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From: THMI <total@xmission.com> Subject: (thmi-fms) Happy New Year Date: 02 Jan 2003 21:15:02 -0700 Dear thmi-fms subscribers, I hope that this finds you doing well. A new year is upon us. I hope that you are filled with hope and optimism for the good things that will unfold to you this year. This is the year that some of you will regain your health. Know that you will get better. Others have, you can too. I'm working on an article about sodium, which I hope to post to the forum today or tommorrow. Other articles, in various stages of completion are on dietary suggestions, my friends reversal of cancer, psychological factors affecting health, growth hormone supplementation, and a few other random topics that have popped into my head. A couple people have invested in FIR heaters after their Drs. had suggested they give it a try. Last week a Dr. (chiropractor) in Redding, CA contacted me and purchased two heaters. Hopefully we well get some feedback from his experimentation. He is not on the list. I'll contact him to see if he would be willing to join the forum to share the results of his findings. Well, I'd better get going on the sodium article if I'm going to get that posted soon. I wish you the very best this New Year. All the best, Jim - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI <total@xmission.com> Subject: (thmi-fms) Sodium, Potassium, Whey, etc. Date: 09 Jan 2003 18:17:34 -0700 Dear thmi-fms subscriber, A welcome to the new subscribers. I hope that you learn something of value in this forum. I hope that this finds you all doing well and that whatever course you are persuing for improved health is showing some positive results. I've finally finished the article on sodium and placed it in the "Soapbox" section of the website. It's the last article listed on the page. The direct link to the article is http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Soapbox/Articles/sodium.html The next article I hope to share (soon) will talk about some specific oods that may be beneficial to include in your diet. I hope that you find this information is helpful. Probably more that you cared to know. If you have any questions, or answers, please feel free to email them to the list or directly to me. All the best, Jim - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI <total@xmission.com> Subject: (thmi-fms) Today's TOTD, Sodium Date: 10 Jan 2003 10:20:19 -0700 Dear thmi-fms subscriber, I received the following Tip-of-the-Day from Immunesupport.com this morning. I think that you might find it interesting. It adds support to the information posted to this list yesterday. For those that may not have read the article on sodium it is in the "Soapbox" section of the website at http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/index.html I'm really not making this stuff up. Well, not all of it. :-) Have a great day. All the best, Jim Tip of the Day for January 10, 2003 People with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) often show low blood pressure readings, especially after standing from a sitting position. A New York state study found that 15 CFS patients had significantly lower (p<0.0001) systolic (heart pumping) and diastolic (heart filling) blood pressure than 15 health-matched controls. Standing heart rates were significantly increased in the CFS patients (p<0.01). When 11 of these patients wore Military Anti Shock Trousers (MAST), which increased blood pressure on their legs and moved blood up to the brain, 10 patients (91%) reported improvement of their CFS symptoms. In addition, red blood cell volume was significantly decreased in plasma and norepinephrine levels were significantly higher in the CFS patients. Low blood pressure, especially in the brain, can cause fatigue and lack of concentration. Another study published in "JAMA"(1985; 274:961-7) noted that many CFS patients with low pressure reported reduction in symptoms when given a diet high in water and sodium. (Source: Tired - So Tired and the 'Yeast Connection' by William G. Crook, M.D.) ------------------------- End. A couple comments: norepinehrine is secreted by the adrenal glands. One effect that this hormone has is vasoconstriction, reducing blood flow, especially in the capillaries. The higher levels of this hormone present in the blood may be to keep blood pressure elevated. It also reduces blood flow to the extremities thereby helping to prevent loss of body heat. Over time, I think many people w/ CFS/FMS experience some adrenal exhaustion as the body runs low on the required nutrients to make the hormones. I think a similar thing may happen in thyroid hormone production as well. - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI <total@xmission.com> Subject: (thmi-fms) Vasoconstriction and CFS/FMS Date: 16 Jan 2003 23:39:52 -0700 Dear thmi-fms subscriber, I hope that this finds you doing and feeling better. I've added an article to the Soapbox section which may help you better understand the pain associated with CFS/FMS, more so FMS. The article is titled, Vasoconstriction, Norepinephrine, and CFS/FMS". The direct link to the article is http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Soapbox/Articles/norepin.html I'll try to finish the web page with some dietary suggestions soon. It's on my list of things to do. Right behind, get a job. This venture is going to take a lot longer than I imagined that it would. The Field of Dreams, "Build it and they will come", has evolved into a Field of Screams. It definitely has made life a little more exciting; Or is it nerve racking?. Anyway, Life is good! All the best, Jim - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sortasweet65@webtv.net Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Vasoconstriction and CFS/FMS Date: 18 Jan 2003 00:11:55 -0500 (EST) Dear Jim, I appreciate all you do to help us with Fibromyalgia. Do you or a loved one have it? I am interested in your treatment program. I wish others would write some and tell how how they are doing with the FIR saunas. I just found out that I won my disability case. I am 37 and I thought it would take longer. I won on the second try. Last year I went 500 miles to D.C. to see Dr. Mary Lee Esty. I had many treatmets but they did not help. The tests said that my brain waves are messed up. My alpha waves are tooo high even though I am on alot of meds. I think going to D.C. helped me show how sick I am. I have burning pain over 100% of my body. The worst is my face and limbs. I know this is apart of fibo because I have read papers by Muhammad Yunus MD. So I am wondering if the FIR saunas would dry me out and make my skin pain worse because it does get worse when I get dry. I do agree that my fibro is caused by sympatetic maintained pain. Years ago I was in a health club and went in a sauna. It was waaay tooo hot for me. I did not even have fibro full blown then. Is it dry heat or moist heat? Will it dry my skin out? Any and all info would be helpful. Keep up the good work, Cindy <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madi" <madcreek@linkline.com> Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Vasoconstriction and CFS/FMS Date: 17 Jan 2003 22:46:45 -0800 Cindy, It is a wet type sauna because you sit on a towel and the heat makes moisture. I'm sure Jim will explain more. I too have trouble with sitting in heated rooms. It makes me sick and nauseous. Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 9:11 PM > > Dear Jim, > > I appreciate all you do to help us with Fibromyalgia. Do you or a loved > one have it? > > I am interested in your treatment program. > I wish others would write some and tell how how they are doing with the > FIR saunas. > > I just found out that I won my disability case. I am 37 and I thought > it would take longer. I won on the second try. > Last year I went 500 miles to D.C. to see Dr. Mary Lee Esty. I had many > treatmets but they did not help. The tests said that my brain waves are > messed up. > My alpha waves are tooo high even though I am on alot of meds. > I think going to D.C. helped me show how sick I am. > I have burning pain over 100% of my body. The worst is my face and > limbs. > I know this is apart of fibo because I have read papers by Muhammad > Yunus MD. > So I am wondering if the FIR saunas would dry me out and make my skin > pain worse because it does get worse when I get dry. I do agree that my > fibro is caused by sympatetic maintained pain. > > Years ago I was in a health club and went in a sauna. It was waaay tooo > hot for me. > I did not even have fibro full blown then. > Is it dry heat or moist heat? > Will it dry my skin out? > Any and all info would be helpful. > > Keep up the good work, > > Cindy > > > > > > > > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI <total@xmission.com> Subject: (thmi-fms) Guaifenesin, etc. Date: 21 Jan 2003 09:52:39 -0700 (MST) Dear thmi-fms subscriber, A member of this list emailed me wanting to know my position on the use of Guaifenesin for CFS/FMS. (The email, minus any references to the sender, follows this response. (Note: I have not thoroughly studied Dr. St.Amands suggested protocol so there could be some errors in the views expressed.) Dr. St. Amands focus on treatment of CFS/FMS is to expel phosphates from the body. He has found (I think credit for the actual research goes to a couple Swedish? researchers) that there is a high level of inorganic phosphates in people with CFS. Through experimentation, Dr. St. Amand found that an older medication, guaifenesin, commonly used as an expectorant in cough syrups, had the effect of expelling phosphates from the body. There are a number of people that report that they have found relief of symptoms following the guaifenesin protocol. And, there are as many that have tried the protocol without seeing similar good results. Many people are reluctant to try it because of the reported ill effects experienced during the protocol. There was a study done by Dr. Bennett, another CFS/FMS specialist at Oregon State University, that was set up to validate the effectiveness of the guaifenesin protocol. The results of this small study did not show much improvement in the participants health. Dr. St.Amand has said that he later found that salicylates in the diet could possibly block the effect of the guaifenesin. It was Dr. St.Amands opinion that because the participants were not restricted from salicylates (which are found in many products) the positive benefits of guaifenesin use was not seen in the participants. There is some logic to Dr. St.Amands approach (I don't know if my thinking is the same as his.) The following is found in a cell physiology text. During intense muscle activity inorganic phosphate (Pi) accumulates in the cell. A reduced pH will increase the dipronated form of Pi (H2PO4-), and this has been shown to be particularly effective in inhibiting muscle force development during muscle fatigue. (Cell Physiology Source Book, Edited by Nicholas Sperilakis, Academic Press 1995. pg. 221) According to this, part of the muscle weaknesses that people experience with CFS/FMS may be attributed to the inorganic phosphates. The thing that jumps out at me here is that a reduced pH (acidic internal cell environment) increases Pi production. From another website, (see: the "SoapBox" article on bio terrain) the Dr. says that phosphates outside the cell bind with magnesium and prevent it from entering the cell. Without magnesium inside the cell, the kreb cycle cannot function, aerobic energy production is then impaired. With a decrease in aerobic metabolism the cell relies more heavily upon the anaerobic process of glycolysis for energy production. One product of glycolysis is pyruvic acid which then builds up in the cell because it is not being processed in the mitochondria because of lack of magnesium for the kreb cycle. This creates a catch-22 situation within the cell. The cell needs magnesium (among other things) to produce energy. Magnesium is blocked from entering the cell by inorganic phosphates. The cell becomes more acidic as a result of glycolysis and blockage of kreb cycle for lack of magnesium. The lowered pH causes increased production of phosphates inside the cell. Magnesium is further blocked from entering the cell. My guess is that the Guaifenesin protocol may help by expelling the phosphates which may allow some magnesium to get into the cells to increase energy production. The approach that the program I've suggested is to use the FIR saunas to increase metabolism. (there may be some phosphate expelling as a result but I don't know) With the increase in energy the cell will have have the energy it needs to begin to normalize its internal environment. As the cell becomes more alkaline, less phosphates will be produced. Eventually getting to a point where magnesium, and other required nutrients are not blocked from getting into the cell. One thing about the guaifenesin is that it is a life time program. When a person stops taking guaifenesin, symptoms return rapidly. It would not appear that the guafenesin protocol addresses issues at the root of the problem. You mention the concern that Dr. Sal had that the gaufenesin protocol did not address the adrenal HPA axis. My thoughts on this is that the HPA link to this illness is not as critical. My thinking is that people with CFS/FMS eventually experience adrenal exhaustion because the adrenals are constantly pumping out hormones signalling to increase metabolism and controlling blood flow to conserve body heat. In time the necessary nutrients required to produce these hormones are used up. And due to problems in the digestive system replacement nutrients are not being taken in adaquately. Running out of the required resources, the glands can no longer produce hormones. (I think a similar thing is happening in thyroid and other glands that are producing low hormones, included HGH.) Addressing adrenal exhaustion does not address the problem of getting magnesium into the cells to get metabolism going again. When this problem is solved, then the body will be able to generate more heat and when the body returns to the correct temperature then the adrenals and thyroid can stop signalling to the cells to turn up the heat. Thus conserving their own resources. The adrenals and thyroid were not designed to have to work a 24/7 schedule. The focus, I believe, needs to be restoring metabolism and correcting digestion/absorption problems. When these are corrected the system will be able to take in the nutrients required to restock the adrenals, thyroid, and other body systems. This is assuming that the person will be eating foods which will supply the body with those nutrients. I hope that this has answered your questions adaquately. All the best, Jim A couple links for those interested An article supporting guai http://www.sunflower.org/~cfsdays/Abt_guai.htm An opposing viewpoint for guai http://web.mit.edu/london/www/guai.html The small part in the online presentation that I address this: http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Program/datadir/FMS_Etiology/fmspres1pg58txt.php3 ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > Jim: In all of your l0 yrs. of research of cfs/fms did you look at the GUAI > treament Mikie is so big on re: CFS message board? my primary dx with all > of my immune disregulation problems is cfids i developed muscle weakness > burning aching more and more in last 2 yrs. I just read a post by > someone on cfs they quit taking a plant based broad spectrum plant based > digestive enzyme ( i take one too or several as the case may be) but > they quit cause of the GUAI I assume they are on the guai > > DR. Sal that natuparth ND I was emailing in CA said he actually attended > lecture by Dr. St. Amand and he was not impressed as he did not address > the adrenal hormonal endocrine hypathlmus issues in cfs/fms > of course Dr. Sal also is a purist and says he has never seen in his > experience as an ND a patient drugged back to health. > > Which is probably true if we knew how to get to that point which I don't. > > > I GUESS the ??? I want to ask you is, many of us take all this plant > stuff, herbs, digestive enzymes, etc. > > What's your opinion on GUAI you have tried lot of things and are well > read over the years? > > I asked Cheney in June at my last visit he said the problem with > salacylates is that they are in everything. I think he meant very > difficult to avoid them. - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Ron Jones" <cubtrap@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Guaifenesin, etc. Date: 21 Jan 2003 19:43:57 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) --------------Boundary-00=_9DB312S0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_9DB3WCW0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_9DB3WCW0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's another look at guai. It has given many their lives back and has seemed to fail others.=0D This link will offer further insight.=0D Blessings!=0D ~ron~=0D =0D http://www.geocities.com/ukfmsguai/testimonials/testimopage.htm=0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D =0D Dear thmi-fms subscriber,=0D =0D A member of this list emailed me wanting to know my position on the use=0D of Guaifenesin for CFS/FMS. (The email, minus any references to the=0D sender, follows this response. (Note: I have not thoroughly studied Dr.=0D St.Amands suggested protocol so there could be some errors in the views=0D expressed.)=0D =0D Dr. St. Amands focus on treatment of CFS/FMS is to expel phosphates from=0D the body. He has found (I think credit for the actual research goes to a=0D couple Swedish? researchers) that there is a high level of inorganic=0D phosphates in people with CFS. Through experimentation, Dr. St. Amand=0D found that an older medication, guaifenesin, commonly used as an=0D expectorant in cough syrups, had the effect of expelling phosphates from=0D the body.=0D =0D There are a number of people that report that they have found relief of=0D symptoms following the guaifenesin protocol. And, there are as many that=0D have tried the protocol without seeing similar good results. Many people=0D are reluctant to try it because of the reported ill effects experienced=0D during the protocol.=0D =0D There was a study done by Dr. Bennett, another CFS/FMS specialist at=0D Oregon State University, that was set up to validate the effectiveness of= =0D the guaifenesin protocol. The results of this small study did not show=0D much improvement in the participants health. Dr. St.Amand has said that=0D he later found that salicylates in the diet could possibly block the=0D effect of the guaifenesin. It was Dr. St.Amands opinion that because=0D the participants were not restricted from salicylates (which are found in= =0D many products) the positive benefits of guaifenesin use was not seen in=0D the participants.=0D =0D There is some logic to Dr. St.Amands approach (I don't know if my=0D thinking is the same as his.)=0D =0D The following is found in a cell physiology text.=0D =0D During intense muscle activity inorganic phosphate (Pi) accumulates in th= e=0D cell. A reduced pH will increase the dipronated form of Pi (H2PO4-), and=0D this has been shown to be particularly effective in inhibiting muscle=0D force development during muscle fatigue. (Cell Physiology Source Book,=0D Edited by Nicholas Sperilakis, Academic Press 1995. pg. 221)=0D =0D According to this, part of the muscle weaknesses that people experience=0D with CFS/FMS may be attributed to the inorganic phosphates.=0D =0D The thing that jumps out at me here is that a reduced pH (acidic internal= =0D cell environment) increases Pi production. From another website, (see:=0D the "SoapBox" article on bio terrain) the Dr. says that phosphates outsid= e=0D the cell bind with magnesium and prevent it from entering the cell.=0D Without magnesium inside the cell, the kreb cycle cannot function, aerobi= c=0D energy production is then impaired.=0D =0D With a decrease in aerobic metabolism the cell relies more heavily upon=0D the anaerobic process of glycolysis for energy production. One product of= =0D glycolysis is pyruvic acid which then builds up in the cell because it is= =0D not being processed in the mitochondria because of lack of magnesium for=0D the kreb cycle.=0D =0D This creates a catch-22 situation within the cell. The cell needs=0D magnesium (among other things) to produce energy. Magnesium is blocked=0D from entering the cell by inorganic phosphates. The cell becomes more=0D acidic as a result of glycolysis and blockage of kreb cycle for lack of=0D magnesium. The lowered pH causes increased production of phosphates=0D inside the cell. Magnesium is further blocked from entering the cell.=0D =0D My guess is that the Guaifenesin protocol may help by expelling the=0D phosphates which may allow some magnesium to get into the cells to=0D increase energy production.=0D =0D The approach that the program I've suggested is to use the FIR saunas to=0D increase metabolism. (there may be some phosphate expelling as a result=0D but I don't know) With the increase in energy the cell will have have the= =0D energy it needs to begin to normalize its internal environment. As the=0D cell becomes more alkaline, less phosphates will be produced. Eventually=0D getting to a point where magnesium, and other required nutrients are not=0D blocked from getting into the cell.=0D =0D One thing about the guaifenesin is that it is a life time program. When a= =0D person stops taking guaifenesin, symptoms return rapidly. It would not=0D appear that the guafenesin protocol addresses issues at the root of the=0D problem.=0D =0D You mention the concern that Dr. Sal had that the gaufenesin protocol did= =0D not address the adrenal HPA axis. My thoughts on this is that the HPA=0D link to this illness is not as critical. My thinking is that people with=0D CFS/FMS eventually experience adrenal exhaustion because the adrenals are= =0D constantly pumping out hormones signalling to increase metabolism and=0D controlling blood flow to conserve body heat.=0D =0D In time the necessary nutrients required to produce these hormones are=0D used up. And due to problems in the digestive system replacement=0D nutrients are not being taken in adaquately. Running out of the required=0D resources, the glands can no longer produce hormones. (I think a similar=0D thing is happening in thyroid and other glands that are producing low=0D hormones, included HGH.)=0D =0D Addressing adrenal exhaustion does not address the problem of getting=0D magnesium into the cells to get metabolism going again. When this problem= =0D is solved, then the body will be able to generate more heat and when the=0D body returns to the correct temperature then the adrenals and thyroid can= =0D stop signalling to the cells to turn up the heat. Thus conserving their=0D own resources. The adrenals and thyroid were not designed to have to work= =0D a 24/7 schedule.=0D =0D The focus, I believe, needs to be restoring metabolism and correcting=0D digestion/absorption problems. When these are corrected the system will=0D be able to take in the nutrients required to restock the adrenals,=0D thyroid, and other body systems. This is assuming that the person will be= =0D eating foods which will supply the body with those nutrients.=0D =0D I hope that this has answered your questions adaquately.=0D =0D All the best,=0D Jim=0D =0D A couple links for those interested=0D =0D An article supporting guai=0D http://www.sunflower.org/~cfsdays/Abt_guai.htm=0D =0D An opposing viewpoint for guai=0D http://web.mit.edu/london/www/guai.html=0D =0D The small part in the online presentation that I address this:=0D http://www.xmission com/~total/temple/Program/datadir/FMS_Etiology/fmspres1pg58txt.php3=0D =0D _________________________________________________________________________= __=0D Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com=0D Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060=0D =0D =0D =0D > Jim: In all of your l0 yrs. of research of cfs/fms did you look at the GUAI=0D > treament Mikie is so big on re: CFS message board? my primary dx with a= ll=0D > of my immune disregulation problems is cfids i developed muscle weaknes= s=0D > burning aching more and more in last 2 yrs. I just read a post by=0D > someone on cfs they quit taking a plant based broad spectrum plant base= d=0D > digestive enzyme ( i take one too or several as the case may be) but=0D > they quit cause of the GUAI I assume they are on the guai=0D >=0D > DR. Sal that natuparth ND I was emailing in CA said he actually attende= d=0D > lecture by Dr. St. Amand and he was not impressed as he did not address= =0D > the adrenal hormonal endocrine hypathlmus issues in cfs/fms=0D > of course Dr. Sal also is a purist and says he has never seen in his=0D > experience as an ND a patient drugged back to health.=0D >=0D > Which is probably true if we knew how to get to that point which I don'= t.=0D >=0D >=0D > I GUESS the ??? I want to ask you is, many of us take all this plant=0D > stuff, herbs, digestive enzymes, etc.=0D >=0D > What's your opinion on GUAI you have tried lot of things and are well=0D > read over the years?=0D >=0D > I asked Cheney in June at my last visit he said the problem with=0D > salacylates is that they are in everything. I think he meant very=0D > difficult to avoid them.=0D =0D =0D -=0D To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com"=0D with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message.=0D For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send=0D "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.=0D =2E --------------Boundary-00=_9DB3WCW0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-885= 9-1"><html> <head> <meta name=3D"GENERATOR" content=3D"IncrediMail 1.0">=0D  =0A</head> <BODY background=3D"" bgColor=3D#ffffff style=3D"BACKGROUND-POSITION: 0px= 0px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 1px; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" scroll=3Dyes ORGY= POS=3D"0" X-FVER=3D"2.0"> <TABLE border=3D0 cellPadding=3D0 cellSpacing=3D0 id=3DINCREDIMAINTABLE w= idth=3D"95%"> <TR> <TD id=3DINCREDITEXTREGION width=3D"100%" style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 7px; PA= DDING-LEFT: 7px; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"=20 > <DIV>Here's another look at guai. It has given many their lives bac= k and=20 has seemed to fail others.</DIV> <DIV>This link will offer further insight.</DIV> <DIV>Blessings!</DIV> <DIV>~ron~</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><A=20 href=3D"http://www.geocities.com/ukfmsguai/testimonials/testimopage= =2Ehtm">http://www.geocities.com/ukfmsguai/testimonials/testimopage.htm</= A></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=3DIncrediOriginalMessage>-------Original Message-------<= /I></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV id=3Dreceivestrings> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" From: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com">thmi-fms@lists.xmission= =2Ecom</A></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" Date: Tuesda= y, January=20 21, 2003 11:54:48 AM</DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" To: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:thmi-fms@lists.xmission.com">thmi-fms@lists.xmission= =2Ecom</A></DIV> <DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 11pt" Subject: (th= mi-fms)=20 Guaifenesin, etc.</DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV>Dear thmi-fms subscriber, A member of this = list=20 emailed me wanting to know my position on the use of Guaifenesin= for=20 CFS/FMS. (The email, minus any references to the sender, follows= this=20 response. (Note: I have not thoroughly studied Dr. St.Amands sug= gested=20 protocol so there could be some errors in the=20 views expressed.) Dr. St. Amands focus on treatment of CF= S/FMS=20 is to expel phosphates from the body. He has found (I think cred= it for=20 the actual research goes to a couple Swedish? researchers) that = there=20 is a high level of inorganic phosphates in people with CFS. Thro= ugh=20 experimentation, Dr. St. Amand found that an older medication,=20 guaifenesin, commonly used as an expectorant in cough syrups, ha= d the=20 effect of expelling phosphates from the body. There are a= number=20 of people that report that they have found relief of symptoms fo= llowing=20 the guaifenesin protocol. And, there are as many that have tried= the=20 protocol without seeing similar good results. Many people are re= luctant=20 to try it because of the reported ill effects experienced during= the=20 protocol. There was a study done by Dr. Bennett, another CFS= /FMS=20 specialist at Oregon State University, that was set up to valida= te the=20 effectiveness of the guaifenesin protocol. The results of this s= mall=20 study did not show much improvement in the participants health. = Dr.=20 St.Amand has said that he later found that salicylates in the di= et=20 could possibly block the effect of the guaifenesin. It was Dr.=20 St.Amands opinion that because the participants were not restric= ted=20 from salicylates (which are found in many products) the positive= =20 benefits of guaifenesin use was not seen in the=20 participants. There is some logic to Dr. St.Amands approach = (I=20 don't know if my thinking is the same as his.) The follow= ing is=20 found in a cell physiology text. During intense muscle activ= ity=20 inorganic phosphate (Pi) accumulates in the cell. A reduced pH w= ill=20 increase the dipronated form of Pi (H2PO4-), and this has been s= hown to=20 be particularly effective in inhibiting muscle force development= during=20 muscle fatigue. (Cell Physiology Source Book, Edited by Nicholas= =20 Sperilakis, Academic Press 1995. pg. 221) According to this,= part=20 of the muscle weaknesses that people experience with CFS/FMS may= be=20 attributed to the inorganic phosphates. The thing that jumps= out at=20 me here is that a reduced pH (acidic internal cell environment)=20 increases Pi production. From another website, (see: the "SoapBo= x"=20 article on bio terrain) the Dr. says that phosphates outside the= cell=20 bind with magnesium and prevent it from entering the cell. Witho= ut=20 magnesium inside the cell, the kreb cycle cannot function,=20 aerobic energy production is then impaired. With a decrea= se in=20 aerobic metabolism the cell relies more heavily upon the anaerob= ic=20 process of glycolysis for energy production. One product of glyc= olysis=20 is pyruvic acid which then builds up in the cell because it is n= ot=20 being processed in the mitochondria because of lack of magnesium=20 for the kreb cycle. This creates a catch-22 situation wit= hin the=20 cell. The cell needs magnesium (among other things) to produce e= nergy.=20 Magnesium is blocked from entering the cell by inorganic phospha= tes.=20 The cell becomes more acidic as a result of glycolysis and block= age of=20 kreb cycle for lack of magnesium. The lowered pH causes increase= d=20 production of phosphates inside the cell. Magnesium is further b= locked=20 from entering the cell. My guess is that the Guaifenesin pro= tocol=20 may help by expelling the phosphates which may allow some magnes= ium to=20 get into the cells to increase energy production. The app= roach=20 that the program I've suggested is to use the FIR saunas to incr= ease=20 metabolism. (there may be some phosphate expelling as a result b= ut I=20 don't know) With the increase in energy the cell will have have=20 the energy it needs to begin to normalize its internal environme= nt. As=20 the cell becomes more alkaline, less phosphates will be produced= =2E=20 Eventually getting to a point where magnesium, and other require= d=20 nutrients are not blocked from getting into the cell. One= thing=20 about the guaifenesin is that it is a life time program. When a = person=20 stops taking guaifenesin, symptoms return rapidly. It would not = appear=20 that the guafenesin protocol addresses issues at the root of=20 the problem. You mention the concern that Dr. Sal had tha= t the=20 gaufenesin protocol did not address the adrenal HPA axis. My tho= ughts=20 on this is that the HPA link to this illness is not as critical.= My=20 thinking is that people with CFS/FMS eventually experience adren= al=20 exhaustion because the adrenals are constantly pumping out hormo= nes=20 signalling to increase metabolism and controlling blood flow to=20 conserve body heat. In time the necessary nutrients required= to=20 produce these hormones are used up. And due to problems in the=20 digestive system replacement nutrients are not being taken in=20 adaquately. Running out of the required resources, the glands ca= n no=20 longer produce hormones. (I think a similar thing is happening i= n=20 thyroid and other glands that are producing low hormones, includ= ed=20 HGH.) Addressing adrenal exhaustion does not address the pro= blem of=20 getting magnesium into the cells to get metabolism going again. = When=20 this problem is solved, then the body will be able to generate m= ore=20 heat and when the body returns to the correct temperature then t= he=20 adrenals and thyroid can stop signalling to the cells to turn up= the=20 heat. Thus conserving their own resources. The adrenals and thyr= oid=20 were not designed to have to work a 24/7 schedule. The fo= cus, I=20 believe, needs to be restoring metabolism and=20 correcting digestion/absorption problems. When these are correct= ed the=20 system will be able to take in the nutrients required to restock= the=20 adrenals, thyroid, and other body systems. This is assuming that= the=20 person will be eating foods which will supply the body with thos= e=20 nutrients. I hope that this has answered your questions=20 adaquately. All the best, Jim A couple links for t= hose=20 interested An article supporting guai <A=20 href=3D"http://www.sunflower.org/~cfsdays/Abt_guai.htm">http://www.= sunflower.org/~cfsdays/Abt_guai.htm</A> An=20 opposing viewpoint for guai <A=20 href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/london/www/guai.html">http://web.mit.edu= /london/www/guai.html</A> The=20 small part in the online presentation that I address this: <A=20 href=3D"http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Program/datadir/FMS_E= tiology/fmspres1pg58txt.php3">http://www.xmission.com/~total/temple/Progr= am/datadir/FMS_Etiology/fmspres1pg58txt.php3</A> _________________= __________________________________________________________ Jim=20 Clements | email: <A=20 href=3D"mailto:clements@xmission.com">clements@xmission.com</A> = Total=20 Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 > Jim: In all= of=20 your l0 yrs. of research of cfs/fms did you look at the GUAI >= ;=20 treament Mikie is so big on re: CFS message board? my primary dx wi= th=20 all > of my immune disregulation problems is cfids i develope= d=20 muscle weakness > burning aching more and more in last 2 yrs.= I just=20 read a post by > someone on cfs they quit taking a plant base= d broad=20 spectrum plant based > digestive enzyme ( i take one too or s= everal=20 as the case may be) but > they quit cause of the GUAI I assum= e they=20 are on the guai > > DR. Sal that natuparth ND I was ema= iling=20 in CA said he actually attended > lecture by Dr. St. Amand an= d he=20 was not impressed as he did not address > the adrenal hormona= l=20 endocrine hypathlmus issues in cfs/fms > of course Dr. Sal al= so is a=20 purist and says he has never seen in his > experience as an N= D a=20 patient drugged back to health. > > Which is probably t= rue if=20 we knew how to get to that point which I don't. > > = > I=20 GUESS the ??? I want to ask you is, many of us take all this plant<= BR>>=20 stuff, herbs, digestive enzymes, etc. > > What's your o= pinion=20 on GUAI you have tried lot of things and are well > read over= the=20 years? > > I asked Cheney in June at my last visit he s= aid the=20 problem with > salacylates is that they are in everything. I = think=20 he meant very > difficult to avoid them. - To=20 unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "<A=20 href=3D"mailto:majordomo@xmission.com">majordomo@xmission.com</A>"<= BR>with=20 "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For informati= on on=20 digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the = same=20 address. 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For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI <total@xmission.com> Subject: (thmi-fms) More on sodium Date: 27 Jan 2003 16:00:56 -0700 Hello thmi-fms subscriber, A member of this list had emailed wanting to know about sea vegetables as a source for sodium. There were a couple other questions also which I will give my two cents on as well. As I hope that most of you know, I have been suggesting sweet dairy whey as a source of sodium (per Bernard Jensens' recommendation in his book "The Chemistry of Man"). In a previous message sent to this forum was listed some other foods that Dr. Jensen recommends as good sources of organic sodium. (the article is in the website "SoapBox" section) I am under the impression that some of you that are using FIR sauna are only drinking whey on days that you sauna, to replace sodium lost through perspiration. This is good, but the goal is to restore a suspected sodium deficiency. I will usually have several drinks throughout the day in which I include whey. I use it in a breakfast drink and in the evening I'll mix some up in hot water and drink it before going to bed. Some of you may be intolerant to lactose. Do not automatically assume that you will also react negatively to sweet dairy whey. Some people have reported that while they are intolerant to some dairy products they did not react negatively to sweet dairy whey. Others have reported that they cannot tolerate whey. (The person whose questions prompted this email is one that reports not being able to tolerate whey.) Whey has the added benefit of supplying lactose, which according to some of the reading I've done is beneficial in feeding the good bacteria in our colon and helping to acidify the colon. (the colon should be slightly acidic for the good bacteria to thrive in that environment) If you cannot tolerate whey, that is okay. Whey, has no magic or medicinal properties, it is only a food which is being consumed for the benefit of the sodium it contains. There are other foods that are good sources for organic sodium (see the "SoapBox" article). This list member had asked about sea vegetables. Sea vegetables are excellent sources of sodium. Use them in your cooking where you can, or make a hot drink using them. Most sea vegetables also provide many of the trace minerals your body needs as well as iodine, needed for proper thyroid functioning. A couple other foods that you may want to consider is miso and Bragg's liquid amino's, these are both fermented soy products and excellent sources for organic sodium. You can use the Miso in soups or to make a hot drink. Liquid amino's is like a soy sauce, use it as a condiment to season vegetables, soups, and salads. Jensen writes in his book that the body cannot perspire without sodium, chlorine, and sulfur. I would like to add to his list, the most obvious, which is water. Most people with CFS/FMS are dealing with issues of dehydration. As the sodium levels increase you should get thirst signals which I hope that you are responding to by drinking water. If you know that your electrolyte levels are low, drinking excessive amounts of water may not be a good thing. A few months ago, here in Salt Lake City, there was a report on the news about a small girl who had died as a result of her parents forcing her to drink water. The parents were having her drink water on the recommendations of a health practitioner. The amount of water the girl was forced to drink was only about 1 pint, but her electrolyte levels were so low that this small amount of water diluted electrolytes to critically low levels. The child's parents reported that the child was physically resisting drinking the water. My guess is that the childs body was telling her not to drink water. If your electrolyte levels get too low, I suspect that your body will also resist water intake. That is why I say, do not force yourself to drink water. However, as electrolyte concentrations increase thirst signals should also increase. Under these conditions increased water intake would not be considered excessive. Another question asked was related to a probiotic product, Primal Defense. The probiotic that I've been suggesting is Flora Source. The two products appear to be very similar except that the Primal Defense products' selling point is the inclusion of soil based organisms. Wether soil based organisms have additional health properties I do not know. From what I have read, the only bacteria that can reside in the colon are the bacteria that is common to humans. Most probiotic products will probably be okay as long as it has a very high cell count, as most of the bacteria will die enroute to the colon. And, the bacteria is a type cultured from bacteria found in humans. Until the colon becomes more acidic, it is unlikely that any supplemented probiotics will be able to thrive and colonize the colon. The FIR sauna and the dietary sodium should help in this area. According to the author of "Acidophilus and Colon Health", some people may be able to restore intestinal flora without supplementation with just the sweet dairy whey to feed the bacteria that is already present. His recommendation is 6 to 8 tablespoons of whey daily. In closing I want to clarify that that sodium is not table salt. According to Dr. Morter (in his video presentation), studies have found that the amount of table salt consumed is equal to the amount excreted from the bowel, suggesting that table salt is not absorbed by the body. Limit or eliminate table salt from the diet but increase dietary sodium from food sources. Anyone dealing with gallbladder problems needs organic sodium (again according to Dr. Morter) since the blood takes sodium from the gallbladder when blood levels go low. Sodium is a major ingredient in bile. If there are any questions please feel free to ask. All the best, Jim - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI <total@xmission.com> Subject: (thmi-fms) Heaters, when they're gone, that's it. Date: 29 Jan 2003 10:10:30 -0700 (MST) Dear thmi-fms subscriber, If you have been thinking about investing in a set of FIR heaters, my advice to you is to not delay much longer. I have 12 pairs of heaters left in stock. And a few more that I need to first replace the heater cores to a lower wattage. When these are sold out, I do not see myself ordering more (at this point). I've acquired too much debt. My goal now is to try to dig myself out of this financial hole I've put myself in. The heaters are $149.95 each plus shipping. This is $50 less (per heater) than I've seen the lamp type FIR heaters offered elsewhere on the net. (to my knowledge these are the only FIR heaters of this type that the manufacturer has imported into the states.) I will continue to help those that want my help, and support those that have trusted me enough to invest in the FIR heaters. It may be through phone or private email. This site may be up for another month or so. I do not have the resources to prove this program to a point that people will put more confidence in trying it. I've provided information and supporting research and had hoped that more people would be able to see the logic and be willing to try. I took a risk, it didn't pan out. There are a few of you on this list that see me only as another person trying to profit from anothers desperate situation. I suppose if I had the illness and experienced what you have, I might have similar feelings. I hope that you all find your own path to restore your health. If you are going to get well, it will be because you have taken the initiative in studying and trying different things. Wait for your dr. to provide an answer and I can guarantee that you will be suffering for a very long time. This is not a slam on the drs., it's just that their hands are tied. They cannot offer anything that has not been approved by the AMA or FDA. So, from your dr. you will get pain killers, anti-depressants, and other meds. None of which address the root of the problem. And what is the root of the problem? I've shared my ideas with you. Study it out in your own mind. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sortasweet65@webtv.net Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Heaters, when they're gone, that's it. Date: 29 Jan 2003 18:47:32 -0500 (EST) Jim, I have been thinking alot about this, and I do want two of the heaters. I will have to wait to the 12th of next month though. I liked it when you told me they put out heat like a wood stove. Your explanation of why a person is colder in a room in winter and warmer in summer even though the room is the same temp. really made since to me. It makes me sad that the forum will be gone in a month. I am just now understanding some of this. There are some people that only look to the doctors. I am not one of those people. I traveled 500 miles twice last year to DC to have Flexyx Neurotherapy done to my brain and spent alot of money. It did not help me but I think it did help me to get my SSDI check which I found out about on Jan 6th. I take guaifenesin. I got my doctor to give me a shot of oxytocin . That idea also came from Dr. Syarlanyls book just like the Neurotherapy and about your program. You might want to look up www.fibromyhelp.com to know about the oxytocin. I hate to hear of your debt worries. I was wondering if there is a difference in the whey products. I have a catalog from Immunesupport's Pro Health. It has Undenatured Whey Protein. Is there only one kind of whey that you think people should take? I also saw on the website at GNC that they also have whey. I think you put your number up one time (foggy ) . May I have that again. Thanks, Cindy <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI <total@xmission.com> Subject: (thmi-fms) Regarding whey products Date: 29 Jan 2003 17:17:31 -0700 (MST) Cindy, There are a few concentrated whey protein products on the market, such as the immunepro or immuneplus, some of them are quite expensive. Dr. Cheney recommends these products for the nutrients they provide required for the production of glutathione, a scavenger molecule predominant in the liver. Although, in his video presentation he points out that glutathione production follows the production of ATP. So if a body is supplied these nutrients for making glutathione and the body is not creating sufficient ATP, my thinking is that glutathione is not being created much more by taking these whey protein products. Anyway, the whey that I suggest is "Sweet Dairy Whey". Most healthfood stores that carry bulk food items will usually stock it. It runs about $2/lb. very affordable. The purpose for the whey is for the organic sodium that it provides. Per Bernard Jensen, sodium is required for the stomach to produce HCL. I will use several tablespoons of the product daily. The lactose in the whey also, according to some reading I've done, feeds the good bacteria in our colon and helps to restore the environment of the colon. Another product that I suggest is Brewers Yeast. The Lewis Labs brand is the one I've found least offensive (taste-wise). With the decrease in beneficial intestinal flora, there is a decrease in the amount of B vitamins that are being produced by the bacteria in our gut. If you take a B vitamin tablet, that is okay but be sure to supplement it with foods naturally high in the B complex vitamins, brewers yeast is such a food. Per information in "The Complete Book of Minerals for Health", several of the B vitamins are also required for the production of HCL. (I'll expand on this in a later post.) One goal of the program is to get the stomach producing HCL. Then the body should be able to once again absorb the nutrients from the food. We're all worrying about something and usually the stuff we worry about is not worth the worry. Love casts out all fears. All the best, Jim ___________________________________________________________________________ Jim Clements | email: clements@xmission.com Total Health Marketing | ph. 801/583-5060 On Wed, 29 Jan 2003 sortasweet65@webtv.net wrote: > > Jim, > > I have been thinking alot about this, and I do want two of the heaters. > I will have to wait to the 12th of next month though. > I liked it when you told me they put out heat like a wood stove. Your > explanation > of why a person is colder in a room in winter and warmer in summer even > though the room is the same temp. really made since to me. > It makes me sad that the forum will be gone in a month. I am just now > understanding some of this. > There are some people that only look to the doctors. I am not one of > those people. I traveled 500 miles twice last year to DC to have Flexyx > Neurotherapy done to my brain and spent alot of money. It did not help > me but I think it did help me to get my SSDI check which I found out > about on Jan 6th. I take guaifenesin. I got my doctor to give me a > shot of oxytocin . > That idea also came from Dr. Syarlanyls book just like the Neurotherapy > and about your program. You might want to look up www.fibromyhelp.com > to know about the oxytocin. > > I hate to hear of your debt worries. > > I was wondering if there is a difference in the whey products. I have a > catalog from Immunesupport's Pro Health. It has Undenatured Whey > Protein. Is there only one kind of whey that you think people should > take? > I also saw on the website at GNC that they also have whey. > I think you put your number up one time (foggy ) . May I have that > again. > > Thanks, > > Cindy > > > > > > > > <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THMI <total@xmission.com> Subject: (thmi-fms) Intesinal Flora and Brewers Yeast Date: 31 Jan 2003 19:40:25 -0700 Dear thmi-fms subscriber, An estimated four pounds of bacteria reside in our intestinal tract. This bacteria has a symbiotic relationship to or own body, we give it a place to live and in return our body benefits from it being there. Approximately 85 percent of this bacteria is "beneficial" bacteria and 15 percent is "bad" or lets say "differently beneficial" bacteria. So, in a healthy human intestinal tract there is about 3 pounds of bacteria doing things that contribute to the health of our body, and keeping the other 1 pound of bacteria under control. One of the most plentiful bacteria residing in the colon is acidophilus. It's name literally means "acid loving". It has been found that acidophilus likes to live in a slightly acid environment, a healthy colon with a pH of 5.6pH to 6.9pH is such an environment. Acidophilus is known as a fermentative bacteria because it ferments specific carbohydrates, such as milk sugar, and secrete acids in the process. These acids help to maintain the acidity in the colon. Acidophilus bacteria also synthesize valuable nutrients in the process of metabolism, which are absorbed into the bloodstream. These nutrients include essential vitamins such as niacin, thiamin, riboflavin, pyridoxine, folic acid, pantothenic acid, biotin, vitamin B12, and vitamin K, which are all utilized by the human host. As a result, our nutritional status, health and immunity are enhanced. Clearly, colon health influences the health of our whole body.[1,pg.15] If the diet is lacking in vitamin B1(thiamin), vitamin B2(riboflavin), niacin, pantothenic acid or choline, the stomach is unable to secrete sufficient hydrochloric acid.[2,pg.738] If the ecology of the intestinal flora is upset such that the colony of acidophilus bacteria is reduced can you see how that may reduce the amount of the nutrients essential for production of HCl. When HCl production is reduced the pH of the entire digestive tract is then affected, possibly making the colon more alkaline and even less favorable for the "beneficial" bacteria to thrive. As a result, candida and other less desireable bacteria take over and produce byproducts toxic to the body. See the "Soapbox" articles "Nutrient Depletion and FMS/CFS" and "Biological Terrain in FMS and CFS". You can see how lack of specific B vitamins may contribute to the low levels of hydrochloric acid in these people and negatively affect absorption of a number of other nutrients. One goal of the program is to increase metabolism which as a byproduct will increase CO2 levels in the blood. You may recall from previous postings that CO2 is also required for the production of HCl in the stomach. Also, sodium is required for HCl production. Speaking of CO2 I recently came across the following which I found to be very interesting. Electrolyte Buffers: The most plentiful, which are referred to as the XCO3's, are sodium, calcium and potassium. These three minerals work in the blood, lymph, extracellular and intracellular fluids to bind acids, which are then removed through the urine. These three elements are recycled by the kidneys back into the blood and lymph by binding them to CO2. Over 70% of the CO2 produced in the body through cellular fermentation in the production of energy is used to carry out this recycling process.[3,pg.57] It would then appear that with a reduction in CO2 in the blood, which would happen with impaired metabolism, the amount of sodium, calcium, and potassium lost through urination may be increased. (Anyway, that is beside the point of this article) Back to the topic of bacteria. When HCl production is increased it should then help to rid the body of the bacteria that prefer a more alkaline environment, ie. candida. When colon pH is returned to a more acidic state, probiotic supplementation should then help to reestablish the beneficial bacteria colonies. In the meantime, how do we get the vitamins that would normally have been produced by the good bacteria. Which brings me to the point of this article. One of the food supplements that I suggest a person take is brewer's yeast. As was pointed out earlier, acidophilus bacteria generate a number of B vitamins and other nutrients. It then makes sense that another bacteria, brewer's yeast, is a very high source for these same nutrients. The product that I recommend, purely for reason of taste, is Lewis Lab's brand. (Note: I have ordered a debittered brewer's yeast and will report on the experience if that passes my taste test.) Anyway, until the intestinal flora is returned to healthy levels, I suggest that a person take brewer's yeast and also include foods in the diet that provide these B vitamins and other nutrients. One drink that I will often make for breakfast is Mix in blender 1 1/2 cups filtered water 1 heaping Tablespoon (sometimes more) of Sweet Dairy Whey 1 heaping Tablespoon of Brewer's Yeast 1 raw egg (whole) a little honey and maybe some vanilla or almond extract for flavor. (you might give molasses a try instead of honey) (If you are lactose intolerant you may try the above but substitute the water and whey with a similar quantity of a non-dairy replacement drink like soy or almond milk but I find that many of these products are highly sweetened.) Well I hope that this has been helpful information. I'll write about another suggested food in my next post to the forum. All the best, Jim - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Penny Houle <pennyhoule@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Intesinal Flora and Brewers Yeast Date: 31 Jan 2003 20:39:17 -0800 (PST) Jim, I'm so sad to hear you're closing your site. I'm new to your list and love your info. My friend is a doctor doing his residency. He plans to specialize in alternative and nutritional medicine. He takes a bag of nutritional yeast everywhere with him and puts it on salads and potatoes, etc. It's quite delicious. Has a kind of white cheesy taste. Have you tried it? Reminds me, I need to buy some. penny p.s. tell me again how much your heaters are? --- THMI <total@xmission.com> wrote: > > Dear thmi-fms subscriber, > > An estimated four pounds of bacteria reside in our > intestinal tract. > This bacteria has a symbiotic relationship to or own > body, we give it a > place to live and in return our body benefits from > it being there. > Approximately 85 percent of this bacteria is > "beneficial" bacteria and > 15 percent is "bad" or lets say "differently > beneficial" bacteria. So, > in a healthy human intestinal tract there is about 3 > pounds of bacteria > doing things that contribute to the health of our > body, and keeping the > other 1 pound of bacteria under control. > > One of the most plentiful bacteria residing in the > colon is acidophilus. > It's name literally means "acid loving". It has > been found that acidophilus > likes to live in a slightly acid environment, a > healthy colon with a pH of > 5.6pH to 6.9pH is such an environment. Acidophilus > is known as a fermentative > bacteria because it ferments specific carbohydrates, > such as milk sugar, > and secrete acids in the process. These acids help > to maintain the > acidity in the colon. > > Acidophilus bacteria also synthesize valuable > nutrients in the process > of metabolism, which are absorbed into the > bloodstream. These nutrients > include essential vitamins such as niacin, thiamin, > riboflavin, > pyridoxine, folic acid, pantothenic acid, biotin, > vitamin B12, and > vitamin K, which are all utilized by the human host. > As a result, our > nutritional status, health and immunity are > enhanced. Clearly, colon > health influences the health of our whole > body.[1,pg.15] > > If the diet is lacking in vitamin B1(thiamin), > vitamin B2(riboflavin), > niacin, pantothenic acid or choline, the stomach is > unable to secrete > sufficient hydrochloric acid.[2,pg.738] > > If the ecology of the intestinal flora is upset such > that the colony of > acidophilus bacteria is reduced can you see how that > may reduce the > amount of the nutrients essential for production of > HCl. When HCl > production is reduced the pH of the entire digestive > tract is then > affected, possibly making the colon more alkaline > and even less favorable > for the "beneficial" bacteria to thrive. As a > result, candida and other > less desireable bacteria take over and produce > byproducts toxic to the > body. > > See the "Soapbox" articles "Nutrient Depletion and > FMS/CFS" and "Biological > Terrain in FMS and CFS". You can see how lack of > specific B vitamins > may contribute to the low levels of hydrochloric > acid in these people and > negatively affect absorption of a number of other > nutrients. > > One goal of the program is to increase metabolism > which as a byproduct > will increase CO2 levels in the blood. You may > recall from previous > postings that CO2 is also required for the > production of HCl in the > stomach. Also, sodium is required for HCl > production. > > Speaking of CO2 I recently came across the following > which I found to be > very interesting. > > Electrolyte Buffers: The most plentiful, which are > referred to as the > XCO3's, are sodium, calcium and potassium. These > three minerals work in > the blood, lymph, extracellular and intracellular > fluids to bind acids, > which are then removed through the urine. > These three elements are recycled by the kidneys > back into the blood > and lymph by binding them to CO2. Over 70% of the > CO2 produced in the > body through cellular fermentation in the production > of energy is used > to carry out this recycling process.[3,pg.57] > > It would then appear that with a reduction in CO2 in > the blood, which > would happen with impaired metabolism, the amount of > sodium, calcium, > and potassium lost through urination may be > increased. (Anyway, that > is beside the point of this article) > > Back to the topic of bacteria. When HCl production > is increased it > should then help to rid the body of the bacteria > that prefer a more > alkaline environment, ie. candida. When colon pH is > returned to a more > acidic state, probiotic supplementation should then > help to reestablish > the beneficial bacteria colonies. In the meantime, > how do we get the > vitamins that would normally have been produced by > the good bacteria. > Which brings me to the point of this article. > > One of the food supplements that I suggest a person > take is brewer's > yeast. As was pointed out earlier, acidophilus > bacteria generate a > number of B vitamins and other nutrients. It then > makes sense that > another bacteria, brewer's yeast, is a very high > source for these same > nutrients. The product that I recommend, purely for > reason of taste, > is Lewis Lab's brand. (Note: I have ordered a > debittered brewer's yeast and > will report on the experience if that passes my > taste test.) > > Anyway, until the intestinal flora is returned to > healthy levels, I > suggest that a person take brewer's yeast and also > include foods in the > diet that provide these B vitamins and other > nutrients. > > One drink that I will often make for breakfast is > > Mix in blender > > 1 1/2 cups filtered water > 1 heaping Tablespoon (sometimes more) of Sweet Dairy > Whey > 1 heaping Tablespoon of Brewer's Yeast > 1 raw egg (whole) > a little honey and maybe some vanilla or almond > extract for flavor. > (you might give molasses a try instead of honey) > > (If you are lactose intolerant you may try the above > but substitute the > water and whey with a similar quantity of a > non-dairy replacement drink > like soy or almond milk but I find that many of > these products are > highly sweetened.) > > Well I hope that this has been helpful information. > I'll write about > another suggested food in my next post to the forum. > > All the best, > Jim > > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to > "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the > message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and > old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > your message. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Madi" <madcreek@linkline.com> Subject: Re: (thmi-fms) Intesinal Flora and Brewers Yeast Date: 31 Jan 2003 21:50:24 -0800 Jim I guess I haven't been keeping up. What's this about losing your site? This can't happen. Madi ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 8:39 PM > Jim, > > I'm so sad to hear you're closing your site. I'm new > to your list and love your info. > > My friend is a doctor doing his residency. He plans to > specialize in alternative and nutritional medicine. He > takes a bag of nutritional yeast everywhere with him > and puts it on salads and potatoes, etc. It's quite > delicious. Has a kind of white cheesy taste. Have you > tried it? > > Reminds me, I need to buy some. > > penny > > p.s. tell me again how much your heaters are? > > > > --- THMI <total@xmission.com> wrote: > > > > Dear thmi-fms subscriber, > > > > An estimated four pounds of bacteria reside in our > > intestinal tract. > > This bacteria has a symbiotic relationship to or own > > body, we give it a > > place to live and in return our body benefits from > > it being there. > > Approximately 85 percent of this bacteria is > > "beneficial" bacteria and > > 15 percent is "bad" or lets say "differently > > beneficial" bacteria. So, > > in a healthy human intestinal tract there is about 3 > > pounds of bacteria > > doing things that contribute to the health of our > > body, and keeping the > > other 1 pound of bacteria under control. > > > > One of the most plentiful bacteria residing in the > > colon is acidophilus. > > It's name literally means "acid loving". It has > > been found that acidophilus > > likes to live in a slightly acid environment, a > > healthy colon with a pH of > > 5.6pH to 6.9pH is such an environment. Acidophilus > > is known as a fermentative > > bacteria because it ferments specific carbohydrates, > > such as milk sugar, > > and secrete acids in the process. These acids help > > to maintain the > > acidity in the colon. > > > > Acidophilus bacteria also synthesize valuable > > nutrients in the process > > of metabolism, which are absorbed into the > > bloodstream. These nutrients > > include essential vitamins such as niacin, thiamin, > > riboflavin, > > pyridoxine, folic acid, pantothenic acid, biotin, > > vitamin B12, and > > vitamin K, which are all utilized by the human host. > > As a result, our > > nutritional status, health and immunity are > > enhanced. Clearly, colon > > health influences the health of our whole > > body.[1,pg.15] > > > > If the diet is lacking in vitamin B1(thiamin), > > vitamin B2(riboflavin), > > niacin, pantothenic acid or choline, the stomach is > > unable to secrete > > sufficient hydrochloric acid.[2,pg.738] > > > > If the ecology of the intestinal flora is upset such > > that the colony of > > acidophilus bacteria is reduced can you see how that > > may reduce the > > amount of the nutrients essential for production of > > HCl. When HCl > > production is reduced the pH of the entire digestive > > tract is then > > affected, possibly making the colon more alkaline > > and even less favorable > > for the "beneficial" bacteria to thrive. As a > > result, candida and other > > less desireable bacteria take over and produce > > byproducts toxic to the > > body. > > > > See the "Soapbox" articles "Nutrient Depletion and > > FMS/CFS" and "Biological > > Terrain in FMS and CFS". You can see how lack of > > specific B vitamins > > may contribute to the low levels of hydrochloric > > acid in these people and > > negatively affect absorption of a number of other > > nutrients. > > > > One goal of the program is to increase metabolism > > which as a byproduct > > will increase CO2 levels in the blood. You may > > recall from previous > > postings that CO2 is also required for the > > production of HCl in the > > stomach. Also, sodium is required for HCl > > production. > > > > Speaking of CO2 I recently came across the following > > which I found to be > > very interesting. > > > > Electrolyte Buffers: The most plentiful, which are > > referred to as the > > XCO3's, are sodium, calcium and potassium. These > > three minerals work in > > the blood, lymph, extracellular and intracellular > > fluids to bind acids, > > which are then removed through the urine. > > These three elements are recycled by the kidneys > > back into the blood > > and lymph by binding them to CO2. Over 70% of the > > CO2 produced in the > > body through cellular fermentation in the production > > of energy is used > > to carry out this recycling process.[3,pg.57] > > > > It would then appear that with a reduction in CO2 in > > the blood, which > > would happen with impaired metabolism, the amount of > > sodium, calcium, > > and potassium lost through urination may be > > increased. (Anyway, that > > is beside the point of this article) > > > > Back to the topic of bacteria. When HCl production > > is increased it > > should then help to rid the body of the bacteria > > that prefer a more > > alkaline environment, ie. candida. When colon pH is > > returned to a more > > acidic state, probiotic supplementation should then > > help to reestablish > > the beneficial bacteria colonies. In the meantime, > > how do we get the > > vitamins that would normally have been produced by > > the good bacteria. > > Which brings me to the point of this article. > > > > One of the food supplements that I suggest a person > > take is brewer's > > yeast. As was pointed out earlier, acidophilus > > bacteria generate a > > number of B vitamins and other nutrients. It then > > makes sense that > > another bacteria, brewer's yeast, is a very high > > source for these same > > nutrients. The product that I recommend, purely for > > reason of taste, > > is Lewis Lab's brand. (Note: I have ordered a > > debittered brewer's yeast and > > will report on the experience if that passes my > > taste test.) > > > > Anyway, until the intestinal flora is returned to > > healthy levels, I > > suggest that a person take brewer's yeast and also > > include foods in the > > diet that provide these B vitamins and other > > nutrients. > > > > One drink that I will often make for breakfast is > > > > Mix in blender > > > > 1 1/2 cups filtered water > > 1 heaping Tablespoon (sometimes more) of Sweet Dairy > > Whey > > 1 heaping Tablespoon of Brewer's Yeast > > 1 raw egg (whole) > > a little honey and maybe some vanilla or almond > > extract for flavor. > > (you might give molasses a try instead of honey) > > > > (If you are lactose intolerant you may try the above > > but substitute the > > water and whey with a similar quantity of a > > non-dairy replacement drink > > like soy or almond milk but I find that many of > > these products are > > highly sweetened.) > > > > Well I hope that this has been helpful information. > > I'll write about > > another suggested food in my next post to the forum. > > > > All the best, > > Jim > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to > > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the > > message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and > > old messages send > > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > > your message. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > - > To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to thmi-fms, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe thmi-fms" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message.