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From: owner-utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-astronomy-digest)
To: utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: utah-astronomy-digest V1 #59
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utah-astronomy-digest Monday, October 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 059
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 21:49:08 -0600
From: "Gary Liptrot" <n7zi@home.com>
Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:02:11 -0600
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Hey Larry, I was waiting for someone brainy to answer this but I guess
you're stuck with me.
Solution #1 - move south of the equator and maybe the coriolis force will
make it circulate correctly. Good excuse to see the southern skies too.
Solution #2 - Ask Brent Watson. I heard that he had the same problem with
his airplane propeller when he first got his plane. He flew backwards for a
week before he figured out what was wrong.
Solution #3 - In all (some) seriousness, sometimes when I try to figure
something out that is "intuitively obvious" my mind somehow skips over the
"easy" stuff that is the meat of the problem. I would experiment since
there are only four bolts holding it on. Turn it around and check it again.
If it still blows air backwards then goto solution #4.
Solution #4 - Maybe the air is so restricted where you have mounted your fan
that it just can't force air where you planned for it to go. You may be
feeling the back pressure from the effort of the fan trying to blow through
a too small of aperature. The fix here is a better mounting location.
Just kicking around some ideas. I've seen your scope and it looks good.
Got to look through it one of these days.
73 es let me know how it turns out de n7zi
Gary Liptrot
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com
[mailto:owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Larry Frisk
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:00 PM
To: Utah-Astronomy@Lists.Xmission.Com
Subject: (utah-astronomy) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:02:11 -0600
Here is a problem for the brainy bunch.
I was very interested by the discussion that Chuck and Brent were having a
few months ago concerning the use of normalizing fans in telescope tubes.
I sided with Brent and decided that I wanted my fan to draw air from the
top of the tube and exhaust at the bottom to avoid picking up dust from the
ground. Although I really donÆt think it makes much difference because the
amount of airflow is very slight and the mirror probably collects more dust
in storage than in actual use.
I am using a 4" fan that came out of a computer power supply. The scope is
constructed from a 12" diameter Sonotube and is 64" long. The mirror cell is
at the very bottom of the tube and there is about .250 space between the
10"mirror and the fan.
It is pretty obvious from looking at the blade pitch and direction of
rotation which direction the air will flow. I also bench tested the fan just
to make sure which direction to mount the fan.
However, to my amazement, the airflow is backwards. It actually draws air
in from the back and exhausts out the top.
Can any of you explain to me what is happening and why?
BTW I really enjoy reading the comments, interesting ideas, and issues
that all of you write about.
_\\|//_
(-O-O-)
-----o00--(_)--00o-----
Larry & Kaye Frisk
lkfrisk@earthlink.net
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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Larry, I was waiting for someone brainy to answer this but I guess =
you're=20
stuck with me.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Solution #1 - move south of the equator and maybe the coriolis =
force will=20
make it circulate correctly. Good excuse to see the southern skies =
too.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Solution #2 - Ask Brent Watson. I heard that he had the =
same=20
problem with his airplane propeller when he first got his plane. =
He flew=20
backwards for a week before he figured out what was =
wrong.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Solution #3 - In all (some) seriousness, sometimes when I try =
to figure=20
something out that is "intuitively obvious" my mind somehow skips over =
the=20
"easy" stuff that is the meat of the problem. I would experiment =
since=20
there are only four bolts holding it on. Turn it around and check =
it=20
again. If it still blows air backwards then goto solution=20
#4.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Solution #4 - Maybe the air is so restricted where you have =
mounted your=20
fan that it just can't force air where you planned for it to =
go. You=20
may be feeling the back pressure from the effort of the fan trying to =
blow=20
through a too small of aperature. The fix here is a better =
mounting=20
location.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Just=20
kicking around some ideas. I've seen your scope and it looks =
good. =20
Got to look through it one of these days.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>73 es=20
let me know how it turns out de n7zi</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Gary=20
Liptrot</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Larry=20
Frisk<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 05, 2001 8:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
Utah-Astronomy@Lists.Xmission.Com<BR><B>Subject:</B> (utah-astronomy) =
Date:=20
Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:02:11 -0600<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2> <FONT size=3D2>=20
<P>Here is a problem for the brainy bunch.</P>
<P>I was very interested by the discussion that Chuck and Brent were =
having a=20
few months ago concerning the use of normalizing fans in telescope =
tubes. </P>
<P>I sided with Brent and decided that I wanted my fan to draw air =
from the=20
top of the tube and exhaust at the bottom to avoid picking up dust =
from the=20
ground. Although I really don=92t think it makes much difference =
because the=20
amount of airflow is very slight and the mirror probably collects more =
dust in=20
storage than in actual use.</P>
<P>I am using a 4" fan that came out of a computer power supply. The =
scope is=20
constructed from a 12" diameter Sonotube and is 64" long. The mirror =
cell is=20
at the very bottom of the tube and there is about .250 space between =
the=20
10"mirror and the fan.</P>
<P>It is pretty obvious from looking at the blade pitch and direction =
of=20
rotation which direction the air will flow. I also bench tested the =
fan just=20
to make sure which direction to mount the fan.</P>
<P>However, to my amazement, the airflow is backwards. It actually =
draws air=20
in from the back and exhausts out the top.</P>
<P>Can any of you explain to me what is happening and why?</P>
<P>BTW I really enjoy reading the comments, interesting ideas, and =
issues that=20
all of you write about.</P></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2> =20
=20
_\\|//_<BR> =20
(-O-O-)<BR>-----o00--(_)--00o-----<BR> Larry & Kaye=20
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Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 21:04:39 -0600
From: "Larry Frisk" <lkfrisk@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:02:11 -0600
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Hello Gary,
I suspect that your solution #4 is not far off the mark. However this =
would be easier for me to understand if the fan was blowing toward the =
back of the mirror and then bouncing back. ?? I'll play around with it a =
little just to satisfy my curiosity but it's no big deal which way the =
wind blows.=20
Thanks for your suggestions though.
Larry
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gary Liptrot=20
To: utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2001 9:49 PM
Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:02:11 -0600
Hey Larry, I=20
Solution #4 - Maybe the air is so restricted where you have mounted =
your fan that it just can't force air where you planned for it to go. =
You may be feeling the back pressure from the effort of the fan trying =
to blow through a too small of aperature. The fix here is a better =
mounting location.
Gary Liptrot
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com =
[mailto:owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Larry Frisk
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 8:00 PM
To: Utah-Astronomy@Lists.Xmission.Com
Subject: (utah-astronomy) Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:02:11 -0600
=20
Here is a problem for the brainy bunch.
I was very interested by the discussion that Chuck and Brent were =
having a few months ago concerning the use of normalizing fans in =
telescope tubes.=20
I sided with Brent and decided that I wanted my fan to draw air from =
the top of the tube and exhaust at the bottom to avoid picking up dust =
from the ground. Although I really don't think it makes much difference =
because the amount of airflow is very slight and the mirror probably =
collects more dust in storage than in actual use.
I am using a 4" fan that came out of a computer power supply. The =
scope is constructed from a 12" diameter Sonotube and is 64" long. The =
mirror cell is at the very bottom of the tube and there is about .250 =
space between the 10"mirror and the fan.
It is pretty obvious from looking at the blade pitch and direction =
of rotation which direction the air will flow. I also bench tested the =
fan just to make sure which direction to mount the fan.
However, to my amazement, the airflow is backwards. It actually =
draws air in from the back and exhausts out the top.
Can any of you explain to me what is happening and why?
BTW I really enjoy reading the comments, interesting ideas, and =
issues that all of you write about.
_\\|//_
(-O-O-)
-----o00--(_)--00o-----
Larry & Kaye Frisk
lkfrisk@earthlink.net=20
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<P>Hello Gary,</P>
<P>I suspect that your solution #4 is not far off the mark. However this =
would=20
be easier for me to understand if the fan was blowing toward the back of =
the=20
mirror and then bouncing back. ?? I’ll play around with it a =
little just to=20
satisfy my curiosity but it’s no big deal which way the wind =
blows. </P>
<P>Thanks for your suggestions though.</P>
<P>Larry</P></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dn7zi@home.com href=3D"mailto:n7zi@home.com">Gary =
Liptrot</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dutah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com=20
=
href=3D"mailto:utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com">utah-astronomy@lists.xm=
ission.com</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 06, =
2001 9:49=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: (utah-astronomy) =
Date: Fri,=20
5 Oct 2001 20:02:11 -0600</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hey=20
Larry, I </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Solution #4 - Maybe the air is so restricted where you have =
mounted=20
your fan that it just can't force air where you planned for it to =
go. You may be feeling the back pressure from the effort of the =
fan=20
trying to blow through a too small of aperature. The fix here is =
a=20
better mounting location.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Gary=20
Liptrot</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D840283303-07102001><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com=20
[mailto:owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Larry=20
Frisk<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 05, 2001 8:00 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
Utah-Astronomy@Lists.Xmission.Com<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
(utah-astronomy) Date:=20
Fri, 5 Oct 2001 20:02:11 -0600<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2> <FONT size=3D2>=20
<P>Here is a problem for the brainy bunch.</P>
<P>I was very interested by the discussion that Chuck and Brent were =
having=20
a few months ago concerning the use of normalizing fans in telescope =
tubes.=20
</P>
<P>I sided with Brent and decided that I wanted my fan to draw air =
from the=20
top of the tube and exhaust at the bottom to avoid picking up dust =
from the=20
ground. Although I really don’t think it makes much difference =
because the=20
amount of airflow is very slight and the mirror probably collects =
more dust=20
in storage than in actual use.</P>
<P>I am using a 4" fan that came out of a computer power supply. The =
scope=20
is constructed from a 12" diameter Sonotube and is 64" long. The =
mirror cell=20
is at the very bottom of the tube and there is about .250 space =
between the=20
10"mirror and the fan.</P>
<P>It is pretty obvious from looking at the blade pitch and =
direction of=20
rotation which direction the air will flow. I also bench tested the =
fan just=20
to make sure which direction to mount the fan.</P>
<P>However, to my amazement, the airflow is backwards. It actually =
draws air=20
in from the back and exhausts out the top.</P>
<P>Can any of you explain to me what is happening and why?</P>
<P>BTW I really enjoy reading the comments, interesting ideas, and =
issues=20
that all of you write about.</P></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2> =20
=20
_\\|//_<BR> =20
(-O-O-)<BR>-----o00--(_)--00o-----<BR> Larry & Kaye=20
Frisk<BR><A =
href=3D"mailto:lkfrisk@earthlink.net">lkfrisk@earthlink.net</A>=20
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 07:30:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com>
Subject: (utah-astronomy) Baffling a Newtonian
Someone asked me recently about baffling a Newtonian,
and I must confess that I can't locate the folder
where I archived the message, so I don't know who it
was! (The "Senior Moments" are becomming more
frequent....)
Anyway, the article I referred to is in the September
96 issue of Astronomy magazine (one of the 12 issues
I've kept of their entire press run from day 1).
Chuck
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 07:53:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com>
Subject: (utah-astronomy) Aurora monitor
While looking through some old magazines this past
weekend, I found a neat device for detecting auroral
activity. It is essentially a bar magnet suspended by
a thread, inside a clear glass jar (to remove air
current effects) with a light source focused on a
reflective area. When the magnet moves, due to
changes in the earth's magnetic field, the light beam
is deflected slightly. The amount of deflection can
be calibrated to show the approximate level of
disturbance to the earth's magnetic field.
It's called the "$3 Aurora monitor".
If there is any interest, I'll look up the details
again this week, and post them, but I'm sure most list
members grasp this concept instantly, and could build
one from my description alone.
Chuck
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:02:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com>
Subject: (utah-astronomy) Fans
Someone posted to the effect that they wanted to
install a fan, and chose a configuration based on the
logic of a personal choice.
If you want your installation to have a positive
effect, try and ascertain first what the precise
nature of the problem is. Is it tube currents? Local
seeing effects from the ground around you?
Temperature-sensitive astigmatism? Mirror cool-down
taking too long? Lack of clearance between the edge
of the mirror and tube wall?
The real problem will dictate the best solution.
Currently in vogue as a "catch-all" fan installation
is the sideways-blowing mounting. Air is sucked in
from the side of the tube, blown across it's face, and
then out the opposite side of the tube.
I'm not really on-board with this as a universal cure.
It doesn't address tube currents occurring higher up
in the optical path at all, and can cause internal
eddies. It will remove a boundary-layer that is
out-of-equilibrium, however.
For any Newtonian over 6", though, I do advise a fan.
The 37" is getting 3 fans mounted behind the mirror,
blowing into the tube directly onto the back of the
mirror, mounted on Sorbothane with Nylon screws.
Chuck
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:10:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Stitley <sitf2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Aurora monitor
Sounds very interesting - would like more info on magnetb
type to make one and how you note the degree of deflection
- - a scale??? Thanks - neat idea.
Jim Stitley
- --- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote:
> While looking through some old magazines this past
> weekend, I found a neat device for detecting auroral
> activity. It is essentially a bar magnet suspended by
> a thread, inside a clear glass jar (to remove air
> current effects) with a light source focused on a
> reflective area. When the magnet moves, due to
> changes in the earth's magnetic field, the light beam
> is deflected slightly. The amount of deflection can
> be calibrated to show the approximate level of
> disturbance to the earth's magnetic field.
>
> It's called the "$3 Aurora monitor".
>
> If there is any interest, I'll look up the details
> again this week, and post them, but I'm sure most list
> members grasp this concept instantly, and could build
> one from my description alone.
>
> Chuck
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:22:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Aurora monitor
Jim, I'm pretty sure it was in an S & T issue, maybe
ten to fifteen years old. I picked up some old copies
from Patrick last Thursday, and it may have been in
one of those. I'll look it up tonight.
You are on the exact righ track. The author used a
ruler to project the deflected light beam onto, to
make readings easier to interpret.
These days, one may be able to use a pocket laser
pointer instead of a flashlight, and project the
deflected beam across the room. The longer the
distance, the greater the linear deflection, hence
better visibility.
My only concern is random "noise". The jiggles
associated with auroral activity could be lost to
noise unless the jar is mounted with forethought,
maybe on a sorbothane "coaster"....
Chuck
- --- Jim Stitley <sitf2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sounds very interesting - would like more info on
> magnetb
> type to make one and how you note the degree of
> deflection
> - a scale??? Thanks - neat idea.
> Jim Stitley
> --- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > While looking through some old magazines this past
> > weekend, I found a neat device for detecting
> auroral
> > activity. It is essentially a bar magnet
> suspended by
> > a thread, inside a clear glass jar (to remove air
> > current effects) with a light source focused on a
> > reflective area. When the magnet moves, due to
> > changes in the earth's magnetic field, the light
> beam
> > is deflected slightly. The amount of deflection
> can
> > be calibrated to show the approximate level of
> > disturbance to the earth's magnetic field.
> >
> > It's called the "$3 Aurora monitor".
> >
> > If there is any interest, I'll look up the details
> > again this week, and post them, but I'm sure most
> list
> > members grasp this concept instantly, and could
> build
> > one from my description alone.
> >
> > Chuck
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:35:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jim Stitley <sitf2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Aurora monitor
Chuck,
I believe the Chem Shop on north Redwood Road (don't know
address off top of my head) that sells all types of home
lab supplies , sells Bell Jars I believe - usually used to
cover microscopes. Also, some hobby & craftshops sell
things like bell jars to display "neat stuff" under glass.
That might be what I would use to dampen air currents.
Would a pocket laser pointer be too heavy for the magnet
and inhibit turning? What type of magnet was recommended?
If not, that is a neat idea - can see it now - a 6 foot
grid on one living room wall, and the bell jar on the
opposite wall - hhhmmm, new (functional) home art?
Jim Stitley
- --- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Jim, I'm pretty sure it was in an S & T issue, maybe
> ten to fifteen years old. I picked up some old copies
> from Patrick last Thursday, and it may have been in
> one of those. I'll look it up tonight.
>
> You are on the exact righ track. The author used a
> ruler to project the deflected light beam onto, to
> make readings easier to interpret.
>
> These days, one may be able to use a pocket laser
> pointer instead of a flashlight, and project the
> deflected beam across the room. The longer the
> distance, the greater the linear deflection, hence
> better visibility.
>
> My only concern is random "noise". The jiggles
> associated with auroral activity could be lost to
> noise unless the jar is mounted with forethought,
> maybe on a sorbothane "coaster"....
>
> Chuck
>
>
> --- Jim Stitley <sitf2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Sounds very interesting - would like more info on
> > magnetb
> > type to make one and how you note the degree of
> > deflection
> > - a scale??? Thanks - neat idea.
> > Jim Stitley
> > --- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > While looking through some old magazines this past
> > > weekend, I found a neat device for detecting
> > auroral
> > > activity. It is essentially a bar magnet
> > suspended by
> > > a thread, inside a clear glass jar (to remove air
> > > current effects) with a light source focused on a
> > > reflective area. When the magnet moves, due to
> > > changes in the earth's magnetic field, the light
> > beam
> > > is deflected slightly. The amount of deflection
> > can
> > > be calibrated to show the approximate level of
> > > disturbance to the earth's magnetic field.
> > >
> > > It's called the "$3 Aurora monitor".
> > >
> > > If there is any interest, I'll look up the details
> > > again this week, and post them, but I'm sure most
> > list
> > > members grasp this concept instantly, and could
> > build
> > > one from my description alone.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 08:51:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Aurora monitor
The light source isn't carried by the string. The
magnet has a small mirror attached to it. The light
source and screen (or grid) are on the exterior of the
jar.
The one in the article used a Mason jar, but a bell
jar or flask would definitely make it look more
'scientific'!
A light-detecting circuit with a photocell could be
substituted for the grid/ruler, maybe giving increased
sensitivity.
The Chem Shop is still there on Redwood road,
somewhere between 8th and 12th south.
Chuck
- --- Jim Stitley <sitf2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Chuck,
> I believe the Chem Shop on north Redwood Road (don't
> know
> address off top of my head) that sells all types of
> home
> lab supplies , sells Bell Jars I believe - usually
> used to
> cover microscopes. Also, some hobby & craftshops
> sell
> things like bell jars to display "neat stuff" under
> glass.
> That might be what I would use to dampen air
> currents.
> Would a pocket laser pointer be too heavy for the
> magnet
> and inhibit turning? What type of magnet was
> recommended?
> If not, that is a neat idea - can see it now - a 6
> foot
> grid on one living room wall, and the bell jar on
> the
> opposite wall - hhhmmm, new (functional) home art?
> Jim Stitley
>
> --- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Jim, I'm pretty sure it was in an S & T issue,
> maybe
> > ten to fifteen years old. I picked up some old
> copies
> > from Patrick last Thursday, and it may have been
> in
> > one of those. I'll look it up tonight.
> >
> > You are on the exact righ track. The author used
> a
> > ruler to project the deflected light beam onto, to
> > make readings easier to interpret.
> >
> > These days, one may be able to use a pocket laser
> > pointer instead of a flashlight, and project the
> > deflected beam across the room. The longer the
> > distance, the greater the linear deflection, hence
> > better visibility.
> >
> > My only concern is random "noise". The jiggles
> > associated with auroral activity could be lost to
> > noise unless the jar is mounted with forethought,
> > maybe on a sorbothane "coaster"....
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > --- Jim Stitley <sitf2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Sounds very interesting - would like more info
> on
> > > magnetb
> > > type to make one and how you note the degree of
> > > deflection
> > > - a scale??? Thanks - neat idea.
> > > Jim Stitley
> > > --- Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > While looking through some old magazines this
> past
> > > > weekend, I found a neat device for detecting
> > > auroral
> > > > activity. It is essentially a bar magnet
> > > suspended by
> > > > a thread, inside a clear glass jar (to remove
> air
> > > > current effects) with a light source focused
> on a
> > > > reflective area. When the magnet moves, due
> to
> > > > changes in the earth's magnetic field, the
> light
> > > beam
> > > > is deflected slightly. The amount of
> deflection
> > > can
> > > > be calibrated to show the approximate level of
> > > > disturbance to the earth's magnetic field.
> > > >
> > > > It's called the "$3 Aurora monitor".
> > > >
> > > > If there is any interest, I'll look up the
> details
> > > > again this week, and post them, but I'm sure
> most
> > > list
> > > > members grasp this concept instantly, and
> could
> > > build
> > > > one from my description alone.
> > > >
> > > > Chuck
> > > >
> > > >
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Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 10:11:41 -0700
From: "William Kelley" <wekelleylwk@sedona.net>
Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Fans
Chuck,
The fan blowing from the side is not intended to remove the boundary layer
of turbulent
air. It breaks the layer up into microcells of turbulence which have too
short a light path
to refract light enough to distort the image. Alan Adler and Brian Greer
have an article
in press for S&T that will describe this approach.
Turning on the fan produces an instantaneous clearing of the image- even
when the mirror
is not in thermal equilibrium.
Regards to you and all of my SLAS friends,
Bill
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From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com>
To: <utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:02 AM
Subject: (utah-astronomy) Fans
> Someone posted to the effect that they wanted to
> install a fan, and chose a configuration based on the
> logic of a personal choice.
>
> If you want your installation to have a positive
> effect, try and ascertain first what the precise
> nature of the problem is. Is it tube currents? Local
> seeing effects from the ground around you?
> Temperature-sensitive astigmatism? Mirror cool-down
> taking too long? Lack of clearance between the edge
> of the mirror and tube wall?
>
> The real problem will dictate the best solution.
>
> Currently in vogue as a "catch-all" fan installation
> is the sideways-blowing mounting. Air is sucked in
> from the side of the tube, blown across it's face, and
> then out the opposite side of the tube.
>
> I'm not really on-board with this as a universal cure.
> It doesn't address tube currents occurring higher up
> in the optical path at all, and can cause internal
> eddies. It will remove a boundary-layer that is
> out-of-equilibrium, however.
>
> For any Newtonian over 6", though, I do advise a fan.
>
> The 37" is getting 3 fans mounted behind the mirror,
> blowing into the tube directly onto the back of the
> mirror, mounted on Sorbothane with Nylon screws.
>
>
> Chuck
>
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