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From: owner-utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com (utah-astronomy-digest) To: utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: utah-astronomy-digest V1 #45 Reply-To: utah-astronomy-digest Sender: owner-utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-utah-astronomy-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk utah-astronomy-digest Friday, May 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 045 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 11:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> Subject: (utah-astronomy) Weekend star parties? Looks like due to Riverside, there isn't much going on locally this weekend. Anybody planning on going out this weekend? Where? The weather's been so nice these last few days; chances are the clouds will roll in on the weekend, on schedule, but are there any optimists planning to set-up this weekend? Thanks Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:54:28 -0600 From: Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Weekend star parties? If the clouds behave I'll go somewhere, but I'm not certain where -- maybe to Antelope Spring, maybe to the Wedge. -- Joe Bauman - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:37:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Weekend star parties? Thanks, Joe. If you go, and possibly want some company, will you let me know before you take off? I want to try and get away for a night or two, if at all possible, and weather permitting. I am covering for a co-worker who is on vacation, so I may not be able to, but having the option is nice. C. - --- Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> wrote: > If the clouds behave I'll go somewhere, but I'm not > certain where -- maybe > to Antelope Spring, maybe to the Wedge. -- Joe > Bauman > > > > - > Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: > http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:38:36 -0600 From: Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Weekend star parties? Hi Chuck, My friend Conrad Bert and I have decided to head down to the Wedge on Saturday and return on Sunday. That is, assuming the weather will be OK. If you'd like to meet up with us, that'd be great. I'm not sure what time we're leaving since I usually pack the day of the actual trip, then pick up Conrad. Best, Joe - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 12:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Weekend star parties? Thanks. There's a 75% chance I'll be working this weekend, but if I can get away, I'll see you there. C. - --- Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> wrote: > Hi Chuck, My friend Conrad Bert and I have decided > to head down to the > Wedge on Saturday and return on Sunday. That is, > assuming the weather will > be OK. If you'd like to meet up with us, that'd be > great. I'm not sure what > time we're leaving since I usually pack the day of > the actual trip, then > pick up Conrad. Best, Joe > > > > - > Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: > http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:53:08 -0600 From: Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Weekend star parties? That would be great. I'd especially be anxious to look through one of your own make telescopes. -- Joe - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 16:16:14 EDT From: RStmarie@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Off-Topic: Early Aviators Chuck, Good work, however as I am in Memphis attending 727 copilot school I will miss the article in the Trib. Who was the guy and what is his story? Bob St. - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:32:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Off-Topic: Early Aviators Bob, the article should be available on-line as of the day it's printed. I'll make sure you get a copy one way or the other. C. - --- RStmarie@aol.com wrote: > Chuck, Good work, however as I am in Memphis > attending 727 copilot school I will miss the article > in the Trib. Who was the guy and what is his story? > Bob St. > > - > Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: > http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy > To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email > to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of > the message. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:41:49 EDT From: DunnDave@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Weekend star parties? - --part1_3d.c4319b0.283eda1d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit OAS has a public star party on Antelope Island Saturday night. Everyone is welcome to come and participate. If you bring a telescope and tell them that you are with us they will let you in without paying the $7 at the gate. I'm sure a few more telescopes would be appreciated with some of the members out to Riverside. - --part1_3d.c4319b0.283eda1d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>OAS has a public star party on Antelope Island Saturday night. Everyone is <BR>welcome to come and participate. If you bring a telescope and tell them that <BR>you are with us they will let you in without paying the $7 at the gate. I'm <BR>sure a few more telescopes would be appreciated with some of the members out <BR>to Riverside.</FONT></HTML> - --part1_3d.c4319b0.283eda1d_boundary-- - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 15:53:59 -0600 From: "Reynolds, Rich" <rreynolds@acs.utah.edu> Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) Weekend star parties? This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E49C.0966FF70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Where on Antelope Island will it be? Do we need a map? - -----Original Message----- From: DunnDave@aol.com [mailto:DunnDave@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 3:42 PM To: utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Weekend star parties? OAS has a public star party on Antelope Island Saturday night. Everyone is welcome to come and participate. If you bring a telescope and tell them that you are with us they will let you in without paying the $7 at the gate. I'm sure a few more telescopes would be appreciated with some of the members out to Riverside. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E49C.0966FF70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <meta name=3DProgId content=3DWord.Document> <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <meta name=3DOriginator content=3D"Microsoft Word 9"> <link rel=3DFile-List href=3D"cid:filelist.xml@01C0E469.F5830F80">  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=3DEN-US style=3D'tab-interval:.5in'> <div class=3DSection1> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D2 = color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>W= here on Antelope Island will it be?<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> = </span>Do we need a map?<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DEmailStyle15><font size=3D2 = color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><= ![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>= <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> DunnDave@aol.com [mailto:DunnDave@aol.com]<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 24, = 2001 3:42 PM<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com<br> <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: = (utah-astronomy) Weekend star parties?</span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 = face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><![if = !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> <p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 = color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>OAS has a public star party on Antelope Island Saturday night. Everyone is <br> welcome to come and participate. If you bring a telescope and tell them = that <br> you are with us they will let you in without paying the $7 at the gate. = I'm <br> sure a few more telescopes would be appreciated with some of the = members out <br> to Riverside.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span = style=3D'color:black; mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p> </div> </body> </html> - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E49C.0966FF70-- - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:14:20 EDT From: DunnDave@aol.com Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Weekend star parties? - --part1_109.622660.283ee1bc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is at the White Rock Bay Trailhead. They can direct you when you stop that the gate to cross the causeway. When you get across to the Island you go left. They usually have a little flier that they hand out. Also there is a link to the State Park web page on OAS's web page http://physics.weber.edu/oas/oas.html. - --part1_109.622660.283ee1bc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>It is at the White Rock Bay Trailhead. They can direct you when you stop that <BR>the gate to cross the causeway. <BR> <BR>When you get across to the Island you go left. They usually have a little <BR>flier that they hand out. Also there is a link to the State Park web page on <BR>OAS's web page <BR>http://physics.weber.edu/oas/oas.html.</FONT></HTML> - --part1_109.622660.283ee1bc_boundary-- - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 22:16:24 -0600 From: "David Moulton" <dmoulton@rocketmail.com> Subject: (utah-astronomy) Green fireball I have been out of town and was not able to send this along until now... We were at Topaz mountain (hounding as well as observing) and saw a _very_ bright, _very_ green fireball about 1:30 or 2 AM last Saturday morning. It was to the west. Anyone else see it? - -- David Moulton dmoulton@rocketmail.com Carpe Ductum - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 23:37:37 -0600 From: "Chris Russell" <chris@therussells.net> Subject: (utah-astronomy) Star Atlas This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0E4AA.841ADC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have a question for you seasoned astronomy enthusiasts...I'm looking = for a good star atlas book for use during my adventures with my = telescope. In the past, I've used the detailed maps available in = Astronomy and Sky and Telescope magazines. (You know, the ones that = talk about an individual constelation and all the goodies in the = constelation.) But, every time I'm out, I've thought that it shure = would be nice to have that detailed of a map for the other parts of the = sky up there. I've looked at every bookstore I've come across, and I haven't yet seen = a sky atlas that has the detail of one of those charts. The online book = stores are rather vague in their descriptions of their various = astoronomy books. It would also be great if all the objects were listed = in a catalog for easy reference in the same book. So, I pose the = question to those of you who have been around the celestial block, what, = in your opinion, the best atlas out there and why? =20 I look forward to your replies. Thanks! - ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0E4AA.841ADC60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a question for you seasoned = astronomy=20 enthusiasts...I'm looking for a good star atlas book for use during my=20 adventures with my telescope. In the past, I've used the detailed = maps=20 available in Astronomy and Sky and Telescope magazines. (You know, = the=20 ones that talk about an individual constelation and all the goodies in = the=20 constelation.) But, every time I'm out, I've thought that it shure = would=20 be nice to have that detailed of a map for the other parts of the sky up = there.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've looked at every bookstore I've = come across,=20 and I haven't yet seen a sky atlas that has the detail of one of those=20 charts. The online book stores are rather vague in their = descriptions of=20 their various astoronomy books. It would also be great if all the = objects=20 were listed in a catalog for easy reference in the same book. So, = I pose=20 the question to those of you who have been around the celestial block, = what, in=20 your opinion, the best atlas out there and why? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I look forward to your replies. =20 Thanks!</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01C0E4AA.841ADC60-- - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:03:50 -0600 From: Patrick Wiggins <p.wiggins@m.cc.utah.edu> Subject: (utah-astronomy) Re: Star Atlas Howdy! My first advice would be to attend a few star parties and see what's being used. If that's not an option, first thing to get is a planesphere (also known as a rotating star finder). Next have a look at the Mag 5 Star Atlas or Mag 6 Star Atlas from Edmund Scientific (inexpensive and sometimes from Hansen Planetarium). If there's not enough detail there get out your check book and consider Sky Publishing's Sky Atlas 2000.0. (Also sometimes available from the planetarium) And if that's not enough, get out a credit card and pick up Sky Publishing's $250 Millennium Star Atlas. Of course another route to take would be to try some software that plots the sky. My favorite is Voyager from Carina Software ( http://www.carinasoft.com ) but you might also want to have a look at the offerings at http://planet.state.ut.us/software.html , much of which is shareware and freeware. Cheers! Patrick :-) Chris Russell wrote: > > I have a question for you seasoned astronomy enthusiasts...I'm looking for a > good star atlas book for use during my adventures with my telescope. In the > past, I've used the detailed maps available in Astronomy and Sky and Telescope > magazines. (You know, the ones that talk about an individual constelation and > all the goodies in the constelation.) But, every time I'm out, I've thought > that it shure would be nice to have that detailed of a map for the other parts > of the sky up there. > > I've looked at every bookstore I've come across, and I haven't yet seen a sky > atlas that has the detail of one of those charts. The online book stores are > rather vague in their descriptions of their various astoronomy books. It > would also be great if all the objects were listed in a catalog for easy > reference in the same book. So, I pose the question to those of you who have > been around the celestial block, what, in your opinion, the best atlas out > there and why? - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 00:26:09 -0600 From: Patrick Wiggins <p.wiggins@m.cc.utah.edu> Subject: (utah-astronomy) Re: Weekend star parties? Chuck Hards wrote: > > Looks like due to Riverside, there isn't much going on > locally this weekend. > > Anybody planning on going out this weekend? Where? Not exactly local but I'll be doing an astronomy/space exploration talk followed by a star party at Bryce Canyon tomorrow (Friday) night starting at the Bryce Canyon Lodge at 8:30. Free admission. Patrick :-) - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:15:28 -0000 From: "Howard W. Jackman" <sumoetx@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Star Atlas Hello Chris, I've ben very happy with my Sky Atlas 2000.0, it is large and generally covers more than one constellation on each chart (the larger constellations can take a full page or more) it has enough deep sky objects in it to keep you busy for quite a while, and is very well labeled for easy identification of said objects (including the relative orientaion and size of galaxies, not just a symbol showing where and what it is!) I never observe without it!! For more detail and fainter objects I have both volumnes of Uranometria 2000.0, these are very detailed, but each chart shows a very small area. However they also shows fainter stars than "Sky Atlas 2000.0" I've never used it in the field as the books are big, heavy and not really user friendly in the dark unless you've marked the page you need before hand. I use it mainly to find star patterns near difficult objects to help in finding them, I do this by photocopying the page and taking it with me, I'll then use the larger charts in the "Sky Atlas 2000.0" to get close, and then zero in on it with the more detailed chart! I believe that the charts in Sky & Telescope are derived from the "Millenium Star Atlas" which Patrick mentioned. Also you might think of a software program that is free and works fairly well (I think Skymap Pro 6 is better, but it's $100) check out the website at http://www.stargazing.net/astropc/index.html I hope this helps! :-) Clear skies Howard > >I have a question for you seasoned astronomy enthusiasts...I'm looking for >a good star atlas book for use during my adventures with my telescope. In >the past, I've used the detailed maps available in Astronomy and Sky and >Telescope magazines. (You know, the ones that talk about an individual >constelation and all the goodies in the constelation.) But, every time I'm >out, I've thought that it shure would be nice to have that detailed of a >map for the other parts of the sky up there. > >I've looked at every bookstore I've come across, and I haven't yet seen a >sky atlas that has the detail of one of those charts. The online book >stores are rather vague in their descriptions of their various astoronomy >books. It would also be great if all the objects were listed in a catalog >for easy reference in the same book. So, I pose the question to those of >you who have been around the celestial block, what, in your opinion, the >best atlas out there and why? > >I look forward to your replies. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 07:13:14 -0600 From: Joe Bauman <bau@desnews.com> Subject: Re: (utah-astronomy) Star Atlas Group: Could anyone tell me about advantages/disadvantages of Cedar Mountain compared with the Wedge? I just ran across the map showing both locations on the SLAS web site. I've gone to the Wedge many times but I've never been to Cedar Mountain. Thanks, Joe Bauman - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:37:02 -0600 From: "Gary Liptrot" <n7zi@home.com> Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) Star Atlas This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0E4F5.DEED7BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris, I second Patrick's nomination for the Edmund Scientific series, Mag 5 and Mag 6. The first is only about $7 to $9 dollars and the second one is less than $20.00. I have about three scribled up versions of the M5 and two of the M6. I like the Mag 5 because it is easy to flip through the constellations without going to a detailed reference sheet. Its great for knocking off Messier objects in your Astronomical League's observing program if your into that. Its also great for public star parties. When families ask me how to get started in astronomy I always mention binoculars, an easy chair, a red flashlight and a Mag 5 star atlas. I have given many copies of M5 away which is probably why I keep several. I can't pass up doing favors for that young teenager whos parents are excited and they are in awe of the heavens. You can tell when that one in a hundred kid just needs a little shove in the right direction. Now this really doesn't answer your question about getting the very best star chart/book. I'll leave that up to someone who knows the current charts better than I. In the past I have researched different objects out of Burnhams or one of the Astro Magazines and then marked it on my Mag 6 and put it in my observing list for the next trip. I have copies of Wil Terion etc. but just like you I have been asking around for the ultimate deep sky reference. A good combination of visual asthetics and raw data would be nice... B) 73 es CUL de n7zi Gary Liptrot n7zi@home.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Chris Russell Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:38 PM To: utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com Subject: (utah-astronomy) Star Atlas I have a question for you seasoned astronomy enthusiasts...I'm looking for a good star atlas book for use during my adventures with my telescope. In the past, I've used the detailed maps available in Astronomy and Sky and Telescope magazines. (You know, the ones that talk about an individual constelation and all the goodies in the constelation.) But, every time I'm out, I've thought that it shure would be nice to have that detailed of a map for the other parts of the sky up there. I've looked at every bookstore I've come across, and I haven't yet seen a sky atlas that has the detail of one of those charts. The online book stores are rather vague in their descriptions of their various astoronomy books. It would also be great if all the objects were listed in a catalog for easy reference in the same book. So, I pose the question to those of you who have been around the celestial block, what, in your opinion, the best atlas out there and why? I look forward to your replies. Thanks! - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0E4F5.DEED7BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2722.2800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D210050614-25052001>Chris,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D210050614-25052001>I=20 second Patrick's nomination for the Edmund Scientific series, Mag 5 and = Mag=20 6. The first is only about $7 to $9 dollars and the second one is = less=20 than $20.00. I have about three scribled up versions of the M5 and = two of=20 the M6. I like the Mag 5 because it is easy to flip through the=20 constellations without going to a detailed reference sheet. Its = great for=20 knocking off Messier objects in your Astronomical League's observing = program if=20 your into that. Its also great for public star parties. When = families ask me how to get started in astronomy I always mention = binoculars, an=20 easy chair, a red flashlight and a Mag 5 star atlas. I have given = many=20 copies of M5 away which is probably why I keep several. I can't = pass up=20 doing favors for that young teenager whos parents are = excited and they=20 are in awe of the heavens. You can tell when that one in a = hundred=20 kid just needs a little shove in the right = direction.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D210050614-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D210050614-25052001>Now=20 this really doesn't answer your question about getting the very = best star=20 chart/book. I'll leave that up to someone who knows the current = charts=20 better than I. In the past I have researched different objects out = of=20 Burnhams or one of the Astro Magazines and then marked it on my Mag 6 = and put it=20 in my observing list for the next trip. I have copies of Wil = Terion etc.=20 but just like you I have been asking around for the ultimate deep sky=20 reference. A good combination of visual asthetics and raw data = would be=20 nice... B)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D210050614-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D210050614-25052001>73 es=20 CUL de n7zi</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D210050614-25052001>Gary=20 Liptrot</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D210050614-25052001><A=20 href=3D"mailto:n7zi@home.com">n7zi@home.com</A></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D210050614-25052001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of = </B>Chris=20 Russell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> (utah-astronomy) = Star=20 Atlas<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have a question for you seasoned = astronomy=20 enthusiasts...I'm looking for a good star atlas book for use during my = adventures with my telescope. In the past, I've used the = detailed maps=20 available in Astronomy and Sky and Telescope magazines. (You = know, the=20 ones that talk about an individual constelation and all the goodies in = the=20 constelation.) But, every time I'm out, I've thought that it = shure would=20 be nice to have that detailed of a map for the other parts of the sky = up=20 there.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've looked at every bookstore I've = come across,=20 and I haven't yet seen a sky atlas that has the detail of one of those = charts. The online book stores are rather vague in their = descriptions of=20 their various astoronomy books. It would also be great if all = the=20 objects were listed in a catalog for easy reference in the same = book. =20 So, I pose the question to those of you who have been around the = celestial=20 block, what, in your opinion, the best atlas out there and why? =20 </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I look forward to your replies. = Thanks!</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0E4F5.DEED7BC0-- - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:09:06 -0600 From: David Dunn <david_dunn@albertsons.com> Subject: RE: (utah-astronomy) Star Atlas This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E52C.A479A090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I use several maps and charts. The one that I use the most is the Orion Deepmap 600. The thing that I like the best about it is that it shows both NGC and M objects that you will see when you are looking through the telescope. This is real helpfull when you are going through the Virgo Cluster. I also like the layout, which is a fold out like a street map. It is also water proof which helped when the dew came in during the Messier Marathon in March. - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Russell [mailto:chris@therussells.net] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:38 PM To: utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com Subject: (utah-astronomy) Star Atlas I have a question for you seasoned astronomy enthusiasts...I'm looking for a good star atlas book for use during my adventures with my telescope. In the past, I've used the detailed maps available in Astronomy and Sky and Telescope magazines. (You know, the ones that talk about an individual constelation and all the goodies in the constelation.) But, every time I'm out, I've thought that it shure would be nice to have that detailed of a map for the other parts of the sky up there. I've looked at every bookstore I've come across, and I haven't yet seen a sky atlas that has the detail of one of those charts. The online book stores are rather vague in their descriptions of their various astoronomy books. It would also be great if all the objects were listed in a catalog for easy reference in the same book. So, I pose the question to those of you who have been around the celestial block, what, in your opinion, the best atlas out there and why? I look forward to your replies. Thanks! - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E52C.A479A090 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=662125614-25052001>I use several maps and charts. The one that I use the most is the Orion Deepmap 600. The thing that I like the best about it is that it shows both NGC and M objects that you will see when you are looking through the telescope. This is real helpfull when you are going through the Virgo Cluster. I also like the layout, which is a fold out like a street map. It is also water proof which helped when the dew came in during the Messier Marathon in March.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV align=left class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Chris Russell [mailto:chris@therussells.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B> utah-astronomy@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> (utah-astronomy) Star Atlas<BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have a question for you seasoned astronomy enthusiasts...I'm looking for a good star atlas book for use during my adventures with my telescope. In the past, I've used the detailed maps available in Astronomy and Sky and Telescope magazines. (You know, the ones that talk about an individual constelation and all the goodies in the constelation.) But, every time I'm out, I've thought that it shure would be nice to have that detailed of a map for the other parts of the sky up there.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I've looked at every bookstore I've come across, and I haven't yet seen a sky atlas that has the detail of one of those charts. The online book stores are rather vague in their descriptions of their various astoronomy books. It would also be great if all the objects were listed in a catalog for easy reference in the same book. So, I pose the question to those of you who have been around the celestial block, what, in your opinion, the best atlas out there and why? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I look forward to your replies. Thanks!</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> - ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0E52C.A479A090-- - - Visit the Utah Astronomy Message Board: http://pub61.ezboard.com/butahastronomy To unsubscribe from utah-astronomy, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe utah-astronomy" in the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 09:40:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards@yahoo.com> Subject: (utah-astronomy) Re: Star Atlas My 2 cents: The Edmund charts are great for a beginner, but you will outgrow them in a year at the most. Fortunately, they are inexpensive. Give them to a beginner when you outgrow them. Sky Atlas 2000 continues to be the "best for the least". I like the large-sheet format, and it includes enough objects to keep most observers busy for a long time. I advise picking up the field edition, with white stars on a black background, laminated if you can afford it. I love my Uranometria, but the large book format is often cumbersome at the eyepiece. Be sure to get the companion volume, the "Field Guide" to U2000. Alas, Uranometria is currently out-of-print, IIRC. I'm still saving my allowance for the Millenium Star Atlas. Supposedly designed to be used at the telescope, as a bound book it has the U2000 problem of awkwardness at the eyepiece due to the weight of the individual volumes. But it will keep you busy for a lifetime. Anyone doing research or survey projects should have Millenium. I still find myself using my old Skalnate Pleso atlas with epoch 1950 coordinates when star-hopping. I had that atlas laminated myself in the '70's before lamination was offered by the publishers, and old habits die hard. At the scale of large-format atlases, the precession of coordinates isn't a big handicap. Between it and the U2000, I've only drawn a blank a few times over the years. When travelling light, I leave U2000 at home in favor of SA2000. I've never liked Nortons that much, although the gore layout is helpful if you like to sweep west-to-east as the night progresses. The edition I am familiar with is old, and uses antiquated nomenclature. Photographic atlases, such as Vehrenbergs, can be deceiving for beginners. Way too much detail to navigate easily. Better for intermediate observers. Also be warned that ALL atlases and charts contain errata, not all of which is caught by the editor. I've never seen a digital atlas that I liked enough or had a screen appearance that was distortion-free enough to get excited about. (It seems that, on a screen, any resemblance to an actual constellation is purely coincidental.) Again, old habits (especially ones that work) die hard. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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