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utah-firearms-digest    Saturday, February 10 2001    Volume 02 : Number 204




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Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2001 22:39:37 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Committee hearings TUESDAY, Meeting with Legislators, Another VICTORY

Some good news and some more calls to action.

Please note two town meetings being held by legislators and try to attend
one of them.

- ----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
Committee Hearings Tuesday
Meeting with Sen. Stephenson
Meeting with Utah County legislators
Bill updates and a VICTORY


REMINDER!  Please plan to attend the House Law Enforcement and Criminal
Justice Committee hearing Tuesday, 8 AM, Room 225 at the State
Capitol.  The following bills will be discussed:

HB 274 - OLYMPIC VENUE SITES  This bill would ban lawful concealed carry
at
the State Capitol and Salt Lake City-County Bldg. for roughly 3 months
around the Olympics.  It would do nothing to prevent criminals from
carrying firearms in those locations.

See the Feb. 3 alert
http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts?alerts01/020301.html for more details

and a list of legislators to contact.

It is rumored that Rep. Ure is planning to "modify" this bill, or even
kill
it.  But no one ever knows what's really going to happen until it
happens.  It's important to show up to oppose HB 274 and to make sure
legislators know that gun control bills will meet with strong and
organized
opposition.

HB 266 - RESTORATION OF RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS will also be discussed at this

committee.  UTGOA has not yet seen the new version of the bill.
According
to bill sponsor, Rep. Throckmorton, the intent is to provide a way for
persons prohibited from owning firearms to have their rights restored.


MEETINGS WITH LEGISLATORS

UTAH COUNTY
The Utah County Delegation is having a report meeting for all citizens
Thursday night, February 8 from 7-9 p.m. at Lakeridge Junior High-900
South
400 West, Orem.

Rep. Mike Thompson has requested that gun rights supporters attend this
meeting.  As you know, Rep. Thompson is sponsoring two pro-gun bills this

session: firearms safety education in schools and "Vermont" carry which
recognizes the right to carry a concealed firearm without a permit.

It is now up to US to show our appreciation for Rep. Thompson's
willingness
to sponsor pro-gun bills, and to convince our elected officials to vote
for
them.  If you live in Utah County - or even if you don't! - PLEASE plan
to
attend.

SENATOR HOWARD STEPHENSON - Sandy
Sen. Howard Stephenson is having a town meeting Wednesday, Feb. 7 at 7:00

pm in the Sandy City Hall.

Sen. Stephenson is generally friendly towards gun rights.  However, he
had
only a 44% correct voting record last year.  He would undoubtedly benefit

by hearing from constituents who would like him to support all of our
pro-gun bills this year.  He could also use some encouragement to sign on

as co-sponsor for some/all of them.


BILL UPDATES

HB 112 (Prevention of Retaliatory Lawsuits), HB 133 and HJR 10 (Bill of
Rights Day) are on the House third (final) reading calendar.  Please make

sure your Representative knows you expect a YES vote on these bills.
Votes
may be as soon as tomorrow.

VICTORY!  HB 222 (Tax Credit for Safes) was defeated in the House today
by
a vote of 30-42.  Thank you for your assistance in defeating this bill.

SB 87 (Antique Firearms Amendments) passed the Senate Transportation
Committee today.  This bill exempts antique firearms from current gun
control laws.  UTGOA is neutral on this bill.  Please let your Senator
know
how you would like him to vote.

Utah Gun Owners Alliance expects to have bill language on HB 345 (Vermont

carry) and HB 376 (Concealed Carry Reciprocity) in the next few days.  So

far, we are very optimistic about these bills, and appreciate Reps.
Thompson and Donnelson for their willingness to sponsor pro-gun bills.

Remember -  You can get the full text of each bill by going to
www.le.state.ut.us and clicking on bills.  You can also link to each bill

from the UTGOA web site.

Our bill analyses are posted at
http://www.utgoa.org/resources/2001bills.html  Due to the very short and
busy legislative session, our bill status information is sometimes less
current than the official state web site.

Do you know someone who should be on the Utah Gun Owners Alliance phone
tree?  If so, please have them call Utah Gun Owners Alliance at
801-566-1625.

Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
801-566-1625
http://www.utgoa.org
[e-mail]

PLEASE SUPPORT UTAH GUN OWNERS ALLIANCE!  JOIN US TODAY!

Did someone forward this to you?  Please SUBSCRIBE NOW!  That way you'll
receive our FREE alerts as soon as they're released.  During the
legislative session, we send urgent, time limited alerts.  Don't risk
missing important information because someone else neglected to forward
important information.  Our alerts are low volume and average less than
one
alert per day.

To subscribe to the UTGOA list, send a blank email to
[e-mail] or use the form on our web site,
http://www.utgoa.org. For more information, see
http://www.egroups.com/group/UTGOA.

UTGOA is written and distributed by, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc.
www.utgoa.org, and Sarah Thompson, M.D.  All information contained in
these
alerts is the responsibility of the author, unless otherwise attributed.

Permission is granted for distribution of these alerts so long as no
changes are made, UTGOA is clearly credited, and this message is left
intact.

Archives of the UTGOA alerts can be found at:
http://www.utgoa.org/cgi-bin/alerts

Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. is a Utah non-profit corporation.


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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 09:09:50 -0700
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Vermont Carry HB 345

DAve Hansen advises:

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Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 07:47:09 -0700
From: "D. Hansen" <[e-mail]>

Note: I found out last night that Speaker Stephens is attempting to cut
a deal with Representatives Thompson and Donnelson (who are sponsoring
three pro-gun bills--Vermont Carry HB 345, Gun Safety Law Amendments, or
gun safety education in schools HB 264, and Reciprocity or recognition
of CCW permits from all states). The deal is that if Thompson stops
pushing through the Vermont Carry bill, the other two will get support.
The real reason for this is that legislators do not want to have to vote
on Vermont Carry, because it will show their true colors and allow us to
use it against them in coming elections. Please make your feelings known.

Dave

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 16:10:52 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Rep. Swallow Town Meeting

Sorry for the late notice, I just learned of this one.  I do not know if
this will be in the same room as Sen. Stephenson's town meeting or not.
It appears that the main item of focus for Swallow's meeting will be his
Universal Tuition Tax Credit bill.  But, given the leadership that is
slated to be there, it looks like a fine opportunity to bring up gun
issues.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

- -----Begin Forwarded Message----

Rep. John Swallow will be holding a town meeting at Sandy City Hall
tonight (Wednesday) at 7:30.  This meeting offers those in the Sandy area
an opportunity to thank him personally for introducing his tuition tax
credit bill yesterday.

I also offers us an opportunity to communicate our views on this bill
with members of the leadership, because John will be accompanied by Al
Mansell, President of the Senate (who was at the news conference
yesterday) and House Speaker Marty Stevens (who was not).

Those of you who helped make yesterday such a success can follow up with
a show of support for Rep. Swallow tonight.  Those who couldn't make it
to the Capitol during working hours yesterday can make amends by showing
up tonight.
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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:12:09 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Update: Town Meeting in Sandy

It appears that Sen. Stephenson's and Rep. Swallow's town meetings at the
Sandy City Hall this evening have been combined into a single meeting.
House Speaker Stephens and Senate President Mansell are scheduled to be
in attendance as well.

I have no info on the confict on the start time so my suggestion is show
up in time to get good seats should the meeting start at 7:00pm but don't
be too surprised if it doesn't start until 7:30.

Please dress appropriately.  IOW, please avoid T shirts (no matter how
catchy the slogan) and if you really must wear cammo, please make it
"urban cammo" also known as a suit and tie.  :)  Clean jeans and a
collared shirt (pollo or full button down) are very appropriate for the
men.  Let's do our best to make sure our elected officials and the media
don't have any "gun nuts" to photograph tonight but rather have
respectable, tax paying, voting citizens who happen to value their right
to self defense.

Thanks and I hope to see you there.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 22:22:06 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Action: Attend Sen. Comm. Mtg-HB179

Another reminder on the Paycheck Protection Bill Hearing.  This bill
would do much to protect our gun rights.  It has passed the house and is
now in the Senate.  It passed the Senate the last two years so should do
well this year.  Turn out to support it if possible or simply contact the
committee members via phone or email.

Committee members are:

Sen. Dan R. Eastman, Chair (R)                968 Canyon Creast Dr.

Bountiful,Utah 84010

Phone[phone]

[e-mail]

Sen. Curtis S. Bramble (R)                        3663 N. 870 E.
                                                               Provo,
Utah 84604

Phone[phone]

[e-mail]

Sen. Gene Davis (D)                                 865 Parkway Ave
                                                               Salt Lake
City, Utah 84106

Office(801)263-7108

Home(801)484-9428

[e-mail]

Sen. Parley Hellewell  (R)                        492 South 1000 West
                                                               Orem, Utah
84058

Home(801)226-3034

[e-mail]

[e-mail]

Sen. Ed P. Mayne  (D)                            5044 West Bannock Circle
                                                               West
Valley City, Utah 84120

Office(801)972-2771

Home(801)968-7756

Fax[phone]

[e-mail]

Sen. L. Steven Poulton (R)                        4524 Briarcreek Dr.
                                                               Salt Lake
City, Utah 84117

Office(801)484-4477

Home(801)272-4338

Fax[phone]

[e-mail]
- ----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------

Action: Attend the Senate Business, Labor, and Economic Development
Committee Meeting that is scheduled to consider HB179, Payroll
Protection,
Thursday, 4 p.m., Room 403.

Tomorrow's agenda has HB179 seventh and last on the agenda.  I can't
guarantee they'll get to it, but if you can make it to the committee
meeting, it would be great.  I can guarantee the unions will be there in
large numbers, and we need to balance it.  Being later in the day than
most,
I hope more of us working people can get to it.  I'm going to try.

Thanks,
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Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 12:19:17 -0800
From: Joe Waldron <[e-mail]>
Subject: ACLU and guns

The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is trying to find any
pro-RKBA chapters of the ACLU anywhere in the U.S.  SAF and other
gun rights advocacy groups have worked with the ACLU in the past,
but this has generally been on peripheral issues rather than pure
RKBA issues.

SAF has added an ACLU page to its web site at
http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/general/ACLU.htm

If any list members have knowledge of direct pro-RKBA support
provided by any ACLU chapter, or by an officer of any chapter,
please forward the info to Dave LaCourse at
[e-mail]  Please add me as an info addressee
([e-mail]).

TIA
Joe Waldron

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:29:48 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw:ALERT GUN FEE INCREASES

The following is taken from the latest USSC alert.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------

URGENT ACTION ALERT from Utah Shooting Sports Council February 8, 2001
PLEASE PASS THIS ALERT to anyone else who would be interested.

STOP THE SNEAKY GUN FEE INCREASE
In a sneaky move, Rep. Gary Cox is attempting to raise the fees for
renewing
permits to legally carry a concealed weapon for self-defense.  The actual
increase (this time) is relatively small ($10 to $35 for concealed carry
permits, and $10 to $25 for Concealed carry instructors).  However, there
is
a definite trend by people opposed to legal gun ownership and use to try
to
make guns too expensive to own through fees, taxes, litigation and other
schemes.
 This fee increase is being attempted IN VIOLATION OF THE PROCEDURES for
such an increase.
? The Department of Public Safety did not request a fee increase.
? The Legislative Analyst responsible for such proposals did not request
a
fee increase.
? The fee increase has not gone through the public comment process
required
by the Utah Administrative Procedures Act.
? The data used to audit the concealed carry fees has not been made
available for review
 The House Appropriations Committee where this sneak attack took place is
not expected to meet again.
 The proposed increase is subject to review at an Executive
Appropriations
Committee meeting in the next few days.

PLEASE CONTACT THE FOLLOWING LEGISLATORS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
Ask them to delete any firearms related fee increases for the reasons
above:

House Leadership:
Speaker Marty Stephens,  [e-mail]
Rep. Kevin Garn,   [e-mail]
Rep. David Ure,  [e-mail]
Rep. Greg Curtis,  [e-mail]
Rep  Jeff Alexander,  [e-mail]

Senate Leadership:
President Al Mansel,  [e-mail]
Senator Steven Poulton, [e-mail]
Senator John Valentine,  [e-mail]
Senator Peter Knudson,  [e-mail]
Senator Leonard Blackham,  [e-mail]
Senator Bill Hickman, [e-mail]
Senator Chris Buttars. [e-mail]



HIGHWAY LOCATIONS NEEDED
 Help USSC find privately owned highway frontage (approx 800 feet or
more)
along Interstates 15, 70, 80, 84 or 215 or US 6, 89 or 40 so we can put
up
pro-gun "Burma Shave" type signs.  This is a simple, powerful way to
educate
and motivate pro-gun people.  No cost to land owner.  Signs are about 18"
x
96".  If you or a friend own land like this, please contact
[e-mail]


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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:03:49 -0700
From: "larry larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: ACLU and guns

Hahahahah  surly you jest.
larry

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail]
[mailto:[e-mail]]On Behalf Of Joe Waldron
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 1:19 PM
Subject: ACLU and guns


The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) is trying to find any
pro-RKBA chapters of the ACLU anywhere in the U.S.  SAF and other
gun rights advocacy groups have worked with the ACLU in the past,
but this has generally been on peripheral issues rather than pure
RKBA issues.

SAF has added an ACLU page to its web site at
http://www.saf.org/pub/rkba/general/ACLU.htm

If any list members have knowledge of direct pro-RKBA support
provided by any ACLU chapter, or by an officer of any chapter,
please forward the info to Dave LaCourse at
[e-mail]  Please add me as an info addressee
([e-mail]).

TIA
Joe Waldron

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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 10:26:11 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Guns in Movies

Guns in Movies: Where Do We Stand?
By Richard W. Stevens
Editor, The Bill of Rights Sentinel

Movies. America is known worldwide for making movies. By making
some things look "normal" and other things look evil, mysterious
or "un-cool," movies massively influence public opinion.

Fashions in speech, conduct, and dress are suggested by movies.
Many people believe that cigarette smoking surged overwhelmingly
in popularity in the last century because most leading men and
women, and even the supporting players, made smoking seem natural,
easy and normal -- even high class -- in movies.

Few would doubt the power of movies today to sway public views
about fashion, ethics and politics.

Movies for Self-Defense

What do most American movies teach about the right to self-defense?
About the right to keep and bear arms?

In times past, there were countless "western" movies. Although some
of these improperly glorified or tried to justify white men killing
Indians, many others were morality stories of good versus evil.
Frequently in western movies the audience would see self-defense in
action. A lone woman picking up a firearm to defend herself and her
family. An armed boy helping his dad ward off attackers. Stranded
settlers organizing to stand watch -- and fight off -- robbers and
marauders.

Western movies of this sort, however, are dead and gone. Last year's
film about the Revolutionary War, "The Patriot", was criticized for
showing young boys using firearms even for an unquestionably good cause.

Movies Against Guns

Hollywood in the last 30 years has turned 180 degrees against the right
to keep and bear arms. Anti-gun films, however, mostly don't preach "gun
control" openly. As always, movies teach by showing what is "normal",
mysterious and "cool" -- and by showing what is ridiculous, dangerous
and uncool.

In Woody Allen's recent comedy, "Don't Drink the Water", the only gun
in the movie is portrayed as unnecessary, awkward, and inherently
dangerous. Viewers get the message that nutty New Yorkers will play
cowboy and accidentally shoot innocent people in all directions. By
watching the players, the audience learned that guns are terribly
risky and people are too crazy to use them properly.

Last year's "Charlie's Angels" movie played against defensive gun use,
too. The three heroines didn't use firearms at all, and the female
stars pointedly mentioned that fact in publicity interviews.

In many other movies, the only people with firearms are either the
criminals and crazies, or the police and military. "Die Hard". "Con
Air". "Air Force One". Only rarely does a modern film show an average
person, living in the city or suburbs, driving away thugs without
shooting -- which is the most common type of defensive gun use.
Practically never do films show wholesome family recreational shooting.

It's time for a change, so JPFO is taking a hard look at the movie
industry. Maybe we need to expose the heavy anti-gun bias that is woven
into most modern films. Maybe we need to make a pro-self defense movie
of our own.

We Need Movie Critics -- Like You!

If you watch movies at all, then you can help with our project. It's
easy: just tell us about movies since 1970 that you thought were
especially anti-gun or anti-self defense, and in a sentence or two
explain why.

We need this information to help build a strategy to take on Hollywood.
We need the information from actual movie viewers, not from professional
critics. That's why we urgently need your help.

Please, write, fax, or e-mail your suggestions to us:

Guns in Movies
JPFO, Inc.
P.O. Box 270143
Hartford, WI 53027

Fax: [phone]
e-mail: mailto:[e-mail]

After we receive and tally the feedback we get from readers like you,
we will announce our findings and our plan.

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 10:57:19 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: not everyone against PACT is a Scientologist!

While a generic "Dear Legislator" is probably not quite as effective as
an individually addressed email, it is certainly far more effective than
no email at all which might be the alternative for some.  This email
contains most or all of the email addresses to contact to oppose PACT.
They are in a format that is very easy to cut and paste into the address
field.  I do reccommend that if you send a "bulk" email like this that
you head the advice to put the addresses into the blind carbon copy (bcc)
field so that the recipients do not see who else has received the email.

For those using Juno, you get bcc by placing addresses inside
parenthesis, eg. "(email address, email address, email address)", in the
Cc field.  You then only need a single address in the To field.  Also for
those using Juno, there is a limit on the number of addresses you can put
in the cc field so the list below has to be done about 1/2 at a time.
Still, it's only two messages to send rather than 40.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------

Dear Friends,

It appears as if the proponents of PACT (Program for Assertive Community
Treatment are so worried about losing the funding for their pet project
that
they have turned it into a religious issue.

Members of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI) along with
Representative Trish Beck have been going around the Legislature telling
anyone
who will listen that the only reason why PACT is being attacked is
because of
the "Scientologists" and that if it wasn't for the Scientologists
everything
would be just fine!

Talk about trying to discredit the messenger so you won't have to look at
the
message.

Legislators need to know that this is absolutely untrue and that
non-Scientologists oppose this civil rights abomination too. I don't
think that
the Scientologists are the only one who worry about freedom!

Please copy the email addresses in your bcc (blind carbon copy) section
and
send all the legislators a message saying that you oppose PACT and that
regardless of the claims of Trish Beck and NAMI you are not a
Scientologist.
Please make sure that you include your phone number.

PACT is coming up for vote Friday afternoon so this needs to go out fast.

Thank you for setting the record straight!
Sandra

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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 11:38:47 -0700
From: "Scott Bergeson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: UPS Gun Thief will Serve No Time

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:39:10 -0500 Skypod (Melissa)
<[e-mail]> wrote:

UPS Gun Thief will Serve No Time

http://www.msnbc.com/local/WHEC/85936.asp?cp1=1

"No jail time for a former UPS worker who diverted gun shipments to
himself. Airport native Todd Tongue was sentenced Wednesday to 6 months
of home confinement plus 5 years probation on charges he stole gun
shipments while working at the shipping company. Federal prosecutors say
Tongue intercepted gun and ammunition shipments from a wholesale gun
dealer in 1998. He could have faced 10 years behind bars."

my comment: Ya think perhaps he did it FOR them so they could crack-down
on gun shipments?

yours in Liberty,
Melissa (skypod)
http://www.GunControlVictories.com
Keep And Bear Arms ~ Gun Owners Home Page
http://www.KeepAndBearArms.com
GrassRoots Gun Rights, South Carolina
http://www.SCFirearms.org

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Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 13:24:03 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Federal Gun BuyBack Proposed

On Fri, 9 Feb 2001 13:23:32 -0500 Skypod (Melissa)
<[e-mail]> provides:

Federal Gun BuyBack Proposed - H.R.278

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c107:H.R.278:

Senator Patrick Kennedy of Rhode Island has proposed Bill HR278
in Congress, to allocate $15 million per year of your tax money,
for gun buy-back programs, with preferential treatment given to
localities who promise to destroy their collected guns.

GET YOUR REP'S FAX, PHONE & EMAIL:
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/information/capitolwiz

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:18:48 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: [UTGOA] Stop increased CCW fees, Rumors, Bill of Rights Day

A great time to make some phone calls.

- ----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
PLEASE COME VISIT THE UTGOA BOOTH AT THE GUN SHOW THIS WEEKEND!

SNEAKY GUN CONTROL - Call these legislators!

Yesterday Utah Gun Owners Alliance reported that Rep. Gary Cox had pushed
a
huge fee increase for CCW permit renewals and instructor certification
renewals through the Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee.   UTGOA
does not think a 250% increase in fees is justified.

UTGOA is willing to work with BCI, Rep. Cox, and the legislature, should
the audit show that more funding is necessary.  But we feel strongly that

sneaking fee increases into an appropriations bill without input from
BCI,
concealed carry instructors, or gun rights advocates, and without public
comment, is highly inappropriate.  This is especially true since no one
has
had the chance to study the auditor's report carefully.

Please contact members of the Joint Executive Offices, Criminal Justice
and
Legislative Appropriations committee.  We recommend doing this by phone
over the weekend, while legislators are home.  Let them know that 250%
fee
increases are unacceptable and that you would like them to reconsider,
and
to allow for input from gun rights organizations as well as the Bureau of

Criminal Identification.

Also tell them that you would like to attend this meeting and ask them to

schedule it in advance so you can arrange to be there.  We are only
asking
that the committee be fair and give us the opportunity to present our
views, and that it be responsible and justify any proposed fee increases.

Committee members (Buttars and Tyler, Chairs)
Sen. D. Chris Buttars, 801-561-0535, [e-mail]
Rep. A. Lamont Tyler, 801-272-1218, [e-mail]
Rep. Ron Bigelow, 801-968-4188, [e-mail]
Rep. Gary F. Cox, 801-967-9760, [e-mail]
Rep. Scott Daniels, 801-582-8080, [e-mail]
Sen. Peter C. Knudson, 435-723-2035, [e-mail]
Rep. Paul Ray, 801-744-0624, [e-mail]
Sen. Pete Suazo, 801-521-3751, [e-mail]
Rep. Mike Thompson, 801-226-5032, [e-mail]

Remember to call at a reasonable hour, be polite, and always leave a
clear
message if the legislator isn't there.  Make sure you leave your name and

phone number, and ask him to call you back.  Remember to include
guidelines, such as "He can call anytime until midnight".

*************Clip and Send****************

Honorable members of the Joint Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee,

I am writing to ask you to reconsider the Concealed Carry permit and
instructor
renewal fee increases in the Criminal Justice budget, and to oppose this
budget
until the fee increases are removed.

Fee increases of 250% are outrageous!  It's hard to imagine how this
could
ever be justified.  Such huge increases should never be enacted without
careful consideration, analysis and opportunities for public comment.

The Legislative Auditor's report on concealed carry has barely been out a
week.  No one has had time to review it carefully or to check the
Auditor's
data and analysis.  Neither the Bureau of Criminal Identification nor the
public has had the opportunity to be involved in this process.  Why are
you
rushing to enact such an ill-considered plan?

Finally, I am extremely disappointed that my elected officials would try
to
sneak such huge fee increases past me by burying them in an
appropriations
bill.

I would appreciate it if the Committee would reconsider these fee
increases, and delay a decision until the issue can be studied fully.  At

the very least, hold a public hearing so that BCI, gun rights advocates,
concealed carry instructors, and ordinary citizens can participate in
this
decision.

Please respond and let me know what you plan to do.

Thank you.

YOUR NAME
YOUR ADDRESS

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RUMORS

Utah Gun Owners Alliance has received many inquiries about a rumor
circulating that Speaker Marty Stephens and Rep. Mike Thompson were
"cutting a deal" to kill Vermont carry.  This rumor is FALSE.  Both
Stephens and Thompson say they have not talked about gun bills at all.
In
fact, Stephens has committed to making sure our pro-gun bills make it out

of rules and are assigned to an appropriate committee.  And Thompson is
committed to passing HB 345 - Carrying a Firearm.  Utah Gun Owners
Alliance
is working with Rep. Thompson to draft the bill, and we expect to have
bill
text early next week.


BILL OF RIGHTS DAY

Rep. Morgan Philpot's two Bill of Rights Day bills (HB 133 and HJR 10)
will
have their House floor vote on Tuesday, Feb. 13, at 2 PM.  Rep. Philpot
says he has amended HB 133 to include Constitution Day as well, although
the exact text is not yet available.

Rep. Philpot has asked Utah Gun Owners Alliance to extend an invitation
to
all people who care about our Constitution and Bill of Rights to come to
the Capitol to observe the vote.  No public comments are permitted, but
you
will be able to sit in the gallery above the House floor and watch the
proceedings.


PACT UPDATE

PACT is still being discussed by the Joint Health and Human Services
Appropriations Committee.  Your calls and email are definitely having an
effect.  Please keep up the good work!

Also, the correct email address for Rep. Litvack is
[e-mail].  We apologize for the error in our previous
alert.


WE HOPE TO SEE YOU AT THE GUN SHOW THIS WEEKEND!  COME SEND SOME
POSTCARDS
TO YOUR LEGISLATORS!


Enjoy the weekend!  Our pro-gun bills will be up for votes soon and
things
will get extremely busy.  Reps. Thompson and Donnelson need your active
support if they are going to get their bills passed.  Please remember to
check your email regularly and plan to spend some time each day working
to
protect your rights.

We are extremely lucky to have legislators who will run pro-gun bills.
We
need to show them that it's worth their while.  Thanks!

Copyright 2001, Utah Gun Owners Alliance, Inc. and Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 22:17:37 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Phone number correction Fw: [UTGOA] Stop increased CCW fees, Rumors, Bill of Rights Day

The original alert had an incorrect phone number for Rep. Ray.  Please
see below for the corrected number.  Please be aware that at least a
couple members of the committee are really quite hostile to your ability
to carry a weapon for self defense--though they may not say so in that
many words, their tone and actions will leave little doubt in your mind.
However, there are several members who are friendly to and generally
supportive of your rights and ability.  If you receive a negative
response from one or more legislators, do not be surprised nor
discouraged.  Call the other members, ask them to attend this meeting,
oppose this fee increase or to at least support any efforts to schedule a
time for more comment on them.

Remind them that the Legislative Audit upon which Rep. Cox is basing
these huge increases has only been available for a week, that isn't time
for a full review, and no comment nor testimony has been heard from the
public nor pro-gun organizations on these increases.  Also remind them
that while the legislative audit suggested that differences between
income and expendeture levels at BCI be made up via a combination of
general fund appropriation increases and modest fee increases, Rep. Cox's
measure increases ONLY fees forcing gun owners to shoulder the entire
shortfall themselves.

Please remember to be courteous while firmly letting these legislators
know that both the size of the proposed increase AND the process used to
date are not acceptable.

- ----------------
Charles Hardy
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
SNEAKY GUN CONTROL - Call these legislators!

Yesterday Utah Gun Owners Alliance reported that Rep. Gary Cox had pushed
a
huge fee increase for CCW permit renewals and instructor certification
renewals through the Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee.   UTGOA
does not think a 250% increase in fees is justified.

UTGOA is willing to work with BCI, Rep. Cox, and the legislature, should
the audit show that more funding is necessary.  But we feel strongly that

sneaking fee increases into an appropriations bill without input from
BCI,
concealed carry instructors, or gun rights advocates, and without public
comment, is highly inappropriate.  This is especially true since no one
has
had the chance to study the auditor's report carefully.

Please contact members of the Joint Executive Offices, Criminal Justice
and
Legislative Appropriations committee.  We recommend doing this by phone
over the weekend, while legislators are home.  Let them know that 250%
fee
increases are unacceptable and that you would like them to reconsider,
and
to allow for input from gun rights organizations as well as the Bureau of

Criminal Identification.

Also tell them that you would like to attend this meeting and ask them to

schedule it in advance so you can arrange to be there.  We are only
asking
that the committee be fair and give us the opportunity to present our
views, and that it be responsible and justify any proposed fee increases.

Committee members (Buttars and Tyler, Chairs)
Sen. D. Chris Buttars, 801-561-0535, [e-mail]
Rep. A. Lamont Tyler, 801-272-1218, [e-mail]
Rep. Ron Bigelow, 801-968-4188, [e-mail]
Rep. Gary F. Cox, 801-967-9760, [e-mail]
Rep. Scott Daniels, 801-582-8080, [e-mail]
Sen. Peter C. Knudson, 435-723-2035, [e-mail]
Rep. Paul Ray, 801-774-0624, [e-mail]
Sen. Pete Suazo, 801-521-3751, [e-mail]
Rep. Mike Thompson, 801-226-5032, [e-mail]

Remember to call at a reasonable hour, be polite, and always leave a
clear
message if the legislator isn't there.  Make sure you leave your name and

phone number, and ask him to call you back.  Remember to include
guidelines, such as "He can call anytime until midnight".

*************Clip and Send****************

Honorable members of the Joint Criminal Justice Appropriations Committee,

I am writing to ask you to reconsider the Concealed Carry permit and
instructor renewal fee increases in the Criminal Justice budget, and to
oppose this
budget until the fee increases are removed.

Fee increases of 250% are outrageous!  It's hard to imagine how this
could
ever be justified.  Such huge increases should never be enacted without
careful consideration, analysis and opportunities for public comment.

The Legislative Auditor's report on concealed carry has barely been out a
week.  No one has had time to review it carefully or to check the
Auditor's
data and analysis.  Neither the Bureau of Criminal Identification nor the
public has had the opportunity to be involved in this process.  Why are
you
rushing to enact such an ill-considered plan?

Finally, I am extremely disappointed that my elected officials would try
to
sneak such huge fee increases past me by burying them in an
appropriations
bill.

I would appreciate it if the Committee would reconsider these fee
increases, and delay a decision until the issue can be studied fully.  At

the very least, hold a public hearing so that BCI, gun rights advocates,
concealed carry instructors, and ordinary citizens can participate in
this
decision.

Please respond and let me know what you plan to do.

Thank you.

YOUR NAME
YOUR ADDRESS

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