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utah-firearms-digest    Saturday, November 13 1999    Volume 02 : Number 166




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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 99 11:56:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: FW: GOA on GOOD NEWS for FREEDOM

Good News For Those Who Love Freedom -- Congress torpedoes free speech
restrictions, National ID card

Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102,
Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: [phone] / FAX: [phone]
http://www.gunowners.org

(Friday, October 22, 1999) -- Gun owners cheered this week when efforts to
squelch free speech were shelved for the year.  Senator Mitch McConnell
(R-KY) was the mastermind behind the successful filibuster that killed
legislation limiting the political speech of ordinary Americans.

Supporters of the Senate bill (S. 1593) fell seven votes short of breaking
the McConnell filibuster.  While the Senate bill definitely had its
problems, the House version (H.R. 417) would have severely restricted the
ability of groups like GOA to report on incumbents' voting records during
the election season.  Killing the bill in the Senate effectively dooms the
egregious House bill.

GOA thanks its members for contacting their Senators in support of the
McConnell filibuster.

Gun Owners Dodge Registration As Congress Tears Up National ID Card

Gun Owners of America made a last-ditch effort recently to preserve
legislation effectively gutting the National ID card.  Thankfully, the hard
work paid off, and the National ID system that was supposed to go on line
next year is now dead.

Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) led the fight on the Hill against the National ID.
"This is a great moment for all Americans," he said. "Thousands of Americans
should feel great pride in knowing their calls and letters to Members of
Congress succeeded in stopping the National ID."

Under the provisions of legislation passed three years ago, no one would be
allowed after October 1, 2000 to purchase a gun, board a plane, open a bank
account, go to a doctor, enter a school or take a new, private sector job
without having a National ID card.

It is quite possible that the ID card could have become a vehicle for
encrypting all kinds of personal information on it, including a person's
fingerprints, gun owner status, etc.  The creation of a National ID card
could have easily facilitated attempts by anti-gun bureaucrats to register
innocent gun owners.

The House of Representatives killed the ill-conceived National ID plan in
the bill that funds the Transportation Department.  The legislation became
law on October 9.


Gun Owners To Benefit As Rep. Paul Moves To Rein In Executive Orders

Meanwhile, the House will be holding hearings next week on key legislation
introduced by Rep. Paul.  This bill will restrict the power of presidents to
legislate by Executive Order, or by any other type of presidential
proclamation or directive.  The bill is H.R. 2655, the Separation of Powers
Restoration Act.

It is not too difficult to imagine how an anti-gun President like Bill
Clinton could use these declarations to greatly abuse gun owners' rights.
Speaking on the topic of Executive Orders, former Clinton Advisor Paul
Begala was quoted in the New York Times on July 5, 1998, as saying, "Stroke
of the pen.  Law of the Land.  Kinda cool."

Of course, Executive Orders are not the only kind of presidential
proclamation that can violate gun owners' rights.  In November 1997, Clinton
issued a directive placing a 120-day freeze on the importation of certain
semi-automatic firearms.  His administration later followed with an outright
ban, thus keeping 58 firearms from ever coming into the country again.
Paul's legislation would deny Presidents the opportunity to ban guns by
executive fiat.

Gun owners should ask their Representatives to cosponsor H.R. 2655. You can
call the Capitol at 202-225-3121. Please see the GOA website for fax and
e-mail contact info.


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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 99 11:56:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: FW: Candor Control

Washington Bulletin: National Review's Internet Update for 11/4/99
http://www.nationalreview.com/
by Ramesh Ponnuru and John J. Miller

CANDOR CONTROL
Finally, some honesty from the anti-gun crowd: In today's New York Times,
Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center, admits
(1) that his goal is a ban on handguns and (2) that most of the lesser gun
controls being discussed couldn't conceivably achieve much. But not even
Sugarmann wants an honest debate on this proposal in Congress. Instead, he
thinks that Congress should "give the Treasury Department health and safety
authority over the gun industry." He continues, "[A]ny rational regulator
with that authority would ban handguns." A short op-ed, yet how much it
reveals about the anti-gun movement's coercive ambitions, refusal to
concede rationality to its opponents, and undemocratic instincts.

QUOTE UNQUOTE
Mark Steyn in today's National Post, on Ted Kennedy's recent references to
the Stockpile Stewardship Program as the "Stockpile Stewardess Program":
"No doubt his aides were quietly relieved the senator hasn't spoken out on
behalf of the Comprehensive Breast Tan Treaty. Still, we all know where Ted
stands on the issue: He's in favour of arms control and, as a guy whose
arms could use controlling, he knows whereof he speaks."



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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 99 11:56:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: FW: Hit Back at Anti-Gunners - Citizens Of America Update 1/2

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To: [e-mail]
From: "Weldon Clark" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hit Back at Anti-Gunners - Citizens Of America Update
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 1999 18:42:16 -0500

Hit Back at Anti-Gunners - Citizens Of America Update--from Russ Howard

COA has received nearly $4,000 in PLEDGES (not donations) from the
$100-squared match. Happily, nearly half of you who made pledges went
ahead and mailed in $100 donations even though we're far from the
$10,000 initial goal. Thanks to those donations, COA was able to
produce its first radio & print ads, many of which can be seen and
heard on the new web site:

www.citizensofamerica.org ... Check it out.

I especially recommend viewing the "Niggertown Saturday Night Special"
ad. Takes a while to load, but worth the wait. The ads are powerful
and they fulfill COA's implicit promise to - as my friend Fred Darling
once put it - "engage the enemy."

*** World Net Daily - national media exposure for COA -

COA recently made WorldNetDaily. The writer, John Dougherty, endorsed
the program and urged readers to donate. Here are some excerpts:

**********

'Assault' advertising supports guns...

"A violent blow to the window...breaks the silence of the night. A
woman gasps as she reaches for the phone... As the intruder enters...,
the woman...pleads for operators to answer... Instead...she is greeted
with..., "All lines are busy -- please hold for the next available
9-1-1 operator."

She panics. The intruder is moving towards her now, knife in hand...She
starts to scream but is muted by the intruder's hand -- or worse, his
weapon. Finally,..."9-1-1, what is your emergency?" The woman doesn't
answer..."Hello? Is anyone there?"... Silence. It's too late.

This...is...one of several scenarios being formulated into... radio, TV
& print ads by...L.A.-based...Citizens of America.., demonstrating the
hypocrisy of...Brady,...Feinstein, &... Schumer, all of whom have access
to personal security... paid for by the very taxpayers they deny similar
protection...

COA's approach is brilliant,...show...that...anti-gunners,... not...guns
in the hands of...responsible adults,...kill more people... In another ad,
a "criminal spokesperson"..."admits" what...real criminals have [said] for
years -- that they love anti-gun laws because they love...an unarmed victim...

Most refreshing...is the attitude of those who created this ad campaign.
They seem fed up with...compromising...gun makers & gun groups. On the
2nd Amendment, there is no compromising with the [il]liberal left. The
latter has one goal...--...banning...all guns...

COA's mission statement says it all: "There is a...need for a...group,
which can strike fast,...hard, and... without fear... COA will not be
apologetic, it will not play fair, it will hit below the belt whenever
the opportunity presents itself...To destroy those who are tampering
with 2nd Amendment freedom."...

Normally I don't do this, but it's late in the game and...we're all in
danger of losing our hedge against total tyranny... Visit the COA web
site...and send them some dough... My check's ...in the mail..."Preaching
to the choir" isn't good enough anymore; ...it's time to take the message
to the masses..."

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By space necessity, the chopped version above does little
justice to the full article. To read it go to:
www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_dougherty_com/19991013_xcjod_assault_ad.shtml

*** Radio Ads Already Running

Radio ads have already been run on at least 32 stations, free of charge,
primarily during interviews of COA founders. Also, many people have
written COA requesting permission to run COA ads on their local station at
their own expense. So many that COA is developing a program to enable it.

This adopt-an-ad program involves an agreement wherein the person or group
sponsoring an ad is simply required to run it in full and unaltered. Those
who do this can expect to pay an average of about $400-450 for each spot
broadcast to an average audience of say, 250,000. Prices will vary depending
on how big the station is, etc., and some of you may have connections at
local stations who will run ads as public service announcements (PSAs).

The new program is innovative and powerful. If nothing else,
it's a confidence builder for COA's promise that every dollar
it gets goes into ads. To COA, the paramount issue is that the
ads are seen and heard. Advantages of adopting an ad include:

* Total control over your donation. You know it's spent
efficiently, since you're spending it.

* You choose the ads to run, so you can run your favorite ads.

* You can run ads where YOU think they're needed most. For example, you
may want to work on decreasing support for gun control in your own backyard,
and this way you can be sure your money gets there. And you may have
insight into the more productive places to run the ads in your local area.

* Force multiplier for COA. Scores of Citizens of America can be making
contact with stations, talk show hosts, etc., arranging for the ads to
run as PSAs.

Many gun rights supporters have become skeptical after the zillions of
wasteful direct mail fundraisers with the same tired pleas by you-know-who
to send money to pay for the next wasteful mailer -- well, that and
fat salaries & expense accounts; and sweetheart deals for vendors,
self-dealing Directors and gun-grabbing police-state Republicans.

You can't be sure if there's anything left over after all that, but
if there is, you have no control over it and no way to be sure it
won't be used to promote gun control schemes like safety-free school
zones, insta-reg, and Project Gun Gulag (AKA, Project Exile) under
which ALL existing gun laws will be enforced with "zero tolerance"
and gun "criminals" - including decent people who have already been
"caught" once exercising their rights - will be "exiled" to federal
concentration camps for minimum 5-year terms. (Oh hell, let's make
it life if you're "caught" 3 times carrying for self-defense or
possessing an "illegal" weapon.)

So for the skeptical among you who want accountability in your donations,
COA's program guarantees you get what you pay for and not what you don't.

Unfortunately, most of us don't have the dough to repeatedly run ads
for $450 a pop, so for us donating to COA is the way to go. And there
are advantages to running the ads through COA. For example, your
donation along with many others makes a large enough pool to enable
COA to get quantity discounts.

Other advantages include specialization of labor, AKA, "not having to
reinvent the wheel," and division of labor, AKA, "one person doing the
work of many." COA has access to savvy folks like Jim Houck who already
know the how, where, and when of running ads effectively and economically.

And you needn't worry about COA wasting your money or becoming the kind
of group you've come to tolerate (or loathe, as the case may be). As
Houck points out, COA doesn't even have memberships. Every freedom-loving
American is already considered a member.

But funding is not yet sufficient for a serious paid ad campaign. You
can help make that next step happen by digging deep and becoming part of
the 2ANews $100-squared match, or donating "more than you really should"!

To support the $10,000 match for COA, e-mail me with your
pledge at [e-mail], or simply mail donations to:

Citizens Of America
PMB 447
2118 WILSHIRE BLVD.
SANTA MONICA, CA 90403

For questions about this campaign, please contact COA's
President, Brian Puckett, at [e-mail]

- -- Russ Howard
[ Continued In Next Message... ]




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Date: Sat, 06 Nov 99 11:56:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: FW: Hit Back at Anti-Gunners - Citizens Of America Update 2/2

[ ...Continued From Previous Message ]
The Juvenile Justice Bill (Senate Bill S254) contains
provisions to track private sales at gun shows, producing
records that can be used against you in the future.

It is a registration of sale of a firearm. Registration is the one
thing that makes confiscation possible. Anti-gun politicians can only
steal guns if they have a record of firearms ownership. GET BETWEEN
THESE RECORDS AND YOUR GOVERNMENTS ANY WAY YOU CAN.

Call your Congressman and Senators, and the offices of these so-called
Republican leaders, and complain. Defeat the anti-gun provisions
including the "registration" of sales to the Juvenile Justice Bill.

You can call your two Senators at [phone] and your
Representative at [phone] at the Capitol Switchboard.
Here is the URL for Congressional Telephone Directory:
http://clerkweb.house.gov/106/mbrcmtee/members/teledir/members/cdframe.htm
For legislative updates contact www.nealknox.com and go to
"Scripts from the Firearms COAlition Legislative Update Line"

- -Weldon Clark

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We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which
feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity
forget that ye were our countrymen. -- Samuel Adams, speech at the
Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776.



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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 99 04:29:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: Fw: Why Orrin Must Go!

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To: [e-mail]
Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 16:14:59 -0600
Subject: FW: Why Orrin Must Go!
From: "Jim Dexter" <[e-mail]>

With socialists like Orrin who needs to worry about Chuckie Schumer?
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Orrin Hatch, Henry Hyde and the FBI:
- -- Just three reasons why you need to call your Congressmen soon!

Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: [phone] / FAX: [phone]
http://www.gunowners.org

"Juvenile justice is alive and well," said an aide to Sen. Hatch.
"Hatch met as late as last week with some of the [Congressional]
leaders, and it is not dead." -- Associated Press, 11/2/99

(Friday, November 5, 1999) -- The buzz in Washington right now is
that some of the moderates in the GOP leadership are desperately
trying to get a vote on the anti-gun juvenile crime bill before the
session ends next week. According to the Associated Press, Senator
Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Rep. Henry Hyde (R-IL) are the chief culprits
behind this sellout.

"I remain optimistic that some compromise is possible," said Hyde.
"Senator Hatch and I have pulled together a proposal that closes the
gun-show loophole and offers a number of other modest yet effective
gun safety provisions." But the truth be known, these proposals are
neither modest nor effective-- not to mention that they will not
result in additional safety.

While different drafts are being discussed, all have one thing in
common-- they all contain gun control. One of the main sticking
points is a waiting period requirement for private sales at gun shows.
According to the New York Times, "The latest Republican offer includes
a provision giving [the FBI] 24 hours to conduct the mandatory
background checks, unless that check turns up a disqualifying arrest....
In that event, the [FBI] would have three days to complete the check"
and find out the final disposition of the arrest.

There are other proposals as well, including a young adult gun ban,
a trigger lock requirement, and an import ban on large-capacity ammo
mags among other things. But regardless of the specifics, gun owners
should urge their Congressman one last time to vote NO on the
juvenile crime bill. (See ACTION below).

GOA Members Criticized By FBI As It Tries To Divert Attention Away
From Its Dirty Laundry

Just a few miles away from Capitol Hill, the FBI issued an interesting
report on Monday entitled Project Megiddo. The report tries to shift
public attention away from the FBI's long list of scandals to a
problem of their own invention-- namely, the threat of "right wing"
terrorism at the turn of the century.

The report itself admits there are "very few indications" of specific
threats to domestic security. Nevertheless, the report goes out of its
way to take a whack at the President's political opponents. Having
said that, guess who is listed in the report as being crucial to
"understanding the phenomenon of domestic terrorism"? You guessed it.
You are.

In an attempt to demonize Clinton's political opposition, the FBI has
listed gun owners as part of the domestic terrorism equation. In fact,
the report accuses GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt of helping to
"fuel the already existing paranoia of militia and patriot groups."

Hogwash. If the FBI is serious about not fueling existing paranoia,
then it should stop maintaining files on leading Americans (remember
Filegate?), and come clean on what it knows about Waco. The FBI took
six years to discover they had withheld information about Waco from
Congress, including their own use of pyrotechnic devises and the use
of the military the day the Davidians were burned to death. For more
information on this report and GOA's brief response to it, go to
http://www.gunowners.org/fs9904.htm at the GOA website. The entire
report is available from the FBI; you will need Adobe Acrobat to read
it. At http://www.fbi.gov/library/megiddo/publicmegiddo.pdf

ACTION: Tell your Congressmen that, in contrast to what the FBI is
saying, decent gun owners are not the problem in this country. Let
them know that we don't need gun control; we need government control.
Also, make sure they know that NO compromise gun legislation is
acceptable in the juvenile crime bill (S. 254 / H.R. 1501). You can
reach your Senators and Representative at 202-225-3121 or toll-free
at 877-722-7494.

Even the ACLU opposes the bill (albeit for different reasons). They
have established a free Congressional fax service that can be
accessed at http://www.aclu.org/action/juvenile106.html on their
website. GOA's Auto-Mailer at http://www.gunowners.org/mailerx.html
can be used to send e-mail to Congress.

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GOA continues to seek online newspaper stories of citizens using a gun
in lawful self-defense. In particular, stories from smaller market
newspaper websites are needed. As you know, the national media rarely
picks up stories of this type. Please forward any such stories you run
across to GOA.



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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 11:13:59 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: ALERT! Orrin Hatch on Doug Wright Show!

Attachments mentioned won't make it through, but try to call in and give
Hatch a good working over.

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
<[e-mail]>

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I have just heard this morning that Orrin Hatch will be on the Doug
Wright
show on KSL radio.  I'm not sure at what time this show is presented, but
I
have included a link to KSL radio, which you can receive by Web.Also, I
have attached a file (in Word and WP formats) prepared by Gun Owners of
America that documents votes by Hatch attacking your right to keep and
bear
arms.  Orrin needs to be asked why he supports legislation that imprisons
law-abiding gun owners for exercising their right of self-defense
guaranteed by the Second Amendment.  He also need to be asked whether he
will allow S. 254 to come out of the conference committee with any gun
control legislation included.

http://www.ksl.com/radio/

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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:05:04 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Alert: Leg. Gun control

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Charles C. Hardy
<[e-mail]>

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Legislators meeting:

What: Gun Control
When: 7pm  Nov. 10
Where: West Jordan High School (About 7900 So 2700 West)

Meetings are being held all over Utah.  Please don't let the excuse for
more gun control be, only gun control supporters were there, and not gun
advocates.

If you care about the gun issue, please be there.

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 15:42:56 -0700
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Oct. 20 column -- women need guns

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
<[e-mail]>

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From: [e-mail] (Vin Suprynowicz)

    FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED OCT. 20, 1999
    THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
    Give these women guns


    The newspapers reported Donna Hernandez of Las Vegas did everything
she
could to protect herself. Fearing that her estranged husband was going to
kill her, she repeatedly informed the police that she feared for her
life.
She even went to court and got protection orders.

  Seven of them.

  It didn't help. Two weeks ago, Donna Hernandez was found stabbed and
strangled in her home. Her ex-husband is now in jail, facing murder
charges.

  About a third of all slayings in the Las Vegas Metro police
jurisdiction
stem from domestic violence. In October of 1997, 17-year-old Maureen
McConaha obtained a protective order against her ex-boyfriend. Weeks
later,
she was shot to death. The ex-boyfriend, Johnny Walker, is awaiting trial
on murder charges.

  In January of 1998, police found Judy and Ronnie Norman dead inside the
couple's Las Vegas home. Next to their bodies police found a protective
order that Judy Norman had taken out against her husband. Police ruled
the
deaths a murder-suicide.

  In October of last year, Brenda Denise James was shot to death in front
of her six children, days after she applied for and received a protective
order against her ex-boyfriend, Robert Lee Carter, 30. A murder charge
against Carter is pending.

  While court-issued protective orders are "a good tool for law
enforcement, they don't stop a bullet or knife, and we need to make sure
everyone knows  that," offers Clark County Domestic Violence Commissioner
Patricia Doninger.

  "We have to find a better way to protect people like Donna Hernandez,"
says a frustrated District Judge Nancy Saitta.

  But that better way has long been available. God may have made women,
but
Colonel Colt made women equal, and carrying the tool he invented remains
the constitutional right of every American.

  The problem is, so far as can be determined, Donna Hernandez, Maureen
McConaha, and Brenda Denise James did (start ital)not(end ital) do
everything they could to protect themselves and their children: They did
not buy and carry handguns, and acquire the skill to use them.

  Police cannot provide an armed bodyguard for every woman who's been
threatened. Therefore, police should actively recommend that such women
acquire appropriate, effective weapons for self-defense, and the minimal
training necessary to handle them safely.

  In fact, if any arbitrary "background check" or "concealed-carry
permit"
paperwork delays stand in the way of a woman who holds such a valid
"protection order" and wishes to acquire a handgun, our state lawmakers
- --
and particularly U.S. Rep. Shelley Berkley, a proponent of women's rights
and an avowed supporter of the Second Amendment -- should immediately
introduce legislation to provide for an instant waiver of any such
waiting
periods or bureaucratic delays, authorizing the immediate, legal
placement
of a handgun in any such woman's purse.

  Those with an irrational phobia of firearms -- though they would never
propose that we send our boys to Bosnia armed with nothing more than a
whistle on a key ring -- will whine that "A woman is in greater danger if
she has a gun; the assailant will just take it away and use it on her."

  In fact, Gary Kleck, professor of criminology at Florida State
University
in Tallahassee, examined the statistical evidence for that concern in his
book, "Targeting Guns."

  Guns are taken away from their owner and used by an assailant in fewer
than 1 percent of defensive handgun uses, Professor Kleck determined. Nor
is there any indication that more widespread gun ownership would turn our
neighborhoods into "shooting galleries": Dr. Kleck also found that in
more
than 90 percent of defensive handgun uses, the weapon isn't even fired.

  "It's one of the great lies of the anti-gun people, that people are so
incompetent that they're going to have their guns taken away from them,"
says David Kopel, research director of the Independence Institute in
Golden, Colo. and author of the book "Guns: Who Should Have Them?"

  In fact, if the authorities would send out a notice that the victim is
now armed, along with the court "keep-away" order, most of these attacks
might never occur, at all.

  "There's very strong evidence that knowledge that victims have guns is
a
great deterrent to attacking," adds Don Kates, a criminologist with the
Pacific Research Institute in California. "The National Institute of
Justice has sponsored extensive surveys of criminals in prisons, and ...
they attest that they were far less likely to commit crimes against
people
when they knew that they were likely to be armed.

  "The other thing is, it is universally reported that women respond much
better to firearms training than men do, because the problem with men is
that their testosterone levels get in the way," Mr. Kates explains.
"They're supposed to already know about guns, and so you have to get them
to unlearn things that they know that are wrong, and they're very
stubborn
about that."

  So, if at-risk women find it easy to learn to use guns safely and
effectively, why aren't they all urged by authorities to go out and get
themselves a Smith & Wesson?

  "That's to admit that the whole system is a complete failure," explains
criminologist Kates. "Notice that the whole thing with restraining orders
is a failure designed to remedy a failure. We already have laws against
violence, so why do we need restraining orders? Because police won't
enforce laws against violence within the family."

  October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month, a time when our political
leaders annually call on us to reflect on the number of domestic-violence
incidents that occur each year, and to take action to stop them.

  OK then. Let's stop mooning and moaning. Let's do something that works.

  It's not big, sturdy men who fear to be the last person leaving the
shopping mall late at night, walking across that darkened parking lot.
It's
America's women.

  Let's really reduce violence against our womenfolk. Let's give them
guns.


Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas
Review-Journal. His new book, "Send in the Waco Killers," is available at
1-800-244-2224, or via web site
http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html.

***




Vin Suprynowicz,   [e-mail]

"The evils of tyranny are rarely seen but by him who resists it." -- John
Hay, 1872

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed --
and
thus clamorous to be led to safety -- by menacing it with an endless
series
of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." -- H.L. Mencken

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 99 07:56:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: FW: Hatch selling out again!

Will not one deliver us from Senator Jerk?
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Orrin Hatch is at it again, selling out your gun rights. He and Leavitt
were told at the Ogden convention (by vote remember?) not to restrict guns.

Well, good old boy Hatch (and Leavitt) I reckon have taken a gander at it,
and must have come to the conclusion, we common folk are just to dumb for
our own good. He's gonna doer any way (take away our gun rights), of
course, for our best interest.

I strongly encourage you to read this report. To me this shows Orrin Hatch
more interested in becoming Pres. than representing Utah. (Like that would
surprise you!)

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Summary:

* Orrin Hatch & Henry Hyde are the ones behind the selling out of your gun
rights

* Hyde said "Senator Hatch and I have pulled together a proposal that
closes the gun-show loophole and offers a number of other modest yet
effective gun safety provisions." [Oh thanks Orrin, you should run
for Vise Pres. with Al Bore, (OOPs) Gore.]

* Giving [the FBI] 24 hours to 3 days in order to conduct the mandatory
background checks. [This would eliminate gun shows.]

* Waiting period requirement for private sales.
[If this is not gun registration, what is?]

* The FBI has listed gun owners as part of the domestic terrorism equation.
[I don't think you a terrorist.]

* Project Megiddo
[This is worth reading]

* ACTION: Tell your Congressmen that, in contrast to what the FBI is
saying, decent gun owners are not the problem in this country. Let them
know that we don't need gun control; we need government control. Senators
and Representative at 202-225-3121 or toll-free at 877-722-7494.

* Even the ACLU opposes the bill (albeit for different reasons).

* More ways to contact below.

Orrin Hatch, Henry Hyde and the FBI: -- Just three reasons why you need to
call your Congressmen soon!

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From GOA

"Juvenile justice is alive and well," said an aide to Sen. Hatch. "Hatch met
as late as last week with some of the [Congressional] leaders, and it is not
dead." -- Associated Press, 11/2/99

(Friday, November 5, 1999) -- The buzz in Washington right now is that some
of the moderates in the GOP leadership are desperately trying to get a vote
on the anti-gun juvenile crime bill before the session ends next week.
According to the Associated Press, Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Rep. Henry
Hyde (R-IL) are the chief culprits behind this sellout.

"I remain optimistic that some compromise is possible," said Hyde. "Senator
Hatch and I have pulled together a proposal that closes the gun-show
loophole and offers a number of other modest yet effective gun safety
provisions." But the truth be known, these proposals are neither modest nor
effective-- not to mention that they will not result in additional safety.

While different drafts are being discussed, all have one thing in common--
they all contain gun control. One of the main sticking points is a waiting
period requirement for private sales at gun shows. According to the New York
Times, "The latest Republican offer includes a provision giving [the FBI]
24 hours to conduct the mandatory background checks, unless that check turns
up a disqualifying arrest.... In that event, the [FBI] would have three days
to complete the check" and find out the final disposition of the arrest.

There are other proposals as well, including a young adult gun ban, a
trigger lock requirement, and an import ban on large-capacity ammo mags
among other things. But regardless of the specifics, gun owners should
urge their Congressman one last time to vote NO on the juvenile crime
bill. (See ACTION below).


GOA Members Criticized By FBI As It Tries To Divert Attention Away From Its
Dirty Laundry

Just a few miles away from Capitol Hill, the FBI issued an interesting
report on Monday entitled Project Megiddo. The report tries to shift public
attention away from the FBI's long list of scandals to a problem of their
own invention-- namely, the threat of "right wing" terrorism at the turn of
the century.

The report itself admits there are "very few indications" of specific
threats to domestic security. Nevertheless, the report goes out of its way
to take a whack at the President's political opponents. Having said that,
guess who is listed in the report as being crucial to "understanding the
phenomenon of domestic terrorism"? You guessed it. You are.

In an attempt to demonize Clinton's political opposition, the FBI has listed
gun owners as part of the domestic terrorism equation. In fact, the report
accuses GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt of helping to "fuel the already
existing paranoia of militia and patriot groups."

Hogwash. If the FBI is serious about not fueling existing paranoia, then it
should stop maintaining files on leading Americans (remember Filegate?), and
come clean on what it knows about Waco. The FBI took six years to discover
they had withheld information about Waco from Congress, including their own
use of pyrotechnic devises and the use of the military the day the Davidians
were burned to death. For more information on this report and GOA's brief
response to it, go to http://www.gunowners.org/fs9904.htm at the GOA
website. You will need Adobe Acrobat to read the report, available from
the FBI at http://www.fbi.gov/library/megiddo/publicmegiddo.pdf

ACTION: Tell your Congressmen that, in contrast to what the FBI is saying,
decent gun owners are not the problem in this country. Let them know that
we don't need gun control; we need government control. Also, make sure they
know that NO compromise gun legislation is acceptable in the juvenile crime
bill (S. 254 / H.R. 1501). You can reach your Senators and Representative
at 202-225-3121 or toll-free at 877-722-7494.

Even the ACLU opposes the bill (albeit for different reasons). They have
established a free Congressional fax service that can be accessed on their
website at http://www.aclu.org/action/juvenile106.html GOA's Auto-Mailer at
http://www.gunowners.org/mailerx.html can be used to send e-mail to Congress.



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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 20:30:37 -0700
From: "Will Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Hatch selling out again!

>
> Will not one deliver us from Senator Jerk?
> ------------------------------------------

No....
"We have met the enemy it is us"
WE elected the pig.  WE are responsible for him.
WE must dethrone him.  No one is going to _deliver_
us, we must deliver ourselves, and apologise to
the rest of the country for what we have done.

See below.

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Save the Second Amendment and the Constitution:
Replace US Senator Orrin G. Hatch

Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund
(A Project of Gun Owners of America)
E-Mail/FAX Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: [phone] / FAX: [phone]
http://www.gunowners.org

Thursday, August 12, 1999


Utah Senator Orrin G. Hatch no longer represents his gun-owning,
freedom loving, and Constitution-minded constituents.  In recent
years, his voting record on firearms issues has moved in the
direction of his close personal friend and colleague, the
ultra-liberal Ted Kennedy!  Most recently Senator Hatch enlisted the
assistance of Senators Kennedy, Schumer, and others to obtain Senate
passage of his S. 254 (the "Juvenile Crime bill").  This legislation
contains several provisions attacking gun owners, including
provisions that would:

   * Restrict or ban safe and lawful firearms use by young persons
and imprison their parents for clerical violations;

   * Ban importation of personal defense ammunition magazines greater
than 10 rounds;

   * Require all gun show attendees to present photo identification
for permanent registration in a BATF log book;

   * Enable future legislation requiring all firearms to be locked
up, preventing their use for self-defense; and,

   * Threaten gun show operators with jail if even one person buys a
gun without the instant background/registration check.  This could
make gun shows a thing of the past.


If You Help, Senator Hatch Can Be Replaced

Senator Hatch must win in next year's elections to continue
"representing" Utah's gun owners.  His greatest vulnerability will
occur on Monday, March 27, at 7 PM.  On this evening delegates for
the County and State Conventions will be elected at neighborhood
caucus meetings throughout the state.  These delegates will
determine the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate, and almost
certainly Utah's next Senator.  If approximately 2200
pro-Constitution delegates are elected to the State Convention, Utah
will no longer be shamed by the anti-gun advocacy of Orrin Hatch.


What You Must Do Now!

1. Contact one of GOA's volunteer coordinators to identify yourself
as a supporter of the gun owner campaign to replace Orrin Hatch.
Please contact either Arnold Gaunt or Sarah Thompson, preferably via
e-mail, as follows:

Arnold Gaunt
PO Box 1096
Clearfield, UT 84089-1096
[phone]
[e-mail]

Dr. Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091-1185
[phone]
[e-mail]

2. Commit to attend the neighborhood caucus meetings at 7:00 PM on
March 27, 2000, and gain the commitments of family, friends, and
associates to do the same.


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