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- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: Release: gun law tawdry gimmick
- Date: 01 Oct 1996 11:39:44 -0600
-
-
- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- >HARRY BROWNE, LIBERTARIAN FOR PRESIDENT
- >2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
- >Washington DC 20037
- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- >For additional information:
- >Bill Winter, Director of Communications
- >Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 226
- >Internet: 73163.3063@CompuServe.com
- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- >CAMPAIGN NEWS
- >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 1, 1996
- >
- >
- >New domestic violence gun-control law
- >is "tawdry gimmick," says Harry Browne
- >
- >
- > WASHINGTON, DC -- Legislation to expand federal
- >gun-control laws to cover individuals convicted of
- >misdemeanor domestic violence is an attempt to rescind
- >the Second Amendment "one tawdry gimmick" at a time,
- >charged Libertarian presidential candidate Harry Browne
- >today.
- >
- > "This legislation proves that there is no gimmick
- >-- no matter how tasteless or tawdry -- that Republicans
- >and Democrats won't exploit as an excuse to restrict
- >Second Amendment rights," said Browne.
- >
- > The bill, part of an omnibus budget package agreed
- >on by Congressional and White House negotiators over the
- >weekend, would extend the federal ban on gun ownership to
- >people convicted of misdemeanors involving domestic
- >violence.
- >
- > After supporters of the bill breathlessly charged
- >that failure to pass it would "jeopardize the lives of
- >thousands of battered women and children," the
- >legislation sailed through the U.S. Senate by a vote of
- >97-2. The bill has also been endorsed by President Bill
- >Clinton.
- >
- > Browne, who has vowed to protect the Second
- >Amendment as an "absolute right" when elected president,
- >said he isn't surprised that the bill met so little
- >opposition in Congress.
- >
- > "Republican and Democratic politicians will do
- >anything -- violate your rights, ignore the Constitution,
- >pass useless legislation -- to protect themselves from
- >being labeled as soft on domestic violence," he said.
- >
- > "And that's why our rights are vanishing day by
- >day, hot-button issue by hot-button issue, gimmick by
- >tawdry gimmick. But this bill is a new low, since
- >politicians now apparently claim that anyone who supports
- >the Second Amendment must also support wife-beaters
- >with guns."
- >
- > But Browne said the bill's sponsors ignore one
- >important fact.
- >
- > "If the individuals covered by this new law are
- >so dangerous that they deserve to be deprived of basic
- >civil liberties, then they should be in prison," said
- >Browne. "If they are not dangerous, then the government
- >has no more right to take away their Second Amendment
- >right to keep and bear arms than it does to deprive them
- >of their First Amendment rights to free speech or freedom
- >of religion.
- >
- > "After all, the Second Amendment is a basic civil
- >right -- not a privilege doled out by politicians for
- >good behavior," said Browne.
- >
- >--
- >Harry Browne for President Campaign@HarryBrowne96.org
- >http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ voice: 202-333-0008
- >2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100, Washington DC 20037 fax: 202-333-0072
- >
- >
- Sarah Thompson, M.D. Vote Libertarian!
- PO Box 271231 Harry Browne in '96
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231 Don't trust Demopublicans!
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail and fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "The irresistable is often only that which is not resisted."
- Justice Louis Brandeis
-
-
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-
- From: jwaldron@halcyon.com
- Subject: NEW FEDERAL LEGISLATION
- Date: 04 Oct 1996 08:29:23 -0700
-
- On 30 September, the President signed into law the following two
- sections of the omnibus appropriation bill. There has been a lot of
- ranting and screaming, and very little hard information presented,
- along with a lot of conjecture. While all legislation is subject to
- interpretation (AND to Supreme Court review), the basic text follows
- (extracted from the Congressional Record, 28 September 1996). The
- next step will be to watch for the BATF's regulatory interpretation of
- these sections.
-
- (The Gun Free School Zone Act is nothing more than the earlier Federal
- GFSZ Act, overturned by the Supreme Court in US v Liopez. They just
- inserted a lot of "commerce clause" cites to justify addressing the
- issue at the federal level.
-
- The Domestic Violence Misdemeanor Gun Ban revokes a fundamental
- constitutional for commission of a misdemeanor. This is a nominal
- first -- nominal because GCA 68 disqualifies anyone "convicted of a
- crime that carries a sentence of more than one year; in some states,
- certain misdemeanors or gross misdemeanors can carry a sentence longer
- than one year -- and should make for an interesting Supreme Court
- challenge.)
-
-
- TEXT OF THE GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONE AND
- DOMESTIC VIOLENCE MISDEMEANOR GUN BAN
- AS SIGNED BY PRESIDENT CLINTON 30 SEP 96
-
-
- Sec 657: GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONES
-
- SEC 657. Section 922(a) of title 18, United States code, is
- amended to read as follows:
- (a)(1) The Congress finds and declares that--
- (A) crime, particularly crime involving drugs and guns, is a
- pervasive, nationwide problem;
- (B) crime at the local level is exacerbated by the interstate
- movement of drugs, guns and criminal gangs;
- (C) firearms and ammunition move easily in interstate commerce and
- have been found in increasing numbers in and around schools as
- documented in numerous hearings in both the Committee on the
- Judiciary, the House of Representatives and in the Committee on the
- Judiciary of the Senate;
- (D) in fact, even before the sale of a firearm, the gun, its
- component parts, ammunition, and the raw materials from which they are
- made have considerably moved in interstate commerce;
- (E) while criminals freely move from State to State, ordinary
- citizens and foreign visitors may fear to travel to or through certain
- parts of the country due to concern about violent crime and gun
- violence, and parents may decline to send their children to school for
- the same reason;
- (F) the occurrence of violent crime in school zones has resulted in
- a decline in the quality of education in our country;
- (G) this decline in the quality of education has an adverse impact
- on interstate commerce and the foreign commerce of the United States;
- (H) States, localities and school systems find it almost impossible
- to handle gun-related crime by themselves--even States, localities and
- school systems that have made strong efforts to prevent, detect, and
- punish gun-related crime find their efforts unavailing due in part to
- the failure or inability of other States or localities to take strong
- measures; and
- (I) the Congress has the power, under the interstate commerce clause
- and other provisions of the Constitution, to enact measures to ensure
- the integrity and safety of the Nations schools by enactment of this
- subsection.
- (2)(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess
- a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or
- foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has
- reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
- (B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm--
- (i) on private property not part of school grounds;
- (ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so
- by the State in which the school zone is located or a political
- subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political
- subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a
- license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political
- subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to
- receive the license;
- (iii) that is--
- (I) not loaded; and
- (II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a
- motor vehicle;
- (iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in
- the school zone;
- (v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into
- between a school in the school zone and the individual or the employer
- of the individual;
- (vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official
- capacity; or
- (vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while
- traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public
- or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is
- authorized by school authorities.
- (3)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), it shall be unlawful
- for any person, knowingly or with reckless disregard for the safety of
- another, to discharge or attempt to discharge a firearm that has moved
- in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place
- that the person knows is a school zone.
- (B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the discharge of a firearm--
- (i) on private property not part of school grounds;
- (ii) as part of a program approved by a school in the school zone,
- by an individual who is participating in this program;
- (iii) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into
- between a school in a school zone and the individual or an employer of
- the individual; or
- (iv) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official
- capacity.
- (4) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed as preempting or
- preventing a State or local government from enacting a statute
- establishing gun free school zones as provided in this subsection.
-
-
- Sec. 658 GUN BAN FOR INDIVIDUALS CONVICTED OF A MISDEMEANOR
- CRIME OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE
-
- (a) DEFINITION--Section 921(a) of title 18, United States Code, is
- amended by adding at the end the following:
- (33)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (C), the term
- misdemeanor crime of domestic violence means an offense that--
- (i) is a misdemeanor under Federal or State law; and,
- (ii) has, as an element, the use or attempted use of physical force,
- or the threatened use of a deadly weapon, committed by a current or
- former spouse, parent or guardian of the victim, by a person with whom
- the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabiting
- with or has cohabited with the victim as a spouse, parent, or
- guardian, or by a person similarly situated to a spouse, parent, or
- guardian of the victim.
- (B)(i) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of
- such an offense for purposes of this chapter, unless--
- (I) the person was represented by counsel in the case, or knowingly
- and intelligently waived the right to counsel in the case; and
- (II) in the case of a prosecution for an offense described in this
- paragraph for which a person was entitled to a jury trial in the
- jurisdiction in which the case was tried, either
- (aa) the case was tried by a jury, or
- (bb) the person knowingly and intelligently waived the right to have
- the case tried by a jury, by guilty plea or otherwise,
- (ii) A person shall not be considered to have been convicted of
- such an offense for purposes of this chapter if the conviction has
- been expunged or set aside, or is an offense for which the person has
- been pardoned or has had civil rights restored (if the law of the
- applicable jurisdiction provides for the loss of civil rights under
- such an offense) unless the pardon, expungement, or restoration of
- civil rights expressly provides that the person may not ship,
- transport, possess, or receive firearms.
- (b) PROHIBITIONS.--
- (1) Section 922(d) of such title is amended--
- (A) by striking or at the end of paragraph (7);
- (B) by striking the period at the end of paragraph (8) and
- inserting ;or; and
- (C) by inserting after paragraph (8) the following:
- (9) has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of
- domestic violence.
- (2) Section 922(g) of such title is amended--
- (A) by striking or at the end of paragraph (7);
- (B) by striking the comma at the end of paragraph (8) and inserting
- ; or; and
- (C) by inserting after paragraph (8) the following:
- (9) who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of
- domestic violence,
- (3) Section 922(s)(3)(B)(i) of such title is amended by inserting
- , and has not been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of
- domestic violence before this semicolon.
- (d) GOVERNMENT ENTITIES NOT EXCEPTED--Section 922(a)(1) of such
- title is amended by inserting Sections 922(d)(9) and 922(g)(9) and
- after except for
-
-
-
- Semper fi
-
- Joe Waldron
- Special Activities Director
- Second Amendment Foundation
-
-
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-
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: (fwd) GOA alert 2 Oct 1996
- Date: 04 Oct 1996 09:18:00 -0700
-
-
- Typos in original. (e.g. "GDG" for CDC)
-
- The Second Amendment Takes Another Hit -- Domestic confiscation bill,
- road-block gun ban passes Congress Special GOA Fax Alert, (703)321-8585,
- http://www.gunowners.org
-
- (Wednesday, October 2) -- The Congress sent President Clinton several gun
- control provisions as part of the omnibus spending bill. The President
- signed the bill late Monday night after both houses had overwhelming passed
- the bill (House: 370-37; Senate: 84-15).
-
- The anti-gunners in Congress succeeded in passing several amendments in the
- name of defending women and children. Despite the rhetoric, the provisions
- will not accomplish what was claimed and blow even more holes in our Second
- Amendment freedoms. Here's the "cliff notes" you will need to hold your
- legislators accountable. What follows is a brief summary of what passed, the
- practical problems with those provisions, and a listing of who voted right:
-
- Road-block Gun Ban (sec. 657 of the Treasury-Postal portion of H.R. 3610)
-
- Sets up thousands of gun ban zones across roads statewide where local police
- or the BATF can arrest unsuspecting drivers who have a firearm in the car.
- Victims will face 5 years in arisen.
-
- Also known as the Kohl amendment, this provision reenacts the School Zone
- Gun Ban law ruled unconstitutional by the U. S. Supreme Court last year
- (U.S. v. Lopez, 1995). The provision creates gun ban zones nearly one-half
- mile in diameter around every school in the country.
-
- Anyone without a pistol carry license driving through a zone with an
- unloaded firearm, that is not in a locked container or rack, faces 5 years
- in prison. (This would apply even to off-duty police officers, despite
- ineptly crafted exceptions in the Kohl language.) Many who were previously
- able to drive freely with guns, either in plain view or in the glove
- compartment, can now be victimized by anti-gun local police and/or BATF
- agents.'
-
- And finally, just a couple of other quirks that result from the law: a)
- Because of the way "school" is defined in the Title 18 of the U.S. Code, the
- school zone gun ban could outlaw the possession of firearms by parents who
- home school their kids; and b) For a person who lives within 1,000 feet of a
- school, any hunting trip would constitute a legal labyrinth. He or she could
- not early the gun to a car parked on the street unless he determined that
- such action was approved by school officials.
-
- Domestic Confiscation (sec. 658 or the Treasury-Postal portion of H.R. 3610)
-
- Frank Lautenberg, who has an "F-" rating from GOA, originally cosponsored
- the so-called domestic confiscation provision with anti-gun Senators Dianne
- Feinstein and Edward Kennedy as S. 1632. The largest wholesale firearms
- confiscation effort in decades, this provision bans thousands upon thousands
- of Americans from owning firearms for life, and orders their guns seized.
- For now this gun ban only applies to domestic dispute misdemeanors, but it
- sets a very bad precedent, since previously only felons have been stripped
- of their rights. (Note: This provision could strip many law-enforcement
- officers, previously convicted of domestic violence misdemeanors, of their
- ability to carry firearms.)
-
- Rep. Bob Barr introduced an NRA-supported amendment as a compromise. But
- even Barr's language was altered after protests from Clinton and Senate
- Democrats. The Barr provision -- perhaps best termed as the " Lautenberg
- Lite" provision -- would have reduced some of the problems with the original
- version, but it still extended the gun ban into the area of misdemeanors (a
- bad precedent).
-
- The Lautenberg-Barr provision which passed the Congress threatens to disarm
- the very women that it is supposed to help. The provision would impose a
- lifetime gun ban on anyone who has been convicted of "us[ing] or attempt[ing
- to] use . . . physical force" in a domestic situation. Of course, this "use
- of force" language can cover anyone (both men and women) who gets involved
- in a little spat between spouses, roommates, lovers, etc.
-
- The "use or attempted use of force" language will not only affect women who
- might throw a lamp at their spouse (like the First Lady), it will also
- endanger parents who spank their children. (Parents convicted of a domestic
- misdemeanor for spanking will now have to forfeit their guns or else become
- felons -- for being a prohibited person in possession of a firearm.) This
- provision federalizes a state issue and is clearly unconstitutional (under
- the 2nd and 1Oth Amendments for starters).
-
- What is the answer? If an act of domestic violence is serious enough to lose
- your civil right to own guns, then it should be a felony, which persons
- already were prohibited from owning firearms. If it is not serious, it
- should be treated as a misdemeanor -- a penalty which historically has not
- forced one to forfeit his or her rights.
-
- GOA opposed the Lautenberg-Barr "compromise." Gun Owners of America lobbied
- against every version of the Lautenberg provision that surfaced. Each time,
- GOA reminded Congressmen that a vote for expanding a gun ban is a vote for
- gun control. But rather than take a "no compromise" position, most
- Congressmen opted to just "limit the damage." It would be like a victim
- telling a mugger who wants $100 that "if you only take $50 we'll just call
- it even." Whether it's $50 or $100, the victim has still been robbed.
-
- Likewise, gun owners got robbed this past weekend. We were forced to give up
- ground without getting anything in return. Gun owners should not excuse
- those Congressmen who voted for this so-called compromise. In reality, there
- was no compromise since our firearms rights were not advanced in any way. We
- neither got a revocation of the semi-auto ban, nor did we get a repeal -- or
- even some exceptions to -- the Brady registration law. (Rather, more people
- will now be rejected after Brady checks.) We got nothing. So don't let your
- Congressmen tell you he voted for a compromise. When two people compromise,
- each side gets something. Ask him what we got in return. If he can't tell
- you, suggest to him that what he did was abdicate his duty to defend the
- Bill of Rights.
-
- More than 300 Representatives join Schumer in trimming the Second Amendment.
- Once again, many of the freshmen Republicans led the way in opposing the
- assault on our liberties. The vote in the House was 370-37; the following
- Reps. VOTED PRO-GUN by voting AGAINST H.R. 3610: Barcia (MI), Barton (TX),
- Becerra (CA), Beilenson (CA), Burr (NC), Chabot (OH), Chenoweth (ID), Coble
- (NC), Coburn (OK), Coleman (TX), Cooley (OR), Cox (CA), DeFazio (OR), Duncan
- (TN), Hall (TX), Hefley (CO), Honest (MI), Hyde (II), Istook (OK), Jacobs
- (IN), Kanjorski (PA), Kaptur (OH), Klink (PA), Klug (WI), Largent (OK),
- Nadler (NY), Neumann (WI), Rohrabacher (CA), Roybal-Allard (CA), Salmon
- (AZ). Sanford (SC). Scarborough (FL), Schroeder (CO), Sensitometer (WI),
- Stearns (FL), Stockman (TX), and Tiahrt (KS). [Bold represents freshmen.]
-
- Thank the above Reps. and hold the others accountable. (NOTE: the following
- is a list of the 26 Reps. that missed the vote: Baker (LA). Berman (CA).
- Blumenauer (OR). Boucher (VA). Cardin (MD). Collins (MI). Conyers (MI).
- Dellums (CA). Dornan (CA). Durbin (IL). Filner (CA). Flake (NY). Fowler
- (FL). Frank (MA). Green (TX), Hancock (MO). Hayes (LA). Heineman (NC).
- LaFalce (NY). Lincoln (AR). Limpkins (IL). Menendez (NJ). Myers (IN).
- Quillen (CT).Taylor (NC).Waters (CA), and Waxman (CA). If your Rep. is not
- listed in either of the groups above, then he voted for the bill!)
-
- Everything, including the kitchen sink, out into H.R. 3610
-
- Besides the two gun bans mentioned above, legislators also threw in the
- study on placing taggants in black and smokeless powders -- a provision
- which had previously stalled in the Congress. (Source: Sec. 113(2) of the
- general provisions of the Justice Department Title in H.R. 3610.)
-
- The bill gives the BATF a PAY INCREASE of almost $100 million dollars for
- next year --$16 million in the regular budget plus an additional $66 million
- for anti-terrorism efforts. (Source: Titles I and VII of the Treasury-Postal
- provisions.)
-
- H.R. 3610 continues the language included in the previous year's budget
- prohibiting the BATF from "investigate[ing] or act[ing] upon applications
- for relief from Federal firearms disabilities." This means that non-violent
- offenders who lose their gun rights won't be getting them restored any time
- soon. (Source: Title I of the Treasury-Postal provisions.)
-
- The so-called digital telephony provision will threaten the privacy of gun
- owners(Source: Sec. 110 of Commerce-State- Justice provisions). The funding
- in this provision will be used to force telephone companies to retrofit
- existing telephone equipment in order to facilitate the ability of
- government officials to wiretap citizens. This would be similar to requiring
- home builders to put microphones in walls of every home so that the FBI
- could more easily eavesdrop on conversations. (Before spending the $60
- million for these technological "improvements," the FBI must first submit an
- "implementation plan.")
-
- The "best" part of the bill was a provision in the Labor-HHS section
- containing a prohibition on the GDG's ability to spend any funds "to
- advocate or promote gun control." Despite this apparent victory, there are
- still two problems with this and other language in the GDG budget. First,
- the department which conducts the anti-gun studies did not receive a pay
- cut. Second, the so-called prohibition in this provision prevents the GDG
- from actually lobbying in favor of gun control. As long as the GDG does not
- call for any gun bans, waiting periods, etc., the "prohibition" will not
- prevent them from placing the same anti-gun studies in medical journals --
- the very same studies which are always used by the media and HCI to impugn
- our firearms rights. (Source: Title II of the Labor-HHS provisions.)
-
- Conclusion: Use this special alert to confront the legislators who voted
- wrong. Hold them accountable! If they never hear a peep from you, they'll
- think they can get away with these kinds of votes in the future. Remember:
- "eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." Please distribute this alert!
-
- 1 The Washington Post (11/19/92) reported how a school teacher was arrested
- in class after pedestrian reported seeing her handgun sitting in open view
- on the seat of her car in the parking lot. This lady had no record and was -
- except for school zone gun ban - complying with Virginia laws which allows
- citizens to carry a firearm in their car without a permit as long as the gun
- is left in plain view.
-
-
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-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: Personal Protection for Women
- Date: 07 Oct 1996 05:33:48 -0600
-
-
- >Date: Sun, 06 Oct 1996 22:08:37 -0600
- >From: Jan Teegardin <gardner@intermountain.com>
-
- >
- >I've scheduled a Personal Protection for Women course - FOR WOMEN ONLY!
- >
- >This is the 'official' NRA version (12 hours) which covers all the
- >basics on handling of guns, learning to shoot, and the legalities of
- >using your firearm for self defense. Conceal Carry Weapons
- >certification is available for those who want it.
- >
- >Course is Fri Oct 19th 6-10 pm
- > Sat Oct 20th 10-6 (lunch provided)
- >Place: Lee Kay Center - it will be closed both days for the deer
- >opener.
- >
- >I'm asking $40.00. This is well below what NRA suggest for the cost of
- >the class, however, I need to teach it at least once a year or loose my
- >NRA Instructor certification.
- >
- >Any intrested women should leave a message for me at: 535-4630.
- >Advanced reservation is adviced. If a nubmer of women are interested, I
- >may have Marge Pruess teach with me.
-
- >Jan
- Sarah Thompson, M.D. Vote Libertarian!
- PO Box 271231 Harry Browne in '96
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231 Don't trust Demopublicans!
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail and fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "The irresistable is often only that which is not resisted."
- Justice Louis Brandeis
-
-
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-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: Assault Holsters
- Date: 07 Oct 1996 05:50:26 -0600
-
-
- >To: gunmoll@therighter.com
- >Subject: (fwd) Re: Pocket holsters are now illegal
- >Newsgroups: rec.guns
- >
- >Bob wrote:
- >#
- ># I was told yesterday afternoon by my holster maker that he couldn't
- ># make pocket holsters anymore. He received a certified letter from
- ># local LE that a recent BATF decision / interpretation now makes it
- ># illegal to make, possess, or own a pocket holster that allows the
- ># gun to fire while still in the holster unless they are registered.
- ># The letter further suggested that he remove / destroy any and all
- ># styles of pocket holster that are currently in his inventory to avoid
- ># confiscation and litigation.
-
- ***He will be contacted and expected to provide a client list showing all
- persons 'other than LEO' that have purchased them from him.*** (emphasis ST)
- Bob
-
- >Does the holsters in question have bayonet lugs?
-
- >Darren Hyde
-
- WHAT? Is this for REAL? The whole idea is idiotic - holsters can't shoot
- anything without both a gun and a person!
- But what's really scary is this client list thing. Is the BATF going to go
- door to door and confiscate HOLSTERS at gunpoint?? More retroactive laws.
- More confiscation of formerly legal items.
- Yeah, right. From my cold dead fingers they will.
-
- Sarah
-
-
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
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-
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: What Happens There, Will Happen Here: Anyone Wanna Bet? 2/2
- Date: 07 Oct 1996 16:20:00 -0700
-
-
- · [ ...Continued From Previous Message ]
- Back benchers blindly obey ministers who invite a potential enemy in,
- give them the Bush Tuckerman book and let them travel and spy? This is
- the truth. These people in government are guilty of treason. If you
- want to let traitors disarm you then you deserve your fate, but don't
- take me and my family with you. These are the hard cold facts. Indonesia
- has close to 1,000,000 men under arms if one counts their regulars,
- irregulars, police and associate groups. They recently bought 1,000,000
- AK56 rifles and 70,000,000 rounds of ammunition. They are not going pig
- shooting. On Greg Cary's program an Australian soldier in this year's
- war games reported that an Indonesian Colonel was bragging that they were
- coming back to take Australia. On their maps Australia is identified
- as New Irian Jaya or South Irian, WHY?
-
- The government, in one hit, gave the Indonesians $150,000,000 in aid.
- With this Indonesia bought 39 invasion craft from the East German Navy
- (Media figures, not mine). Now, because of Keating's treaty, the
- government intends to reduce our armed forces because potential invaders
- can't use Indonesia as a path to invade. They are the potential invaders
- and the traitors in government are fully aware of the threat. In the
- USA, on 4BC, at 5.10 on 10/6/96, to interviewer Connie Lorne, Tim Fischer
- stated that there would be zero guns in Australia by the year 2000. Why
- has Tim advertised our vulnerability? In Australia he says it is not the
- government's intent to totally disarm us. Why two stories? To be the
- only unarmed nation in Asia is tantamount to suicide. The UN won't save
- us. They watched genocide in Rwanda, Bosnia and Cambodia.
-
- Our elected back benchers have sat and watched these same ALP/LIB/NAT/
- DEMOCRATS print, issue and create so much currency, from 1966 to 1996, in
- direct contravention of our Constitution Para. 115 (READ; Commonwealth Year
- Books, Currency: Notes & Coins), that the value of our dollar was eroded
- by 97% taking 29/30ths of our savings, life assurance, superannuation etc.
-
- These pollies let banks change existing loan contracts (in retrospect and
- in direct contravention of Contract Law) to push bank interest up to 20%
- and even 30% knowing the people would be unable to pay. They couldn't.
- The banks foreclosed. Bank assets went from $87 billion to $382 billion
- in five years, taking $295 billion ($85,000 per income earning family)
- from the Australian people. Still the banks cry poor and raise charges.
- Pollies gave our oilfields worth $250 billion in proven reserves (AUST
- 7/9/88 AGE 9/9/88) to Indonesia. They were all on our continental shelf
- and there could have been no claim under international law. That creamed
- off another $80,000 per income earning family.
-
- In the seventies the Liberals took the contents of the Age Pension Trust
- Account to which my generation paid 7.5% of our income to give us all
- the Age Pension (and we all still pay it). They now take another 9% to
- give us "superannuation". They sold at least one super scheme to the
- French and spent the money. They propose to buy back the farm, pay off
- the national debt, and still have money to keep us in retirement.
-
- The politicians destroyed nearly all Australian industry by removing
- tariff protection. What was not destroyed was privatised (sold to
- foreign interests). Our minerals, timber, oil and fishing are foreign
- owned. They sell our hospitals, roads, bridges, jails, railways,
- resorts, electricity, public utilities, even some water supplies.
-
- Now these same politicians disarm us completely just before they step
- onto their jet planes to fly off to their villas in Europe, leaving us
- to the Indonesians. I want to remind readers. This is your country.
- If the Indonesians come, the girl won't be a dark lass from New Guinea
- or Korea, she will be your wife, your daughter, your sister, or you.
- A TV poll showed 97% in favour of the right to kill a dangerous home
- invader. Do they get a say? Ignore the minority of fools and traitors.
- On Channel 7 they said the way to get Tasmanian gun laws altered was to
- have a massacre. Paul Wilson 30/4/96 foreshadowed a copy cat massacre
- for Queensland. That is a possibility as mentally disturbed people are
- given mind altering drugs like Prozac and turned loose in society.
- Disarming sane people won't stop the fruitcakes.
-
- My generation carried real guns to keep Australia safe. The pollies
- leave this generation of soldiers deliberately disadvantaged, armed
- with toys that melt down after a few rounds are fired. They will be
- slaughtered leaving us as the front line. I am not afraid to fight an
- invader but I object to Australian traitors and fools disarming us and
- leaving us at the mercy of a primitive cruel enemy.
-
- We don't have to lose. It takes ten times as many regular soldiers to
- control and subdue a force of guerrillas. With 600,000 armed Australians
- we would be safe. No nation can muster 6,000,000 troops. The enemy knows
- this. That is why they need traitors to disarm us. If we allow these
- traitorous or well meaning politicians to take the few remaining weapons,
- that could provide the basis for guerrilla defence, then we deserve our fate.
-
- I was fit to own a semi auto for about 50 years. Don't blame me for what
- some cuckoo did in Tasmania. Blame
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: What Happens There, Will Happen Here: Anyone Wanna Bet? 1/2
- Date: 07 Oct 1996 16:20:00 -0700
-
-
- ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
-
- =====================================
- A. R. (Tony) Pitt
- 79 Ferry Street,
- MARYBOROUGH ... Q. 4650.
- 7/7/96.
- Dear Friends,
- I served in the RAAF for twenty years and retired with the rank of
- Warrant Officer (Tech.) In 1962 I spent time in Thailand protecting
- the locals from insurgents. I feel some comment is warranted on the
- anti-gun issue that has grown from the Port Arthur tragedy.
-
- From the mind boggling flow of anti-gun bull dust I can see that most
- pollies can't grasp the significance of the gun issue. How could one
- explain to these pollies, who have never been under threat, that
- private and national defence also warrants consideration. A few
- hundred miles north, there are a million soldiers who would gang rape
- a girl, cut off her breasts, and chatter and laugh like monkeys as she
- ran blindly in terror, pain and shock, past oppressed locals who were
- too scared to help or even look at her, out of fear that they would
- suffer similarly if they were to intervene. This is a santized version
- of a report on life in West New Guinea, a country subjugated by our
- most serious potential threat, Indonesia. The writer said that soldiers
- lit a grass skirt under the girl before they released her. Timor and
- Cambodia are no better. The Iranians marched children and oldies across
- minefields to clear the way for tanks. What would they do to you?
-
- In 1946 the Australian government put into long term storage
- 500,000 rifles and Brens to be used if we were invaded? Under the
- ALP/LIB/NATS these were all sold or destroyed (The Australian
- 31/5/1991). The ALP took 100,000 SLRs (Self Loading Rifle), the
- L1A1, worth $4,000 each and melted them down at B.H.P. (The
- Australian 14/12/1994). How can politicians justify the complete
- destruction of our emergency reserves?
-
- This political intervention leaves the military with 37,000 Steyr
- rifles and 3,100 riflemen. The design of the Steyr uses plastic in
- heat critical components such as triggers, hammers and sears. A
- weapons use directive Order No. 7196-94 has been issued to all army
- and air force units not to fire more than 90 rounds, or more than nine
- seconds of automatic fire because the plastic components will melt down.
- We are undefended. The only effective weapons left in Australia to
- stop the occupation and rape of Australia now lie in private homes.
- When they are gone we are at the mercy of invaders. What use is there
- telling pollies that the people who possess these weapons would defend
- Australia? Howard, Fischer, Beazley, Kernot and the like, are all
- party to, or supportive of, the betrayal of our defence capability.
-
- The Australian Constitution prohibits political control of the armed
- forces because our forefathers knew the nature of politicians. These
- people are well aware that a gun register is the greatest asset to any
- invader. When the Germans went into Poland they did so only after
- careful preparation. They had their Quislings, under the guise of
- public safety, register all firearms. When the invasion eventuated
- a German officer and the Police Chief, with a copy of the "register",
- visited every home. They asked for the guns by model and serial
- number. If the guns were not forthcoming, they shot the children
- first, then the wife. If the guns still did not come out they then
- shot the man and burnt the house.
-
- Howard, Beazley, Fischer, Kernot & Co. know this. We have told them
- time and time again. Why do they want a register? They would have you
- believe they want to save lives. This is rubbish. They know full
- well that any cuckoo, with a 44 gallon drum of petrol can kill more
- innocents than the Port Arthur clown.
-
- A few well meaning gullible people have advocated a Central Gun
- Repository, where shooters can store their guns and, when they are not
- upset with the wife and kids, go and draw the gun out for a couple of
- hours. The Germans pulled this one too. They threw away the key the day
- before the invasion. The Russians were different. They opened the
- repositories, took the guns and shot the owners.
-
- How would you explain that in the seventies our government replaced
- key military personnel, who earned their rank and knew by painful
- experience how to take an enemy occupied hill? They were replaced by
- academics straight from university armed only with defence diplomas
- and defence degrees.
-
- This is not a game we play. The enemy engages in war. The Japs were
- smart enough to map and assess Australia's capability to defend itself
- twenty years before World War II. The Japanese spies reported that,
- "The people are well armed and know how to use those arms. They would
- pose a serious threat to any occupying force." They also said that the
- natives (Aborigines) could not be enlisted or even used to get rid of
- the Europeans. They said the Aborigines were "...not even fit to be
- used as slaves." Readers should be made aware that the Japs were going
- to shoot the Aborigines and enslave us. The Japs used 27,000 Korean
- girls as comfort girls (slave prostitutes) for their troops because they
- were religious and clean. They weren't clean long. Do readers seriously
- think the Indonesians are not just as ruthless, and just as territorially
- ambitions? Why do the Indonesians overfly WA, NT and QLD every day?
- Why do the Japanese re-arm?
-
- Perhaps the hardest nut to chew is the treason of our own government.
- The Liberals signed an agreement to totally disarm all civilians, police
- and military in 1981 (I have a copy). The ALP ratified it in 1983.
- Then they invited the Indonesians in to train at our jungle training
- centre. They brought Indonesian generals in to umpire our Kangaroo
- Exercise where the U.S. and N.Z. staged an invasion from the north.
- We lost the war games. The Indonesians were the real winners because
- they saw every truck and every tank, and every tactic we used to counter
- the mock invasion from the north.
- · [ Continued In Next Message... ]
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: [Fwd: How your guns will be confiscated]
- Date: 08 Oct 1996 08:46:00 -0600
-
-
- >>From http://www.jetlink.net/~mystery
- >---------- Forwarded message ----------
- >
- > POLICE STATE, U.S.A.
- >
- >HOW YOUR GUNS WILL BE CONFISCATED!!!
- >
- >(Transcribed from Guns and Ammo / November 1995)
- >
- >
- > Many readers of this magazine expect that a total gun ban will
- >eventually be enacted on a nationa level, followed by confiscation raids
- >and arrests of law-abiding gun owners.
- >
- > Let us be honest: The Stage has long been set; California and New Jersey
- >have already passed draconian laws restricting "assault weapons." The New
- >Jersey law calls for the disabling or surrender of legally owned weapons.
- >The infamous Feinstein-Schumer Act, passed last year as part of the Crime
- >bill, is now law and is merely the first step toward confiscation on a
- >national level.
- >
- > But exactly how would confiscation on a national level, a huge
- >undertaking, take place? Few Americans realize that Congress might not even
- >have to enact laws that ban private ownership of firearms and order
- >surrender and confiscation. All that is required is a decree, such as a
- >Presidential Directive or Executive Order. While many Americans would decry
- >such congressional or presidential actions unconstitutional, how many would
- >have the courage to oppose it?
- >
- > The late Mel Tappan related in his book Tappan on Survival, "Since 14
- >November 1979, we have been under a state of national emergency pursuant to
- >the International Emergency Powers Act of 1977." Tappan relates that with
- >this act, along with executive order 11490, the president of the United
- >States is "granted sweeping dictatorial powers, which virtually suspends all
- >constitutional safeguards, allows disbanding of Congress, the freezing of
- >all bank accounts and persoal assets, the collection and rationing of all
- >vital commodities including food, the suspension of passports, full control
- >of the media and private means of communication including amateur and CB
- >radios, and the banning of all travel, public assembly and protest. This
- >total police state can be established by the mere stroke of a pen, and is
- >subject to the approval of no other authority except congressional review
- >every six months."
- >
- > To initiate a total gun ban, an "incident" would more than likely first
- >occur, perhaps a violent act of terrorism. The president will declare a
- >"national crisis" with full media support. The American people will be told
- >that the only way this crisis can be resolved will be the total ban on
- >private ownership of any type of firearm. Anyone who owns a firearm after
- >the ban takes effect will be considered a criminal, terrorist, or drug dealer.
- >
- > Unlikely, you say? Consider the February 5, 1995, edition of CBS's 60
- >Minutes when Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) said, "if I could have gotten
- >another 51 votes in the senate for an outright ban, picking up every one of
- >them, Mr. and Mrs. Amercia, turn them all in, I would have done that. But I
- >could not do that; the votes were not there." Obviously not for lack of
- >effort on Senator Feinsteins's part.
- >
- > When a total gun ban becomes reality, a short amnesty period will occur
- >when you will be able to surrender any and all firearms with no questions
- >asked. After that, the velvet glove will come off of the iron fist.
- >
- > Rounding up all of the privately owned firearms in America will be an
- >impossible task, but they will be able to confiscate a huge number of
- >firearms, mainly from law-abiding and patriotic citizens.
- >
- > How will they determine who owns a firearm? Not a very difficult task
- >among the law-abiding, who obligingly fill out any form placed in front of
- >them. It will simply be a matter of rounding up some paperwork, for example:
- >
- > Federal form 4473, the one you fill out whenever you purchase a
- > firearm from a licensed gun dealer. - Hunting and fishing License
- > records.
- >
- > List of holders of concealed weapons permits.
- >
- > Membership lists from hunting and gun clubs and ranges.
- >
- > Membership lists of pro-gun organizations.
- >
- > Lists of those who have already surrendered weapons
- > (just in case they forgot to turn one in).
- >
- > Information provided by paid informants.
- >
- > A pending congressional bill, HR666 (strange choice of numbers)
- >apparently will allow warrantless searches by law enforcement officers.
- >
- > Units involved in confiscation will include the BATF, other law enforcement
- >agencies (another piece of pending legislation authorizes and establishes a
- >2,500 man FBI rapid-deployment force) and local country and state law enforce-
- >ment officers, along with the National Guard and perhaps even federal troops.
- >
- > In the March 1995 issue of Soldier of Fortune Magazine, James Pate
- >reported that he was trying to confirm a story that a symposium was held at
- >Fort Bragg, North Carolia, to "study the potential uses of Army and Air
- >Force assets to aid civilian law enforcement agencies in the suppression of
- >domestic civil unrest."
- >
- > Pate also points out that a large part of the function of U.S. troops in
- >Panama, Northern Iraq, Somalia and Haiti included "disarming large local
- >populations through wholesale gun confiscation, warrrantless search and
- >seizure sweeps, and weapons buy-back programs."
- >
- > In the American gun confiscation program, raids would be a rapid,
- >coordinated effort to seize as many weapons as possible before word gets out
- >and citizens who have not already done so had a chance to bury or otherwise
- >conceal any weapons remaining in thier homes or to form resistance."
- >
- > After a brief period of surveillance to determine your habits, your home
- >will most likely be raided in the early morning hours, 2 a.m. to 5 a.m.,
- >when most people are in their deepest sleep and at their lowest ebb, both
- >physically and psychologically, when the level of logical thinking and
- >ability to rapidly respond to a threat is naturally handicapped.
- >
- > The first element in the assault element, which will use brute force to
- >gain entrance to your home utilizing battering rams, sledge hammers, and
- >sometimes even explosives, should they be required. Tear gas might be used
- >if the situation calls for it. The assault element will be wearing hoods to
- >disguise their identity, gas masks, kevlar helmets and bullet resistant
- >vests. They will be heavily armed, and they will shoot to kill if any
- >resistance is offered. After you and your family are located, handcuffed and
- >held at gunpoint, the search team will then make a sweep of your house using
- >electronic and fiber optical equipment.]
- >
- > If they encounter an area where they believe weapons are hidden and you
- >refuse to cooperate and give access, they will use whatever means necessary to
- >gain entrance. Another element of the search team will use metal detectors to
- >search your property for buried arms. While this is happening, an interrogation
- >team will be tasked to question each family member, including your children.
- >You and your wife will be threatened with long prison terms and your children
- >with foster homes, unless you cooperate. Based on past experience, family
- >pets might be shot "accidentally" as a means of further intimidation.
- >
- > You will then be turned over to an arrest/detention squad for processing.
- >Even if no weapons are found you might be taken and held for an indeterminate
- >peiod for "investigation" and as a means of frightening others.
- >
- > What will be seized? All firearms, including pistols, revolvers,
- >shotguns and rifles, modern or antique, including black powder and replica
- >arms, regardless of caliber, magazine capacity and action types. Also
- >subject to seizure will be anything else that might be considered a weapon,
- >including bows, arrows, air rifles and hunting knives.
- >
- > Ammunition, reloading gear and components are naturally subject to confis-
- >cation. Magazines, stripperclips, targets and camouflage clothing will also go.
- >
- > The First Amendment will also be violated as your library is searched, book
- >including firearms instructions, repair and reloading will also be confiscated.
- >
- > Finally, your home itself will be forfeited under civil statutes for
- >government sale since it contained banned items.
- >
- > Just imagine what a wonderful lead story it will make on the evening news,
- >with a grim-faced talking head reporting: "Another group of gun criminals was
- >arrested by authorities today..." (A tape is then run showing you and your
- >family being loaded into a police van.) "... and their arsenal was seized."
- >(Cut to tape showing your 12-gauge, double-barrel shotgun, bolt action .22
- >with telescopic sight, cleaning kit, hunting knife and camouflage jacket.)
- >"Authorities want to remind everyone that possesion of all firearms,
- >ammunition, and related paramilitary equipment has been prohibited under the
- >Federal Prevention of Crime and Terrorism Act."
- >
- > Frightening, isn't it? Many Americans believe that this nightmare vision
- >of our nation is not far away from becoming a terrible reality.
- >
- > The entire point of this article is that we must not only fight to
- >maintain our sacred rights as Americans under the second ammendment, but we
- >must preserve the entire Bill of Rights and the Constitution. Once one right
- >is abridged, destroyed or revoked, all will soon follow. There has been a
- >dangerous trend over the years to ignore the ever increasing encroachment of
- >those rights, which so many Americans fought and died to keep!
- >
- > Editors Note: When the gun confiscations begin, that is not the time "to
- >bury or otherwise conceal any weapons remaining..." That is the time for all
- >Americans to take their weapons off the gun racks and use them as our founding
- >fathers did!
- >
- > Mystery's Note: How about the Viper Militia? Or how about Waco, Texas?
- >Were not these people branded terrorists? Yet somehow they were Aquitted or
- >burned respectively......
- >
- >Copy and distribute this article widely!!! All rights and copyrights have
- >been released!
-
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: Snow! A "PR" Opportunity
- Date: 08 Oct 1996 09:00:38 -0600
-
-
- >Subject: Snow! A "PR" Opportunity
- >
- >During the snow storms last winter (such as they are here in Maryland)
- >the Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore organized a limited snow emergency
- >tranportation operation for hospital and nursing home staff as well as
- >kidney dialysis patients.
- >
- >It was great "PR", especially when some member of the medical profession
- >(which tends to be anti-gun) climbs into your 4x4 to be met with an "I'm
- >the NRA" sticker on the dashboard.
- >
- >If you live in the Baltimore area and would like to volunteer this winter
- >please respond via e-mail.
- >
- >For those of you out of state, I offer this as a great way to get good
- >air time. During an emergency, even anti-gun television and radio station
- >will broadcast your announcements. I know, because it happened right here
- >in what is perhaps the most anti-gun liberal state in the Union.
- >
- >--
- >John H. Josselyn, Legislative V.P.
- >Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore, Inc.
- >P.O. Box 20102
- >Towson, MD 21284-0102
- >(410) 296-3947 (phone & fax)
-
- This sounds like a GREAT idea to me! And I'd bet most gun owners have 4-WD
- vehicles, which are particularly useful in these situations.
- Perhaps our local gun organizations could form a coalition to provide such
- services - not only during snow, but any other type of emergency or natural
- disaster.
-
- Comments?
-
- Sarah
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: 104th Congress
- Date: 08 Oct 1996 10:25:00 -0700
-
-
- * Crossposted from: Wildnet(tm): Guns
-
- NRA-ILA FAX ALERT
- 11250 Waples Mill Road Fairfax, VA 22030
- Vol. 3, No. 43 10/4/96
- Phone: 1-800-392-8683 Fax: 703-267-3918 GROOTS@NRA.org
-
- GAVEL COMES DOWN ON 104TH CONGRESS
-
- This week, the 104th Congress wrapped up virtually all of its major
- business and adjourned to allow Members to return to their home for some
- heavy campaigning. The waning moments of this historic Congress,
- however, closed with a flurry of activity on legislation that impacts
- gun owners. Included in a massive, omnibus spending bill to keep the
- government open were measures dealing with domestic violence, gun free
- school zones, and the NRA-supported federal law enforcement commission.
- Although the final language was not perfect, the original language that
- nearly passed was perfectly awful. It was so broad that an individual
- could lose gun ownership rights permanently -- with no way to restore
- those rights -- without having committed ANY violent act whatsoever.
- The final measure was narrowed considerably to specifically prohibit
- firearms ownership by those convicted of offenses that actually involve
- the use, attempted use or threatened use of violence. The measure also
- ensures due process, and restores Second Amendment rights should the
- conviction be overturned, set aside or pardoned. As for "gun free
- school zones," Congress passed language prohibiting the possession of a
- firearm within 1,000 feet of a school, but included numerous lawful
- exemptions, including residents who live within the 1,000 foot buffer,
- licensed carry permit holders, the legal transportation of firearms and
- those legally accessing hunting lands to name just a few. It is unclear
- at this point whether the new language will pass constitutional muster
- (you may recall the Gun Free Schools Zone Act of 1990 was struck down as
- unconstitutional by the Supreme Court in 1995.) Finally, the long
- sought after law enforcement commission to review and make
- recommendations to end abuses by federal agencies was not funded. The
- President signed the bill into law on Monday, September 30th. Stay
- tuned!
-
- HIGHLIGHTS OF THE 104th CONGRESS: Thanks to a crop of new pro-gun
- champions like Representatives Bob Barr (R-Ga.), Helen Chenoweth
- (R-Idaho), Randy Tate (R-Wash.), Ed Bryant (R-Tenn.), and Todd Tiahrt
- (R-Kan.), Congress helped to mend some of the damage Bill Clinton had
- inflicted on our Second Amendment during his first two years in office,
- and for the most part crippled the anti-gun agenda of Second Amendment
- foes like Dianne Feinstein and Charles Schumer. Here's a look at some
- of the victories your hard work made possible during the 104th Congress:
-
- GUN BAN REPEAL PASSED IN HOUSE: On a bi-partisan 239-173 vote, the House
- of Representatives passed legislation repealing the 1994 Clinton gun and
- magazine ban. The historic vote marked the first time in more than a
- decade that Congress had reaffirmed the rights of gun owners and the
- value of the Second Amendment, and represented a promise kept on the
- part of dozens of lawmakers who had vowed to support the Second
- Amendment if elected during the 1994 campaign.
-
- CIVILIAN MARKSMANSHIP PROGRAM SAVED: DCM survived an anti-gun assault
- when Congress passed a defense appropriations bill creating a
- nine-member board and a new non-profit corporation to take over the
- program. A last ditch effort led by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D- N.J.) to
- scrap the new corporation was shot down by a 71-29 bi-partisan vote in
- the Senate, ensuring that the National Matches at Camp Perry would
- continue and that surplus government firearms would continue to be sold
- to qualified shooters rather than being destroyed.
-
- SPORTSMENS' ACCESS TO REFUGES GUARANTEED: Congress passed legislation
- elevating wildlife-dependent recreation, such as hunting and fishing, to
- a primary purpose of the National Wildlife Refuge System. The
- legislation ensures that hunters will be treated as a primary, not a
- secondary or subsidiary component of the National Wildlife Refuge
- System, and will be able to enjoy the benefits derived from the
- investments they make through their tax dollars, Federal Duck Stamp
- purchases, and entrance fees.
-
- CLINTON GUN-CRUNCHING MACHINE HALTED: Countless perfectly serviceable
- firearms, including many M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, Model 1911 Pistols,
- and .22 caliber training rifles were spared when Senator Ted Stevens
- (R-Alaska) led the fight to pass a Department of Defense appropriations
- bill imposing a moratorium on the Clinton Administration's gun crunching
- machines.
-
- ANTI-GUN GOVERNMENT RESEARCH DEFUNDED: Congress voted to redirect $2.6
- million of the National Center for Injury Prevention and Control's
- budget from firearms 'research' to traumatic brain injury research, and
- specifically barred NCIPC from using any of its funds 'to advocate or
- promote gun control.'
-
- FREE SPEECH FOR GUN OWNERS PROTECTED: Congress rejected 'campaign
- finance reform' legislation that would have prohibited NRA from
- providing our members with information about the positions of candidates
- on Second Amendment issues and ban many of NRA's election efforts on
- behalf of pro-gun candidates. The bill would have prohibited NRA from
- distributing our Political Preference Charts and outlawed any effort by
- NRA to advertise on behalf of pro-gun candidates.
-
- RIGHT TO SELF-DEFENSE ASSURED FOR PUBLIC HOUSING RESIDENTS: An amendment
- to a public housing bill that would have outlawed self- defense in
- public housing units was rejected in the House. The discriminatory
- amendment, offered by current U.S. Senate candidate Richard Durbin
- (D-Ill.), would have criminalized any public housing resident who used a
- firearm in self-defense, and was voted down by a veto-proof margin.
-
- ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 105th CONGRESS: Next year, we'll continue our
- efforts to repeal the Clinton gun ban, push for national right to carry
- reciprocity, secure funding for a federal law enforcement review
- commission, and bring attention to U.S. funding for the United Nations'
- efforts at international 'gun control.' And with the Brady Act's
- waiting period set to sunset in 1998, we can expect debate on the
- subject of waiting periods and instant background checks during the next
- session. Needless to say, these are only a few of the items on our
- agenda for the 105th Congress. We can make our job much easier by
- electing a pro-gun majority to Congress this year -- so if you have not
- already done so, please get involved with the campaign efforts of
- pro-gun candidates in your area! For more information on what you can
- do today, please call NRA-PVF at 1-800-868-3672. =+=+=+=+ This
- information is provided as a service of the National Rifle Association
- Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA.
-
- This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is
- available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: NJSP9567@aol.com
- Subject: Re: CJUST-L Digest - 7 Oct 1996 to 8 Oct 1996
- Date: 09 Oct 1996 03:35:18 -0400
-
- All right ladies and gentlemen. Let us give this gentleman some assistance.
-
- Godspeed,
-
- J. R. Lynch
-
- <<
- Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:17:30 +0100
- From: Culver Epps <xac07@dial.pipex.com>
- Subject: Re: new member
-
- My name is Abigail Quant, and I am a full time research student at
- Plymouth University England. I intend to write a research paper on an
- aspect of comparative criminal justice, focusing on western europe with
- the help of Rob Mawby. In the light of the Dunblane massacre I would
- like to write and hopefully publish a dissertation comparing the pros
- and cons of gun laws in different countries and the existence of, and
- impact of public consensus concerning present day laws. Any thoughts,
- or information on how to go about such a research paper will be
- gratefully received.
- I hope that you will contact me with your thoughts through the list or
- at one of the following e-mail addresses; aquant@plymouth.ac.uk or
- xac07@dial.pipex.com
- >>
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: Libertarians and Gun Control
- Date: 09 Oct 1996 09:51:00 -0700
-
-
- * Crosspost from "Libertarian Party of Utah" <lputah@qsicorp.com>
- originally by Sarah Thompson <liberty@therighter.com>
- on Tue, 08 Oct 1996 11:35:43 -0600
-
- I heard a GREAT radio ad for Harry Browne on KALL 910 yesterday during the
- drive-time show, around 6-6:30 PM, I think.
-
- Harry introduces himself, and says "government doesn't work and gun control
- doesn't work". The rest of the ad focuses entirely on gun control, how Clinton
- is proud of his gun control record (Brady, assault-weapons ban, etc.) and how
- Dole refuses to repeal any of it, and how Libertarians promise to support gun
- rights unconditionally because they know gun control doesn't work. I'm not
- doing it justice here, but it was great, targeted,(pun intended), and hard-
- hitting.
-
- If we can get a transcript from LPN, I think it would make great copy for Andy
- and any other candidate in a position to influence gun control laws.
-
- Reminder: AGR is sponsoring a Gun Rights Conference this Saturday from 9 AM to
- 6 PM at the Fairgrounds. Other candidates will be there; we SHOULD be! For
- info, call Shirley Spain (a fellow member of LPUtah) at 266-0587.
-
- Sarah
- Sarah Thompson, M.D. Vote Libertarian!
- PO Box 271231 Harry Browne in '96
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231 Don't trust Demopublicans!
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail and fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "The irresistable is often only that which is not resisted."
- Justice Louis Brandeis
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: CNN - Suicidal people may be renting guns to get around
- Date: 10 Oct 1996 03:03:30 -0600
-
- The latest in fine reportage, compliments of CNN.
- Let them know what you think!!
-
- Sarah
-
- >http://www.cnn.com/US/9610/09/shooting.range/index.html
- >
- >=20
- >> Suicidal people may be renting guns to get around
- >> [Pathfinder] federal regulations
- >>=20
- >> October 9, 1996 [range]
- >> Web posted at: 10:45 p.m. EDT
- >>=20
- >> From Correspondent Greg Lefevre
- >>=20
- >> STOCKTON, California (CNN) -- For Javier Capuchin,
- >> the end came easily; too easily, according to his
- >> family. He rented a gun and shot himself.
- >>=20
- >> Although the federal Brady Law makes people wait
- >> five days to buy a gun, there is no waiting period
- >> to rent a gun from a shooting range. Grieving
- >> relatives from Capuchin's family and others
- >> complain the laws make suicide rentals a snap.
- >>=20
- >> "It's not right," said his sister, Anna Lopstrom.
- >> "Anyone can come. If I have a bad day, I can come
- >> in here and rent one."
- >>=20
- >> [capuchin] Since early last year, there have
- >> been seven gun range suicides in
- >> California, a double suicide in Arizona, and
- >> others in Oregon and Oklahoma. In Milpitas,
- >> California, police say all six suicides in their
- >> area used rented firearms -- two this year were at
- >> the same Milpitas range.
- >>=20
- >> Firing range owners say they are victims, too.
- >> They say they do check customers, make them read
- >> the rules and sign a form. The tip-off: most
- >> suicides are new customers who come in alone.
- >>=20
- >> --------------------
- >>=20
- >> "Being alone and renting a [heskett]
- >> gun are the two things we
- >> watch for very carefully"
- >>=20
- >> -- Joe Heskett, owner of
- >> TargetMasters
- >>=20
- >> --------------------
- >>=20
- >> Much of his business comes from beginners learning
- >> to shoot, and from people who want to try out
- >> different guns before buying one.
- >>=20
- >> "We ask if they had any mental history or trouble
- >> with the law. We take their photo. We kind of
- >> watch and size them up," he said. "If anybody
- >> comes in alone we scrutinize them very
- >> carefully... I have spotted one or two that way. I
- >> have turned one or two away."
- >>=20
- >> [stats] Heskett said he asked police to
- >> intervene with one would-be gun renter.
- >> He believes he saved the person's life.
- >>=20
- >> Half of all handgun deaths in the United States
- >> are suicides. With no waiting period to rent a
- >> gun, trauma experts worry that a person too
- >> unstable to buy one may rent instead.
- >>=20
- >> Shooting ranges shouldn't rent firearms at all,
- >> said Eric Gorovitz of the Trauma Foundation at San
- >> Francisco General Hospital.
- >>=20
- >> "It may be there's a reason that those [waiting]
- >> people can't purchase guns ... because
- >> they would have a mental health history that would
- >> come out in the background check," Gorovitz said.
- >>=20
- >> Although many gun control detractors claim that a
- >> suicidal person will find a way, no matter what
- >> the law says, some legislators are discussing
- >> waiting periods on gun rentals. They say true gun
- >> enthusiasts won't mind the inconvenience, and
- >> those considering suicide may reconsider.
- >>=20
- >> [rule]
- >>=20
- >> Related story:
- >>=20
- >> * Brady Law expansion -- smart politics, but
- >> good policy? - August 28, 1996
- >>=20
- >> Related sites:
- >>=20
- >> Note: Pages will open in a new browser window
- >>=20
- >> * CDC Figures on Firearm Suicides
- >> * American Civil Liberties Union view on Gun
- >> Control
- >> * North Carolina Study on Suicides
- >> * Firearm Injuries and Death Statistics
- >> compiled by National Center for Health
- >> Statistics
- >> *
- >> * National Rifle Association Training And
- >> Safety Programs
- >> * The White House
- >>=20
- >> External sites are not endorsed by CNN
- >> Interactive.
- >>=20
- >> [rule]
- >>=20
- >> Tell us what you
- >> [What You Think] think! [Image] =
- [Image]
- >> You said it...
- >> [rule]
- >>=20
- >> [To the top]
- >>=20
- >> =A9 1996 Cable News Network, Inc.
- >> All Rights Reserved.
-
-
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with=20
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of=20
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of=20
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object=20
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and=20
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Glenn Clapp <glenn@xmission.com>
- Subject: Re: CNN - Suicidal people may be renting guns to get around
- Date: 10 Oct 1996 10:12:16 -0600
-
- I had this same problem with rental guns. I rented several at Pro Arms
- and each one kept trying to point at my head and fire. It was a real
- struggle. I'd take one back and rent another and the same thing would
- happen. Let's face it. Rental guns cause suicide.
-
- --
- Glenn Clapp | Pinky: Gee Brain, what are we going to
- Texscan/MSI | do tonight?
- 124 N. Charles Lindbergh Drive | Brain: The same thing we do every
- Salt Lake City, Utah, 84094 | night. Try to take over the
- 801.359.0077 | world!
- http://www.xmission.com/~glenn | Sarah Brady Math: 7 == 100,000
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: RIFLES FOR SALE
- Date: 11 Oct 1996 03:55:07 -0600
-
- By now all of you should have heard that the Second Amendment has been
- nullified in CA by our Supreme Court and the Ninth Circuit Court.
- Robin's a good person and if any of you can help her out, she'd
- appreciate it, I'd appreciate it, and you'd be helping to resist the
- war against the gun culture. Thanks!
-
- Sarah
-
- >Greetings from the People's Republik of Kalifornia
- >
- >The following rifles that I have for sale are all Curio & Relics.
- >So, for California residents no waiting period is required.
- >However, purchasers that are not California residents, I must
- >ship to a fully licensed gun dealer and that dealer will be
- >required to handle all applicable paperwork etc. required by your state.
- >We are a fully licensed dealer, however, the following items
- >that we have for sale are from our personal collection.
- >Times are really bad and parting with these items is
- >not easy for us to do. So I'm hoping to get fair prices for
- >these rifles, but most of all, I want to make sure
- >they all get a good home with someone that will take care
- >and properly shoot them...call it a bit bizarre, but
- >this is like losing some very close family members.
- >
- >So, with that out of the way, if you have any interest
- >in these rifles, please email me at:
- >wapette@pipeline.com
- >and we will go from there. We will give
- >out of state purchasers a 5 to 7 day inspection
- >timeframe to work with. All purchases we will require
- >full payment, however, if arrangements need to
- >be made, let's talk. And, to make this even a
- >better deal, I will personally pay for the
- >shipping/handling and insurance for
- >out of state purchasers, ok?
- >
- >Last but not least, if any of you feel that I have
- >presented these rifles incorrectly as far as description,
- >spelling, etc. and if you feel our asking prices are
- >out of line, please advise and let me know what you
- >think.
- >
- >Thanks for your time. Take Care.
- >
- >Robin Figone
- >CUSTOM CASTING
- >Alameda, CA
- >
- >
- > RIFLES FOR SALE
- >
- >11mm Mauser M7184 Spandau Mfg issue date 1888
- >blueing is excellent 99% grade overall.
- >Asking $400
- >
- >30 Carbine US Postal Mfg WWII Stock has been varnished
- >metal surface is 90% no reimport markings
- >all other parts etc on rifle are original
- >Asking $450
- >
- >Winchester M63 22LR early model
- >has no scope slots 80% grade overall
- >Asking $350
- >
- >M1911 Schmidt Rubin 7.55 x 55 short rifle
- >no import markings all parts are matching
- >95% grade overall
- >Asking $325
- >
- >
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: GUN BAN QUESTIONS
- Date: 11 Oct 1996 13:52:17 -0600
-
-
- >>Return-Path: <hwysong@atl.mindspring.com>
- >>X-Sender: hwysong@pop.atl.mindspring.com
- >>Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 10:41:12 -0400
- >>To: hwysong@mindspring.com
- >>From: Harvey Wysong <hwysong@atl.mindspring.com>
- >>Subject: GUN BAN QUESTIONS
- >>
- >>MULTIPLE RECIPIENTS
- >>
- >>Dear M R,
- >> Well, once again, read 'em & weep. Just got this from GOA.
- >>
- >>-- Harvey
- >> ==================================
- >>
- >> How Do the New Gun Bans Affect Me?:
- >> Most Commonly Asked Questions
- >>
- >> Special Gun Owners of America Alert (Part III)
- >> 703-321-8585, http://www.gunowners.org
- >> (Tuesday, October 8)
- >>
- >>
- >>Does the "Gun Free Zones" provision allow for any exceptions?
- >>
- >> This provision, introduced by Sen. Herb Kohl, establishes
- >>gun free zones nearly 1/2 mi. in diameter around schools. While
- >>it does allow for exceptions, one must realize that granting such
- >>exceptions treats the right to keep and bear arms, not as a right
- >>but, as a privilege. The gun ban does exempt (for now) CCW
- >>holders who underwent a background check, or those traveling with
- >>a firearm that is both UNLOADED and LOCKED AWAY. It also exempts
- >>private residences, although one must make sure that he doesn't
- >>carry his firearm to his car parked on the street. The bill does
- >>exempt those who are gaining access to hunting lands, BUT ONLY if
- >>one has prior approval from the "school authorities." A law
- >>enforcement officer is exempted IF he is "acting in his or her
- >>official capacity."
- >>
- >>
- >>Will the private residence exemption exempt home schoolers who
- >>live within the gun-free zone?
- >>
- >> No one can tell right now for sure. There appears to be a
- >>conflict in the law which the courts will have to settle. The
- >>private property exemption only applies to "private property not
- >>part of school grounds." The U.S. Code (18 U.S.C. 921) defines
- >>"school zone" to be any place "in or on the ground of a public,
- >>parochial, or private school or within a distance of 1,000 feet
- >>of a public, parochial, or private school . . . . " This section
- >>also defines a "school" as a place which "provides elementary or
- >>secondary education as determined under state law."
- >>
- >> Thus, there is at least some chance that the amendment would
- >>outlaw the possession of firearms by parents who home school
- >>their kids. Home schools are arguably "private schools" within
- >>the definition of "school zone," and most state laws do recognize
- >>these as schools in some respect. Presumably, the Kohl language
- >>would allow parents to create a "school program" which involves
- >>firearms instruction. But, for young children or for uses apart
- >>from that program, firearms may well be prohibited in those
- >>homes. This would certainly be consistent with efforts by gun
- >>control advocates to remove firearms from homes with children.
- >>
- >>
- >>Why does the Kohl amendment not mention anything about a "1,000
- >>foot" school zone?
- >>
- >> Many times when examining legislation by Congress, one must
- >>also look at existing law (or practice) to understand the full
- >>effect of the law. In this case, while "school zone" is not
- >>defined in the Kohl language, it is defined already in Title 18
- >>of the U.S. Code. See definition in the answer above.
- >>
- >>
- >>Will the "Gun Free Zones" provision allow authorities to set-up
- >>road-blocks and search for guns?
- >>
- >> This is another instance where one must look to existing law
- >>or practice to determine the full effect of the law. The Fourth
- >>Amendment does offer some hurdles to general "stop and frisk"
- >>type gun sweeps. But based on different court decisions -- and
- >>based on several police department precedents from around the
- >>country in places like Washington, D.C. -- local authorities
- >>could do the following: they could establish "safety check
- >>points" in conjunction with the BATF within a 1,000 foot school
- >>zone to give sobriety checks, to check for seat belts being worn,
- >>and to visually inspect the passenger compartment for any
- >>evidence of firearms. Thus, the bill does not need to
- >>specifically authorize the police to set-up check points, since
- >>there is sufficient precedent for states and localities to
- >>enforce the "Gun Free Zones" in this manner.
- >>
- >>
- >>Is the Lautenberg "Domestic Gun Ban" retroactive,
- >>and does it ban possession?
- >>
- >> Yes and yes. Sec. 658(b)(2) of the Lautenberg provision
- >>amends the section of the U.S. Code that prohibits possession of
- >>a firearm to certain individuals. Now that the Lautenberg
- >>provision is law, the U.S. Code will read as follows:
- >>
- >> 18 U.S.C. 922(g): "It shall be unlawful for any person
- >> . . . who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor
- >> crime of domestic violence . . . to ship or transport in
- >> interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting
- >> commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any
- >> firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported
- >> in interstate or foreign commerce."
- >>
- >> To prevent this ban from being retroactive, there would need
- >>to be a grandfather clause which is absent from the bill.
- >>
- >>
- >>Does the Lautenberg gun ban ONLY apply to "violent" misdemeanors?
- >>
- >> No. A person can become subject to Lautenberg's
- >>lifetime gun ban for "the use or attempted use of physical
- >>force." Quite often, domestic disputes will continue even after
- >>the police have arrived. Thus, a woman who slaps her husband in
- >>anger -- in front of the police and in response to the abusive
- >>threats of her spouse -- can be guilty of a "violent"
- >>misdemeanor. But has the wife truly been violent? What if she
- >>only "attempted" to slap him but misses? Under the provision
- >>which passed, she can be prohibited from possessing a firearm for
- >>the "attempted use of physical force," and thus, will be just as
- >>disarmed as the truly violent spouse who is convicted of a
- >>felony.
- >>
- >>
- >>
- >>
- >> ****************************************************
- >> TRIAL BY JURY PROTECTS ALL FREEDOMS
- >> ****************************************************
- >> "One of the greatest delusions in the world is the hope
- >> that the evils of this world can be cured by legislation."
- >> -- Thomas B. Reed, American Lawyer
- >> ****************************************************
- >> Harvey Wysong
- >> National Spokesman, Fully Informed Jury Association
- >> 701 Longleaf Drive, Atlanta, Georgia 30342, U.S.A.
- >> hwysong@mindspring.com (404) 266-0930
- >> ****************************************************
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: Brady Bill vs US Constitution
- Date: 13 Oct 1996 07:08:00 -0700
-
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- Brady vs US Constitution
-
- by Jacob J. Rieper
-
- You couldn't tell by listening to President Clinton's and Sarah Brady's
- speeches at the Democratic convention, but the law which bears her name
- is in serious trouble. Five federal courts have ruled the Brady Law
- unconstitutional and the Supreme Court will hear a lawsuit brought by
- Arizona Sheriff Richard Mack this fall.
-
- Sheriff Mack's suit makes two arguments. First, that Congress exceeded
- its Commerce Clause powers by ordering State officials to exercise their
- police powers to affect interstate commerce. While firearms may flow in
- interstate commerce, Sheriff Mack is not a gun dealer and neither engages
- in nor interferes with interstate commerce by refusing to supervise
- Federal Firearms Licensees. The second argument, a 10th Amendment
- challenge, charges the US government usurps State powers by ordering
- State officials directly to perform "reasonable" background checks.
-
- Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research (DIPR), Doctors for Responsible
- Gun Ownership (DRGO), and the Lawyers Second Amendment Society (LSAS)
- have filed an amicus brief supporting the dismantling of Brady. Their
- brief seeks to prove no "compelling government interest" exists for
- resuscitating Brady because private ownership of guns is an overwhelming
- benefit to society. Without exception, all 14 studies of defensive gun
- use suggest that protective uses of guns far outnumber the lives taken
- by guns. The most comprehensive, Kleck & Gertz's National Self-Defense
- Survey, suggests 2.5 million protective uses by adult Americans against
- human attackers annually. That conclusion was reinforced by Lott &
- Mustard's study of 15 years' data showing that "1,570 murders; 4,177
- rapes; and over 60,000 aggravated assaults would have been avoided yearly"
- if states would allow law-abiding adults to carry concealed handguns.
-
- Brady supporters claim tens of thousands of felons have been prevented
- from purchasing handguns because of the law. Such claims arise from a
- GAO survey of 7 state and 13 local law enforcement agencies. With 22
- states exempt from Brady in 1994, the results of GAO's study cannot be
- projected to the universe of denials nationwide. Of those who were
- fingered by Brady checks, the survey shows that half of them are not
- disqualified from gun ownership and of those actual criminals identified,
- gun purchase was not prevented; criminals are merely displaced from the
- legal retail market.
-
- Ignoring these important caveats from their own data source, Sarah Brady
- boldly declared "The Brady Bill was an overnight success" and prevented
- "over 100,000 felons" from purchasing handguns. Such farcical claims
- are easily dispelled by the Brady Law's laughable prosecution record
- - less than a dozen convictions nationwide since its inception.
-
- When asked what he thought the lawsuit's outcome would be, Sheriff Mack's
- lawyer David Hardy said: "The Court's last major 10th Amendment ruling
- (on nuclear waste disposal) struck the federal statute by a 6-3 vote, and
- this statute is an even worse infringement of that amendment. Nothing is
- certain in law, but I'd consider the probabilities strongly on our side."
- Dr. Edgar Suter, DIPR chairman, cynically agreed: "I expect that the court
- will pay perfunctory obeisance to the 10th and 2nd Amendments, but will
- gut that acknowledgment of any meaningful protection of our rights."
-
- Sorry, Sarah, no "Brady II" for you.
- ###
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- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: GUN ROAD BLOCKS AND BLACK MARIAS
- Date: 13 Oct 1996 08:36:00 -0700
-
-
- ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
-
- Forwarded from elsewhere...
- ----------------------------
-
- At first you think it's an accident. The red and blue
- lights, the flares, the line of cars. Then you notice the
- barricades, too late- because you're already in the corridor.
- You have no choice but to comply. Your seat belt is buckled,
- you have a valid driver's license and insurance card; you're
- sober, and you're pretty sure your car would pass a safety
- muster. You're not alarmed, because you think you have
- nothing to fear. You're not armed, because you think guns
- should be outlawed. You feel no sense of outrage, not
- understanding this breach of Law. You feel no real threat,
- because you've got your ducks in a row, your ship is tight,
- and it's just the cops doing their job. You proceed.
-
- As your car is searched, you look around. A few cars
- have been detained. You see heads bobbing in the back of a
- paddy-wagon with a military paint job. You become aware of
- an animated conversation- in a foreign language.
-
- You open your trunk for the state trooper. After a brief
- inspection, you are free to continue your journey. It's 1996.
-
- I T 'S 1996 !!!!!!!
-
- People, it occurs to me that perhaps we ought to begin to
- consider some options. If you are one of the hapless heads in
- the paddy wagon who happened to have a firearm in the car when
- you hit the roadblock, you're going up for FIVE YEARS.
- Interestingly enough, this is the same standard sentence
- Solzhenitsyn said was routinely handed out for Anti-Soviet
- agitation in the early days of the Communist Revolution.
-
- Another, more chilling parallel to that revolution is
- emerging as well. Prior to the implementation of these
- roadblocks, rumours began to swell about the "RED LIST/BLUE
- LIST" roundups. These are the lists allegedly naming people
- to be arrested and executed just prior to, and shortly after
- martial law is declared. It is reported that the arrest
- warrants will be executed in true NKVD/NAZI fashion- in the
- middle of the night. A Chinook will land in a quiet corner
- of your neighborhood to meet the teams who have rousted you
- out of bed and hustled you in your nightclothes to the
- staging area. When your neighborhood wakes up in the
- morning, your neighbors may whisper, but they will not shout.
- And the next night, they will draw the shades tighter and
- ignore the commotion more fiercely.
-
- I quote Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn, from the Gulag
- Archipelago, in a footnote on page 13 of chapter one: "Arrest."
-
- "And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What
- would things have been like if every Security Operative, when
- he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain
- whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his
- family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example
- in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city,
- people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with
- terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step
- on the staircase, but had understood they had **nothing left to
- lose** and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush
- of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever
- else was at hand? After all, you knew ahead of time that those
- bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose. And you could
- be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a
- cutthroat. Or what about the **Black Maria** sitting out there
- on the street with one lonely chauffeur- what if it had been
- driven off or its tires spiked? The Organs would have very
- quickly suffered a shortage of officers and transport and,
- notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine
- would have ground to a halt!
-
- If....if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even
- more - we had no awareness of the real situation.....We purely
- and simply *deserved* everything that happened afterward."
-
- These roadblocks are the fore-runners to the Black
- Marias. The Black Maria of the New World Order is a Chinook
- helicopter. It requires two rotors, front and rear, to fly.
-
- What I dream about in my wistful dreams is a show of force.
- A thousand, even five hundred, even one hundred- armed militia
- men surrounding the roadblock, politely disarming the traitors,
- and sending them packing. How long would the roadblocks last then?
-
- What I know in my heart is that resistance will be slow
- to manifest, even after the Black Marias.
-
- But if Americans move- MOVE! FAST! into action on the first
- night that the first choppers land in their neighborhoods and execute
- the first warrants- and if we hit them hard and fast and without fear,
- the losses we could inflict may slow them down -as Solzhenitsyn
- predicts- when officers and transport are in short supply.
-
- It's certain at least, that the specter of a few burned out choppers
- in assorted American neighborhoods will send a powerful message to our
- would-be conquerors- and raise the confidence of the resistance as well.
-
- So how DOES one take out a Chinook? The best idea I can
- come up with that is lo-tech and does not involve exotic
- firepower, is a grappling hook and steel cable.
-
- PRAY FOR THE REPUBLIC AND JOIN A MILITIA.
-
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: NRA Strikes Again! 1/2
- Date: 15 Oct 1996 08:13:00 -0700
-
-
- I do not endorse all contents of the letter forwarded below, but feel
- those on this list deserve to be aware of its contents. Scott
- ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
-
- I received this letter the other day and since our recent to-do with
- the NRA over the HUNT endorsement, and my resignations, I thought this
- might be of interest. You should know that the writer of this letter
- has been publishing his newsletter now going on a couple of years and it
- has in the past only been sent to the Presidents of State Associations.
- The writer of this letter has been thrown out of the NRA for the things
- he has been doing. Take his words for what they're worth. Some of his
- statements may be at the edge but most of his basic statements are true.
- The organization is called the State Association Coordinating Committee.
-
- Newsletter
-
- September 25, 1996
-
- WAYNE LaPIERRE TO LEAVE NRA...In his report to the Board of Directors
- on September 14, Wayne LaPierre announced that NRA has critical financial
- problems. After four years of denial that NRA has financial problems,
- LaPierre finally admitted the seriousness of NRA's money problems. Although
- no departure date was mentioned, those attending the meeting came away with
- an almost universal consensus that LaPierre would leave before the end of
- this year. For more than three years I, and one or two others, have told
- anyone who would listen that NRA was in deep financial trouble.
- Since that announcement was made in executive session, those in
- attendance cannot discuss those proceedings but much of what was discussed
- in those meetings has been passed on to me by multiple sources. For the only
- time in anyone's memory, about 60% of the meeting was in executive session.
- Obviously they don't want you to know what's going on inside your NRA.
- In his report to the BOD, LaPierre took full responsibility for the
- financial problem. BULL! LaPierre is merely the scapegoat. The decisions
- he made had the approval of the BOD. The BOD will accept LaPierre's
- statement that he is responsible because they believe that this lets them
- off the hook. No doubt, the BOD will provide a big severance package to
- LaPierre for his cooperation.
- The fact is that while the Executive Vice President (EVP) can execute
- contracts etc., he cannot buy buildings. The EVP answers to and is guided
- by the BOD. Wayne LaPierre did not, without the approval of the BOD, buy
- the new building, spend $100 million on the useless membership promotion
- campaign nor authorize unlimited spending by ILA. Since almost everything
- that the EVP does has budget constraints and the BOD has to approve the
- budget. Everything that LaPierre has done had the approval of the BOD. The
- BOD simply cannot absolve themselves of blame by having LaPierre claim
- responsibility!
- Mentioned by LaPierre as some of the items responsible for the
- financial mess were:
- . Purchase of the new building
- . Purchase of all new furnishings for the new building
- . Big raises for the top brass
- . Issuing no-bid contracts
- . Unlimited spending by ILA
-
- Although not mentioned specifically, the biggest boondoggle of all,
- was the no-bid contract that resulted in the spending of over $100 million
- to increase membership by 1 million members, only to see the policies of
- the "NEW NRA" drive away more than a million members in just one year. The
- hierarchy will deny the previous statement but the 2.8 million members they
- are now claiming include hundreds of thousands of members from whom no
- income was derived. "Family Members", "Trial Members", expired memberships
- and any other conceivable name is added to the membership list to make it
- appear that NRA is bigger than it is. In other words, a lie.
-
- The biggest no-bid contract that LaPierre signed went to Brad O'Leary,
- a long time &friend of Wayne's. That contract was the one responsible for
- the expenditure of the $100 million spent for membership solicitation.
- LaPierre is apparently still taking care of his &friend. In anticipation of
- his leaving, LaPierre reportedly gave O'Leary a five year contract for the
- fund raising for ILA and the Political Victory Fund. A five year contract
- when Wayne knew that he would be leaving? Either very dumb or unethical. Of
- course, the bankruptcy court can, and undoubtedly would, cancel all such
- contracts.
- One of the worst mistakes made by LaPierre was the purge of long-term
- loyal, dedicated staffers. Those employees were replaced by "business people
- who would make the NRA into a real business." LaPierre then brought in
- people with absolutely no training, background or experience in the adminis-
- tration of an association nor loyalty to NRA. The new people were brought
- in at double the pay of the people they replaced. Most of those staffers
- who were supposed to work miracles for NRA are now gone. Their inexperience
- and lack of common sense led them to make just about every possible mistake.
- Members' needs were sacrificed to bring in another dollar. The result of
- their mismanagement (in addition to the loss of many legislative fights
- in Congress) was the loss of about a million members. So LaPierre has his
- share of blame for the failures at NRA but no way can he be the sole culprit.
- When a reporter contacted some NRA Directors to confirm the firings and
- the dire financial condition of NRA, two of the directors said that they were
- surprised to hear the financial news. WHAT? At each meeting of the BOD, each
- director is given a copy of the NRA financial statements. It doesn't take a
- genius to understand that when your debts exceed your assets by $44 million,
- there is a problem! Too, most of the directors read my newsletters and the
- publications of some of the state associations. For more than four years, we
- have been telling the members of the truth of NRA's financial troubles. Many
- of the directors were elected only after promising to vote on NRA policies as
- Neal Knox directs. So there is no need for those people to read the financial
- reports. Why clutter their minds when in the end, they will just vote the way
- that Knox wants.
-
- WATCH FOR ACKERMAN-McQUEEN (A-M), NRA's long time public relations firm,
- to now handle membership promotion. A-M has no experience or background in
- membership solicitation so they have hired a copywriter from O'Leary who has
- experience working on NRA membership promotion, although this copywriter's
- skills are suspect in light of the cost of recent years' "success" of NRA
- membership promotion. I think that it is logical to assume that LaPierre has
- given or will give a long-term contract to A-M, as he did with O'Leary.
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: NRA Strikes Again! 2/2
- Date: 15 Oct 1996 08:13:00 -0700
-
-
- THE STAFF FIRINGS were much greater than has so-far been announced. The total
- firings are in excess of 100, according to a letter written by one of the
- laid-off staffers. Or August 26, a press release was issued wherein LaPierre
- said "To meet the growing demand for the many programs of NRA, we must
- continue to empower our members to deliver safety and education programs..."
- (emphasis added). Of course when you have fired 25% of your staff, where else
- would you get the people to carry out your programs? But this is at a time
- when the emphasis of the "NEW NRA" has been directed toward legislative
- activity, resulting in dissatisfaction by the moderate and conservative
- majority of members, so volunteerism has greatly diminished. Needless to say,
- morale among the remaining staff is at an all time low.
-
- THE CHAIRMAN OF THE FINANCE COMMITTEE is quoted as saying that confidence in
- financial information from staff is very low. And there is probably good
- reason. An unconfirmed story widely circulated is that prior to the meeting
- of the BOD, a division manager was told to increase his division's income
- report by $1 million. When he replied that he couldn't support that increase
- if questioned, he was told "Don't worry about it." The question arises as to
- who was to be fooled by this false report of income. Two possibilities come
- to mind:
- . The BOD. To mislead the BOD into thinking that the financial picture was
- not as bad as it is.
- . The mortgage holder for the new building. A very large reserve was required
- to be maintained to assure protection to the lender. Maybe that reserve was
- dipped into and the required amount simply is no longer there.
- Of course this can't be confirmed by NRA sources but the story is too wide-
- spread not to have some credibility. Knowledge of NRA operations leads to
- the conclusion that the Membership Division was the one directed to add the
- $1 million to his income report. That is the only division with sufficient
- income to provide any concealment of the additional dollars. Too, the 2.8
- million members now claimed could be used to conceal the fact that the added
- $1 million does not exist. The claimed 2.8 million members includes "Family
- Members" from whom no income is derived. I am told that it also includes
- thousands of "phantom" members. As I reported in an earlier letter, one man
- and his wife have 5 NRA membership numbers between them and only two of those
- numbers are valid. The "Trial Memberships" and other expired memberships may
- still be on the member rolls. Another possibility is that they inflated the
- numbers just as the income from that division was inflated.
-
- NRA MEMBERSHIP NOW AT 2.8 MILLION? Isn't it interesting that until just a few
- weeks ago NRA officials were still claiming that membership was 3 million.
- Now, they are claiming that 2.8 million members represents growth. Can we
- ever get the truth from the NRA leaders? It really takes some intelligence
- (or at least consistency) to be successful at telling lies.
-
- THE NRA TV SHOW IS TO BE CANCELED. The show is already in reruns since July
- 30. I announced the demise of that show in an earlier letter.
-
- IS THE NEW NRA BUILDING FOR RENT? The "South Tower" of the NRA building is
- to be (or has already been) vacated so that this space can be leased out.
- It is hoped that the money from that lease will cover the payroll.
-
- NRA'S COMPUTER PROCESSING will be farmed out to an outside vendor. We don't
- know at this time the extent of that move. It could be membership, financial,
- or other data processing tasks. One also has to wonder who will get the
- contract for that processing. Is it another "sweetheart deal" contract given
- to a "friend" Or~, maybe the computer center was located in the south tower.
- Remember when we were told that one reason for the purchase of the new
- building was to have space to consolidate all the NRA functions? Publications
- and Data Processing were then in leased spaces away from the old NRA
- headquarters building. Did the NRA ever really need the new building?
-
- HAS THE NEW NRA" HAS DONE ANYTHING RIGHT? Well, not much. Communications
- through the Internet and FaxAlerts is a great improvement. The "Grass Roots"
- program is good except it should have been developed through the state
- associations, not as a virtual replacement for the state affiliates.
-
- SO WHAT IS TO BECOME OF NRA? I believe that reorganization through replacing
- incompetent leadership would take more time than is left to NRA. Bankruptcy
- may be the only salvation. You may recall reading about, in older times,
- when a barn or granary became so infested with rats that it was impossible
- to rid the structure of them. Often, the barn was burned to get rid of the
- rats. That's seems to be where NRA is now. The financial situation is so
- bad that there probably is not time enough left to make the leadership and
- policy changes that would attract enough members, and income, to save the
- organization. Under bankruptcy, drastic changes could be made rapidly.
- Competent officers and BOD members would be required if NRA is to survive.
-
- WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP SAVE NRA? Although NRA is probably too far gone
- to save through modification of the BOD, voting members must send in their
- ballot. The controlling crowd has only about 5% of the voting membership but
- since they all vote, they control. When you vote you must be very careful not
- to vote for the reelection of those who have caused the troubles. Candidates
- recommended by the Nominating Committee will, with the possible exception
- of one or two candidates, be already committed to Knox and the continuation
- of Knox's policies that got NRA into this mess in the first place.
-
- WRITE TO ONE OR ALL THE NRA DIRECTORS (they are listed on page 4 of the
- September, 1996 issue of your NRA magazine) and demand that the policies
- of the "NEW NRA" that brought your association to the brink of disaster be
- abandoned. Demand that policies of the NRA be in keeping with the wishes
- of the majority of members not just the zealot minority. I can almost
- guarantee that you will not receive an answer or even an acknowledgement,
- but you can at least let them know how you feel.
-
- REPRODUCE THIS LETTER AND PASS IT ON to every NRA member that you know. NRA
- will survive if changes are made by the time of the next election.
-
- I HAVE BEEN ASKED by several people why I changed the format of the news-
- letter. In the beginning, these letters went only to the presidents of the
- state associations. Each letter was personally addressed and signed. But as
- word of the newsletter spread, more and more people wanted copies. Soon,
- there were many more copies being sent than letters to the state association
- presidents. So it is just quicker and easier to print a single newsletter
- that goes to everyone. As to my name not appearing on the new format, I
- guess that I just thought that everybody knew who was publishing the letter
- and my name was not needed. I certainly was not trying to hide the source
- of the letter. My name will be affixed to each letter in the future.
- Dave Edmondson
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: Letter to Salt Lake Tribune
- Date: 16 Oct 1996 02:36:17 -0600
-
-
- October 14, 1996
-
-
-
- Public Forum
- The Salt Lake Tribune
-
- I realize the purpose of the editorial page is to allow the Tribune's
- editorial staff to express opinions. But is it really too much to expect
- informed opinions?
- Your editorial "Forty Thousand" (Oct. 4) is excellent emotional propaganda,
- but it fails to present any factual information that would allow readers to
- truly understand the issue. Yes, it is true that roughly 40,000 Americans
- die each year
- of gunshot wounds. But it is also true that roughly 400,000 Americans
- probably save their life or that of someone else by the defensive use of
- firearms each year. That's right: for every life lost to a firearm, 9-10
- lives are saved by firearms, not including police, military or security
- officer use. Isn't it your obligation to the public to present these facts
- as well?
- What other "developed nations" refuse to see in their self-righteous
- condemnation of the American gun culture, is that gun control is murder, and
- gun control is genocide. Fifty-five million people were murdered in
- cold-blooded acts of genocide during this century alone, and each genocidal
- government preceded its actions by enacting strict gun control laws. If
- that's any measure of what developed nations call "civilized behavior", I'll
- keep my gun, thank you.
- As a woman and a physician, I can safely say that the Lautenberg bill is
- bad legislation. Since both partners are often charged in domestic violence
- disputes, it effectively prevents battered women from obtaining the safest
- and most reliable form of self defense, a gun. It also deprives people of a
- fundamental, enumerated, constitutional right for the commission of a mere
- misdemeanor or even an attempted misdemeanor; trials and convictions are not
- necessary. President Clinton and Sen. Lautenberg should be thoroughly
- ashamed of this blatant attempt to win votes at the cost of subverting
- justice. I certainly do not condone domestic, or any other, violent
- behavior. Anyone convicted of a felonious assault, domestic or otherwise,
- should lose their right to own firearms. And violent felonies should not be
- allowed to be plea-bargained down to misdemeanors. That would be true justice.
- Our president and legislators conveniently ignore the fact that the
- majority of those forty thousand deaths were suicides. Suicidal people who
- have no access to a gun almost always choose another effective method. Gun
- control does not prevent suicide. If our government put its energy into
- educating the public and physicians about depression, and funded legitimate
- research on mental illness instead of wasting taxpayer dollars on fraudulent
- gun research, they would certainly save far more lives than they ever will
- with gun control.
- As a proud member of America's law-abiding, safety-minded, and responsible
- gun culture, I take great offense at your attempt to place the blame for
- these tragic deaths at my feet. The real culprits are our president, our
- legislators, criminals, our failed criminal justice system, our failed
- mental health system, our ostrich-like refusal to teach gun safety to our
- youth, and the media which aid and abet this mindless, but deadly,
- propaganda. Gun control is murder, and those who support
- it are murderers.
-
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
-
-
-
-
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: Thomas Jefferson - Atlantic Monthly's revisionism
- Date: 17 Oct 1996 14:49:08 -0600
-
- >Return-Path: brian@shell.aros.net
- >From: EdgarSuter@aol.com
- >Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:26:27 -0400
-
- >Subject: Thomas Jefferson - Atlantic Monthly's revisionism
- >
- >October 17, 1996
- >
- >Mr. William Whitworth
- >Editor
- >The Atlantic Monthly
- >77 N. Washington Street
- >Boston MA 02114
- >["We don't give out our FAX number," says the secretary]
- >
- >Re: O'Brien CC. "Thomas Jefferson: Radical and Racist." October 1996
- >
- >Dear Mr. Whitworth,
- >
- >Judging from the apparent willingness of so many Americans to cast aside
- >Liberty and individual responsibility for a velvet-manacled place at the
- >trough, it hardly seems necessary for self-professed revisionists to
- >disparage freedom-loving "radicals" like Thomas Jefferson to advance
- >America's contemporary romance with the leviathan state. By turning icons
- >into clay do they hope to assuage their consciences or destroy America's
- >troublesome collective memory of Freedom? How convenient it would be if we
- >would forget that, at the time of their revolt, the Colonists had much more
- >Freedom and far lower taxes than we have today.
- >
- >Warrantless search and seizure, asset forfeiture without trial, censorship on
- >the Internet that confines adults to fare suitable for children, secret
- >trials, anonymous witnesses, random wiretaps, the "first strike" use of
- >tanks, helicopter gunships, poison gas, and the illegal use of military
- >SpecOps troops against 90 innocent men, women, and children, vanquished
- >property rights, ballot fraud and managed political speech that makes
- >elections increasingly irrelevant, Oklahoma City's Reichstag Fire,
- >Presidential Directives that rule by decree, the incremental disarmament of
- >our conquered people to advance the other abominations of Caesar's latest
- >campaign because certainly Caesar and his Praetorian Guard must be made safe
- >from his plebian subjects -- these are not radical actions; these are the
- >standard fare of rulers throughout history. Over a third of a billion people
- >have died at the hands of government in this century, 65 million of them
- >murdered by their own governments after first being disarmed.
- >
- >Yes, indeed, Jefferson's love of Liberty and his insistence on a
- >constitutional republic with a limited federal government was - and is today
- >- a radical dream. For over 50 years the Lamp of Liberty that He and the
- >Framers lighted has been flickering and is now nearly extinguished, replaced
- >by the flickering in vacant eyes of Monday Night Football on cable TV. May
- >we wake from this nightmare into Jefferson's dream, but it sadly appears that
- >wishing will not be sufficient. Unfortunately, our rapacious, capricious,
- >and relentless rulers seem bent on ensuring that the Tree of Liberty is soon
- >fertilized. If so, then so be it -- for Liberty has a price worth paying.
- >
- >Sincerely,
- >
- >Edgar A. Suter MD
- >National Chair
- >Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research Inc.
- >
- >
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: WILL THOMPSON <will@phbtsus.com>
- Subject: Re: Thomas Jefferson - Atlantic Monthly's revisionism
- Date: 17 Oct 1996 16:08:09 -0600
-
- Sarah Thompson wrote:
- >
- > From: EdgarSuter@aol.com
- > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 15:26:27 -0400
- [...snip...]
- > Unfortunately, our rapacious, capricious, and relentless rulers
- > seem bent on ensuring that the Tree of Liberty is soon fertilized.
- > If so, then so be it -- for Liberty has a price worth paying.
- >
- > Sincerely,
- >
- > Edgar A. Suter MD
- > National Chair
- > Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research Inc.
-
- This is comforting. Thank you Ed.
-
- Along this line of reasoning, I found this in today's paper.
-
-
- Thursday, October 17, 1996
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- LAWMAKERS HAVE TOUGH WORDS FOR BLM
-
-
- BY MIKE GORRELL
- THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
-
- Legislators were rebellious during a Wednesday
- briefing on a state lawsuit to stop the U.S. Bureau of Land
- Management (BLM) from doing a ``re-inventory'' of its Utah
- lands with wilderness potential.
-
- ``I'm almost ready to get the Boston Tea Party
- started again,'' said Rep. Evan Olsen, R-Young Ward, after
- being informed that Utah is the only state where the BLM is
- taking a second look at wilderness recommendations.
-
- Added Rep. Brad Johnson, R-Aurora: ``I'm ready to
- fix bayonets,'' whose points seemingly would be aimed at
- BLM officials.
-
- [...snip...]
-
- ``Do you have anything to say in defense of your
- boss?'' Johnson asked of acting state BLM director Bill
- Lamb.
-
- After Lamb answered diplomatically, Stewart said,
- ``Bill's hands are clean.''
-
- To which Johnson replied: ``I think so, too. If
- it was anybody else, they'd hang him.''
-
-
-
-
- ------------------------------------------------------------
-
- c Copyright 1996, The Salt Lake Tribune
-
- All material found on Utah OnLine is copyrighted The Salt
- Lake Tribune and associated news services. No material may
- be reproduced or reused without explicit permission from
- The Salt Lake Tribune.
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: UK Bans Private Handguns
- Date: 17 Oct 1996 17:03:00 -0700
-
-
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
-
- I didn't see any discussion of this on the list but it's being heavily
- covered on our local news. The English Home Secretary has announced that
- private ownership of centre fire handgun will be banned. The remaining .22
- rimfire handguns must be kept at a gun club under stringent security. There
- will be no handguns allowed in private homes! This is a result of the
- inquiry into the Dunblane, Scotland school killings. It should be noted that
- the recommendations of the inquiry were only for the central repository
- storage conditions - it DID NOT recommend the total banning of centrefire
- handguns.
- I can imagine what our Australian politicians are going to do with this
- move. Our handguns will be the next to go. I was expecting such a move
- after the Sydney Olympics but it may now come sooner. I thought the list
- membership should be aware of this move. Discussion at our local pistol
- club meeting last night revolved around our new gun laws (Australia wide).
- We appear to have no recourse whatsoever. The frightening thing is that the
- government and media have managed to successfully isolate gun owners from
- the general population so there is no support for us. I add this point as a
- warning. From what I read on the list, the signs of it happening in the US
- are there. There can be no democracy if the voting public do NOT know the
- facts about an issue.
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: WILL THOMPSON <will@phbtsus.com>
- Subject: utah code question
- Date: 18 Oct 1996 09:42:58 -0600
-
-
- Hi all
-
- I thought I remembered that sporting event/arenas were specifically
- mentioned in the Utah code as being off limits to all firearms, even
- CCW. Does this ring any bells with anyone? I can't find it which
- is leading me to believe that I'm trying to prove a negative.
-
- Will
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: Economics of Crime
- Date: 18 Oct 1996 11:16:12 -0600
-
-
- >From: Hugh Bayless <hbayless@sprynet.com>
- >To: Multiple recipients of list <firearmsreg@ssiinc.com>
- >Subject: Economics of Crime
- >X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
- >
- >For those who may not have read David Friedman's latest book, "Hidden
- Order: the
- >Economics of Everyday Life," he has an extremely interesting chapter on The
- >Economics of Crime. While he does not appear to be a particular supporter of
- >"gun rights," his arguments on the economics of crime certainly support such
- >rights.
- >
- >Chapter 20 says, in part: "The economic approach to crime starts from one
- >simple assumption: Criminals are rational. A burglar burgles for the same
- >reason I teach economics -- because he finds it a more attractive profession
- >than any other. The obvious conclusion is that the way to reduce burglary --
- >whether as a legislator or a homeowner -- is by raising the costs of the
- >burglar's profession or reducing its benefits.
- > "... Opponents [to gun contrrol] argue that gun control, by disarming
- >potential victims makes it more difficult for them to protect themselves.
- >Supporters reply that since criminals are more experienced in violence than
- >victims, the odds in an armed confrontation are with the criminal. This is
- >probably true, but it is almost entirelky irrelevant to the argument.
- > "Suppose one little old lady in ten carries a gun. Suppose that one
- in ten
- >of these, if attacked by a mugger, succeeds in killing the mugger instead of
- >being killed by him -- or shooting herself in the foot. On average, the
- mugger
- >is much more likely to win the encounter than the little old lady. But --
- also
- >on average -- every hundred muggings produce one dead mugger. At those odds,
- >mugging is an unprofitable business -- not many little old ladies carry enough
- >money to justify one chance in a hundred of being killed getting it. The
- number
- >of muggers declines drasticaly, not because they have all been killed but that
- >because they have, rationally, sought safer professions."
- >
- >David Friedman is a professor of law and economics at Santa Clara
- University and
- >the son of Nobel Laureate Milton Friedman. While the rest of the book is
- >devoted to non-firearms subjects, it is certainly well worth reading.
- >
- >Hugh
- >
- >
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: FAXALERT: 1996 Political Preference Charts On The Way
- Date: 19 Oct 1996 18:42:47 -0600
-
- FYI only. The views expressed here are those of the NRA and not me, except
- where
- noted. - Sarah
-
-
- > NRA-ILA FAX ALERT
- > 11250 Waples Mill Road * Fairfax, VA 22030
- > Phone: 1-800-392-8683 * Fax: 703-267-3918 * GROOTS@NRA.org
- >Vol. 3, No. 45 10/18/96
-
- >BRADY STARS IN CLINTON COMMERCIALS: Anti-gun activist James
- >Brady will star in a new advertisement for Bill Clinton's re-
- >election campaign touting the president's "integrity." In the
- >commercial, Brady praises Clinton for helping to pass the Brady
- >Bill, and cites the president's anti-Second Amendment activism as
- >a sign of his character. According to the Associated Press, the
- >goal of the commercial is to insulate Clinton against the
- >criticism of Republican candidate Bob Dole. Members: If you see
- >any similar commercials in your area for Bill Clinton or any
- >candidate for office, please contact NRA-ILA Grassroots 1-800-392-8683.
- With no offense intended to the very unfortunate Mr. Brady, can
- one infer from this that Clinton could find no one mentally competent to
- endorse him? -ST
-
- >ATTENTION UTAH: A*-rated Utah State Rep. David Bresnahan, an NRA
- >member and Right-to-Carry permit holder -- displayed courage in
- >pursuing fleeing criminals and helping facilitate an arrest near
- >Salt Lake City October 4. While the police praised him, an
- >Assistant D.A. is pressing charges for illegal discharge of a
- >firearm. We think the charges are superfluous, politically
- >motivated and just plain wrong. Utahns are calling District
- >Attorney Neal Gunnerson and urging him to instruct Asst. D.A. Bud
- >Ellet to drop these charges. If you would like to do the same,
- >please call DA Gunnerson at 801-468-3422.
- This is a tough one. Rep. Bresnahan is one of our most tireless
- allies in the fight for gun rights. Yet what he did does apparently
- violate the law, as well as the rules of gun safety. On the mitigating
- side, what he did was effective at capturing real criminals. BOTH of the
- above need to be emphasized. Perhaps now our legislators will realize
- the endless legal dilemmas they've created for those who carry concealed,
- and pass some appropriate legislation. Maybe they could even get DPS to
- make copies of the law available for a small fee to anyone applying for
- or receiving a CCW. All ideas and suggestions are welcome. -ST
-
- >MAKE SURE YOUR VOTE COUNTS THIS ELECTION DAY: If you know you
- >will not be able to make it to the polls on Election Day, you can
- >make sure your vote is counted by casting an absentee ballot.
- >Absentee voting is quick and easy - and it's the only way to get
- >your ballot to the polls when you can't get there yourself! For
- >information on voting absentee in your state, please call 1-800-VOTE-NRA.
- >
- >CAMPAIGN EVENT SCHEDULE: Many races between strong pro-gun
- >candidates and their anti-gun opponents are coming right down to
- >the wire this year! Attending a candidate meeting or fundraiser
- >is a great way for you to support candidates who support our
- >freedoms AND meet with leaders of the pro-Second Amendment
- >community.
- >
- >Upcoming events include:
-
- >Utah: Come meet the candidates on Monday and Tuesday, October 21
- >and 22. On Monday night, join us at the Hunter Library in West
- >Valley City from 7:00 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. and on October 22 at the
- >Weber State Student Service Center, Room 154, from 7:00 p.m. to
- >8:30 p.m. For information, please call 1-800-868-3672.
- Does anyone know WHICH candidates will be there? -ST
-
- >=+=+=+=+
- >This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle
- >Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA.
- >
- >This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is
- >available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org
-
-
- Sarah Thompson, M.D. Vote Libertarian!
- PO Box 271231 Harry Browne in '96
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231 Don't trust Demopublicans!
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail and fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "The irresistable is often only that which is not resisted."
- Justice Louis Brandeis
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: Release: TWA Flight 800
- Date: 21 Oct 1996 08:23:20 -0600
-
- Just a reminder (and a shameless partisan plug) that there IS a candidate our
- there who respects our rights.
-
- Sarah
-
-
- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- >HARRY BROWNE, LIBERTARIAN FOR PRESIDENT
- >2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100
- >Washington DC 20037
- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- >For additional information:
- >Bill Winter, Director of Communications
- >Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 226
- >Internet: 73163.3063@CompuServe.com
- >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- >CAMPAIGN NEWS
- >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: October 18, 1996
- >
- >
- >Clinton owes apology for using "terrorist" demagoguery
- >about TWA Flight 800 to attack Bill of Rights, says Browne
- >
- >
- > WASHINGTON, DC -- Investigators have found "no
- >evidence" that a terrorist bomb or missile destroyed TWA
- >Flight 800 -- so President Clinton owes the American public
- >an apology for having demagogued that tragic incident into
- >an excuse to curtail civil liberties, says his Libertarian
- >presidential challenger.
- >
- > "President Clinton should admit that he was wrong,
- >and should seek the immediate repeal of the unconstitutional
- >laws he demanded to fight the fictitious terrorists he
- >claimed destroyed Flight 800," said Harry Browne, the
- >Libertarian candidate on the ballot in all 50 states.
- >
- > "Clinton should also return to the taxpayers the $1
- >billion Congress appropriated to fight this kind of
- >non-terrorist incident. And he should apologize to the
- >families of the people who died on Flight 800 -- and beg
- >their forgiveness for using the innocent victims of a
- >mechanical malfunction as human props in his effort to
- >terrorize the Bill of Rights," said Browne.
- >
- > After TWA Flight 800 exploded in a fireball off
- >Long Island on June 17, Clinton suggested that terrorists
- >were to blame and proposed new laws to fight what he called
- >"the modern equivalent of the Soviet threat during the Cold
- >War." He also demanded $1.1 billion in new spending to
- >battle the fictitious terrorists, including $10 million
- >to build a computer system to monitor airline passengers
- >with "suspicious" travel patterns.
- >
- > Congress responded to some of his demands, passing
- >legislation giving the government the power to conduct
- >secret hearings to deport foreigners, to arbitrarily
- >designate groups as "terrorist," and to study expanded
- >wiretapping technologies. Congress also appropriated $1
- >billion to "fight terrorism."
- >
- > However, air safety investigators yesterday said
- >the evidence that terrorists destroyed the plane is "very,
- >very small," and the tragedy was almost certainly caused
- >by a mechanical malfunction and an explosion in the fuel
- >tank.
- >
- > "Despite all Clinton's demagoguery, this incident
- >wasn't the work of terrorists -- the modern hobgoblins
- >that politicians use to scare us into giving up our
- >precious liberties. Instead, it was a tragic fluke
- >accident," said Browne. "But Bill Clinton's irresponsible
- >actions have turned Flight 800 from a personal tragedy into
- >a political tragedy for America.
- >
- > "The aftermath of any personal tragedy is that we
- >mourn for our lost friends, neighbors, and fellow citizens.
- >But the aftermath of a politically exploited tragedy is
- >that we must mourn for our lost liberties, and mourn the
- >Bill of Rights, which has become a punching bag for
- >power-hungry politicians," he said.
- >
- > "Bill Clinton shouldn't be allowed to get away
- >with it this time. He was wrong -- wrong about the
- >terrorists blowing up Flight 800, wrong about the civil
- >liberties he repealed, and wrong about the tax dollars he's
- >wasting. He owes America an apology," said Browne.
- >
- > Browne was the only presidential candidate to
- >consistently oppose every so-called "anti-terrorist"
- >proposal from the White House and Congressional Republicans
- >-- including roving wiretaps, no-warrant wiretaps, extending
- >RICO laws to terrorists, Internet censorship, government-
- >mandated taggants, and efforts to weaken computer privacy.
- >
- >--
- >Harry Browne for President Campaign@HarryBrowne96.org
- >http://www.HarryBrowne96.org/ voice: 202-333-0008
- >2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100, Washington DC 20037 fax: 202-333-0072
-
-
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: chardy@es.com (Charles Hardy)
- Subject: Re: FAXALERT: 1996 Political Preference Charts On The Way
- Date: 21 Oct 1996 09:54:14 -0600
-
-
- On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com> posted:
-
-
- [snip Bresnahan story]
-
- > This is a tough one. Rep. Bresnahan is one of our most tireless
- >allies in the fight for gun rights. Yet what he did does apparently
- >violate the law, as well as the rules of gun safety. On the mitigating
- >side, what he did was effective at capturing real criminals. BOTH of the
- >above need to be emphasized. Perhaps now our legislators will realize
- >the endless legal dilemmas they've created for those who carry concealed,
- >and pass some appropriate legislation. Maybe they could even get DPS to
- >make copies of the law available for a small fee to anyone applying for
- >or receiving a CCW. All ideas and suggestions are welcome. -ST
-
- I'll leave it to someone else to argue about whether or not firing a
- hangun into soft soil really violates gun safety rules. Heaven knows
- I've fired a lot of rounds into same without a problem. On the legal
- side of things, from my non-legal (IE not a lawyer) reading of things,
- it does appear he broke the law in firing a "warning shot". He may
- also have broken the law by unconcealing his weapon when his life
- wasn't in dire jeapordy. Had he been carrying openly (unloaded) he
- would not have had the problem with the second part. This is but one
- problem with our mother-may-I permit system.
-
- The warning shot being illegal is quite troubling. It forces people
- into an all or nothing situation. Either don't use the gun at all
- (I'm guessing even threating to use it could be construed as assault)
- or else shoot to kill. It is not too tough to imagine where a warning
- shot could be an effective and safe way to end a confrontation that
- could potentially become life endangering before it got to point. The
- reps experience may be one example. While living outside of Cedar
- City, we would sometimes get dogs or other animals coming onto the
- property at night and disturbing the cattle. A loud gun fired into
- soft dirt seemed to scare away any such animals and I could go back to
- sleep. Of course, if it had turned out to be a human prowler rather
- than an animal, I'd probably be in violation of the law. Go figure.
-
- In any case, he should probably be tried, since I'm guessing you or
- I would be. It may give him reason to consider changing the law.
- Fully informed jury, of course. ;)
-
- --
-
- Charles C. Hardy <chardy@es.com> | If my employer has an opinion on
- (801)588-7200 | these topics, I'm sure I'm not
- | the one he would have express it.
-
- Would YOU be willing to give up your favorite federal program if it
- meant never paying another dime in federal income taxes? Check out
- <http://www.harrybrowne96.org> or call 800-682-1776.
-
- "Never turn your back on a threatened danger and try to run away from
- it. If you do that, you will double the danger. But if you meet it
- promptly and without flinching, you will reduce the danger by half.
- Never run away from anything. Never!" -- Winston Churchill
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: WILL THOMPSON <will@phbtsus.com>
- Subject: Re: FAXALERT: 1996 Political Preference Charts On The Way
- Date: 21 Oct 1996 11:16:49 -0600
-
- Charles Hardy wrote:
- >
- > On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com> posted:
- >
- > [snip Bresnahan story]
- >
- > > This is a tough one. Rep. Bresnahan is one of our most tireless
- > >allies in the fight for gun rights. Yet what he did does apparently
- > >violate the law, as well as the rules of gun safety. On the mitigating
- > >side, what he did was effective at capturing real criminals. BOTH of the
- > >above need to be emphasized. Perhaps now our legislators will realize
- > >the endless legal dilemmas they've created for those who carry concealed,
- > >and pass some appropriate legislation. Maybe they could even get DPS to
- > >make copies of the law available for a small fee to anyone applying for
- > >or receiving a CCW. All ideas and suggestions are welcome. -ST
- >
- > I'll leave it to someone else to argue about whether or not firing a
- > hangun into soft soil really violates gun safety rules. Heaven knows
- > I've fired a lot of rounds into same without a problem. On the legal
- > side of things, from my non-legal (IE not a lawyer) reading of things,
- > it does appear he broke the law in firing a "warning shot". He may
- > also have broken the law by unconcealing his weapon when his life
- > wasn't in dire jeapordy. Had he been carrying openly (unloaded) he
- > would not have had the problem with the second part. This is but one
- > problem with our mother-may-I permit system.
- >
- > The warning shot being illegal is quite troubling. It forces people
- > into an all or nothing situation. Either don't use the gun at all
- > (I'm guessing even threating to use it could be construed as assault)
- > or else shoot to kill. It is not too tough to imagine where a warning
- > shot could be an effective and safe way to end a confrontation that
- > could potentially become life endangering before it got to point. The
- > reps experience may be one example. While living outside of Cedar
- > City, we would sometimes get dogs or other animals coming onto the
- > property at night and disturbing the cattle. A loud gun fired into
- > soft dirt seemed to scare away any such animals and I could go back to
- > sleep. Of course, if it had turned out to be a human prowler rather
- > than an animal, I'd probably be in violation of the law. Go figure.
- >
- > In any case, he should probably be tried, since I'm guessing you or
- > I would be. It may give him reason to consider changing the law.
- > Fully informed jury, of course. ;)
- >
-
- The legality of the situation....
-
- My argument would be to read the following from the Utah Const.
- Of course, I know that reading a simple document and interpreting
- it to mean what it says is somewhat out of favor in today's
- climate, but...what can I say, I'm a relic, I guess. :-\
-
- ARTICLE I. DECLARATION OF RIGHTS
-
- Sec. 1. [Inherent and Inalienable Rights.]
-
- All men have the inherent and inalienable right to enjoy and
- defend their lives and liberties; to acquire,
-
- possess and protect property;
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- to worship according to the dictates of their
- consciences; to assemble peaceably, protest against wrongs, and
- petition for redress of grievances; to communicate freely their
- thoughts and opinions, being responsible for the abuse of that
- right.
- 1896
- And Furthermore......
-
- If it's noise theyre concerned about when they made the
- "no discahrge of a firearm" law, why did they take away
- the ability to buy a suppressor? How many people are
- deaf, or have seriously damaged hearing as a result of
- our govt's murderous policies? Rant...Rant....
-
- --
- Will Thompson
- You know, there's this tree in my yard which is dying a slow
- death. It is badly in need of some sort of fertilisation.
- I've named it "the liberty tree".
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: chardy@es.com (Charles Hardy)
- Subject: Re: FAXALERT: 1996 Political Preference Charts On The Way
- Date: 21 Oct 1996 12:40:49 -0600
-
-
- On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, WILL THOMPSON <will@phbtsus.com> posted:
-
- >The legality of the situation....
- >
- >My argument would be to read the following from the Utah Const.
- >Of course, I know that reading a simple document and interpreting
- >it to mean what it says is somewhat out of favor in today's
- >climate, but...what can I say, I'm a relic, I guess. :-\
- >
-
- Sure, quote the State Constitution on me. ;) If it were that
- simple, we would even need a permit to CCW. :)
-
- --
-
- Charles C. Hardy <chardy@es.com> | If my employer has an opinion on
- (801)588-7200 | these topics, I'm sure I'm not
- | the one he would have express it.
-
- Would YOU be willing to give up your favorite federal program if it
- meant never paying another dime in federal income taxes? Check out
- <http://www.harrybrowne96.org> or call 800-682-1776.
-
- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to
- teenage boys." - P.J. O'Rourke
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: WILL THOMPSON <will@phbtsus.com>
- Subject: Re: FAXALERT: 1996 Political Preference Charts On The Way
- Date: 21 Oct 1996 14:54:40 -0600
-
- Charles Hardy wrote:
- >
- > On Mon, 21 Oct 1996, WILL THOMPSON <will@phbtsus.com> posted:
- >
- > >The legality of the situation....
- > >
- > >My argument would be to read the following from the Utah Const.
- >
- > Sure, quote the State Constitution on me. ;)
-
- Pesky little piece of paper, that, isn't it?
-
- Now - How do we "force" our elected officials to read and
- understand it? And....would that force violate Lib.
- principles?
- --
- Will Thompson
- Who is running long tests today and has too much opportunity
- to waste time with quips.
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Glenn Clapp <glenn@xmission.com>
- Subject: Re: FAXALERT: 1996 Political Preference Charts On The Way
- Date: 21 Oct 1996 15:59:55 -0600
-
- Charles Hardy wrote:
- >
- > On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com> posted:
- >
- > [snip Bresnahan story]
- >
- > > This is a tough one. Rep. Bresnahan is one of our most tireless
- > >allies in the fight for gun rights. Yet what he did does apparently
- > >violate the law, as well as the rules of gun safety. On the mitigating
- > >side, what he did was effective at capturing real criminals. BOTH of the
- > >above need to be emphasized. Perhaps now our legislators will realize
- > >the endless legal dilemmas they've created for those who carry concealed,
- > >and pass some appropriate legislation. Maybe they could even get DPS to
- > >make copies of the law available for a small fee to anyone applying for
- > >or receiving a CCW. All ideas and suggestions are welcome. -ST
-
- >
- > In any case, he should probably be tried, since I'm guessing you or
- > I would be. It may give him reason to consider changing the law.
- > Fully informed jury, of course. ;)
- >
-
- Yes, he broke the law. Warning shots are not only illegal but a bad
- idea.
- If you are in a position where you need to employ deadly force, then you
- shoot. In the case of a fleeing felon, you are most certainly not in
- danger, and your duty is to identify and testify. In any CCW training
- course, the instructor should clearly discuss these issues.
-
- It is always a good idea to carry pepper-spray so you have a non-deadly
- alternative. For example, two muggers approach you (you are carrying).
- They have no weapon. If you draw down on them, your butt is in a sling
- for brandishing and even assault with a deadly weapon. If you don't,
- and
- they roll you and get your gun... well. However, if you can hose 'em
- down
- with a dose of pepper and walk away, its all over. Naturally you can
- draw down if they have a weapon. I find this rather interesting when
- you
- consider most victims killed are killed by hands and feet!
-
- As far as the DA is concerned and pressing charges against Bresnahan, I
- wonder
- what kind of message the DA's office is trying to send. I guess it is
- OK
- to run down a fleeing felon in a van and kill him, but it is not OK to
- fire
- a warning shot. Gentlemen! Start your engines.
-
- Glenn
-
- Glenn Clapp | Pinky: Gee Brain, what are we going to
- Texscan/MSI | do tonight?
- 124 N. Charles Lindbergh Drive | Brain: The same thing we do every
- Salt Lake City, Utah, 84094 | night. Try to take over the
- 801.359.0077 | world!
- http://www.xmission.com/~glenn | Sarah Brady Math: 7 == 100,000
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: Deseret News Letter
- Date: 21 Oct 1996 16:12:07 -0600
-
- This is from today's Deseret News. Does anyone know anything about this=20
- survey or what questions were asked? Was it published in the paper?
- Any help would be appreciated.
-
- Thanks.
-
- Sarah
-
-
- >http://www.desnews.com/edt/$1sgfjna.htm
- >
- >> [Deseret News Web Edition]
- >>=20
- >> To the editor: Firearms survey was misleading
- >>=20
- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------
- >>=20
- >> I recently participated in a survey you distributed regarding
- >> carrying concealed firearms. The questions were very misleading,
- >> and I wonder if the person or people formulating them thought them
- >> out. The questions generally asked if the state should permit
- >> churches or private companies to prohibit persons carrying
- >> concealed firearms legally from entering their property.
- >>=20
- >> You should be aware that the state has no authority to tell the
- >> owners of private property how to operate their business. If
- >> churches or private businesses decide to regulate how a person
- >> dresses or what they have in their pocket or under their clothes,
- >> when on their property, they would obviously incur the
- >> responsibility of installing detection equipment and also the
- >> responsibility on protection of all people on their property.
- >>=20
- >> This question was raised by Doug Bodrero, commissioner of public
- >> safety, at a special legislative hearing that I attended, and it
- >> was considered inappropriate by the majority of those attending.
- >> The Deseret News then grabbed the ball and asked a number of
- >> organizations how they felt about it. The LDS Church said it didn't
- >> feel it was necessary for people to bring guns to church as that is
- >> not the reason people go there.
- >>=20
- >> There are a few people who are determined that no one should have
- >> guns even though the right to protect one's self is a God-given
- >> right guaranteed by both the U.S. and Utah constitutions. I think
- >> you could do the community a great service if you protect the
- >> Constitution and the rights it guarantees and stop trying to
- >> whittle away those rights. You might serve the people well if you
- >> become a champion of their rights and a champion for the punishment
- >> of anyone who commits an act that hurts or infringes the right of
- >> someone else.
- >>=20
- >> It is rather demeaning for an organization such as yours to engage
- >> in petty politics and support organizations that attempt to
- >> infringe our basic rights under such pretense as this survey is
- >> being accomplished. You should be aware that questions you want
- >> answered with yes or no do not provide an adequate response even
- >> though they may be used to satisfy your purpose. This practice is
- >> common today when organization conduct surveys using slanted
- >> questions that provide answers that can be used to further the
- >> objective of the organization conducting the survey. Your
- >> organization should be above this dishonest practice.
- >>=20
- >> Kenneth Nessen
- >> Park City
- >=20
- >> Published 20 October, =A9 1996 Deseret News Publishing Co.
-
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com/welcome.html
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with=20
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of=20
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of=20
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object=20
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and=20
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: What Supreme Court ruling?
- Date: 23 Oct 1996 11:44:16 -0600
-
-
- >From: vin@intermind.net (Vin Suprynowicz)
- >Subject: Column, Oct. 16
- >
- >
- >
- > FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
- > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED OCT. 16, 1996
- > THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
- > What Supreme Court ruling?
- >
- > Article I Section 8 of the Constitution grants Congress the power "to
- >regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states. ..."
- >
- > Part of America's economic success is certainly attributable to the
- >historic interstate "free trade zone" thus created.
- >
- > But in this century, Congress has taken to pretending these few words
- >grant it the power to circumvent virtually any restriction on its power.
- >
- > One of the most onerous examples was the enactment by the 1990 Democratic
- >congress of so-called federal "gun-free school zones," outlawing by federal
- >statute the possession of firearms by otherwise law-abiding Americans
- >within a fixed distance of a schoolhouse or school property.
- >
- > In one of its finest decision of recent years, the United States Supreme
- >Court, ruling in the 1995 case (start ital)U.S. vs. Lopez(end ital), said
- >that is nonsense. The "commerce clause" does not permit Washington to
- >regulate anything that's bought or sold, anywhere in the land, if the main
- >thrust of their action does nothing to promote peaceful, duty-free
- >interstate commerce.
- >
- > Furious at this minor rebuff to his now-almost-limitless power, and
- >demonstrating the scorn in which he holds his own oath to protect and
- >defend the Constitution, President Clinton immediately ordered Attorney
- >General Janet Reno to "find a way around" the Lopez ruling.
- >
- > Now they think they have.
- >
- > Wedged into omnibus spending bill HR 3610, signed into law by the
- >president late on the night of Sept. 30, is a page called Treasury-Postal
- >Section 657.
- >
- > Once again, we read that "Before the sale of a firearm, the gun, its
- >component parts, ammunition and the raw materials from which they are made
- >have considerably moved in interstate commerce," blah blah blah.
- >
- > Once again, citing the powers of the "interstate commerce clause," this
- >section -- also known as the Kohl amendment -- declares "It shall be
- >unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved
- >in interstate commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has
- >reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone."
- >
- > Exemptions are granted if the owner has a government license for the gun,
- >if the gun is not loaded and is in a locked container or locked rack, or if
- >the owner is "traversing school premises" for the purpose of going hunting,
- >providing the hunter has the prior permission of school authorities.
- >
- > Gun rights groups like Virginia's Gun Owners of America quickly
- >mobilized, warning in an Oct. 3 press release that -- given that
- >authorities in the past have extended "school zones" 1000 feet from school
- >property -- this bill "sets up thousands of gun ban zones across roads
- >statewide where local police or the BATF can arrest unsuspecting drivers
- >who have a firearm in the car. ... Anyone without a pistol carry license
- >driving through a zone with an unloaded firearm, that is not in a locked
- >container or rack, faces five years in prison. ..."
- >
- > Those who defend the bill told me this week that the old bill did indeed
- >establish 1,000-foot "zones" around schools, but that this new "try" bans
- >guns only on school property, not neighboring private property.
- >
- > However, the language of the law as reported in the Sept. 28
- >Congressional Record still uses the term "zones," without any limiting
- >definition. And even Capitol Hill supporters admit "It isn't clear" whether
- >the law would allow random stops and gun searches of cars driving on city
- >streets (start ital)near(end ital) a school.
- >
- > Anyway, the point of the 1995 Supreme Court (start ital)Lopez(end ital)
- >ruling was that this is not a federal concern. The separate states are
- >perfectly capable of outlawing guns on schools grounds if they want to.
- >Many already have.
- >
- > So, why such a poisonous Halloween present, from a Republican Congress?
- >
- > "All of these things were Clinton administration wants and desires, and
- >I think you had a Clinton administration that was willing to shut down the
- >government and blame us again," explained a high-level Republican
- >congressional staffer who would only speak off the record.
- >
- > "So we just had to swallow hard and accept a lot more spending than we
- >wanted," the staffer told me. "We've just lost the PR battle over these
- >shutdowns."
- >
- > One proposed "fix" is to make the budget resolution -- now non-binding --
- >into a binding outline which the president would have to sign in April or
- >May, making it harder to shovel so much unexamined manure into spending
- >bills at the last minute. Congressman Chris Cox has proposed such a
- >measure.
- >
- > But in the short run, all that can probably be done is to retain
- >congressfolk who voted against HR 3610 -- representatives like Barton,
- >Coleman, Hall and Stockman of Texas, Barcia of Michigan, Chabot and Kaptur
- >of Ohio, and Burr and Coble of North Carolina. That and, of course, to
- >defeat gun-grabbers who sneak in such "stealth" assaults on the right of
- >law-abiding citizens to carry a loaded firearm for self-defense in the
- >first place -- characters like Schumer, Feinstein, Kohl, Kennedy,
- >Lautenberg, and Clinton.
- >
- >Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas
- >Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin@intermind.net.
- >
- >***
- >
- >Vin Suprynowicz vin@intermind.net
- >
- >"Next year in Galt's Gulch!"
- >
- >
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- >
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: Volunteer for Bresnahan
- Date: 24 Oct 1996 10:43:08 -0600
-
- Hi all!
- I'm forwarding this at the request of Rep. David Bresnahan who is currently
- in a tough battle for re-election, complicated by his recent problems
- regarding his use of a concealed firearm. (His CCW permit has been returned
- however!)
-
- Whatever your opinion of the legal mess, Dave has been a tireless fighter for
- gun rights in Utah, so please consider helping him out if you can. Please
- respond to davebres@ix.netcom.com if you want to volunteer, and NOT to either
- me or the list. Thanks!
-
- Sarah
-
- >Return-Path: brian@shell.aros.net
- >Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 07:31:07 -0700
- >From: David Bresnahan <davebres@ix.netcom.com>
- >To: gunmoll@therighter.com
- >Subject: volunteer
- >
- >Thanks for your willingness to volunteer. The first way you could help
- would be to get
- >me some volunteers from your organization who could work the phone bank.
- Any day you
- >can get them. I need to know who and when so we can coordinate the number
- of lines and
- >who's coming, etc.
- >
- >Times we need phone bank help: 11/1 5-9p.m., 11/2 9 a.m. - 5 p.m., 11/4
- 5p.m. - 9
- >p.m., 11/5 9 a.m. - 7:30 p.m.
- >
- >On 11/4 at 9 a.m. in Sandy Dist. Court I will have my hearing. We'd like to
- pack the
- >court room with supporters. It won't last long, and when it ends I'll have
- a news
- >conference. Can you help get some of your people there?
- >
- >On election day, 11/5, we need volunteers to be poll watchers. These are
- people who go
- >to the polls and copy from their list to our list who has voted already.
- THat takes
- >about 1 hour to do. THen the list is brought to the phone bank where we
- call the ones
- >who haven't voted yet. THis is a critical job and we badly need the help.
- >
- >In addition to the above, I need people to help with honk and waves on 11/4
- and
- >11/5. We'll have one 7 a.m. - 8:30 a.m. each day and at 4:30 - 6 p.m. The
- more the
- >merrier.
- >
- >Thanks so much.
- >
- >David B
- >
- >
- Sarah Thompson, M.D. Vote Libertarian!
- PO Box 271231 Harry Browne in '96
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231 Don't trust Demopublicans!
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail and fax)
- http://www.therighter.com
-
- "The irresistable is often only that which is not resisted."
- Justice Louis Brandeis
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- Subject: CRIMESTRIKE: Clinton's use of INS
- Date: 25 Oct 1996 06:44:09 -0600
-
- >From: Sarah Thompson <gunmoll@therighter.com>
- >Subject: CRIMESTRIKE: Clinton's use of INS
-
- >> CHECKS & BALANCES
- >> Crime In Campaign '96
- >>
- >> NRA-ILA CrimeStrike
- >> 11250 Waples Mill Road, Fairfax, VA 22030
- >> 1-800-868-4411
- >>
- >> CRITICS CONTEND CLINTON USING INS FOR POLITICAL GAIN
- >>
- >>* BACKGROUND CHECKS TRASHED . . . Fingerprint cards for 4,000 to
- >>6,000 citizen applicants under President Clinton's Citizenship
- >>USA program were "tossed in the garbage" instead of being
- >>forwarded to the FBI for mandatory criminal background checks,
- >>according to Kathy Bell, an office automation clerk for the
- >>Immigration and Naturalization Service's Los Angeles branch. The
- >>branch generates more than a quarter of all citizenship
- >>applications nationwide. Source: Los Angeles Times, 10/17
- >>
- >>* MEET YOUR NEW NEIGHBORS: " RAPISTS, . . . EVEN MURDERERS"
- >>"The Clinton administration's blatant manipulation of the INS for
- >>political gain is shocking enough," said California Gov. Pete
- >>Wilson (R) this week. "But . . . I am even more disturbed at
- >>reports that this election-year rush for new voters has weakened
- >>the normal background screening required for citizenship and . .
- >>. allowed thousands of criminal aliens including rapists, drug
- >>traffickers, gun smugglers and even murderers to slip through
- >>the cracks and become U.S. citizens." Gov. Wilson also wrote
- >>Attorney General Reno, urging her to launch a probe into the
- >>matter. Source: Washington Times, 10/22
- >>
- >>* CRIMINALS OKAYED BY CLINTON ADMINISTRATION . . . Earlier this
- >>month, an INS investigator gave congressional testimony that
- >>5,000 applicants under President Clinton's Citizenship USA
- >>program had criminal records. Nevertheless, they were allowed to
- >>become citizens. Source: Washington Times 9/25
- >>
- >>* WHY THE RUSH? WHY, ELECTION DAY. . . Congressional Republicans
- >>contend that the Clinton Administration's "rush to
- >>naturalization" is a move to boost the number of Democratic
- >>voters. "They are misusing the citizenship process for political
- >>purposes, which is not only unethical but illegal," said Rep.
- >>Bill Zeliff (R-NH). Sources: Los Angeles Times, 10/17,
- >>Washington Times, 9/25
- >>
- >>* PRESIDENT CLINTON'S TEXAS TWO-STEP . . . In addition to the
- >>controversy surrounding President Clinton's use of the INS in
- >>California, Texas Gov. George Bush, Jr. (R) has complained about
- >>the administration's decision to redeploy 46 Border Patrol agents
- >>from Texas to California. Although Gov. Bush said he would give,
- >>"...the president the benefit of the doubt," he also added that
- >>"...it seems awfully suspicious that as we come down the election
- >>cycle that there is more emphasis placed on California than
- >>Texas." Source: Los Angeles Times, 10/17
- >>
- >> =+=+=+=+
- >>This information is provided as a service of the National Rifle
- >>Association Institute for Legislative Action, Fairfax, VA.
- >>
- >>This and other information on the Second Amendment and the NRA is
- >>available at: http://WWW.NRA.Org
-
- Well don't this just beat it all! Those of us law-abiding CITIZENS who wish
- to get a CCW, and are "privileged" to live in a state which allows them, STILL
- have to have FBI background checks to exercise a fundamental RIGHT of
- citizenship.
- Non-citizen aliens, who have fewer rights, don't.
- Makes sense to me!
- And makes it clear just whom the administration REALLY fears....
-
- Sarah
- Sarah Thompson, M.D.
- The Righter
- PO Box 271231
- Salt Lake City, UT 84127-1231
- 801-966-7278 (voice mail/fax)
- http://www.therighter.com
-
- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are
- created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with
- certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty
- and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights,
- governments are institutied among men, deriving their just powers
- from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of
- government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
- the people to alter or to abolish it....But when a long train of
- abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object
- evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is
- their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and
- to provide new guards for their future security..."
- The Declaration of Independence
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: WILL THOMPSON <will@phbtsus.com>
- Subject: UTAH'S HEAD OF PUBLIC SAFETY IS READY FOR PRIVATE LIFE
- Date: 25 Oct 1996 17:25:43 -0600
-
- http://www.sltrib.com/96/oct/25/tci/00411143.htm
-
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- Of course, that's only my opinion....
-
-
- > Friday, October 25, 1996
- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
- >
- > UTAH'S HEAD OF PUBLIC SAFETY IS READY FOR PRIVATE LIFE
- >
- > Bodrero -- `a Cop's Cop' -- Plans to Step Down Before the End of the
- > Year
- >
- >
- >
- > Doug Bodrero, head of the Utah Department of
- > Public Safety, will resign. (Paul
- > Fraughton/The Salt Lake Tribune)
- >
- > BY JOSHUA B. GOOD
- > THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
- >
- > Utah's top cop, Department of Public Safety
- > Commissioner Doug Bodrero, has given notice -- the
- > governor has until Jan. 1 to find a replacement.
- >
- > After eight years overseeing the state's
- > law-enforcement branch, Bodrero, 48, said he wants to
- > quit ``while on top.''
- >
- > ``My blood pressure is good and I want to
- > keep it that way,'' he said Thursday.
- >
- > It is not likely he is giving up the
- > $80,000-a-year job for an unemployment check. Bodrero
- > said he is looking at a couple of jobs, including an
- > opening with a Florida-based research group that
- > recently won a U.S. Department of Justice contract to
- > develop domestic-terrorism training for officers.
- >
- > ``Utah and the West have our share of those
- > problems,'' said Bodrero, who would stay in Utah if
- > given the job.
- >
- [...snip...]
- > ------------------------------------------------------
- >
- > ⌐ Copyright 1996, The Salt Lake Tribune
- >
- > All material found on Utah OnLine is copyrighted The
- > Salt Lake Tribune and associated news services. No
- > material may be reproduced or reused without explicit
- > permission from The Salt Lake Tribune.
-
- --
- Will Thompson
- Alpha Engineering
- Philips BTS
- Phone 801.977.1678 Fax 801.977.1602 will@phbtsus.com
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: "larry larsen" <larsenl@tcd.net>
- Subject: Re: UTAH'S HEAD OF PUBLIC SAFETY IS READY FOR PRIVATE LIFE
- Date: 25 Oct 1996 21:26:29 -0600
-
- mine also, he was a good cop gone bad once he took on being a brueaucrat.
-
- ----------
- > From: WILL THOMPSON <will@phbtsus.com>
- > To: lputah@qsicorp.com
- > Cc: utah-firearms@xmission.com
- > Subject: UTAH'S HEAD OF PUBLIC SAFETY IS READY FOR PRIVATE LIFE
- > Date: Friday, October 25, 1996 5:25 PM
- >
- > http://www.sltrib.com/96/oct/25/tci/00411143.htm
- >
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- > Of course, that's only my opinion....
- >
- >
- > > Friday, October 25, 1996
- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
- > >
- > > UTAH'S HEAD OF PUBLIC SAFETY IS READY FOR PRIVATE LIFE
- > >
- > > Bodrero -- `a Cop's Cop' -- Plans to Step Down Before the End of the
- > > Year
- > >
- > >
- > >
- > > Doug Bodrero, head of the Utah Department of
- > > Public Safety, will resign. (Paul
- > > Fraughton/The Salt Lake Tribune)
- > >
- > > BY JOSHUA B. GOOD
- > > THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE
- > >
- > > Utah's top cop, Department of Public Safety
- > > Commissioner Doug Bodrero, has given notice -- the
- > > governor has until Jan. 1 to find a replacement.
- > >
- > > After eight years overseeing the state's
- > > law-enforcement branch, Bodrero, 48, said he wants to
- > > quit ``while on top.''
- > >
- > > ``My blood pressure is good and I want to
- > > keep it that way,'' he said Thursday.
- > >
- > > It is not likely he is giving up the
- > > $80,000-a-year job for an unemployment check. Bodrero
- > > said he is looking at a couple of jobs, including an
- > > opening with a Florida-based research group that
- > > recently won a U.S. Department of Justice contract to
- > > develop domestic-terrorism training for officers.
- > >
- > > ``Utah and the West have our share of those
- > > problems,'' said Bodrero, who would stay in Utah if
- > > given the job.
- > >
- > [...snip...]
- > > ------------------------------------------------------
- > >
- > > ⌐ Copyright 1996, The Salt Lake Tribune
- > >
- > > All material found on Utah OnLine is copyrighted The
- > > Salt Lake Tribune and associated news services. No
- > > material may be reproduced or reused without explicit
- > > permission from The Salt Lake Tribune.
- >
- > --
- > Will Thompson
- > Alpha Engineering
- > Philips BTS
- > Phone 801.977.1678 Fax 801.977.1602 will@phbtsus.com
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: chardy@es.com (Charles Hardy)
- Subject: Letter to Editor
- Date: 29 Oct 1996 13:38:48 -0700
-
-
- I had decided the Trib wasn't going to print this, but it looks like
- it finally made its way to the top of their queue. From today's
- Tribune:
-
- --begin letter--
-
- September 9, 1996
-
-
- Dear Editor;
-
- I'm saddened to see attitudes of disrespect, bigotry, and contempt for
- law-abiding citizens being expressed by the very officials who are
- suppose to be serving them.
-
- In "POLICE NERVOUS ABOUT CONCEALED GUNS" (9/9/96), Sgt. Chuck Illsley
- is quoted as saying, "The people who are applying for these are not
- your upper-middle class citizens wanting to feel safe. Most of them
- look like hoods." Such attitudes are the very reason over 34 State
- legislatures including our own have removed from local police the
- power to arbitrarily decide who may carry a concealed weapon.
-
- A person's right to defend themselves is not dependent on income
- level, race, or taste in clothing. "The Racist Roots of Gun Control"
- _Kansas Journal of Law & Public Policy_, [Winter, 1995]
- <http://www.shadeslanding.com/firearms/cramer.racism.html> by Clayton
- Cramer documents the original intent of gun control in this country
- was to keep blacks, immigrants, catholics and other "hoods" from being
- able to defend themselves. It's a shame such attitudes continue to
- exist in our own valley.
-
- Sincerely
-
- Charles Hardy
-
-
- --
-
- Charles C. Hardy <chardy@es.com> | If my employer has an opinion on
- (801)588-7200 | these topics, I'm sure I'm not
- | the one he would have express it.
-
- Would YOU be willing to give up your favorite federal program if it
- meant never paying another dime in federal income taxes? Check out
- <http://www.harrybrowne96.org> or call 800-682-1776.
-
- "Not a second to be spent in seeking a fight, long hours devoted to
- avoiding it, and, if a fight is imposed upon us, however much time is
- necessary to win it."
- -Mark Helprin, "Mr. Clinton's Foreign Policy", WSJ, Aug 12, 96
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: scott.bergeson@ucs.org (SCOTT BERGESON)
- Subject: Lunch Box Knife Leads to Girl's Arrest
- Date: 30 Oct 1996 21:20:00 -0700
-
-
-
- Lunch Box Knife Leads to Girl's Arrest
-
- COLUMBIA, S.C. (Associated Press) - An 11-year-old honor student who
- packed a knife in her lunch box to cut a piece of chicken has been
- suspended and arrested on charges of having a weapon at school.
- "Mom was busy, and Dad had gone to work," Charlotte Kirk said,
- explaining why she packed the smooth-edged steak knife with her leftover
- peas, chicken, and apple on Oct. 18, 1996.
- After a friend in the cafeteria spotted the knife and suggested it might
- not be allowed, Charlotte went to higher authorities, and got a lecture
- from a teacher and a guidance counselor.
- "I never took it out of the box," Charlotte said. She tried to eat her
- lunch, tearing the chicken with her fingers. "But I didn't eat a lot," she
- said. "I was too upset."
- That afternoon, as she and her father, Carl Kirk, were leaving Hopkins
- Middle School, a deputy sheriff came, put her in his cruiser and drove away -
- not allowing her father to ride along. Charlotte looked out the back window
- all the way to the sheriff's office, making sure her dad was still there.
- Supt. Donald J. Henderson said officials followed policy: "When a weapon
- is found, the police have to be called."
- Charlotte's lawyer, Ben Wofford, said: "Clearly, in Charlotte's
- environment, she doesn't think that a kitchen knife is a weapon."
- Officials decided Friday (10-25-96) not to expel Charlotte after she
- showed up at a hearing with her lawyer and a handful of supportive letters
- from her counselor and teachers. Charlotte can return to class Monday but
- will be on probation, and still faces a hearing in family court.
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