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From: Jackie Newman <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: More Ethical comments
Date: 01 Mar 1999 21:35:23 +0000

Kristy mailed me a few of her comments and I thought I should fill you
all in on my ideas.

I have planned the story outline already but cannot decide upon a
suitable ending. It goes like this...

The story is set in a boarding school run by Liz and John with help from
Adam and Ami, ( Does anyone else see Ami as a teacher?). The year is
2010 and they are all adult with relationships and children of their
own.

A man in a prominent position in society has abused his children and
probably murdered his wife. His kids (brother and sister) are tp's but
don't know it yet. One of them ends up in a coma in hospital and the
tp's save her. The brother is suspicious of the tp's and goes to the
school to investigate.

The father brings the police to search the school and accuses the tp's
of kidnapping his children. There is a struggle, the boy jaunts to
protect the sister, the father falls down the stairs and possibly dies.
The scene is frozen and the tp's discuss possible solutions.

I know the old series characters well and have added a few characters of
my own (i.e. Angeriana, who can reanimate pple) but I need input on how
the new series tp's would comment in a major debate.

It would be fun to include your ideas on how each character would
react/vote in this situation.

I was wondering whether this is more suitable to the fict list but it's
not story ideas I want rather character analyses. Can anyone help?

BTW here are the comments Kristy sent to me, she was responding to
Beth's recent post.

Kristy Fahrenwald wrote:

>  1. As Beth said, we don't know how often Tyso was treated this way or
> how far things actually went.  Your(Jackie's) story has more definatly
> crossed the line between a harsh parenting style and abuse.
>
>  2. When the TP came in contact with Tyso they were still themselves
> very young.  They may have felt inadequete at the time to judge
> parenting skills/styles.  In your (Jackie's) story the TP are much older
> and have children of their own.  They may be more likely to interfere
> even in a situation like his at this point in their lives.
>
> Kristy
>
>

I'll leave it there for now and see whether I get any useful responses.

Jackie


--
May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled.
                (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting)



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From:    jane starr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: More Ethical comments
Date: 01 Mar 1999 23:27:39 -0700

At 09:35 PM 01/03/99 +0000, Jackie wrote:
>The father brings the police to search the school and accuses the tp's
>of kidnapping his children. There is a struggle, the boy jaunts to
>protect the sister, the father falls down the stairs and possibly dies.
>The scene is frozen and the tp's discuss possible solutions.

Well, first of all, is he or isn't he already dead?  I presume they would check
right away, and if he's not quite dead they'd feel obligated to heal him,
although they might not like doing it.  If dead under these circumstances, I
think most of the TP would vote for Ang...whatever to reanimate - given that
the police are already there, the problems of explaining the corpse and/or the
disappearance could be worse than the problems the man would cause, unless of
course the police saw it happen and could testify that it was an accident.

... snip lots
>I was wondering whether this is more suitable to the fict list but it's
>not story ideas I want rather character analyses. Can anyone help?

I don't know if you classify this as "help" but it's late and I just spent 3
hours doing the taxes for the Out-of-School Care my kids attend - it's the best
I can do :)

Jane


Jane Starr            [e-mail]
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
check out the ON SPEC web page at www.icomm.ca/onspec/



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From: Jackie Newman <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: ESP
Date: 02 Mar 1999 07:11:04 +0000

For all those our there showing wedge shaped brain patterns, who believe
they are about to break out this is your last chance to have a go at the
ESP experiment on my web page.

www.effdee.demon.co.uk


For any tp's amongst us who already entered I'll be checking the results
soon. Please mail me if you want to know how you performed.

BTW I have a part of an episode missing from my collection. Can anyone
tell me how Stephen made contact with Professor Cawston at the beginning
of A Rift in Time? And what university he was working at?


That's all for now folks!
Jackie
--
May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled.
                (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting)



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: TPDIS: More Ethical comments
Date: 02 Mar 1999 17:17:16 EST

I think Jade would be all for a harsh punishment for the father. Megabyte
would probably agree, but I see Adam and Ami as being a bit less gun-ho. If
you're having Kevin in this (no comas! ;) he would probably be in the middle.
   -Geoff


In a message dated 99-03-01 16:37:05 EST, you write:

> Kristy mailed me a few of her comments and I thought I should fill you
>  all in on my ideas.
>
>  I have planned the story outline already but cannot decide upon a
>  suitable ending. It goes like this...
>
>  The story is set in a boarding school run by Liz and John with help from
>  Adam and Ami, ( Does anyone else see Ami as a teacher?). The year is
>  2010 and they are all adult with relationships and children of their
>  own.
>
>  A man in a prominent position in society has abused his children and
>  probably murdered his wife. His kids (brother and sister) are tp's but
>  don't know it yet. One of them ends up in a coma in hospital and the
>  tp's save her. The brother is suspicious of the tp's and goes to the
>  school to investigate.
>
>  The father brings the police to search the school and accuses the tp's
>  of kidnapping his children. There is a struggle, the boy jaunts to
>  protect the sister, the father falls down the stairs and possibly dies.
>  The scene is frozen and the tp's discuss possible solutions.
>
>  I know the old series characters well and have added a few characters of
>  my own (i.e. Angeriana, who can reanimate pple) but I need input on how
>  the new series tp's would comment in a major debate.
>
>  It would be fun to include your ideas on how each character would
>  react/vote in this situation.
>
>  I was wondering whether this is more suitable to the fict list but it's
>  not story ideas I want rather character analyses. Can anyone help?
>
>  BTW here are the comments Kristy sent to me, she was responding to
>  Beth's recent post.
>
>  Kristy Fahrenwald wrote:
>
>  >  1. As Beth said, we don't know how often Tyso was treated this way or
>  > how far things actually went.  Your(Jackie's) story has more definatly
>  > crossed the line between a harsh parenting style and abuse.
>  >
>  >  2. When the TP came in contact with Tyso they were still themselves
>  > very young.  They may have felt inadequete at the time to judge
>  > parenting skills/styles.  In your (Jackie's) story the TP are much older
>  > and have children of their own.  They may be more likely to interfere
>  > even in a situation like his at this point in their lives.
>  >
>  > Kristy
>  >
>  >
>
>  I'll leave it there for now and see whether I get any useful responses.
>
>  Jackie



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From: "Zori Skye" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: [Fanfic]  Announcements, Notes, and Part 1/?
Date: 02 Mar 1999 19:30:01 -0500

    Well first of all I'd like to say hi!  I'm a newbie, but I'm not new to
the fanfic thing.  I've been writing fanfics which content deals with a
number of different shows.
    I also own and moderate VBETA, the Voltron Beta Fanfiction Mailing list,
so I'm not new to the mailing list thing either, but I am one who proudly
grasps her newbie statis and says:   I want you to laugh as you read my
introduction and think I'm a blonde!  Well I want you to think that cause I
am.
    TP fanfiction is something I have toyed with in the past but haven't
ever published to the web community before.
    This is part of my first serial.  (I remember reading somewhere I had to
clearly state that this piece would be a serial)
    There are three vignettes which make up the first part of Revolutions
which I've called Break Out.
    So without further nonsense and babbleing my authors notes and Break Out
I.

Author: Zorina Skye
E-mail: [e-mail]
WWW: To be anounced
Series Title: Revolutions
Selection:  The Break Out I
Content:

    The Tomorrow People-  Picks up where the new series leaves off.

    Highlander:  The Series-  I haven't had the oppertunity to see the
entire series.  The oppertunity has never presented itself before.  I have
not seen Season Five, but I have heard Riche died, how I have no clue, I
just know he did.  So, I'm going to pick it up there, just following his
death and Mac will be dealing with his death.

Rating: PG-13 general warnings such as violence and possible foul language
every now and then
Authors notes:

    Valyia Chorinth and any unfamiliar characters belong to me and should
not be used withot my expressed permission.
    This piece uses part of one my favorite songs.  See notation following
the selection.
    Everyone denotes telepathic thoughts in their own way, sadly I will
follow the ways of IVRPG, and use ~ ~ for them, besides I think they're
cute.

Comments, suggestions and criticisms are welcome, but please if all you want
to do is flame me, make sure that it's constructive!

Revolutions
The Break Out I

     Valyia jumped as she heard car doors slam behind her.  She had been
walking
home from a medical emergency that she had gotten paged out for.  She loved
her
volunteer work on campas.  The fact she was an EMT student and liked to help
people
gave her a sense of hope that someday she could make a difference in someone
Æs life.
     It was late and for the squad it was a good Duty Crew call.  Good for
her and the
crew on call, but not so good for the patient.  It was the kind of call that
made her feel the
adrenaline rush of actually being able to help someone when they needed it.
     She heard another car door slam and the sound of healed and booted feet
scuffling
toward her at a pace slightly faster than her own, coming toward her.


*The book of Revelations,
Chapter 7 verses 16 and 17
æThey shall hunger no more, neither shall they thirst anymore,
for God shall wipe away, every tear from there eye,Æ
Get ready for a revolution..*


     Valyia walked a little faster, she could see her dormitory hall looming
in the
distance, itÆs form outlined by a bright full moon.
     She took a deep breath and let it out steadily, she could see her
breath in the air.
     They moved faster toward her and her heart jumped in her throat.  She
pulled her
radio out of her back pocket and pressed the PTT (Push to talk) button.  She
was
frustrated when it beeped at her, she had it on the wrong channel.
     She turned the dial on the left clockwise and then pushed her thumb
into the PTT
button again as she picked up speed, her walk more rushed.  ôCRS-3, CRS-B.ö
Her voice
came out fearfully.
     ôThree on.ö
     She took off running.  ôWhatÆs your current location?ö
     ôIÆm on Porter Drive, heading toward my dorm, do you require
assistance.ö  Her voice came out in little more than a squeak.  ôYes!ö
     ôWhatÆs your current location!ö  Came her crew chief who sounded
worried.
     ôMorey Drive, heading south.. I need help.. IÆm being followed...ö
     ô357 CRS-3, I need an officer on Morey Dr.!  Val, IÆm coming!ö
     She screamed, her voice carrying across campas and echoing off the
academic
buildings and reaching her ears again.
     She passed a blue light and slammed the button on itÆs pole as she
passed.
     ThatÆs when it happened.  ôDamn it sheÆs gonna get away, release the
dogs!ö
 Valyia Chorinth ran as fast as her legs could carry her.


*Sick and tired of my brothas
Killin each other
Sick and of daddies leaving
Babies with their mothers
To every man that wants to lay around and play around
Listen patnah you should be man enough to stay around*


     Valyia had been running for felt hours and was in actuality only ten
minutes.
What would happen if they managed to catch her was her biggest fear.  She
didnÆt know
why they were after her.  She hadnÆt done anything wrong!
     They were so close.  The dogs, she could hear them again.  She had to
come up
with something fast.  SheÆd managed to get MarkÆs attention on her radio but
he was on
the other side of campas.  She tried updating their dispatcher who had
dispatched officers
for her but she hadnÆt managed to come across any of them.
     She could hear the dogs barking in the distance.  ô357, CRS-B I need
some
assistance!  Please!ö
     There was no answer.


*Sick and tired of the church talkin religion
but they talk about each other makin decisions
No mo racism
Two facism
No Pollution
The solution
A revolution*


     Before her Winston Hall stood.  They were closer than she would have
liked but
there was nothing she could do about that.  She pulled out her duty crew
keys, thankful
sheÆd taken the time to learn which key went to which building she let her
self in and
sighed as the door locked shut behind her.
     She made her way up to the second floor and peered out a window, she
could see
them, they were everywhere.  The dogs were leading them right to Winston
Hall and she
gasped in fear.
     She still couldnÆt understand what they would want with her.  She ran
all the way
down to the basement of the building and used the tunnels which connected
all of the
buildings together to make her way across campas.  SheÆd long since
abandoned her
radio because she realized they could use it to track her.
     On the other side of campas was a clearing which lead to the towns main
road and
on the other side, wilderness of the north country.   Thank God training had
tought htem how to get around quicky.
     If she could get there, and in the water the dogs couldnÆt follow her.


*Do you want a revolution?
do you want a revolution?
No Crime
No dying
Politicians lying
EverbodyÆs trying
to make a dollar
It makes me wanna holla*


     SheÆd dropped her keys, her, she kept her identification, she tied her
jacket
around her waist.  She came out on the other side of campas, this trick of
hers provided
her with time, but not a lot.
     She stopped running only long enough to take two calming breaths before
she
continued onward.
     ~Help me, God, please if you can hear me..~  She said in her mind.  ~I
donÆt
know why theyÆre after me I just want to go home.


*The way they do my life
The way they do my life
Theres gonna be a brighter day
All my troubles gonna pass away
A revolutions comin
Yes its comin
comin comin
Revolutions comin
Yes its comin
Revolutions comin comin*


     ~Adam!  Did you hear that!~  She heard a voice, a young girl.
     ~Yes, Jade, I did!~  Replied a voice, accented thickly.
     She had made her way across the field and was running momentarily down
the
main road.  She could hear the dogs again, their barks faint and in the
distance, but once
again she could hear them.
     ~Oh god, help me!  TheyÆre getting closer!~
     ~WhoÆs getting closer?~  Asked the voice, she assumed this voice
belonged to
Adam.
     ~I donÆt know.  I was on call, we actually had a call on my duty crew
night and
after we finished filling out the PCR (Pre-Hospital Care Report) in the
office and I was
walking back to my dorm and these people started following me, they have
dogs on me!~
In her mind she was practically yelling in fright.
     Her arms and legs burned.  Her muscles were probably backed up with
acid from
lack of adequate oxygenation.  She found what she was looking for in the
night.  She
jumped over the guard rail and down into a stream and began running through
the forest.


*Do you want a revolution?
Do you want a revolution .....*


     Thankfully her boots were water proof.  She managed to stay relatively
dry
despite the wetness of the terrain she was on.  The voices had stopped
suddenly.  She
wished they would come back, it was easier when there was someone there in
her mind
helping her through this.
     What was she thinking?  voices in her mind, was she going crazy?
     ~Oh God, I donÆt know how much longer I can keep this up!~
     The barking had suddenly increased.  They caught her trail again, she
didnÆt know
how but they did!
     ~Who are you?~  Asked the young girl, the man had called her Jade.
     ~Valyia ...~  She looked behind her, she could see flashlights in the
distance.  ~I
donÆt know if you can help me but please if you can.. I can see them
again...~
     She was so tired, her speed had slowed again.  She was hoping for a
second wind
but she knew it wouldnÆt happen.
     Behind her there was a growling.  The sound caused her to jump and she
spun
around as one of their dogs snapped at her.
     She was surrounded by them.  There were dozens of hounds milling around
her,
snapping and barking loudly.
     ôDonÆt move!ö  She heard a voice hiss.
     She paled.  ~Oh God.~  She turned to see a gun and screamed.  As she
screamed
there was a crackle and a hiss in the air, then, with a loud pop, Valyia
Chorinth broke out.
     She simply disappeared in a flash of blue and green light.



The Revolution by Kirk Franklin is copy written 1998 by Lilly Mack
Music/Kerrion Publishing and ccomes from the CD titled  the Nu Nation
Project.





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From: Michael Edmonds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: More Ethical comments
Date: 04 Mar 1999 09:06:52 +1300 (NZDT)

On Mon, 1 Mar 1999, Jackie Newman wrote:

>
> The story is set in a boarding school run by Liz and John with help from
> Adam and Ami, ( Does anyone else see Ami as a teacher?). The year is
> 2010 and they are all adult with relationships and children of their
> own.
>

Yes, I've always thought of Ami as either a teacher or a psychologist
(both similar in many ways :-)  )
Look forward to seeing the fan fic

Michael





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: TPDIS: Beta readers?  Please?
Date: 05 Mar 1999 23:58:04 EST

Yes, I know I'm always asking for them, but I *need* 'em <g>  This ones a
TP(NS)/XF X-over (I'm always writing those, I know).  Anyone who read
"Discoveries" in my uni A Realignment of Life Forces, this is the story where
Mulder and Scully actually meet the TPs.  Anyway, I'm still writing it around
my track schedule, and it promises to be a while before I finish it...

I also have a few short stories that I'm polishing up, if you're interested in
those:
_Crash Course_- TP new series- in uni- Jade and Cassia
_Untitled_- Millennium/TP new series- in uni (no background needed)- Adam,
Frank Black, Jordan Black.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

-Nicole
_____________________________

http://members.aol.com/ngwjaguar/writing/aRoFL/



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From: The Toy Soldier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Beta readers?  Please?
Date: 06 Mar 1999 14:35:38 -0600

Nicole,

I'll be happy to beta read for you. Send it over and we'll see what we
can do with this most intriguing crossover. BTW, I read you story,
"Discoveries", and I really liked it.

Ready. Willing. Waiting.
Megan

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They are panicked
You and your chronic....
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From: "Shaun Hately" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTPW . . .
Date: 10 Mar 1999 08:35:29 +1000

I'm not sure if this strickly qualifies as a YKYBTMTPW but it certainly
amused me.

I was watching a recent episode of 'The Bill' (British Police series) and
one of the characters in this episode was the maitre'd of a rather posh
restaurant. He was the spitting image of John - he looked like him, and he
acted like him - so much so that if the character had been older I would
have been certain it was Nick Young playing him.

At the end I checked the credits just to see who this person was - it
turned out to be Robert Lang - who played Tate in 'The Rameses Connection'.

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From: Mandi Ohlin <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: Explaining breakouts...
Date: 09 Mar 1999 21:17:21 -0500

This popped into my head when I actually had free time today (thank you,
snow closings!) and was fooling around with yet another crossover that
I'm still not sure I should write due to the weirdness factor. (i.e. I
think I'm one of the six people on this planet who watches the other
show and the only person ever to write fic based on it.)

Anyway, getting to the point, it spawned something I wanted to throw out
(to maybe get some new series discussion going on).

Usually in fanfic, whenever a new TP breaks out, there's always the
question of how to explain it to the parents. And usually Adam is
primarily recruited to help with that. But when I was tossing around the
question of explaining to parents, it occurred to me that Megabyte might
be good to have as well--not because he's all that skilled at
diplomatically explaining something like this, but because he would make
it seem more real.

I mean, if you're a parent seeing someone as patient as Adam explaining
that your kid is a Tomorrow Person, and he's the only example you have,
it might be hard to swallow. But if you take Megabyte, as smart-mouthed
and occasionally obnoxious as he is, and realize that he's a TP, the
reaction is: well, if this kid is the next stage of human evolution,
maybe it's not so far-fetched for something like that to happen to your
own child.

I'm not bashing Megabyte here at all--it just occurred to me that as far
as first impressions go, compared to Adam he seems a lot more real and
down-to-earth. Whatever, just a thought to throw out, hope it made
sense. :)

--
Amanda Ohlin (aka Mandi)
fanfic fanatic and nitpicker extraordinaire
nemesis of the Hood College foodservice staff

Xander: It's not what you think!
Willow: You like to look at the semi-nude engravings?
Xander: Oh, well, I guess it *is* what you think.
    --BtVS, "The Witch"

http://weirdweb.simplenet.com/



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From: "Beth Epstein" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: ykybwwtmtpw....
Date: 09 Mar 1999 20:53:40 -0600

...you start saying "I should've gone to the Trig" everytime grad school (or
college) starts really annoying you.
Tigger




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From: Ruby Red <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Explaining breakouts...
Date: 12 Mar 1999 07:10:49 +1100

On Tue, Mar 09, 1999 at 09:17:21PM -0500, Mandi Ohlin wrote:
> I'm not bashing Megabyte here at all--it just occurred to me that as far
> as first impressions go, compared to Adam he seems a lot more real and
> down-to-earth. Whatever, just a thought to throw out, hope it made
> sense. :)

The other thing to consider is that Megabyte might actually make a
reasonable fist of explaining it, because of his interest in wierd
phenomena from *before* he broke out.  Or maybe not.

--
Ruby Red    <[e-mail]>
        http://home.connexus.net.au/~kat

"Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas any more."



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From: "Trina L. Short" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: Sammi Winmill in audio story...
Date: 19 Mar 1999 16:27:00 -0500

I remembered to tell this to the SMCSB list, but forgot that
other TP fans would probably be interested in the info:

Sammi Winmill (Carol from the original series) will be in an
audio adventure by Bill Baggs (BBV).  The CD is called _Only
Human_  and comes out on April 8th (alas, one week after I leave
London).

You can find info at this URL (and see recent pictures of Sammi):
http://www.bbv1.demon.co.uk/fea_aud_human_pics.html
or go to the main site:
http://www.bbv1.demon.co.uk/

If you're in Britain, it's easy to buy direct from BBV.  If you
are in the US, a good, inexpensive way to get the CDs is to buy
from WhoNA (http://www.whona.com).  The CDs are cheaper there
than from the "Official" US site.

I personally am going to email BBV and thank them for including a
TP in one of the stories. Now if they could just get Elizabeth
Adare acting against Sylvester McCoy (a dream come true for me!)
-- =

trinalin

=A91999 ACME Page Fillers, Inc.
http://www.pagefillers.com



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: TPDIS: YKYBWTMTPW....
Date: 19 Mar 1999 18:00:32 EST


    Then new student at school is walking down the hall, and it being early, you
think that he looks a lot like Adam Newman. You dismiss the thought because
it's a bit early in the morning, but when you find out that he is in one of
your classes, and he introduces his self to the class, you find out that he is
from Australia, and his name just happens to be Adam....

    Strange is it not?
        Kristin

    "When it comes to Megabyte,
    the answer is always no."
        Dot   "Reboot"




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From: "BUMBARGER,MICHELLE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: Help with a fic?
Date: 22 Mar 1999 10:34:11 -0700

I need help for a TP fic that I'm writing. I've been trying to discover a
few things:

1. When did the Egyptians first begin building the pyramids?
2. How did the Egyptians handle death before the building of the pyramids?
3. What kingdom/dynasty did Rameses and Tutankhamen come out of?

Anyone who can help receives virtual (candies of choice) for a week!
***

Michele

***

"Demons asking for money? Whatever happened to the still beating heart of a
virgin? No one has any standards these days."
         --- Rupert Giles, Buffy, the Vampire Slayer




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From: "Shaun Hately" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Help with a fic?
Date: 23 Mar 1999 06:52:24 +1000

> From: BUMBARGER,MICHELLE <[e-mail]>
>
>
> I need help for a TP fic that I'm writing. I've been trying to discover a
> few things:
>
> 1. When did the Egyptians first begin building the pyramids?

Around 2700BC and they stopped by around 1000BC. After that, kings were
generally buried in underground tombs carved out of the rocks (easier to
hide and slightly less prone to theft - also a lot cheaper).

> 2. How did the Egyptians handle death before the building of the >
pyramids?

Generally in the same way - the people were buried in tombs, often
mummified and with their belongings to be ready for the next life. The more
important you are, the bigger the tomb. The first pyramid was actually
originally just a rectangular tomb, but they built another rectangle on top
of it, and then another, producing a step pyramid. From then on, they
caught on.

> 3. What kingdom/dynasty did Rameses and Tutankhamen come out of?

This is slightly complex. Tutankhamen was an minor 18th Dynasty Pharoah who
lived from 1343-1325BC (BTW, by this stage, most Pharoahs were buried, like
Tutankhamen in underground tombs, not pyramids).


Rameses is the troublesome one. There were eleven Pharoahs named Rameses.

Rameses I founded the 19th Dynasty reigned for two years around 1320BC,
Rameses II (19th Dynasty) 1304-1237BC, Rameses III (20th Dynasty)
1198-1166BC). The other 8 Rameses were very minor Pharoahs. Only Rameses II
was of any real significance in Egyptian history.

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>
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From: "Horrocks, Elizabeth" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: YNYBWTMTPW
Date: 23 Mar 1999 15:42:05 -0500

...you and your best friend decide, on a whim, to go to England at the end
of May.  Are you excited about Stonehenge?  Big Ben?  No.  Much to the
dismay or your friend (a non TP fan) your main site seeing goals include
Cleopatra's Needle and Kew Gardens...

__________________________________________________
How do you document real life, when real life's getting
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From: Jackie Newman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: YNYBWTMTPW
Date: 23 Mar 1999 21:19:24 +0000

"Horrocks, Elizabeth" wrote:
>
> ...you and your best friend decide, on a whim, to go to England at the end
> of May.  Are you excited about Stonehenge?  Big Ben?  No.  Much to the
> dismay or your friend (a non TP fan) your main site seeing goals include
> Cleopatra's Needle and Kew Gardens...

I work close to Kew Gardens and would love to show any TP fan around
London... So here is an open invite to any list member visiting these
shores... just let me know when and where you arrive and I'll jaunt over
to greet you on the teleporter pad :)

Jackie
>
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May your senses be enlightened and your dreams be fulfilled.
                (Traditional Manyarnern Greeting)



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From: Ruby Red <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Help with a fic?
Date: 24 Mar 1999 08:39:45 +1100

On Tue, Mar 23, 1999 at 06:52:24AM +1000, Shaun Hately wrote:
> > 3. What kingdom/dynasty did Rameses and Tutankhamen come out of?
>
> This is slightly complex. Tutankhamen was an minor 18th Dynasty Pharoah who
> lived from 1343-1325BC (BTW, by this stage, most Pharoahs were buried, like
> Tutankhamen in underground tombs, not pyramids).
>
> Rameses is the troublesome one. There were eleven Pharoahs named Rameses.
>
> Rameses I founded the 19th Dynasty reigned for two years around 1320BC,
> Rameses II (19th Dynasty) 1304-1237BC, Rameses III (20th Dynasty)
> 1198-1166BC). The other 8 Rameses were very minor Pharoahs. Only Rameses II
> was of any real significance in Egyptian history.

Oh my.  That means that Tutankhamen was dead before Rameses I became
important.  However, since that was only five years later, we have to
be talking about Rameses I, not II or III, since Tutankhamen wouldn't
have any hope of knowing about *them*.  The next question is, how old
was Rameses I when he started reigning?  If he was old enough, then T
could well have known of him when he was still alive.  R could have been
doing his cult stuff before he became Pharoah.  If he founded a dynasty,
then he'd have to be ruthless (which fits our man), and if he faked his
own death, then it wouldn't really matter if he only reigned two years.
Maybe living forever was more important to him than being Pharoah.

On the other hand, is it necessary for Rameses Akhara to have been a
Pharoah at all?  I suppose it would be, if only for him to have been
famous enough for a historian to know anything about him.

Thanks for the info, I needed it too, if I'm ever to write that
TP/Stargate/HL crossover I have been occassionaly pondering over.
Can anyone remember when the Stargate was supposed to have been buried?
I am interested in the relative dates of: the burial of the Stargate,
the time of Tutankhamen, and the time the Horsemen were rampaging.
It looks like, from what I recall, the Stargate was buried really early,
possibly before Methos was born, then came the Horsemen, then Tutankhamen.
Does anyone know differently?

Kathryn A.
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From: "Darryl Gillikin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: Question for fic...
Date: 25 Mar 1999 19:31:12 PST

Hey gang,

There's a little bit of info I need for a fic.  I know it's in Culex,
but I'm too lazy to go through the tape.  :)

What was the street that the World Ex offices were located on?

Thanks in advance,
Darryl
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From: Michele Bumbarger <[e-mail]> (by way of Wendy Kelley <[e-mail]>)
Subject: TPDIS: Re: Egypt information
Date: 26 Mar 1999 15:18:11 -0600

This is being forwarded at Michele's request:


Thanks to everyone who answered my Egypt question. <smiles and waves> The
information really helped me out. Who knows, I may actually get this story
written and finished before the world blows up due to Y2K.

And on that positive note . . .

I was at work the other day and browsing through Books in Print and I found
a listing that I'm curious to know if anybody has any information about. Is
this a TP book, or just a similiar title? It's listed under
"Television--Entertainment" as subheadings.

Here's the info:

Title: The Tomorrow People Archives
Author: T C Kirkham
Publish Info: 1988, Jaunting Press Limited
ISBN: 0317912887

I work at Borders, btw, and apparently Borders.com has this book in thier
inventory so I wanted to know what it is before I set off to order it.

Thanks a million,
Michele B




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From: Beth Epstein <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Egypt information
Date: 26 Mar 1999 23:48:47 -0600

Michele Bumbarger (by way of Wendy Kelley ) wrote:
> Is
> this a TP book, or just a similiar title? It's listed under
> "Television--Entertainment" as subheadings.
>
> Here's the info:
>
> Title: The Tomorrow People Archives
> Author: T C Kirkham
> Publish Info: 1988, Jaunting Press Limited
> ISBN: 0317912887
T.C. Kirkham was the president of TPI, a TP fan club.  I'll be shocked and
amazed if it's in print, though. :)
It's a TP book, though I have no idea what it's about.  (Jez, Jeff, John?
(Oy, all J's!) You guys were in the club longer than I was.)
Tigger



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Egypt information
Date: 27 Mar 1999 00:48:52 EST

In a message dated 99-03-27 00:42:19 EST, you write:

<< Subj:     Re: TPDIS: Re: Egypt information
 Date:    99-03-27 00:42:19 EST
 From:    [e-mail] (Beth Epstein)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 Reply-to:    [e-mail]
 To:    [e-mail]

 >>Michele Bumbarger (by way of Wendy Kelley ) wrote:
 >> Is
 >> this a TP book, or just a similiar title? It's listed under
 >> "Television--Entertainment" as subheadings.
 >>
 >> Here's the info:
 >>
 >> Title: The Tomorrow People Archives
 >> Author: T C Kirkham
 >> Publish Info: 1988, Jaunting Press Limited
 >> ISBN: 0317912887
 >T.C. Kirkham was the president of TPI, a TP fan club.  I'll be shocked and
 >amazed if it's in print, though. :)

   LOL Naughty,naughty!!! :)


 >It's a TP book, though I have no idea what it's about.  (Jez, Jeff, John?
 >(Oy, all J's!) You guys were in the club longer than I was.)

       Well, how he aquired the ISBN is a bit beyond me,but since he always
considered that he ''owned'' the TP, I'm sure that he wrote a very fancy
sounding letter on ''official'' TPI stationary.:)
     Anyway, I never really saw the book,as it was always ''on backorder'' :)
But from what I was told,and from the horrible quality of his early stuff, I
doubt that it would be worth getting. Alsd, from what I can recall from the
flyer on it,which I still have, it was mainly just his ramblings about what
Price did wrong,and what he, (Troy Charles) was planning on doing with ''his''
TP.  If you've read his rants,then you know what kind of book this was
supposed to be.:)



    Jeff







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From: Jeremy Rogers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Egypt information
Date: 27 Mar 1999 07:36:42 +0100

 [e-mail] :

>        Well, how he aquired the ISBN is a bit beyond me,but since he always
> considered that he ''owned'' the TP, I'm sure that he wrote a very fancy
> sounding letter on ''official'' TPI stationary.:)

Anyone can get an ISBN - it is not difficult.

Jez
--




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From:    jane starr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Egypt information
Date: 27 Mar 1999 07:34:39 -0700

At 11:48 PM 26/03/99 -0600, Tigger wrote:
>Michele Bumbarger (by way of Wendy Kelley ) wrote:
>> Is
>> this a TP book, or just a similiar title? It's listed under
>> "Television--Entertainment" as subheadings.
>>
>> Here's the info:
>>
>> Title: The Tomorrow People Archives
>> Author: T C Kirkham
>> Publish Info: 1988, Jaunting Press Limited
>> ISBN: 0317912887
>T.C. Kirkham was the president of TPI, a TP fan club.  I'll be shocked and
>amazed if it's in print, though. :)
>It's a TP book, though I have no idea what it's about.  (Jez, Jeff, John?
>(Oy, all J's!) You guys were in the club longer than I was.)

ANother J here :) although I was never in the TPI.

I found that in BIP years ago and tried to order it from Kirkham (didn't try to
go through a middleman like a bookstore).  He replied that it was being revised
and he'd let me know when the new edition was ready.  I have heard nothing
since.  I just tried a search on Amazon.com, and got nothing by that title or
author, although that doesn't mean it isn't available - Amazon isn't as
infallible as they think they are :)

If I were Michelle and worked at a bookstore that does orders, I'd try special
ordering it anyway, and see what happens.  You never know...

Jane



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Egypt information
Date: 27 Mar 1999 11:53:13 EST

In a message dated 99-03-27 03:25:29 EST, you write:

<< Subj:     Re: TPDIS: Re: Egypt information
 Date:    99-03-27 03:25:29 EST
 From:    [e-mail] (Jeremy Rogers)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 Reply-to:    [e-mail]
 To:    [e-mail]

  [e-mail] :

 >>        Well, how he aquired the ISBN is a bit beyond me,but since he
always
 >> considered that he ''owned'' the TP, I'm sure that he wrote a very fancy
 >> sounding letter on ''official'' TPI stationary.:)

 >Anyone can get an ISBN - it is not difficult.

 >Jez
> --

     I know. I was being sarcastic,and trying to show how self-important he
was. He considered TPI to be his business,and had every intention of  having
it be his sole source of income. Considering how sloppily he ran it, its no
wonder that he could never pay his bills. :)


 Jeff





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   Mother rocks you, humming lowly;  Close your eyes, now go to sleep.
   Angels hover ever nearer, Looking on your smiling face.
   I will hold you, close enfold you; Close your eyes, now go to sleep.
   Lovely darling, I will guard you, keep you from all woe and harm.
   Softly, gently I will rock you, resting sweetly on my arm.
   May you slumber e'er so softly; Dream of visions wondrous fair.
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From: Jeremy Rogers <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Egypt information
Date: 27 Mar 1999 18:07:49 +0100

[e-mail] wrote:

>      I know. I was being sarcastic,and trying to show how self-important he
> was. He considered TPI to be his business,and had every intention of  having
> it be his sole source of income. Considering how sloppily he ran it, its no
> wonder that he could never pay his bills. :)

Looking at borders.com the book has the status of needing to be
ordered from the publisher. That could take a long time. Still, maybe Mr Dyke,
Mr Witcher and Mr Kinbrum would like a copy.

Jez
--





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From: SapphireSky <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Question for fic...
Date: 27 Mar 1999 14:35:52 +0000

> There's a little bit of info I need for a fic.  I know it's in Culex,
> but I'm too lazy to go through the tape.  :)
>
> What was the street that the World Ex offices were located on?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Darryl

Griffin Road Southwest 1, I believe.

Rachel with an E :)



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: TPDIS: Re: Egypt information
Date: 27 Mar 1999 18:36:17 EST

In a message dated 99-03-27 13:10:48 EST, you write:

<< Subj:     Re: TPDIS: Re: Egypt information
 Date:    99-03-27 13:10:48 EST
 From:    [e-mail] (Jeremy Rogers)
 Sender:    [e-mail]
 Reply-to:    [e-mail]
 To:    [e-mail]

 [e-mail] wrote:

 >>      I know. I was being sarcastic,and trying to show how self-important
he
 >> was. He considered TPI to be his business,and had every intention of
having
 >> it be his sole source of income. Considering how sloppily he ran it, its
no
 >> wonder that he could never pay his bills. :)

> Looking at borders.com the book has the status of needing to be
> ordered from the publisher. That could take a long time. Still, maybe Mr
Dyke,
> Mr Witcher and Mr Kinbrum would like a copy.

 Jez
 --

     I wish them all the luck in the world,and would be very pleased/shocked
if they actually get the book,since its been on back order since 1988.


    Jeff



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From: "Aron Bothman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: Future Stories?...
Date: 30 Mar 1999 19:45:23 PST

Salutations...

Just out of curiosity, I was told by Ariana that some privilaged few had
spoken with the writers for TP.  Did they give any mention as to what
stories they had had in store, before the show was cancelled?

Thank you.

Aron


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From: "Shaun Hately" <[e-mail]>
Subject: TPDIS: Theory of Desire
Date: 01 Apr 1999 05:54:14 +1000

Before posting this (another one of my 'theories' on the TP), I'd like to
thank the people on #TomorrowPeople last weekend who helped me to bounce
around a few ideas, and also Ariana who read over this and made suggestions
to improve it.

Please - comments and criticisms of this theory would be really valuable
and appreciated. Tear it to shreds if you like - if there are potential
flaws, I want to know about them!

Theory of Desire

Why does a particular person 'break out' and become a Tomorrow Person? We
know that there is a genetic aspect to becoming a Tomorrow Person. This is
revealed by their classification as a separate species - either Homo
superior (named as such by the alien Sophists as revealed in the novel The
Visitor) or Homo novis (the term given to them by Rabowski in The Medusa
Strain). John also specifically mentions the genetic aspect of becoming a
Tomorrow Person in Hitler's Last Secret.

We also know that there are many thousands, if not millions, of potential
Tomorrow People on Earth by 1973 - this is revealed in The Visitor. But all
through the 1970s, only 12 of these potential Tomorrow People are known to
have broken out (including Pavla Vlasovla, and the unknown 'Girl Soldier'
lost during study by the Experimental Weapons Establishment). If we include
the break outs of the 1990s, we still only have seven more Tomorrow People
known to have broken out (including the boy killed during a capture attempt
by Professor Galt in 1992).

That is a total of only 19 known break outs from 1973-1995, when we have
every reason to believe that there are at least fifty thousand potential
Tomorrow People in the region around Britain and millions worldwide (these
figures are taken from The Visitor).

We also know that by the 25th Century, the Tomorrow People have taken over
the Earth and comprise the vast majority of humanity, which suggests that
the rate of break out must increase rapidly in the relatively near future.

Based on this evidence, it is clear that mere genetics does not create a
Tomorrow Person. Something more is needed for break out to occur.

I have already outlined Proximity Theory as a possible explanation of why
some people may break out (it can be found at
http://www.alphalink.com.au/~drednort/theory3.html). In brief that theory
states that: A dormant Tomorrow Person (a person with the genetic makeup
necessary to break out but who has not yet developed their Tomorrow People
faculties) is more likely to break out if they spend time in proximity with
other Tomorrow People. I feel that theory is valid but incomplete.

If mere proximity was the sole trigger for break out, given the number of
potential Tomorrow People on Earth, I believe we should expect to see more
break outs. Stephen and Elizabeth, in particular, must spend significant
amounts of their time in contact with adolescents - the most likely group
to break out. At least some of the Tomorrow People are known to have
siblings - and siblings tend to share a significant amount of genetic
similarities. There is no certainty that a sibling of a Tomorrow Person
would have the necessary genetic makeup to be a Tomorrow Person - but given
the fact that such genetic makeup seems to be widespread, it seems
reasonable that at least one sibling would have been seen to break out.

In order to try and explain these problems, I wish to present another
theory - that of the Theory of Desire. This theory does not replace the
Theory of Proximity - but instead works in parallel with it. It also does
not discard the genetic basis of the Tomorrow People.

To clarify the assumptions inherent in this Theory of Desire are:

1) That a genetic basis for being a Tomorrow Person exists, but the mere
existence of the necessary genetic makeup does not lead automatically to
break out.
2) That, given the presence of the necessary genetic makeup, break out is
more likely to occur if a person has had recent proximity with another
potential or actual Tomorrow Person.
3) That the first two assumptions together do not fully explain the break
out phenomena - in particular, if they are true, more break outs would be
expected. Therefore, at least one other factor seems to exist. A possible
explanation for this missing factor will be outlined as the Theory of
Desire.

In simple terms, the Theory of Desire can be expressed as follows: Given
the necessary genetic predisposition to break out, break out becomes more
likely if the potential Tomorrow Person has the desire for something more.
There is an element of conscious or unconscious choice in break out.

In most cases, this choice is unconscious - it must be so, as very few
Tomorrow People are aware of the existence of the species until break out.
So, if it is unconscious what form does this choice take and why does it
occur?

In all probability, it can take several forms - but given what we know
about the family situations and lives of the Tomorrow People previous to
break out, I think we can outline at least two possible reasons for this
desire occurring.

The first one is a desire for something different - the desire for
something more and special in their life. There is evidence that some of
the Tomorrow People either definitely, or possibly had troubled childhoods
prior to break out. I will outline this evidence below. I stress that these
are often only conjectural problems - there is no reason to suppose that
all these events caused major distress or trauma - I merely suggest that
they may have done.

John - it appears that he lost his mother some time prior to the Slaves of
Jedikiah.

Kenny - we know his father had died when he was very small.

Tyso - has been subjected to physical abuse, and is also apparently unloved
by his father.

Mike - comes from a poor background and his mother has served time in
prison.

Pavla - kidnapped from her family when she first showed her telepathic
talents, and trained as a spy by the KGB.

Hsui Tai - separated from her family and raised as a goddess by a religious
group that kept her isolated from any form of normal life.

Andrew - it is apparent his family has suffered financial problems, and his
father seems religious to the point of possible obsession.

Adam - we know little of his life prior to break out, but some hidden
trauma does seem apparent.

Lisa - pressured by a mother whose dreams are not her own.

Megabyte - his father is often absent, and seems to be in the habit of
breaking promises to him.

Ami - her father was apparently a liar and is either dead or merely absent
from her life.

It is possible that traumas may have also occurred in the lives of other
Tomorrow People, but we either have no real data in their cases, or what we
do know suggests it is unlikely. Regardless, we can make a case that over
half the Tomorrow People may have experienced significantly unhappy events
in their own childhoods. This fact alone would not lead to break out - many
children have unhappy childhoods and do not break out. It would need to be
linked with other factors - primarily the existence of the correct genetic
factors.

It is, perhaps, significant that by the later part of the 1970s, the
Tomorrow People seem to be living together rather than with their families.
This is unsurprising in the case of John and Elizabeth - they are, after
all, adults - and in Hsui Tai's case, she has nowhere else to be. But for
Mike and Andrew, it does suggest that the Tomorrow People have largely
supplanted their normal families - although Andrew certainly maintains
close contact with his father. This apparent withdrawal from their families
may be further evidence of unhappiness in their home lives.

I would suggest that, given the possible trauma in the childhoods of many
Tomorrow People, that it is possible that they had the desire for a
different kind of life - a life where they could be close to others,
perhaps closer than was possible within their own families. This desire - a
desire to be closer to other people - could have been the unconscious
impetus that made them more likely to break out.

But this desire is not the only possible one - if we accept that there is
an element of choice in break out, then the desire to be a Tomorrow Person
may also be an impetus to break out. We have three cases where Tomorrow
People knew about the existence of the species prior to break out. These
cases are Tricia, Megabyte, and Jade.

In Tricia's case, she had already failed to break out as an adolescent. It
is clear that she has a rather narrow view of the Tomorrow People - she
sees them as potentially dangerous and a threat. Perhaps these beliefs
helped to impede her break out - if desire can help cause break out, a lack
of desire could surely impede it. When she came to understand what the
Tomorrow People were really like, when she came to want to be one, she
finally broke out - just in time to save her species.

Megabyte appears to have had an interest in the paranormal prior to his
knowledge of the Tomorrow People. When he became aware of their existence,
and their powers, he very clearly desired to be one of them - perhaps this
desire helped him to break out.

The same is true of Jade - somehow she found out about the Tomorrow People
and she very clearly expresses her desire to be one of them. Eventually, it
happens.

The advantage of the Theory of Desire is not only does it give us a
possible explanation as to why only some people break out - those with a
special desire to do so - it also allows a possible explanation as to how
the explosion of break outs needed for Homo superior to dominate the genus
by the 25th Century may occur. At some point, the existence of the Tomorrow
People must become common knowledge - when it does so, it seems likely that
the amount of people who actively desire break out will increase and hence
the number of actual break outs will increase. Eventually a critical mass
will occur, in which desirability and proximity combine to ensure break out
is commonplace.

There are many other potential desires that may also apply. A person may
wish to be special, or wish to be an individual - one of an elite, rather
than a face in the crowd. There may also be a desire to make a difference -
to be someone who can change things.

It must be stressed, however, that even if the Theory of Desire is
accepted, it only forms part of the picture - it is a contributor to break
out along with other factors. And it may not apply in all cases - it may
merely increase the chance of break out. Break out may still occur in the
absence of any special desire - it will just be rarer and less likely.

Yours Without Wax,            |'Don't knock mutant freaks. That's how
                  Dreadnought |evolution works. Something new appears
    /                         |that might turn out to be just what the
o=== ======================-  |species needs.'
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