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utah-firearms-digest     Friday, November 3 2000     Volume 02 : Number 198




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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:43:15 -0600
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: GOA Alert--McCain aiding anti-gun initiatives

Your Help Is Needed
  -- Anti-Gun Initiatives Have Nationwide Impact

****** GOA-PVF SPECIAL ALERT ******

Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund E-Mail/Fax Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: [phone] / FAX: [phone]
http://www.gunowners.org

October 26, 2000


Dear Gun Rights Supporter,

Arizona Senator John McCain -- who masquerades as a conservative
patriot, but is really an agent for radical Big Government control
- -- has teamed up with an internet billionaire on behalf of the
anti-gun ballot initiatives in Oregon and Colorado.

Your immediate help is needed for our friends at:

Oregon Firearms Federation (OFF) --
http://www.oregonfirearms.org/store/join_off.html

Rocky Mountain Gun Owners (RMGO) --
http://www.rmgo.org/donate.html

THEIR FIGHT IS YOUR FIGHT!

Several weeks ago, I wrote you to urge your action against gun
control initiatives in Colorado and Oregon, and many of you have
responded.  For that, you have my thanks.

But the situation in both states just got worse: News agencies
report that an internet billionaire has donated $12 million to a new
anti-gun organization and spending it in Colorado and Oregon to pass
the anti-freedom ballot initiatives.  Initial reports said that a
"prominent Republican" would be featured in television ads, urging
the passage of each state's gun control initiatives.

According to GOA members, the advertisement is swamping the airwaves
in both states, featuring U.S. Senator John McCain (R-Arizona)
urging voters to shut down gun shows unless all sales are forced to
undergo a Brady Registration check.

Of course, private sales at gun shows are just the next step in the
banning of ALL PRIVATE SALES AND REGISTRATION OF EVERY GUN OWNER IN
AMERICA.  We'll have to deal with Senator McCain later -- what I
need you to do today is to up the ante in Colorado and Oregon.

We must do everything we can to oppose these anti-freedom
initiatives (even if we cannot defeat them, we must prove gun owners
will put up a vicious fight for our rights EVERY TIME), and the
organizations in those states that are putting up a valiant defense
of your rights once again need your help.

If you were unable to donate when we first brought the battles to
your attention, I urge you to donate to Rocky Mountain Gun Owners
and Oregon Firearms Federation as soon as possible.  Even if you can
only donate $25 to each fight, it could mean the difference.

If you already donated to these worthy causes, I hope you will
consider again joining the fight.

You can donate to either organization online by going to:

Oregon -- http://www.oregonfirearms.org/store/join_off.html
Colorado -- http://www.rmgo.org/donate.html

Or if you wish to send a donation directly, you can mail them at the
following addresses:

Rocky Mountain Gun Owners
PO Box 3114
Denver CO  80201

Oregon Firearms Federation
PO Box 556
Canby OR 97013

Our opponents have escalated this war, and we have to respond.
Please, do all you can.

Sincerely,

Larry Pratt
Gun Owners of America

P.S.  Anti-gun Senator John McCain has now made Oregon and Colorado
the number one battleground for our gun rights, and we need help.
The gun-grabbers are raising money hand-over-fist from liberal
out-of-state organizations and now an internet billionaire.  Our
friends at RMGO and OFF cannot compete without your assistance.

You can download a copy of the radio ads being used to challenge
McCain's gun control agenda.  Go to:

http://www.oregonfirearms.org/measure5/noon5radio.shtml

Your financial support can help to run more of these hardhitting ads
in Oregon and Colorado (under production).

Please donate whatever you can afford -- $25, $50, $75, $100 (there
are no limits) -- to RMGO and/or OFF as soon as possible to help us
fend off this attack on our freedoms.

Use the Clip-n-print coupons below to mail a contribution or to give
through a secure server on the web:

OFF, Oregon -- http://www.oregonfirearms.org/store/join_off.html
RMGO, Colorado -- http://www.rmgo.org/donate.html

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CLIP-N-PRINT REPLY FOR COLORADO:
ROCKY MOUNTAIN GUN OWNERS (RMGO)

Name____________________________________

Address___________________________________

City_____________________________

Zip________________________


Contribution  $25_____  $50_______  $100_____  $250______  $500_____

$1000_____  Other______

Rocky Mountain Gun Owners
PO Box 3114
Denver, CO  80201

Please Make Checks Payable to "RMGO"
OR CONTRIBUTE ON-LINE THROUGH A SECURE SERVER:
http://www.rmgo.org/donate.html

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CLIP-N-PRINT REPLY FOR OREGON:
OREGON FIREARMS FEDERATION-PAC (OFF)

OFF PAC Stop Measure 5 Reply Form

Stop Measure 5.  Stop Gun Owner registration.


Name____________________________________


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City____________________________________


Zip____________________________________


Contribution  $25_____  $50_______ $100_____ $250______ $500_____


$1000_____ Other________


Occupation (required for donations over $50.00)


__________________________________________________



Oregon Firearms Federation
PO Box 556
Canby OR 97013

OR CONTRIBUTE ON THE WEB THROUGH A SECURE SERVER:
http://www.oregonfirearms.org/store/join_off.html

Please Make Checks Payable to "OFFPAC"

*************************************************

Contributions to OFF, RMGO or GOA-PVF are not deductible for Federal
Income Tax purposes.

Authorized and paid for by Gun Owners of America Political Victory
Fund in cooperation with Oregon Firearms Federation Political Action
Committee and Rocky Mountain Gun Owners Political Action Committee.

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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:58:31 -0600
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: NEA Wipes The Mat With American Gun Owners!--real action to take

Here is what one correspont reports doing with the petition.


- ---begin forwarded messsage----

RE: the message,  NEA Wipes Mat With American Gun Owners.  VERY
IMPORTANT!  If you haven't had time to read the whole thing yet, I
recommend that you do so post haste.
    In the message there is a link to download their petition.  You have
to have Adobe Type Reader (?) to print it out.  I printed it out and was
a trifle unhappy with their font choice in bold:  hard to read with any
degree of speed.
    I retyped the petition with a little different font and provided a
little more room where the lines are for signatures.  I will attach my
version (exact same wording) below in both WordPerfect 7.0 and Word For
Windows formats so you can call one or the other up and print it out.
    Here in my area, I have already printed out the main message (4
pages) double sided (2 pages) and then had 200 copies of the petition
itself printed up.  I have already hit the four main gun stores here in
my area.  Tomorrow, I intend to go to the two gun ranges and start
hitting the pawn shops.  Also, this evening I intend to grow across town
to the meeting of the local Gun Club.  In each place, I drop off the
cover message and twenty of the petitions and tell them if they need more
to let me know.
    There is an address at the bottom of the petition where completed
ones are to be send.  I tell each outlet that if they don't want to mail
the signed petitions themselves, to call me and I will pick them up and
do the mailing.  At least that way I know that they will be sent in.
(Also, it gives me a chance to copy them for the names and addresses.)


- --end forwarded message---

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Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:24:59 -0600
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: A new "hate group"

So's Janalee Tobias' Women Against Gun Control, http://www.wagc.com/ .
All this proves is that the Simon Wiesenthal Center is the real
hate group.

Scott

On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:42:33 -0500 Chuck Bridgeland wrote
to LRT Discussions Mailing list <[e-mail]>:

>----- Forwarded message from [e-mail] -----

>Date: 27 Oct 2000 09:40:39 -0000
>From: [e-mail]
>Subject: [concealcarry] Digest Number 717
>To: [e-mail]

>Topics in this digest:

>1. FYI Concealcarry listed as Anti-Government hate group!
>From: "Stephen C. Rainbolt" <[e-mail]>


>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:33:08 -0500
>From: "Stephen C. Rainbolt" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: FYI Concealcarry listed as Anti-Government hate group!

>http://www.wiesenthal.com/d_hate/links_antigov.html

>Click on Chicago Rally for Citizen SafetySupport
><http://www.concealcarry.org/>

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Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:15:53 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Molon Labe!

This was posted to another list with explicit instructions
to pass it along.

********'

Molon Labe!

By George (Star PD)

Two little words. With these two words, the concepts were
verbalized that have lived for nearly two and a half millennia.
They signify and characterize both the heart of the Warrior, and
the indomitable spirit of mankind. From the ancient Greek, they
are the reply of the Spartan General/King Leonidas to Xerxes, the
Persian Emperor who came with 600,000 of the fiercest fighting
troops in the world to Thermopylae, to conquer and invade little
Greece, then the center and birthplace of civilization as we know
it. When Xerxes offered to spare the lives of Leonidas, his 300
personal bodyguard and a handful of Thebans and others who
volunteered to defend their country, if they would lay down their
arms, Leonidas shouted these two words back. Pronounced "moe-lone
lah-veh, accent on the last syllables, they mean "Come and get
them!" They live on today as the most notable quote in military
history.

And so began the classic example of courage and valor in its
dismissal of overwhelming superiority of numbers, wherein the
heart and spirit of brave men overcame insuperable odds. Today,
there lies a plaque dedicated to these heroes all at the site. It
reads: "Go tell the Spartans, travelers passing by, that here,
obedient to their laws we lie."

I have adopted this defiant utterance as my own battle cry in our
war against oppression, because it says so clearly and simply
what we all feel towards anyone who would first disarm us to then
enslave us. It signifies our determination to NOT strike the
first blow, but also to not stand mute and allow our loved ones,
and all that we believe in and stand for, to be trampled by men
who would deprive us of our God-given, or natural if you will,
rights to suit their own ends. In us, they will find no sheep,
willing to be led to slaughter, terrified by force of numbers.
Rather, they will meet hearts of steel, hearts which intend no
evil, but will brook none either.

I am moved to, and led to this after participating in message
boards and in E-mail groups scattered throughout the Internet,
and which many of us are familiar with. In considering the many
posts pro and con, I am most concerned by the pronouncements of
those who claim to be with us, and part of us, but then preach
defeatism, accommodation, apology, negotiation, and worst of all,
fear of offending those who are in the middle, having no position
of their own. These "Chamberlains" apparently fail to recognize
that in failing to stand up for right, and speak out in defense
of our positions, they convey weakness and lack of conviction.
Even defending our position is not enough, in this battle for
freedom that we wage, now with words, perhaps later in mortal
combat.

We, those of us who believe in our cause, MUST go on the
offensive. Reacting, denying, and answering alone are not enough.
We must go after the lying wannabe dictators, and show them for
the insidious snakes they are, and expose their lies,
distortions, half-truths, distractions and other propaganda
maneuvers they use to disorient and divide us.

When those of us who speak out calling for "reason", pointing out
that we cannot resist Apache Longbows, M-1 Abrams, Bradleys, and
the other weapons of mass destruction that CAN be turned against
us, yes, us who bought and paid for this equipment intended for
our defense, and not our subjugation, they spread cowardice and
uncertainty among us. And those who fall for these arguments, are
their lawful prey. But those of us who will not be cowed by
threat of force, superior numbers or superior equipment, will in
the end prevail. This because we stand for right, and good, and
will not surrender to either fear or despair. Ironically,
standing up and speaking out has so far prevented the cowards who
would use this force against us from doing so, simply because
they know we can and WILL fight back, if need be. Only when they
are confident that they can win without suffering loss themselves
will they resort to using force against us. Of course, we all
know that the continual cries for "gun control" lies at the heart
of such a strategy. This then, is the reason why we not only
cannot accept any more political defeats, but must roll back the
unconstitutional, thus illegal, so-called "laws" passed in
contravention of our Constitution, all the way back to and
including the 1934 NFA.

So when in discussions with others about defending the
Constitution against threat from without or within, remember that
victory comes from the heart, not from the hand, and that those
who refuse to surrender will never be defeated. When Jesus said:
"Greater love hath no man, that he lay down his life for his
friend", He was speaking to ALL men of good heart. And when He
said: "Go, sell all that you have, and buy a sword", he was
speaking to those who others depend on for their protection. And
finally, when He said: "What profit a man if he gains the whole
world, and loses his soul", He meant too that besides the
foolishness of selling one's soul for worldly things, luxury,
security, safety and pleasures are not worth the freedom one must
sacrifice for them.

As we face the uncertainty that we now endure, and of which even
more lies before us, these are things to ponder. In deciding how
we will, and must act, we must determine what position we will
take, and then stand by them, no matter the cost.

A good number of my friends from groups and mailing lists that I
belong to have also adopted Leonidas' two words as their own, and
I heartily endorse the patriotism, dedication, and determination
that they signify with these two simple words.

"Molon labe!"

And now, I offer for your consideration another important issue.
Guns alone will not secure your safety, security and freedom. To
be sure, without them, you will find it difficult trying to play
Jackie Chan in efforts to defend yourselves. But don't delude
yourselves, my friends. Regardless of how good you think you are,
you need a lot more than weapons and determination to succeed in
providing security for your families and neighborhoods.

You NEED professional training to be able to properly utilize
whatever you have. As Patton said, dying for your country won't
cut it. The point is to make the other guy die for his country.
There are a number of excellent training courses available that
can teach you everything you need to know about proper use of
weapons and tactics for survival in the event of massive civil
unrest. There are courses ranging from "Urban Carbine", through
"Tactical shotgun" to "Practical Pistol".

Failing to take advantage of them is shortsighted, and for those
who "can't afford it", false economy. You cannot afford to NOT
take some of these courses. Of course, the more the better, but
at least check them out, and take the ones that would apply to
your circumstances most closely first.

Don't overlook other important aspects of self-defense either.
Things like having enough ammunition and magazines, as well as
appropriate weapons are pretty well expected, but even besides
having them, and learning how to use them, there are other
aspects to consider that may well stand you in good stead.

The most important of these is to have a plan, and not just one.
Analyze your personal situation, and lay out a comprehensive plan
that takes all circumstances into consideration. Then, knowing
Mr. Murphy's nasty little habits, make a "plan B", and even "plan
C", and "plan D". Too many plans is like too much ammo, sex or
money; "too much is almost enough".

Then, be sure besides supplies, consider the other things that
can give you an edge. Night Vision devices, thermal scanners,
"Bionic Ears", and one overlooked item, electronic amplifying
earmuffs that block off gunfire noises. If you have to shoot
inside, losing your hearing from gunfire will put you at a
disadvantage you don't even want to think about.

Then, don't allow yourself to be caught unprepared. If you have a
garage, keep a minimum quantity of equipment in supplies stacked
next to the trunk or rear of your vehicle for quick loading
without hesitation or time loss. BACK your vehicle in - to allow
quick exit. And keep your fuel tank full at all times. If TSHTF,
you won't have time to be looking for a gas station that probably
won't have or be able to pump gas for you then. ALWAYS keep
blankets, a compass and maps, a folding shovel, a comprehensive
First Aid kit, and water in your car. It's just good practice for
ANY eventuality.

As I write more columns, the Good Lord willing, I'll try to
present other ideas and plans you may find useful for any
eventuality, including civil disturbance and other natural
catastrophes.

Remember.

"Molon labe!"

George

StarPD

[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:20:27 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: refresher are we free? do we have rights?

While I take some issue with item (v) since I think many (most?) current
gun laws are unconstitutional and deserving of immediate repeal/being
overturned, this is, on the whole, a fine list of one liners.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------

Quick Refresher Course

a.  An armed man is a citizen.  An unarmed man is a subject.

b.  A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

c.  Colt: The original point and click interface.

d.  Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

e.  If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

f.  If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.

g.  Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

h.  If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

i.  Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

j.  The United States Constitution (c) 1791.  All Rights Reserved.

k.  What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand.

l.  999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday.

m.  Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians.

n.  Know guns, Know peace and safety.  No guns, no peace nor safety.

o.  You don't shoot to kill; You shoot to stay alive.

p.  911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer.

q.  Assault is a behavior, not a device.

r.  Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.

s.  If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.

t.  Only a government that is afraid of its citizens try to control them.

u.  You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

v.  Enforce the "gun control laws" in place, don't make more.

w.  When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

x.  The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control.

y.  "....a government by the people, for the people....."

z.  PLEASE PASS THIS 'REFRESHER' TO -10- FREE CITIZENS.

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:23:01 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw:  LP RELEASE: Guns vs. Football

This Press Release from the national Libertarian Party makes some good
points about the real danger of "guns in schools" vs the dangers of
universally accepted and sponsored activities.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
When football is outlawed only outlaws . . . :-)
- -----------------------------------------------

Fatality fumble: Football kills as
many students as school shootings

WASHINGTON, DC -- High school football killed as many students last year
as
did guns -- which means politicians should either stop using school
shootings as an excuse to attack the Second Amendment or start passing
"football control" laws, the Libertarian Party said today.

"According to the latest statistics, a football is as deadly as a gun,"
said
Steve Dasbach, the party's national director. "So why do first downs
continue to be exalted while the Second Amendment continues to be
vilified?"

A new study from the National School Safety Center (NSSC) reported that
there were 15 "school-associated deaths" caused by violent crime --
including guns -- during the 1999-2000 school year.

That number is unchanged from the 1998-1999 school year, when 15 students
were killed by guns, according to the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention.

There have been zero student gun deaths so far during this school year.

By comparison, 15 high school football players died during regular season
and playoff games in 1999, according to the National Federation of State
High School Associations.

Another 11 athletes have died in high school games and practices since
late
August of this year -- and that number is expected to rise during
playoffs.
In addition, another 29 players this year have suffered "catastrophic
injuries" on the field, leaving them paralyzed or seriously disabled.

These numbers have Libertarians wondering: Given the carnage on our
nation's
high school football fields, why the outcry about guns -- and the utter
silence about football fatalities?

"When 15 students are tragically killed by guns during a school year,
every
politician and anti-gun lobbying group expresses practiced outrage, and
immediately demands new laws that infringe on the Second Amendment," said
Dasbach. "But when 15 students are tragically killed by football, the
silence is deafening.

"If the preventable death of any young person is a tragedy -- and it is
- --
then why wasn't there a Million Mom March demanding an end to high school
football? Why no calls from Bill Clinton for 'reasonable' football
control
laws? Why no saturation media coverage as dead football players are
carried
off the field in stretchers? Why no class-action lawsuits against
Spaulding
for manufacturing cheap Saturday Night Special footballs?

"Could it be that politicians get more yardage attacking guns than
attacking
football?"

This "outrage gap" is especially puzzling, said Dasbach, because the
Constitution doesn't guarantee an explicit right to "keep and bear"
footballs.

"Football is nothing more than entertainment and sport. Guns are a
Constitutionally protected civil right," he said. "While every new
gun-control law triggers a fight about the scope of the Second Amendment,
football has no such protection.

"If he wanted to, President Clinton could lobby for an absolute ban on
high
school football, in order to save the lives of 15 young people every
year.
The fact that he doesn't, and the fact that groups like Handgun Control,
Inc. don't demand such legislation, reveals that their real motive is not
to
save lives, but to advance an anti-gun political agenda."

Of course, Libertarians wouldn't support a ban on football any more than
they support a ban on guns, said Dasbach.

"Protecting the lives of young people who play high school football is
the
job of parents, school officials, and coaches, not politicians," he said.
"And protecting the Second Amendment is the job of every American, since
so
many politicians have fumbled their duty to defend the fundamental human
rights -- including the right to keep and bear arms -- guaranteed in the
Constitution."

#       #       #

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Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:12:26 -0700 (Mountain Standard Time)
From: Karl Pearson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Thought: Gun control and Paul Harvey

First, some History....

Sarah Brady, the president, and spokesperson, for Handgun Control, Inc.,
an ardent supporter of removing all firearms, stated: "For us to realize
our goal of a Socialist America, we MUST DISARM THE CITIZENS."

Are you considering backing gun control laws? Do you think that because
you may not own a gun, the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment don't
matter?

CONSIDER:

In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953,
approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were
rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million
Jews, gypsies, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend
themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000
Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
"educated" people (doctors, lawyers, professors, scientists, business
owners, . . .), unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at
approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from
the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun
control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.

It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to
surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the
government more than $500 million dollars.

The results Australia wide: Homicides are up 3.2%. Assaults are up 8%.
Armed robberies are up 44%. In that countries' state of Victoria,
homicides with firearms are up 300%. Over the previous 25 years, figures
show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians claim
to be at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been
observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully
expended in "ridding society of guns."

It's time to state it plainly; Guns in the hands of honest citizens save
lives and property and, yes, gun control laws only affect the law-abiding
citizens. Take action before it's too late, write or call your
representatives.

OPINION: Paul Harvey's comment on Columbine High shootings:

How can we blame it all on guns?

For the life of me, I can't understand what could have gone wrong in
Littleton, CO. If only the parents had kept their children away from the
guns, we wouldn't have had such a tragedy. Yeah, it must have been the
guns.

It couldn't have been because half our children are being raised in broken
homes. It couldn't have been because our children get to spend an average
of 30 seconds in meaningful conversation with their parents each day.
After all, we give our children quality time. It couldn't have been
because we treat our children as pets and our pets as children. It
couldn't have been because we place our children in day care centers where
they learn their socialization skills among their peers under the law of
the jungle while employees who have no vested interest in the children
look on and make sure that no blood is spilled.

It couldn't have been because we allow our children to watch, on the
average, seven hours of television a day filled with the glorification of
sex and violence that isn't fit for adult consumption. It couldn't have
been because we allow our children to enter into virtual worlds in which,
to win the game, one must kill as many opponents as possible in the most
sadistic way possible. It couldn't have been because we have sterilized
and contracepted our families down to sizes so small that the children we
do have are so spoiled with material things that they come to equate the
receiving of the material with love.

It couldn't have been because our children, who historically have been
seen as a blessing from God, are now being viewed as either a mistake
created when contraception fails or inconveniences that parents try to
raise in their spare time. It couldn't have been because we give two-year
prison sentences to teenagers who kill their newborns.

It couldn't have been because our school systems teach the children that
they are nothing but glorified apes who have evolutionized out of some
primordial soup of mud by teaching evolution as fact and by handing out
condoms as if they were candy.

It couldn't have been because we teach our children that there are no laws
of morality that transcend us, that everything is relative and that
actions don't have consequences. What the heck, the President gets away
with it.

Nah, it must have been the guns.

Paul Harvey


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Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:25:02 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Not all reporters are bad

Hunter provides:

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Subject: Not all reporters are bad
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 06:58:40 -0500
From: [e-mail]
To: "LRT Discussions Mailing list" <[e-mail]>

None of my comments made the cut, but my Taurus .357 did. <laugh> Guess its
more audiogenic than I am.

http://www.nhpr.org/audio/2000/10-31d-00.ram

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Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:35:27 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: General Election

Just a reminder that the General election is less than a week away.  This
Saturday/Sunday is the final weekend before the election.  PLEASE make
sure to vote.

If you have any reason to think you might be away from your voting
precinct or otherwise unable to vote this coming Tuesday, please take a
trip down to your county clerk's office and cast an absentee ballot today
or Friday.

If you have any good pro-self-defense pro-RKBA candidate running in your
area--whether it be federal, Statewide, local legislative or Senate
races, county-wide races, etc--please think about what you can do to help
that candidate win--or at least do well enough that pro-RKBA candidates
will be willing to run in the future.

A typical voting precinct has about 250 homes in it.  In my suburban
neighborhood, my wife and I have found that the two of us can pretty well
cover that many homes, leaving flyers on door steps, with just a few
hours effort.  We'll be going through our precinct on Saturday to leave
flyers for the candidates/issues we support.

Calling friends and neighbors you know or believe to be friendly to RKBA
and encouraging them to get out and vote can help remind and motivate
good people to take the few mintues to vote.

If possible, consider volunteering to be a poll watcher on
Tuesday--contact the local/county/State offices of your political party
to find out how to do this.  If you know your neighbors well enough to
know how they are likely to vote, a poll watcher with a cell phone and
someone else at home willing to help can make a HUGE difference in the
election.  Poll watchers have access to who has and has not voted yet.
Throughout the day, simply make note of those neighbors likely to support
good candidates who have not yet voted, call home on the cell phone (many
polling places also have pay phones available but check before counting
on one being there) and give those names to whomever is helping you.
That person then phones those people and reminds them to get to the
polls.  Of course, there is no need to remind those hostile to your
rights to vote.

Or, you may consider volunteering to babysit for someone else in your
area who is more able to be a poll watcher.

Offer to babysit for an hour while pro-RKBA neighbors go to the polls.

Provide transportation to the polls for pro-RKBA neighbors or family
members who may have trouble or hesitancies driving themselves.

Contact candidates and finally get that last minute yard sign put up.  So
many people go to the polls uniformed that seeing a sign in a trusted
neighbor's yard may be what tips the scales in how they vote.

Consider making a contribution to a pro-RKBA candidate.  Especially if
they've fought the good fight in an unfriendly district and have not won,
a little financial help can mean the difference between them or other
pro-RKBA candidates being willing/able to run in the future.  And even if
they don't win, pro-RKBA candidates can make a difference.  A fence
sitting--or even anti-gun--incumbant will be a little less likely to take
a vocal lead in damaging our rights if he has to mount real and serious
campaigns than if he simply wins re-election without any effort.

None of us can do everything and some can do more than others.  But we
can all do something.  Do what you can do even if it is just getting
yourself and one other pro-RKBA voter to the polls.


==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:32:36 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: UTGOA Alert.

The latest from UTGOA:


==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>


 My Groups | UTGOA Main Page


AOL follow-up
Guns in the news
Davis endorses Orton
Hostettler victory
Candidate ratings


AOL follow-up

Since UTGOA last told you about the three AOL employees who were fired
for having guns in the parking lot, we've gotten a LOT of mail.  Please
be patient- your mail will be answered!  Thanks to all of you who wrote!

One correspondent who asked to remain anonymous, has offered to hire or
help find jobs for the affected employees, one of whom is still
unemployed.  Thank you, kind sir!  We need more people like you!

Mitch Vilos, attorney for the employees, will be on Jim Dexter's "Radio
Liberty" tomorrow (Friday) between 11 AM and 1 PM.  (UTGOA does not know
exactly what time Mitch will be on the air.)  The program is on KTKK, 630
AM.


Guns in the News (thanks to our friends at GOUtah! and US-DIN!)

æARMED IN PUBLICÆ SEGMENT TO BE BROADCAST ON 10:00 NEWS
THURSDAY NIGHT, NOV 2 ON CHANNEL 4-KTVX-TV

On Thursday, 2 November KTVX News will air a segment
entitled æArmed in Public.Æ Interested parties are
encouraged to watch.

Note from UTGOA: We also encourage you to respond to KTVX.  Let them know
how good (or bad) their reporting is!  [e-mail]


Glen Davis Endorses Bill Orton!

Because we know that many Utah gun owners supported Glen Davis in his
quest to replace anti-gun Governor Mike Leavitt, we thought you'd be
interested in the following...

On October 30, Glen Davis announced that he is endorsing Bill Orton,
Democrat candidate for Governor.  In his press release, Davis wrote:

"In an effort to unify the Republican party, while at the same time
upholding Republican principles, I have made a good faith effort to
support Governor Leavitt by offering him a conditional endorsement, and
endorsement founded in Republican principles.  Governor Leavitt's
response?  Ignore the facts, stay the course, I will not budge!  He
reasons that committing to specific pledges 'would not look good'.

"Having met with Bill Orton, and having discussed in detail issues and
principles that Republicans stand for, I am convinced that Bill Orton is
more honest, more open-minded, more objective, and more principled than
Mike Leavitt.

"On November 7th, I, Glen Davis, will be voting for Bill Orton for
governor.  I am confident that tens of thousands of enlightened
Republicans throughout Utah will be doing the same."

Orton's candidate survey responses are available at
http://www.utgoa.org/pages/candsurvey.html.  Leavitt did not respond.
Davis scored 100%.


Hostettler Victory (thanks to our friends at GOA)

Hostettler's "Gun Owner Protection Act" Becomes Law!
  -- Get GOA's Voter Scorecard to check on your local races

Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: [phone] / FAX: [phone]
http://www.gunowners.org


ELECTION ALERT:  Go to http://www.gunowners.org/votetb.htm on the
GOA website to check out your Representative and Senators' grades.
Check http://www.gunowners.org/cgv.htm to see how they voted.

(Thursday, November 2, 2000) -- Great news!  Representative John
Hostettler (R) this week secured a tremendous victory for gun owners
when his "gun owner protection act" was signed into law.

The need for this legislation began earlier this year, when
President Clinton imposed a vast array of new gun restrictions upon
gun owners -- restrictions that came about as part of the horrendous
deal he cut with gun maker, Smith & Wesson.

Thankfully, Hostettler responded to this sell-out by crafting
legislation to protect your rights.  He worked hard to get it passed
into law.  On Monday, Hostettler's "gun owner protection act" became
law.

Clinton wanted the sell-out deal with Smith & Wesson to become a
model for other gun makers.  He was hoping that other manufacturers
would "voluntarily" agree to impose further restrictions upon decent
people like yourself.  Clinton wanted to bypass the Congress and use
private industry to tighten the noose around the necks of gun
owners.

But something happened on the way to the gallows.  John Hostettler
forced his legislation through the Congress and by the President.
His legislation (attached to the Defense Authorization bill,
H.R. 4205) will prevent the DoD from rewarding S&W with fat
government contracts when they buy their service weapons.  Thus, the
major incentive for other gun makers to join S&W is now gone.  And
the chances that President Clinton can get other gun dealers to
impose restrictions upon folks like yourself are virtually gone.

All of this thanks to Rep. John Hostettler.   He has, almost
single-handedly, quashed the President's plans to bypass Congress
and impose draconian curbs upon our gun rights.  Gun owners should
thank Rep. Hostettler for his tireless defense of the 2nd Amendment.


Pro-gun Voter Guide Rating Now Online! (Thanks to GOA)

Remember! UTGOA does NOT endorse candidates.  This information is from
Gun Owners of America, and provided as a courtesy to UTGOA's subscribers.


Now you can get behind the rhetoric your Representative and Senators
are dishing out and hold their feet to the fire.

When you go to http://www.gunowners.org/votetb.htm on the GOA
website, you will find a Congressional rating that doesn't look at
what they say.  It analyzes what they've done.

This rating is a valuable tool.  Please use it.  If your
representative or senator has anything less than an "A," look for
his or her bad votes.  (You can find their votes at
http://www.gunowners.org/cgv.htm on the GOA site.)

We need to hold incumbents accountable for their voting record.

That is why in this rating GOA has included not only each
Congressman's grade, but also his or her record on just some of the
key votes relating to your Second Amendment rights.

And then there are the challengers.

GOA has asked the tough questions of challengers to formulate this
rating.  We have also looked at their records while holding lower
office (if applicable).

So please, study this rating.  Make copies of it and hand it out.

And don't forget to vote on Election Day --

Tuesday, November 7, 2000.

FOR UTAH CANDIDATES, see http://www.utgoa.org  Check both the legislative
record (what they've done!) and the candidate survey (what they say!).

REMEMBER TO VOTE NOVEMBER 7!




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