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From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Step Progression Date: 02 Jan 2001 08:42:08 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C07497.E46853A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit One out of a thousand times is not ver likely, but at the same time this is a game. We roll a d20 in a normal session of D&D maybe a hundred times or more. Add in that in Afterlife you roll multiple dice for a single check, so you are rolling maybe 400-700 dice per session, and with manifestation points, it becomes a lot more likely that you will get a a 35. If it stays this rare, one a session, I have no problem with that, I just want to see how it will work. One thing I do like about it it that at the far end it does have very high numbers so just about any huge crushing effect can be modeled on the chart. For example, the difficulty of living through a nuclear blast, or lifting an aircraft carrier. This stuff is pointless for the characters but important for the game to have the ability to model. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Moeller Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 5:19 PM To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (rpggroup) Step Progression You have to remember that getting over 30 on one die happens one out of a thousand times. It's not very likely. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Lundeen To: RPG Group Mailing List Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 3:50 PM Subject: (rpggroup) Step Progression Sorry, I was analyzing your progression, seeing if it is to my liking or not... I am a little critical about how high the numbers jump up at the end of the scale (roll 35+) but I need to digest how it would work with the rest of the system before I can make any type of judgement. BTW, good work! Ron's e-mail address is Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu Dean's e-mail is dpwagner@aol.com Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C07497.E46853A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D550253615-02012001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>One out of a thousand times is not ver likely, but at = the same=20 time this is a game. We roll a d20 in a normal session of D&D = maybe a=20 hundred times or more. Add in that in Afterlife you roll multiple = dice for=20 a single check, so you are rolling maybe 400-700 dice per session, and = with=20 manifestation points, it becomes a lot more likely that you will get a a = 35. If it stays this rare, one a session, I have no problem with = that, I=20 just want to see how it will work. </STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D550253615-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D550253615-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2>One thing I do like about it it that at the far end it does = have very=20 high numbers so just about any huge crushing effect can be modeled on = the=20 chart. For example, the difficulty of living through a nuclear = blast, or=20 lifting an aircraft carrier. This stuff is pointless for the = characters=20 but important for the game to have the ability to=20 model.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 = cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> John=20 Moeller<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 29, 2000 5:19 = PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 rpggroup@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: (rpggroup) Step=20 Progression<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>You have to remember that getting over 30 on one = die happens=20 one out of a thousand times. It's not very likely.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Drlundeen@glyphics.com = href=3D"mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com">Robert=20 Lundeen</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Drpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 href=3D"mailto:rpggroup@lists.xmission.com">RPG Group Mailing = List</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 29, = 2000 3:50=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> (rpggroup) Step=20 Progression</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D800324322-29122000><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2><STRONG>Sorry, I=20 was analyzing your progression, seeing if it is to my liking or = not... =20 I am a little critical about how high the numbers jump up at the end = of the=20 scale (roll 35+) but I need to digest how it would work with the = rest of the=20 system before I can make any type of judgement. BTW, good=20 work!</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>Ron's=20 e-mail address is <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu">Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu</A></= FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>Dean's=20 e-mail is <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:dpwagner@aol.com">dpwagner@aol.com</A></FONT></STRONG></SP= AN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 652-2693 cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C07497.E46853A0-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks Date: 02 Jan 2001 12:19:55 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C074B6.50F9EC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am looking for advice... I know how a skill check is performed (roll dice, count steps, beat a Target Step (TS)). For an opposed skill check I need a way to have a passive resistance and an active resistance. The passive resistance wold just be a set number equal to the characters "something." I don't know what I want the "something" to be, if I make it the characters attribute then it will be ridiculously easy to do anything to anybody. For example, if you want to shoot the guard or sneak past him the TS would be only 3 or 4, crappy. Plus if I use an attribute this would only rarely improve. Problem One. For problem two. If a want to actively resist something then what do I do? Possibly roll a dice and count steps, the total steps being the new TS? Or, do I want to add it to the attribute score? Attribute A is the passive resistance, plus roll B for the active resistance, equals C the new TS. Help. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C074B6.50F9EC40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2><STRONG>I am looking=20 for advice... I know how a skill check is performed (roll dice, = count=20 steps, beat a Target Step (TS)). For an opposed skill check I need = a way=20 to have a passive resistance and an active resistance. The passive = resistance wold just be a set number equal to the characters = "something." =20 I don't know what I want the "something" to be, if I make it the = characters=20 attribute then it will be ridiculously easy to do anything to = anybody. For=20 example, if you want to shoot the guard or sneak past him the TS would = be only 3=20 or 4, crappy. Plus if I use an attribute this would only = rarely=20 improve. Problem One.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>For problem=20 two. If a want to actively resist something then what do I = do? =20 Possibly roll a dice and count steps, the total steps being the new = TS? =20 Or, do I want to add it to the attribute score? Attribute A is the = passive=20 resistance, plus roll B for the active resistance, equals C the new=20 TS.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>Help.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 = cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C074B6.50F9EC40-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Moeller, John" <jmoeller@enterasys.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Step Progression Date: 02 Jan 2001 14:33:38 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C074F2.EBD25874 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You have a very good point. Maybe we could adjust your TS chart? -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 8:42 AM One out of a thousand times is not ver likely, but at the same time this is a game. We roll a d20 in a normal session of D&D maybe a hundred times or more. Add in that in Afterlife you roll multiple dice for a single check, so you are rolling maybe 400-700 dice per session, and with manifestation points, it becomes a lot more likely that you will get a a 35. If it stays this rare, one a session, I have no problem with that, I just want to see how it will work. One thing I do like about it it that at the far end it does have very high numbers so just about any huge crushing effect can be modeled on the chart. For example, the difficulty of living through a nuclear blast, or lifting an aircraft carrier. This stuff is pointless for the characters but important for the game to have the ability to model. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Moeller Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 5:19 PM You have to remember that getting over 30 on one die happens one out of a thousand times. It's not very likely. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 3:50 PM Sorry, I was analyzing your progression, seeing if it is to my liking or not... I am a little critical about how high the numbers jump up at the end of the scale (roll 35+) but I need to digest how it would work with the rest of the system before I can make any type of judgement. BTW, good work! Ron's e-mail address is Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu <mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu> Dean's e-mail is dpwagner@aol.com <mailto:dpwagner@aol.com> Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone ------_=_NextPart_001_01C074F2.EBD25874 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=819163219-02012001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#808000 size=2><STRONG>You have a very good point. Maybe we could adjust your TS chart?</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #808000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, 2001 8:42 AM<BR><B>To:</B> rpggroup@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup) Step Progression<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=550253615-02012001><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>One out of a thousand times is not ver likely, but at the same time this is a game. We roll a d20 in a normal session of D&D maybe a hundred times or more. Add in that in Afterlife you roll multiple dice for a single check, so you are rolling maybe 400-700 dice per session, and with manifestation points, it becomes a lot more likely that you will get a a 35. If it stays this rare, one a session, I have no problem with that, I just want to see how it will work. </STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=550253615-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=550253615-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2>One thing I do like about it it that at the far end it does have very high numbers so just about any huge crushing effect can be modeled on the chart. For example, the difficulty of living through a nuclear blast, or lifting an aircraft carrier. This stuff is pointless for the characters but important for the game to have the ability to model.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Robert Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Billing/Collections Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Glyphics Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>(801) 365-0500 ext. 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 cell phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> John Moeller<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 29, 2000 5:19 PM<BR><B>To:</B> rpggroup@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: (rpggroup) Step Progression<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>You have to remember that getting over 30 on one die happens one out of a thousand times. It's not very likely.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rlundeen@glyphics.com href="mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com">Robert Lundeen</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rpggroup@lists.xmission.com href="mailto:rpggroup@lists.xmission.com">RPG Group Mailing List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 29, 2000 3:50 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> (rpggroup) Step Progression</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=800324322-29122000><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>Sorry, I was analyzing your progression, seeing if it is to my liking or not... I am a little critical about how high the numbers jump up at the end of the scale (roll 35+) but I need to digest how it would work with the rest of the system before I can make any type of judgement. BTW, good work!</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ron's e-mail address is <A href="mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu">Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu</A></FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dean's e-mail is <A href="mailto:dpwagner@aol.com">dpwagner@aol.com</A></FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Robert Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Billing/Collections Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Glyphics Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>(801) 365-0500 ext. 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 cell phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C074F2.EBD25874-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Moeller, John" <jmoeller@enterasys.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks Date: 02 Jan 2001 14:31:49 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C074F2.AADA43F4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Well, for passive resistance (Gandhi), I don't know. We'll probably have to just create another chart. But for active resistance, just compare steps. Whoever gets more steps wins. That easy. Remember, as you said yourself, there are no target numbers, just target steps. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:20 PM I am looking for advice... I know how a skill check is performed (roll dice, count steps, beat a Target Step (TS)). For an opposed skill check I need a way to have a passive resistance and an active resistance. The passive resistance wold just be a set number equal to the characters "something." I don't know what I want the "something" to be, if I make it the characters attribute then it will be ridiculously easy to do anything to anybody. For example, if you want to shoot the guard or sneak past him the TS would be only 3 or 4, crappy. Plus if I use an attribute this would only rarely improve. Problem One. For problem two. If a want to actively resist something then what do I do? Possibly roll a dice and count steps, the total steps being the new TS? Or, do I want to add it to the attribute score? Attribute A is the passive resistance, plus roll B for the active resistance, equals C the new TS. Help. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone ------_=_NextPart_001_01C074F2.AADA43F4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=453412719-02012001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#808000 size=2><STRONG>Well, for passive resistance (Gandhi), I don't know. We'll probably have to just create another chart.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=453412719-02012001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#808000 size=2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=453412719-02012001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#808000 size=2><STRONG>But for active resistance, just compare steps. Whoever gets more steps wins. That easy. Remember, as you said yourself, there are no target numbers, just target steps.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #808000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> RPG Group Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=780441219-02012001><FONT face=Arial size=2><STRONG>I am looking for advice... I know how a skill check is performed (roll dice, count steps, beat a Target Step (TS)). For an opposed skill check I need a way to have a passive resistance and an active resistance. The passive resistance wold just be a set number equal to the characters "something." I don't know what I want the "something" to be, if I make it the characters attribute then it will be ridiculously easy to do anything to anybody. For example, if you want to shoot the guard or sneak past him the TS would be only 3 or 4, crappy. Plus if I use an attribute this would only rarely improve. Problem One.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>For problem two. If a want to actively resist something then what do I do? Possibly roll a dice and count steps, the total steps being the new TS? Or, do I want to add it to the attribute score? Attribute A is the passive resistance, plus roll B for the active resistance, equals C the new TS.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>Help.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Robert Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Billing/Collections Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Glyphics Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>(801) 365-0500 ext. 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 cell phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C074F2.AADA43F4-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Step Progression Date: 02 Jan 2001 12:44:04 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C074B9.B0ABE140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That is what I am thinking, changing the progression to be a little slower. I pulled the chart out to 100 and graphed it and whew do those numbers shoot up! Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Moeller, John Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:34 PM To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Step Progression You have a very good point. Maybe we could adjust your TS chart? -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 8:42 AM To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Step Progression One out of a thousand times is not ver likely, but at the same time this is a game. We roll a d20 in a normal session of D&D maybe a hundred times or more. Add in that in Afterlife you roll multiple dice for a single check, so you are rolling maybe 400-700 dice per session, and with manifestation points, it becomes a lot more likely that you will get a a 35. If it stays this rare, one a session, I have no problem with that, I just want to see how it will work. One thing I do like about it it that at the far end it does have very high numbers so just about any huge crushing effect can be modeled on the chart. For example, the difficulty of living through a nuclear blast, or lifting an aircraft carrier. This stuff is pointless for the characters but important for the game to have the ability to model. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Moeller Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 5:19 PM To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (rpggroup) Step Progression You have to remember that getting over 30 on one die happens one out of a thousand times. It's not very likely. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Lundeen To: RPG Group Mailing List Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 3:50 PM Subject: (rpggroup) Step Progression Sorry, I was analyzing your progression, seeing if it is to my liking or not... I am a little critical about how high the numbers jump up at the end of the scale (roll 35+) but I need to digest how it would work with the rest of the system before I can make any type of judgement. BTW, good work! Ron's e-mail address is Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu Dean's e-mail is dpwagner@aol.com Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C074B9.B0ABE140 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D500414219-02012001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>That is what I am thinking, changing the progression to = be a=20 little slower. I pulled the chart out to 100 and graphed it and = whew do=20 those numbers shoot up!</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 = cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Moeller, = John<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup) Step=20 Progression<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D819163219-02012001><FONT face=3DTahoma = color=3D#808000=20 size=3D2><STRONG>You have a very good point. Maybe we could = adjust your TS=20 chart?</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #808000 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert Lundeen=20 [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, = 2001=20 8:42 AM<BR><B>To:</B> rpggroup@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> = RE:=20 (rpggroup) Step Progression<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D550253615-02012001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2><STRONG>One out of a thousand times is not ver likely, but = at the=20 same time this is a game. We roll a d20 in a normal session of = D&D=20 maybe a hundred times or more. Add in that in Afterlife you = roll=20 multiple dice for a single check, so you are rolling maybe 400-700 = dice per=20 session, and with manifestation points, it becomes a lot more likely = that=20 you will get a a 35. If it stays this rare, one a session, I = have no=20 problem with that, I just want to see how it will work. =20 </STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D550253615-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D550253615-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2>One thing I do like about it it that at the far end it does = have very=20 high numbers so just about any huge crushing effect can be modeled = on the=20 chart. For example, the difficulty of living through a nuclear = blast,=20 or lifting an aircraft carrier. This stuff is pointless for = the=20 characters but important for the game to have the ability to=20 model.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 652-2693 cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> John = Moeller<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 29, 2000 5:19 = PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 rpggroup@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: (rpggroup) Step = Progression<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>You have to remember that getting over 30 on = one die=20 happens one out of a thousand times. It's not very=20 likely.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Drlundeen@glyphics.com=20 href=3D"mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com">Robert Lundeen</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Drpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 href=3D"mailto:rpggroup@lists.xmission.com">RPG Group Mailing = List</A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December = 29, 2000=20 3:50 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> (rpggroup) Step=20 Progression</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D800324322-29122000><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2><STRONG>Sorry, I was analyzing your progression, seeing = if it is=20 to my liking or not... I am a little critical about how = high the=20 numbers jump up at the end of the scale (roll 35+) but I need to = digest=20 how it would work with the rest of the system before I can make = any type=20 of judgement. BTW, good work!</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>Ron's e-mail address is <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu">Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu</A></= FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>Dean's e-mail is <A=20 = href=3D"mailto:dpwagner@aol.com">dpwagner@aol.com</A></FONT></STRONG></SP= AN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D800324322-29122000><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 =20 ext. 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 652-2693 cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> = <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BO= DY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C074B9.B0ABE140-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks Date: 02 Jan 2001 12:48:44 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C074BA.575FA940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Techincally the target steps are the target numbers, but who cares. So, for an active use, say I want to shoot you. I pull out my gat and give ya a good blast. My normal TS to hit you is "something", but if you choose to actively resist then you roll your "Dodge" skill vs my "Blast Ya' With Me Gat" skill and whoever gets higher wins. This sounds peachy to me. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Moeller, John Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:32 PM To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks Well, for passive resistance (Gandhi), I don't know. We'll probably have to just create another chart. But for active resistance, just compare steps. Whoever gets more steps wins. That easy. Remember, as you said yourself, there are no target numbers, just target steps. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:20 PM To: RPG Group Mailing List Subject: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks I am looking for advice... I know how a skill check is performed (roll dice, count steps, beat a Target Step (TS)). For an opposed skill check I need a way to have a passive resistance and an active resistance. The passive resistance wold just be a set number equal to the characters "something." I don't know what I want the "something" to be, if I make it the characters attribute then it will be ridiculously easy to do anything to anybody. For example, if you want to shoot the guard or sneak past him the TS would be only 3 or 4, crappy. Plus if I use an attribute this would only rarely improve. Problem One. For problem two. If a want to actively resist something then what do I do? Possibly roll a dice and count steps, the total steps being the new TS? Or, do I want to add it to the attribute score? Attribute A is the passive resistance, plus roll B for the active resistance, equals C the new TS. Help. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C074BA.575FA940 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D610474419-02012001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Techincally the target steps are the target numbers, = but who=20 cares. So, for an active use, say I want to shoot you. = I pull=20 out my gat and give ya a good blast. My normal TS to hit you is=20 "something", but if you choose to actively resist then you roll your = "Dodge"=20 skill vs my "Blast Ya' With Me Gat" skill and whoever gets higher=20 wins. This sounds peachy to me.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D610474419-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 = cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Moeller, = John<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:32 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup) = Afterlife=20 Rules - Opposed Skill Checks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D453412719-02012001><FONT face=3DTahoma = color=3D#808000=20 size=3D2><STRONG>Well, for passive resistance (Gandhi), I don't = know. =20 We'll probably have to just create another = chart.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D453412719-02012001><FONT face=3DTahoma = color=3D#808000=20 size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D453412719-02012001><FONT face=3DTahoma = color=3D#808000=20 size=3D2><STRONG>But for active resistance, just compare steps. = Whoever=20 gets more steps wins. That easy. Remember, as you said = yourself,=20 there are no target numbers, just target = steps.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #808000 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert Lundeen=20 [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, = 2001=20 12:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> RPG Group Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> = (rpggroup)=20 Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2><STRONG>I am=20 looking for advice... I know how a skill check is performed = (roll=20 dice, count steps, beat a Target Step (TS)). For an opposed = skill=20 check I need a way to have a passive resistance and an active=20 resistance. The passive resistance wold just be a set number = equal to=20 the characters "something." I don't know what I want the = "something"=20 to be, if I make it the characters attribute then it will be = ridiculously=20 easy to do anything to anybody. For example, if you want to = shoot the=20 guard or sneak past him the TS would be only 3 or 4, crappy. = Plus=20 if I use an attribute this would only rarely improve. = Problem=20 One.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>For=20 problem two. If a want to actively resist something then what = do I=20 do? Possibly roll a dice and count steps, the total steps = being the=20 new TS? Or, do I want to add it to the attribute score? =20 Attribute A is the passive resistance, plus roll B for the active=20 resistance, equals C the new TS.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>Help.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 652-2693 cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0031_01C074BA.575FA940-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Moeller" <jmoeller@xmission.com> Subject: Re: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks Date: 02 Jan 2001 13:12:36 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C074BD.ACCB00C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also thought of a name for your game: "After Life". Since your character basically is doing his thing after life is over. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Robert Lundeen=20 To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks Techincally the target steps are the target numbers, but who cares. = So, for an active use, say I want to shoot you. I pull out my gat and = give ya a good blast. My normal TS to hit you is "something", but if = you choose to actively resist then you roll your "Dodge" skill vs my = "Blast Ya' With Me Gat" skill and whoever gets higher wins. This sounds = peachy to me. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com = [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Moeller, John Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:32 PM To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks Well, for passive resistance (Gandhi), I don't know. We'll probably = have to just create another chart. But for active resistance, just compare steps. Whoever gets more = steps wins. That easy. Remember, as you said yourself, there are no = target numbers, just target steps. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:20 PM To: RPG Group Mailing List Subject: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks I am looking for advice... I know how a skill check is performed = (roll dice, count steps, beat a Target Step (TS)). For an opposed skill = check I need a way to have a passive resistance and an active = resistance. The passive resistance wold just be a set number equal to = the characters "something." I don't know what I want the "something" to = be, if I make it the characters attribute then it will be ridiculously = easy to do anything to anybody. For example, if you want to shoot the = guard or sneak past him the TS would be only 3 or 4, crappy. Plus if I = use an attribute this would only rarely improve. Problem One. For problem two. If a want to actively resist something then what = do I do? Possibly roll a dice and count steps, the total steps being = the new TS? Or, do I want to add it to the attribute score? Attribute = A is the passive resistance, plus roll B for the active resistance, = equals C the new TS. Help. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C074BD.ACCB00C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I also thought of a name for your game:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>"After Life".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Since your character basically is doing his thing = after life=20 is over.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Drlundeen@glyphics.com = href=3D"mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com">Robert=20 Lundeen</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=3Drpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:rpggroup@lists.xmission.com">rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</= A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, 2001 = 12:48=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup) = Afterlife Rules -=20 Opposed Skill Checks</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D610474419-02012001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2><STRONG>Techincally the target steps are the target numbers, = but who=20 cares. So, for an active use, say I want to shoot = you. I pull=20 out my gat and give ya a good blast. My normal TS to hit you is=20 "something", but if you choose to actively resist then you roll your = "Dodge"=20 skill vs my "Blast Ya' With Me Gat" skill and whoever gets higher = wins. This sounds peachy to me.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D610474419-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 652-2693 cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> = Moeller,=20 John<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:32 = PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup) = Afterlife=20 Rules - Opposed Skill Checks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D453412719-02012001><FONT face=3DTahoma = color=3D#808000=20 size=3D2><STRONG>Well, for passive resistance (Gandhi), I don't = know. =20 We'll probably have to just create another=20 chart.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D453412719-02012001><FONT face=3DTahoma = color=3D#808000=20 size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D453412719-02012001><FONT face=3DTahoma = color=3D#808000=20 size=3D2><STRONG>But for active resistance, just compare = steps. Whoever=20 gets more steps wins. That easy. Remember, as you said = yourself,=20 there are no target numbers, just target = steps.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #808000 = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert Lundeen = [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January = 02, 2001=20 12:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> RPG Group Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20 (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill = Checks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2><STRONG>I am=20 looking for advice... I know how a skill check is performed = (roll=20 dice, count steps, beat a Target Step (TS)). For an opposed = skill=20 check I need a way to have a passive resistance and an active=20 resistance. The passive resistance wold just be a set number = equal=20 to the characters "something." I don't know what I want the=20 "something" to be, if I make it the characters attribute then it = will be=20 ridiculously easy to do anything to anybody. For example, if = you=20 want to shoot the guard or sneak past him the TS would be only 3 = or 4,=20 crappy. Plus if I use an attribute this would only = rarely=20 improve. Problem One.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>For=20 problem two. If a want to actively resist something then = what do I=20 do? Possibly roll a dice and count steps, the total steps = being the=20 new TS? Or, do I want to add it to the attribute = score? =20 Attribute A is the passive resistance, plus roll B for the active=20 resistance, equals C the new TS.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2>Help.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 =20 ext. 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 652-2693 cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> = <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C074BD.ACCB00C0-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks Date: 02 Jan 2001 13:16:43 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C074BE.40708CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So your grand idea is to add in a space? It is visionary! It is glorious! It melts in the mouth and not on the hand! Ok, sounds great to me. I christen thee "After Life"! Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of John Moeller Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 1:13 PM To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com Subject: Re: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks I also thought of a name for your game: "After Life". Since your character basically is doing his thing after life is over. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Lundeen To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:48 PM Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks Techincally the target steps are the target numbers, but who cares. So, for an active use, say I want to shoot you. I pull out my gat and give ya a good blast. My normal TS to hit you is "something", but if you choose to actively resist then you roll your "Dodge" skill vs my "Blast Ya' With Me Gat" skill and whoever gets higher wins. This sounds peachy to me. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Moeller, John Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:32 PM To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks Well, for passive resistance (Gandhi), I don't know. We'll probably have to just create another chart. But for active resistance, just compare steps. Whoever gets more steps wins. That easy. Remember, as you said yourself, there are no target numbers, just target steps. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:20 PM To: RPG Group Mailing List Subject: (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill Checks I am looking for advice... I know how a skill check is performed (roll dice, count steps, beat a Target Step (TS)). For an opposed skill check I need a way to have a passive resistance and an active resistance. The passive resistance wold just be a set number equal to the characters "something." I don't know what I want the "something" to be, if I make it the characters attribute then it will be ridiculously easy to do anything to anybody. For example, if you want to shoot the guard or sneak past him the TS would be only 3 or 4, crappy. Plus if I use an attribute this would only rarely improve. Problem One. For problem two. If a want to actively resist something then what do I do? Possibly roll a dice and count steps, the total steps being the new TS? Or, do I want to add it to the attribute score? Attribute A is the passive resistance, plus roll B for the active resistance, equals C the new TS. Help. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C074BE.40708CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=3D190521420-02012001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>So your grand idea is to add in a space? It is=20 visionary! It is glorious! It melts in the mouth and not on = the=20 hand! Ok, sounds great to me. I christen thee "After=20 Life"!</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 = cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> John=20 Moeller<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, 2001 1:13 = PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 rpggroup@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: (rpggroup) = Afterlife Rules=20 - Opposed Skill Checks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>I also thought of a name for your = game:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>"After Life".</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Since your character basically is doing his thing = after life=20 is over.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B>=20 <A title=3Drlundeen@glyphics.com = href=3D"mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com">Robert=20 Lundeen</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20 title=3Drpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 = href=3D"mailto:rpggroup@lists.xmission.com">rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</= A>=20 </DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, = 2001 12:48=20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup) = Afterlife Rules=20 - Opposed Skill Checks</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D610474419-02012001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2><STRONG>Techincally the target steps are the target = numbers, but who=20 cares. So, for an active use, say I want to shoot = you. I=20 pull out my gat and give ya a good blast. My normal TS to hit = you is=20 "something", but if you choose to actively resist then you roll your = "Dodge"=20 skill vs my "Blast Ya' With Me Gat" skill and whoever gets = higher=20 wins. This sounds peachy to me.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D610474419-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 652-2693 cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> = Moeller,=20 John<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:32 = PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup) = Afterlife=20 Rules - Opposed Skill Checks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D453412719-02012001><FONT face=3DTahoma = color=3D#808000=20 size=3D2><STRONG>Well, for passive resistance (Gandhi), I don't = know. =20 We'll probably have to just create another=20 chart.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D453412719-02012001><FONT face=3DTahoma = color=3D#808000=20 size=3D2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D453412719-02012001><FONT face=3DTahoma = color=3D#808000=20 size=3D2><STRONG>But for active resistance, just compare = steps. =20 Whoever gets more steps wins. That easy. Remember, as = you said=20 yourself, there are no target numbers, just target=20 steps.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #808000 = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" = size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert = Lundeen=20 [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January = 02, 2001=20 12:20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> RPG Group Mailing List<BR><B>Subject:</B> = (rpggroup) Afterlife Rules - Opposed Skill = Checks<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2><STRONG>I am=20 looking for advice... I know how a skill check is = performed (roll=20 dice, count steps, beat a Target Step (TS)). For an = opposed skill=20 check I need a way to have a passive resistance and an active=20 resistance. The passive resistance wold just be a set = number equal=20 to the characters "something." I don't know what I want = the=20 "something" to be, if I make it the characters attribute then it = will be=20 ridiculously easy to do anything to anybody. For example, = if you=20 want to shoot the guard or sneak past him the TS would be only 3 = or 4,=20 crappy. Plus if I use an attribute this would only = rarely=20 improve. Problem One.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>For=20 problem two. If a want to actively resist something then = what do I=20 do? Possibly roll a dice and count steps, the total steps = being=20 the new TS? Or, do I want to add it to the attribute = score? =20 Attribute A is the passive resistance, plus roll B for the = active=20 resistance, equals C the new TS.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D780441219-02012001><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial = size=3D2>Help.</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 =20 ext. 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 652-2693 cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> = <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BO= DY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C074BE.40708CA0-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Lundeen <Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu> Subject: (rpggroup) Did I win the Passive Step contest? Date: 05 Jan 2001 02:42:55 -0700 (MST) So, my idea for a TS for a Passive Resistance was to add the Skill rank and Attribute score together (A guard has Notice of 4, Perception of 3, equals TS of 7). Bob, you were going to ponder this. . .does it still sound good? Ron <===========================================================> < > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > < well, I have others." > < --Groucho Marx > < > <===========================================================> - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Lundeen <Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu> Subject: (rpggroup) Name Game Date: 05 Jan 2001 02:44:42 -0700 (MST) Oh, you mean the name "After Life" was John's idea? I didn't know this. I agree it is great. Robert, off with you! John, you're my brother now. Welcome to the family. Ron <===========================================================> < > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > < well, I have others." > < --Groucho Marx > < > <===========================================================> - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Name Game Date: 05 Jan 2001 07:58:33 -0700 Hay, he just added the space! I want some credit too! I added that litt= le star thing in the middle... nobody likes me. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500=A0 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ron Lundeen > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:45 AM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (rpggroup) Name Game > > > > Oh, you mean the name "After Life" was John's idea? I didn't know > this. I agree it is great. Robert, off with you! John, you're my > brother now. Welcome to the family. > > Ron > > <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> > < > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > < well, I have others." > > < --Groucho Marx > > < > > <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Did I win the Passive Step contest? Date: 05 Jan 2001 07:59:10 -0700 Yes, you win the passive step contest, and the prize is... A kick in the nuts! Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500=A0 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ron Lundeen > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:43 AM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (rpggroup) Did I win the Passive Step contest? > > > > So, my idea for a TS for a Passive Resistance was to add the Skill > rank and Attribute score together (A guard has Notice of 4, Perception = of > 3, equals TS of 7). Bob, you were going to ponder this. . .does it sti= ll > sound good? > > Ron > > <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> > < > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > < well, I have others." > > < --Groucho Marx > > < > > <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Moeller, John" <jmoeller@enterasys.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Name Game Date: 05 Jan 2001 10:30:37 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0772C.7B69F2C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You know, it's taken a long time to be recognized... it takes hard work and dedication to oust someone from the Lundeen Family. I'd like to thank the Academy... John Moeller Firmware Engineer Salt Lake City Firmware jmoeller@enterasys.com www.enterasys.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Lundeen [mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu] > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:45 AM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (rpggroup) Name Game > > > > Oh, you mean the name "After Life" was John's idea? I didn't know > this. I agree it is great. Robert, off with you! John, you're my > brother now. Welcome to the family. > > Ron > > <===========================================================> > < > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > < well, I have others." > > < --Groucho Marx > > < > > <===========================================================> > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0772C.7B69F2C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>RE: (rpggroup) Name Game</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You know, it's taken a long time to be recognized... = it takes hard work and dedication to oust someone from the Lundeen = Family. I'd like to thank the Academy...</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Moeller</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Firmware Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Salt Lake City Firmware</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>jmoeller@enterasys.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>www.enterasys.com</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Ron Lundeen [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu">mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.e= du</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:45 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: (rpggroup) Name Game</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Oh, you mean the name = "After Life" was John's idea? I didn't know</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> this. I agree it is great. Robert, = off with you! John, you're my</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> brother now. Welcome to the = family.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Ron</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; = ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> < "Those are my principles, = and if you don't like them... ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> < well, I have = others." = ; = ; = ; ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; --Groucho = Marx &n= bsp; ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; = ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email = to "majordomo@xmission.com"</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in = the body of the message.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> For information on digests or retrieving = files and old messages</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> send "help" to the same = address. Do not use quotes in your</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> message.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0772C.7B69F2C2-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Did I win the Passive Step contest? Date: 05 Jan 2001 10:37:40 -0700 And with the completion of the passive resistance part of chapter 6, it i= s now updated and done. Which means that you guys will get a copy and have= to edit it. I prefer that it is edited with the Delphi Technique (I learned= a new term!), but it is up to you guys. The Delphi Technique is where you take the digital copy of the document a= nd make changes, highlighted what you add and crossing out what you take awa= y. Like John did the first time. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500=A0 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ron Lundeen > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 2:43 AM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: (rpggroup) Did I win the Passive Step contest? > > > > So, my idea for a TS for a Passive Resistance was to add the Skill > rank and Attribute score together (A guard has Notice of 4, Perception = of > 3, equals TS of 7). Bob, you were going to ponder this. . .does it sti= ll > sound good? > > Ron > > <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> > < > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > < well, I have others." > > < --Groucho Marx > > < > > <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: demmpw@xmission.com Subject: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 08 Jan 2001 19:34:17 -0700 <color><param>0100,0100,0100</param>To all members of the Lundeen family, current and former, and list members: Anybody else heard of the soon-to-be online RPG <italic>Dawn</italic>? My anarchist buddy sent me some info on it, and it looks kinda neat ... but I don't know much about that whole <italic>Everquest </italic>type of scene. The world itself is designed to be very unstructured and built from the ground up rather than heavily predesigned. They're seeking beta testers if anyone is interested (tell Pat ;-). Anyway, the link is http://glitchless.com/dawn.html. Let me know what you think if you check it out. deb - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Lundeen <Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu> Subject: Re: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 09 Jan 2001 01:56:47 -0700 (MST) I don't know about Dawn, but Everquest has been a really loose RPG system that has been around for a while. I've never run across anyone who has actually played it, which means one of two things: 1) It's crap. 2) It's what's known as a "benchmark" game, one which everyone recognizes as great, and lots of people own, but no one actually plays (like Amber and, I've heard, Continuum). Generally, I'm skeptical about anyone attempting to resurrect an old RPG system, especially one that isn't so popular. Anyone for "RUS: Second Edition?" But I haven't actually looked at the site yet. Ron <===========================================================> < > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > < well, I have others." > < --Groucho Marx > < > <===========================================================> - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Moeller, John" <jmoeller@enterasys.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 09 Jan 2001 10:02:38 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A4D.3B487A50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, Ron, I've talked to two people who play Everquest: 1. My cousin Erika's husband, Dave, who stays up until four in the morning playing it. 2. A guy at work who _had_ to stop playing because he was up until four in the morning. Obviously, it's a fun game, and I was considering buying it until I heard the two reports. After all, I can't honestly leave early from a role-playing session if I am up playing Everquest every other day of the week. Additionally, let's explore why you haven't talked to anyone who has played: 1. You work at UPS. 2. You learn with graduate students (all the computer geeks have graduated and found jobs before your level of education) 3. You play with people who like to roleplay around a table. Now, I'm not saying that people in those positions can't play Everquest, but it has the nickname "Evercrack" for a reason. Also, there's about six billion other humans who you haven't talked to. As far as anyone resurrecting a system, role-playing hasn't been around long enough for a successful resurrection. Swing dancing took 50 years to come back (albeit as a short fad). Dead RPGs have only been around 20 years. P.S. I don't comprehend that last thing you mentioned in the last paragraph. The thing in quotes? It looks like gibberish. John Moeller Firmware Engineer Salt Lake City Firmware jmoeller@enterasys.com www.enterasys.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Lundeen [mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:57 AM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (rpggroup) Dawn > > > > I don't know about Dawn, but Everquest has been a really loose RPG > system that has been around for a while. I've never run > across anyone who > has actually played it, which means one of two things: > > 1) It's crap. > 2) It's what's known as a "benchmark" game, one which > everyone recognizes > as great, and lots of people own, but no one actually plays > (like Amber > and, I've heard, Continuum). > > Generally, I'm skeptical about anyone attempting to > resurrect an old > RPG system, especially one that isn't so popular. Anyone for > "RUS: Second > Edition?" > But I haven't actually looked at the site yet. > > > Ron > > <===========================================================> > < > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > < well, I have others." > > < --Groucho Marx > > < > > <===========================================================> > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A4D.3B487A50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Actually, Ron, I've talked to two people who play = Everquest:</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1. My cousin Erika's husband, Dave, who stays = up until four in the morning playing it.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2. A guy at work who _had_ to stop playing = because he was up until four in the morning.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Obviously, it's a fun game, and I was considering = buying it until I heard the two reports. After all, I can't = honestly leave early from a role-playing session if I am up playing = Everquest every other day of the week.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Additionally, let's explore why you haven't talked to = anyone who has played:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>1. You work at UPS.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2. You learn with graduate students (all the = computer geeks have graduated and found jobs before your level of = education)</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>3. You play with people who like to roleplay = around a table.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Now, I'm not saying that people in those positions = can't play Everquest, but it has the nickname "Evercrack" for = a reason.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Also, there's about six billion other humans who you = haven't talked to.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>As far as anyone resurrecting a system, role-playing = hasn't been around long enough for a successful resurrection. = Swing dancing took 50 years to come back (albeit as a short fad). = Dead RPGs have only been around 20 years.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>P.S. I don't comprehend that last thing you = mentioned in the last paragraph. The thing in quotes? It = looks like gibberish.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Moeller</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Firmware Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Salt Lake City Firmware</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>jmoeller@enterasys.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>www.enterasys.com</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Ron Lundeen [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu">mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.e= du</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:57 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Re: (rpggroup) Dawn</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I don't know about = Dawn, but Everquest has been a really loose RPG</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> system that has been around for a while. = I've never run </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> across anyone who</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> has actually played it, which means one of two = things:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 1) It's crap.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 2) It's what's known as a "benchmark" = game, one which </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> everyone recognizes</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> as great, and lots of people own, but no one = actually plays </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (like Amber</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> and, I've heard, Continuum).</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Generally, I'm = skeptical about anyone attempting to </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> resurrect an old</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> RPG system, especially one that isn't so = popular. Anyone for </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> "RUS: Second</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Edition?"</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> But I haven't = actually looked at the site yet.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Ron</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; = ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> < "Those are my principles, = and if you don't like them... ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> < well, I have = others." = ; = ; = ; ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; --Groucho = Marx &n= bsp; ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; = ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email = to "majordomo@xmission.com"</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in = the body of the message.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> For information on digests or retrieving = files and old messages</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> send "help" to the same = address. Do not use quotes in your</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> message.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A4D.3B487A50-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 09 Jan 2001 08:37:58 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C07A17.781432C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: (rpggroup) DawnWell now, I don't know anything about Everquest. But I did go to the website and the game Dawn is not a role-paying game anyway. It is a internet based game like Ultima Online or that Diablo thing. They talk about how cool it is and how it it LIKE a role-playing game, but as far as I see it in the end you are just playing on the computer. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Moeller, John Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:03 AM To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Actually, Ron, I've talked to two people who play Everquest: 1. My cousin Erika's husband, Dave, who stays up until four in the morning playing it. 2. A guy at work who _had_ to stop playing because he was up until four in the morning. Obviously, it's a fun game, and I was considering buying it until I heard the two reports. After all, I can't honestly leave early from a role-playing session if I am up playing Everquest every other day of the week. Additionally, let's explore why you haven't talked to anyone who has played: 1. You work at UPS. 2. You learn with graduate students (all the computer geeks have graduated and found jobs before your level of education) 3. You play with people who like to roleplay around a table. Now, I'm not saying that people in those positions can't play Everquest, but it has the nickname "Evercrack" for a reason. Also, there's about six billion other humans who you haven't talked to. As far as anyone resurrecting a system, role-playing hasn't been around long enough for a successful resurrection. Swing dancing took 50 years to come back (albeit as a short fad). Dead RPGs have only been around 20 years. P.S. I don't comprehend that last thing you mentioned in the last paragraph. The thing in quotes? It looks like gibberish. John Moeller Firmware Engineer Salt Lake City Firmware jmoeller@enterasys.com www.enterasys.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Lundeen [mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:57 AM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (rpggroup) Dawn > > > > I don't know about Dawn, but Everquest has been a really loose RPG > system that has been around for a while. I've never run > across anyone who > has actually played it, which means one of two things: > > 1) It's crap. > 2) It's what's known as a "benchmark" game, one which > everyone recognizes > as great, and lots of people own, but no one actually plays > (like Amber > and, I've heard, Continuum). > > Generally, I'm skeptical about anyone attempting to > resurrect an old > RPG system, especially one that isn't so popular. Anyone for > "RUS: Second > Edition?" > But I haven't actually looked at the site yet. > > > Ron > > <===========================================================> > < > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > < well, I have others." > > < --Groucho Marx > > < > > <===========================================================> > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C07A17.781432C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D500123515-09012001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Well now, I don't know anything about Everquest. = But I did=20 go to the website and the game Dawn is not a role-paying game = anyway. It=20 is a internet based game like Ultima Online or that Diablo thing. = They=20 talk about how cool it is and how it it LIKE a role-playing game, but as = far as=20 I see it in the end you are just playing on the=20 computer.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 = cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Moeller, = John<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 09, 2001 8:03 AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup)=20 Dawn<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <P><FONT size=3D2>Actually, Ron, I've talked to two people who play=20 Everquest:</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3D2>1. My cousin Erika's husband, Dave, who stays = up until=20 four in the morning playing it.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>2. A = guy at work=20 who _had_ to stop playing because he was up until four in the = morning.</FONT>=20 </P> <P><FONT size=3D2>Obviously, it's a fun game, and I was considering = buying it=20 until I heard the two reports. After all, I can't honestly leave = early=20 from a role-playing session if I am up playing Everquest every other = day of=20 the week.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3D2>Additionally, let's explore why you haven't talked = to anyone=20 who has played:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>1. You work at = UPS.</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>2. You learn with graduate students (all the = computer=20 geeks have graduated and found jobs before your level of = education)</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3D2>3. You play with people who like to roleplay = around a=20 table.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3D2>Now, I'm not saying that people in those positions = can't play=20 Everquest, but it has the nickname "Evercrack" for a = reason.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3D2>Also, there's about six billion other humans who you = haven't=20 talked to.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3D2>As far as anyone resurrecting a system, role-playing = hasn't=20 been around long enough for a successful resurrection. Swing = dancing=20 took 50 years to come back (albeit as a short fad). Dead RPGs = have only=20 been around 20 years.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3D2>P.S. I don't comprehend that last thing you = mentioned in=20 the last paragraph. The thing in quotes? It looks like=20 gibberish.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3D2>John Moeller</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Firmware = Engineer</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>Salt Lake City Firmware</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3D2>jmoeller@enterasys.com</FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>www.enterasys.com</FONT> </P><BR> <P><FONT size=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 From: Ron Lundeen [<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu">mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.ed= u</A>]</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:57 AM</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 Subject: Re: (rpggroup) Dawn</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> = </FONT><BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> I don't know about Dawn, but = Everquest has=20 been a really loose RPG</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> system that has = been=20 around for a while. I've never run </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>> across=20 anyone who</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> has actually played it, = which means=20 one of two things:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 1) It's crap.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> 2) It's what's known as a = "benchmark" game, one which </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> everyone=20 recognizes</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> as great, and lots of people = own, but=20 no one actually plays </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> (like = Amber</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> and, I've heard, Continuum).</FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> = Generally,=20 I'm skeptical about anyone attempting to </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 resurrect an old</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> RPG system, especially = one that=20 isn't so popular. Anyone for </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> = "RUS:=20 Second</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Edition?"</FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> But I haven't actually = looked at the=20 site yet.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> =20 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> = Ron</FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>>=20 = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>>=20 = < &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> < "Those are my = principles,=20 and if you don't like them... ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>>=20 < well, I have=20 = others." = ; = =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>>=20 = < &nb= sp; &nbs= p; =20 --Groucho=20 = Marx &nb= sp; =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>>=20 = < &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>>=20 = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> = </FONT><BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> -</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> = To=20 unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to = "majordomo@xmission.com"</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body = of the=20 message.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> For information on = digests or=20 retrieving files and old messages</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> = send=20 "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> message.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>>=20 </FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C07A17.781432C0-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Lundeen <Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 09 Jan 2001 10:46:44 -0700 (MST) Hmph! Well, I guess seven years of Gen Con attendance means I don't know _anyone_ in the MUD/MUSH roleplaying circles. Hmph! Kids these days, no respect for their elders. . . Ron <===========================================================> < > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > < well, I have others." > < --Groucho Marx > < > <===========================================================> - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Moeller, John" <jmoeller@enterasys.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 09 Jan 2001 13:18:22 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A68.93836C28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I _cannot_ believe that no one at GenCon played EverQuest. John Moeller Firmware Engineer Salt Lake City Firmware jmoeller@enterasys.com www.enterasys.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Lundeen [mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 10:47 AM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn > > > > Hmph! Well, I guess seven years of Gen Con attendance > means I don't > know _anyone_ in the MUD/MUSH roleplaying circles. Hmph! Kids these > days, no respect for their elders. . . > > Ron > > <===========================================================> > < > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > < well, I have others." > > < --Groucho Marx > > < > > <===========================================================> > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A68.93836C28 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I _cannot_ believe that no one at GenCon played = EverQuest.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Moeller</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Firmware Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Salt Lake City Firmware</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>jmoeller@enterasys.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>www.enterasys.com</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Ron Lundeen [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu">mailto:Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.e= du</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 10:47 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Hmph! Well, I = guess seven years of Gen Con attendance </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> means I don't</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> know _anyone_ in the MUD/MUSH roleplaying = circles. Hmph! Kids these</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> days, no respect for their elders. . . </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Ron</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; = ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> < "Those are my principles, = and if you don't like them... ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> < well, I have = others." = ; = ; = ; ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; --Groucho = Marx &n= bsp; ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; = ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email = to "majordomo@xmission.com"</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in = the body of the message.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> For information on digests or retrieving = files and old messages</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> send "help" to the same = address. Do not use quotes in your</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> message.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A68.93836C28-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Lundeen <Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 09 Jan 2001 12:25:12 -0700 (MST) *shrug* no one ever i ever talked to said anything about it. Ron <===========================================================> < > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > < well, I have others." > < --Groucho Marx > < > <===========================================================> - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 09 Jan 2001 13:00:07 -0700 That is because the people YOU talked to a GenCon are the lame people, Jo= hn talked to the cool people. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500=A0 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ron Lundeen > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:25 PM > To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn > > > > *shrug* no one ever i ever talked to said anything about it. > > Ron > > <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> > < > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > < well, I have others." > > < --Groucho Marx > > < > > <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Moeller, John" <jmoeller@enterasys.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 09 Jan 2001 15:12:58 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A78.95DAAF58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess I am getting a little rabid about this, but all I'm saying is = to not dismiss online games outright. John Moeller Firmware Engineer Salt Lake City Firmware jmoeller@enterasys.com www.enterasys.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:00 PM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn >=20 >=20 > That is because the people YOU talked to a GenCon are the=20 > lame people, John > talked to the cool people. >=20 > Robert Lundeen > Billing/Collections Manager > Glyphics Communications > (801) 365-0500=A0 ext. 1269 > (801) 652-2693 cell phone >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ron Lundeen > > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:25 PM > > To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' > > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn > > > > > > > > *shrug* no one ever i ever talked to said anything about it. > > > > Ron > > > > = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> > > < > > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > > < well, I have others." > > > < --Groucho Marx > > > < > > > = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D> > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to=20 > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > > message. > > >=20 >=20 > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to = "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. >=20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A78.95DAAF58 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I guess I am getting a little rabid about this, but = all I'm saying is to not dismiss online games outright.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Moeller</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Firmware Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Salt Lake City Firmware</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>jmoeller@enterasys.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>www.enterasys.com</FONT> </P> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Robert Lundeen [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com">mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com</A>]<= /FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:00 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> That is because the people YOU talked to a = GenCon are the </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> lame people, John</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> talked to the cool people.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Robert Lundeen</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Billing/Collections Manager</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Glyphics Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (801) 365-0500=A0 ext. 1269</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> (801) 652-2693 cell phone</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > From: = owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com">mailto:owner-rpggroup@= lists.xmission.com</A>]On Behalf Of Ron Lundeen</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:25 = PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > *shrug* no = one ever i ever talked to said anything about it.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Ron</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; = ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > < "Those are my = principles, and if you don't like them... ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > < well, I have = others." = ; = ; = ; ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; --Groucho = Marx &n= bsp; ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > = < &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; &n= bsp; = ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > -</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an = email to </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> "majordomo@xmission.com"</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > with "unsubscribe = rpggroup" in the body of the message.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > For information on digests or = retrieving files and old messages</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > send "help" to the same = address. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 09 Jan 2001 13:34:22 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C07A40.E0653A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: (rpggroup) DawnThe problem I have with online games is not that they exist or anything, I have no hate for them. I just don't like the terms they use for them, and they do the same thing in home computer games. This is an RPG computer game, this is an RPG on-line computer game... Neither of them are RPGs. Just using the base definition of RPG, "Role-Playing Game", you are not Role Playing when you are playing a computer game. You are role playing when you play D&D, or at one of those lame work training seminars. In a computer game or an on-line computer game you are just following the story that is set forward for you. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Moeller, John Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:13 PM To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn I guess I am getting a little rabid about this, but all I'm saying is to not dismiss online games outright. John Moeller Firmware Engineer Salt Lake City Firmware jmoeller@enterasys.com www.enterasys.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:00 PM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn > > > That is because the people YOU talked to a GenCon are the > lame people, John > talked to the cool people. > > Robert Lundeen > Billing/Collections Manager > Glyphics Communications > (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 > (801) 652-2693 cell phone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ron Lundeen > > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:25 PM > > To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' > > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn > > > > > > > > *shrug* no one ever i ever talked to said anything about it. > > > > Ron > > > > <===========================================================> > > < > > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > > < well, I have others." > > > < --Groucho Marx > > > < > > > <===========================================================> > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > > message. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C07A40.E0653A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D940383020-09012001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>The problem I have with online games is not that they = exist or=20 anything, I have no hate for them. I just don't like the terms = they use=20 for them, and they do the same thing in home computer games. This = is an=20 RPG computer game, this is an RPG on-line computer game... Neither = of them=20 are RPGs. Just using the base definition of RPG, "Role-Playing = Game", you=20 are not Role Playing when you are playing a computer game. You are = role=20 playing when you play D&D, or at one of those lame work training=20 seminars. In a computer game or an on-line computer game you are = just=20 following the story that is set forward for = you.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 = cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Moeller, = John<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup)=20 Dawn<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <P><FONT size=3D2>I guess I am getting a little rabid about this, but = all I'm=20 saying is to not dismiss online games outright.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3D2>John Moeller</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Firmware = Engineer</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>Salt Lake City Firmware</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3D2>jmoeller@enterasys.com</FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>www.enterasys.com</FONT> </P><BR> <P><FONT size=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 From: Robert Lundeen [<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com">mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com</A>]</= FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:00 PM</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> = </FONT><BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> That is because the = people YOU talked=20 to a GenCon are the </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> lame people, = John</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> talked to the cool people.</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> Robert Lundeen</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 Billing/Collections Manager</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Glyphics=20 Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> (801) 365-0500 = ext.=20 1269</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> (801) 652-2693 cell phone</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>> >=20 -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > From:=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > = [<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com">mailto:owner-rpggroup@l= ists.xmission.com</A>]On=20 Behalf Of Ron Lundeen</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > Sent: = Tuesday, January=20 09, 2001 12:25 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > To:=20 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > = (rpggroup) Dawn</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 > *shrug* no one ever i ever talked = to said=20 anything about it.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> ></FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> > Ron</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> ></FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> >=20 = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> >=20 = < &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > < "Those are = my=20 principles, and if you don't like them... ></FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 > < well, I have=20 = others." = ; = =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> >=20 = < &nb= sp; &nbs= p; =20 --Groucho=20 = Marx &nb= sp; =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> >=20 = < &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> >=20 = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> = ></FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > -</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to=20 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> "majordomo@xmission.com"</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of = the=20 message.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > For information on = digests or=20 retrieving files and old messages</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> = > send=20 "help" to the same address. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Moeller, John" <jmoeller@enterasys.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 09 Jan 2001 16:00:52 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A7F.468287EE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Actually, with everquest (at least the online part of it), you interact with other characters, you design your own character, you can produce items and sell them, yadda yadda. From what I hear it is fairly sophisticated and is actually an RPG (by your definition). Really, a game is an RPG if you can make the decisions your character makes. In a computer, the number of possibilites is more limited, but that is just a matter of technology. -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:34 PM The problem I have with online games is not that they exist or anything, I have no hate for them. I just don't like the terms they use for them, and they do the same thing in home computer games. This is an RPG computer game, this is an RPG on-line computer game... Neither of them are RPGs. Just using the base definition of RPG, "Role-Playing Game", you are not Role Playing when you are playing a computer game. You are role playing when you play D&D, or at one of those lame work training seminars. In a computer game or an on-line computer game you are just following the story that is set forward for you. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Moeller, John Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:13 PM I guess I am getting a little rabid about this, but all I'm saying is to not dismiss online games outright. John Moeller Firmware Engineer Salt Lake City Firmware jmoeller@enterasys.com www.enterasys.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lundeen [ mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com <mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com> ] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:00 PM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn > > > That is because the people YOU talked to a GenCon are the > lame people, John > talked to the cool people. > > Robert Lundeen > Billing/Collections Manager > Glyphics Communications > (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 > (801) 652-2693 cell phone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > > [ mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com <mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com> ]On Behalf Of Ron Lundeen > > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:25 PM > > To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' > > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn > > > > > > > > *shrug* no one ever i ever talked to said anything about it. > > > > Ron > > > > <===========================================================> > > < > > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > > < well, I have others." > > > < --Groucho Marx > > > < > > > <===========================================================> > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > > message. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C07A7F.468287EE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <TITLE>RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=Tahoma color=#808000 size=2><SPAN class=877024820-09012001>Actually, with everquest (at least the online part of it), you interact with other characters, you design your own character, you can produce items and sell them, yadda yadda. From what I hear it is fairly sophisticated and is actually an RPG (by your definition).</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Tahoma color=#808000 size=2><SPAN class=877024820-09012001></SPAN></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Tahoma color=#808000 size=2><SPAN class=877024820-09012001>Really, a game is an RPG if you can make the decisions your character makes. In a computer, the number of possibilites is more limited, but that is just a matter of technology.</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #808000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B> rpggroup@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup) Dawn<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=940383020-09012001><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>The problem I have with online games is not that they exist or anything, I have no hate for them. I just don't like the terms they use for them, and they do the same thing in home computer games. This is an RPG computer game, this is an RPG on-line computer game... Neither of them are RPGs. Just using the base definition of RPG, "Role-Playing Game", you are not Role Playing when you are playing a computer game. You are role playing when you play D&D, or at one of those lame work training seminars. In a computer game or an on-line computer game you are just following the story that is set forward for you.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Robert Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Billing/Collections Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Glyphics Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>(801) 365-0500 ext. 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 cell phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Moeller, John<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:13 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup) Dawn<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <P><FONT size=2>I guess I am getting a little rabid about this, but all I'm saying is to not dismiss online games outright.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>John Moeller</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Firmware Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Salt Lake City Firmware</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>jmoeller@enterasys.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>www.enterasys.com</FONT> </P><BR> <P><FONT size=2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> From: Robert Lundeen [<A href="mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com">mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:00 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> That is because the people YOU talked to a GenCon are the </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> lame people, John</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> talked to the cool people.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> Robert Lundeen</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> Billing/Collections Manager</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> Glyphics Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> (801) 652-2693 cell phone</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> > -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > [<A href="mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com">mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</A>]On Behalf Of Ron Lundeen</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:25 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > *shrug* no one ever i ever talked to said anything about it.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > Ron</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > <===========================================================></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > < ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > < well, I have others." ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > < --Groucho Marx ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > < ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > <===========================================================></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > -</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>> "majordomo@xmission.com"</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>> > send "help" to the same address. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Date: 09 Jan 2001 14:09:31 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C07A45.C9475040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: (rpggroup) DawnAs I said Everway I cannot vote on because I know nothing about it. But being able to have my character in Might and Magic turn to the left when I hit the arrow key does not make it a role playing game. And by that same logic the online Diablo and the online ultimas were just like that, very little interaction (like playing diablo over the phone). If this game boasts a great degree if interaction that I think it could call itself a RPG but I have not seen one yet. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Moeller, John Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:01 PM To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn Actually, with everquest (at least the online part of it), you interact with other characters, you design your own character, you can produce items and sell them, yadda yadda. From what I hear it is fairly sophisticated and is actually an RPG (by your definition). Really, a game is an RPG if you can make the decisions your character makes. In a computer, the number of possibilites is more limited, but that is just a matter of technology. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:34 PM To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn The problem I have with online games is not that they exist or anything, I have no hate for them. I just don't like the terms they use for them, and they do the same thing in home computer games. This is an RPG computer game, this is an RPG on-line computer game... Neither of them are RPGs. Just using the base definition of RPG, "Role-Playing Game", you are not Role Playing when you are playing a computer game. You are role playing when you play D&D, or at one of those lame work training seminars. In a computer game or an on-line computer game you are just following the story that is set forward for you. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone -----Original Message----- From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Moeller, John Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:13 PM To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn I guess I am getting a little rabid about this, but all I'm saying is to not dismiss online games outright. John Moeller Firmware Engineer Salt Lake City Firmware jmoeller@enterasys.com www.enterasys.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:00 PM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn > > > That is because the people YOU talked to a GenCon are the > lame people, John > talked to the cool people. > > Robert Lundeen > Billing/Collections Manager > Glyphics Communications > (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 > (801) 652-2693 cell phone > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > > [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Ron Lundeen > > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 12:25 PM > > To: 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com' > > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn > > > > > > > > *shrug* no one ever i ever talked to said anything about it. > > > > Ron > > > > <===========================================================> > > < > > > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > > > < well, I have others." > > > < --Groucho Marx > > > < > > > <===========================================================> > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to > "majordomo@xmission.com" > > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > > message. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C07A45.C9475040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D880330621-09012001><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>As I said Everway I cannot vote on because I know = nothing about=20 it. But being able to have my character in Might and Magic turn to = the=20 left when I hit the arrow key does not make it a role playing = game. And by=20 that same logic the online Diablo and the online ultimas were just like = that,=20 very little interaction (like playing diablo over the phone). If = this game=20 boasts a great degree if interaction that I think it could call itself=20 a RPG but I have not seen one yet.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 = cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> Moeller, = John<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 09, 2001 2:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup)=20 Dawn<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG><STRONG><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#808000 = size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D877024820-09012001>Actually, with everquest (at least the = online part of=20 it), you interact with other characters, you design your own = character, you=20 can produce items and sell them, yadda yadda. From what I hear = it is=20 fairly sophisticated and is actually an RPG (by your=20 definition).</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#808000 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D877024820-09012001></SPAN></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DTahoma color=3D#808000 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D877024820-09012001>Really, a game is an RPG if you can make = the=20 decisions your character makes. In a computer, the number of=20 possibilites is more limited, but that is just a matter of=20 technology.</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #808000 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert Lundeen=20 [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 09, = 2001=20 1:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B> rpggroup@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> = RE:=20 (rpggroup) Dawn<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D940383020-09012001><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2><STRONG>The problem I have with online games is not that = they exist=20 or anything, I have no hate for them. I just don't like the = terms they=20 use for them, and they do the same thing in home computer = games. This=20 is an RPG computer game, this is an RPG on-line computer = game... =20 Neither of them are RPGs. Just using the base definition of = RPG,=20 "Role-Playing Game", you are not Role Playing when you are playing a = computer game. You are role playing when you play D&D, or = at one=20 of those lame work training seminars. In a computer game or an = on-line=20 computer game you are just following the story that is set forward = for=20 you.</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 652-2693 cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com=20 [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]<B>On Behalf Of</B> = Moeller,=20 John<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:13 = PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: (rpggroup)=20 Dawn<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <P><FONT size=3D2>I guess I am getting a little rabid about this, = but all=20 I'm saying is to not dismiss online games outright.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=3D2>John Moeller</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Firmware=20 Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Salt Lake City Firmware</FONT> = </P> <P><FONT size=3D2>jmoeller@enterasys.com</FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>www.enterasys.com</FONT> </P><BR> <P><FONT size=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>> From: Robert Lundeen [<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com">mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com</A>]</= FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 1:00 = PM</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> That = is because=20 the people YOU talked to a GenCon are the </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 lame people, John</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> talked to the = cool=20 people.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>> Robert=20 Lundeen</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Billing/Collections = Manager</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> Glyphics Communications</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> = (801) 652-2693=20 cell phone</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> > -----Original = Message-----</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > From: = owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > [<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com">mailto:owner-rpggroup@l= ists.xmission.com</A>]On=20 Behalf Of Ron Lundeen</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > Sent: = Tuesday,=20 January 09, 2001 12:25 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > To:=20 'rpggroup@lists.xmission.com'</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > = RE: (rpggroup) Dawn</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> ></FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> ></FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> > *shrug* no one = ever i ever=20 talked to said anything about it.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> = ></FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > Ron</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> = ></FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> >=20 = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> >=20 = < &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > < "Those = are my=20 principles, and if you don't like them... ></FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> > < well, I have=20 = others." = ; = =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> >=20 = < &nb= sp; &nbs= p; =20 --Groucho=20 = Marx &nb= sp; =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> >=20 = < &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = =20 ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> >=20 = <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D></FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> = ></FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> ></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > = -</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, = send an email=20 to </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>> "majordomo@xmission.com"</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>> > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body = of the=20 message.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>> > For information = on=20 digests or retrieving files and old messages</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>=20 > send "help" to the same address. 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Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Moeller, John" <jmoeller@enterasys.com> Subject: (rpggroup) Tonight's game Date: 17 Jan 2001 09:49:11 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08094.A7B3D1CE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How many people are coming to tonight's game? John Moeller Firmware Engineer Salt Lake City Firmware jmoeller@enterasys.com www.enterasys.com ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08094.A7B3D1CE Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META NAME="Generator" CONTENT="MS Exchange Server version 5.5.2650.12"> <TITLE>Tonight's game</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Tahoma">How many people are coming to tonight's game?</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Tahoma">John Moeller</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Tahoma">Firmware Engineer</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Tahoma">Salt Lake City Firmware</FONT> </P> <P><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Tahoma">jmoeller@enterasys.com</FONT></U> <BR><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Tahoma">www.enterasys.com</FONT></U> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08094.A7B3D1CE-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrisp338@netscape.net (chris patterson) Subject: Re: (rpggroup) Tonight's game Date: 17 Jan 2001 11:51:54 -0500 I am, but I will be quite late. I figure an arrival time of 9:45. Sorry, but work tends to keep me that late. __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Tonight's game Date: 17 Jan 2001 10:04:50 -0700 I am coming, and I am bringing a big stick to whoop anyone who comes afte= r 9:44. Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500=A0 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of chris patterson > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 9:52 AM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: (rpggroup) Tonight's game > > > > I am, but I will be quite late. I figure an arrival time of > 9:45. Sorry, but work tends to keep me that late. > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron Lundeen <Ron.Lundeen@m.cc.utah.edu> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) Tonight's game Date: 17 Jan 2001 10:29:56 -0700 (MST) I'll be there by 9:43, myself. No, seriously, I may be a little late; UPS is to blame. But as long as Bob's coming, the house will be unlocked for everyone. Ron <===========================================================> < > < "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... > < well, I have others." > < --Groucho Marx > < > <===========================================================> - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrisp338@netscape.net (chris patterson) Subject: Re: RE: (rpggroup) Tonight's game Date: 17 Jan 2001 12:31:24 -0500 yeah, I remember that stick. As I recall it bears a striking resemblence to a rather large vibrating butt plug, a device evidenced at our last meeting only by a rather loud subsonic humming emmanating from your pants. So I ask you, when exactly are you going to share some of that love? Further, will the amount of sharing be related to the amount of minutes I am late. If so I intend to arrive at about 11:30. Chris __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: RE: RE: (rpggroup) Tonight's game Date: 17 Jan 2001 11:36:38 -0700 Come and get it! Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500=A0 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > [mailto:owner-rpggroup@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of chris patterson > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 10:31 AM > To: rpggroup@lists.xmission.com > Subject: Re: RE: (rpggroup) Tonight's game > > > > yeah, > > I remember that stick. As I recall it bears a striking > resemblence to a rather large vibrating butt plug, a device > evidenced at our last meeting only by a rather loud subsonic > humming emmanating from your pants. So I ask you, when exactly > are you going to share some of that love? Further, will the > amount of sharing be related to the amount of minutes I am late. > If so I intend to arrive at about 11:30. > > Chris > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: chrisp338@netscape.net (chris patterson) Subject: Re: RE: (rpggroup) Tonight's game Date: 17 Jan 2001 19:41:59 -0500 Hey anybody! What is the web site with the alignment test? chris __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: demmpw@xmission.com Subject: RE: (rpggroup) All the above Date: 17 Jan 2001 19:09:30 -0700 Actually, I have bren to Gen Con THREE times myself, and i've never heard of this "Everquest" either. But really, since I seem to be 'slightly' out of the "After*Life" phenomenon, I cannot really comment on it. (Unless someone was to e-mail me some rough drafts and concepts. Must go look at house now. Mike - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "John Moeller" <jmoeller@xmission.com> Subject: Re: (rpggroup) All the above Date: 17 Jan 2001 19:33:02 -0700 Ummm.. when did you try to send this, Mike? I assume you don't need to look at the house anymore. After all, you live there. Unless you want to still revel in the fact that you have a house, which is perfectly understandable. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:09 PM > Actually, I have bren to Gen Con THREE times myself, and i've > never heard of this "Everquest" either. > > But really, since I seem to be 'slightly' out of the "After*Life" > phenomenon, I cannot really comment on it. (Unless someone > was to e-mail me some rough drafts and concepts. > > Must go look at house now. > > Mike > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. > For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages > send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your > message. > - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: demmpw@xmission.com Subject: Re: (rpggroup) All the above Date: 17 Jan 2001 23:51:00 -0700 Looks like Mike queued that Jan. 10 but it didn't get sent until I hooked up to email this evening. deb > Ummm.. when did you try to send this, Mike? > > I assume you don't need to look at the house anymore. After all, you > live there. Unless you want to still revel in the fact that you have > a house, which is perfectly understandable. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <demmpw@xmission.com> > To: <rpggroup@lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 7:09 PM > Subject: RE: (rpggroup) All the above > > > > Actually, I have bren to Gen Con THREE times myself, and i've > > never heard of this "Everquest" either. > > > > But really, since I seem to be 'slightly' out of the "After*Life" > > phenomenon, I cannot really comment on it. (Unless someone was to > > e-mail me some rough drafts and concepts. > > > > Must go look at house now. > > > > Mike > > > > - > > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to > > "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of > > the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old > > messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in > > your message. > > > > > - > To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" > with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For > information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send > "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. > - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Lundeen" <rlundeen@glyphics.com> Subject: (rpggroup) After Life Combat Options Date: 29 Jan 2001 12:00:54 -0700 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C089EB.228475C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: (rpggroup) Name GameI need combat options, all of the combat options you guys can think of to include in the system. Things like knockdown, or massive damage, falling damage and the like. I'm not looking for any rules for them right now (but you can send them) mainly just ideas to include. So we don't have a lot of repeats the ideas that I have so far are: a.. aiming b.. called shots c.. cover d.. concealment e.. fire modes for guns (single, burst, auto) f.. move through g.. knockdown h.. massive damage Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C089EB.228475C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>RE: (rpggroup) Name Game</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D380195518-29012001>I need combat options, all of the combat = options you=20 guys can think of to include in the system. Things like knockdown, = or=20 massive damage, falling damage and the like. I'm not looking for = any rules=20 for them right now (but you can send them) mainly just ideas to=20 include.</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D380195518-29012001></SPAN></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D380195518-29012001>So we don't have a lot of repeats the ideas = that I have=20 so far are:</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></DIV> <UL> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D380195518-29012001>aiming</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D380195518-29012001>called shots</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D380195518-29012001>cover</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D380195518-29012001>concealment</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D380195518-29012001>fire modes for guns (single, burst,=20 auto)</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D380195518-29012001>move through</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D380195518-29012001>knockdown</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></LI> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D380195518-29012001>massive = damage</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></LI></UL> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Robert=20 Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 = size=3D2><STRONG>Billing/Collections=20 Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>Glyphics=20 Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) = 365-0500 ext.=20 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080 size=3D2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 = cell=20 phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080=20 size=3D2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01C089EB.228475C0-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Moeller, John" <jmoeller@enterasys.com> Subject: RE: (rpggroup) After Life Combat Options Date: 30 Jan 2001 10:14:53 -0500 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08ACF.6B693336 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Suppression fire Shooting to maim (what cops do) vs. shooting to kill (whether it is a special case of aiming or not, there should be a mechanic for this in a game where you need to get information) -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 12:01 PM I need combat options, all of the combat options you guys can think of to include in the system. Things like knockdown, or massive damage, falling damage and the like. I'm not looking for any rules for them right now (but you can send them) mainly just ideas to include. So we don't have a lot of repeats the ideas that I have so far are: * aiming * called shots * cover * concealment * fire modes for guns (single, burst, auto) * move through * knockdown * massive damage Robert Lundeen Billing/Collections Manager Glyphics Communications (801) 365-0500 ext. 1269 (801) 652-2693 cell phone ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08ACF.6B693336 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <TITLE>RE: (rpggroup) Name Game</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4134.600" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=683080915-30012001><FONT face=Tahoma color=#808000 size=2><STRONG>Suppression fire</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=683080915-30012001><STRONG><FONT face=Tahoma color=#808000 size=2></FONT></STRONG></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=683080915-30012001><STRONG><FONT face=Tahoma color=#808000 size=2>Shooting to maim (what cops do) vs. shooting to kill (whether it is a special case of aiming or not, there should be a mechanic for this in a game where you need to get information)</FONT></STRONG></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #808000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert Lundeen [mailto:rlundeen@glyphics.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 29, 2001 12:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B> rpggroup@lists.xmission.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> (rpggroup) After Life Combat Options<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><SPAN class=380195518-29012001>I need combat options, all of the combat options you guys can think of to include in the system. Things like knockdown, or massive damage, falling damage and the like. I'm not looking for any rules for them right now (but you can send them) mainly just ideas to include.</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><SPAN class=380195518-29012001></SPAN></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><SPAN class=380195518-29012001>So we don't have a lot of repeats the ideas that I have so far are:</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></DIV> <UL> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><SPAN class=380195518-29012001>aiming</SPAN></FONT></STRONG> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><SPAN class=380195518-29012001>called shots</SPAN></FONT></STRONG> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><SPAN class=380195518-29012001>cover</SPAN></FONT></STRONG> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><SPAN class=380195518-29012001>concealment</SPAN></FONT></STRONG> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><SPAN class=380195518-29012001>fire modes for guns (single, burst, auto)</SPAN></FONT></STRONG> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><SPAN class=380195518-29012001>move through</SPAN></FONT></STRONG> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><SPAN class=380195518-29012001>knockdown</SPAN></FONT></STRONG> <LI><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><SPAN class=380195518-29012001>massive damage</SPAN></FONT></STRONG></LI></UL> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Robert Lundeen</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Billing/Collections Manager</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>Glyphics Communications</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>(801) 365-0500 ext. 1269</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2><STRONG>(801) 652-2693 cell phone</STRONG></FONT></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial color=#000080 size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C08ACF.6B693336-- - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send "help" to the same address. Do not use quotes in your message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Deborah and Michael Weber <demmpw@xmission.com> Subject: (rpggroup) Re: After Life Combat Options Date: 31 Jan 2001 07:13:46 -0700 <html> Non-lethal damage, if that isn't already covered in your categories. Nifty unarmed combat. Specializations (and special skills/tricks for specialized people if your game works that way). Modifiers if you're wounded or stunned. Non-modern weapons. Magical effects when used in combat--burn damage, ice damage, lightning damage, etc. What might worsen these, such as metal armor. Psychological states that affect combat--broken, frightened, etc.<br> <br> deb<br> <br> At 12:00 PM 1/29/01 -0700, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b>I need combat options, all of the combat options you guys can think of to include in the system. Things like knockdown, or massive damage, falling damage and the like. I'm not looking for any rules for them right now (but you can send them) mainly just ideas to include.</b></font><br> <br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b>So we don't have a lot of repeats the ideas that I have so far are:</b></font> <ul><font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b> <li>aiming</b></font> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b> <li>called shots</b></font> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b> <li>cover</b></font> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b> <li>concealment</b></font> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b> <li>fire modes for guns (single, burst, auto)</b></font> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b> <li>move through</b></font> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b> <li>knockdown</b></font> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b> <li>massive damage</b></font> </ul> <br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b>Robert Lundeen</b></font><br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b>Billing/Collections Manager</b></font><br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b>Glyphics Communications</b></font><br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b>(801) 365-0500 ext. 1269</b></font><br> <font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"><b>(801) 652-2693 cell phone</b></font><br> </blockquote></html> - To unsubscribe to rpggroup, send an email to "majordomo@xmission.com" with "unsubscribe rpggroup" in the body of the message. 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