home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Volunteers need for a couple hours this Saturday at State GOP Convention
- Date: 02 May 2000 14:38:03 -0600
-
- You do not need to be a delegate or even a Republican to assist with this
- effort. GOP State Delegates may also help, but will find it easier to do
- so if they are not involved in any multi-county elections first thing in
- the morning.
-
- The Utah Gun Owners' Alliance, headed up by Dr. Sarah Thompson, is
- preparing flyers to pass out to delegates at the GOP State Convention
- this Saturday. These flyers will acquaint delegates with the true,
- anti-self-defense voting record of a couple of the better known
- incumbents facing contested races. In conjunction with some conservative
- delegates, they will also be passing out a "Delegate Guide" to help
- prevent and correct the types of procedural abuses used by some party
- insiders to deny pro-liberty/pro-self-defense candidates a fair chance in
- convention. This guide will be similar to the one passed out at the
- State Convention last year, and similar, though larger than the one
- passed out last weekend at the SLCounty Convention.
-
- We are in need of people willing to pass out these pieces of literature
- as Delegates enter the Convention. Because of the large numbers of
- entrances to the "E" center, we need lots of people to help pass out
- info. For those who have never been to a convention, there are numerous
- groups and individuals passing out information to the delegates and most
- delegates arrive fully expecting and very open to taking whatever info is
- presented. Many will automatically take a copy of whatever flyers are
- being offered. This is an incredibly easy, low-key way to help send a
- strong message of disapproval to anti-gun politicians and a strong
- message of support to current and future pro-gun challengers. In most
- cases the hardest part of doing this is simply getting the flyers from
- your holding hand, into your passing out hand, one-at-a-time, fast enough
- for every delegate who is willing to take one to actually get it without
- having to stop and wait.
-
- I do not have exact schedule yet, but anticipate that volunteers will
- need to be at the E Center in West Valley by about 6:30 am. I fully
- expect that by 9:30, most delegates will have received the information
- and/or we will be out of copies to pass out.
-
- This is the final chance to force these anti-gun incumbents into
- embarrassing primaries or to even oust them altogether by getting 60% of
- the delegates to vote for the challengers and thus give the nomination to
- the challenger without a primary.
-
- Please email me with your availability.
-
- thank you
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
- http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Fw: Meet Steve Stromness in Orem
- Date: 03 May 2000 16:14:25 -0600
-
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- --------- Forwarded message ----------
-
- Dear Friend of Stromness for Governor:
-
- I want to let you know that delegates (and friends of delegates and
- people
- willing to talk to delegates) are invited to come meet me at 7:30 PM
- Thursday evening (yes, that's tomorrow night) at the Van Wagonen home,
- 376
- West 1750 South, Orem. Sorry for the late notice. Please tell any
- friends
- that you have in or near Utah County.
-
- Also I'm still scheduled to be at 1918 W 4100 S, West Valley this evening
- at 7 PM. That's in the H&R Block/Ben Franklin Academy building. Go to
- the
- back entrance and up the stairs. In one room there is to be delegate
- training in Robert's Rules of Order. I'll be in a neighboring room,
- meeting with delegates and answering questions. Please let any friends
- in
- the area know about this one too.
-
- Thank you for your help.
-
- Sincerely,
- Steve Stromness
- Candidate for Utah Governor
- First, Do No Harm
- 435-657-1037
- steves@aros.net
-
-
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
- http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Janalee on Take2 Sunday Morning
- Date: 06 May 2000 23:28:44 -0600
-
- Janalee Tobias of Women Against Gun Control taped a session of "Take2
- With Rod Decker" tonight after the GOP State Convention. It is scheduled
- to air tomorrow (Sunday) morning at 10:30 am. Sorry for the late notice
- but I just found out.
-
- The anti-gun woman she debated on the show apparantly made a number of
- blatantly false statements which Janalee challanged and which Decker said
- he'd check up on. It may be worthwile for those who see the show to take
- a moment to call the Take2 number (I trust it will air on the show) and
- encourage Decker to follow through with getting--AND THEN REPORTING--the
- real facts of the matters discussed.
-
- For any who may be interested, today's Utah State GOP convention was full
- of interesting twists, turns, and results. If no one beats me to it,
- I'll try to get out a more complete report in a couple days when I'm
- better rested. Here are some hightlights,
-
- 1CD Hansen was unchallanged.
- 2CD Cook and Derek Smith face off in a primary. Jeff Wright was quickly
- eliminated on first ballot.
- 3CD Cannon easily avoided a primary in his race.
-
- Senate Seat: After a number of dirty tricks on the part of SL County in
- removing certain delegates and replacing them with others, and with Rob
- Bishop pushing for acceptance of a potentially tainted ballott which the
- convention delegates simply did not want to take time to re-vote on under
- more controlled conditions, Hatch avoided a primary with Greg Hawkins by
- about 55 votes out of some 3500 cast-- ~61.5% to 48.5%. Look for the
- Juvinille (in)Justice Bill to come charging out of committee with all
- anti-gun provisions intact any day now.
-
- State Attorney General: Mylar and Shurtleff face a primary.
- State Treasurer and Auditor were uncontested and went to the incumbants.
-
- Governor's race: Apparantly being scared by poll numbers, Leavitt
- YESTERDAY signed an executive order authorizing State lawsuits against
- the feds over road and wilderness issues. State GOP and Convention
- Chairman Rob Bishop twice refused to remove Leavitt's name from the
- ballot for being in direct, open and flagrant violation of GOP State
- Bylaw # 8 requiring all Statewide and Federal Candidates to file a
- written disclosure with the party 30 days prior to the convention
- declaring either their full support for the party platform or listing any
- areas of disagreement. Best information is that as of yesterday, Leavitt
- had failed to file this disclosure. The majority of delegates agreed
- with Rob on this one. As at last year's State Convention, Leavitt was
- loudly and roundly booed and heckled during his appearances. Glen Davis,
- who to the best of my knowledge did not have a formal presence at any
- county conventions and mailed out only a single 4 page platform, handily
- forced a primary once the other challangers were eliminated during
- multiple ballots. Final results were roughly 53% Leavitt, 47% Davis. In
- what may prove to be a stroke of genius on somebody's part, Davis
- selected Greg Hawkins to be his Lt. Gov running mate. Leavitt and Bishop
- were clearly unhappy, though Leavitt did promise to engage in debates. I
- will be quite happy if SLCo and State GOP officials end up rueing the day
- they engaged in the dirty trick to eliminate Hawkins from the Senate
- primary.
-
- Thank you to those of you who participated and assisted and help make
- some of these victories possible.
-
- As always with these things, it was a long day and the numbers dimished
- for the final round of votes. If the info I received on vote totals
- during the day is at all accurate, it would appear that Conservative
- delegates left in nearly equal numbers as the NEA types. I sincerely
- hope that in the future, conservatives will be dedicated not only to
- attending their caucas meetings with friends and getting elected
- delegates, but will also make whatever schedule adjustments are needed to
- stay at convention until final votes are cast and announced AND will be
- willing to support open and proper debate and demand that the rules be
- upheld throughout the day. Far too many delegates allow every argument
- for "expediancy" from the chair to cut off debate, adopt rules that
- limit our ability to be heard, or to refuse taking time for a fair and
- unbiased re-vote when needed.
-
- We had some small successes today. But we've got a long way to go and we
- need every pro-gun/conservative person we can find to help us. Delegates
- have got to show up to meetings committed to taking the time to do things
- right even if it does mean being there "until Tuesday." They have got to
- be willing to challange and overrule the chair when he is out of line.
- Like minded non-delegates need to show up to assist with leafletting,
- manning booths, etc. I believe some of the success we had today was due
- to the help of a few delegates and non-delegates alike who got "Delegate
- Guides" "UTGOA Candidate Ratings" "Hatch's Gun Record" and "Leavitt's Gun
- Record" flyers into the hands of the majority of delegates. It was
- amazing the difference 15 or so organized people made at this convention
- vs 5 or 6 at previous conventions I've attended. I see no reason why
- that number isn't closer to 150 organized people at next year's
- organizing convention.
-
- Please, plan now to attend the ENTIRE organizing convention next year.
- Honestly, I plan to spend from 6:00 am until past midnight at these
- conventions. If we get out before that (and we do), I consider it "found
- time." Start thinking of good, credible, conservatives to run for party
- office. If you are thinking of running for some office, please make sure
- you have some credetials of service to the party or her candidates. If
- you don't have any yet, get some by actively working on a campaign or by
- finding a volunteer position within the party. Also. if you are on the
- county or State Central Committee, please make sure to attend all the
- meetings this next year. There are clearly a number of areas that need
- some housecleaning and Conservatives will need your support and your
- vote.
-
- Thank you, I'll now step off my soapbox and go to bed.
-
- ----------------
- Charles Hardy
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
- http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Fw: MMM Gun Poll
- Date: 09 May 2000 10:42:25 -0600
-
-
- ----------------
- Charles Hardy
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- --------- Forwarded message ----------
-
-
- Check this out .... we were ahead yesterday, now we seem to be losing
- badly. Everyone needs to vote and fix this !!
- http://www.sltrib.com/
-
-
-
-
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
- http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Post convention polling
- Date: 09 May 2000 22:40:36 -0600
-
- My wife, Jennifer, was just contacted by a poll this evening which, upon
- inquiry, she was told was being funded by "Chris Hill" on behalf of Jeff
- Wright to learn why Jeff showed so poorly. Given the question that were
- asked, however, we believe the information is also going to
- Leavitt/Hatch/et al. I won't attempt to suggest what the "correct" or
- "best" answers might be to the questions, but if you do happen to be
- contacted, I would suggest that this might be one time to consider
- parting with a little more info than you normally do so as to send a loud
- strong message that rank and file, moderate Republicans are unhappy about
- guns, taxes, land issues, and health care/insurance. ... Or...maybe they
- already know that and it is still wise to keep ones cards close to the
- chest, I don't know. Anyway the questions, in order as Jennifer recalled
- them:
-
- Did you attend the convention as a delegate?
-
- First time as a delegate?
-
- Voted for Hatch?
-
- Voted for Leavitt?
-
- (when no)
- Was that vote "FOR" another candidate or was it "AGAINST" Leavitt?
-
- (when for someone else on first ballot, but against Leavitt on second
- ballot)
- Why against Leavitt? What issues?
-
- How did you vote in the 2nd CD?
-
- (when for someone other than Wright)
- Why did you not vote for Wright?
-
- ----------------
- Charles Hardy
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
- http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Counter Million Mom March
- Date: 10 May 2000 14:34:43 -0600
-
- I'm informed and requested to pass along that there will be a protest or
- counter march to the Million Mom March being held in SLC on Mothers' Day.
- Meet at 2:30 pm at the SL city/county building (2100 S State).
-
- For more details call "Bob" at 801-277-0085.
-
- The forward below is from Nancy and is an interesting idea for those
- attending the countermarch.
-
- ----------------
- Charles Hardy
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- --------- Forwarded message ----------
- Message-ID: <002901bfb82c$54877ae0$2e4f56d1@nancyher>
-
- Thank You for taking the time to turn out in support of ôsensible gun
- lawsö
- Please print and distribute to as many people as possible. Leave
- them in places where they will be seen. Post them anywhere. We have
- only one week to issue a reality check to the brain dead American public.
- One week to piss off as many mothers as possible. This document will do
- it.
- Guaranteed. The Million Mothers want to appeal to emotion, so should we.
- Fire up your printer and keep the copies going out.
-
-
-
-
- ======
-
- Thank You for taking the time to turn out in support of ôsensible gun
- lawsö
-
- We here at Rapists for Gun Control
-
- Fully support the effort of the Million Misinformed Mothers to Disarm the
- naive American Public and make the night safer for our members.
-
- Thousands of our members are legally killed each year with firearms by
- women
- exercising their constitutional right to self protection.
- We here at Rapists for Gun Control welcome your help in ending this
- tragedy.
-
- Paid for in part with contributions from Muggers for Gun Control
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
- http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Who's really behind the Million "Mom" March
- Date: 11 May 2000 12:19:17 -0600
-
- A little info about the organizers of the Million "Mom" March:
-
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
-
- ôMillion Mom Marchö, mothers maternal instinct? Bull----! Read this
- article from the Washington Post to uncover people truly behind it. You
- will NOT be surprised!
-
- It exposes the so-called mother (Ms. Donna Dees- Thomases) who was the
- brainchild of the ôMillion Mom Marchö to register all hand guns and more.
- Ms. Donna Dees- Thomases who was supposed to be just a New Jersey mother
- is also:
-
- ╖ A part time publicist for CBS
- ╖ Was Dan RatherÆs publicist
- ╖ Is the sister-in-law of Susan Thomases, who just happens to be
- Hillary Clinton's best friend and closest political adviser
-
- http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/ed-column-2000510173326.htm
-
-
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
- http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Letter in today's DesNews needs response
- Date: 12 May 2000 16:05:05 -0600
-
- This letter appeared in today's (Friday, May 12) opinion section of the
- Deseret News <http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,165011602,00.html?>.
- I believe a response or 100 would be in order.
-
- Concealed guns didn't help
-
- Where were the "pistol-packin' mamas" when we needed
- them Thursday night? The shooting spree at Chevys was tragic, but why
- didn't somebody pull out his or her
- concealed weapon to stop the carnage?
- Did concealed weapons make a difference? I don't think
- so. Could you imagine if several people in Chevys had pulled out weapons
- and opened fire on the gunman? How many
- more deaths would have occurred?
- Concealed weapons don't count for a hill of beans when
- reality kicks in. Random acts of violence will still occur, and concealed
- weapons will only compound the problem or
- make no difference at all ù as was the case in Sandy/Midvale.
-
- Jeff Olsen
- West Valley City
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
- http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: "Karl Pearson" <karlp@colubs.com>
- Subject: Hitler on Guns
- Date: 15 May 2000 17:10:16 -0600
-
- "1935 will go down in History! For the first time, a civilized nation has
- full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient
- and the world will follow our lead to the future!"
- --Adolf Hitler
-
- "History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples
- to carry arms have prepared their own fall."
- --Adolf Hitler, Edict of 18 March 1939
-
-
- We visited my in-laws for Mother's day yesterday. My father was born in
- Germany and knows history. He included in our discussions yesterday some
- interesting things about Hitler's beginnings. He began to require gun owners
- to lock their firearms in a bunker when they were not being used "for
- greater security from thieves". One day, the locks had been changed and no
- one had access to their own firearms. Shortly thereafter, Jews began to die.
- You know that story, and if you are wise, have considered the fact that it
- couldn't have happened if Hitler hadn't first disarmed his citizenry?
-
- You should know that the Million Moron March on Washington D.C. (sorry I've
- given away my bias) was organized by a woman who is a close friend and
- confidant of Hillary Clinton. Also, remember this quote from May, 1991:
-
- "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who
- would resist us have been totally disarmed."
- --Sarah Brady, president of Gun Control, Inc. and wife of James Brady after
- which the Brady Gun Control Bill was named
-
- Ms. Brady has also said that people should not be allowed to own guns for
- self-defense. Yet in debates, employees of Gun Control, Inc. steadfastly
- deny that the organization believes in the policies articulated by its
- leaders. In short, they are lying about what they want to accomplish. This
- is understandable, to be sure; but not honorable, or right for the country.
-
- Those who fail to learn history are destined to repeat it.
-
- Karl Pearson
- karlp@colubs.com
- http://www.xmission.com/~ourfam
-
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: WAGC press conference to counter petition drive
- Date: 18 May 2000 15:05:25 -0600
-
- Janalee Tobias and Women Against Gun Control have called a press
- conference for this Saturday, May 20, at 9:30 am at the Salt Lake Main
- Library, 209 E 500 S.
-
- GOP AG Candidate Frank Mylar is slated to attend.
-
- The press conference will denounce efforts to make targets of children
- and church goers by outlawing legally carried weapons in schools and
- churches. Jan Graham will also be denounced for misuse of taxpayer funds
- in carrying on lobbying efforts.
-
- If you call the Attorney General's Public Information Services phone at
- 801-366-0260 (as listed on the blue "government" page 42 of your USWest
- SLC phone book) and ask for Ms. Graham's voice mail, you will be greeted
- by Ms. Graham welcoming you to the "home of the beagle forum..the voice
- of normal people."
-
- This press conference should be a good kickoff to US-DIN's leafleting and
- information efforts at public libraries that same day to counter the
- petition drive by the gun grabbers.
-
- Please attend if possible.
-
-
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Bill Nash can't do simple math?
- Date: 18 May 2000 14:50:38 -0600
-
- It's no wonder the freedom hating, self-wetting, cry-baby, gun grabbers
- can't grasp the fact that disarming victims (aka gun control) has, does,
- and will kill far more people than it ever saves. They can't even count
- to 25 without error. How could they ever comprehend numbers like 2.5
- million (times a year law abiding citizens twart crime by using or
- threating to use a gun in self defense).
-
- From today's SLTrib front page story on the petition drive to ban legally
- carried guns from schools and churches comes this quote from Bill Nash:
-
- "My experience is if you ask 25 people, 20 will sign it, five will say no
- and one will give you an argument."
-
- 20 + 5 +1 = 26 where I come from. But for Mr. Nash, it somehow adds to
- only 25. :)
-
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
- http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Children need to feel safe
- Date: 18 May 2000 15:34:46 -0600
-
- The following is forwarded as food for thought. A great comeback to the
- gun grabbers "feel safe" argument.
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
-
- ---forwarded message---
-
- In the church/school gun ban initiative summary they say:
-
- "Utah students have a right to feel safe in their
- schools. We, the citizens of Utah, are
- determined to provide a safe and secure
- learning environment, free from the threat of
- gun violence. Schools should be safe places of
- learning........"
-
- In the third grade one of my daughters was asked to take a survey at the
- beginning of the school year. One of the questions was: "I feel safe
- when_____"
-
- Her answer: "I feel safe when dad has a gun".
-
- On a dark night at a high mountain camp I was sitting around a camp fire
- with a bunch of children. I asked them "Are you afraid?" Their answer
- "no!" I asked, "why not!" Their answer "you have a gun."
-
- Children feel safe when they know a responsible adult has the means and
- ability to protect them! And that's the truth.
-
- Kirk Love
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
- http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Fw: Petition Drive
- Date: 19 May 2000 15:58:46 -0600
-
-
- Looks like one of my emails ended up in Jan's hands. Her response is
- below and was originally sent to the same mail lists as I posted my email
- to. Since those are all closed lists, her response never made it
- through. In the interest of giving everyone a fair hearing, and allowing
- you to draw your own conclusions and respond if desired, I'm forwarding
- her message, with the header and her return email address, intact.
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
-
- --------- Forwarded message ----------
- gopconservatives@egroups.com, utbagpiper@juno.com
- Message-ID: <20000519213507.62769.qmail@hotmail.com>
- Received: from mx2.boston.juno.com (mx2.boston.juno.com [63.211.172.34])
- by m10.boston.juno.com with SMTP id AAA6UMN6RAMWQZPJ
- for <utbagpiper@juno.com> (sender <agjangraham@hotmail.com>);
- Fri, 19 May 2000 17:35:11 -0400 (EST)
- Received: from mx2.jersey.juno.com (mx2.jersey.juno.com [209.67.33.111])
- by mx2.boston.juno.com with SMTP id AAA6UMN6RAJD92PS
- for <utbagpiper@juno.com> (sender <agjangraham@hotmail.com>);
- Fri, 19 May 2000 17:35:11 -0400 (EST)
- Received: from hotmail.com (f51.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.51])
- by mx2.jersey.juno.com with SMTP id AAA6UMN6PAMXCWEJ
- for <utbagpiper@juno.com> (sender <agjangraham@hotmail.com>);
- Fri, 19 May 2000 17:35:09 -0400 (EST)
- Received: (qmail 62770 invoked by uid 0); 19 May 2000 21:35:07 -0000
- Received: from 161.119.235.21 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP;
- Fri, 19 May 2000 14:35:07 PDT
- MIME-Version: 1.0
- Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
- Return-Path: <agjangraham@hotmail.com>
- X-Originating-IP: [161.119.235.21]
-
- I wanted to respond to an email you may have recently received regarding
- my
- efforts to assist the Safe to Learn-Safe to Worship Coalition. I
- specifically want to respond to accusations that I have used taxpayer
- money
- to support this effort.
-
- Over the past several days, many people have called the Attorney
- General's
- Public Information Line to inquire about the gun petition drive or the
- Utah
- Beagle Forum. Those questions must be handled by me, not by an AG
- employee,
- so employees have been instructed to forward those calls to my personal
- voice mailbox. My personal voice mailbox is maintained outside of the
- Attorney General's Office and is paid for by me personally. I
- established
- the mailbox for the very purpose of providing a way for citizens to
- contact
- me on political matters so as not to use the resources of the Attorney
- General's Office. Were you to call the Public Information Line to talk
- to
- me regarding a state matter, someone within the office would be happy to
- assist you, or if appropriate, would forward you to my office voice
- mailbox,
- which is maintained within the Capitol.
-
- At no time during the petition drive have I ever given out the number of
- the
- AG Public Information Line (366-0260). People call that number because
- it
- is the number listed in the phone book for the Attorney General's Office.
-
- The only number I have ever given, both in newspaper ads (also paid for
- by
- me) and in interviews, has been to the voice mailbox I personally pay for
-
- and maintain (468-1700). Those who mistakenly call the office instead of
-
- the number provided are told that because it is not an office matter,
- their
- calls must be forwarded to the appropriate number.
-
- As you know, the issue of guns in schools and churches is one of deep
- importance to me, but I have not and would not ever misuse government
- resources as has been alleged. I have a great respect for the Attorney
- General's Office and I believe I have been vigilant in protecting its
- integrity and in acting responsibly as its leader.
- ________________________________________________________________________
- Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
-
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: "Will Thompson" <andelain@aros.net>
- Subject: RE: Hitler on Guns
- Date: 21 May 2000 10:28:45 -0600
-
- I've been seeing this quotation spreading around again, and thought I'd
- forward another viewpoint to these maillists. Take it with the usual
- grain of salt...(not being a Hitler scholar, I have no idea which side
- is correct, although the quotations *seem* a little too perfect to be
- true.)
-
- Will
-
- http://www.saf.org/BogusQuotesAntiGunners.html
-
- http://rkba.org/research/rkba.faq
-
- http://www.guntruths.com/Resource/false_quotations_and_other_misin.htm
-
-
- > -----Original Message-----
- > Subject: Hitler on Guns
- >
- >
- > "1935 will go down in History! For the first time, a civilized nation =
- has
- > full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police
- > more efficient
- > and the world will follow our lead to the future!"
- > --Adolf Hitler
- >
-
- From the Second Amendment Foundation:
-
- BOGUS, FAKE & QUESTIONABLE QUOTES
- FALSELY ATTRIBUTED TO THE
- ANTI-GUNNERS
-
- Gun grabbers twist facts, quote out of context, misuse statistics and
- generally misrepresent their real agenda
- at every turn. And, unfortunately, these deceitful tactics have led to th=
- e
- passage of some gun control
- measures. Their successes through dishonesty have apparently turned some
- well-intentioned pro-gun rights
- people into "creative writers."
-
- But no matter how loathsome our enemies become, that is still no excuse f=
- or
- falsely attributing quotes to
- them. In fact, citing a proven false quote only discredits the rest of th=
- e
- message, even if the person may only
- be unintentionally and unknowingly repeating the made-up quote. This can =
- be
- very damaging to our cause in
- debates, letters to the editor, and interviews. Furthermore, resorting to
- their methods only lowers us to their
- level.
-
- While it is impossible to prove that these are phony quotes, no historian
- has been able to verify the original
- citation required for authenticity. It is better to be safe than sorry. O=
- ne
- anti-gun judge discredited a
- letter writer by pointing out the fake quote used in that letter to the
- editor. The judge writes, "(An
- oft-cited Hitler "quote" about gun registration has been proved to be a
- hoax, though that has not
- stopped many from repeating it.)" CLICK HERE to view the entire Judge's
- column, complete with
- many inaccuracies of his own.
-
- Please do the pro-gun cause a favor =96 If you locate any websites innoce=
- ntly
- citing any of the following
- quotes, please forward the URL of this page to that page=92s webmaster.
- Furthermore, if you can locate
- proof that one of these quotes is in fact valid, please forward the
- information HERE!
-
-
- Adolf Hitler
-
- Perhaps the most infamous bogus quote is attributed to Adolf Hitler.
- Usually, the questionable passage
- reads as follows:
-
- 1935 will go down in History! For the first time, a civilized nation has
- full gun registration! Our
- streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follo=
- w
- our lead to the future!
-
- Note: This passage sometimes features different punctuation and slight
- wording changes including a
- beginning of, =91For the first time in history, a....=92 Various citation=
- s
- include: Adolf Hitler, April 15, 1935, in
- address to the Reichstag; Adolf Hitler 1935 'Berlin Daily' (Loose English
- Translation) April 15th, 1935
- Page 3 Article 2 by Einleitung Von Eberhard Beckmann -"Abschied vom
- Hessenland!". "Adolf" is
- sometimes misspelled as =91Adolph=92 on the Internet.
-
- While the above 'quote' makes a nice T-shirt, there are numerous problems
- with this alleged statement. (1)
- It violates the rule of not beginning a sentence with a number. (2) It is=
- n=92t
- phrased in Hitler=92s style. (3) Major
- changes to the German gun laws occurred in 1928 and 1931 (under the Weima=
- r
- Republic) and in 1938
- (under the Nazi=92s). No significant changes happened in the gun registra=
- tion
- laws in 1935. Furthermore, the
- changes in 1928 and 1931 were designed to disarm the Nazis and Communists
- and therefore it is doubtful
- that Hitler would trumpet the success of any law aimed at his goon squads.
-
- However, if anyone finds the proper historical context from which this
- questionable quote was pulled from,
- and confirms it with their own eyes, please forward the details and your
- contact information HERE!
-
- Until then, please click here for some proven Nazi Quotes. (Coming soon)
-
-
- SARAH BRADY
-
- Sarah Brady gets bashed by pro-gun rights people for repeatedly changing =
- her
- stories, downplaying her real
- agenda, and outright lying. All of these flaws are fair game, but claimin=
- g
- she said something didn=92t will not
- help our cause, and could actually hurt our efforts.
-
- The following quote was probably aimed at reaching veterans and other
- Americans concerned about our
- great country=92s move toward either Communism and Socialism. The falseho=
- od
- reads:
-
- Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who
- would resist us
- have been totally disarmed.
-
- This phony quote is often cited as a statement from Sarah Brady, Chairman=
- ,
- HCI, to Howard Metzenbaum,
- The National Educator, January, 1994, Page 3. "Sarah" and "Metzenbaum" ar=
- e
- sometimes misspelled as
- "Sara" and "Metzanbaum" on the Internet.
-
- There are several problems with this quote, including the fact that the
- common citation does not check out.
- In addition, Sarah Brady would usually be considered a conservative
- Republican on most politic issues
- besides firearms, and therefore not likely to embrace much more of the
- Socialist agenda than gun control.
-
-
- JANET RENO
-
- Janet Reno is no friend to gun owners, and certainly earned her place in
- history for Ruby Ridge and Waco
- disasters, but she did not say the following:
-
- The most effective means of fighting crime in the United States is to out=
- law
- the possession of
- any type of firearm by the civilian populace.
-
- This non-statement, is falsely attributed to Janet Reno, then-state attor=
- ney
- for Dade County, in an alleged
- speech to Ft. Lauderdale, Florida B'nai B'rith gathering. The date that t=
- his
- is to have supposedly occurred is
- listed as 1984, 1991 and even 1995 (as Attorney General). Blame Janet Ren=
- o
- for the atrocities that are
- real, not make-believe statements.
-
-
- CONCLUSION
-
- The bottom line is that it is wise to play it safe! Beat up the gun grabb=
- ers
- for the numerous things that they
- have done and said. Their real actions and statements are bad enough with=
- out
- any embellishment being
- necessary. Stay honest to keep our credibility high and theirs low.
-
- If you have information to the contrary, please send the details and your
- contact information HERE!
-
- The information provided on these pages are from a variety of sources. Fo=
- r
- more information about
- questionable quotations, please visit the GunCite.com website. GunCite.co=
- m
- has an excellent analysis of
- some of these infamous non-statements HERE. In addition, please check out
- Firing Back by Clayton
- Cramer, part of the SAF bookshelf.
-
-
- Copyright =A9 1999 Second Amendment Foundation, All Rights Reserved.
- Second Amendment Foundation
- James Madison Building
- 12500 N.E. Tenth Place
- Bellevue, WA 98005
-
- Voice: 425-454-7012
- Toll Free: 800-426-4302
- FAX: 425-451-3959
- email: www@saf.org
-
-
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Campaign of Intimidation?
- Date: 23 May 2000 13:52:51 -0600
-
- This piece of drivel is from today's DesNews editorial page. Normally
- the strawman arguments and sidestepping of the saliant points (like why
- should a person's right to effectively defend themselves be limited by
- geography, or what evidence is there to suggest Utah's 30,000 CCW
- permitees are not already compentan) would have been bad enough. But the
- closing paragraph, accusing self-defense supporters of waging a "campaign
- of intimidation" is downright slanderous, IMO.
-
- I believe that especially those who turned out to help educate the masses
- need to now take a few moments to write and submit a letter to the
- editor. In addittion to debunking any notion of which side actually is
- more likely to get rude and nasty, it might also be useful to relay any
- observations about whether those signing the petition even knew what they
- were signing. After all, the DesNews thinks we should put this on the
- ballot so Utahns can "express their feelings" at the ballot box. From
- what I've heard, that is all they'll be expressing as the vast majority
- of them lack sufficient information to have any thoughts on the matter.
-
- Gun issue isn't 'winner-take-all'
-
- Deseret News editorial
-
- An intruder turned life upside down for a 51-year-old
- Salt Lake man this past weekend. A 20-something man, he smashed through a
- window and entered the Salt Lake
- residence about 2:40 a.m. Sunday, and the 51-year-old who
- lives there shot him dead. Although the case has not yet been reviewed by
- prosecutors, police assert it rises to the
- level of justifiable homicide.
- Given what we know at this point, it appears the
- homeowner was within his rights to shoot at the intruder. He did so under
- direct threat to him and his wife. We take no issue
- with the shooter's actions, nor with his right to bear arms.
- Unfortunately, this is the kind of case gun-rights
- advocates are likely to latch onto. No one should be surprised if they
- single out this homeowner as a poster boy du jour in the
- lobbying campaign against the "Safe to Learn, Safe to
- Worship" citizen initiative. But to do so would be wrong, because this
- incident is completely unrelated to the aims of the
- citizen initiative.
- Private gun ownership is not an issue here. The
- petition does not concern itself with the debate over whether the Second
- Amendment permits gun ownership or whether it
- refers only to arming a state militia. Nor do we. Instead,
- our concern is twofold: that people who own guns acknowledge and accept
- the responsibilities that come with that right
- and that the gun debate not degenerate into a
- winner-takes-all dialogue. Common-sense answers can be found on middle
- ground if both sides would only cease to view guns as a
- black-and-white issue.
- Guns aren't going away. They have been a part of the
- American landscape from the beginning. Americans need to become educated
- about them and learn to live with and
- respect them.
- Because guns, and private gun ownership, aren't going
- away ù despite the National Rifle Association's incessant harping that
- gun rights are under grave threat ù gun-rights
- advocates should not summarily dismiss every proposed rule or
- law on principle. They should not make the quantum leap in logic that
- says banning concealed weapons from
- schools and churches is a slippery slope to gun confiscation
- by government soldiers.
- Such scare tactics discredit the gun-rights lobby and
- stand in the way of common-sense gun legislation, such as that which
- would require concealed weapons permit-holders,
- who now number 30,000 in Utah, to demonstrate firearms
- competency before they are granted a permit.
- The citizen initiative gives Utahns an opportunity to
- speak on the issue of concealed weapons, whether the Legislature went too
- far in liberalizing the law in 1995.
- Whether Utahns back the initiative or not, they should
- sign petitions to put it to a vote of the people, and those opposed to
- the initiative should stop their campaign of
- intimidation. With a May 30 deadline looming, Utahns need to
- act now so they can express their feelings at the ballot box in November.
-
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: James L. Mayhugh <jimmayhugh@lvcablemodem.com>
- Subject: CCW Forums Website
- Date: 23 May 2000 14:49:30 -0700
-
- I've just launched the CCW Forums website to address the growing
- number of Concealed Handgun Permit Holders throughout the country.
- This forum is meant to be a clearinghouse of information and ideas. I
- am also interested in getting CCW and Firearms Instructors together to
- share views and opinions in a private forum.
-
- If this is of interest to you, please stop by http://www.ccwforums.com
-
- Regards,
- James L. Mayhugh
- NRA Life Member
- GOA Life Member
- LEAA Life Member
- NSRPA Life Member
- JPFO Member
- =46ront Sight Firearms Training Institute Instructor
- NRA Certified Firearms Instructor
- NRA Certified Range Safety Officer
- NRA Recruiter
- Arizona Licensed Firearms Instructor
- North Dakota Licensed Firearms Instructor
- Utah Licensed Firearms Instructor
- E-Mail: jimmayhugh@lvcablemodem.com
- Web Sites: http://www.gmj.com
- http://www.ccwforums.com
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Scott Bergeson <shbergeson@uswest.net>
- Subject: FW: Article I, Section 10
- Date: 24 May 2000 14:33:14 -0600
-
- -----
-
- Notable friends:
-
- I'm sending this to a handful of people in the gun rights
- movement whose opinions I respect, to obtain their judgment of
- one of my ideas/opinions.
-
- A couple years ago while reading the main body of the
- constitution, it struck me that Article I, Section 10 prohibits
- the states from "maintaining troops" without the express consent
- of congress. It seems to me that regarding the question of "the
- meaning of the Second Amendment," that shoots holes in the now-
- popular argument that the Second Amendment was intended to grant
- states the blanket right to maintain National Guard-like
- organized forces.
-
- And yet, I don't recall the issue of Article I, Section 10 ever
- being raised, and when I have raised it, even in the gun rights
- community, I get the sense that no one finds it a very compelling
- argument. By contrast I, possibly as a habitual contrarion,
- don't find the widely popular "quote the founders" (e.g., George
- Mason, "Who are the militia?) arguments terribly compelling --
- VALID, just not very compelling.
-
- The only argument I thought of, and since encountered, against my
- Article I, Section 10, argument, is that possibly the later
- Second Amendment could be construed as overriding it. Here I
- think the "quotes of the Founders" definitely does come into
- play, as I'm sure if there had been ONE example of the Bill of
- Rights REVERSING a basic premise of the constitution, or the
- consensus regarding its intent, the Anti-Federalists, who opposed
- ratification, would have been all over it saying, "See? Your
- constitution isn't even ratified yet and ALREADY you're changing
- it. . ." I have found no evidence at all of such a debate, which
- inclines me to believe that EVERYONE, including the Federalists
- and Anti-Federalists, agreed that the intent of the constitution,
- including, or especially, the constitution with the Bill of
- Rights included, was to prohibit standing armies at any level of
- government, without the consent of congress.
-
- But my basic questions are,
-
- o Has this argument been done, and I'm just not aware of it?
-
- o If it has been done, has it been found wanting in the debate?
-
- o If it is valid, or reasonably so, what is there about it that
- no one but me seems to find it very interesting?
-
- I'll admit I have read and FORGOTTEN more than I now know about
- these historical arguments, so if someone can point me toward
- some writing on the subject -- even if it is embarrassing, "You
- should have remembered THAT" sort of stuff, I'd appreciate it.
-
- --Andy Barniskis
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: FW: Rosie gets a gun?
- Date: 26 May 2000 12:33:13 -0600
-
- Forwarded
-
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
-
-
- http://www.NewsMax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2000/5/25/94428
-
-
-
- With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
-
- For the story behind the story...
-
- Thursday May 25, 2000
-
- Rosie O'Donnell's Bodyguard Gets a Gun - How Nice!
-
- Rosie O'Donnell just hates guns.
-
-
- They are evil. They hurt people. They kill people.
-
- Remember how she treated Tom Selleck on her show for supporting the NRA.
-
- Rosie would like a gun-free world for America - or should we say for the
- rest of America.
-
- For herself, she would like a gun. She would like one for her bodyguard.
- Why? To keep her and her children safe.
-
- Some of Rosie's Greenwich, Conn., neighbors noted the irony recently when
- her bodyguard applied for a gun permit.
-
- Greenwich Police Chief Peter Robbins told the Stamford Advocate that
- indeed Rosie's bodyguard had applied for a concealed weapon permit.
-
- "The facts are [O'Donnell's] bodyguard has made an application for a
- carry permit," Robbins told the paper. "It's under review and I haven't
- yet granted a permit for this applicant."
-
- O'Donnell's spokeswoman, Jennifer Glaisek, explained the move to the
- Stamford Advocate. She said that O'Donnell's children "need a bodyguard
- because they have been the targets of threats, on which she refused to
- elaborate."
-
- Rosie's request raised worries with the local school district after
- rumors floated that the bodyguard would be armed when he brought one of
- O'Donnell's sons to school.
-
- O'Donnell denies that will happen.
-
- She said she has no problem with her decision to get the gun.
-
- "I don't personally own a gun," Rosie told the Advocate, "but if you are
- qualified, licensed and registered, I have no problem."
-
- Funny, Rosie, that's the same policy of the NRA.
-
- O'Donnell also may not be fitting in with her wealthy neighbors in
- Greenwich.
-
- "People here have too much money," she complained to the paper.
-
- Get this, she also claims she wants her kids to attend public schools.
-
- "I come from a working-class background. That's always been the plan."
-
- We'll believe it when we see it. After all, if she wanted to live in a
- blue collar neighborhood and have her kids attend public schools, she
- would have moved to Hoboken, not Greenwich.
- ________________________________________________________________
- YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET!
- Juno now offers FREE Internet Access!
- Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit:
- http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: The rest of the story?
- Date: 30 May 2000 15:52:06 -0600
-
- From today's DesNews' letters to the editor:
-
- No 'heckling,' just nice chat
-
- I found it interesting to read the reports of the
- so-called "heckling" being done by gun advocates recently over the
- conceal-carry petition issue. The article stated that a
- volunteer in South Jordan was "repeatedly harassed until she
- packed up and went home."
- Somehow that statement didn't have the ring of truth to
- it, since I was the individual being accused of committing the alleged
- harassment. The harassing conversation we
- supposedly had consisted of me inquiring about the well-being
- of her recently returned missionary, the warm weather and the beautiful
- trees found in the valley. It was a very
- pleasant conversation, I might add!
- Sure, we have differing political views, but we both
- tried to exhibit courtesy to the other in spite of the fact. I'm afraid I
- didn't find the news report of the incident as
- objective.
- In the end, I carried her chair for her to her van and
- we parted, if not as friends, at least as individuals who respect each
- other's rights. It would be interesting to see how
- many other situations were inflated by inaccurate reporting
- in that article as well.
- Two truths are becoming readily apparent in this day
- and age: Guns save lives and freedom, and the press will not tell the
- truth about that.
-
- Cory Seegmiller
- South Jordan
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Fw: Tell this to Rosie
- Date: 30 May 2000 15:55:05 -0600
-
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- --------- Forwarded message ----------
-
- >RKBA Defenders,
- >
- >especially WAGC*, SAS-AIMM*, Mothers Arms*...
- >[those with their e-mail addresses*, please forward]
- >
- >This is from a 04/13/1999 NPR Real Audio file interview of an ethnic
- >Albanian Kosovar refugee. This lady had once been responsible for the
- >health and safety for Women and Children.
- >
- >Listen to the introduction and then particularly what she says after the
- >3:45 time marker...
- >
- >>"The overwhelming attitude of everyone, men, women, children, young,
- and
- old, was that they just wished that they had arms to protect themselves
- and
- their homes. To protect their dignity. If they had arms, they would not
- have left their homes. They would have stayed."
- >
- >http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/19990413.atc.07.ram
- >
- >NPR knows this. They have seen the situation and reported on it first
- >hand. They have heard the voice of the oppressed, yet their coverage
- >consistently comes down against the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
- >Likewise, Rosie O'Donnell -- mouthpiece for the Misguided Mothers March,
- >now seeks her own arms, even while campaigning to disarm the Great
- >Unwashed.
- >
- >"The ruling class doesn't care about public safety. Having made it very
- >difficult for States and localities to police themselves, having left
- >ordinary citizens with no choice but to protect themselves as best they
- >can, they now try to take our guns away. In fact they blame us and our
- >guns for crime. This is so wrong that it cannot be an honest mistake."
- >--former U.S. Sen. Malcolm Wallop (R-Wy.)
- >
- >Doing my best to "earn this" freedom, on Memorial Day, 2000.
- >
- >Rick V.
- >Jurist
- >
- >
- >--
- >Guns Are Tyranny Control http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/iurist
- >---------------------------------------------------------------
- >The Right to Self Defense is a Fundamental Human Right - RKBA
- >---------------------------------------------------------------
-
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: Scott Bergeson <shbergeson@uswest.net>
- Subject: Fifty Million Round March Endorsements
- Date: 31 May 2000 09:12:03 -0600
-
- You may want to send the casings anonymously but clearly
- postmarked from the appropriate congressional and senatorial
- districts. Perhaps also buff out any traceable chamber marks.
-
- from the Vigo Examiner...
-
- Fifty Million Round March Endorsements
-
- The Fifty Million Round March http://www.50mrmarch.com, a
- grassroots effort to energize the gun owners of America to
- take part, on a direct and individual basis, in influencing
- their elected representatives regarding the need to preserve
- their Second Amendment rights continues to gain momentum.
- Several notable individuals and organizations have endorsed
- the effort and are working together to make the first event,
- to be held on Father's Day, June 18th, a great success.
-
- Fathers and their families, friends and neighbors will be
- gathering at gun ranges all over this nation to shoot
- simultaneously over fifty million rounds as a demonstration
- of their determination to preserve their Second Amendment
- rights. They will then write letters to their elected
- representatives directly charging them to not infringe
- upon those rights.
-
- In support of this effort, J. J. Johnson, a well-known
- writer, speaker, and defender of the Second Amendment said
- that this effort, "asks not for us to travel to Washington,
- but to stay home. Not to cower under the pressure of
- 'political correctness,' but to stand and be counted. We
- here at the Sierra Times (an internet publication, of which
- Mr. Johnson is editor-in-chief) stand in proud support of
- this effort, as well as of those who will join in this --
- the ultimate statement to Washington by the Real Men of
- America..."
-
- L. Neil Smith, another well known and respected Second
- Amendment activist and writer, had these comments about the
- effort, "The Fifty Million Round March is an important,
- ongoing effort to preserve and expand the unalienable
- individual, civil, Constitutional, and human right of every
- man, woman, and responsible child to obtain, own, and carry,
- openly or concealed, any weapon -- rifle, shotgun, handgun,
- machinegun, anything -- any time, any place, without asking
- anyone's permission. It also represents an unignorable means
- of communication to those who previously would not hear us
- and who mistakenly believe they own us. Let them now learn
- differently."
-
- Gary Fleetwood, an Executive Director from the Sporting
- Shooters Association of Australia http://www.ssaa.org.au,
- whose group endorses the Fifty Million Round March in America,
- added his unique perspective when he stated, "Australian
- firearm owners have experienced the swift and savage
- consequences of firearm legislation which was implemented
- because of political expediency. I urge you to participate
- in this activity to indicate to politicians that law abiding
- firearm owners in the United States are unified and will
- deal swiftly at the ballot box with those who support the
- same draconian gun legislation as seen in Australia. The
- same legislation that is being promoted in the United States
- by individuals without roots who prostitute themselves for a
- social agenda."
-
- In addition, two major activist groups, The Second Amendment
- Sisters [www.sas-aim.org], and The Tyranny Response Team
- [www.TRTeam.com], have also declared themselves as endorsing
- organizations of this new Second Amendment preservation
- effort.
-
- In a further, major development Sierra Times
- http://www.sierratimes.com has announced plans to create
- an on-line "Fifty Million Round Photo Gallery" of fathers,
- their families, and their children exercising their Second
- Amendment rights at the various Fifty Million Round March
- events.
-
- J. J. Johnson, Editor-in-Chief of Sierra Times, indicates
- that, "The goal of Sierra Times in support of the Fifty
- Million Round March: 100,000 fathers and their children
- together on Father's day at the gun range. An Internet
- Gallery of Armed Americans -- and their children. A message
- Washington will never forget -- and can't ignore."
-
- Jeff Head, an organizer of the Fifty Million Round March,
- adds, "The Fifty Million Round March fully supports Sierra
- Times in creating an on-line storage medium of pictures of
- fathers and their children ... families and their children,
- exercising their Second Amendment rights together. This will
- send a most powerful message, a message not only to the
- politicians of today, but equally important, a message to
- the upcoming generation in America about a great hallmark of
- their liberty and how it is to be preserved."
-
- For more information, please visit www.50mrmarch.com
-
- Enjoy a 90 day free trial subscription to the E-mail edition
- of the Vigo Examiner. You will receive up to three of our
- top stories, editorials or letters each day. Send your trial
- subscription request to Circulation@Vigo-Examiner.com.
-
- -
-
-
-
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
- From: charles hardy <utbagpiper@juno.com>
- Subject: Fw: Invitation to Governor Leavitt to debate Glen Davis
- Date: 31 May 2000 12:29:00 -0600
-
- FYI or particular interest to Davis county residents.
-
- ==================================================================
- Charles C. Hardy
- Utah Email Coordinator--Women Against Gun Control
- <utbagpiper@juno.com>
-
- --------- Forwarded message ----------
-
- To All:
-
- Could you all call Governor Leavitt's office at 538-1000 or email him at
- governor@state.ut.us to
- request that he participate in this debate. Be sure to mention to his
- secretary that he promised to
- carry the debate from one end of the state to the other. Please pass on
- this email to everyone you
- know.
-
- Thanks,
-
- Dave
-
- PRESS RELEASE--May 30, 2000
-
- The public is invited to hear gubernatorial candidate Glen Davis and his
- running mate Greg Hawkins
- (lieutenant governor candidate) speak at Kaysville's Barnes Park
- (pavilion #1) on Wednesday June 7,
- 2000 at 7:00 P.M. Governor Michael Leavitt has also been invited to
- participate in this event.
-
- At the recent Republican Party State Convention, Glen Davis forced
- Governor Leavitt into a primary
- election, drawing 46% of approximately 3,500 state delegate votes, a
- surprise result that has
- rocked across the nation. At the end of the convention, Governor Leavitt
- promised delegates that he
- would "carry this debate from one end of this state to the other." Will
- the Governor keep this
- promise to debate his opponents? So far there have been no debates. If
- Governor Leavitt does decide
- to attend this debate, citizens will be treated to what is sure to be an
- enthralling debate. If
- not, Davis and Hawkins are still sure to stir citizens' deepest patriotic
- senses.
-
- Davis County citizens may submit questions for this debate prior to the
- start time on a 3"X5" cards
- or email their questions to David A. Hansen at davehansen@juno.com.
- Please include your name and
- telephone number in case I need clarification on your question for the
- Governor.
-
- Barnes Park is located two blocks west of I-15, just north of 200 North.
-
-
- Below is a copy of the invitation sent to Governor Leavitt:
-
-
-
- INVITATION TO GOVERNOR MICHAEL LEAVITT TO DEBATE GLEN DAVIS
-
- Governor Michael O. Leavitt:
-
- Candidate Glen Davis will be at Barnes Park pavilion #1 (two blocks west
- of I-15, just north of 200
- North) in Kaysville at 7:00 p.m. on June 7, 2000. He will be prepared to
- participate in a debate
- with you on issues important to citizens of Davis county and the state of
- Utah.
-
- At the recent Republican Convention you promised to "carry this debate
- from one end of this state
- to the other." I urge you to keep that promise. You said in a recent
- Deseret News (Bob
- Bernick/Lucinda Dillon) article that you didn't understand why the "right
- wing" can't see the
- bigger picture. This is your opportunity to explain the bigger picture to
- all Utah citizens.
-
- I assure you that the debate will be run in a fair and impartial manner.
- Questions will be selected
- from Davis county citizens.
-
- Will you join in the debate?
-
- Please call me to accept this invitation.
-
- Thank you,
-
- -
-
-
-