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utah-firearms-digest      Friday, August 27 1999      Volume 02 : Number 155




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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:12:47 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Misinformation Fueling Nation's Furor Over Guns

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=3D/chronicle/archive/1999/08=
/17/ED8694.DTL=20

Freegards, Bob=20

Misinformation Fueling Nation's Furor Over Guns=20

Law-abiding owners of firearms tarred by media's brush Jarold Hayden =
Tuesday, August 17, 1999=20

THOSE WHO SUPPORT law-abiding gun ownership feel that a war of misinformati=
on is being waged against them. Citizens who support the Second Amendment =
know that it is they who are blamed for the criminal actions of the =
few.=20

Every time some nut-case or felon wreaks mayhem, the media point their =
fingers at gun advocates, saying it is the proliferation of guns that =
leads to these events.=20

But in times past, when almost every man owned a gun as a necessary tool =
for his survival, such wanton slaughter was rare.=20

Gun control is promoted as a cure for the tragedies that have grabbed =
headlines in recent months. But is our government doing a good job with =
the laws that already exist?=20

We have seen Sarah Brady, President Clinton and Janet Reno laud the Brady =
Bill for preventing more than 400,000 firearms purchases by those who are =
prohibited from buying a gun. This success story has been hyped by the =
media.=20

What is ignored is the fact that fewer than 20 of those criminal attempts =
to buy a gun have been followed up by prosecution. Because convicted =
felons are prohibited from ever owning a gun, trying to buy one is an =
offense that should send them back to prison.=20

Why hasn't this been happening, and where is all the public outrage?=20

If the National Rifle Association controls Congress, it is gun control =
advocates who control the media. Groups such as Handgun Control Inc. can =
win an ever-ready audience with reporters with a simple press release, =
while gun rights groups are ignored.=20

Information touted as fact is never questioned. Vicious crimes that don't =
involve guns often slip into obscurity, while those that do merit banner =
headlines.=20

When touting gun-violence statistics, 20,000 U.S. suicides are added to =
the list of 16,000 homicides, as well as the 1,000 accidents and 1,500 =
justifiable homicides (such as police shootings of armed criminals).=20

Japan, with virtually no gun murders, is held up as a paradise of peace. =
Yet Japan is not without its share of tragedy. The United States, with 270 =
million citizens, has about 31,000 suicides a year; Japan with 131 million =
has 30,000. A suicide victim who doesn't use a gun is just as dead.=20

The graphics on television broadcasts and in the newspapers frequently =
depict a silhouetted gun to represent violent crime, often whether or not =
a gun was actually used.=20

Two days after the slaughter in Atlanta, a San Francisco news broadcast =
characterized the murders as 12 shootings, forgetting the gruesome fact =
that the killer's own family was beaten to death with a hammer.=20

While every incident involving a gun at school has been given prominent =
attention by the media, there was another school tragedy in the week =
following Littleton. In Costa Mesa, a mentally deranged man used a car to =
mow down seven children at a private day-care center, killing two of them. =
Where were the reporters, the news cameras, the live broadcasts from that =
crime scene?=20

Sometimes the anti-gun rhetoric culminates in absurd results. In San =
Francisco, educators indoctrinate our children with the idea that guns are =
intrinsically evil. The natural evolution of this propaganda was an =
attempt by the school board to ban police from carrying guns on campus!=20

Guns can be a vital tool to prevent violence when wielded by those on the =
right side of the law. It is frustrating for supporters of the Second =
Amendment to see facts bent to support a political agenda.=20

Too often we have seen deranged killers inexplicably destroy innocent =
lives before the madmen are killed or captured. But guns are a small part =
of that picture. Some mass killers have set disastrous fires or planted =
bombs. And who can or would want to understand the mind of a mother who =
strangles her own three children?=20

There are no simple answers here, only the horror of wasted lives struck =
down by enraged strangers, or by those who should have loved them. We need =
to look deeper; we can't expect knee-jerk legislation to solve this =
ghastly conundrum.=20

Jarold Hayden is a contractor and carpenter who lives in San Francisco.

1999 San Francisco Chronicle Page A19 _____________________________________=
__________________________________________ ________________________________=
_______________________________________________=20


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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:31:47 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Operation We the People

Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:10:41 -0500=20
From: [e-mail] (schuetzen)=20

Subject: (fwd) [BP-L] Gun Rights Organization On=20

Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:35:18 -0700 (PDT),=20

Rich Walden <[e-mail]> wrote: From: Rich Walden <[e-mail]>=
=20

Dear armed Americans, Advertising Creative Director, Jim Houck, working =
with the Lawyers Second Amendment Society (LSAS, www.rightguide.com/Links/l=
sas.htm), has formed a non-profit corporation for the sole purpose of =
giving all American firearms owners, big and small, a way to strike back =
and strike back hard against the Rights Killers.=20

After repeated attempts to work with NRA and GOA, Mr. Houck made the =
decision, along with the LSAS, to form an elite commando-style organization=
 in order to bypass bureaucracy and time-consuming political red tape and =
get into the fight.=20

The NRA and GOA have a role in this fight and are doing all they can and =
are to be credited with such.=20

But there is an overwhelming need for an operational group which can =
strike fast, strike hard and strike without fear of political reprisal. =
This is such a group. Every dollar received will go into extremely =
aggressive advertising, TV, print, radio, outdoor and guerilla, with a =
single purpose, to destroy those who are tampering with 2nd Amendment =
freedom. This campaign will not be apologetic, it will not play fair, it =
will hit below the belt whenever the opportunity presents itself, it will =
not take prisoners. In short, it will be very aggressive and very =
effective.=20

There are some people out there who would like to get into the fight, but =
for career reasons or political reasons cannot. Here is your chance. There =
are many who would like to get into the fight, but have no way of doing =
so. Now you can take a swing directly at the teeth of people like Chuck =
Schumer, impeached-President Bill Clinton, Sarah Brady, you name it. The =
campaign will be created and managed by Creative Director, Jim Houck, a =
career advertising professional who has done work for bluechip clients =
like Toyota, DIESEL Jeans, Mitusibishi, Procter & Gamble, Sony, The Miami =
Heat Professional Basketball Team and Sunglass Hut International, to name =
a few. The company has been created by and will be managed by attorney Dan =
Schultz of the LSAS.=20

Creative campaigns are in progress and will be operational as soon as a =
budget has been amassed and media buys can be made.=20

Please make copies and forward to all concerned parties.=20

Send your checks (NO CASH, WE'RE PLAYING BY THE BOOK AND EXPECT AUDITS AND =
CLAIMS OF THEFT FROM THE RIGHTS KILLERS) immediately to: LAWYERS SECOND =
AMENDMENT SOCIETY=20
PMB 447 2118 WILSHIRE BLVD.=20
SANTA MONICA, CA 90403=20

In the memo section of your check write 'Operation We the People'. As you =
may have noticed, we have purposely located in the heart of enemy =
territory.=20

Already I have been asked what my response will be to those who question =
my advertising on the grounds of political correctness. Considering that =
'political correctness2' is a ten dollar way of saying 'censorship', my =
official response is, screw'em.=20

Going to war, Jim Houck Creative Director, Los Angeles [e-mail]=
t=20


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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:09:30 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Orrin Hatch on KSL 1:00 8-19-99

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This may be a good opportunity to publicly confront the good senator on
converting himself into a leader of the anti-gun movement and doing his =
best
to erode civil rights.

GOA in their 08-16-99 alert wrote:

This is a time to directly confront legislators. Ask the
local office if there are any town meetings scheduled. If so, be
sure to attend and make gun rights a central part of the discussion.
Have a friend seated away from you to "follow up" on your point when
the politician tries to duck your question. And above all, spread
the word. Get other pro-gun friends and family to make calls as
well. The message is simple: THERE IS NO GUN CONTROL THAT IS
ACCEPTABLE.


If you need more ammunition to confront Senator Hatch, consider the August
12, 1999 GOA alert:

Save the Second Amendment and the Constitution:
Replace US Senator Orrin G. Hatch

Gun Owners of America Political Victory Fund
(A Project of Gun Owners of America)
E-Mail/FAX Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: [phone] / FAX: [phone]
http://www.gunowners.org=20

Thursday, August 12, 1999


Utah Senator Orrin G. Hatch no longer represents his gun-owning,
freedom loving, and Constitution-minded constituents.  In recent
years, his voting record on firearms issues has moved in the
direction of his close personal friend and colleague, the
ultra-liberal Ted Kennedy!  Most recently Senator Hatch enlisted the
assistance of Senators Kennedy, Schumer, and others to obtain Senate
passage of his S. 254 (the "Juvenile Crime bill").  This legislation
contains several provisions attacking gun owners, including
provisions that would:

  * Restrict or ban safe and lawful firearms use by young persons
and imprison their parents for clerical violations;

  * Ban importation of personal defense ammunition magazines greater
than 10 rounds;

  * Require all gun show attendees to present photo identification
for permanent registration in a BATF log book;

  * Enable future legislation requiring all firearms to be locked
up, preventing their use for self-defense; and,

  * Threaten gun show operators with jail if even one person buys a
gun without the instant background/registration check.  This could
make gun shows a thing of the past.


If You Help, Senator Hatch Can Be Replaced

Senator Hatch must win in next year's elections to continue
"representing" Utah's gun owners.  His greatest vulnerability will
occur on Monday, March 27, at 7 PM.  On this evening delegates for
the County and State Conventions will be elected at neighborhood
caucus meetings throughout the state.  These delegates will
determine the Republican candidate for the U.S. Senate, and almost
certainly Utah's next Senator.  If approximately 2200
pro-Constitution delegates are elected to the State Convention, Utah
will no longer be shamed by the anti-gun advocacy of Orrin Hatch.


What You Must Do Now!

1. Contact one of GOA's volunteer coordinators to identify yourself
as a supporter of the gun owner campaign to replace Orrin Hatch.
Please contact either Arnold Gaunt or Sarah Thompson, preferably via
e-mail, as follows:

Arnold Gaunt
PO Box 1096
Clearfield, UT 84089-1096
[phone]
[e-mail]=20

Dr. Sarah Thompson
PO Box 1185
Sandy, UT 84091-1185
[phone]
[e-mail]=20

2. Commit to attend the neighborhood caucus meetings at 7:00 PM on
March 27, 2000, and gain the commitments of family, friends, and
associates to do the same.


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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 99 12:28:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: FW: GOUtah! Alert #27 - 20 August 1999

GOUtah!
Gun Owners of Utah

Utah's Uncompromising, Independent Gun Rights Network.
No Compromise. No Retreat. No Surrender. Not Now. Not Ever.

Visit our website at http://www.slpsa.org/goutah!

GOUtah! Alert #27 - 20 August 1999

Today's Voice of Liberty:

"Liberty lies in the hearts and minds of men and women. When it dies there,
no constitution, no law, no court can save it."--Justice Learned Hand

If you wish to be added to the GOUtah! list, please log onto our website
at http://www.slpsa.org/goutah! or send an e-mail to [e-mail]
or send a fax to [phone] asking to be added to the GOUtah! list.


DPS/BCI CCW Renewal Policy Revisions

An Update from Shirley Spain of Concealed Carry Specialists, Utah's major
CCW trainers.

I just got off the phone with Joyce Carter at BCI. We might want to let
(Utah CCW) permit holders know the following:

1. DPS/BCI has moved. They are NO LONGER located in the Calvin Rampton
building at 4501 South 2700 West. Their NEW address is: 3888 West 5400
South, right behind McDonalds. Their phone number, however, is still the
same [phone]. Their mailing address is PO BOX 148280, SLC, UT
84114-8280

2. The permit renewal process has also changed. They are still not sending
out renewal notice and permitees still have a 30-day grace period to renew.
Now here's the change. IF the permitee goes past the 30-day grace period,
he/she has TWELVE MONTHS from the expiration date of their permit to renew
as long as they pay a $7.50 late fee. NO REAPPLICATION NECESSARY ANYMORE!!!!!
That means: No fingerprints. No photo. No notary of application. No letters
of character reference. No $59 fee!

3. BCI is striving to do whatever they can to help the renewal process
including:

- - Providing instructors (at instructor's request) with renewal forms

- - Faxing a renewal app. to the permitee, at the permittee's request

- - Making the renewal app. available via the Internet at:
http://www.bci.state.ut.us

Joyce told me that the NEW renewal process went into effect July 1.

Utah's Orrin Hatch Ends Up Dead Last in
Iowa Straw Poll for GOP Presidential Hopefuls

Utah's Senior U.S. Senator Orrin Hatch finished ninth of the nine GOP
presidential hopefuls in the recent Iowa Straw Poll. George W. Bush was
declared the winner, followed by Steve Forbes and Liz Dole. The Iowa Straw
Poll is a pay-to-vote 'beauty contest' for Iowa GOP voters and has no
direct bearing on the GOP nomination still a year away, but is considered
an indicator of a candidate's ability to organize, raise funds, connect
with the voters and present a message and a public image which will enable
them to make a viable run for national office.

Lamar Alexander, the sixth place finisher, has withdrawn from the race,
indicating he cannot run an effective campaign with that low level of voter
support, which was several times greater than that of Hatch. Several of the
key staff on former Vice President Dan Quayle's campaign have bolted to
other candidate's campaigns. Senator Hatch immediately left Iowa for New
Hampshire to campaign further.

Congress still has a conference committee report on S.254, the juvenile
crime bill, to complete. It is critical that no gun control provisions be
included in the conference report. GOUtah! is concerned that Senator Hatch
may be spending his time and resources on a clearly doomed presidential
bid, while ignoring or providing less than full attention to defeating the
anti-gun provisions of the conference report in Congress. We suggest you
contact Senator Hatch today and discuss your concerns about his current
political priorities with both him and his staff.

Sen. Orrin Hatch
131 Russell Office Bldg.
Washington, DC 20510-0001
DC Telephone [phone]
DC Fax [phone]
Local Office: 8042 Federal Bldg.
125 South State St.
SLC, Utah 8484138-1102
Utah Phone: [phone]
Utah Fax: [phone]
[e-mail]

GOUtah! Gun Rights (and Wrongs) Quote Watch.

"This is not a gun control issue. This is a safe campus issue."

- --DeVere Day, Student Body President, Snow College, commenting that
student leaders from Utah's colleges and universities will lobby
legislators for a total CCW and gun ban on campuses, as reported in the
Salt Lake Tribune, 16 August 1999

If you have a gun rights quote you'd like to share, please send it, along
with a verifiable original source reference to GOUtah!

This concludes the GOUtah! Political and Legislative Alert #27 - 20 August
1999. We hope this information will be of assistance to you in defending
your firearms rights. Remember that getting this information is meaningless
unless YOU ACT ON IT TODAY. If you just read it and dump it in the trash,
your gun rights, and the gun rights of future generations go in the trash
with it. Get involved, get active and get vocal!

Copyright 1999 by GOUtah! All rights reserved.


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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:08:21 -0600
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: Alert: Standard Examiner Lies and Poll

==================================================================
Charles C. Hardy
<[e-mail]>

- --------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Gunmoll <[e-mail]>

The Standard Examiner is running a special series on gun control.  While
they've made a superficial attempt to "appear" unbiased, the articles are

worse than anything you might find in the LA Times.

Among the idiocies:
Claiming that gun violence is increasing, when it is in fact decreasing.
Claiming that guns "mesmerize" people into committing
crimes.  (Interestingly they only do this to people "unfamiliar with
firearms", which seems like a good reason to implement mandatory firearms

familiarity classes!)
Promoting Kellerman's fraudulent study claiming that you're more likely
to
be murdered if you have a gun in your home.
They also push Project Exile, the NRA's plan to revoke the Bill of
Rights.

There's also a poll on whether you support more gun restrictions - and so

far the votes are overwhelmingly opposed - showing that at least some
people won't fall for this blatant propaganda.

You can find the articles at: http://www1.standard.net/se_news/guns.asp
The poll is at: http://www1.standard.net/polls/pollquestion.asp
The address for letters to the editor is [e-mail]



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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:35:15 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: Those Who Bend Their Guns Into Shovels...

From: [e-mail]=20
Subject: Those Who Bend Their Guns Into Shovels Will Shovel For Those Who =
Do Not
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:31:48 -0400

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THOSE WHO BEND THEIR GUNS into SHOVELS will SHOVEL for THOSE WHO DO NOT
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------

For a while anyway, if they are LUCKY !

Ever try blocking bullets with a pillow...
Or with a telephone ?
Or how about stopping a speeding car with your hands ?
Or how about blocking a machette with your forearms ?
Or a knife with your back, face, hands or torso ?

LENIN [Vladimir Israel Blanc Ilich Ulanyoff] Said:

For every man with a machine gun and I can control 100 men without.

ALL MASSACRES, including whatever actually happened to the Jews & others =
in Germany, the Christians in Russia, the Chinese in
China, the Hutus in Rwanda, the Serbs massacred in their own
lands, could not have happened until they were FIRST disarmed.

SHARE this with all people opposed to Private Gun Ownership.

Mass murder requires that the victims be unarmed.
- -------------------------------------------------

Remember this name: Thomas Glenn Terry.
By Ann Coulter
08/13/1999

Remember this name: Thomas Glenn Terry. It won't be bandied quite as much =
as "Mark O. Barton" over the next few weeks, but it should be. A few years =
ago two armed men burst into a Shoney's restaurant in Anniston, Alabama =
and herded the patrons and employees into a walk-in refrigerator, at gun =
point. =20

The robbers kept the manager behind for his assistance as they
looted the restaurant. One patron, however, also remained
behind. Thomas Glenn Terry had opted against being locked in a
refrigerator, and hid from the attackers under a table.

As one of the armed robbers ransacked the cash register,
another patroled the restaurant. When he came across Mr. Terry,
he pulled his gun.

But unlike the recent victims in Atlanta, this victim was
armed.  Using his own legally concealed handgun, Terry shot and
killed the robber. The other armed robber, who had had his gun
trained on the manager, then opened fire on Terry. Terry shot
back, mortally wounding the second robber. The two dozen
hostages were released unharmed. Only the criminals -- who had
been armed with stolen guns by the way -- didn't make it out
alive.

You probably hadn't heard of the Shoney's restaurant
incident. In the media's boundless capacity to stultify the
public with sensational news stories, they have made places like
Littleton, Colorado household names. But "Anniston, Alabama"
doesn't ring a bell.

A massacre is a story. Thwarting a massacre isn't. But once
you know about Anniston, and similar averted tragedies,
something will start to leap out at you as you read news
accounts of gunmen shooting scores of innocents.  Massacre
stories always include a terrifying account of how the killers
proceeded from victim to victim, pausing to reload, and shooting
again. Mass murder requires that the victims be unarmed.

Thomas Glenn Terry, though heroic, is not altogether unique.
Two years ago in Pearl, Mississippi a deranged student shot and
killed two of his classmates. Fortunately, Joel Myrick, the
assistant principal had a gun in his car. He prevented the
shooting from becoming a Littleton level massacre by holding the
student at gunpoint until the police arrived.

A year later, in Edinboro, Pennsylvania, a 14-year-old boy
opened fire at an eighth-grade graduation dance, killing a
teacher and wounding three others. A single murder did not
become a mass murder only because a near-by restaurant owner,
James Strand, happened to be armed. As the shooter stopped to
reload, Strand immobilized the shooter, holding him for over ten
minutes, until the police appeared. A lot of killing can be
accomplished in ten minutes when none of your victims is armed.

How long did it take the police to arrive in Atlanta? Barton
walked into one office building in Atlanta shot four people
dead, then left the building, ambled across the street, entered
another building, and killed at least five more people. As in
Littleton there are film clips of policemen scaling the
building's walls to rescue terrified and completely defenseless
people inside.

Most striking in the news reports of Barton's shooting spree
was this: Fully three hours after the shooting, some people were
still hiding in the building. Hiding. Waiting like pigs before
the slaughter. Because none of them was armed. None but the
madman.

But for some reason, the government's response is always to
disarm more citizens. Not to disarm itself, by the way, but to
disarm people other than the police who show up 15 minutes after
the shooting has begun. This isn't a complaint about the police,
they simply can't be everywhere at once. It's a plea for more
citizen guards. There may be bad citizens, but, let me remind
you, there are also bad police. Why are they the only ones don't
have to hide in their offices when madmen with guns show up?

More guns will not create more Mark Bartons. Guns can do a
lot of things, like protect you from lunatics, but they don't
make you criminally insane.  Consider Mr. Barton. The initial
reports have been that he killed his children because his stock
porfolio had declined. Well, that's a rational response. Whether
it was his stocks or his wife or the weather -- he killed his
children. This is a madman. In the absence of a gun, he could
have used an axe, a bomb, or a machette. One of the most
efficient murder sprees this century was accomplished not with
guns, but with machettes. Madmen in Rwanda murdered almost one million =
people in under four months.

If only Thomas Glenn Terry had been there.

Elbert A. Evans, Jr.
Colonel, USAF Retired
The Retired Officers Association
Sons of the American Revolution
8989 Beavers Nest Drive
Shreveport, LA 71129-8533
[phone]

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 99 20:47:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: ThoseWhoBendTheirGunsIntoShovelsWillShovelForThoseWhoDoNot

THOSE WHO BEND THEIR GUNS into SHOVELS will SHOVEL for THOSE WHO DO NOT

Remember this name: Thomas Glenn Terry.
By Ann Coulter
08/13/1999

Remember this name: Thomas Glenn Terry. It won't be bandied quite
as much as "Mark O. Barton" over the next few weeks, but it should
be. A few years ago two armed men burst into a Shoney's restaurant
in Anniston, Alabama and herded the patrons and employees into a
walk-in refrigerator, at gun point. The robbers kept the manager
behind for his assistance as they looted the restaurant. One patron,
however, also remained behind. Thomas Glenn Terry had opted against
being locked in a refrigerator, and hid from the attackers under a
table.

As one of the armed robbers ransacked the cash register, another
patroled the restaurant. When he came across Mr. Terry, he pulled
his gun.

But unlike the recent victims in Atlanta, this victim was armed.
Using his own legally concealed handgun, Terry shot and killed the
robber. The other armed robber, who had had his gun trained on the
manager, then opened fire on Terry. Terry shot back, mortally
wounding the second robber. The two dozen hostages were released
unharmed. Only the criminals -- who had been armed with stolen
guns by the way -- didn't make it out alive.

You probably hadn't heard of the Shoney's restaurant incident.
In the media's boundless capacity to stultify the public with
sensational news stories, they have made places like Littleton,
Colorado household names. But "Anniston, Alabama" doesn't ring
a bell.

A massacre is a story. Thwarting a massacre isn't. But once you
know about Anniston, and similar averted tragedies, something
will start to leap out at you as you read news accounts of gunmen
shooting scores of innocents. Massacre stories always include
a terrifying account of how the killers proceeded from victim
to victim, pausing to reload, and shooting again. Mass murder
requires that the victims be unarmed.

Thomas Glenn Terry, though heroic, is not altogether unique. Two
years ago in Pearl, Mississippi a deranged student shot and killed
two of his classmates. Fortunately, Joel Myrick, the assistant
principal had a gun in his car. He prevented the shooting from
becoming a Littleton level massacre by holding the student at
gunpoint until the police arrived.

A year later, in Edinboro, Pennsylvania, a 14-year-old boy opened
fire at an eighth-grade graduation dance, killing a teacher and
wounding three others. A single murder did not become a mass
murder only because a near-by restaurant owner, James Strand,
happened to be armed. As the shooter stopped to reload, Strand
immobilized the shooter, holding him for over ten minutes, until
the police appeared. A lot of killing can be accomplished in ten
minutes when none of your victims is armed.

How long did it take the police to arrive in Atlanta? Barton
walked into one office building in Atlanta shot four people dead,
then left the building, ambled across the street, entered another
building, and killed at least five more people. As in Littleton
there are film clips of policemen scaling the building's walls
to rescue terrified and completely defenseless people inside.

Most striking in the news reports of Barton's shooting spree was
this: Fully three hours after the shooting, some people were still
hiding in the building. Hiding. Waiting like pigs before the
slaughter. Because none of them was armed. None but the madman.

But for some reason, the government's response is always to disarm
more citizens. Not to disarm itself, by the way, but to disarm
people other than the police who show up 15 minutes after the
shooting has begun. This isn't a complaint about the police, they
simply can't be everywhere at once. It's a plea for more citizen
guards. There may be bad citizens, but, let me remind you, there
are also bad police. Why are they the only ones don't have to hide
in their offices when madmen with guns show up?

More guns will not create more Mark Bartons. Guns can do a lot of
things, like protect you from lunatics, but they don't make you
criminally insane. Consider Mr. Barton. The initial reports have
been that he killed his children because his stock porfolio had
declined. Well, that's a rational response. Whether it was his
stocks or his wife or the weather -- he killed his children. This
is a madman. In the absence of a gun, he could have used an axe,
a bomb, or a machete. One of the most efficient murder sprees this
century was accomplished not with guns, but with machetes. Madmen
in Rwanda murdered almost one million people in under four months.

If only Thomas Glenn Terry had been there.

Elbert A. Evans, Jr.
Colonel, USAF Retired
The Retired Officers Association
Sons of the American Revolution
8989 Beavers Nest Drive
Shreveport, LA 71129-8533
[phone]



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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:15:38 -0600
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: ALERT: Talk radio

>From: Gunmoll <[e-mail]>
>Subject: ALERT: Talk radio
>
>Aaron Zelman, Executive Director of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms
>Ownership (JPFO) will be a guest on Jack Stockwell's  radio show on
>Tuesday August 31, starting at 8 AM.  (The show runs from 7-10
>AM.)   Listen in on KTKK, AM 630, or on the web, at
>www.k-talk.com.  Better yet, you can call in and talk to Aaron yourself!
>
>Mr. Zelman is one of the foremost "no-compromise" defenders of the Second
>Amendment, and is also co-author (with science fiction writer and maybe
>presidential candidate L. Neil Smith) of _The Mitzvah_, a wonderful new book.
>
>For more information about JPFO, see www.jpfo.org.
>
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:56:12 -0600
From: "David Sagers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Send In The Waco Killers

Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:37:59 -0700 From: "Glen R. & Melinda Sue =
Parshall" <[e-mail]>=20

Subject: a GOOD Poll to vote for our side in!!=20

Hi - Most of you have heard about Vin Suprynowicz' book 'Send In The Waco =
Killers' by now. Many of you have ordered and read it. It has been selling =
VERY well, with copies even being ordered from around the world. He =
definitely is on our side - pro Liberty, pro Second Amendment w/ NO =
compromises, strings or permits attached, and opposed to government =
intervention in our lives. Here is a free and quick way to help spread his =
word.=20

Many of the larger book stores have not chosen to carry this book, saying =
such drivel as that they don't think it would sell well or that it is not =
main-stream enough, even though it is getting close to the time for a =
second edition in such a short time with word spreading mainly mouth to =
mouth. Random House is currently conducting a poll of readers choices for =
the top 100 non-fiction books of the century.=20

Vin's book hit #50 this morning and is still climbing! If we can get polls =
like this to reflect the sales of the book, it will be much harder for =
them to turn down the book for inclusion in their stores. If you would =
take a minute and go to this URL:=20

http://www.randomhouse.com/modernlibrary/100best/=20

and vote, it would be much appreciated. You can vote once a day, every day =
(and those votes over several days really do add up!)=20

This book is destined to reach the interest and sales levels of such =
pro-gun classics as 'Unintended Consequences' by John Ross. Look how hard =
he had getting his book out to the public. I had to wait until I saw him =
at a gun show to get mine, back when it first came out. BOTH books are =
definitely ones the klintonites don't want you to read. And of course, =
don't forget '101 Things to do until the Revolution' by Claire Wolfe when =
you are voting! Thanx! Glen PS - For more info on the book, check out =
Vin's web page at http://www.thespiritof76.com/wacokillers.html -- Glen R. =
Parshall mailto:[e-mail] mailto:[e-mail] =
mailto:[e-mail] ** ** RKBA! Join The Resistance! ** **=20


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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:07:08 -0600
From: charles hardy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: ALERT!  Don't be a victim!

==================================================================
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:21:19 -0600
From: "S. Thompson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fwd: ALERT: Christian Science Monitor Gun Poll

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>As Dave Jones likes to say, "This one's a no-brainer!"  Or at least it
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 99 11:11:00 -0700
From: [e-mail] (SCOTT BERGESON)
Subject: FW: Police oppose Canadian gun registration!

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:29:08 -0600
From: "Jim Dexter" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: FW: Police oppose Canadian gun registration!

The light at the end of the the tunnel may be a policeman's flashlight.

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Headline: Canada's cops rethink gun control
Byline: Tom Regan, Special to The Christian Science Monitor
Date: 08/26/1999

(HALIFAX, NOVA SCOTIA)
In a move that may have ramifications for the gun-control debate in the
United States, the Canadian Police Association (CPA) is considering
reversing its stand on gun registration.

Like police in the US, Canadian police have long been a bedrock of support
for stricter gun control. But yesterday at the CPA's annual meeting in
Regina, Saskatchewan, members took up a resolution to withdraw their
support for the Firearms Act, which many say in hindsight has become too
expensive and unworkable. The controversial Firearms Act, which took effect
in late 1998, requires all rifle and shotgun owners in Canada to register
their weapons by 2003.

The resolution, which will be voted on tomorrow and which has been brought
forward by the executive committee of the Saskatchewan Federation of Police
Officers (SFPO), has a 50-50 chance of passing, according to some police
officials.

If the CPA passes the resolution, the officials say, the Firearms Act's
standing with the public would be seriously undermined. "It will sound the
end bell," says Murray Grismer, a 13-year veteran of the police force in
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.

"The federal justice department has sent a deputy minister to Regina this
week to lobby the national association to support something that is already
a law," says Mr. Grismer, who serves as SFPO's spokesman. "To me, that says
the government knows that there is no concrete support for the bill with
the public and that it needs groups like the CPA in order to sell the law
to the public."

The Firearms Act is the latest major piece of gun-control legislation in
Canada, the first of which was passed in 1934. The country has been far
ahead of the US on such measures and can serve as a sort of test case for
Americans as they consider their own legislation.

A move in Canada toward less gun control could thus impact the direction of
lawmaking in the US. In September, a US congressional conference is
expected to hammer out new gun-control legislation in the wake of such
tragedies as the shootings at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colo.

So far, about 90,000 Canadians have complied with the new law. The
government estimates that about 28 percent of Canadians own firearms, a
figure somewhere between 7 million and 9 million. By comparison, one-third
of US households are estimated to have a gun. Statistics Canada, a
government agency in Ottawa, says there were 193 homicides that involved
firearms in Canada last year - 77 with a rifle and 99 with a handgun.
Overall, homicide figures in Canada hit a 30-year low. In the United
States, an average of 87 people a day are killed by firearms.

Grismer says many police are reexamining their initial support for the
Canadian act because it has turned out to be far more expensive than
originally forecast. Original estimates were about $85 million to create
the infrastructure to support the act; some people now say the total cost
could be about $200 million or more. Creating an accurate, accessible
database for police to track firearms has also proved to be much harder
than expected, especially since "criminals don't register their guns," says
Grismer.

"The government's own audit says the system is 80 to 90 percent inaccurate.
What value is that to me as a police officer? If I go into a domestic
dispute and use the system to do a check and it tells me that there is no
firearm in the dwelling, then even subconsciously, I let my guard down. And
if the system is wrong, then that's trouble."

The CPA resolution is just the latest move to undermine the act. Several
national gun-owner groups and six of the 10 provinces are challenging the
constitutionality of the law before the Canadian Supreme Court. They argue
that the federal government overstepped its authority when it imposed the
Firearms Act on the provinces. Many national firearms groups, such as the
National Firearms Association, are also calling on their membership to
ignore the law.

But those who support the act, including the Canadian Association of Chiefs
of Police, say that many of these arguments are misleading and that the act
is working as intended.

"Much has been said about the problems of smuggled handguns in crime, and
it may be true that 'criminals' will not register their guns," Dave Cassels
wrote in an opinion piece in the Edmonton (Alberta) Journal last month. He
is former chief of the Winnipeg, Manitoba, police and deputy police chief
of Edmonton.

"However, the fact remains that most criminals get their guns from
so-called 'law-abiding' gun owners and that without mechanisms to track
firearms, we have no way of controlling the illegal gun trade or enforcing
existing safe storage laws."

Mr. Cassels also credits the rise in cost of implementing the law to the
federal government's need to fight costly battles to defend it in court.

And Jean Valin, director of public affairs for the Canadian Firearms Center
in Ottawa, which handles all requests for registration forms, says many gun
owners support the law. In a survey of 3,300 Canadians last year, 50 of gun
owners supported the mandatory registration of all firearms; 80 percent of
all respondents said that they were in support.

Mr. Valin also notes that the gun lobby represents an increasingly small
number of Canadians. "The dynamic is that the sport aspect of owning a gun
is in steady decline. People want to do other things - go rollerblading or
hiking. In fact, even 46 percent of Canadians who do own a gun say they
never use them anymore."

Both sides can show support for their positions. Pro-gun-control forces won
an important battle late last year when the Alberta Supreme Court upheld
the constitutionality of the Firearms Act by a 3-2 margin. But on the other
hand, Grismer points to the recent election of new premiers in New
Brunswick and Nova Scotia, who both took strong stances against the law.

Grismer says he is also aware of what the CPA vote could mean for the
gun-control debate in the US, and recent suggestions by some politicians
that the US needs a similar gun-registration law.

"I don't think it would ever happen anyway. But if the CPA reverses its
opinion, then yes, I do think it will make an impact on the debate in the
US. It means [a gun-registration system] will never, ever happen."


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