In a message dated 11/1/02 3:11:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
> abut they did re-educate the boys from the school (some would even call it
> brain washing)
>
>
not really. As Tim explained it, the boys were just being shown the true
blood and gore of war and they would still be free to make up their own minds.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/1/02 3:11:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">abut they did re-educate the boys from the school (some would even call it
<BR>not really. As Tim explained it, the boys were just being shown the true blood and gore of war and they would still be free to make up their own minds.</FONT></HTML>
I think there were many problems that didn't allow for Hsui Tai to be used
better. The actress was pretty but she really didn't know how to act or have
much experience. Don['t get me wrong, despite that I liked her. I think she
tried. I also don't think she had a great knowledge of the English language,
which is understandable. I think that might have added to the realism that
she sometimes gave off. I also felt, for once, that this was really a
foreigner unlike Pavla and the "Russians" in DB. I also like the fact that
some Tp weren't rebellious and acting out but were quiet and reserved. I
think they "TP""British"ed her up too fast, too soon. Some more adjustment
problems might have done well. Also where did she go or live? Another aspect
is the cheap budget didn't allow for much foreign TPs.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>I think there were many problems that didn't allow for Hsui Tai to be used better. The actress was pretty but she really didn't know how to act or have much experience. Don['t get me wrong, despite that I liked her. I think she tried. I also don't think she had a great knowledge of the English language, which is understandable. I think that might have added to the realism that she sometimes gave off. I also felt, for once, that this was really a foreigner unlike Pavla and the "Russians" in DB. I also like the fact that some Tp weren't rebellious and acting out but were quiet and reserved. I think they "TP""British"ed her up too fast, too soon. Some more adjustment problems might have done well. Also where did she go or live? Another aspect is the cheap budget didn't allow for much foreign TPs. </FONT></HTML>
In a message dated 11/1/2002 9:39:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com writes:
> Telepathy was mentioned. Some inconsistencies:
> Stephen alters the memories of the police officers in
> Blue and the Green, but at no other time in the series
> is anyone's memory altered. That would've made more
> sense in Doomsday Men than the astronaut saying their
> secret was safe because 'no one would believe me'!!!
Liz alters the memories of a priest in Secret Weapon, IIRC. I think that it wasn't a constant power because: a) it was a bit of a weak explanation and too much of a plot convenience, and b) and it made them a bit too powerful.
Of course, randomly giving it to the characters and then taking it away isn't great either ^_^;
<DIV>I know this might be a tad off topic, but I figured that since it's the list bday, it's all right. I've made a TP quiz that you all can take (and post to your page or livejournal). </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I promise to make an OS TP quiz just as soon as I get enough images and times. It was easier to do an NS TP quiz because there are only six of them. Also, mucho thanks to Anne, because the images all came from her. </DIV>
<DIV>And after you take it, tell us which TP you are and if you agree or not!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Quiz away, </DIV>
<DIV>Megan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>***</DIV>
<DIV>"Yeah, we just got this new like SuperPower500 oven. It takes like five years to heat up but once it does, watch out! It's beans for every man, woman, and child on the planet!"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>- Kielle</DIV>
<DIV>"Cooking"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>I know this might be a tad off topic, but I figured that since it's the list bday, it's all right. I've made a TP quiz that you all can take (and post to your page or livejournal). </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I promise to make an OS TP quiz just as soon as I get enough images and times. It was easier to do an NS TP quiz because there are only six of them. Also, mucho thanks to Anne, because the images all came from her. </DIV>
<DIV>And after you take it, tell us which TP you are and if you agree or not!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Quiz away, </DIV>
<DIV>Megan</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>***</DIV>
<DIV>"Yeah, we just got this new like SuperPower500 oven. It takes like five years to heat up but once it does, watch out! It's beans for every man, woman, and child on the planet!"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>- Kielle</DIV>
<DIV>"Cooking"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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In a message dated 11/5/02 3:13:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
otherchris@erols.com writes:
> I'm something of a science nut (I'm a big fan of Shaun Hately's
> "Professor Cawston's Papers" articles
Where can I find these? Thanks.
I would say a few miles is about all the TP can jaunt unaided. I also think
that in the past some have said that a blindfold would stop some powers (I
don't agree with that), binding their hands and feet(?!), drugs, mental
problems?, disease or colds?, being nervous or afraid, or...
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/5/02 3:13:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, otherchris@erols.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I'm something of a science nut (I'm a big fan of Shaun Hately's
<BR>I would say a few miles is about all the TP can jaunt unaided. I also think that in the past some have said that a blindfold would stop some powers (I don't agree with that), binding their hands and feet(?!), drugs, mental problems?, disease or colds?, being nervous or afraid, or...</FONT></HTML>
<BR>I doubt it, unless they are only the start (how long does the first season of audios take place in? Two weeks? More?). I imagined it being more than just two. </FONT></HTML>
Did Liz have a matter transporter on when she went to Russia? I seem to
recall she didn't. Did she short hop all the way there? And she also carried
back the Russian doll piece.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Did Liz have a matter transporter on when she went to Russia? I seem to recall she didn't. Did she short hop all the way there? And she also carried back the Russian doll piece. </FONT></HTML>
Did Liz have a matter transporter on when she went to Russia? I seem to recall she didn't. Did she short hop all the way there? And she also carried back the Russian doll piece.
Yes, she was wearing a jaunting belt and apparently, if you're carrying something you don't need a matter transporter.
It says I'm Ami... Humm... Okay maybe, but I was sort of crossing my fingers to be Jade. Okay so I do like yard sales, and interesting trinkets, but I don't talk with my arms THAT much ^_^*. But it is pretty right.
Kristin
--
-I come from the land of the free, home of the brave!
-Scotland?!?!
Rocky and Mac~Chicken Run
To whom it may concern, can you please make it to where I don't take exams at 7.00am, and not have to take exams that don't finish till 10.00pm? My sanity would love you forever.
Oh the frazzled mind of a college student during finals. The gods owe us favors.
"You know you've been watching too much British TV when the accents start to sound normal."
"What if everything you see is more that what you see - the person next to you is a warrior and the space that appears empty is a secret door to another world? What if something appears that shouldn't? You either dismiss it or accept that there is much more to the world than you think."
Shigeru Miyamoto~Creator of Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, and Pikman.
"It's great to be known, but it's even better to be known as strange."
-Takeshi Kaga ~Iron Chef
"tell me what you eat, and I'll tell you who you are." --Brillat-Savarin
>This one's tough. I can't remember anything about this trip. What were
>the circumstances?
>
If memory serves, and it hasn't been ding too well lately, Liz did have a jaunting belt when she went to Moscow. Also Col. Masters gave her cooredents to where she was going in Moscow. IIRC he also went back to the lab just before she had to return to Col. Masters (and company) and had John and Tim look at what she brought back. But then again, because of the corr. given by Masters, maybe she didn't have the belt on.
Eh this is making my head hurt (geeze I hate midterms!)
Kristin
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Thomson Hall
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3rd year middle childhood education major
-I come from the land of the free, home of the brave!
-Scotland?!?!
Rocky and Mac~Chicken Run
To whom it may concern, can you please make it to where I don't take exams at 7.00am, and not have to take exams that don't finish till 10.00pm? My sanity would love you forever.
Oh the frazzled mind of a college student during finals. The gods owe us favors.
"You know you've been watching too much British TV when the accents start to sound normal."
"What if everything you see is more that what you see - the person next to you is a warrior and the space that appears empty is a secret door to another world? What if something appears that shouldn't? You either dismiss it or accept that there is much more to the world than you think."
Shigeru Miyamoto~Creator of Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, and Pikman.
"It's great to be known, but it's even better to be known as strange."
-Takeshi Kaga ~Iron Chef
"tell me what you eat, and I'll tell you who you are." --Brillat-Savarin
In a message dated 11/5/02 11:06:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,
otherchris@erols.com writes:
> Shepherd's Bush was described as practically around the corner from the
> original Lab, so Stephen's jaunt to the hostel was very short indeed,
> probably less than a mile
hUH? In what episode? I mean where was it described as being that close to
Shepard's Bush?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/5/02 11:06:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, otherchris@erols.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Shepherd's Bush was described as practically around the corner from the
<BR>original Lab, so Stephen's jaunt to the hostel was very short indeed,
<BR>probably less than a mile</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
In a message dated 11/6/02 11:24:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mike_stone65@hotmail.com writes:
> One thing I noticed about the new series, is the comedy and comedic
> lines. I thought the comedy was better executed in the NS, and it
> reminded me a lot of "You Can't Do That On Television." So that makes
> sense. Lee Pressman sounds familiar too -- where have I heard that name
> before
Sorry can't agree. I mean well I do. It was a lot like YOU CAN'T, which was
funny and a comedy show. But it needed to be reigned in in THE TP. I mean YOU
CAN'T was cute and funny because there were no reigns, no laws and no said
story. THe Tp needed all of the things that U CAN'T lacked. It didn't really
get them IMO.
<<I do miss the earlier days of Nickelodeon. Was it actually a Canadian
owned network, or American?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Not sure but I believe it was American. They did have A LOT of foreign movies
from all over the world, Canadian shows, British shows, and so many
interesting things.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/6/02 11:24:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike_stone65@hotmail.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">One thing I noticed about the new series, is the comedy and comedic
<BR>lines. I thought the comedy was better executed in the NS, and it
<BR>reminded me a lot of "You Can't Do That On Television." So that makes
<BR>sense. Lee Pressman sounds familiar too -- where have I heard that name
<BR>Sorry can't agree. I mean well I do. It was a lot like YOU CAN'T, which was funny and a comedy show. But it needed to be reigned in in THE TP. I mean YOU CAN'T was cute and funny because there were no reigns, no laws and no said story. THe Tp needed all of the things that U CAN'T lacked. It didn't really get them IMO.
<BR>
<BR><<I do miss the earlier days of Nickelodeon. Was it actually a Canadian
<BR>owned network, or American?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<BR>
<BR>Not sure but I believe it was American. They did have A LOT of foreign movies from all over the world, Canadian shows, British shows, and so many interesting things.
In a message dated 11/7/02 1:34:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tptigger42@earthlink.net writes:
> Culex and Monsoon Man were pitched at
> the same time as Ramases Connection -- really, if you were an exec,
> which would you pick MM or RC?
>
>
Uh, none of them. I mean RC was good but it did have those silly aliens in
that silly fog stuff. Really silly.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Culex and Monsoon Man were pitched at
<BR>the same time as Ramases Connection -- really, if you were an exec,
In a message dated 11/7/02 5:01:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
David_M_Yates@msn.com writes:
> deeper, requiring an active choice to scan, or not to scan. As Stephen was
> able to scan, and erase sections of the police inspector's (rather limited)
> mind in TBATG, then they obviously CAN scan sap minds....perhaps they simply
> choose
EEK! Forgot this. Maybe scanning isn't the same as reading. Maybe Stephen
could just find the stuff about the Tp and aliens and could erase that. Maybe
he can't really read the man's thoughts but just what his memories were? A
stretch I know.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/7/02 5:01:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, David_M_Yates@msn.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">deeper, requiring an active choice to scan, or not to scan. As Stephen was
<BR>able to scan, and erase sections of the police inspector's (rather limited)
<BR>mind in TBATG, then they obviously CAN scan sap minds....perhaps they simply
<BR>EEK! Forgot this. Maybe scanning isn't the same as reading. Maybe Stephen could just find the stuff about the Tp and aliens and could erase that. Maybe he can't really read the man's thoughts but just what his memories were? A stretch I know. </FONT></HTML>
The original series also had at least one unmade script for the finale after
the story WAR OF THE EMPIRES.
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Idea: Nitpickers Guide to The Tomorrow People
Date: 08 Nov 2002 20:58:30 EST
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In a message dated 11/8/02 5:15:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tillicum@lineone.net writes:
> in the 1st century
> BC. If you're wondering where this is going, Stephen says
this might show my ignorance but, I've always had problems with this, what
exactly are the years of the 1st century BC?
1st Century AD?
etc?
I'd rather just call a year a year rather than use a century term but if you
or anyone else can explain this, I'd appreciate it. I also seem to realize
that the numbers in BC go backwards up to year 1 AD.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/8/02 5:15:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, tillicum@lineone.net writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">in the 1st century
<BR>BC. If you're wondering where this is going, Stephen says </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>this might show my ignorance but, I've always had problems with this, what exactly are the years of the 1st century BC?
<BR>
<BR>1st Century AD?
<BR>etc?
<BR>
<BR>I'd rather just call a year a year rather than use a century term but if you or anyone else can explain this, I'd appreciate it. I also seem to realize that the numbers in BC go backwards up to year 1 AD.</FONT></HTML>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Idea: Nitpickers Guide to The Tomorrow People
Date: 08 Nov 2002 21:17:09 -0500
in the 1st century
BC. If you're wondering where this is going, Stephen says
this might show my ignorance but, I've always had problems with this, what exactly are the years of the 1st century BC?
1st Century AD?
etc?
I'd rather just call a year a year rather than use a century term but if you or anyone else can explain this, I'd appreciate it. I also seem to realize that the numbers in BC go backwards up to year 1 AD.
Blame the "religious" folks for that - BC is supposed to mean Before Christ and AD Anno Domini - aka Year of our Lord - now they say BCE - Before Common Era.
Different countries use different calendars, but we're stuck with that numbering system now.
Viv
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Subject: Re: TPDIS: Idea: Nitpickers Guide to The Tomorrow People
Date: 08 Nov 2002 22:29:29 EST
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In a message dated 11/8/02 9:17:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Dark4eyes@aol.com writes:
> Blame the "religious" folks for that - BC is supposed to mean Before Christ
> and AD Anno Domini - aka Year of our Lord - now they say BCE - Before
> Common Era.
>
> Different countries use different calendars, but we're stuck with that
> numbering system now.
>
>
Well the BC thing I understand but I don't understand the Century thing and
worse, the Century BC thing.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/8/02 9:17:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, Dark4eyes@aol.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Blame the "religious" folks for that - BC is supposed to mean Before Christ and AD Anno Domini - aka Year of our Lord - now they say BCE - Before Common Era.
<BR>
<BR>Different countries use different calendars, but we're stuck with that numbering system now.
Subject: Re: Canon? (was Re: TPDIS: Limits to TP powers?)
Date: 10 Nov 2002 12:36:30 EST
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Maybe there are many universes of TPs and some of the same stories (maybe
all?) happen but happen in different ways.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Maybe there are many universes of TPs and some of the same stories (maybe all?) happen but happen in different ways.</FONT></HTML>
<BR>Well I was ready to diagree with your statement but your statement reminded me of something: Pavla killed herself, even though it could be argued that she really wasn't a TP. </FONT></HTML>
<BR>seemed jealous of Mike's relationship with John (I'll let the obvious
<BR>pass by for now) and his killing Hsui Tai (had they ever even me</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
In a message dated 11/11/02 1:43:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
otherchris@erols.com writes:
> Hmmm. I'd like to agree with you here, as it sort of supports what I was
> saying, but I'm not sure it hangs together. She didn't so much kill
> herself as remove herself from the vicinity of others who would be hurt
> when her implant was detonated. It's not quite the same thing, as she
> didn't choose to die.
>
>
Very true. But she did throw herself out a high story window but I see your
point it was to save the others.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/11/02 1:43:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, otherchris@erols.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hmmm. I'd like to agree with you here, as it sort of supports what I was
<BR>saying, but I'm not sure it hangs together. She didn't so much kill
<BR>herself as remove herself from the vicinity of others who would be hurt
<BR>when her implant was detonated. It's not quite the same thing, as she
In a message dated 11/11/02 2:22:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, ade@bestweb.net
writes:
> BUT....in the same way that on Highlander, immortals can tell other
> possible immortals, the TP can tell possible TPs. We know this from
> "Slaves". That is how they found Stephen in the first place.
>
> So if you are born to be a TP then the inate "non-kill" instinct should
> be there.
>
>
>
>
Hmm, not sure about this. I don't know that there are those "born" to be a TP
that would have a non kill instinct. I guess it's nature vs nurture. I think
if some possible Tps start to choose a life of secret agency, killing, and
mean doing, they would NOT have that non kill instinct unless it started to
make them feel guilty. Not sure about all that.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/11/02 2:22:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, ade@bestweb.net writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">BUT....in the same way that on Highlander, immortals can tell other
<BR>possible immortals, the TP can tell possible TPs. We know this from
<BR>"Slaves". That is how they found Stephen in the first place.
<BR>
<BR>So if you are born to be a TP then the inate "non-kill" instinct should
<BR>Hmm, not sure about this. I don't know that there are those "born" to be a TP that would have a non kill instinct. I guess it's nature vs nurture. I think if some possible Tps start to choose a life of secret agency, killing, and mean doing, they would NOT have that non kill instinct unless it started to make them feel guilty. Not sure about all that.</FONT></HTML>
In a message dated 11/11/02 2:28:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
otherchris@erols.com writes:
> cause a death, at least accidentally. One of the
> > common criticism of "The Blue and the Green" is that they may have
> > inadvertently cause many deaths by putting the whole world to sleep.
>
>
I doubt that this is the case. I mean I'm sure they would have checked who
they were putting to sleep.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/11/02 2:28:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, otherchris@erols.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">cause a death, at least accidentally. One of the
<BR>> common criticism of "The Blue and the Green" is that they may have
<BR>> inadvertently cause many deaths by putting the whole world to sleep.
<BR>I think if someone chooses to kill, it is unwirable. I think there is good reason to think a TP that was choosing to kill, would either turn evil bypassing the prime barrier or die from that choice. Or maybe even a future Tp would not break out for choosing to kill ...Remember John was taken over and about to kill Liz in HEART OF SOGGOTH and he would have had she not jaunted or am I remembering this wrong? </FONT></HTML>
<BR>Nope. They used a satellite and the entire world went to bed.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR>So you think they wouldn't have made allowance for people driving, flying planes etc? I think the story would have followed a different course if that were the case. I think there were instances of people in their cars, who were driving, asleep and not dead at the wheel in some accident. I also cannot and willnot accept the fact that the Tp would put everyone to sleep and cause death...remember they were trying to stop violent death...</FONT></HTML>
In a message dated 11/11/02 4:36:04 PM Eastern Standard Time,
greyfalcon_1@yahoo.com writes:
> doesn't mean she wasn't a vegetarian, but I doubt a
> monsastary that practiced routine human sacrifices
> would be opposed to eating meat for religious reasons.
> :-)
Uhm, there were only two of them that knew the sacrifices were for real I
think. That would mean the pretense of trying to do thing the "religious
way". Not being up on my Tibetan research I'm not sure if they ate meat or
not.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">doesn't mean she wasn't a vegetarian, but I doubt a
<BR>monsastary that practiced routine human sacrifices
<BR>would be opposed to eating meat for religious reasons.
<BR>Uhm, there were only two of them that knew the sacrifices were for real I think. That would mean the pretense of trying to do thing the "religious way". Not being up on my Tibetan research I'm not sure if they ate meat or not. </FONT></HTML>
In a message dated 11/11/02 3:58:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
alpropes@bitstream.net writes:
> We've seen aggression in TPs throughout the series.
>
> Finally, being a TP doesn't make you more than human; they're be subject
> to the same mental strains, conditions, and illnesses as Saps.
>
>
True but just because those conditions mentioned still affect Tp, doesn't
mean they are exactly human. There was much confusion about this in the show.
At times they were no longer considered Earthlings but that could have just
been political mumbo jumbo on Timus's part or the Galactic Fed part.
Certainly they had differences even in the makeup of their brains or
brainwave patterns. Also Stephen mentions how he'd like to show the bullies a
thing or two in BLUE AND THE GREEN but can't because they are so peaceful or
is he just bragging and being a coward (I don't think so)? John tells Mike
they can't be secret agents like James Bond in DIRTIEST BUSINESS because the
conflict in their minds would kill them. The Tp (or was it the alien dad?)
are responsible for the Fathership destroying itself when they move (but this
was just a maneuver not a death move and no one on the ship really seemed to
know that the Fathership would destroy itself if they shot at them), all from
INTO THE UNKNOWN. John knocks over a Nazi boy in HITLER'S LAST SECRET and
Mike and John both vanish away from high flying kicking attackers in THE LOST
GODS, making the attackers fall (and go unconscious?). In SECRET WEAPON,
Chris says (but what does he know anyway?), "I could kill you, but they
can't, you see?" This was just after a long impassioned speech to the Prime
Minister about how TP are the best hope for peace the world has. Which echos
Carol's great speech to Stephen in ep1 of SLAVES.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">We've seen aggression in TPs throughout the series.
<BR>
<BR>Finally, being a TP doesn't make you more than human; they're be subject
<BR>to the same mental strains, conditions, and illnesses as Saps.
<BR>True but just because those conditions mentioned still affect Tp, doesn't mean they are exactly human. There was much confusion about this in the show. At times they were no longer considered Earthlings but that could have just been political mumbo jumbo on Timus's part or the Galactic Fed part. Certainly they had differences even in the makeup of their brains or brainwave patterns. Also Stephen mentions how he'd like to show the bullies a thing or two in BLUE AND THE GREEN but can't because they are so peaceful or is he just bragging and being a coward (I don't think so)? John tells Mike they can't be secret agents like James Bond in DIRTIEST BUSINESS because the conflict in their minds would kill them. The Tp (or was it the alien dad?) are responsible for the Fathership destroying itself when they move (but this was just a maneuver not a death move and no one on the ship really seemed to know that the Fathership would destroy itself if they shot at them), all from INTO THE UNKNOWN. John knocks over a Nazi boy in HITLER'S LAST SECRET and Mike and John both vanish away from high flying kicking attackers in THE LOST GODS, making the attackers fall (and go unconscious?). In SECRET WEAPON, Chris says (but what does he know anyway?), "I could kill you, but they can't, you see?" This was just after a long impassioned speech to the Prime Minister about how TP are the best hope for peace the world has. Which echos Carol's great speech to Stephen in ep1 of SLAVES. </FONT></HTML>
<BR>Interesting. Since we never will know, canon wise, why Stephen (and Tyso) had to be "moved out" fiction wise, this makes either great sense or little sense, depending on the circumstances. Mike was more jealous of the fact that he had very little to do compared to Stephen but as they were only in two stories together (ONE LAW-Mike's break out story and INTO THE UNKNOWN) this is not even a thought for canon but all speculation. </FONT></HTML>
In a message dated 11/11/02 5:01:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
otherchris@erols.com writes:
> They can sense someone who's close to breaking out, but that's not quite
> the same thing as sensing possible TPs
Uh? How so? I figure that if someone is close to breaking out, they can sense
them and contact them but not really know totally the mind. In addition what
is the difference between a possible TP and a person breaking out (into a
TP?).?
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">They can sense someone who's close to breaking out, but that's not quite
<BR>the same thing as sensing possible TPs</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>Uh? How so? I figure that if someone is close to breaking out, they can sense them and contact them but not really know totally the mind. In addition what is the difference between a possible TP and a person breaking out (into a TP?).?</FONT></HTML>
The whole Jedikiah thing is a mess too. First he was a bionic robot that
could shape shift as an ability. Then he just made himself look like a robot
and was a shape shifter in the second story. Later he was called an android I
think but seemed more human-like. So to call his killing by Peter a murder is
sort of in gray areas again. Sigh. Peter did kill Rubowski and lived though.
But again, Peter himself is a gray area: is he just a TP? Is a Time Guardian
subject to the exact same laws (which are gray enough for pure TPs from the
present day Earth) as Tps and non TGs?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>The whole Jedikiah thing is a mess too. First he was a bionic robot that could shape shift as an ability. Then he just made himself look like a robot and was a shape shifter in the second story. Later he was called an android I think but seemed more human-like. So to call his killing by Peter a murder is sort of in gray areas again. Sigh. Peter did kill Rubowski and lived though. But again, Peter himself is a gray area: is he just a TP? Is a Time Guardian subject to the exact same laws (which are gray enough for pure TPs from the present day Earth) as Tps and non TGs? </FONT></HTML>
<BR>Although they were clearly using stock footage, and not anything they shot
<BR>themselves (it was pretty elaborate for something like that - but maybe
<BR>I'm wrong), but there was at least one shot with a car off the road and a
<BR>person on top of it - not explicitly dead, but one can wonder.</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>They're also facing an impending crisis that would have killed everybody
<BR>on the planet. Chances are, given the circumstances, their brains would
<BR>have blocked out the carnage</FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">Cry foul! This is never stated on the show as a possibility as far as I know. They cannot block out carnage they created. Given the circumstances I imagine that they would have found a way to use the satellite to monitor people that would have died when sleeping and found a way to either wait until those people were out of danger or that they actually didn't put them to sleep at the same exact time.
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">anticipate the consequences hope most of the planes were on autopilot, or
<BR>traffic control would order them to engage it after the first large
<BR>section of the planet went under.
<BR>
<BR>They also had to take the risk that they would be too late; what section
<BR>of the planet would you be willing to sacrifice if the hatching happened
<BR>I don't think each part of the Earth was stunned at the exact same time but I could be wrong. Anyway, I cannot accept the fact that any deaths happened due to this plan.
Perhaps they also use some kind of forcefield to cushion all impacts of
people falling, cars crashing, etc.
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In a message dated 11/11/02 5:37:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, ade@bestweb.net
writes:
> Well then all this shouldn't be such a huge surprise to you. (It sounds
> from your notes that this is all new ideas here).
>
> Sci-Fi is Sci-Fi. It isn't supposed to be realistic. Science FICTION is
> the important thing to remember.
>
> >>>Uh, yeah, at least five times or more! :)
>
>
No it's not a surprise, I just never thought the TP killed anyone in THE BLUE
AND THE GREEN and as in DOCTOR WHO there is a lot open to interpretation and
speculation, none of which is really accurate because there is no right
answer, just a jumble of messes on screen! :)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/11/02 5:37:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, ade@bestweb.net writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Well then all this shouldn't be such a huge surprise to you. (It sounds
<BR>from your notes that this is all new ideas here).
<BR>
<BR>Sci-Fi is Sci-Fi. It isn't supposed to be realistic. Science FICTION is
<BR>No it's not a surprise, I just never thought the TP killed anyone in THE BLUE AND THE GREEN and as in DOCTOR WHO there is a lot open to interpretation and speculation, none of which is really accurate because there is no right answer, just a jumble of messes on screen! :) </FONT></HTML>
In a message dated 11/11/02 5:47:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
alpropes@bitstream.net writes:
> I think it's safe to say that everyone has, at one time or another, rushed
> into some action, not thinking of the possible consequences or
> reprocussions. It's very possible that they all got cought up in the only
> possibility they could think of to save Earth, and missed the details.
>
> How is it any different than if a TP drove a car, had an accident, and
> killed a passenger or other driver? Does the Prime Barrier make them
> better drivers? Obviously no, accidents happen - sometimes fatal ones. The
> Prime Barrier cannot protect the TPs from consequences they could not, or
> did not, forsee.
>
> Now the big question is, did Tim, who, being a computer, is a bit more
> detatched from the situation, purposely stay silent? ;)
>
>
Nice arguement but I don't buy it. If they didn't think about what they would
be doing to people when they put them all to sleep, then that is murder. IMO.
The Opps clause doesn't come into play because they had to know. And as for
it being an "accident" or a series of accidents, that doesn't work either in
my opinion---these were deliberate stoppages during times they knew people
would be killed. I'd rather think they used some kind of forcefields even in
a limited way to cushion the impacts somehow. It certainly makes more sense
than having the Tp commit what amounts to mass murder.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I think it's safe to say that everyone has, at one time or another, rushed
<BR>into some action, not thinking of the possible consequences or
<BR>reprocussions. It's very possible that they all got cought up in the only
<BR>possibility they could think of to save Earth, and missed the details.
<BR>
<BR>How is it any different than if a TP drove a car, had an accident, and
<BR>killed a passenger or other driver? Does the Prime Barrier make them
<BR>better drivers? Obviously no, accidents happen - sometimes fatal ones. The
<BR>Prime Barrier cannot protect the TPs from consequences they could not, or
<BR>did not, forsee.
<BR>
<BR>Now the big question is, did Tim, who, being a computer, is a bit more
<BR>detatched from the situation, purposely stay silent? ;)
<BR>Nice arguement but I don't buy it. If they didn't think about what they would be doing to people when they put them all to sleep, then that is murder. IMO. The Opps clause doesn't come into play because they had to know. And as for it being an "accident" or a series of accidents, that doesn't work either in my opinion---these were deliberate stoppages during times they knew people would be killed. I'd rather think they used some kind of forcefields even in a limited way to cushion the impacts somehow. It certainly makes more sense than having the Tp commit what amounts to mass murder. </FONT></HTML>
In a message dated 11/11/2002 5:52:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, CMento6653 writes:
> Nice arguement but I don't buy it. If they didn't think >about what they would be doing to people when they put them >all to sleep, then that is murder. IMO. The Opps clause >doesn't come into play because they had to know. And as for >it being an "accident" or a series of accidents, that doesn't >work either in my opinion---these were deliberate stoppages >during times they knew people would be killed. I'd rather >think they used some kind of forcefields even in a limited >way to cushion the impacts somehow. It certainly makes more >sense than
> having the Tp commit what amounts to mass murder.
What if the TP used telepathy to make people stop working? I realize that it would be extremely difficult to influence so many people at once, but it makes more sense than killing a bunch of innocent people. Or maybe they pulsed the stun gun shots, so that first people got extremely tired (and so pulled off the road, etc) and then another to put them out? Sure, this is far-fetched, but so is having the TP kill. And a giant stun gun in space ^_^;
In a message dated 11/11/2002 6:00:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, tptigger42@earthlink.net writes:
> Welcome to the list, you've officially experienced list telepathy. :) I
> have a nearly ready to post fanfic along those line (except it's an
> Original series fic, so we're talking more along the lines of early
> '80's video games). I think it would, to some extent, depend on the
> Tomorrow Person and the graphic nature (or lack thereof) of the game.
> Tyso probably wouldn't have objected to them, but I don't think they'd
> exactly be Adam's cup of tea. Hard to say about Megabyte-- it's fairly
> clear that he and Kevin are playing some sort of adventure game in The
> Origin Story, but who knows what else he's got lying around?
> Tigger
If memory serves, Kevin was playing "Sonic the Hedgehog" in The Culex Experiment, in which "killing" robots only turns them back into their original forms of fuzzy bunnies and other cute animals. And Dr. Robotnik (sp?) certainly doesn't die, because he's in many a sequel...
I think TPs playing violent games would vary just like saps playing them. Some people were disgusted by Mortal Kombat, but I thought it was fun (if a little gross sometimes - the sequels more than the original). Likewise, I don't think any TP with a knowledge of computer graphics and who was mildly desensitized would be bothered, but Granny TP might have a problem with them.
In a message dated 11/11/02 6:01:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
alpropes@bitstream.net writes:
> I guess I need to know how they "had" to know. Given the circumstances, I
> could see them totally forgetting, and focusing on the big picture. I also
> don't
Then they are incredibly stupid
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I guess I need to know how they "had" to know. Given the circumstances, I
<BR>could see them totally forgetting, and focusing on the big picture. I also
In a message dated 11/11/02 6:01:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
alpropes@bitstream.net writes:
> . I also
> don't see how you could call it murder. Let's say they didn't think
Well if you decided to put all the doctors in the world to sleep or anyone
with any medical expierence, and patients died, isn't that murder? Same
thing. Or if you decided to take all electric power away from every hospital
in the world. Same thing.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">. I also
<BR>don't see how you could call it murder. Let's say they didn't think </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>Well if you decided to put all the doctors in the world to sleep or anyone with any medical expierence, and patients died, isn't that murder? Same thing. Or if you decided to take all electric power away from every hospital in the world. Same thing.</FONT></HTML>
In a message dated 11/11/02 6:04:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tptigger42@earthlink.net writes:
> Yes but you're forgetting two important facts: 1) he hesitated and
but then fulfilled his mission. Liz would be dead if she didn't jaunt.
2) it
> was this act that allowed John to break Sogguth's control of him.
Only for a moment! He was back under in two seconds I think.
Also,
> I always saw it as John making himself miss, but that's a little more
> subjective
Hmm, He didn't miss. He hit the spot where Liz was exactly before she left.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/11/02 6:04:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, tptigger42@earthlink.net writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Yes but you're forgetting two important facts: 1) he hesitated and </FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">but then fulfilled his mission. Liz would be dead if she didn't jaunt.
<BR></FONT><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I always saw it as John making himself miss, but that's a little more
In a message dated 11/11/02 6:04:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tptigger42@earthlink.net writes:
> You're telling me that the Sorsons are better at mind control than
> Sogguth (who was strongly implied to be the devil)?
>
>
Who said the Sorsons used mind control? Where? When?
<<<The Lost Gods novelization indicates that the temple was located in the
Himalayas for whatever that's worth.>>>>>>
Isn't that in Tibet?
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">You're telling me that the Sorsons are better at mind control than
<BR>Sogguth (who was strongly implied to be the devil)?
In a message dated 11/11/02 7:36:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Latimer84@aol.com writes:
> What if the TP used telepathy to make people stop working? I realize that it
> would be extremely difficult to influence so many people at once, but it
> makes more sense than killing a bunch of innocent people. Or maybe they
> pulsed the stun gun shots, so that first people got extremely tired (and so
> pulled off the road, etc) and then another to put them out? Sure, this is
> far-fetched, but so is having the TP kill. And a giant stun gun in space
> ^_^;
>
>
This might actually work. We do know that the Tp cannot really affect non
telepaths but we also have seen them do it (erasing parts of other's minds
for instance and not just in the BLUE AND THE GREEN--I'm sure to make others
convinced of things they manipulated minds like the priest in SECRET WEAPON
and a doctor in DIRTIEST BUSINESS (?) maybe?. They also used TIM to show "the
real violence" to Paul and Douglas in DOOMSDAY MEN so maybe they can get into
the minds of others and influence them. Not to mention the fact that maybe
the Tp put some people to sleep using the old way...stun guns from the hip
but that's unlikely to have had major affects on mass population!
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/11/02 7:36:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, Latimer84@aol.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">What if the TP used telepathy to make people stop working? I realize that it would be extremely difficult to influence so many people at once, but it makes more sense than killing a bunch of innocent people. Or maybe they pulsed the stun gun shots, so that first people got extremely tired (and so pulled off the road, etc) and then another to put them out? Sure, this is far-fetched, but so is having the TP kill. And a giant stun gun in space ^_^;
<BR>This might actually work. We do know that the Tp cannot really affect non telepaths but we also have seen them do it (erasing parts of other's minds for instance and not just in the BLUE AND THE GREEN--I'm sure to make others convinced of things they manipulated minds like the priest in SECRET WEAPON and a doctor in DIRTIEST BUSINESS (?) maybe?. They also used TIM to show "the real violence" to Paul and Douglas in DOOMSDAY MEN so maybe they can get into the minds of others and influence them. Not to mention the fact that maybe the Tp put some people to sleep using the old way...stun guns from the hip but that's unlikely to have had major affects on mass population! </FONT></HTML>
In a message dated 11/11/02 8:39:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,
otherchris@erols.com writes:
> Flipping over to the NS, Adam can't kill a shark, even though it's a
> clear danger at the time.
>
>
And yet they easily kill mosquitos in CULEX.
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<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Flipping over to the NS, Adam can't kill a shark, even though it's a
In a message dated 11/11/02 9:03:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
otherchris@erols.com writes:
> The point of these sort of discussions is to work with what we're given
> by the powers that be. I respect your choice, but for me at least,
> picking and choosing which bits of the series I allow in my personal
> canon really isn't an option. I'm an "all or nothing" sort of chap :-)
>
>
Well I'm not taking out what I see on screen. I'm taking out what ELSE went
on via everyone's observations. Telling me that the Tp would allow what is
tantamount to mass death is not in line with the show and what we do see and
hear throughout the series.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/11/02 9:03:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, otherchris@erols.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The point of these sort of discussions is to work with what we're given
<BR>by the powers that be. I respect your choice, but for me at least,
<BR>picking and choosing which bits of the series I allow in my personal
<BR>canon really isn't an option. I'm an "all or nothing" sort of chap :-)
<BR>Well I'm not taking out what I see on screen. I'm taking out what ELSE went on via everyone's observations. Telling me that the Tp would allow what is tantamount to mass death is not in line with the show and what we do see and hear throughout the series. </FONT></HTML>
TP cannot normally kill but it's their choice not to: and most of the time
they pick the choice to not kill. If they do kill...they go crazy or die. I
think there are exceptions to this.
TP, if they kill animals directly, will also have a conflict or die, however
this might be directly related to what that individual Tp believes in his own
belief system: ie if Tyso really thought deep down that killing animals was
killing (why he wouldn't I don't know), he would die or go nuts.
As a footnote to the animal thing: In one of the stories from the novels
Stephen saves Bron, an alien animal on a planet that is either about to be
destroyed or (I can't recall) is being mined and blown up by the three Tp to
stop a collision. Now Stephen had to save Bron but there were many other
animals. Did the Tp let them die?
Accidents: I think judging from Peter's sadness over Rubowski who did
die...and not from Peter's exact choice (accident), that Tp would not go nuts
or die from accidents, however the individual accident needs to be examined.
If a Tp was trying to shoot a machine very near a human and accidentally hits
the human, I believe that TP would go insane or die. Again, there are
probably exceptions to all of this.
Meat: Tp probably don't eat meat but if they wanted to I imagine they could.
They are not directly killing the animals.
Everything goes back to changing the world and making it better, ending wars
and stopping violence and making peace as Carol stated in SLAVES IMO.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In my personal TP canon (no basis in TP reality):
<BR>
<BR>TP cannot normally kill but it's their choice not to: and most of the time they pick the choice to not kill. If they do kill...they go crazy or die. I think there are exceptions to this.
<BR>
<BR>TP, if they kill animals directly, will also have a conflict or die, however this might be directly related to what that individual Tp believes in his own belief system: ie if Tyso really thought deep down that killing animals was killing (why he wouldn't I don't know), he would die or go nuts.
<BR>
<BR>As a footnote to the animal thing: In one of the stories from the novels Stephen saves Bron, an alien animal on a planet that is either about to be destroyed or (I can't recall) is being mined and blown up by the three Tp to stop a collision. Now Stephen had to save Bron but there were many other animals. Did the Tp let them die?
<BR>
<BR>Accidents: I think judging from Peter's sadness over Rubowski who did die...and not from Peter's exact choice (accident), that Tp would not go nuts or die from accidents, however the individual accident needs to be examined. If a Tp was trying to shoot a machine very near a human and accidentally hits the human, I believe that TP would go insane or die. Again, there are probably exceptions to all of this.
<BR>
<BR>Meat: Tp probably don't eat meat but if they wanted to I imagine they could. They are not directly killing the animals.
<BR>
<BR>Everything goes back to changing the world and making it better, ending wars and stopping violence and making peace as Carol stated in SLAVES IMO.
In a message dated 11/12/2002 9:33:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kristyfah@hotmail.com writes:
> (BTW: I remember the ticket I got once when I fell asleep at the wheel...
> the officer marked it "Driving to fast for conditions"... always made me
> wonder what the safe speed was for driving while asleep.)
LOL
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<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">(BTW: I remember the ticket I got once when I fell asleep at the wheel... <BR>
the officer marked it "Driving to fast for conditions"... always made me <BR>
wonder what the safe speed was for driving while asleep.)</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
I have somewhere in my room a TP annual that had instructions on how to make a jaunting belt. I made one for a speech that I had to do my sophomore year (wow was that really last year... Scary) in class. I can dig out the annual when I go home next time, and send you the instructions of you want.
Kristin
Yeah yeah midterms are over! Now all I have left to do is finish writing my Harry Potter lesson plan, do three more presentations, and then have final exams! When does it all end?!?!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Doctor TOC" <otherchris@erols.com>
>> To: "TP Dis" <tpdis@lists.xmission.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 4:45 PM
>> Subject: TPDIS: Costuming Query
>>
>> > In a bid to demonstrate that I'm not just interested in death, I was
>> > wondering if anyone out there has built their own jaunting belt (forget
>> > the bands - too gaudy), as I was interested in constructing my own. I've
>> > not ventured into SF costuming before, being the sort of man whose
>> > encounters with needle and thread have either been the result of a visit
>> > to the hospital, or rapidly precipitate a visit to the hospital... but I
>> > figure I might be able to do something like this without over-taxing my
>> > health insurance.
>> >
>> > So, does anyone have any hints, tips or thoughts on how to construct a
>> > classic jaunting belt prop?
>> >
>> > Doctor TOC
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Oh the frazzled mind of a college student during finals. The gods owe us favors.
"You know you've been watching too much British TV when the accents start to sound normal."
"What if everything you see is more that what you see - the person next to you is a warrior and the space that appears empty is a secret door to another world? What if something appears that shouldn't? You either dismiss it or accept that there is much more to the world than you think."
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I once started a transcript of the origin story (my car broke down and I was
waiting for a ride, so I had nothing to do except sitby the side of the road
and do that from memory.
unfortunately, when my car brokedownthenext weekf or the finaltime,t he
transcript went with itto the dump.
I only have Slaves DVD, but Iwould be glad to proofread if anyone needs it.
Karen
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I once started a transcript of the origin story (my car broke down and I was waiting for a ride, so I had nothing to do except sitby the side of the road and do that from memory.<BR>
unfortunately, when my car brokedownthenext weekf or the finaltime,t he transcript went with itto the dump.<BR>
I only have Slaves DVD, but Iwould be glad to proofread if anyone needs it.<BR>
I made a smaller version of the belt (pinreally) (1.5X2in.) out of wood,hot
glue, craft jewels and white and black paint. Oh andareally big safety pin.
Remembering the exact order of the squares (outlined, rounded squares really)
was fun,andthen deciding on a boy or girl version. I did the main version,
since only Liz wore the other style. Except mike in the episode with Pavla,
his belt kept changing.
Karen
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="0">I made a smaller version of the belt (pinreally) (1.5X2in.) out of wood,hot glue, craft jewels and white and black paint. Oh andareally big safety pin.<BR>
Remembering the exact order of the squares (outlined, rounded squares really) was fun,andthen deciding on a boy or girl version. I did the main version, since only Liz wore the other style. Except mike in the episode with Pavla, his belt kept changing.<BR>
Very amazing. I also love the underground station pics. How did you find
this? Amazing. I wish they had used more of these outside scenes.
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haven't set mine up yet but I did get one from INTERNATIONAL VIDEO AND
ELECTRONICS on line and a Sampo for dvd. I also was able to get it during a
sale for less than 150 or so. And they have multi region vcrs too.
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is it just me or are the following theopening sequence by series. first hand then honeycomb? I wonder whose eye they will use when the time comes (if itcomes) Carol or Elizabeth?<BR>
In a message dated 11/21/02 12:29:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
otherchris@erols.com writes:
> I have to say I was also rather surprised at the ending, which takes on
> a rather ominous tone considering it was the last story in the series.
>
>
What was this ending? Can you tell me with a spoiler of course?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/21/02 12:29:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, otherchris@erols.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I have to say I was also rather surprised at the ending, which takes on
<BR>a rather ominous tone considering it was the last story in the series.
I was looking in the Lillian Vernon toy catalog and saw a create your own rhinestone belt buckle kit, and I wondered if something like that that could be used to make a TP belt. I don't think the belt/rhinestones would be the right dimensions to make the TP belt (the rhinestone settings on the buckle are set in five rows of 8, so it would be difficult to fit the three rows of the TP belt on to it. But maybe there is something similar out there, that could work. So keep your eyes peeled, in of ya'll who want a belt.
I was looking in the Lillian Vernon toy catalog and saw a create your own rhinestone belt buckle kit, and I wondered if something like that that could be used to make a TP belt. I don't think the belt/rhinestones would be the right dimensions to make the TP belt (the rhinestone settings on the buckle are set in five rows of 8, so it would be difficult to fit the three rows of the TP belt on to it. But maybe there is something similar out there, that could work. So keep your eyes peeled, in of ya'll who want a belt.
I was looking in the Lillian Vernon toy catalog and saw a create your own rhinestone belt buckle kit, and I wondered if something like that that could be used to make a TP belt. I don't think the belt/rhinestones would be the right dimensions to make the TP belt (the rhinestone settings on the buckle are set in five rows of 8, so it would be difficult to fit the three rows of the TP belt on to it. But maybe there is something similar out there, that could work. So keep your eyes peeled, in of ya'll who want a belt.
Sorry about the multiple posting, AOL is freaking out on me.
Karen
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My TV ZONE shows that in January they will release SLAVES OF JEDIKIAH and
following months will release MEDUSA STRAIN and VANISHING EARTH? What the
heck?
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In a message dated 11/28/02 4:12:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ers24@hermes.cam.ac.uk writes:
> have to say I thought that a lot of people would find the commentary on
> Doomsday Men quite offensive - I was shocked by it.
>
>
Can you tell me why or tell us why?
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/28/02 4:12:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, ers24@hermes.cam.ac.uk writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">have to say I thought that a lot of people would find the commentary on
<BR>Doomsday Men quite offensive - I was shocked by it.
In a message dated 11/28/02 9:27:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
rockhopper@ev1.net writes:
> arts could seriously have a problem with people
> different from themselves.
>
>
Well maybe not so different.
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/28/02 9:27:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, rockhopper@ev1.net writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">arts could seriously have a problem with people
<BR>Huh? Didn't they kill the Culex mosquitos and Culex herself? I found the Tp here to be just kids with special abilities, not some new evolving species with non violent tendencies. It could have been any show where people just picked up ESp like powers. IMO. Otherwise I agree with almost all of what you said. I don't think the pilot was the best. I rather liked the unaired pilot best because it was somewhat better acted and less silly. But I'd have to pick the RAMSES story because it had the least silliness and had lots of suspense and more serious villains. Unfortunately it had those other stupid beings (aliens?) which were not explained really and a Tp from the past (which is fine in and of itself but contradicts the Original Series greatly). </FONT></HTML>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: NS vs. OS (was: How do the Jaunting Belts work?)
Date: 29 Nov 2002 16:35:24 EST
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In a message dated 11/29/2002 2:39:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
> I wonder if this was his decision, or if the show kindly gave him his
> walking papers?
>
Yes! Finally something I can answer and finally have a first post. I read a
story online that incorporated an interview with Kristian Schmid (Adam from
the NS). He said Adam Pearce (Kevin) left because the writers couldn't think
of any way to expand his character, which is a real shame because he was
different from the other TP. He was able to read minds long before he broke
out, which I found cool. I'll try to find the article again. It had some
interesting info such as Christian Tessier and Kristen Ariza got hypothermia
during the Origin Story (the place where they filmed the spaceship was a very
cold beach) and that it wasn't fun taping The Living Stones. Kristian said
something about it not being fun anymore.
PJ
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>In a message dated 11/29/2002 2:39:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, jackie@effdee.demon.co.uk writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I wonder if this was his decision, or if the show kindly gave him his
<BR>Yes! Finally something I can answer and finally have a first post. I read a story online that incorporated an interview with Kristian Schmid (Adam from the NS). He said Adam Pearce (Kevin) left because the writers couldn't think of any way to expand his character, which is a real shame because he was different from the other TP. He was able to read minds long before he broke out, which I found cool. I'll try to find the article again. It had some interesting info such as Christian Tessier and Kristen Ariza got hypothermia during the Origin Story (the place where they filmed the spaceship was a very cold beach) and that it wasn't fun taping The Living Stones. Kristian said something about it not being fun anymore.
Subject: Re: TPDIS: NS vs. OS (was: How do the Jaunting Belts work?)
Date: 29 Nov 2002 23:07:43 EST
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Actually, this artical is part of what I consider a great TP site. I
wouldn't be surprised if many of you have seen it before.
PJ
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Actually, this artical is part of what I consider a great TP site. I wouldn't be surprised if many of you have seen it before.
anyone address my concerns: TV zone reports Jan as the release of SLAVES OF
JEDIKIAH, and the following months as the release of MEDUSA STRAIN and
VANISHING EARTH, which have already come out! The Blackstar sites reports
both VHS and DVD for DOOMSDAY MEN have been deleted!!!!
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