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Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:01:58 PDT
From: "Kelly Girl" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [roswell] Howie D

<sheepish grin> well i am more of an N'sync gal....
luvin' some BSB songs, but i do not know their names.
so, what is Howie D's role going to be?
kellygirl
P.S. does anyone know that the next eppie is going to be?

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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 04:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Ryan D." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [roswell] Howie D

> <sheepish grin> well i am more of an N'sync gal....

Okay, Justin was a little corny in ABC's "Model
Behavior" but can you imagine how much better
"Destiny" would have been it would have been Justin at
the end and not stinky Howie from the Backstreet
Boys!?


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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 21:42:30 -0700
From: "DeCarskyJandN" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [roswell] Roswell @ Great America

Hi,

I was just going throgh my e-mails and of course was reading yours, and I
was there also, I live in the bay area, it was great fun and I have pics. of
me and them too. maybe you could send me one of your pics. and I can send
you one of mine. Maybe I saw you there? e-mail me back if your interested. I
need a Roswell friend around here I can talk Roswellian too.
Sincearly,
Nicole
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From: "Sorcerer" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 9:49 PM
Subject: [roswell] Roswell @ Great America


> It was supposed to be Nick and Majandra at Great
> America, but Shiri, Emilie, and Nick Wechsler made an
> appearance at Great America.  I heard Majandra hurt
> her eye some how.  Anyway they arrived at the park
> around 4:30pm and was originally at 4, they were stuck
> in traffic coming from San Francisco.  They also went
> to SFO to their hotel to check out.  I took some
> pictures of Shiri and Nick.  Emilie left for a while
> to ride the "Stealth" with some fans.  A friend of
> mine took a picture of me and Shiri, I also got some
> signed picture from Shiri and Nick.  Once I develop my
> pictures, I'll probably post them up for you guys to
> check out.  For now they signed these post cards.
>
>
http://www.advantage2you.net/donnas1/other_files/roswell_pics/shiri_sig.jpg
>
> http://www.advantage2you.net/donnas1/other_files/roswell_pics/nick_sig.jpg
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 10:39:38 -0700
From: "Ronda Ploughman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [roswell] Howie D

I think he will have a recurring role as a bad alien and since he was only
on the last three seconds of destiny, it won't start till next season.....

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From: "Kelly Girl" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [roswell] Howie D


> <sheepish grin> well i am more of an N'sync gal....
> luvin' some BSB songs, but i do not know their names.
> so, what is Howie D's role going to be?
> kellygirl
> P.S. does anyone know that the next eppie is going to be?
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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:33:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: JTV <[e-mail]>
Subject: [roswell] No converters, but...!

I haven't tried any converting techniques, but I am discovering a lot of
closet Roswell fans. Sometimes merely bring up the show, during a
conversation, allows those who watch the show but feel they are alone in
Roswell Land, to let the Roswellite out. If anything, getting them to join a
Roswell message board is even harder, which doens't make much sense!

jtv

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From: "Kelly Girl" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Sent: June 20, 2000 1:25:39 AM GMT
Subject: [roswell] whoo-hoo! i have a convert

who else has converted a friend or family or co-worker to watch Roswell? and
which ep *did* it for them?

kellygirl

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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:47:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: JTV <[e-mail]>
Subject: [roswell] Spoiler?? - Season 2

SPOILER SPACE
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For those of us who watch the WB on Tuesday night, the question of whether
Topolski will return next season may have been answered on the season finale
of...

jtv


- ------Original Message------
From: "Mike Stone" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Sent: May 9, 2000 11:04:46 PM GMT
Subject: RE: [roswell] Season 2 ???

Well, I've 'heard' plenty that the ratings have been great since they moved
it to Mondays, but I haven't seen anything official myself. If the ratings
are staying around 5-6.0, there's little reason, I think, why they should
c@ncel it... unless Jason Katims miffed someone off at the WB.  :)

Just like we didn't see Topolsky die, I wonder if either will show up next
season?

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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 12:56:31 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [roswell] No converters, but...!

<< who else has converted a friend or family or co-worker to watch Roswell?
and
 which ep *did* it for them? >>

Well, I'm the converted here :) I watched the pilot and couldn't get into it,
but then all my friends started watching it and told me I *had* to start
watching it. So I watched "285 South" with them (that's what it was called,
right?) and that was it, I was hooked. Mostly thanks to Michael and Maria,
those two cracked me up in the way they were interacting with each other. And
then I spotted someone on the Xmission buffylist subbed to a Roswell list so
I asked for subbing instructions and here I am!


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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:00:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: JTV <[e-mail]>
Subject: [roswell] Roswell dollars...?

I didn't know one could sale things here in Roswell Land. But one had to
know, sooner or later, e-commerce would hit our island!!

jtv


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From: ~!shayla!~ <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail],
[e-mail], [e-mail], Mel
<[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
Sent: June 14, 2000 12:18:33 AM GMT
Subject: [roswell] roswell photos

hi everyone...
i have a bunch of glossy 8 by 10 photos...i would like to sell some of these
because i have to many! (lol)....the 8 by 10 glossy photos cost an average
of $10.00 each...if anyone is interested in buying one or some of the photos
email me at [e-mail]   and we will discuss prices etc....
shayla
have a great day!!!!

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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:13:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: JTV <[e-mail]>
Subject: [roswell] Give Up...?

In the beginning, Roswell was about three aliens trying to survive on a
planet where they were "alone." Trying to fit in to a world that they knew
was not theirs. As the show progressed, I thought I was looking at another
Dawson's Creek, 90210, and the like. The show seemed to center around the
intimate moments between Liz and Max.

**The shows writers were asking themselves...How many times during the next
hour can we have Liz and Max all over each other?

Don't get me wrong, intimacy is a good thing. Prior to the last two or
three, which were more sci fi then anything, the show had the appropriate
mix. You had your sci fi, mystery, intimacy, and comedy all in tandem.

There will never be another X-Files! There may be another Friends! If
Roswell can stay right in the middle, it will last as long as the story
allows it to.


jtv


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From: Chantel Reynolds <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Sent: June 14, 2000 7:14:33 PM GMT
Subject: Re: [roswell] We Shouldn't Give Up So Easily

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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:21:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: JTV <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [roswell] "What happens now?. . ."

I think the writers have a thing for Peanuts, when it comes to the parents.
Though Peanuts have the occasional "WHA WHA" voice, Roswell has an
occasional appearance of a parent, not counting the sheriff.

jtv


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From: Martha Jackson <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Sent: June 22, 2036 9:32:07 PM GMT
Subject: Re: [roswell] "What happens now?. . ."

Hi Adam,
Welcome to the list! There are pretty much no parental repercussions ever in
this series, no matter what happens! Either the parents are extremely
permissive, or we're expected to believe the gang just talks their way out
of getting into trouble each time!

Martha

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Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 13:23:28 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [roswell] Spoiler?? - Season 2

In a message dated 7/1/00 4:47:47 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [e-mail]
writes:

<<
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 For those of us who watch the WB on Tuesday night, the question of whether
 Topolski will return next season may have been answered on the season finale
 of...
  >>


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She's back as Darla on Angel!  I like Julie Benz, as Toplosky and Darla

Jeepy

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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:19:26 -0500
From: "Mike Stone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [roswell] Roswell dollars...?

> I didn't know one could sale things here in Roswell Land. But one had to
> know, sooner or later, e-commerce would hit our island!!

Since it's Roswell-related, I'll let it slide. But you'd be surprised at how
many non-members try to submit mass mail advertisements!



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Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:25:40 -0500
From: "Mike Stone" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [roswell] No converters, but...!

> So I watched "285 South" with them and that was it,
> I was hooked.

I was okay with all the episodes, but I think for me, it was in Blood
Brother and Toy House when I felt the show had significant potential.

I've heard no spoilers for what's in store for us next season, however.


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Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:53:48 -0500
From: Marti Dunston <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [roswell] parents haven't a clue

Roswell kids seem to be running around with a familial relationship based
on trust.  Lucky for our plot line!

Roswell is enjoyable fiction and that's all we can expect it to be.
Something I keep trying to overlook is that Liz is always leaving the
restaurant un staffed!  Does Liz run that restaurant or what?  I never see
her parents working there.  What's up with that?  How many hours does she
put in?  Argh!  I just have to cool it and realize I'm being obsessive.
The restaurant isn't real.  It's there for a convenient meeting place, and
occasional humor.  Love the menu.

Sadly, in 'real life', there are lots of families where there is no need
for subterfuge or trust.  The parents just couldn't care less where or what
their children are into.  Making a bomb in the garage, ordering automatic
guns, cutting up the neighbor's daughter for convenient disposal, are all
recent examples of our society's 'lack of parental involvement' with their
children.  Brrr.

At 01:21 PM 7/1/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I think the writers have a thing for Peanuts, when it comes to the parents.
>Though Peanuts have the occasional "WHA WHA" voice, Roswell has an
>occasional appearance of a parent, not counting the sheriff.
>
>jtv
>
>
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>From: Martha Jackson <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>Sent: June 22, 2036 9:32:07 PM GMT
>Subject: Re: [roswell] "What happens now?. . ."
>
>Hi Adam,
>Welcome to the list! There are pretty much no parental repercussions ever in
>this series, no matter what happens! Either the parents are extremely
>permissive, or we're expected to believe the gang just talks their way out
>of getting into trouble each time!
>
>Martha

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Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:49:38 PDT
From: "Harmony Cadien" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [none]

Ok, so I know this is once again untimely, but I have a question about the
Crazy episode. I was watching it today with the little girl I babysitt for
(who by the way loves the show and me for taping all the episodes since she
had never heard of it before, she's getting caught up this summer) and was a
little confused. I think when I watched it the first time I was confused as
well, but figured everything would pan out by the end of the season. Well it
didn't, at least not for me, after I watched this episode again. Ok, now
that I have just confused everyone reading this and myself even more, I'll
get on with why I'm confused. Here goes. Nasedo posed as the psychiatric
doctor that was supposed to be taking care of Topolsky in Maryland. Why?
What reason did he do this for? It seemed like Topolsky was trying to help
the "pod squad," so what's with him pretending to be her doctor? If anyone
has any feedback to offer on this, it would be appreciated. I am beyond
perplexed. Thanks.

Harmony
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Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:50:10 PDT
From: "Harmony Cadien" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [roswell] feedback please!!

Ok, so I know this is once again untimely, but I have a question about the
Crazy episode. I was watching it today with the little girl I babysitt for
(who by the way loves the show and me for taping all the episodes since she
had never heard of it before, she's getting caught up this summer) and was a
little confused. I think when I watched it the first time I was confused as
well, but figured everything would pan out by the end of the season. Well it
didn't, at least not for me, after I watched this episode again. Ok, now
that I have just confused everyone reading this and myself even more, I'll
get on with why I'm confused. Here goes. Nasedo posed as the psychiatric
doctor that was supposed to be taking care of Topolsky in Maryland. Why?
What reason did he do this for? It seemed like Topolsky was trying to help
the "pod squad," so what's with him pretending to be her doctor? If anyone
has any feedback to offer on this, it would be appreciated. I am beyond
perplexed. Thanks.

Harmony
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:40:28 -0700
From: "Ronda Ploughman" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [roswell] Re:

We're not sure if it was Nacedo.  It could be the other alien that was in
the crash, or it could  be one of the evil shapeshifting aliens the podsters
will be fighting in the new season.

Hope that helps!

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From: "Harmony Cadien" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 8:49 PM


> Ok, so I know this is once again untimely, but I have a question about the
> Crazy episode. I was watching it today with the little girl I babysitt for
> (who by the way loves the show and me for taping all the episodes since
she
> had never heard of it before, she's getting caught up this summer) and was
a
> little confused. I think when I watched it the first time I was confused
as
> well, but figured everything would pan out by the end of the season. Well
it
> didn't, at least not for me, after I watched this episode again. Ok, now
> that I have just confused everyone reading this and myself even more, I'll
> get on with why I'm confused. Here goes. Nasedo posed as the psychiatric
> doctor that was supposed to be taking care of Topolsky in Maryland. Why?
> What reason did he do this for? It seemed like Topolsky was trying to help
> the "pod squad," so what's with him pretending to be her doctor? If anyone
> has any feedback to offer on this, it would be appreciated. I am beyond
> perplexed. Thanks.
>
> Harmony
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:06:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: JTV <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [roswell] feedback please!!

Was Topolsky not picked up, or captured, later in that same episode. Maybe
Nasedo posed as her psychiatric doctor to keep the "pod squad" from getting
to close to her. This may have kept them from being captured as well. If you
believe Nasedo's whole protector angle. Was it not reported that she died
later on?

jtv

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From: "Harmony Cadien" <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Sent: July 6, 2000 3:50:10 AM GMT
Subject: [roswell] feedback please!!

...Nasedo posed as the psychiatric doctor that was supposed to be taking
care of Topolsky in Maryland. Why? What reason did he do this for? It seemed
like Topolsky was trying to help the "pod squad," so what's with him
pretending to be her doctor? If anyone
has any feedback to offer on this, it would be appreciated. I am beyond
perplexed. Thanks.

Harmony
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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:38:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chantel Reynolds <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [roswell] parents haven't a clue

In early episodes, the parents were *much* more
visible, and there were other waitresses at the
Crashdown--Agnes comes to mind.  But you're right; the
parents just haven't been around much lately.

Now, www.roswellscripts.com has the original scripts
from season one, complete with the stuff they edited
out for time.  And the Destiny script does contain a
reference to all the parents freaking out over all six
(Tess's "parent" knew where she was) kids
disappearing, which several people on the boards
thought would have added a nice touch.

Maybe it's me, but does anybody remember the parents
being around much post-Sexual Healing?  And given the
way Max's and Liz's parents reacted to *those*
activities, it would have done a lot for reality if
we'd seen something about Max's parents losing it when
he disappeared from the carnival.

*sigh* Oh well, we rarely saw much of the parents in
Buffy's world either....

Chantel


- --- Marti Dunston <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> Roswell kids seem to be running around with a
> familial relationship based
> on trust.  Lucky for our plot line!
>
> Roswell is enjoyable fiction and that's all we can
> expect it to be.
> Something I keep trying to overlook is that Liz is
> always leaving the
> restaurant un staffed!  Does Liz run that restaurant
> or what?  I never see
> her parents working there.  What's up with that?
> How many hours does she
> put in?  Argh!  I just have to cool it and realize
> I'm being obsessive.
> The restaurant isn't real.  It's there for a
> convenient meeting place, and
> occasional humor.  Love the menu.


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Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:18:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jennifer <[e-mail]>
Subject: [roswell] Re: crazy question

I was wondering the exact same thing the other day.
That episode was confusing, what happens to Topolsky?
She is killed right? Was the fire an accident or did
the FBI set it? Was she really nuts because everything
she said turned out to be true. And if she wasn't nuts
why was she in the insitution? Why did Nasedo pose as
the doctor when Topolsky was telling the truth and
trying to help them?
Sorry for all the questions but that episode wasn't
very clear. :)
- --- Harmony Cadien <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Ok, so I know this is once again untimely, but I
> have a question about the
> Crazy episode. I was watching it today with the
> little girl I babysitt for
> (who by the way loves the show and me for taping all
> the episodes since she
> had never heard of it before, she's getting caught
> up this summer) and was a
> little confused. I think when I watched it the first
> time I was confused as
> well, but figured everything would pan out by the
> end of the season. Well it
> didn't, at least not for me, after I watched this
> episode again. Ok, now
> that I have just confused everyone reading this and
> myself even more, I'll
> get on with why I'm confused. Here goes. Nasedo
> posed as the psychiatric
> doctor that was supposed to be taking care of
> Topolsky in Maryland. Why?
> What reason did he do this for? It seemed like
> Topolsky was trying to help
> the "pod squad," so what's with him pretending to be
> her doctor? If anyone
> has any feedback to offer on this, it would be
> appreciated. I am beyond
> perplexed. Thanks.
>
> Harmony
>
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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:35:42 +1200
From: Alison <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [roswell] Re: crazy question

Topolsky wasn't nuts, she was telling the truth - the FBI put her in a
mental institution so they could classify her as insane, and therefore no
one would believe her stories. It was Nasedo who turned up, because he knew
that Pierce was on Topolsky's tail - which would've led Pierce to the kids.
So he lied about Topolsky in order to protect them. As we know, Nasedo
doesn't care about who gets hurt, so long as the kids are safe.

Alison

At 14:18 6/07/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I was wondering the exact same thing the other day.
>That episode was confusing, what happens to Topolsky?
>She is killed right? Was the fire an accident or did
>the FBI set it? Was she really nuts because everything
>she said turned out to be true. And if she wasn't nuts
>why was she in the insitution? Why did Nasedo pose as
>the doctor when Topolsky was telling the truth and
>trying to help them?
>Sorry for all the questions but that episode wasn't
>very clear. :)
>--- Harmony Cadien <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Ok, so I know this is once again untimely, but I
> > have a question about the
> > Crazy episode. I was watching it today with the
> > little girl I babysitt for
> > (who by the way loves the show and me for taping all
> > the episodes since she
> > had never heard of it before, she's getting caught
> > up this summer) and was a
> > little confused. I think when I watched it the first
> > time I was confused as
> > well, but figured everything would pan out by the
> > end of the season. Well it
> > didn't, at least not for me, after I watched this
> > episode again. Ok, now
> > that I have just confused everyone reading this and
> > myself even more, I'll
> > get on with why I'm confused. Here goes. Nasedo
> > posed as the psychiatric
> > doctor that was supposed to be taking care of
> > Topolsky in Maryland. Why?
> > What reason did he do this for? It seemed like
> > Topolsky was trying to help
> > the "pod squad," so what's with him pretending to be
> > her doctor? If anyone
> > has any feedback to offer on this, it would be
> > appreciated. I am beyond
> > perplexed. Thanks.
> >
> > Harmony
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Ryan D." <[e-mail]>
Subject: [roswell] Parent and Columbine

   You brought up how Liz's parents trust her,
something I'm sure they do with the restaurant. We see
Liz running the restaurant a lot, but I think it's
pretty much an after-school job for her. We only see a
short fraction of what the characters do when we see
an hour long show, so you have to assume that when we
aren't seeing Liz running the restaurant, that's when
her parents are.

> Sadly, in 'real life', there are lots of families
> where there is no need
> for subterfuge or trust.  The parents just couldn't
> care less where or what
> their children are into.  Making a bomb in the
> garage, ordering automatic
> guns, cutting up the neighbor's daughter for
> convenient disposal, are all
> recent examples of our society's 'lack of parental
> involvement' with their
> children.  Brrr.

   You kind of indirectly brought up the Columbine
incident with the "bomb in the garage" comment which I
am kind of disappointed in. It's been over a year, and
I think that we have to accept this event and move on.
It's probably the only way we can move forward.
   I'm speaking personally, but I didn't really
appreciate the reference.

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(who else?)

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"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "Or you wouldn't have come here."
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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 04:35:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Ryan D." <[e-mail]>
Subject: [roswell] More Parents- Roswell and Buffy

   You got to remember that it's a budgetary thing,
too. It probably costs extra to pay the parents to
appear in an episode. If they're not an integral part
of the story, as they were in "Sexual Healing", then
there's really no point.
   Did anyone ever notice that Max and Isabel's dad
was one guy in "The Morning After" than he was when he
showed up in "Into the Woods" and "Sexual Healing"?
Maybe Nacedo was keeping a close eye than they
think...

> *sigh* Oh well, we rarely saw much of the parents in
> Buffy's world either....

   Hmmm... I think that's because aside from Joyce
(Buffy's mom) none of the parents cared. Xander came
from a dead-beat family, while Willow's were too busy
being reknowned psychologists. On the up side, we did
get to see Sheila, Willow's mom, in "Gingerbread" and
Xander's dad in "Restless" albeit breifly. Buffy dad
showed up twice early on, but I have to agree with you
when it comes to Cordelia. She only mentions her
parents a few times...

WELCOME TO THE HELLMOUTH
Talks about her mom having "chronic fatigue syndrome"

PHASES
"Daddy just had this car detailed!"

   And the whole thing about how her parents lost all
the money, even though we never find out what happens
to them...

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Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 04:37:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Ryan D." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [roswell] Re: crazy question

> It was Nasedo who
> turned up, because he knew
> that Pierce was on Topolsky's tail - which would've
> led Pierce to the kids.
> So he lied about Topolsky in order to protect them.
> As we know, Nasedo
> doesn't care about who gets hurt, so long as the
> kids are safe.

I was trying to think of a plausible explanation, but
coming up short. I just have to say, good job Allison!
This is the best answer ever!

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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 11:54:22 -0500
From: Marti Dunston <[e-mail]>
Subject: [roswell] OT-Roswell: Warning-Rant about Ryan's 'smackdown'

Ryan,

response to your 1st paragraph:

Roswell is a great TV show.  But it's a TV show!
Maybe this is my fault.  Perhaps I was too vague in my attempt at writing a
humorous and entertaining post.  I got carried away and I forgot not
everyone is aware of these character's as actors.  It's like this you see,
who cares who runs the restaurant when it's off camera (or as you referred
to it, "when we >aren't seeing Liz running the restaurant)?  There is no
restaurant.  It's a plot device.

response to your 2nd paragraph:

:RANT:

How insensitive of you to swing a smackdown at someone you know nothing about!

Firstly, the "bomb in the garage" I referred to was about Illinois!
Secondly, it was an example, along with two other incidents, to make a
point about the Roswell 'topic' under discussion.  In no way was I
exploiting, or referring to, any particular incident in recent history.

Geez Ryan, I didn't even know bombs had been used in the Columbine High
School Incident in Littleton, Colorado (aha, I did some research).  In all
the news reports I read the assailants were referred to as the "gunmen" and
the "shooters".  I had to dig a little to discover that the assailants had
also made pipe bombs and something called a "20 lb. propane bomb".

I confess I quit digging after that so I don't really know if anyone was
killed by a bomb, or if they made their bombs in a garage.  My mind is
tickled, tee hee, about some reference to an informal shooting range way
out from town?  But the tickles don't help the memory much, just irritate
it!  Most of the references seemed to indicate the victims were shot by
"low quality weapons" (shotguns and pistols).  That was a lot more
information than I needed to know, but, it was all there for anyone to find.

(Additionally, there were some very sensitive and nurturing memorial sites
dedicated to the incident.  I'm sure they were developed as a cathartic
exercise for survivors, family's of victims, and anyone traumatized, or in
otherwise affected, by this dreadful incident.  If you are still so
strongly affected by this incident after 1 year and 2 months, you might
want to check them out.)

Also, I made three separate references to (fairly) recent crimes committed
by adolescents.
Do you realize how you denigrate the other incidents by only mentioning one
of them?
Are the other crimes less horrific because they mean nothing to you?

You stated "we have to accept this event and move on.".  Who is not
accepting the event here Ryan?

Do you really think the rest of the world should just not mention it ever
again?  Is that how you hope to teach your children some day?

I am sorry for your pain.  But do you really think policing what people say
is the right way to deal with it?
Would you like to enforce censorship on all unpleasant subjects?

Finally, if you must point out to everyone that someone has "indirectly"
made a reference to something you don't like and that you don't
"appreciate" it, try to inject some humor, or at least colorful references
into your 'smackdowns'.  How about cliches?  Sugar coating helps the
medicine go down, you can catch more flies with honey, etc.  Or better yet,
think them over first and then decide if you really want that nasty
foot-in-the-mouth taste that follows when we share our prejudices with the
world, or, 'er, list.

P.S. Please flame me off list.  Show some respect for the other LISTeners.
Also, it's draining be this coherent for longer than 50 words or more...I'm
pooped.

:OFF RANT:

At 04:26 AM 7/7/00 -0700, you wrote:
>   You brought up how Liz's parents trust her,
>something I'm sure they do with the restaurant. We see
>Liz running the restaurant a lot, but I think it's
>pretty much an after-school job for her. We only see a
>short fraction of what the characters do when we see
>an hour long show, so you have to assume that when we
>aren't seeing Liz running the restaurant, that's when
>her parents are.
>
>> Sadly, in 'real life', there are lots of families
>> where there is no need
>> for subterfuge or trust.  The parents just couldn't
>> care less where or what
>> their children are into.  Making a bomb in the
>> garage, ordering automatic
>> guns, cutting up the neighbor's daughter for
>> convenient disposal, are all
>> recent examples of our society's 'lack of parental
>> involvement' with their
>> children.  Brrr.
>
>   You kind of indirectly brought up the Columbine
>incident with the "bomb in the garage" comment which I
>am kind of disappointed in. It's been over a year, and
>I think that we have to accept this event and move on.
>It's probably the only way we can move forward.
>   I'm speaking personally, but I didn't really
>appreciate the reference.
>
>=====
>-Ryan

Marti
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