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port-charles-digest    Thursday, February 19 1998    Volume 01 : Number 025




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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:47:38 EST5EDT
From: "Gina Clayton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: Lizzie

I read this in Soaps in Depth.  they have all the ABC soaps featured.
 It's pretty good.
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Guza said that "Lizzie's rape will start small and build into
something big." He also said that "it will involve at least 10
characters (including Nik and Emily) and will fundamentally change
their whole perspective about relationships, being a teenager, and
life itself."   Guza hints that Audrey will eventually find out, but
her response will not be what we'd predict. "we're going to reach
back into Audrey's past, there are a couple of aspects of her life
that are going to directly influence her granddaughter"

I read that when Lucky tried to contact Lizzie the next day, she is
in bed with flu symptoms.  Audrey thanks him for showin Lizzie such a
good time.  Lizzie refuses to discuss what happened and pleads that
her not tell Audrey aobut it.  Mustering up courage, Lucky asks
Lizzie straight up if she was raped.  Liz nods then collapses in his
arms.  she begs him to forget she ever told him, but he doesn't think
he should.  the two share an intense heart-to-heart about the
possibility of HIV and pregnancy. Later, Liz returns to work at
Kelly's but becomes inexplicably frightened when Mr. Murty approaches
her.  Luke and Bobbie do their best to comfort her, but she breaks
down and bolts.  Determined to get to the bottom of the bruises she
noticed on her sister, Sarah follows Lizzie outside where Lizzie
confides she was raped.  Taking Liz in her arms, Sarah asks who did
it.  Through tears, Liz admits she doesn't know.

this is going to be a great story!!
gina

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:38:11 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: ADMIN: Rules Amendment

At 05:46 PM 2/16/98 -0800, Cagey wrote:
>
>ListMoms who, though practically on different sides of the
>country, think and post the same thing at the same time,
>are scary, don't you think? ;)

<snort> And they haven't even seen us together in RL(tm). ;-)

Now, as for yesterday's GH... wow.  Double wow.

Aside from the fact that, on principle, I have a problem with rape as a
storyline, I must say that if they handle it as well as they did yesterday,
I will be able to forgive it.

Jamila wrote:

>    Today's episode was powerful. It was just wow. I can't remember the name
>of the actress that plays Lizzie, but she did a really good job.

Becky Herbst.  And I totally agree.  I'm really glad they are giving her a
storyline.  I think most people wrote her off so early on that, because of
the pitiful story she had, it wasn't necessarily obvious that she can act.
Yesterday she showed she can.

>I must also
>commend Jonathan on his job today. I am glad that Lucky is going to be
>supporting Liz in this story line. I mean today is the first time that I
>have actually liked Lucky.

I love Lucky.  I always have.  But yesterday he was incredible.  Absolutely
amazing.  Lucky crying in the scenes where he was telling Luke and then at
the end after he took Lizzie home -- fabulous.  And absolutely
heart-wrenching.  I had to watch those several times before I could absorb
the entire scene.

>I couldn't believe it when Lucky started to cry today. I have
>never seen that side of him. He was acting so supportive and protective. I
>will agree with Luke that Luke is maturing very nicely. All I have to say is
>Lucky is the man.

No kidding.  That's the side of Lucky that I love.  That's the way he's
always been with Emily, too.  Gods help me or I'm going to start liking
Lucky and Lizzie.

>    I can't wait till this whole story comes to light. I know that it is to
>soon being as it just happened. Still, it will be one of the better stories
>that has happened in the recent past. I am going to go and re-watch the
>episode. I will have more to say later.

Hopefully it will be.  I think soaps have a very bad habit of doing a
disservice to rape storylines.  If they follow through with how they
handled eysterday, though, it should be pretty good.

The performances all the way around were so right on.  The whole scene with
Luke and Lucky was amazing.  I'll probably have to watch that one a few
more times still.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement.
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:49:40 EST5EDT
From: "Gina Clayton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: PC--the END

> all i can say is HALLELUJAH that the rex thing is OVER!  well, except
> for lucy and the poison.  but at least the ridiculous charade nonsense
> is over and done with.  i was a little annoyed at the sudden way they
> all seemed to finally buy a clue--lucy realizing all of a sudden that
> her purse was bugged, and scotty finally growing a brain and brinking
> conklin in on it...but you know what?  i'm SO GLAD IT'S OVER that i
> don't even care!
>
> on to bigger and better things...i hope!
ITA!!!!  Now all they need to do is do something with this Lark
storyline!!1

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:54:51 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: PC--the END

At 09:04 AM 2/17/98 PST, Julie Saker wrote:
>i was a little annoyed at the sudden way they
>all seemed to finally buy a clue--lucy realizing all of a sudden that
>her purse was bugged, and scotty finally growing a brain and brinking
>conklin in on it...but you know what?  i'm SO GLAD IT'S OVER that i
>don't even care!

Can't argue that! <g>

Hopefully now they'll get onto something else.  They have all kinds of
subplots that have been simmering in the background during this thing.  Now
that they can cut this albatross loose, maybe we can move onto some of the
more interesting things waiting in the wings.

Like Kevin & Lucy GETTING MARRIED.  <ahem>

And Matt and Ellen.

And this Chris/Eve/Scott thing.  I do wish they'd go back to plying up the
Chris/Eve bit, though.  I like Scott and Eve, but they've been together so
much lately that they've effectively removed Chris from the equation and I
miss him being there.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement.
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:31:41 -0800
From: Mike Boychuk <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  GH/PC: Lizzie

At 08:38 AM 17/02/98 PST, you wrote:
>jamila wrote:
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>>I heard some speculation in one of that Chatrooms that Tony is accused
>then
>>acquitted of this crime.
>
>oh, YUCK.  we all know tony's a bit over the edge these
>days, but to think that he would be capable of RAPING a
>fifteen-year-old?  i don't THINK so.  and we'll probably
>get another damn trial out of it.  <sigh>

I'm going to have to put my money against the virtual nobody and say Tony
did it. I mean the guy has flipped pretty bad, and a virtual nobody would
be really boring wouldnt it?

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:38:28 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  GH/PC: Lizzie

At 10:31 AM 2/17/98 -0800, Mike Boychuk wrote:

>>>S
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>I'm going to have to put my money against the virtual nobody and say Tony
>did it. I mean the guy has flipped pretty bad, and a virtual nobody would
>be really boring wouldnt it?

I don't think Lizzie'd agree.  Lucky, either.  I think this story is being
taken from more of a reactionary stand point than anything else.  I mean,
while this certainly DID happen to Lizzie, the Spencers are being played
into this VERY heavily, and I don't see that changing anytime soon.  And
frankly, if it weren't for the Spencer angle, I don't think they would have
done this story at all (and that, ovjectively speaking, is probably one of
the worst reasons for them to do it; too bad it makes such compelling
story).  Eventually I think they'll really HAVE to focus much more on
Lizzie, but for now, as we saw yesterday we are getting a very, very heavy
dose of Lucky's reaction to this.

As for whether or not Tony was involved... aside from the fact that I don't
think they've bottomed Tony out to the point of doing that, I don't
honestly think the show would be willing to risk Brad Maule that way.

And I think there is a trend to consider, too:  historically on soaps, when
one main character rapes another main character it's a matter of date rape,
or at the very least aquaintance rape.  It almost ALWAYS boils down to a
matter of he said/she said (Marty's rape on OLtL is about the only
exception to that I can think of; but Todd did not become a main character
until after that).  Certainly not "better" in any way, but most DEFINITELY
not the same thing as grabbing a teenager off a park bench, dragging her
into the bushes, beating the crap out of her, raping her and then leaving
her there to fend for herself, half dressed, in the freezing snow.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement.
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:48:24 -0800
From: Jill Kirby <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: GH spoilage

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Just caught part of a GH promo-- there's a scene with Luke saying to Bobby
something like "If you want me to explain to Lucky what happened between
me and his mother a million years ago, you're insane!"  Geary looks
reeeeeally scary when he says this.

They're definitely doing this to lure back Genie.  Not a doubt in my mind.
There were a dozen other storylines they could have done very easily to
involve Lucky with Lizzie-- this one was SPECIFICALLY chosen.

Jill

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:58:36 PST
From: "Julie Saker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re: GH/PC: Lizzie

mike wrote:


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>
>I'm going to have to put my money against the virtual nobody and say
Tony
>did it. I mean the guy has flipped pretty bad, and a virtual nobody
would
>be really boring wouldnt it?

well, yeah, it's boring...but they do it all the time.  for example: who
killed dorman?  monica?  emily?  ned?  jason?  uh-uh.  tin man.  WHO?

or, did you watch 90210 back in the early days?  all the commercials for
the "very special episode" where "one of the gang is going to die"?  who
was it?  random guy--david's little friend.

all these shows do that, because they don't want to either kill off a
very popular character (unless contract negotiations force them to), or
make a popular character do something so heinous that the audience would
never forgive it.  yes, tony's gone off the deep end.  but considering
the large percentage of the audience (i'm guessing here) who still can't
get the image of a bereft tony bending down over maxie to listen to bj's
heart inside her cousin's chest...i REALLY don't believe they'd have him
rape a teenager.  lorraine, maybe--she's older, and she's kind of
unsympathetic, so it wouldn't be SO horrible (yes, a rape is still
horrible regardless...but you know what i mean, right?).  or do
something evil to carly--who could blame him?  but no amount of dementia
could explain away doing what that attacker did to lizzie, who's only
slightly older than bj would have been had she lived.  i don't buy it.
i can see them accusing him, because he HAS gone off the deep end--and
the new look will probably figure into it once lizzie describes her
attacker.  but i REALLY don't think it will end up being him--even if it
WOULD be more interesting that way.

julie

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:17:15 PST
From: "Julie Saker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: PC yesterday--HELP!!!

HELP!

i got home last night, rewound my tape, pressed play, and here's what i
got:  the opening scene of pc, the credits, then lucy and kevin go to
the hospital and run into joe.  joe asks what the problem is, lucy says
"rex claimed he's poisoned me"  THEN...literally, RIGHT then...bum, bum,
bummmm....abc news special bulletin logo appears across the screen,
followed by "crisis in iraq" (must have been easier to just subsitute
"iraq" from the past few weeks' graphic of "crisis in the white house"
than to come up with a whole new phrase...)  then clinton appears, and
continues to speak for the next half hour, so that's ALL i saw of port
charles yesterday.

so...anybody out there who's NOT in the nyc area get the whole show and
care to enlighten us east-coast folks as to what we missed?  (thankfully
he didn't talk long enough to pre-empt gh too!)  any info would be MUCH
appreciated!

thanks!  :)

julie

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:43:45 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: PC yesterday--H*LP!!!

Julie pleaded:

>so...anybody out there who's NOT in the nyc area get the whole show and
>care to enlighten us east-coast folks as to what we missed?  (thankfully
>he didn't talk long enough to pre-empt gh too!)  any info would be MUCH
>appreciated!

Several good things, though my biases undoubtedly show. <g>

First of all is, the wrap-up of the Rex nightmare:  K&L are at the hospital
so Lucy can get tests.  She decided not to tell Scott anything, because she
didn't want to ruin his reunion with Serena.  The judge overturned Scott's
conviction based on Conklin's testimony and Rex's videotaped confession.
He also arranged for custody of Serena to be returned to Scott.  And
Conkilin kept quiet about Scott's escape.  (And, like Julie said yesterday,
despite the fact that this whole thing wrapped up unrealistically fast, I
am so grateful that I won't gripe about it.)

Scott and Serena went home to the firehouse to find Karen and Eve there
with a celebration.  Karen later spotted Eve and Scott kissing.  She and
Eve had a talk about Eve's relationship with Scott.  Eve told Karen that if
she had a problem with it to please tell her.  Karen swore she was cool and
she was happy for both of them.

Audrey commented to K&L that she was happy that they nabbed Rex and she was
especially delighted that they hadn't really broken up after all.  She did
ask, however, why they were there and Lucy felt guilty for CONTINUING to
lie to people.  Kevin assured her that they were entitled to their privacy
- -- adn that she had EARNED the right not to discuss Rex.  Besides, they
didn't know if it was even true yet or not, so there was no point in
worrying people unnecessarily.

Joe ran blood tests for Lucy, while Julie and Chris gossiped about
them/her.  Joe overheard and went ballistic about how Lucy was a hero for
saving Serena.  Chris commented on her recent "behavior" and Joe pounded
him, saying that it was an act for Rex's benefit.  Chris counter with "how
was I supposed to know that"?  ("What the hell business is it of yours to
pass judgement in the first place" is my question...)  Julie and Chris both
questioned Joe about his mood.

He was upset because he had to give Lucy the bad news:  there is something
in her system, though he can't yet isolate what it is.  Her white blood
cell count it up and she's got a stomach ache, but so far that's about it.

Garcia called Scott at the firehouse and told him about Lucy.  He barreled
over there, just before Joe gave them the news.  Scott told Joe that he
didn't care what it cost, but he wanted everyone in the hospital working on
Lucy's case if that's what it took.  The ep ended with Kevin leaving and
Lucy asking him where he was going.  He answered: "I'm going to find out
what Rex did to you if I have to beat it out of him."

And he was so calm Rex would worry about his own safety if he wasn't such
an egomaniac.

The other part of the ep was Ellen and Matt.  Some of the interns chriped
around Matt about how he landed in the hospital, yadda, yadda, yadda.  And
they all bought his sotry about the exploding can of terpentine.  Ellen,
however, got ahold of his x-ray and discovered that there are bullet
fragments still lodged in his spine.  She confronted him and he admitted,
reluctantly, that he didn't injure his back in a skiing accident, after all.

She continued to pres shim about why he refused to go to the hospital.  He
said because he didn't want anyone tracing him back to GH.  She said that
didn't make any sense, because if someone was looking fo rhim they wouldn't
have a hard time finding him, because the name "Matt Harmon" had been in
the computers for months.

He said he was glad to hear that because "Matt Harmon" was not his real name.

I think that was about it...

Taiyin, crossing my fingers every day that Kevin doesn't shave anytime
soon...
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement.
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:55:33 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: More Lucky and Lizzie

Well, though it could not possibly compare to Monday, watching Lucky
struggle with Lizzie's decision was very good.  I especially loved that
Bobbie pointed out that Lizzie's decision wasn't "wrong" and that it was
her's to make.

And watching Lucky's face while Audrey was going on about how happy Lizzie
was about the dance etc. was painful.  And though I certainly don't think
Lucky should be blamed for what happened to Lizzie, I do want him to feel
guilty for dumping her in favor of Sarah like a big jerk.

I especially loved, though, that he is determined to live up to what Lizzie
and Audrey both think of him.

And poor Lizzie, lying in bed and listening to Lucky pound on the door...

Taiyin
"You're the shrink.  What do you
need me to tell you that for?"
- --"Maybe I'm having a Stupid Day."
      -- Mac and Kevin, GH

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:51:08 -0500
From: Cagey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: PC yesterday--H*LP!!!

Thank you Taiyin!  I was irked, to say the least.  And, of course, the
offices of our affiliate close at 5, so I couldn't even find out if they
planned on rebroadcasting PC <grr>.

>why they were there and Lucy felt guilty for CONTINUING to
>lie to people.

I'm confused.  Why is it a secret that Lucy has been poisoned (I assume
that's what the "lie" is?)?  I realize there's "no point in worrying people
unnecessarily," but the reaction you described for Lucy to Audrey's
question is kind of odd.

>Garcia called Scott at the firehouse and told him about Lucy.

Huh?  I love the way Garcia just shows up randomly...  Presumably they've
paid off the actor who played Conklin, so they had to have Garcia break the
news.

>He said he was glad to hear that because "Matt Harmon" was not his real name.

I am continually amazed at how easy it is for people to fabricate whole
histories, with appropriate documentation, that scam entire communities
into thinking they are someone else...

>Taiyin, crossing my fingers every day that Kevin doesn't shave anytime
>soon...

A razor!  Get the man a razor!  ;)

- --kg

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:20:02 PST
From: "Julie Saker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: PC yesterday

thanks a million for the recap, taiyin!  i was SO annoyed last
night...which i guess is a sure sign that, despite my best efforts, i am
now officially hooked on TWO soaps.  damn.  :)

i certainly hope scott was appropriately concerned (and GUILTY!) about
lucy's predicament when he learned the truth!!!

and kevin going after rex...god i hope clinton doesn't get it into his
head to talk again today!  i can't really imagine anyone being able to
get rex to spill his little secret on this one, but i'd SO like rex to
come out on the bottom for once, y'know?

so no REAL news yet on the matt front, huh?  i must admit, i'm getting
curious.  think they'd bring back the wsb?  THINK THEY'D BRING BACK
ROBERT AND ANNA????  sorry, got a little overexcited there just thinking
about it...

oh well, back to work.  <sigh>  but thanks again!  you made my day!  :)

julie

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:20:51 -0800
From: Taiyin <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: PC yesterday--H*LP!!!

At 01:51 PM 2/18/98 -0500, Cagey wrote:
>
>I'm confused.  Why is it a secret that Lucy has been poisoned (I assume
>that's what the "lie" is?)?  I realize there's "no point in worrying people
>unnecessarily," but the reaction you described for Lucy to Audrey's
>question is kind of odd.

Actually, what happen was, Audrey asked K&L why they were at GH instead of
off celebrating.  And Lucy said that she was just having some routine tests
run.  After Audrey walked away she made a sort of off-handed comment along
the lines of, "Will I EVER be able to stop lying to everyone?"  I think it
was mostly design to show how sick and tired of this whole thing she is.

It's not that the poinsoning is a secret, but they didn't want it getting
out until they knew for sure.

>>Garcia called Scott at the firehouse and told him about Lucy.
>
>Huh?  I love the way Garcia just shows up randomly...  Presumably they've
>paid off the actor who played Conklin, so they had to have Garcia break the
>news.

Actually, Garcia was off-camera.  If I didn't have the closed captioning
on, I probably would have missed that Garcia was the one who called.

>>Taiyin, crossing my fingers every day that Kevin doesn't shave anytime
>>soon...
>
>A razor!  Get the man a razor!  ;)

Over my dead body!  Pfft.

Taiyin
"By all means, please, sacrifice me on the altar of your amusement.
It's the least I can contribute to your evening." -- Kevin Collins, GH

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 14:21:15 EST5EDT
From: "Gina Clayton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: More Lucky and Lizzie

there is a spoiler I heard a long time ago about Liz's rapist at  the
bottom!!  I'm not sure if it was a rumor or a spoiler.

> Well, though it could not possibly compare to Monday, watching Lucky
> struggle with Lizzie's decision was very good.  I especially loved that
> Bobbie pointed out that Lizzie's decision wasn't "wrong" and that it was
> her's to make.
I love Bobbie and am very glad that she is there for Lucky.  Now I
wish Laura would come back, not because of the L&L rape debate, but
because BOTH of her sons need her.  She still doesn't know about Nik
does she??(ugh!!!!  As much as I like Luke, I really dislike the way
he omits certains truths from people who have a right to know about
them.)

> And watching Lucky's face while Audrey was going on about how happy Lizzie
> was about the dance etc. was painful.  And though I certainly don't think
> Lucky should be blamed for what happened to Lizzie, I do want him to feel
> guilty for dumping her in favor of Sarah like a big jerk.
ITA!!  As many have said recently...JJ is doing a wonderful job with
this storyline!!

> I especially loved, though, that he is determined to live up to what Lizzie
> and Audrey both think of him.
>
> And poor Lizzie, lying in bed and listening to Lucky pound on the door...
RH is also doing great!!  I TPTB play this out right....so far the
story AND the characters have alot of potential.   Sounds like a
recipe for success for me!!:):):)


OK-I heard a while back that one of Helena's henchmen rapes Lizzie.
I'm not sure about that, but it would involve the Cassadines into this,
which is Guza's favorite pasttime:) The more I think about it the
more interesting it could be.  The rapist himself is not a major
player, but he has connections to some very major players.  What do
ya'll think??

gina, (who is trying to figure out what is going on with Robin
         lately)
> Taiyin
> "You're the shrink.  What do you
> need me to tell you that for?"
> --"Maybe I'm having a Stupid Day."
>       -- Mac and Kevin, GH
>
> -
>
>

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:38:18 PST
From: "Julie Saker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: Robin

gina wrote:

>(who is trying to figure out what is going on with Robin lately)

i am SO with you on that one!!!

now let me preface this by saying that i LOVE robin--or at least i used
to.  have for YEARS.  think that quite possibly the best, and most
overdue line, i've EVER heard on gh was her "i'm too damn little to be
anybody's patron saint" line to jason before she left.  BUT...

what on EARTH is guza DOING to that girl?!?  she's traipsing around town
butting her nose into EVERYBODY'S business in the world--jason, carly,
NIKOLAS for god's sake?!?  any day i expect her to tell rinaldo that
he's going to give himself bunions from spending all day on his feet and
he should really take better care of himself.  meanwhile, while she's
sharing her vast expertise with strangers and enemies and exes, the
three people who REALLY need her help--brenda, mac, and felicia, get
NOTHING.  ok...so we occasionally get a brenda/robin scene, but RARELY
anything substantial.  and here we have mac and felicia involved in a
HUGE story (for them, anyway)...and we get NOTHING from robin.  i don't
get it--i really don't.  for THIS kimberly left school?

i haven't seen today's ep yet, so maybe you had something more specific
in mind, but robin's really been infuriating me lately.  kimberly is too
good of an actress, and robin has the potential (and HISTORY) to be too
fascinating a character, for both of them to be wasted on the drivel
we've been seeing lately.  the only high point was her kiss with jason,
if only because it was a break from what she's spent every day doing
since she got back from paris--preaching to people who don't care about
subjects which are none of her business, while ignoring the people who
DO care and the subjects which ARE.

julie

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:48:50 EST5EDT
From: "Gina Clayton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: Robin

> now let me preface this by saying that i LOVE robin--or at least i used
> to.  have for YEARS.  think that quite possibly the best, and most
> overdue line, i've EVER heard on gh was her "i'm too damn little to be
> anybody's patron saint" line to jason before she left.  BUT...
That was a GREAT line....I wish she would show some of that spunk
now!

> what on EARTH is guza DOING to that girl?!?  she's traipsing around town
> butting her nose into EVERYBODY'S business in the world--jason, carly,
> NIKOLAS for god's sake?  any day i expect her to tell rinaldo that
> he's going to give himself bunions from spending all day on his feet and
> he should really take better care of himself
LOL!
 > meanwhile, while she's
> sharing her vast expertise with strangers and enemies and exes, the
> three people who REALLY need her help--brenda, mac, and felicia, get
> NOTHING.  ok...so we occasionally get a brenda/robin scene, but RARELY
> anything substantial.  and here we have mac and felicia involved in a
> HUGE story (for them, anyway)...and we get NOTHING from robin.
That is ALL guza's fault becasue Filly and Mac won't let her in on
it.  SHE IS MAC'S NIECE...she NEEDS to know what is going on!!

> i haven't seen today's ep yet, so maybe you had something more specific
> in mind,
wait 'til you see it....I won't ruin it for you but to say it is
Robin and Jason

> but robin's really been infuriating me lately.  kimberly is too
> good of an actress, and robin has the potential (and HISTORY) to be too
> fascinating a character, for both of them to be wasted on the drivel
> we've been seeing lately.  the only high point was her kiss with jason,
> if only because it was a break from what she's spent every day doing
> since she got back from paris--preaching to people who don't care about
> subjects which are none of her business, while ignoring the people who
> DO care and the subjects which ARE.
and looking miserable whenever she sees Jason.  I hope that things
look up for her soon...ITA that Kimberly and Robin are being wasted.
(with this baby storyline, you would think it would be interesting)

gina

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:32:35 -0800
From: Mike Boychuk <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: GH/PC- Bob Guza on NWA (spoiler)

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He got maybe a 5 minute phone call in today and aside from going on a bit
about Genie and Maurice he gives away this one thing about Lizzie's
rape...He said "a family will implode,a new romance will blossom and a
previous rivalry will turn into a war.

So I guess what I thought first off were, in order. Spencers, Robin and Nik
and the Spencer vs. Cassadine war. But I dont know, seems a bit
obvious...or this could just be my disdain for the thought of Robin and Nik
together...Any other thoughts?





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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 16:48:51 MST
From: [e-mail] (Anne B)
Subject: Re: GH/PC: PC yesterday--H*LP!!!

On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 12:20:51 -0800, Taiyin wrote:
>At 01:51 PM 2/18/98 -0500, Cagey wrote:
>>
>>I'm confused.  Why is it a secret that Lucy has been poisoned (I assume
>>that's what the "lie" is?)?  I realize there's "no point in worrying people
>>unnecessarily," but the reaction you described for Lucy to Audrey's
>>question is kind of odd.
>
> ***Stuff deleted***...  I think it
>was mostly design to show how sick and tired of this whole thing she is.
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>It's not that the poinsoning is a secret, but they didn't want it getting
>out until they knew for sure.
>

She also said something about not letting Rex have anymore power over
her which I took to be a little denial on Lucy's part (the more people
she had to tell the truer it became). But I also like Taiyin's theory
that this is how the writers show us that Lucy is tired of the lies.

I thought Kevin's remark that it wasn't anybody's business and Lucy had
every right to lie was an interesting character defining moment.  This
is the usually truthful Kevin's philosophy--that if it is your personal
pain you don't have any obligation to confide in people who care about
you.  This is were he is always dishonest and the writers have been
consistent.  Reading Rika's transcripts makes me wonder how much
progress Kevin has really made.  Oh, sure, he has opened up and
shared things with Lucy and Mac but Tuesday's line makes me wonder
how much he really understands why this is necessary.

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:02:17 EST5EDT
From: "Gina Clayton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: GH/PC- Bob Guza on NWA (spoiler)

I will borrow the space:)  here is some speculation on a spoiler I
heard a while back!

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I have mentioned earlier that I had heard that one of Helena's
henchmen rapes Lizzie.  this would make sense.....

> gives away this one thing about Lizzie's
> rape...He said "a family will implode,
This could be the Cassadines or the Spencers.  Nik would not take it
well if his family is responsible for Liz's rape.  He could certainly
blame his grandmother, but also Stefan because he is supposed to keep
an eye on Helena and try to control her.  After all, he is supposed
to be more powerful.  BUT if Lucky were to find out about the L&L
rape debate, then the family will certainly implode.

>a new romance will blossom and a
this will probally be Nik and Robin.  I doubt they would do that to
Liz and Lucky yet.   But didn't Guza say when he first came on that
he was going to concentrate on the Jason/Robin relationship because
he likes them together??  Could this mean someone else??  who??

> previous rivalry will turn into a war.
Cassadine vs. Spencer....duh! (everything in PC revolves around it)

> So I guess what I thought first off were, in order. Spencers, Robin and Nik
> and the Spencer vs. Cassadine war. But I dont know, seems a bit
> obvious...or this could just be my disdain for the thought of Robin and Nik
> together...Any other thoughts?>
so far i agree with you excpet the imploding family could go either
way, but from the looks of it, the Spencers will implode!!

gina
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:18:27 -0500
From: Cagey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: GH/PC: GH/PC- Bob Guza on NWA (spoiler)

At 03:32 PM 2/18/98 -0800, Mike Boychuk wrote:
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Any concrete news about a return for either of them?

>But I dont know, seems a bit obvious...or this could
>just be my disdain for the thought of Robin and Nik together

It *does* seem obvious, doesn't it?

I'm not sure I have an opinion on Robin and Nik, though.  I can't stand
Sarah, and it's obvious that Nik is going to be in town for quite a while,
so I suppose the Robin/Nik angle had to be tried.  I wonder how Jason would
react...

I'm constantly bewildered by ages, btw.  Just how old are these characters
supposed to be?  It doesn't really matter, but I'm just curious.

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:23:25 PST
From: "Julie Saker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: GH/PC: Re:  GH/PC- Bob Guza on NWA (spoiler)

mike wrote: (i'm borrowing his spoiler space, becuase there's a full
transcript of guza's remarks below...)


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well, my first thought is thanks for posting this, because it inspired
me to go check pc online, SURE that someone would have posted a
transcript.  and, sure enough...here it is, in its entirety, along with
my own thoughts on the subject...

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Cindi Rhinehart: Bob, How are you?

Bob Guza: I'm doin' great down here, how are you?

CR: I'm so glad you did this with us. We've only got a few minutes, so I
want to push right thru if I may....Tony Geary said it himself, you
heard him (referring to a clip), he said you're the man to make it
happen. What were your goals when you came back to GH?

BG: Well Cindi, the first thing I wanted to do was to sort of play the
money. You know, I thought we should pit the titans against one another;

[i'm sorry, but we HAVE to send this man a thesaurus...]

you know, that would be the Spencers and the Cassidines, first and
foremost;

[REALLY?  you're kidding?  he likes them?  'cause i wasn't really
sure...  :)]

Jax and Jason,

[now see...THAT, to me, would make for a MUCH more interesting couple
than j&b part 2!  :)]

Bobbi and Carly....I also wanted to re-set the romances, and kind of up
the stakes a little.

CR: Boy, you sure have!

BG: (not hearing) Excuse me?

CR: You sure have!

BG: The main thing we wanted to do was we wanted to kind of return some
of the core characters to the foreground, and in particular that meant
the Quartermaines, for me.

[YEAH!!!!!!!!]

CR: Well -

BG: And the last thing we wanted to do was to make some things happen,
you know, and drive some story, and make alotta incidents and make it so
you couldn't like not watch the show.

CR: ...I'm so hot on GH right now! Here's one of the things I want to
talk about: Sonny's gone.

BG: (laughing) But not forgotten!

CR: Oh, my lord, you should see my e-mail! WHAT does that mean for Jax
and Brenda?

BG: The big obstacle for Jax and Brenda right now is, Is Brenda Over
Sonny?

[you mean it's not ASHLEY?!?  you're KIDDING...  just out of curiosity,
WHY is that woman here???  she is ENTIRELY unnecessary, if you ask
me...]

And Jax and Brenda both know until she is there is no future for them,
and Jax is NOT going to lose out again to Sonny Corinthos!

CR: Now let's talk about comebacks. Is there any official word on
Laura's return?

BG: I've talked to Genie on several occassions, and she's very happy
with the family and being with the kids. I think she's very anxious to
get back, the question is when. And I said to Genie - and you know if
she's got you guys tuned in up there - Anytime, Anywhere, Anyhow!!

CR: Allright. What about rumours that Maurice Bernard may come back for
a Brief Stint?

BG: Boy, I tell you what, Cindi, if he doesn't, they're gonna have to
check ME in to the Brenda Barrett psych ward at GH!

CR: (laughing) I absolutely agree! you know what I say, tho, Bob, as
much as I love Maurice Bernard, I think the role of Sonny is so pivotal
that I would like to see you recast it if he won't come back.

[<gasp> <choke> <sputter>  i'm sorry...WHAT?!?  this woman is on crack.]

BG: Aw, Cindi, perish the thought! NEVER! I couldn't do it! Maurice
Bernard? Some other Sonny Corinthos? Not happenin'!

[<sigh>  THANK you, bob.  best news i've heard in ages...]

CR: Okay! Now....the Liz rape storyline is very dramatic. I've gotten a
huge response from my viewers. Any clues on where it's headed? Now, let
me tell you what I've gotten in my e-mail: First of all, BTW Bob,
when I said you were gonna be on, I got more e-mails about you, being on
the show, and questions they wanted to ask you, than I've ever gotten on
any star.

BG: Oh-h-h, god, tell 'em I love 'em and thank them from the bottom of
my heart.

CR: Well, they love your writing too! Now, what about Tony? A lot of
folks are e-mailing me saying ''Cindi, it's gotta be Tony''.

BG: (slight, slight pause) Yeah?

[oh please...let's not give the man any ideas here.]

CR: Seriously.

BG: Well you know what, Cindi? I'll tell you this much: The 'whodunnit'
part of this story is probably the least important part.

[translation: the rapist is the tin man's evil twin brother.]

Liz's rape is gonna have incredible implications for a whole bunch of
our characters that you don't even realize right now. For instance, out
of this one story, a family is going to implode,

[HAS to be the spencers, especially if they really ARE going to bring up
the luke/laura rape thing.  lucky's gonna FLIP.]

a romance is gonna blossom,

[oh PLEASE don't let this be robin/nik.  and y'know, i don't think it
will be.  i think guza is pretty committed to the whole robin/jason
story still.  MY hope would be lucky/lizzie--even though for years i
wanted lucky/emily.  my ideal situation here?  lucky realizes he's been
drooling after the wrong webber...as does nikolas...lucky pairs up with
lizzie, nik with emily, and sarah gets shipped to bosnia.  hey...a girl
can dream, can't she?  :)]

and what is already an on-going battle is gonna escalate into a
full-blown warfare.

[spencer-cassadine.  we all know guza has a soft spot for that one.]

It's a much bigger story than just two or three characters!

CR: Oh, Bob, you know I love scoop like that! I just love it! Ooh, then
I won't go there! Let's just move on because that's some good stuff
right there and I was going in the wrong direction. Oh, I'm so glad you
told me. Now, we all know that AJ is the father of Carly's baby.
How...Do we have any idea how that's going to play out, at all?

BG: Yeah....the first interesting thing, there's some big stuff coming
up, in fact in about 2 weeks. But Jason, as you can see, is getting
very, VERY involved with this baby, and you're gonna see the lenghts to
which he will go to protect Michael, you'll see exactly what he will do
and exactly what it's gonna mean for the Robin/Carly/Jason triangle.

[ummm, excuse me....the robin/carly/jason triangle?  WHAT triangle???
jason doesn't love carly--carly doesn't love jason--by definition,
THERE'S NO TRIANGLE HERE.  if anything, it's a robin/jason/MICHAEL
triangle.  puh-LEEZE tell me that's not where we're headed with this?]

CR: Oh, interesting. Oh, and one last quick thing: Carly and Bobbi...I
understand they are eventually going to get together.

BG: Yeah! in the year 2012 we're projecting right now!

[based on the rate that this story has progressed...that's just about
right.]

CR: (laughs) I'm lovin' it! Bob, we're out of time and I know how busy
you are right now, and I really appreciate you taking a couple of
minutes with us. I'm gonna come down in March, and stop by and say
'hi'.

BG: Do it, Cindi, I look forward to it.

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that's it for me for now!

julie


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