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- utah-firearms-digest Saturday, September 9 2000 Volume 02 : Number 195
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- Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 11:54:45 -0600
- From: Scott Bergeson <shbergeson@uswest.net>
- Subject: FW: A judge's Pro-Second Web site
-
- - -----
- I am a Judge, and I am on YOUR side in your fight to protect
- our Constitution and our freedoms. I am not running for office,
- selling anything, or asking for anything except your quick
- look at my new web-site with the hope that you will help me
- promote it. I am trying to use my background to influence
- and persuade people to support and defend the 2nd Amendment,
- as well as the rest of our Constitution. I have been told by
- many people that my site has the potential to be one of the
- best and most effective tools in our political struggle.
- Please look at it, and help in anyway that you can:
- http://www.velek.com/gun
-
- I am not using any bulk e-mail programs, but rather I have
- visited web-sites with similar philosophies to my own,
- primarily through a search for 2nd Amendment sites, and I
- then manually copied your addresses for this mail. I
- therefore hope that you are not offended by this or consider
- this as just 'spam'; in any event, this is just a single
- mailing, and with the exception of a possible announcement
- of another major development, I will not be sending you more
- mail so you needn't worry that I will be harassing you.
-
- I hope that you will agree that I have acted in a reasonable,
- responsible way, and if you are annoyed or offended by it,
- then I apologize; I assure you now that I will not be sending
- out repeated mailings nor will your address be given to anyone
- else.
-
- Thank you.
-
- Bill Velek
- PLEASE recommend my web-site to one pro-gun person today.
- If you're Pro-Gun: http://www.velek.com/gun
- If you're Anti-Gun: http://www.velek.com/bill/boycott
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 14:00:10 -0600
- From: Scott Bergeson <shbergeson@uswest.net>
- Subject: The Gun Culture
-
- http://www.FreeRepublic.com/forum/a398c590448da.htm
-
- Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual
- posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or
- its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright
- law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.
-
- The Gun Culture
-
- Culture/Society Opinion (Published) Keywords: GUNS, CULTURE
- Source: Yuma Arizona Prospector
- Published: 2 July, 2000 Author: Dean Weingarten
- Posted on 08/05/2000 11:12:20 PDT by marktwain
-
- The Gun Culture is an essential part of America. About half of American
- homes have guns, and the United States has more guns per person than
- most countries, with the possible exception of Switzerland. Members of
- the gun culture are better educated, more prosperous, and have lower
- levels of crime than those who have not integrated into the Gun Culture,
- or who have been intimidated from joining the Gun Culture by the incessant
- attacks against it in the old media and various legislatures. Children
- who are members of the Gun Culture have less problems, and commit less
- crime, than those who are outside of the Culture.
-
- The Gun Culture is noted for a strong belief in individual rights, the
- necessity to limit goverment, individual responsibility, ethics, and
- integrity. Ask around gun shops and shooting clubs. You will find that
- bad checks are virtually unknown. I have had none.. zero... for the
- hundreds of students who have gone throught the Isher Enterprises
- course. Interestingly, there are almost no representatives of the Gun
- Culture in the old media. It appears that members of the Gun Culture
- are forced out of the old media early in their careers by a form of
- cultural discrimination. I personally had a close friend that this
- happened to. In the Gun Culture, reality matters. Image is of only
- marginal importance. "I thought it was unloaded" is no excuse. In the
- old media, image is everything. Reality is of only marginal importance.
- Truth is what you can convince enough people to believe. Individuals
- do not matter, except as they can be used to manipulate groups. The
- Gun Culture used to be the dominant culture in the United States.
- While it still has more members than other cultures in the U.S.,
- it has lost its dominant position to the old media.
-
- The Gun Culture opens its arms to all who wish to join. In America,
- Switzerland, Israel, and some Scandinavian and South American countries,
- anyone can become a member of the Gun Culture. In most countries of the
- world, the Gun Culture is the exclusive province of the ruling elites.
- Shooters will find that they have an invitation into these elites as
- they show their knowledge and interests in social circles around the
- rest of the world. A person with knowledge of personal arms is assumed
- to be in the elite, just as knowledge of arms separated the feudal
- nobility from the peasants. Perhaps Machiavelli said it best in "The
- Prince" "There can be no proper relation between one who is armed and
- one who is not; nor is it reasonable to expect that one who is armed
- will obey one who is not, or that the latter will feel secure amoung
- servants who are armed." In the United States, this was to be avoided
- by recognizing the right of all to keep and bear arms. As Patrich Henry
- said, "The great object is that every man be armed... Everyone who is
- able may have a gun."
-
- I am a proud member of the Gun Culture. It is the representation
- and defender of all that is best in America.
-
- Dean Weingarten has been teaching fiream techniques and safety for more
- than 25 years. He has been both a peace officer and a military officer.
- He is the current lead instructor for Isher Enterprises, which offers
- the course necessary to obtain a concealed weapons permit in Arizona.
- He is certified by the State of Arizona, the State of Louisiana, and
- the National Rifle Association.
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 20:11:21 -0600
- From: Scott Bergeson <shbergeson@uswest.net>
- Subject: Burst the Registration Bubble
-
- Date: 8/9/2000 3:13:00 AM
- Written By: Russ Howard
-
- Bursting the Registration Bubble
-
- http://keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=414
-
- by Russ Howard
- Russ.Howard@USA.net
- Former NRA Director
-
- Hate to burst the bubble, folks, but let's face it:
-
- We already have registration, and NRA management supports it. The Clinton
- plan, by making registration official, extending it, and actually calling
- it registration, serves to conceal the fact that we already have it.
-
- We already have gun registration under the Gun Control Act of 1968,
- supported by Charlton Heston & NRA management. Under GCA68, dealers who
- go out of business must turn over their lists to the government.
-
- GCA68 created a dangerous system of registration lists kept locally across
- the nation. The government knows the location of each of these lists, and
- they know who's responsible for them. Once the government decides to do so,
- it can simply go to the gun stores and confiscate or copy the lists, which
- to some extent it has already been doing. Who will stop them? Who will
- punish them? Sed quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
-
- We have registration through NRA management's InstaCheck program. Is it
- really likely that the people who murdered Vicky & Sammy Weaver and 24
- children at Waco and then covered up the evidence, who not only were never
- punished for it but arranged to give each other national standing ovations,
- who work for a government that practices a religion of secrecy, lies,
- oathbreaking, lawbreaking, and invasion of privacy - is it really likely
- that they're afraid to keep some stinking records? Get real. A prudent man
- must assume they're keeping the records already.
-
- NRA management refused to consider viable alternatives to InstaCheck whereby
- dealers could check backgrounds without the government knowing who's buying
- a gun, even after its Board of Directors - that great model of decisiveness,
- strength, intelligence, independence, and voluntarism - asked it to.
-
- We have registration through NRA management's "Shall Issue" concealed carry
- programs.
-
- NRA management has fought to quarantine Vermont carry in Vermont. Vermont
- carry does not involve registration. NRA management refuses to back, and
- threatens to punish, legislators who introduce or support Vermont carry in
- other states.
-
- Is this "great struggle" against registration yet another grand Beltway
- Kabuki, a good cop/bad cop play acted out on a national scale, choreographed
- to wow and pacify natives who've been stuck in NRA management's version of
- Plato's Cave for so long they've lost the ability to distinguish the play,
- in which they all have a part, from reality? What better way to help us
- avoid facing the painful truth that we already have registration, which our
- "leaders" signed off on, than to stage an epic battle where we "fight" and
- "kill" registration?
-
- We now have an NRA management that holds joint press conferences with Jim &
- Sarah Brady to introduce laws promoting "zero tolerance full enforcement of
- existing gun controls", an NRA management that proudly promotes Soviet style
- snitch-on-your-neighbor billboards proclaiming "Report Illegal Guns. Call
- 1-800...", an NRA management that openly supports a law that provides for
- 10-year prison sentences for teachers who carry concealed to defend
- themselves and their students.
-
- Meanwhile, NRA members continue to send money. Be sure to send yours so
- LaPierre, Beltway & Co. can keep their $20,000-a-month salaries, $15,000-
- a-month "expense" accounts, and who-knows-what other perks; so they can
- keep flushing your money over to anti-gun politicians and sweetheart
- vendors. In fact, it's time the "Winning" Team got another raise, don't
- you think? They sure do.
-
- Registration is Dead!
-
- Long Live Registration!
-
- Russ Howard
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:58:06 -0700
- From: Joe Waldron <jwaldron@halcyon.com>
- Subject: HULL AND LEAVITT SUPPORT GUN GRABBERS
-
- I'll feel a lot safer visiting Arizona and Utah after reading the
- following press release. You can read the entire release at
-
- http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/000811/az_safe_st.html
-
-
- Joe W
-
-
-
- Friday August 11, 6:00 am Eastern Time
-
- Press Release
-
- SOURCE: Safe Schools, Safe Students
-
- Victoria Reggie Kennedy: 'Remember: The Child You Save May Be
- Your Own.' Endorsing Safe Schools, Safe Students and Their
- Proactive Child Safety Campaign - Safe Communities = Safe Schools
-
- PRESCOTT, Ariz., Aug. 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Safe Schools, Safe
- Students is proud to announce its partnerships with some of the
- leading child advocacy groups in the United States. Safe Schools,
- Safe Students, organizer and coordinator of Safe Communities =
- Safe Schools = Safe Students week is working diligently to
- provide community/family based solutions to today's violent youth
- problems.
-
- Victoria Reggie Kennedy, President of Common Sense about Kids and
- Guns and wife of the Honorable Senator Edward Kennedy (D) Ma.
- stated earlier today: ``Common Sense and the unprecedented,
- diverse coalition of organizations endorsing the message of
- safety and responsibility have joined together with Safe Schools,
- Safe Students because of one overreaching principle: the safety
- and protection of our children is paramount. Safe Schools, Safe
- Students and their Safe Communities = Safe Schools Awareness
- campaign are united in our belief that we can best protect our
- children by addressing the issue of child
- safety in a responsible and inclusive way. We are proud to
- endorse their campaign. Remember: the child you save may be your
- own.''
-
- <<<snip>>>
-
- Additional quotes and endorsements include:
-
- ``Safe Schools, Safe Students is an excellent illustration and
- nationwide model of how Arizona's citizens can work together to
- help better the lives of the children in our state. You have done
- a wonderful job.'' Jane Dee Hull, Governor, State of Arizona.
-
- (several other AZ legislators were also quoted)
-
-
- ``I appreciate and applaud Safe Schools, Safe Students
- willingness to help make our communities and children's lives a
- little
- safer.'' Michael O. Leavitt, Governor, State of Utah.
-
- SOURCE: Safe Schools, Safe Students
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:48:28 -0600
- From: "Karl Pearson" <karlp@colubs.com>
- Subject: FW: Safe Schools = Safe Students...
-
- Here's an email I mailed to Mary Beaumont at safety@stwnews.org who is
- listed as the contact person for the Press Release which quoted Governor
- Mike (take the guns away) Leavitt. This press release was just sent out to
- utah-firearms and is from Prescott, AZ and is about Victoria Reggie Kennedy.
-
- Please feel free to respond to me and set me straight, if that's what I
- need.
-
- Karl L. Pearson
- Senior uniVerse Database Analyst
- Senior Unix/NT/Win Analyst
- karlp@colubs.com
-
- - -----Original Message-----
- From: Karl Pearson [mailto:karlp@colubs.com]
- Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 4:45 PM
- To: safety@stwnews.org
- Subject: Safe Schools = Safe Students...
-
-
- Hi and I appreciate your time.
-
- Please explain to me why advertising that my children are unprotected in
- their schools will keep criminals with guns and malicious children with guns
- out.
-
- Please explain to me why you don't advocate allowing a few highly-trained
- teachers, or parents who are fully qualified, to be in the schools carrying
- automatic weapons. Israel has fully stopped all terrorist attacks in their
- schools by arming all their teachers. Can't we do the same?
-
- Karl L. Pearson
- Senior uniVerse Database Analyst
- Senior Unix/NT/Win Analyst
- karlp@colubs.com
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 17:08:41 -0600
- From: "Peter Chamberlain" <pchamberlain@copconstruction.com>
- Subject: RE: Safe Schools = Safe Students...
-
- Please post her response, if you get one.
-
- Peter
-
- -----Original Message-----
- From: owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com
- [mailto:owner-utah-firearms@lists.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Karl Pearson
- Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 4:48 PM
- To: Utah-Firearms@Lists. Xmission. Com
- Subject: FW: Safe Schools = Safe Students...
-
- Here's an email I mailed to Mary Beaumont at safety@stwnews.org who is
- listed as the contact person for the Press Release which quoted Governor
- Mike (take the guns away) Leavitt. This press release was just sent out to
- utah-firearms and is from Prescott, AZ and is about Victoria Reggie Kennedy.
-
- Please feel free to respond to me and set me straight, if that's what I
- need.
-
- Karl L. Pearson
- Senior uniVerse Database Analyst
- Senior Unix/NT/Win Analyst
- karlp@colubs.com
-
- - -----Original Message-----
- From: Karl Pearson [mailto:karlp@colubs.com]
- Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 4:45 PM
- To: safety@stwnews.org
- Subject: Safe Schools = Safe Students...
-
-
- Hi and I appreciate your time.
-
- Please explain to me why advertising that my children are unprotected in
- their schools will keep criminals with guns and malicious children with guns
- out.
-
- Please explain to me why you don't advocate allowing a few highly-trained
- teachers, or parents who are fully qualified, to be in the schools carrying
- automatic weapons. Israel has fully stopped all terrorist attacks in their
- schools by arming all their teachers. Can't we do the same?
-
- Karl L. Pearson
- Senior uniVerse Database Analyst
- Senior Unix/NT/Win Analyst
- karlp@colubs.com
-
-
- - -
-
-
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:50:19 -0600
- From: Scott Bergeson <shbergeson@uswest.net>
- Subject: FW: Thinking Tanks -- Not the Kind that Go Boom
-
- - -----
- Subject: Re: Thinking Tanks -- Not the Kind that Go Boom
- Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:08:42 -0400
- From: "Hunter" <Hunter@mva.net>
- To: "LRT Discussions Mailing list" <lrt-discuss@vader.com>
-
- ... One thing I've seen mentioned in four or five different accounts
- about [GWB] is his habit of reading a book, then inviting the writer
- for dinner to talk about his ideas in depth. A few random thoughts
- related to my favorite issue.
-
- 1) I would dearly like to make sure GWB reads "That Every Man Be Armed"
- by Stephen Halbrook, and "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott. Lott
- especially could have an enormous impact. One thought that has occured
- to me is to send a letter to Cheney suggesting that GWB read those two
- books. Might as well try to drop the seed on the most receptive ground
- possible. There are other books and writers who I think could have about
- as big an impact, but those are the two who I think could really get his
- attention.
-
- 2) The media is all excited about Lieberman's Jewish roots. Somebody
- should drop a line to Aaron Zelman and suggest a very public endorsement
- of Bush. (He's bright enough to work out the quid pro quo details
- himself.) I doubt he could get much media coverage, but maybe the
- Bushies could work on that, though frankly I doubt they would. But even
- if they won't, being on record and being able to show you're bringing
- some voters to the table could be useful down the line. Problem being
- of course that we've seen some evidence that Bush at least publicly is
- trying to hold gun rights groups at a distance.
-
- 3) Along the same vein, the Second Amendment Sisters should publicly
- ask for a meeting with Bush. They're proven, they have at least some
- connections unto the halls of power, they're telegenic, they're awful
- hard for the media or the slicksters at HCI to attack or ignore, and
- they can tap into some pretty awesome conservative support. And the
- plus for the Bushies is that if its played right, they could draw yet
- more support away from the Gore unit among women. Go, SASsy ladies, go!
-
- 4) Suzanna Gratia-Hupp. She's the nuclear weapon of the gun rights
- movement. Bush knows her for sure, given that he signed the CCW bill she
- championed. If she's willing and interested she seems to me to be the
- perfect person to work with the campaign on those issues. Maybe she
- already is; I certainly don't know.
-
- 5) The NRA. Watch them vigilantly. THey're making all the right noises
- at the moment, other than the wretched Project Exile foolishness. But
- even that will play well with the public, and perhaps the prospect of
- actually enforcing all those tyrannical laws will make some people
- realise just how bad they are.
-
- 6) Don't forget Senate and House races. We're going to need every vote
- no matter who wins - and even more so if Gore pulls off a miracle. Check
- GOA ratings for your Senators and congerscritter, and be ruthless. I've
- been including open references to his voting record and the imminent
- election in my letters to the weakest members of my delegation for over
- a year. No idea if they pay attention to that sort of veiled threat -
- but I have noticed that Charlie Bass is a lot better about answering my
- letters this year than the past couple.
-
- 7) Go shooting to remind yourself what its all about. Drop by sometime
- and we'll use my range. Take a novice along and teach them if you get
- the chance - for the price of a box or two of 22 ammo you might "buy"
- a bunch of very useful votes.
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:21:27 -0600
- From: Scott Bergeson <shbergeson@uswest.net>
- Subject: Re: Fw: NRA-ILA FAX ALERT - Vol. 7, No. 32
-
- - -----
- Subject: Re: Fw: NRA-ILA FAX ALERT - Vol. 7, No. 32
- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:22:19 -0400
- From: "Hunter" <Hunter@mva.net>
- To: "LRT Discussions Mailing list" <lrt-discuss@vader.com>
-
- > > If you are a pro-gun Democrat who does not agree with the
- > > apparent abandonment by the national leadership of your
- > > party, you can contact the Democratic National Committee
- > > at (202) 863-8000 to ask why the party bosses have
- > > targeted our Second Amendment rights for extinction.
-
- Let me emphasis that sentence by repetition, and say "why should
- democrats have all the fun"? If you can spare the ten minutes and the
- coupla bucks to make the call, I'm just SURE the DNC would like to hear
- from "swing voters", too.
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:43:37 -0600
- From: Scott Bergeson <shbergeson@uswest.net>
- Subject: FW: Re: Burst the Registration Bubble
-
- - -----
- Subject: Re: Burst the Registration Bubble
- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:10:36 -0600
- From: "D. Hansen" <dahansen@uswest.net>
-
- I received the following letter from Michael Jackson in response to an
- op-ed piece written by Russ Howard, Former NRA Director, criticizing
- the NRA for compromising on firearm rights. Below Michael's letter is
- my commentary, and below that is Russ Howard's article.
-
- Dave
-
- Michael Jackson (micatjackson@uswest.net) wrote:
-
- To Russ and His followers -
-
- Besides a lot of envy and insinuations, I get the following out of
- your hate mail about the NRA:
-
- First: We should not join or support the NRA
- Second: The NRA wants every gun and every gun owner in America to be
- registered
- Third: The NRA, Sarah Brady, and other fascist members of government
- are one in the same.
-
- Are you for real? Or are you just another idiot with a lot of
- criticism and no suggestions for improvement? If you've bothered to
- read this far, I'll say it again so boneheads like you might FINALLY
- get the message: THE NRA IS THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN. IF YOU DON'T LIKE
- IT, HELP US CHANGE IT, BUT DON'T RECOMMEND PEOPLE NOT SUPPORT THE
- SOLE ORGANIZATION FIGHTING FOR OUR RIGHTS AND OUR NATION!
-
- Can I explain it any plainer? I see not one suggestion to improve
- anything in your letter. Are you just another "legend in your own
- mind" cretin or could it be YOU want the 20K/Mo? I have never heard
- the NRA claim to be as you charge.
-
- I tried being nice to you [blanks]... I got no response; no one
- bothered to help improve things. I have concerns about the NRA too,
- but a lot more about people who want to stand in the way of freedom
- such as you. So now maybe I'll be half as insulting as you; maybe
- then I'll get yout attention.
-
- Express your opinion - mostly because if you keep this kind of rot
- inside, you'll decay into less than you already are.
-
- Michael
- ___________________________
- Dave's comments below:
-
- NRA is NOT the only game in town. You might try Gun Owners of
- America. When NRA has been rolling over playing dead, GOA has
- pushed aggressively and saved many of our rights from extinction.
-
- Why do you think Orrin Hatch hates that organization so much? At least
- you get the truth from it. And it blasts away with both barrels! You
- say you too have "concerns" with the NRA. Just what concerns do you
- have with it? And how would you propose to change the NRA without
- letting people know about those concerns? As I see it, Russ did an
- excellent job in presenting facts, many of which I've seen with my
- own eyes.
-
- Look at NRA's support for Mike Leavitt and Orrin Hatch, when they could
- have supported Glen Davis and Greg Hawkins, far more ardent defenders
- of the Second Amendment. Look also at the much touted "Project Exile"
- which seeks to "vigorously enforce" all gun laws that we fought for
- years to keep OFF the books. If people like Russ weren't trying to wake
- people up, which is exactly what his letter is supposed to do, just
- how do you propose to "CHANGE IT"? I am also sick of the USSC and its
- compromising ways, which are supported by the NRA. We have lost more
- ground because of willingness to compromise than because of opponents
- such as Sarah Brady. I am a voting member of the NRA, but my one vote
- to clean up the NRA just isn't enough. At least Russ is planting in
- people's minds the seeds that have to take root before we can clean
- house on the NRA. I just hope it's not too late and that not all of
- our rights have been compromised away before that can happen.
-
- Dave
-
-
- Russ Howard's article below:
-
- Date: 8/9/2000 3:13:00 AM
- Written By: Russ Howard
- Bursting the Registration Bubble
-
- http://keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=414
-
- by Russ Howard
- Russ.Howard@USA.net
- Former NRA Director
-
- Hate to burst the bubble, folks, but let's face it:
-
- We already have registration, and NRA management supports it. The
- Clinton plan, by making registration official, extending it, and
- actually calling it registration, serves to conceal the fact that
- we already have it.
-
- We already have gun registration under the Gun Control Act of 1968,
- supported by Charlton Heston & NRA management. Under GCA68, dealers
- who go out of business must turn over their lists to the government.
-
- GCA68 created a dangerous system of registration lists kept locally
- across the nation. The government knows the location of each of these
- lists, and they know who's responsible for them. Once the government
- decides to do so, it can simply go to the gun stores and confiscate
- or copy the lists, which to some extent it has already been doing.
- Who will stop them? Who will punish them? Sed quis custodiet ipsos
- custodes?
-
- We have registration through NRA management's InstaCheck program. Is it
- really likely that the people who murdered Vicky & Sammy Weaver and 24
- children at Waco and then covered up the evidence, who not only were
- never punished for it but arranged to give each other national standing
- ovations, who work for a government that practices a religion of secrecy,
- lies, oathbreaking, lawbreaking, and invasion of privacy - is it really
- likely that they're afraid to keep some stinking records? Get real. A
- prudent man must assumes they're keeping the records already.
-
- NRA management refused to consider viable alternatives to InstaCheck
- whereby dealers could check backgrounds without the government knowing
- who's buying a gun, even after its Board of Directors - that great
- model of decisiveness, strength, intelligence, independence, and
- voluntarism - asked it to.
-
- We have registration through NRA management's "Shall Issue" concealed
- carry programs.
-
- NRA management has fought to quarantine Vermont carry in Vermont.
- Vermont carry does not involve registration. NRA management refuses to
- back, and threatens to punish, legislators who introduce or support
- Vermont carry in other states. Is this "great struggle" against
- registration yet another grand Beltway Kabuki, a good cop/bad cop play
- acted out on a national scale, choreographed to wow and pacify natives
- who've been stuck in NRA management's version of Plato's Cave for so
- long they've lost the ability to distinguish the play, in which they
- all have a part, from reality? What better way to help us avoid facing
- the painful truth that we already have registration, which our "leaders"
- signed off on, than to stage an epic battle where we "fight" and "kill"
- registration?
-
- We now have an NRA management that holds joint press conferences with
- Jim & Sarah Brady to introduce laws promoting "zero tolerance full
- enforcement of existing gun controls", an NRA management that proudly
- promotes Soviet style snitch-on-your-neighbor billboards proclaiming
- "Report Illegal Guns. Call 1-800...", an NRA management that openly
- supports a law that provides for 10-year prison sentences for teachers
- who carry concealed to defend themselves and their students.
-
- Meanwhile, NRA members continue to send money. Be sure to send yours
- so LaPierre, Beltway & Co. can keep their $20,000-a-month salaries,
- $15,000-a-month "expense" accounts, and who-knows-what other perks;
- so they can keep flushing your money over to anti-gun politicians and
- sweetheart vendors. In fact, it's time the "Winning" Team got another
- raise, don't you think? They sure do.
-
- Registration is Dead!
-
- Long Live Registration!
-
- Russ Howard
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:20:24 -0600
- From: Scott Bergeson <shbergeson@uswest.net>
- Subject: paper maintaining list of anti-gun scandals
-
- http://www.alamanceind.com/newfol~2/nation.html
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:23:11 -0600
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Make-A-Wish caves to animal rights extreemists
-
- And current or past supporters of Make-A-Wish may want to let them know
- what you think of this decision.
-
- From Sunday's SLTrib:
-
-
- Hunting for a Wish
- Sunday, August 13,
- 2000
-
-
-
-
-
- The famous Make-A-Wish Foundation, noted by people everywhere
- with justifiable affection for making dreams possible for
- terminally-ill young
- people, has decided to limit its altruistic mission. Not because it
- is running
- out of money. Not because dying youngsters are asking for more
- grandiose
- wish fulfillment, but because its governing board wants to be
- politically
- correct.
- The Phoenix-based charity's board recently announced that it
- will no
- longer grant a youngster's wish if it involves hunting or the
- shooting sports.
- A spokesman claimed the decision came out of safety concerns, but
- this
- seems but a feeble excuse to dissemble a more accurate reason --
- placating angry animal rights groups.
- Four years ago, animal rights activists exploded in vociferous
- wrath
- when the Make-A-Wish Foundation sent a terminally-ill teen-ager,
- Erik
- Ness, on an Alaska hunting trip -- something he ardently desired.
- Some
- animal rights proponents are loud, emotional and bullying. It is
- hard for
- many to buck them. It is too bad Make-A-Wish could not muster the
- backbone to do so.
- Make-A-Wish Foundation exists to grant "last requests" of
- youthful
- cancer patients and others with terminal diseases. It's primary
- criterion
- should be the physical and financial ability to carry out the
- recipient's
- request, whether it is for a hunting trip, a visit to Disney World
- or a trip to
- Jerusalem. Once it starts down the road of political correctness,
- supporting
- and eschewing activities dictated by groups and individuals it
- respects or
- fears, its basic purpose is compromised. It no longer grants last
- requests,
- but only certain ones.
- Moreover, hunting is every bit as legitimate as any other
- endeavor. It
- has been practiced by people since the dawn of human activity.
- Hunters were among the earliest folks to realize the benefits of
- wild
- places and the need to preserve them. Theodore Roosevelt, perhaps
- the
- most conservation-minded president in U.S. history, was a
- thoroughgoing
- hunter and fond of the shooting sports, too.
- It is too bad the Make-A-Wish Foundation has decided its mission
- will
- be conditional and less inclusive. It is too bad it listens better
- to anti-hunting
- and anti-shooting groups than it does to the wishes and dreams of
- the
- terminally-ill youngsters it was created to serve.
-
-
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:40:10 -0600
- From: Scott Bergeson <shbergeson@uswest.net>
- Subject: NRA brings ads to party
-
- Is she daft?
-
- "It [the ad] claims we're trying to take away people's
- rights," said Rep. Carolyn McCarthy, New York Democrat,
- during a forum yesterday on gun violence. "You show me
- one thing I'm doing to take away people's rights."
-
- The National Rifle Association is sounding a media counterpoint
- to the Democratic convention with ads asking party officials
- why they're so hostile to the right to bear arms. (8/15/00)
- URL: http://washtimes.com/national/default-200081523282.htm
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 12:45:59 -0600
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Tiger mauls woman in Boise
-
- Did anyone see the report in yesterday's DesNews
- <http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,195007376,00.html?> or on last
- nights TV news about the woman who was mauled by the tiger in the Boise
- Zoo?
-
- I found something interesting. From the DesNews article:
-
- " Boise Police Sgt. Rich Schnebly was among the visitors. He fired
- two warning shots and the tiger backed up. Schnebly moved toward [the
- victim] and the cat stepped forward. He fired another shot, Taiga
- retreated and the cage door was shut.
-
- " [The victim] said she excruciating pain in her left leg and assumed
- the tiger had broken her femur. Hours later she learned one of the
- bullets had snapped the bone and caused some nerve damage."
-
- Now I'm wondering, exactly how did a "warning shot" hit the victim's leg?
- Was it from a ricochete inside what I presume to be a concrete building?
- If it was a ricochete, why didn't a trained officer realise that lodging
- the bullet squarly in the tiger's body--while somewhat tragic--would have
- been the safest way to discharge his gun? For some reason did the
- officer think that shooting in the general direction of the tiger (and
- victim) was the safest way to discharche his gun? Or was the officer
- aiming at the tiger and missed and then chose to call it "a warning shot"
- rather than a missed shot?
-
- In any event, how might it have been reported if an armed citizen with
- CCW had done EXACTLY what the officer did? Would we now be reading about
- how he needlessly injured the victim by shooting when he wasn't
- qualified?
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:22:53 -0600
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: FW: Geeks With Guns
-
- Thought you might find this interesting...
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- - --------- Forwarded message ----------
- Here's a little blurb in the Boston Globe about the recent Geeks
- With Guns event during the LinuxWorld trade show in San Jose.
-
- <http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/241/business/Milpitas_Calif_By_day_the
- y_re_mild_mannered_engineers+.shtml>
-
-
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
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-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:24:18 -0600
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: FW: Vanishing Freedom
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- - ----------Begin Forwarded Message-----
-
-
- Perhaps slightly off thread, but this outstanding program should be
- viewed by one and all, as the issue certainly parallels the current
- Clinton/Gore attacks on our other rights--including the right to keep and
-
- bear arms. There is a link to order a copy of this excellent video at
- the
- end. Following is an abbreviated (to save bandwidth) version of a
- posting
- from the American Land Rights Association/Land Rights Network that was
- sent
- me today. Their contact information is:
-
- PO Box 400 - Battle Ground WA 98604
- > Phone: 360-687-3087 - Fax: 360-687-2973 - Email: <alra@pacifier.com> -
- > http://www.landrights.org
-
- > VANISHING FREEDOM: WHO OWNS "AMERICA?"
- > THIS SHOW DOCUMENTS THE CLINTON/GORE ATTACK ON RURAL AMERICA
- >
- > This is the best film ever done about land use abuses by the Federal
- land
- > agencies. It is a must for every group or convention. Show it at
- county
- > fairs. Send copies to your Senators and Congressmen. It is truly
- > brilliant. You can show anyone the frustrations you face better in
- less
- > time with "Vanishing Freedom" than any other film we are aware of.
- It's
- > one hour but gets the point across using any 15-minute segment.
- >
- > FOX TV SPECIAL - VANISHING FREEDOM
- >
- > SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 9TH AT 8:00 PM EASTERN TIME - 5:00 PM IN THE WEST
- > SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 10TH AT 10:00 PM EASTERN TIME - 7:00 PM IN THE WEST
- >
- > GET YOUR VIDEO TAPE MACHINE READY - YOU'LL NEED IT.
- >
- > Fox News will re-broadcast this one-hour show that first aired in July.
- > We understand there will be some updates. The show includes:
- >
- > -----Segments on the uses and misuses of the Endangered Species Act
- (ESA);
- > -----The Clinton Administration Executive Orders to create new
- Monuments;
- > -----The shutdown of the economy by the Feds in Oroville, Washington
- and
- > Lewiston, Idaho;
- > -----President Clinton's "Roads" Moratorium;
- > -----Examined the growing resentment to Clinton's Roadless policies
- > including the Jarbridge Shovel Brigade's grassroots rebellion in
- Nevada;
- > -----The attempt to take prime productive farmland in Ohio on the
- Little
- > Darby Creek and make it a National Wildlife Refuge;
- > -----Other issues related to land ownership; and
- > -----Three minutes from the "Big Park" Land Grab Music Video.
- >
- > Fox News investigates what the Clinton administration is doing in the
- name
- > of environmental conservation. America is a nation founded on
- freedom.
- > But today, some Americans believe that principle is under attack.
- >
- > Are decisions about our lives and our land being made, not by our
- elected
- > representatives, but by bureaucrats and a president many don't trust?
- > Is this land really yours and mine or is the government taking whatever
- > suits it?
-
- Copy of the video can be ordered at:
-
- AOL: <A
- HREF="http://www.landrights.org/OCS/Vanish.pdf">http://www.landright
- s.org/OCS/Vanish.pdf</A>
- OTHERS: http://www.landrights.org/OCS/Vanish.pdf
-
- - -
-
- ------------------------------
-
- Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 11:45:03 -0600
- From: Scott Bergeson <shbergeson@uswest.net>
- Subject: FW: Insist the Law be Followed
-
- - -----
- Subject: LPU: FW:Insist the Law be Folowed
- Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 10:12:13 -0600
- From: "Jim Dexter" <jimdex@inconnect.com>
- To: "LPUtah Forum" <lputah@qsicorp.com>
-
- This forward from a USSC officer makes a good point. We already have
- enough gun laws to cover everything. But they must be enforced.
-
- - -------------------------
-
- Here is a prime example of the sort of nonsense we need
- to highlight when people propose more gun laws.
-
- It would be good if USSC went on record demanding that the any gun
- charges not be dropped, and that the gun enhancement be imposed.
- Probably an email from Woody to the reporter (his address is at the
- bottom of the story) would get some publicity. Notes to the prosecutor
- and judge (if not ethical for lawyers to do so, get a USSC nonlawyer
- board member to make the contact).
-
- We can then use our position on this along with the details of
- the case as something to pass out to every legislator as reasons
- NOT to pass any new gun laws.
-
-
- Deseret News 8 Sep 00
- http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,195012539,00.html?textfield=gun
-
- Man may accept plea in shooting
-
- By Jim Rayburn <http://deseretnews.com/dn/staff/card/1,1228,122,00.html>
- Deseret News staff writer
-
- PROVO A man accused of shooting at his girlfriend last month as she
- fled in her car is considering accepting a plea deal offered by Utah
- County prosecutors.
-
- Police say Robert W. Snow, 39, fired at least eight shots at his girl-
- friend Aug. 10 as she was fleeing a domestic dispute between the two.
-
- Investigators say that during an early morning argument, the woman
- ran from her south Provo apartment and sped away in her car.
-
- Snow allegedly chased her in his car and fired a handgun at her as
- he chased her through south Provo. Five shots struck the woman's car,
- but none hit her.
-
- Police said that at one point during the 10-minute chase Snow's car
- actually collided with his girlfriend's car.
-
- Snow is charged with attempted murder, possession of a controlled
- substance, possession of a dangerous weapon, second-degree felonies;
- aggravated assault, a third-degree felony; and misdemeanor charges
- of driving while intoxicated and driving on a denied license.
-
- Snow, who has 17 prior arrests, was scheduled for a preliminary hearing Wednesday.
-
- However, he waived his right to a preliminary hearing and will enter
- a plea on the case next week. Prosecutors have offered to dismiss some
- of the charges if Snow pleads guilty to the others. If Snow does not
- accept the deal, the case will be set for trial.
-
- The second-degree felony charges carry a possible sentence of one to
- 15 years in prison. Snow remains incarcerated at the Utah County Jail.
-
-
- E-MAIL: mailto:jimr@desnews.com
-
- - -
-
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