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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 00:39:49 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: McCain - From Neal Knox

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Subject: From Neal Knox
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 18:17:57 -0800
From: "InTheRiver" <[e-mail]>
To: "l&j" <[e-mail]>

On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:20:42 EST, [e-mail] (Neal Knox) wrote:

Feb. 12 update -- Former New York Mayor Koch -- who rammed through
the city's "assault weapon" registration law, which his successor,
David Dinkins, used to confiscate those guns -- has joined the
swelling ranks of Democrats saying they "would be comfortable with"
John McCain as President.

And McCain is on the cover of all three major news magazines this week.

Even if I didn't know that McCain was largely responsible for last
May's Republican cave-in on gun laws, his bedfellows and admirers
would be making me extremely uncomfortable.

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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:59:02 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Weber County Lincoln Day Dinner

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Subject: Weber County Lincoln Day Dinner
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 21:54:42 -0700
From: "Arnold J. Gaunt" <[e-mail]>

A few notes of interest from the Weber County Lincoln Day Dinner on Saturday.

Marty Stephens

Expressed his appreciation for the great job that Mike Leavitt has done for
the last 8 years.  He supports his reelection wholeheartedly, and urges us to
do the same.

Orrin Hatch

Stood at door and shook the hand of every attendee.  (I don't believe
I've ever seen Orrin doing this before. More election year conversion?)

Believes that Bill Clinton and Al Gore are good people.

Can work very effectively with Bill Clinton.  He can be fooled
into doing the right thing.  (I haven't noticed).

No one has fought more for the Second Amendment than he has over the last 23
years.

He led fight against the Lautenberg amendment, but voted for it once it was
incorporated in S. 254.

Don't let two bit people from WA DC manipulate you (ie GOA).
(It was ironic that Orrin spent as much time as he did on GOA
if they are only of two bit importance).

We don't understand the legislative process.  It is necessary/right to
sponsor gun control legislation like S. 254 because everything will be
made OK in the Conference Committee.  (Sure relieves me, how about you?)

He gave up nothing to confirm Leavitt crony Ted Stewart.

He is responsible for Ginsburg and Breyer being chosen as Supreme
court justices.  (Democrats have never had any problem in rejecting
Supreme court appointees from Republican Presidents.  Too bad the
Republicans don't share the same commitment for Democratics Presidents.)

We are talking about the survival of the Constitution this election.
We therefore need OGH.

Arnold

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Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:51:49 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Gun buy back in Provo

d

You might want to pass this along to anyone in Utah County interested in
protested or maybe even being able to stop this waste of tax dollars.

Provo police to buy back guns

           Goal is to decrease crime, accidental deaths and suicide

           By Frank Curreri
           Deseret News staff writer

                 PROVO ù Armed with a $21,000 federal grant, Provo police
intend to purchase guns from residents next month in an effort
           to reduce crime, suicides and accidental deaths in the city.
                 Police who will conduct the city's unprecedented "gun
buybacks" hope to collect ù and then destroy ù nearly 300 guns.
                 By contrast, the city seized 13 guns from criminals last
year.
                 "I think it's going to be interesting," said Provo
Police Sgt. Lee Upchurch, who will oversee the project. "I have a gut
feeling
           most of these guns will be guns that maybe weren't operable.
Is it a good idea? Yeah. I think if a person doesn't feel comfortable
           with a gun in their home, they ought to turn it in. But I
think it will be interesting to see what kinds of guns people turn in.
Are we
           going to see any major assault rifles? I don't know. Actually,
I'm just dying to see the first one because I don't know what to
           expect."
                 The gun buyback is part of a $2.4 million program
recently launched by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban
           Development (HUD) to take firearms off the streets in 75
cities nationwide.
                 Funding of Provo's buyback project was made possible by
the Provo City Public Housing Authority, which diverted $15,000 of
           a HUD grant toward the plan. That prompted HUD to pitch in an
additional $6,514.
                 "This gun buyback in Provo will save lives," HUD
Secretary Andrew Cuomo said in a prepared statement last week.
                 HUD official Julie Fagan said the initiative is the only
one of its kind in Utah this year.
                 Relative to much larger cities scheduled to host
federally funded gun buybacks ù such as Miami, San Francisco and Newark,
           N.J. ù Provo's crime rate is exceptionally low.
                 For example, from 1996 through 1999, guns were involved
in only three homicides in this city of 110,000, according to
           statistics proffered by Provo police.
                 Federal officials estimate that guns are involved in
30,000 deaths in the U.S. each year ù about 1,000 of them accidental and
           18,000 by suicide.
                 Violence or mishaps using guns also cause an estimated
100,000 injuries across the nation each year.
                 As is the case nationally, suicide is far more prevalent
than murder in Provo, with 32 people taking their own lives between
           1995 and 1999 ù 20 of them using a gun, according to police.
                 Provo had an average of 55 assaults committed using guns
between 1994 and 1998, with a high of 61 in 1994.
                 Howell said police will give a maximum gift certificate
of $50 per gun but added there is "talk of trying to increase that."
                 Provo's Police Department is scheduled to host its gun
buyback from 9 a.m. to noon March 11, and from 5 to 8 p.m. March
           16, at the Eldred Center, 270 W. 500 North in Provo. Sellers
do not have to be Provo residents but will have to show identification,
           Howell said.
==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 09:42:00 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: [Fwd: Gun buy back in Provo]

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Why is this application of federal funds not a violation of the
2nd Amendment? Is it even possible to violate that Amendment?
Since the courts believe it doesn't apply to the States but only
to the national government, yet anything the national government
does is exempt from the entire Bill of Rights under the theory
that Art. I Sect. 8 Clause 17 "exclusive Legislation" supercedes
it, where does any practical application reside?

Scott
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d

You might want to pass this along to anyone in Utah County interested in
protested or maybe even being able to stop this waste of tax dollars.

Provo police to buy back guns

           Goal is to decrease crime, accidental deaths and suicide

           By Frank Curreri
           Deseret News staff writer

                 PROVO ù Armed with a $21,000 federal grant, Provo police
intend to purchase guns from residents next month in an effort
           to reduce crime, suicides and accidental deaths in the city.
                 Police who will conduct the city's unprecedented "gun
buybacks" hope to collect ù and then destroy ù nearly 300 guns.
                 By contrast, the city seized 13 guns from criminals last
year.
                 "I think it's going to be interesting," said Provo
Police Sgt. Lee Upchurch, who will oversee the project. "I have a gut
feeling
           most of these guns will be guns that maybe weren't operable.
Is it a good idea? Yeah. I think if a person doesn't feel comfortable
           with a gun in their home, they ought to turn it in. But I
think it will be interesting to see what kinds of guns people turn in.
Are we
           going to see any major assault rifles? I don't know. Actually,
I'm just dying to see the first one because I don't know what to
           expect."
                 The gun buyback is part of a $2.4 million program
recently launched by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban
           Development (HUD) to take firearms off the streets in 75
cities nationwide.
                 Funding of Provo's buyback project was made possible by
the Provo City Public Housing Authority, which diverted $15,000 of
           a HUD grant toward the plan. That prompted HUD to pitch in an
additional $6,514.
                 "This gun buyback in Provo will save lives," HUD
Secretary Andrew Cuomo said in a prepared statement last week.
                 HUD official Julie Fagan said the initiative is the only
one of its kind in Utah this year.
                 Relative to much larger cities scheduled to host
federally funded gun buybacks ù such as Miami, San Francisco and Newark,
           N.J. ù Provo's crime rate is exceptionally low.
                 For example, from 1996 through 1999, guns were involved
in only three homicides in this city of 110,000, according to
           statistics proffered by Provo police.
                 Federal officials estimate that guns are involved in
30,000 deaths in the U.S. each year ù about 1,000 of them accidental and
           18,000 by suicide.
                 Violence or mishaps using guns also cause an estimated
100,000 injuries across the nation each year.
                 As is the case nationally, suicide is far more prevalent
than murder in Provo, with 32 people taking their own lives between
           1995 and 1999 ù 20 of them using a gun, according to police.
                 Provo had an average of 55 assaults committed using guns
between 1994 and 1998, with a high of 61 in 1994.
                 Howell said police will give a maximum gift certificate
of $50 per gun but added there is "talk of trying to increase that."
                 Provo's Police Department is scheduled to host its gun
buyback from 9 a.m. to noon March 11, and from 5 to 8 p.m. March
           16, at the Eldred Center, 270 W. 500 North in Provo. Sellers
do not have to be Provo residents but will have to show identification,
           Howell said.
==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:35:54 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 2-14: URGENT COMMITTEE ALERT!

Happy Valentine's Day to all of you!
Committee alert!
Meetings with Sen. Hatch


URGENT! YOU ARE NEEDED THIS WEDNESDAY!

As we get closer to the end of the session, the pace will definitely pick up.
This coming Wednesday is an important day for gun owners.  FOUR bills will
be heard Wednesday morning. Wednesday evening is the meeting with Sen. Hatch
to discuss Second Amendment issues.  PLEASE PLAN TO ATTEND AND TO CONTACT
LEGISLATORS!

Wednesday schedule
Wednesday, Feb. 16th, 8 AM  Rm 403 - Senate Transportation and Public Safety
Committee.

1. SB 200 - Mental Health Commitment Amendments (Montgomery)  This bill is
stealth gun control.  It would make it possible to commit virtually anyone
for "mental illness".  Once committed, a person loses his right to purchase
or possess a firearm FOR LIFE under FEDERAL law.  He can also lose a
concealed carry permit under UTAH law.  Current commitment laws are adequate
since they allow the commitment and detention of anyone who poses an immediate
threat to himself or others.  Because there is almost no due process for
commitment, this is a quick, easy, and inexpensive way to disarm and harass
those with "politically incorrect" ideas.  (This bill was heard in committee
today, but was not voted upon.  We expect a vote on Wednesday, although
nothing is certain.)

2. HB 199 - Limits on Gun Manufacturers Liability (Throckmorton) This is our
ONE good bill this session.  It would prohibit frivolous lawsuits against
firearms manufacturers by government entities.  (This bill was scheduled
today but there was not enough time to discuss it.)

3. SB 32 - Concealed Permit Holders Requirements (R. Allen)  This terrible
bill would require that anyone applying for a concealed carry permit pass
a marksmanship test.  Sen. Allen apparently believes that failure to pass
a marksmanship test is grounds for revoking the right to self-defense and
the right to life.  This is rather like saying that only physicians should
be allowed to perform first aid.  In most cases, a firearm used for self
defense is never even fired - just the sight of a gun scares off criminals!
SB 32 would also discriminate against the disabled, the elderly, women (who
carry smaller, lighter, and therefore less accurate guns), and anyone else
who can't afford an expensive competition quality firearm.

PLEASE CONTACT MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE! OPPOSE SB 200 and SB 32!
SUPPORT HB 199!  Members of the committee are:
Sen. Michael Waddoups, Chair  801-967-0225, [e-mail]
President Lane Beattie  801-292-7406, [e-mail]
Sen. R. Mont Evans  801-254-2655, [e-mail]
Sen. Karen Hale  801-485-6642, [e-mail]
Sen. Paula F. Julander 801-363-0868 [e-mail]
Sen. Peter C. Knudson 435-723-2035 [e-mail]
Sen. Eddie "Ed" P. Mayne 801-968-7756 [e-mail]
Sen. David H. Steele 801-825-3033 [e-mail]

Sen. Waddoups is on record as saying he opposes SB 200 and supports HB 199.
Sen. Mayne is on record as saying he opposes SB 200, and is leaning towards
supporting HB 199. Senators Beattie, Evans and Steele need to be reminded
that their OWN party platform OPPOSES gun control and supports individual
rights!

We need at least two (preferable three) members of this committee willing to
commit to opposing gun control and supporting gun rights and human rights!
YOUR presence, calls, letters, faxes, email, etc. CAN make the difference!


Wednesday, Feb. 16, 8 AM, Room 225  House Health and Human Services Committee
1. SB 37 - School Surveys (Montgomery) SB 37 would allow schools to administer
surveys asking personal questions to your children WITHOUT your knowledge or
permission.  Questions about firearms ownership, storage, etc. would be
permitted.  This bill was held in committee and may be voted on at any time.

PLEASE contact members of the committee if you have not done so already and
ask them to OPPOSE SB 37.
Rep. Carl R. Saunders, Chair [e-mail] 801-476-1110
Rep. Bryan Holladay, Vice Chair [e-mail] 801-280-6404
Rep. Loretta Baca, [e-mail] 801-487-2738
Rep. Trisha Beck [e-mail] 801-572-2325
Rep. Jackie Biskupski [e-mail] 801-484-8369
Rep. Mary Carlson, [e-mail] 801-485-8612
Rep. Margaret Dayton [e-mail] 801-221-0623
Rep. Kory Holdaway [e-mail] 801-964-6360
Rep. Becky Lockhart [e-mail] 801-377-7428
Rep. Marlon O. Snow [e-mail] H 801-224-6163 W 801-486-7121
Rep. Nora B. Stephens [e-mail] 801-825-3792
Rep. A. Lamont Tyler [e-mail] H 801-272-1218  W 801-581-6920
Rep. Richard L. Walsh [e-mail] 801-561-5169

No firearms bills are scheduled for committee hearings on Tuesday.

Meetings with Sen. Hatch
PLEASE plan to attend the Second Amendment meeting with Senator Hatch on
Wednesday, Feb. 16 at 7 PM, at the Hilton Hotel, 150 West 500 South, SLC.
There is a buffet at 5:30 PM, but I'm not sure whether that's open to the
public.

I attended this evening's Town Meeting with Sen. Hatch in Sandy.  It was clear
that Sen. Hatch would like us to believe that he's doing us a "favor" by voting
for such horrors as a ban on high-capacity magazines, mandatory trigger locks,
young adult gun bans, juvenile "Brady", and a variety of onerous regulations
that would likely shut down gun shows.  UTGuns disagrees.  We have never seen
a "good" gun control bill!  Giving away our rights slowly is still giving away
our rights!  Please attend the meeting and help Sen. Hatch understand that the
only acceptable response to gun control legislation is NO!

Thanks for your support!  You ARE having an effect, and many legislators
have commented on the number of calls they have gotten from "gun people".
Keep up the good work.  Only 16 days left!

Sarah

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 14:38:37 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: Guns

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Subject: Guns
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 12:02:35 -0700
From: "JOHNNIE BRUCE" <[e-mail]>

Senate Transportation and Public Safety
Wed Feb 16, 8:00 AM Room 403

SB200 Mental Health Commitment Amendments (Sen Montgomery)
They did not have a quorum last time to vote on it.

AN ACT RELATING TO THE DIVISION OF MENTAL HEALTH, LOCAL, MENTAL, HEALTH
AUTHORITIES, AND THE CODE OF CRIMINAL PROCEDURE, REMOVING THE REQUIREMENT
OF FINDING THAT A PERSON IS AN ôIMMEDIATEö DANGER TO SELF OR OTHERS FOR
CIVIL COMMITMENT AND SPECIFIED CRIMINAL COMMITMENTS; AND FURTHER AMENDING
CRITERIA FOR CIVIL COMMITMENT.


HB 199 Limits on Gun ManufacturerÆs Liability (M. Throckmorton)

AN ACT RELATING TO THE JUDICIAL CODE; PROHIBITING THE STATE AND ITS
POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS FROM SUING FIREARM MANUFACTURERS.

This one deserves our support.


SB32 Concealed Permit Holders Requirements (R.Allen)

AN ACT RELATING TO CONCEALED WEAPONS; REQUIRING FOR ISSUANCE OF A
CONCEALED FIREARM PERMIT THAT THE APPLICANT DEMONSTRATE COMPETENCE BY
HITTING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TARGETS; AND MAKING CONFIRMING AMENDMENTS.




SB225 Committee on Criminal Justice for Youth and Adults with Mental
Retardation
Sponsor: Lyle W. Hillyard

AN ACT RELATING TO STATE AFFAIRS IN GENERAL; CREATING THE
COMMITTEE ON CRIMINAL JUSTICE FOR YOUTH AND ADULTS WITH MENTAL
RETARDATION WITHIN THE COMMISSION ON CRIMINAL AND JUVENILE JUSTICE;
DEFINING MEMBERSHIP; DESIGNATING TERMS; PROVIDING FOR STAFFING;
REQUIRING AN ANNUAL REPORT; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 16:15:48 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: UTGuns leg alert for 2-14---Hearings tomorrow (Wednesday)

- ---FORWARDED FROM UTGUNS LEG ALERTS-----

Happy Valentine's Day to all of you!
Committee alert!
Meetings with Sen. Hatch


URGENT!  YOU ARE NEEDED THIS WEDNESDAY!

As we get closer to the end of the session, the pace will definitely pick
up.  This coming Wednesday is an important day for gun owners.  FOUR
bills will be heard Wednesday morning.  Wednesday evening is the meeting
with Sen. Hatch to discuss Second Amendment issues.  PLEASE PLAN TO
ATTEND AND TO CONTACT LEGISLATORS!

Wednesday schedule
Wednesday, Feb. 16th, 8 AM  Rm 403 - Senate Transportation and Public
Safety Committee.
1. SB 200 - Mental Health Commitment Amendments (Montgomery)  This bill
is stealth gun control.  It would make it possible to commit virtually
anyone for "mental illness".  Once committed, a person loses his right to
purchase or possess a firearm FOR LIFE under FEDERAL law.  He can also
lose a concealed carry permit under UTAH law.  Current commitment laws
are adequate since they allow the commitment and detention of anyone who
poses an immediate threat to himself or others.  Because there is almost
no due process for commitment, this is a quick, easy, and inexpensive way
to disarm and harass those with "politically incorrect" ideas.  (This
bill was heard in committee today, but was not voted upon.  We expect a
vote on Wednesday, although nothing is certain.)
2. HB 199 - Limits on Gun Manufacturers Liability (Throckmorton)  This is
our ONE good bill this session.  It would prohibit frivolous lawsuits
against firearms manufacturers by government entities.  (This bill was
scheduled today but there was not enough time to discuss it.)
3. SB 32 - Concealed Permit Holders Requirements (R. Allen)  This
terrible bill would require that anyone applying for a concealed carry
permit pass a marksmanship test.  Sen. Allen apparently believes that
failure to pass a marksmanship test is grounds for revoking the right to
self-defense and the right to life.  This is rather like saying that only
physicians should be allowed to perform first aid.  In most cases, a
firearm used for self defense is never even fired - just the sight of a
gun scares off criminals!  SB 32 would also discriminate against the
disabled, the elderly, women (who carry smaller, lighter, and therefore
less accurate guns), and anyone else who can't afford an expensive
competition quality firearm.

PLEASE CONTACT MEMBERS OF THIS COMMITTEE!  OPPOSE SB 200 and SB 32!
SUPPORT HB 199!  Members of the committee are:
Sen. Michael Waddoups, Chair  801-967-0225, [e-mail]
President Lane Beattie  801-292-7406, [e-mail]
Sen. R. Mont Evans  801-254-2655, [e-mail]
Sen. Karen Hale  801-485-6642, [e-mail]
Sen. Paula F. Julander  801-363-0868  [e-mail]
Sen. Peter C. Knudson  435-723-2035   [e-mail]
Sen. Eddie "Ed" P. Mayne  801-968-7756   [e-mail]
Sen. David H. Steele   801-825-3033  [e-mail]

Sen. Waddoups is on record as saying he opposes SB 200 and supports HB
199.
Sen. Mayne is on record as saying he opposes SB 200, and is leaning
towards supporting HB 199.
Senators Beattie, Evans and Steele need to be reminded that their OWN
party platform OPPOSES gun control and supports individual rights!

We need at least two (preferable three) members of this committee willing
to commit to opposing gun control and supporting gun rights and human
rights!  YOUR presence, calls, letters, faxes, email, etc. CAN make the
difference!


Wednesday, Feb. 16, 8 AM, Room 225  House Health and Human Services
Committee
1. SB 37 - School Surveys (Montgomery)  SB 37 would allow schools to
administer surveys asking personal questions to your children WITHOUT
your knowledge or permission.  Questions about firearms ownership,
storage, etc. would be permitted.  This bill was held in committee and
may be voted on at any time.

PLEASE contact members of the committee if you have not done so already
and ask them to OPPOSE SB 37.
Rep. Carl R. Saunders, Chair  [e-mail]  801-476-1110
Rep. Bryan Holladay, Vice Chair  [e-mail]  801-280-6404
Rep. Loretta Baca, [e-mail]  801-487-2738
Rep. Trisha Beck  [e-mail]  801-572-2325
Rep. Jackie Biskupski  [e-mail]  801-484-8369
Rep. Mary Carlson, [e-mail]  801-485-8612
Rep. Margaret Dayton  [e-mail]  801-221-0623
Rep. Kory Holdaway  [e-mail]  801-964-6360
Rep. Becky Lockhart  [e-mail]    801-377-7428
Rep. Marlon O. Snow  [e-mail]  H 801-224-6163 W 801-486-7121
Rep. Nora B. Stephens  [e-mail]  801-825-3792
Rep. A. Lamont Tyler   [e-mail]  H 801-272-1218  W
801-581-6920
Rep. Richard L. Walsh  [e-mail]  801-561-5169

No firearms bills are scheduled for committee hearings on Tuesday.

Meetings with Sen. Hatch
PLEASE plan to attend the Second Amendment meeting with Senator Hatch on
Wednesday, Feb. 16 at 7 PM, at the Hilton Hotel, 150 West 500 South, SLC.
There is a buffet at 5:30 PM, but I'm not sure whether that's open to the
public.

I attended this evening's Town Meeting with Sen. Hatch in Sandy.  It was
clear that Sen. Hatch would like us to believe that he's doing us a
"favor" by voting for such horrors as a ban on high-capacity magazines,
mandatory trigger locks, young adult gun bans, juvenile "Brady", and a
variety of onerous regulations that would likely shut down gun shows.
UTGuns disagrees.  We have never seen a "good" gun control bill!  Giving
away our rights slowly is still giving away our rights!  Please attend
the meeting and help Sen. Hatch understand that the only acceptable
response to gun control legislation is NO!

Thanks for your support!  You ARE having an effect, and many legislators
have commented on the number of calls they have gotten from "gun people".
 Keep up the good work.  Only 16 days left!

Sarah


==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
Utah Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
<[e-mail]>

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:05:22 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: FYI: Hatch and S254

Via "Jim Dexter" <[e-mail]> on Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:50:14 -0700

This is the best of five similar alerts I received.

- ----------

Exposing Senators Orrin Hatch's total disregard for the U.S. Constitution
and the amendments is obvious in his bill S254.  Link to the article below.

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from the article:

S. 254 imposes a mandatory one-year prison sentence on adults who violate
the current federal prohibition on giving handguns to minors. Thus, a
father who gives a family heirloom in a locked glass case to a son on
the son's seventeenth birthday would spend a mandatory year in prison.

Existing federal gun control law prohibits any use of records created for
firearms regulation to be used to create a registry of gun owners. The
Lautenberg Amendment to S. 254 in effect destroys this protection against
the compilation of lists of people who exercise their constitutional rights.

The Lautenberg Amendment applies to much more than gun shows. It ratifies
the Clinton Administration's illegal practice of using the National Instant
Check System to compile lists of gun buyers--including buyers who buy at
gun stores, not at gun shows.

Article:
http://www.i2i.org/SuptDocs/Crime/unfair.htm

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:10:13 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 2-16: More Hatch info

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Subject: LEG-ALERTS 2-16: More Hatch info
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 00:33:34 -0700
From: [e-mail]

For those of you who would like more information on Senator Hatch's
S. 254  (Juvenile InJustice Bill), there's an excellent article at:
http://www.i2i.org/SuptDocs/Crime/unfair.htm

Consider yourself warned: It may give you nightmares!

Sarah


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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:23:43 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: ALERT! YOUR HELP IS NEEDED!

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Subject: ALERT! YOUR HELP IS NEEDED!
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:08:41 -0700
From: [e-mail]

The following is posted on behalf of UTGuns and the Eagle Forum!

SB 37, the awful School Survey bill, was defeated in committee
today.  However, the Eagle Forum believes it will be resurrected
for another vote.  PLEASE help us protect parental rights!

Voting to USURP PARENTAL RIGHTS and INVADE FAMILY PRIVACY were:
Representatives Beck, Biskupski, Carlson, Saunders, and Tyler.
Voting FOR PARENTAL RIGHTS were Reps. Baca, Dayton, Holladay,
Lockhart, M. Snow, N. Stephens and R. Walsh.  Missing in action
was Rep. Holdaway (reportedly seen in the building!)
Thanks to the Eagle Forum for this committee report.

IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT YOU CONTACT MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE
SURE THIS BILL STAYS DEAD!

PLEASE contact committee members who voted against this bill and
ask them to continue to oppose the bill.  (Baca, Dayton, Holladay,
Lockhart, M. Snow, N. Stephens, Walsh)
Critical contacts:
a) Rep. Baca: This is the first time (to my knowledge) that Rep. Baca
has voted for parental rights, and she is taking a LOT of heat for
bucking her own party.  She NEEDS your thanks, support and encouragement!
b) Rep. Holladay  Rep. Holladay is reported to be wavering on this bill
and needs thanks and encouragement to continue to do the right thing.
c) Rep. Saunders  Rep. Saunders needs to know that supporting SB 37
was a very bad decision that we will not forget.  Should the bill be
resurrected, we hope he will regain his good sense and oppose it.
d) Rep. Holdaway  Rep. Holdaway may be the "swing" vote should this
bill be heard again.  He needs to know that we expect him to support
parent's rights!

Contact information for House Health and Human Services Committee:
Rep. Carl R. Saunders, Chair [e-mail] 801-476-1110
Rep. Bryan Holladay, Vice Chair [e-mail] 801-280-6404
Rep. Loretta Baca, [e-mail] 801-487-2738
Rep. Trisha Beck [e-mail] 801-572-2325
Rep. Jackie Biskupski [e-mail] 801-484-8369
Rep. Mary Carlson, [e-mail] 801-485-8612
Rep. Margaret Dayton [e-mail] 801-221-0623
Rep. Kory Holdaway [e-mail] 801-964-6360
Rep. Becky Lockhart [e-mail] 801-377-7428
Rep. Marlon O. Snow [e-mail] H 801-224-6163 W 801-486-7121
Rep. Nora B. Stephens [e-mail] 801-825-3792
Rep. A. Lamont Tyler [e-mail] H 801-272-1218 W 801-581-6920
Rep. Richard L. Walsh [e-mail] 801-561-5169

                        ****************************

We also need help with SB 72S2 - Terry Spencer's "Public Safety
Amendments".  This is an Unconstitutional ex post facto law.
It revokes firearms rights for up to 10 years for a juvenile
adjudicated delinquent for a felony level offense without a jury
trial.  It revokes firearms rights for LIFE for anyone found in
unlawful possession of a controlled substance (even a single pain
pill!) and a firearm at the same time, and for anyone dishonorably
discharged from the military, even for "political" rather than
"criminal" offenses, such as refusing to serve under a UN commander
or refusing an unsafe vaccine.

USSC and the NRA have decided to sell out our Constitution and
our rights to appease Sen. "Gump" Spencer!  Don't believe Sen.
Spencer when he tell you he "has to" do what the federal government
tells him to do.  I guess he's never heard of state's rights.  Our
state legislators have the right and the responsibility to stand up
to federal tyranny and the ever-increasing "federalization" of what
are properly state concerns.

Please contact members of the House Law Enforcement and Criminal
Justice Committee and insist they OPPOSE SB 72S2!

Bud Bowman, Chair <[e-mail]> 435-586-8174
Jack A. Seitz, Vice Chair <[e-mail]> 435-789-0650
Loraine Pace <[e-mail]> 435-753-6154
Blake D. Chard, <[e-mail]> 801-773-7474
Carl Saunders, <[e-mail]> 801-476-1110
Nora Stephens, <[e-mail]> 801-825-3792
Susan Koehn, <[e-mail]> 801-296-1761
David L. Hogue, <[e-mail]> 801-254-1668
Perry L. Buckner, <[e-mail]> 801-964-8215
Duane Bourdeaux, <[e-mail]> 801-596-8784
Trisha Beck, <[e-mail]> 801-572-2325

Thanks!
Sarah

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:21:09 -0700
From: Scott Bergeson <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: LEG-ALERTS 2-16: Today's votes, tomorrow's hearings, your help  needed!

More complete than the previously posted version.

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From: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:17:30 -0700
Subject: LEG-ALERTS 2-16: Today's votes, tomorrow's hearings, your help needed!

Today's votes - 1.5 victories, 1.5 losses?
Tomorrow's schedule (partial)
WHAT YOU MUST DO!

Special thanks to all of you who showed up for the committee hearings
this morning!  You DID make a difference, and your support is very much
appreciated.  I am truly overwhelmed and grateful that there are so many
of you good people who care about FREEDOM!

TODAY'S VOTES
Thanks to Senate Transportation and Public Safety Committee Chair Michael
Waddoups for his fine job of facilitating fair hearings.

SB 200 - Mental health commitments (Montgomery)
SB 200 allows the state to commit persons alleged to be mentally ill, even
if they do NOT pose an immediate physical threat to themselves or others.
It will make it possible to commit virtually anyone - and then revoke their
firearms rights for life under federal law.

Despite overwhelming opposition from members of the public (as opposed to
government bureaucrats PAID to testify in favor of bigger and more
intrusive government), this very scary bill passed out of committee
favorably.

Voting to REVOKE THE RIGHTS of people who have never committed a crime -
without benefit of due process were: Senators HALE, JULANDER, and KNUDSON.
Conspicuously ABSENT were Senators Beattie (who was in the building), Mont
Evans, and Steele.  (Beattie and Evans were also missing in action at the
Monday hearing on this bill.) Voting FOR GUN RIGHTS AND HUMAN RIGHTS were
Senators Waddoups and Mayne. This bill will now go to the Senate floor.


HB 199 - Limits on Liability for Gun Manufacturers (Throckmorton)
HB 199 protects gun manufacturers from frivolous lawsuits intended to enact
gun control by putting gun manufacturers out of business.

This good and necessary bill received overwhelming support from the public,
with only Utahns Against Gun Violence offering opposition.  HB 199 was also
passed out of committee favorably.

Voting to BANKRUPT GUN MANUFACTURERS with frivolous lawsuits were Senators
HALE and JULANDER.  Voting to protect manufacturers of lawful products and
hold criminals responsible for their own behavior were Senators Knudson,
Mayne and Waddoups.  Senators Beattie, M. Evans and Steele were again
absent.  This bill will now go to the Senate floor.


SB 37 - School Surveys (Montgomery)
SB 37 would allow public schools to administer surveys asking personal
questions (including questions about firearms) to students WITHOUT parental
knowledge or permission.

SB 37 was DEFEATED in committee today.  However, many of those attending
the hearing believe it will be resurrected at a future meeting for another
vote.  (Like vampires, some bad bills just won't stay dead!)

Voting to USURP PARENTAL RIGHTS and INVADE FAMILY PRIVACY were:
Representatives Beck, Biskupski, Carlson, Saunders, and Tyler.  Voting
FOR PARENTAL RIGHTS were Reps. Baca, Dayton, Holladay, Lockhart, M. Snow,
N. Stephens and R. Walsh.  Missing in action was Rep. Holdaway (also
reportedly seen in the building!) Thanks to the Eagle Forum for this
committee report.

IT IS ESSENTIAL THAT YOU CONTACT MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE TO MAKE SURE THIS
BILL STAYS DEAD!  (See below!)


THURSDAY'S HEARINGS

8 AM - Thursday Feb. 17  House Judiciary Committee
HB 372 - Residency Requirement for Concealed Carry Permit - G. Cox (D)
This bill would require that a person be a legal resident of Utah in order
to apply for a concealed carry permit.  It does not address what would
happen to current permittees who are non-residents or to residents who move
out of state.

It appears that Rep. Cox wants to kill Utah's tourist industry - and maybe
even its tourists!  His not terribly credible excuse is that Utah can't
conduct adequate background checks on out of state residents.  Since
fingerprints are checked by the FBI, Utah is linked to the federal NICS
system, and virtually all states have their records available on computer,
this is a bit hard to accept.

Why should visitors to our ski slopes, national parks, and the Olympics be
denied the right to self-defense?  What happens to people who live in Utah
part, but not all, of the year, and don't qualify for "legal residence"?
We know the answer to those questions from Florida's experience.  Florida's
tourists and "snowbirds" were singled out for attack by vicious criminals
until the state expanded its permit law to include non-residents.

It's hard to imagine why anyone would support a bill designed to disarm
innocent people and injure one of Utah's major industries.


8 AM, Thursday, Feb. 17, Rm 225, House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice
Committee
SB 72S2 - Public Safety Amendments - Spencer (R)
This is an Unconstitutional ex post facto law.  It revokes firearms rights
for up to 10 years for a juvenile adjudicated delinquent for a felony level
offense without a jury trial.  It revokes firearms rights for LIFE for
anyone found in unlawful possession of a controlled substance (even a
single pain pill!) and a firearm at the same time, and for anyone
dishonorably discharged from the military, even for ôpoliticalö rather than
ôcriminalö offenses.

Don't be fooled by some so-called "gun rights" and disability groups that
are willing to sacrifice our Constitution to appease the anti-gun crowd.
And don't believe Sen. Spencer when he tell you he "has to" do what the
federal government tells him to do.  I guess he's never heard of state's
rights.  Our state legislators have the right and the responsibility to
stand up to federal tyranny and the ever-increasing "federalization" of
what are properly state concerns.


PLEASE NOTE!  The complete schedule for Thursday is not yet available.
Please check the full schedule at http://www.le.state.ut.us. It should be
available by about 4 PM.


WHAT YOU MUST DO!

1. Call your OWN Senator and Senate President Beattie.  Insist that they
OPPOSE SB 200, and that they SUPPORT HB 199!  All Senators can be reached
at 801-538-1035, although it's better to call them at home.
2. Contact members of the House Judiciary Committee and insist that they
OPPOSE HB 372.  (See yesterday's alert for contact list.  It's posted at
http://www.utguns.freeservers.com/legalerts021500.html.)
3. Contact members of the House Law Enforcement and Criminal Justice
Committee and INSIST that they OPPOSE SB 72S2.  Make sure they know that
USSC and the NRA do not speak for YOU - at least on this bill!  (See
yesterday's alert for contact info.)
4. We need to organize to keep SB 37 DEAD!
PLEASE contact committee members who voted against this bill and ask them
to continue to oppose the bill.  (Baca, Dayton, Holladay, Lockhart, M.
Snow, N. Stephens, Walsh)
Critical contacts:
a) Rep. Baca:  This is the first time (to my knowledge) that Rep. Baca has
voted for parental rights, and she is taking a LOT of heat for bucking her
own party.  She NEEDS your thanks, support and encouragement!
b) Rep. Holladay  Rep. Holladay is reported to be wavering on this bill and
needs thanks and encouragement to continue to do the right thing.
c) Rep. Saunders  Rep. Saunders needs to know that supporting SB 37 was a
very bad decision that we will not forget.  Should the bill be resurrected,
we hope he will regain his good sense and oppose it.
d) Rep. Holdaway  Rep. Holdaway may be the "swing" vote should this bill be
heard again.  He needs to know that we expect him to support parent's rights!

Contact information for House Health and Human Services Committee:
Rep. Carl R. Saunders, Chair [e-mail] 801-476-1110
Rep. Bryan Holladay, Vice Chair [e-mail] 801-280-6404
Rep. Loretta Baca, [e-mail] 801-487-2738
Rep. Trisha Beck [e-mail] 801-572-2325
Rep. Jackie Biskupski [e-mail] 801-484-8369
Rep. Mary Carlson, [e-mail] 801-485-8612
Rep. Margaret Dayton [e-mail] 801-221-0623
Rep. Kory Holdaway [e-mail] 801-964-6360
Rep. Becky Lockhart [e-mail] 801-377-7428
Rep. Marlon O. Snow [e-mail] H 801-224-6163 W 801-486-7121
Rep. Nora B. Stephens [e-mail] 801-825-3792
Rep. A. Lamont Tyler [e-mail] H 801-272-1218 W 801-581-6920
Rep. Richard L. Walsh [e-mail] 801-561-5169

5. Please try to attend Thursday's committee meetings.
6. I hope to see (and meet) many of you at Sen. Hatch's "Town Meeting" this
evening!  Hilton Hotel, 7 or 7:30 PM (the invitations aren't consistent!)

Thanks again for your hard work and support!

Sarah


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