
the past two years.
    The context of the crime will determine whether it can be brought to
federal court, Warner said.
    West Valley City is the only city in Utah that will have a special
prosecutor for such crimes.
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:43:47 -0700
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: BAD substitute to HB 219

Friends,

Scott Daniels
((home) 801-582-8080
(office) 801-583-0801
(fax) 801-583-0802
E-mail Address: [e-mail])

has offered a substitute bill to HB 219.  HB 219 is Rep. Philpot's bill
that would eliminate fees for CCW permits.  Rep. Daniels' substitute
would raise fees from $35 (plus $24 for fingerprints to the FBI) to $53
(plus the $24 for the FBI).  This is a 51% increase!!  It also increases
renewal and replacement fees by 1/3 from $10 to $15.  It then provides
for a waiver of fees for those who cannot afford to pay them.  The bill
requires the disclosure of all income, assets, etc, but provides no
qualifications other than completing the form.  My guess is he plans to
make the form so onerous and intrusive to fill out, that no one will fill
it out.  Any future attempts to reduce or eliminate the fees will be met
with him retorting, "Anyone who can't afford a permit can get one for
free now by filling out the waiver.  No one has (or Only x number have
and the average income among those was a million dollars a year) so
obviously there is no problem."

This is a typical liberal class-warfare type approach.  "From each
according to his ability..." for those who enjoy Marx.  It completely
misses the point of the bill which is "we should not charge for rights"
even IF someone can "afford to pay."

I suggest alerts to your respective groups about this clearly anti-gun
substitute to a very good, principled bill.

While I (and BCI--recall the testimony offered during the hearing on HB
219) believe that current fees DO keep some number of people from getting
a permit to CCW, that is NOT the point of HB 219.  Under the Utah
constitution, we enjoy an individual right to BOTH OWN AND CARRY (eg
"keep and bear") weapons for self defense.  We should not charge to
exercise a right.

And even if CCW is not a right, there is no reason why those CCW holders
who can pay, should subsidize those who cannot.  Welfare should be
explicitly labeled and tracked as such so we can keep track of how much
of it there is.

On the plus side, the existance of such a substitute may help HB 219 move
up the calander for a vote at a quicker pace than otherwise.  And we've
got to give the anti's credit for knowing and using the process.  They've
been completely shut down in committee hearings the last few years.  So
now they're trying to use our good bills to advance their statist agenda.
 Not only do they avoid a committee hearing, they also stand some chance
of derailing our good bills.

Charles
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 14:24:11 -0700 (MST)
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

Below I've excerpted from an article that appeared in the Washington Times
on the 21st. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan hopes you won't read it and
it's also one the establishment media won't likely be letting you know
about.

"Assault rifles for Annan guards investigated" by The Washington Times,
2/21/02

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020221-14729320.htm

The article can be viewed for the next six days free.  It will be available
afterwards for $1.95 from the Times' archives.

- --
Karl L. Pearson
Senior Consulting Systems Analyst
Senior Consulting Database Analyst
[e-mail]
 My Thoughts on Terrorism In America:
 http://www.ourldsfamily.com/wtc.shtml



Assault rifles for Annan guards investigated
By Stewart Stogel
SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES

     NEW YORK -- The U.S. government is investigating whether the United
Nations illegally imported and issued paramilitary assault rifles to
Secretary-General Kofi Annan's security detail.

     Sources in the U.N. Security and Safety Service say that the members of
Mr. Annan's personal protective detail have been using the German-made MP5
submachine guns since 1998, despite an apparent failure to obtain U.S.
clearance for their use.
     U.N. officials say that the use of the highly restricted firearm has
been cleared with U.S. authorities.
     But Mike Campbell, a spokesman for the Treasury Department's Bureau of
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, confirmed in an interview that an inquiry
into the U.N. personnel's use of the weapon was initiated two weeks ago.
     The dispute is made even more sensitive by the fact that Mr. Annan
himself led a U.N. effort last summer to stem the production and sale of
small arms around the world, an effort that drew criticism from U.S.
gun-ownership groups and from the Bush administration.
     "There is no single tool of conflict so widespread, so easily available
and so difficult to restrict as small arms," Mr. Annan told a special
meeting of the Security Council in July.
     The MP5, described by its German manufacturer Heckler and Koch GmbH as
a "paramilitary assault rifle" commonly used by police SWAT squads, is just
one of several varieties of assault weapons currently in the possession of
the United Nations, said one U.N. official who spoke on the condition of
anonymity.
     America's use of the MP5 is normally limited to law-enforcement
organizations, Mr. Campbell said. Importation of the submachine gun is
tightly controlled, he said.
     The United States does not consider the U.N. security service a
law-enforcement organization and thus deems it ineligible to possess weapons
such as the MP5, according to a State Department official.
     "If the United Nations had applied for permission to obtain these guns,
most likely it would have been rejected" again, said the official, who
requested anonymity.
     The State Department official said the United Nations first approached
the U.S. government for permission to purchase the MP5 in early 1998 and was
refused. Just how Mr. Annan's security detail obtained the weapons is the
focus of the U.S. government probe.
     Michael McCann, who has directed U.N. security operations since 1994,
refused to comment on the issue, but U.N. spokesman Fred Eckhard denied any
wrongdoing.
     Mr. Eckhard said he had checked with the security service and was told
that all the necessary licenses for the weapons carried by U.N. personnel
had been obtained.
     "I flatly reject the notion any laws have been broken," he said.
     An American citizen and a veteran of the New York Police Department,
Mr. McCann has been a frequent target of criticism by both U.N. diplomats
and staff over security at the New York site.

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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:14:57 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Never disarm!

Warlord's men commit rape in revenge against Taliban
- ----------
Boston Globe
   The ouster of the Taliban by the U.S.-backed Northern Alliance
   did not stop the use of rape as a way to demoralize and dominate.
   Pashtun families make easy targets because they were disarmed
   when Dostum's troops, assisted by US special forces, drove out
   the Taliban. (02/24/02)
http://www.free-market.net/rd/863655264.html

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Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 16:14:48 -0700
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: HB 82 -- CCW storage bill to be heard in the morning

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HB 82,  Storage of Concealed Firearms on Facilities with Secure Areas --
Swallow, J. will be heard in the house standing Judiciary Committee, in
room 405 starting at 7:00 am.  This bill is first on the agenda.  The
bill is simple and straightforward.  It clarifies existing law and
specifically requires that IF a courtroom or courthouse establishes a
"secure area" then it MUST provide free, on premise storage for those
legally carrying a concealed weapon may safely store their weapons prior
to entering the secure area.

The bill is not perfect, in that it does not apply to legally carried
weapons carried without a permit--open carry, or pocket knife or other
items that a court may not allow into a secure area--especially now that
EVERYTHING is a weapon for pursposes of airplanes--but for which a person
does not need a permit.  We hope we can ammend that, but even if we
can't, I believe the bill moves us in the right direction as many courts
throughout the State have secure areas but do not provide storage.

Please contact committee members today at the legislature: 538-1029 or
tonight at home. I would suggest focusing on those who are at least
nominally pro-gun.  Ask members to ATTEND the hearing AND to support this
bill while opposing all anti-gun amendments, substitutions, or procuderal
tactics that might be used to derail the bill.

If at all possible, please attend the hearing tomorrow morning.  With the
time and schedule, most of us should be able to attend and still get to
work at least close to on time.  Public Parking is on street or in the
northwest parking lot.  For those using I 15, I find 600 North to be a
nicer route than 600 So.

Charles


Committee members:

Rep. Glenn L. Way, Chair         801-798-2295

Rep. James A. Ferrin, Vice Chair   (home) 801-224-6823 (office)
801-224-9867
Rep. Patrice M. Arent
Rep. Chad E. Bennion   (home) 801-281-1607  (office) 801-468-2876 (fax)
801-288-2144
Rep. Ron Bigelow  801-968-4188
Rep. Katherine M. Bryson  801-226-2061
Rep. Greg J. Curtis  (home) 801-943-3091 (office) 801-942-7464
Rep. Scott Daniels
Rep. Ben C. Ferry   (home & office) 435-744-2997 (fax) 435-744-2999
Rep. Neal B. Hendrickson
Rep. Eric Hutchings
Rep. Mike Thompson  (home) 801-226-5032 (office) 801-223-9044
Rep. A. Lamont Tyler Committee
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<DIV>HB 82,  Storage of Concealed Firearms on Facilities with Secure =
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<DIV>The bill is not perfect, in that it does not apply to legally carried=
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<DIV>Please contact committee members today at the legislature: 538-1029 or=
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might be used to derail the bill.</DIV>
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<DIV>If at all possible, please attend the hearing tomorrow morning.  =
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the time and schedule, most of us should be able to attend and still get to=
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<DIV>Charles</DIV>
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<P>Rep. Katherine M. Bryson <!--StartFragment --> <FONT=20
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<P>Rep. Greg J. Curtis <!--StartFragment --> <FONT=20
face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">(home) 801-943-3091 (office)=20
801-942-7464</P></FONT>
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<P>Rep. Eric Hutchings</P>
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:04:40 -0700
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: update on HB 82   Storage of Concealed Firearms on Facilities with Secure Areas (Swallow, J.)

HB 82   Storage of Concealed Firearms on Facilities with Secure Areas
(Swallow, J.)  was heard in the house Judiciary committee this morning.
While turnout from the pro-gun side was sparse, thanks to those who did
turn out.  Thanks also to any and all who made phone calls or otherwise
contacted the committee members ahead of time.

HB 82 was passed out of committee with a favorable recommendation after
it was substituted by the sponsor.  Under the substitute bill, the bill
only affects courts that have secure areas.  Airports and Olympic venues
were excluded.

We had hoped for a minor amendment so that the bill would apply to all
items prohibited inside the secure area (pocketknives, guns, kniting
needles, mace, etc) rather than just concealed firearms carried under a
state issued CCW permit.  However, fiscal concerns in committee prevented
that amendment from being offered.  We hope to see a limited amendment
offered on the floor to have the bill cover all "legally carried weapons"
while still omitting other items.  The hope is to make the requirement to
store items as broad as possible while not increasing the current fiscal
note.

Only two Reps voted against the bill in committee, Daniels and Arent.
However, several were not present.

Please contact your own rep, house leadership, and the house rules
committee and ask them to give this bill their full support.

Charles
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Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 16:51:40 -0700
From: Charles C Hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Dell Computers becomes anti-gun.

I've made no attempts to verify the following, but assuming it is
accurate, it looks like Dell computers are not a good place for gun
owners to spend money.

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>
> Subject: To all of my friends
>
> I am writing this because I feel every Firearms owner should know this
> story.
>
> I placed an order for a Dell notebook computer on February 13 on line
> with Dell. I was given a tentative delivery date of February 21st. I
was
> watching the order through the Dell on line tracking system; I also
> opted for the automatic email notification of when the machine was to
be
> shipped.
>
> Well the 21st came and went, I am a Pistolsmith I know things
> can happen. I made a phone call on the 25th, did a voice mail message
> for my salesman to get back to me and I was looking for the delivery
> date.
>
> The 25th came and went with no callback. On the 26th I placed
> another call this time to cancel the order. After a few hours I got a
> call back, with this amazing reason for the delay. It seems someone in
> Dell had already canceled my order, when I asked why I was told Dell
was
> afraid I was going to use the machine for illegal purposes.
>
> When I askedwhy someone would think that I was told
> it was because of the name of my business "Weigand Combat Handguns
Inc.".
> Because I am involved in firearms I might be doing something illegal.
Now
> keep in mind I was never called or informed of this decision the order
was
> just canceled.
>
> Many of you know me personally and know I run my business about as
> squeaky clean as possible. In addition being the President of the
> American Pistolsmiths Guild I am under additional scrutiny as to how I
> run my business, if I am not clean how can I be the President of an
> organization that promotes just that! I was informed by a Dell
> supervisor not long after all of this the reason I was refused was
> because of their post September 11th policy of screening buyers.
>
> I would like to respectfully ask the firearms community to do the
> following. If you intended to buy a Dell and because of this letter you
> do not, email Dell and let them know why. Feel free to distribute this
> account to all you know in the Firearms community, I think they need to
> know.
>
> I for one am sick and tired of people assuming just because we are
> involved with firearms that we are doing something illegal. I also do
> not believe Dell deserves our business if this is how they intend to
> treat us.
>
> God Bless
> Jack Weigand
> President
> American Pistolsmiths Guild Inc.
>
>
>
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