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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:36:55 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Aubrey mixes

On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 12:53:43AM -0400, Jason Bilsky wrote:

>> The US version of The Aubrey Mixes was only in print for one day.  I
>> don't remember the specifics as to why this happened.  It was
>> re-released in the for a short time in the UK in '94 I think.  Is there
>> someone who cares to  elaborate a bit more on the subject?
>
> Actually, you have it reversed. The UK version was in print for one day.
> Caroline Released it in the US shortly after that, and it was easy t0
> find for a while, but was taken out of print after a few months.

Don is right that there was a less-limited UK repressing in 1994, though.

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:11:23 -0500
From: Don Gagen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) FW: Aubrey mixes

$58 is the current bid.

    The Orb: Aubry Mixes: The Ultraworld Excursions US CD (Caroline
CAROL 1717-2)

> "Don't make me angry.  You wouldn't like me when I'm angry."
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>
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:21:31 -0700
From: "Kim Rask" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoff

> From: [e-mail]
> Does anyone have any new info about the upcoming US release of UFoff?
>
> I really want to get the double disc version, but am reluctant to pay so
> much for it now.
>
> Since it's a bonus disc, the US release could be as cheap as $12.
> That's a big difference.

I'm curious, where in the US can you get *any* new CD for only $12 let
alone a limited 2 disk release?

Kim

on now - Sheriff Lindo, wicked dub from Australia!


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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:32:37 -0500
From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) US UFoff

I'm curious, where in the US can you get *any* new CD for only $12 let
alone a limited 2 disk release?


Well.......There is a store here(Starship Records and Tapes) that has EVERY CD for $11.99

And another (Best Buy) that has all for $12.99

Then you have BlockBuster Music that has it for $16.99

hmmmmmmmmmmm.........




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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:11:51 -0400
From: chicken <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) new orb track?

from music news of the world:

The Earthdance organization (http://www.earthdance.org) has also released a
double-CD set, Bedouin (The Sheets), featuring dance and ambient tracks by
trance-artists Banco De Gaia, the Orb, Loop Guru and
System 7. The Orb even recorded a new track specifically for the
compilation, which Orb frontman Alex Patterson described as "a very earthy
African track with some piano."

on the site http://www.earthdance.org/test/index2.htm
it lists:
The Orb - Bedouin (The Sheiks Film mix)
oh well, cool for those who don't have orbscure trax or herb garden tape yet
but why did alex say it was a new track?


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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:34:05 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Little Fluffy Clouds

On Wed, Oct 07, 1998 at 05:27:58PM -0500, Chad Nicholas Stracensky wrote:

> I just heard yesterday that island uk has decided to make the LFC promo a
> major single release.

For what it's worth, the promo guy at Island UK who's been providing us with
content for www.theorb.com refers to this as "bunkum of the highest order".

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 01:52:47 +0000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoff

- -- Begin original message --

> I'm curious, where in the US can you get *any* new CD for only $12 let
> alone a limited 2 disk release?

- -- End original message --

Well, just about all the places I shop at sell new releases for around
$11.99.  Since this is a BONUS disc, it shouldn't be sold as a 2 disc
set (I got the DJ Shadow disc (preemptive strike) w/bonus disc for $12).

If you pay much more for a new release... maybe you should go to some
different stores... even commercial ones like Best Buy are pretty cheap.

Alright folks, lets start hearing some reviews of UFoff!

Talk L8r

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:19:33 +0300 (EEST)
From: Dan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoff

On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> Well, just about all the places I shop at sell new releases for around
> $11.99.  Since this is a BONUS disc, it shouldn't be sold as a 2 disc

Man, i get so tired of hearing this shit.. anyone else in the northeast
(even cities) like me notice that no place sells new cd's for under $15 or
$16?  the small specialty shops are even more expensive since most are
rare as hell imports.. plus to my knowledge there's no best buy up here..
i've certainly never seen one in my travels..

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:21:55 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) new orb track?

On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 01:11:51PM -0400, chicken wrote:

> The Earthdance organization (http://www.earthdance.org) has also released a
> double-CD set, Bedouin (The Sheets), featuring dance and ambient tracks by
> trance-artists Banco De Gaia, the Orb, Loop Guru and
> System 7. The Orb even recorded a new track specifically for the
> compilation, which Orb frontman Alex Patterson described as "a very earthy
> African track with some piano."
>
> on the site http://www.earthdance.org/test/index2.htm
> it lists:
> The Orb - Bedouin (The Sheiks Film mix)
> oh well, cool for those who don't have orbscure trax or herb garden tape yet
> but why did alex say it was a new track?

I didn't see Alex claiming it was a new track, I saw their promo blurb claim
it was a new track and quote Alex with a description.  Sounds like a fine
distinction, but you have to realize, these are marketing materials we're
talking about here. :-)

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:28:46 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoff

On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 09:21:31AM -0700, Kim Rask wrote:

> I'm curious, where in the US can you get *any* new CD for only $12 let
> alone a limited 2 disk release?

Here in Albuquerque, we used to have a Best Buy basically right across the
street from a Media Play (Musicland's attempt at standalone
music/book/video/software stores).  Boy, let me tell you, with those two
battling it out with each other you could get just about any damn thing you
cared to name for $11 or $12.

Of course, then Media Play closed down because they couldn't make any money
selling CDs at those prices...and Best Buy immediately started hiking things
up to the $13-$15 range.  And over the last six months Best Buy's selection
has gone right into the shitter.

I wish Tower would get off their asses and open a store here, 'cause right now
the best CD store in town is Circuit City -- a pretty pathetic situation
*before* they started eating into the floor plan of their CD section with DVDs
and (yuck) DIVX...

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 14:33:21 -0400
From: Adam J Weitzman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoff

Dan wrote:

> Man, i get so tired of hearing this shit.. anyone else in the
> northeast (even cities) like me notice that no place sells new
> cd's for under $15 or $16?  the small specialty shops are
> even more expensive since most are rare as hell imports.

Well, no imports ever sell for $12 a pop anywhere.  But general domestic
releases, sure.  Newbury Comics, a small (15 or 20 stores) chain in New
England (which, last time I checked, qualified as northeast), sells loads of
CDs for $12 a pop, and they stock lotsa kool indie labels and techno stuff.
New releases and top 100 are always pretty cheap there.  I got the 2CD DJ
Shadow _Preemptive_Strike_ for $11.88 there.  And their "$3 off" coupons are
ubiquitous (you can download them from http://www.newbury.com if you desire).
Their imports are steep, but no steeper than Tower or HMV usually (no
Blockbuster Music or Virgin Megastore around here).

> plus to my knowledge there's no best buy up here..

I've seen ads on TV implying that they're coming to New England soon.

One thing I do know is that many people outside the US really hate hearing
Americans bitch about CD prices, because the prices wherever they are (Europe,
Canada, Japan, etc.) are considerably higher.  Consider yourself lucky.

- --
Adam J Weitzman
NewsEdge Corporation           Is it supposed to
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:36:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoff

> I'm curious, where in the US can you get *any* new CD for only $12 let
> alone a limited 2 disk release?

    There;s this super dope store in the Boston area called Newbury
Comics that had all new releases and top 50 for $11.88 and every sunday
they have cupons for $3 off any cd regularly priced 12.99 or more, so you
usually wont pay more than $3 for any new cd, unless its normally a
double. Supposedly the double versions are supposed to be the same price,
but this is not often the case....



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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:38:14 EST5EDT
From: "Vince Frank" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoff

> Man, i get so tired of hearing this shit.. anyone else in the northeast
> (even cities) like me notice that no place sells new cd's for under $15 or
> $16?  the small specialty shops are even more expensive since most are
> rare as hell imports.. plus to my knowledge there's no best buy up here..
> i've certainly never seen one in my travels..

===>Dude, I can feel your pain.  Most of the "big name" stores
(I'm thinking along the lines of Camelot, the Wall, Coconuts,
Sam Goody, etc.) are ridiculously expensive.  The Wall is by
far the worst in my area.  Coconuts is the cheapest.  For
example, a brand new cd (NOT on sale) at Coconuts will be
anywhere from $14.99 to $16.99...the SAME cd at The Wall
would range from $17.00 to $19.99!

Granted, if I travel 45 miles northeast to State College,
Pennsylvania, there are a few outlets of a local(?) chain
called Mike's Music & Movies (r Mike's Moveis & Music),
where (they claim) MOST cds are $11.99.

First, this isn't necessarily the case--I was just there a few
weeks ago, and saw PLENTY of cds above that.  Second,
that doesn't really help me at all, since I travel to State
College maybe once every couple months--and it's usually
NOT just to browse cd stores.

The point:  I must concur that many of us AREN'T fortunate
enough to live in an area in which there is adequate
competition--and hence, lower (read as:  reasonable) prices.

Hey--if any record company/record chain execs are paying
attention (and I DOUBT SERIOUSLY that any are...or
would even care, for that matter), THAT is the main reason
I don't purchase new cds from new groups and artists.  In
fact, the only cds I HAVE been purchasing over the past
several years are those that I already had on cassette.  (A
SLIGHT exaggeration only, I assure you.).  And believe you
me:  I'm NOT the only one!  I mean, why would I want to
shell out nearly $20 for something I'm not even sure I'll
listen to, when I can replace my decaying cassette copy
of something I KNOW I'll listen to over and over again?

I'm no wiz at economics or marketing or anything, but I would
almost guarantee that if Those In Power would reduce their
prices by 1/3 (33 percent), they would see a sales increase
which would be MORE than that....

Also, folks:  Why is there such a ridiculous disparity between
the prices of cassettes and cds?  It costs LESS to manufacture
a cd than a cassette, but they charge MORE for the friggin'
cd!  (Correct me if I'm wrong!)

But I guess things could be worse, huh?

Sorry, I had to vent.  (I'm digressing into my old ultra-
left tendencies...blah!)  ;-)

Later!

Vince


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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:41:12 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoff

On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 02:33:21PM -0400, Adam J Weitzman wrote:

> One thing I do know is that many people outside the US really hate hearing
> Americans bitch about CD prices, because the prices wherever they are
> (Europe, Canada, Japan, etc.) are considerably higher.  Consider yourself
> lucky.

The fact that Person A is smacking Person B with a ball peen hammer does not
take away my right to complain when Person C smacks me with a metal drafting
ruler instead. :-)

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:44:01 -0600
From: Lazlo Nibble <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoffTopic

On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 02:38:14PM +0000, Vince Frank wrote:

> Also, folks:  Why is there such a ridiculous disparity between
> the prices of cassettes and cds?  It costs LESS to manufacture
> a cd than a cassette, but they charge MORE for the friggin'
> cd!

Yeah, because people will pay more for the friggin' CD.  That's how things
*work* in a free market.

(We're talking about CDs here, not food or some other life necessity, so I
don't really think there's any moral component to it...)

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 15:02:18 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoff

         SKIDOO HERE,
         SENDING THIS TO EVERYONE, IF YOUR IN THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT CD'S
           AND CASSETTE BEING SO EXPENSIVE.  I AGREE, THAT'S WHY I GO FOR
       THE VINYL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   THERE'S  A COUPLE OF USED STORES HEREIN
SAN
         ANTONIO THAT SELL ROWS OF VINYL FOR .98 CENTS.  IT'S LOTS OF OLD
         STUFF USALLY, BUT YOU CAN FIND STUFF LIKE 12" VERSION OF BLUE
         ROOM AND THE KLF SOMETMES.
        BY THE WAY I KNOW SOMEONE HERE IN S.A. THAT WORKS IN THE MAIN  '
        INDIE RECORD SHOP.  HE FOUND THE 'KISS EP''(YES THE FIRST ORB
         SINGLE, 1000 COPIES AND ALL THAT) HE IS GONNA TAPE IT FOR ME TO VHS
        I CAN COPY DOWN FROM THAT.
         (THIS IS GONNA GET ME TOO MUCH E-MAIL, BUT OH WELL.)
        IF YOU'RE INTERESTED JUST E-MAIL ME A SHORT LETTER STATING THE
        RECORDING YOU WANT. (NOW YOU GUYS WANT 3 THINGS I CAN GET) I AM
        MAKING A LIST OF THESE PEOPLE IN MY ADDRESS BOOK.
     I CAN ALSO GET (FROM THE SAME PERSON) A RECORDING OF THE 'ORB
       REMIXES OF "HOTEL CALIFORNIA" BY 'JAM ON THE MUTHA'  HE HAS BOTH
        THE ORIGINAL 12" AND THE REMIXES FEAT. THE ORB
        (NEXT E-MAIL WON'T BE UPPER CASE)
      ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET A COPY OF 'BLUE PEARL'S' ORB REMIX
        12"?  I LIKE YOUTH SOOOOO MUCH!!!!!!!!
    HOW 'BOUT YOU SMILEY??????
SKIDOO getting 'OUT'



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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:09:55 -0500
From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) US UFoff

=3D=3D=3D>Dude, I can feel your pain.  Most of the "big name" stores
(I'm thinking along the lines of Camelot, the Wall, Coconuts,
Sam Goody, etc.) are ridiculously expensive.  The Wall is by
far the worst in my area.  Coconuts is the cheapest.  For
example, a brand new cd (NOT on sale) at Coconuts will be
anywhere from $14.99 to $16.99...the SAME cd at The Wall
would range from $17.00 to $19.99!

This could go on and on. Bottom line is..........I would be happy to pay =
even $20-25 for it NOW instead of having to wait another 3 weeks for the =
US release, or $33 for the import!!!!!!!!!!




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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 13:53:52 -0600 (MDT)
From: Mike Bailey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoff

>         SKIDOO HERE,

...

>    HOW 'BOUT YOU SMILEY??????


Ouch, serious eye pain.  Only with eye plugs, you can't see.  General
shouting cease-fire?  :)

Mike



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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:03:35 -0500
From: Don Gagen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Aubrey Mixes Auction

The Orb: Aubry Mixes: The Ultraworld Excursions US CD (Caroline CAROL
1717-2)

The current bid is $65

"Don't make me angry.  You wouldn't like me when I'm angry."
D. Banner

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 23:16:36 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orb) NME : LX Interview Oct10, 1998

Another LX interview. Is it really worth it ? Bah...

Q : What song describes you best ?
A : 'Towers of dub' by us, because it has all the elements : ambient, dub,
manicness and samples. And humour.

Q : What is heaven ?
A : A path through hell.

Q : What is hell ?
A : It's a place on earth. Where ? In one's soul. Heaven is in your soul as
well; it depends on which path you want to make.

Q : What is your earliest memory ?
A : Having a piece of silver paper being taken out of my nose with a pair
of tweezers by my dad when I was about one.

Q : What is your greatest fear ?
A : Fear.

Q : What is your all-time hero ?
A : Colin Wilson. He writes books on fiction, fact, crime, sort of pre-X
Files mysteries from the 60's. He's written my favorite book, The
Philosopher's stone, which is about trepanning and using the brain to lever
itself into different dimensions, as opposed to using drugs.

Q : What's the worst trouble you've been in ?
A : A recent time was last week-end when I got arrested by the Spanish
police in Vigo for being an Ecstasy dealer with a mobile phone on the beach
the previous night. They picked me up in the middle of the gig. I was taken
away for about 5 hours and then brought back after they got a lawyer in to
sort it out. Otherwise I would've had to stay there all weekend. Thing is,
I wasn't even on the beach, and yet thay said they'd seen me there.

Q : Who was the first love of your life ?
A : Annette. We went out for nearly 6 years.

Q : What's your greatest talent ?
A : At the minute, DJing. I like the instant gratification- if you're shit,
the crowd'll let you know. But when they're happy, you're happy.

Q : Upon whom you most like to exact revenge ? Why ? How ?
A : Unprintable. I'd get sued. But you know who you are.

Q : What's your most treasured possession ?
A : My two terrapins. Fascinating creatures.

Q : What have you most regretted doing while drunk ?
A : Swinging from balcony to balcony, 20 floors up somewhere in Spain. Or
in Germany, when I set fire to a hotel door. I thought that would be the
easiest way in.

Q : What can you cook ?
A : Pastas, sauces - vegetarian food, really.

Q : What's the best piece of advice you've received ?
A : It's all in the mind.

Q : Can you read music ?
A : No.

Q : If you were invisible for a day, what would you do ?
A : I'm reading a comic at the moment called The Invisibles, and in it
there's a secret force of invisible people who go around protecting the
good from evil on Earth. Maybe I'd become one of them.

Q : What are your final 3 wishes ?
A : I'd have a big brandy, a spliff, and somewhere nice like Scotland to
scatter my ashes. My fourth wish before that would be to be a DJ in a hotel
foyer in outer space. It's just got to be done.

Questions by Piers Martin.

In this issue, you also have a great ad for UF OFF (Launch this week), and
a review about LFC promos.

"Limited edition worth storming Island HQ for it if your local specialist
store can't assist. Pal Joey, Adam Freeland and One True Parker just about
scrape by with their house, breakbeat and electronica versions, but New
Yorker Danny Tenaglia embraces the unenviable task of revamping perhaps
ambient's finest moment with monumental gusto, blasting it to the core of
the stormy, narco-disco style which Manhattan clubbers have taken to
calling K (aka the drug Ketamine) house on his 'Detour mix'."

That's all for today...

Oh, yes, in the Q Last Issue, there's a good review of U F OFF with an old
(never seen before for me) picture of Thrash and Lx. But I didn't buy it.

JCFromParis

On now : High llamas - Reflections in a plastic glass (3 point remix)




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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 14:25:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gregor Menasian <[e-mail]>
Subject: CD Prices - was Re: (orb) US UFoff

On Thu, 8 Oct 1998, Lazlo Nibble wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 02:33:21PM -0400, Adam J Weitzman wrote:
> > One thing I do know is that many people outside the US really hate hearing
> > Americans bitch about CD prices, because the prices wherever they are
> > (Europe, Canada, Japan, etc.) are considerably higher.  Consider yourself
> > lucky.
>
> The fact that Person A is smacking Person B with a ball peen hammer does not
> take away my right to complain when Person C smacks me with a metal drafting
> ruler instead. :-)

Indeed - there was actually some sort of class-action lawsuit against the
major CD manufacturers since CD production and packaging costs have fallen
from >$3 each when they were first introduced to <$.25 each now, yet
retail prices have risen by >30% in the same time period!

Does anyone know what became of this lawsuit?

Isn't it interesting how you can pay $16.99 for a new CD album at a mall
store, and only $3.99 for a CD single which has just as much music on it
when they both cost exactly the same amount of money to produce?

And then there are CD clubs, which end up only charging you between $2 and
$5 per CD when you take the membership deal into account!  And it's often
the exact same CD you buy in the mall, although sometimes they are
manufactured by the CD club to decrease costs slightly...

In the US, we have to pay an average of $9-$10 for import singles, which
aparently cost the equivalent of $3-$4 (less than US CD singles) when
first released in the UK... Price gouging due to higher percieved value
perhaps?

It now costs a lot more to manufacture casettes than CDs even before the
casettes are recorded, yet prerecorded casettes retail for less than CDs.

What's even more interesting is that videotapes are much more complicated
internally and include a lot more and higher quality tape than audio
casettes, yet they cost significantly less!

Movies on videotape can be purchased for less than the cost of a CD which
has a shorter running length, and doesn't include an image!

There are obviously some marketing geniuses calculating exactly how much
money they can squeeze out of different types of consumers for each kind
of media by creating a false perception of high value in the mind of said
consumer!

Back to the original question:
For you East coasters, when I lived in NJ, Nobody Beats The Wiz had pretty
amazing prices on new CDs, and a decent selection, but that was a few
years ago.

- -Gregor




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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 17:11:36 -0500
From: "John Goerner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Fw: CD Prices - was Re: (orb) US UFoff

>It now costs a lot more to manufacture casettes than CDs even before the
>casettes are recorded, yet prerecorded casettes retail for less than CDs.
>There are obviously some marketing geniuses calculating exactly how much
>money they can squeeze out of different types of consumers for each kind
>of media by creating a false perception of high value in the mind of said
>consumer!


If you want commodity items, try buying soybeans, corn or pork bellies.

I believe the concept is that you are purchasing the music, not the cd.
Otherwise just go out and buy a hunk of plastic for that $0.25.  The only
way cd prices will come down is if people dont buy them at the current
prices.  We know that prices could fall if there was a reason for that to
happen.

Of course its unfortunate when there are things that one wants to buy.  But
thats what mp3's are for, isnt it?

john goerner
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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:24:43 +0000
From: Jeff Abshire <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) US UFoff

> > Well, just about all the places I shop at sell new releases for around
> > $11.99.  Since this is a BONUS disc, it shouldn't be sold as a 2 disc
>
> Man, i get so tired of hearing this shit.. anyone else in the northeast
> (even cities) like me notice that no place sells new cd's for under $15 or
> $16?  the small specialty shops are even more expensive since most are
> rare as hell imports.. plus to my knowledge there's no best buy up here..
> i've certainly never seen one in my travels..

Yeah, I never see new cd's for under $15 unless it's a blowout sale or
something.
Maybe it's because I'm on the East Coast, and near a couple of
metropolitan areas at that...

But I doubt it.

- --
Jeff

"Bond reflected that good Americans were fine people and that most of
them
seemed to come from Texas."
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:49:59 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orb) Cheap CD's

 I'm curious, where in the US can you get *any* new CD for only $12 let
alone a limited 2 disk release?

Kim

 In NYC we have a store called Discorama on w 4th st. and all new CD's are
9.99 and with  a coupon from the NY Press, they are only 8.99. The newer
things are in limited quantities and you usually have to get there early on
TUESDAY to get them. I got my 2 CD UFORB there. ( a long time ago ). I got
AHEB single there recently for 5.00, but it was the last one. I bet there are
stores all over that have this stuff, but you just have to dig really deep.
  There is a thrift shop here and all records are 1.00. When they get over
stocked, the stuff goes for 25 cents.This year some guy donated 7,000 12"
singles and albums to it.  One day I got 4 orb 12"s for a dollar a piece. I
almost died. They were Blue Room, Perpetual Dawn (U.S.), Blue Room Promo (Pro
1009-1), and Assassin all in mint condition. (Please don't email me to sell
these.)   -- -- - -- - - -- -  - -- - - Chris in NYC - - - -- - -- -- - - -
- --- - - -- - -


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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 18:10:34 -0700
From: lkjk ytryt <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Thanks to Steve Mowbray

A special thank you to Steve Mowbray for the info he supplied on Fopp
Record shop.  I received my limited edition "UFOrb" 3xLP and "A Huge
Ever Growing..." original cd single in the mail today.  What a find, and
a virgin copy at that.  I know what I'll be spinning during my ambient
set at IBIZA West tomorrow night.

Cheers,

Edward



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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:16:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Gavin Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Orb Video Archive

Hello. I am looking for everything ever televised, videotaped, given
away, etc. that has Orb footage on it. I am trying to make an Orb
video, and all I have is

Pinkpop Water festival 1994  12 min
(live performance of Perpetual Dawn & Towers Of Dub)

Rock & Roll Documentary # 10  3 min
(Interview with Alex)

VW New Beetle AD   30 sec.

Promo Videos:  33 min(approx)
Perpetual Dawn
Little Fluffy Clouds
Blue Room
Towers Of Dub
Pomme Fritz
Oxbow Lakes
Toxygene
Asylum

I know of Assassin promo, Blue Room (Top of the Pops),
Little Fluffy Clouds (BBC Tv 4).
I am not looking for original copies, but any live, promo, interview,
newsclip... anybody is willing to copy to trade. Format is not
important, but if anybody is willing to help, I would greatly
appreciate it.
Gavin


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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:20:45 -0400
From: Kenny Jenkins <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Cheap CD's

[e-mail] wrote:

>  I'm curious, where in the US can you get *any* new CD for only $12 let
> alone a limited 2 disk release?
>
> Kim
>
>  In NYC we have a store called Discorama on w 4th st. and all new CD's are
> 9.99 and with  a coupon from the NY Press, they are only 8.99. The newer
> things are in limited quantities and you usually have to get there early on
> TUESDAY to get them. I got my 2 CD UFORB there. ( a long time ago ). I got
> AHEB single there recently for 5.00, but it was the last one. I bet there are
> stores all over that have this stuff, but you just have to dig really deep.
>   There is a thrift shop here and all records are 1.00. When they get over
> stocked, the stuff goes for 25 cents.This year some guy donated 7,000 12"
> singles and albums to it.  One day I got 4 orb 12"s for a dollar a piece. I
> almost died. They were Blue Room, Perpetual Dawn (U.S.), Blue Room Promo (Pro
> 1009-1), and Assassin all in mint condition. (Please don't email me to sell
> these.)   -- -- - -- - - -- -  - -- - - Chris in NYC - - - -- - --

you tell em, even in parkslope brooklyn, we've got a local store that puts most
new CDs out at 12.98/13 bucks, even with the bonus disks,
its out there...



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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 17:30:08 +1000
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orb) S.E.'s aaah! CD

To the guy wanting to buy Sun Electric's EXCELLENT aaah! CD, check out
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/1087/RECORDS.HTM

Some guy posted his for sale list url on the idm mailing-list and he's
sellling aaah! for $15.

I hope that helps and sorry to the rest of the list sunscribers but i'd
already trashed the last digest and cleaned out the trash too.

Regards,

John
Looking forward to hearing the goodies Smiley should be sending my way
very shortly! (Thanks mate you're a legend!! :)





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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 15:04:38 +0200
From: Niko Tzoukmanis <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) ffwd

hi to all of you on the list

questions about 'ffwd': what does it stand for ? 'falconer, fripp,
weston & d' (d for 'lx d.') ? and is the album itself a must ?
i'm an orb fan since '91 when 'adventures beyond the ultraworld' came
out, that was really something new to me, and it actually still is...
but i never knew about ffwd until i saw the info on several orb sites on
the net.

enjoyed my 2xcd set of u.f. off this morning while having my coffee, hey
this pomme fritz remix is really cool. anyone else out there who thinks
that 'banger'n'chips' is an excellent track ?

regards

niko

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URL: http://wwwhoppe.math.uni-augsburg.de/~tzoukman

"Life's too short for boring music"


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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 23:23:26 -0700
From: Jeff Boyd <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Where can I find U.F.Off?!?

Hey,

I live in Sacramento, California, USA, and am wondering where the heck I
can find my own copy of U.F.Off.  I only hope that someone can point me in
the right direction (Berkeley? S.F.?), because I don't want to have to pay
$50 to have somebody mail me a CDR of it.
Can anybody tell me where I can find it?

Thanks,
Jeff
_________________________________
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ICQ: 5914688

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 it makes me wonder
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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:27:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: Michael Bailey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) ffwd

> questions about 'ffwd': what does it stand for ? 'falconer, fripp,
> weston & d' (d for 'lx d.') ? and is the album itself a must ?

If you like the soft, less rhythmic side of the Orb, I would say it's a
must.  If you prefer the heavy bassline, more of a melody side of the Orb,
you might not enjoy it as much.

Mike



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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 08:32:24 -0600 (MDT)
From: Michael Bailey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Cheap CD's

> >  I'm curious, where in the US can you get *any* new CD for only $12 let
> > alone a limited 2 disk release?

In retrospect, this question was just asking all of you out there with
decent stores to rub it in!

Mike



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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:31:34 -0500
From: Chris Kloehr <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Cheap CD's

>>In retrospect, this question was just asking all of you out there with
>>decent stores to rub it in!

Hey - Bottom line.......none of us here in the states can get anything but the import right now, so why the hell are we arguing about it?



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