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From: noraa selim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Uploading LX interviews to OAA
Date: 01 Jun 2001 00:26:22 -0700 (PDT)


I'm currently  uploading 3 interviews:
WMNS interviews Alex and The Sleeper Awakes I & II.
I made them from crappy RM files but I think it's better then nothing. Some of um are kinda intrestin.
O'pe you like them!

-peace out

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orb) LX In Canada
Date: 01 Jun 2001 00:32:34 -0700


Just got back. I went to the show to see the fakie and humiliate him. When I arrived there were signs all over saying there was a confirmed fraud. They offered full refunds or 5 bucks back if you went in to see Paul Walker (or something) who they had just "flown in". There was also a faxed release from Orb management at the refund desk- one of which I snagged. It  basically explains the fiasco and how LX (the real one) found out about it while eating dinner in London.  Too lazy right now to transcribe it- I'll scan it if anyone has a pressing need to see it.

Goodnight from sad, sad, sad , dissapointed & sad west coast Canada (Orbless since 1995)

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From: Kael Driscoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) LX In Canada
Date: 01 Jun 2001 15:43:05 +0800


absolutley amazing... thanks for the story... i imagine the faker was pretty
freaked out when he realised the game was up... i wish you had got to
personally confront him, that would have been great!

I have often wondered about the faking of dj's (who are often pretty
faceless) esp. in a small place like australia.... now I know that it CAN
HAPPEN!

p.s. does anyone else have messgaes just never making it to the list? I sent
one that had no quotes and no swearing and it didn't make it. my test did.
and then oobe's post full of swearing and quotes made it... whats going on?



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (orb) I love Serge Gainsbourg (orb remix)
Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:41:25 +0100


I think JC posted about this a few months ago.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 10:30:13 +0100


>>protesting capitalism

yeah, weren't they the same people that stole the tills from Micky D's? Was
I alone in seeing the Irony in that?

Bit like the Crusties who protested the Newbury Bypass that got there by
Car/Bus using the Bypass......



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From: Paul Ketley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) (non-orb) NWO crappage
Date: 01 Jun 2001 02:45:44 -0700 (PDT)


Pity this but...

The Kyoto Agreement should've been sponsored by
Microsoft as the moment it came into existance it was
out of date.

George W. Bush will do for Alaska what the crew of the
Exxon Valdez could only dream about.

This list amazes me.  Somebody in the States actually
backing-up George W.  A bit like someone over here
actually liking Mrs. Th****** or visiting Prague and
eating at McD****** in Wensclas Square.

Paul.

np Aphex Twin Windowlicker

"Hey Bill, d'ya think tha aliens will save us?", Bill
Hicks (RIP).

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From: Paul Ketley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Red Worm Thanks
Date: 01 Jun 2001 02:52:34 -0700 (PDT)


Thanks to everyone who told me where to find the "Red
Worm" track.

Cheers,

Paul.

nr "The Dictionary of the Khazars" by Milorad Pavic
(female edition).

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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) I love Serge Gainsbourg (orb remix)
Date: 01 Jun 2001 11:09:31 +0100 (BST)


> I'm sure JC would jump in here if he wasn't getting
> married right now! ;)

well, that was last weekend, but he has gone very
quiet! i'm going over for a garden party / reception
this weekend, so i hope he's there when i turn up! ;-)

> There is a compilation called "I Love Serge" which
> contains *remixes* of Serge Gainsbourg (I have no
> idea who that is) songs. It just came out a few
> months ago, and its a really fabulous album.

and, while others are on a bit of an argumentative
tip, can i just ask - and this isn't aimed at the
original poster, or any of the older boys and girls
here, by the way - but:

1. why do some people NEVER seem to pay attention to
what people post to the list anymore?

2. why do some people seem to NEVER actually buy any
commonly-available new remixes and stuff?

maybe i'm just becoming an old fart, and things have
moved on "since my day"...???

anyway, argue amongst yourselves - i'm off to catch
the Eurostar.

l8rs... ;-)




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From: "Dark Eyed Kid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) BadfeckinOrb.feckincom
Date: 01 Jun 2001 11:03:17 +0100


Right!
What's goin on here? Is it now up and running? Has anyone been able to order
anything? If so please tell me how it's done. It really is a bag of shite.

Can u tell i'm angry?

G




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From: Paul Ketley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) (non-orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 05:22:09 -0700 (PDT)


To Vince (et al),

Since when have the NWO been socialist?

Then again - knowing the US - your dictionaries have
had the wrong definition since the McCarthy era.

George W. Bush's first address as president...
"My fellow Americans........
                     ......and people of Florida".

Could be a helluva lot worse...
The Conservatives (Xenophobic Party) could win a
British General Election.

Paul.

nr "The Dictionary of the Khazars" by Milorad Pavic
and "Slovencina Pre Vas" by Ada Bohmerova (Chapter 3 -
Stretnutia a rozhovory)



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From: "Vince Frank" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:12:15 -0500



> Point # 2:
> I said TimC and Vince specifically were guilty of using stereotypes to
> conviently lump everyone into a common pile of easily targeted "enemies".  I
> guess I'll add you to there ilk, since you seem to be even worse at it than
> they are:

===>Ok, perhaps I was wrong to lump everyone together.
However, I used to be involved with environmental groups while
in college, and eventually came to the realization that the
majority of their arguments (to use a grand sweeping
generalization) were based not on logic, but rather, emotion,
and half-understood (and usually skewed) scientific evidence.

> I'm not trying to tell you what's good for YOU.  I'm trying to tell you
> what's good for OTHERS.  I'm trying to keep assholes like yourself from
> fucking up the world for the benefit of myself and my children.  People who
> live with abandon, wantonly polluting, wasting, without a care or second
> thought are the people that are the problem.

===>I'm pretty sure that the earth is not going to fall to pieces.
Just let me ask this:  is the earth cleaner today than it was in
the 1970s?

> First, look up the word "morality" in your dictionary.  Second, save your
> "they're coming for my guns and my freedoms!!" bullshit.  Try living in Cuba
> or China and then let's talk about the limits on your freedoms, you
> disgusting piece of shit.

===>Well, what Brian and I are opposed to is becoming like
Cuba and China.  The U.S. finally voted out of office an
administration which was "buddy-buddy" with China--even
willing to sell our nuclear secrets and missiles to them.
China is a country which will massacre its own people
when they want change.  (Granted, the U.S. Justice
Department was really no better under the Clinton
administration.)

> : You can tell me my thoughts are cynical, that I am simple-minded and
> : selfish.  I'll tell you: You are DAMNED right I'm selfish.
>
> Wow, such virtuous attributes.  You must be proud.  By the way, how's Rush
> Limbaugh doing these days?  Tell him I said hello.

===>Only when people are permitted to be selfish does
true progress occur.  This is why capitalism is superior to
socialism.  This is why the United States and other capitalist
nations are so technologically advanced, and the standard of
living for their citizens is so high, and countries like China,
Cuba, and the former Soviet Union are still in the fuckin'
dark ages.  Do you think China and Cuba could have invented
the internet, the automobile, the television, the telephone, etc.?
Money is a MUCH better motivator than a gun in one's back.
When I work on behalf of *myself* (which is, by definition, selfish),
I produce much more than I would if I were working on
behalf of *the people*.  If money is the reward, then I will
work hard.  If there *is* no incentive, then I'll only do what
I am forced to, and no more--I then become unproductive.
Again, I need only point to the communist nations to prove
that.

> Scientific evidence about what you asshole?!!  FUCK! YOU FUCKING PEOPLE ACT
> LIKE IT'S MY REPONSIBILITY TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE SHIT YOU ARE FUCKING UP!
> Geezus! Why don't you get off your bong-smoking, cheeto-munching, lazy candy
> ass and look up your own research, asshead?

===>Wow!  Calm down!  I am PROUD to say that I have never
done any illicit drugs, nor do I ever intend to.  (And what the
hell's wrong with Cheetos?)  ;-)

> :Objectivity, people :)
>
> Brian, you are a submental midget.  Just shut the fuck up unless you have
> any idea what the fuck you are talking about.

===>Actually, Brian, I believe, *does* know what he's talking
about.  You just happen to disagree with what he is saying,
which is fine.

Vince



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From: Tim Baker <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) The Orb?
Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:25:38 -0400 (EDT)


Hey, remember when this list used to be about the Orb
and not debating about political systems?

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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) greenhouse crappage
Date: 01 Jun 2001 10:56:22 -0400 (EDT)


> --spearman waving flag that BUSH decided to vote for autonomy rather than
> the NWO (for once)

    What is this new world order I've heard people speaking of? And is
being autonomous a virtue in its own right? I don't see how...



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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) (non-orb) NWO crappage
Date: 01 Jun 2001 11:00:10 -0400 (EDT)


> This list amazes me.  Somebody in the States actually
> backing-up George W.  A bit like someone over here

    Yeah well something like 47% percent of the population actually
voted for the man. You know that at least SOME of them must actually
geniunely like the man... :)



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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 11:44:21 -0400 (EDT)



    I just _had_ to jump into this one. Lets just say I took the bait.
:)

> ===>Ok, perhaps I was wrong to lump everyone together.
> However, I used to be involved with environmental groups while
> in college, and eventually came to the realization that the
> majority of their arguments (to use a grand sweeping
> generalization) were based not on logic, but rather, emotion,
> and half-understood (and usually skewed) scientific evidence.

    This isn't a problem with environmentalists only my friend. This
is more or less a disease of the human race (not to make sweeping
generalizations or anything :P)... Human beings are ALWAYS more willing to
take action and argue and whatnot based on how they feel about the facts
rather than the facts themselves; if you have no emotions about a topic,
you pretty much don't care about it. :) The problem lies in the fact that
people often have strong emotions based on flawed views of the facts. Or
they just allow themselves to be ruled by their emotions.

    The other problem is that scientific evidence is usually not
conclusive. You try and study a system as complex as our environment and
end up saying something like 'This stuff that we do has this direct result
on the earth.' But the problem is its not always that simple. I mean, how
many times have you seen a study come out that shows the exact oposite of
what another study in the same area showed? The fact is that the
scientific process consists of experiments, and experiments are a limited
view of a larger system. Sometime they're good, and sometimes they just
plain suck, eg: The 'You are 50 times more likely to do cocaine if you've
smoked marijuana first.' study.

> ===>I'm pretty sure that the earth is not going to fall to pieces.

    Good point! I love trying to explain this to people. HUMAN BEINGS
DO NOT (currently) HAVE THE ABILITY TO DESTROY ALL LIFE ON THE PLANET. The
only way we could do this is by either ruining the earth's orbit or
blocking out/destroying the sun. Even if we had nuclear war and we wiped
out everything except for some little bacteria and microbes in the south
pole, that's already like 50 steps from the beginning! Its already
self-replicating competing DNA-based fucking life! :)

> Just let me ask this:  is the earth cleaner today than it was in
> the 1970s?

    Or in the 30's? Or pretty much any time since the rise of human
civilization? Hell, cavemen only spent like 20 hours a week MAX working.
The rest of the time they could do whatever the hell they wanted; fuck,
eat, explore, take drugs, whatever! In a super clean little ecosystem. O
well. :)

> ===>Well, what Brian and I are opposed to is becoming like
> Cuba and China.

    Yeah but do you really think this will happen? Change happens
slowly, that's the way it works (at least when its successful). If we were
to end up like that it would be something that happens over a really long
time. And having been to both cuba and china, I can say that there are
some advantages to living in either country... And many disadvantages to
living here. The US is hardly the end all be all of socio-economic models.

    In cuba everyone gets free really yummy cake and ice cream every
weekend. Cuba is super laid back. Its poor as hell tho...

    Just trying to keep shit in perspective. :P

> The U.S. finally voted out of office an
> administration which was "buddy-buddy" with China--even
> willing to sell our nuclear secrets and missiles to them.
> China is a country which will massacre its own people
> when they want change.  (Granted, the U.S. Justice
> Department was really no better under the Clinton
> administration.)

    Hey, glad to see you're able to keep things in perspective too! :)
I dunno, on the one hand, yeah china is fucked up and has its problems,
but is it our place to go in and try and change their society? If they
want to change I think its going to have to be something that's based from
inside the country. As much as I think america could help china socially,
how does it look to them, the meddling US coming in and telling them whats
good for them? Doesn't seem too feasable.

    And as far as nuclear secrets? I don't think anyone should have
them. Why is the US to be trusted so much with these weapons? Why do we go
around trying to disarm countries of their weapons when we have BY FAR the
largest collection of them? In a strange way I think we might actually be
safer if every country had the same weapons. At least then we wouldn't
have to squabble over who has the right and who doesn't... :)

> ===>Only when people are permitted to be selfish does
> true progress occur.

    Ahh, but is progress something to laud? :) Back to the caveman
thing again... I mean, we may have televisions and the internet and
whatnot, but we also have the highest rates of people in prison,
perscribed psychiatric drugs, suicides, etc of most countries. PLUS the
only country that works more than us is japan. And what do we have to show
for it? The internet. Woo hoo.

> This is why capitalism is superior to
> socialism.

    The idea behind socialism, as I understand it, is to think
selfishly in terms of the whole race. I mean, for me, my own murder would
be just as wrong as the murder of a homeless man in central america or
some mafia dude in russia. Life is life. And I think we capitolists could
probably learn a lot from the human-race-as-one-individual view of the
world. Other than us, a ton of the most successful animals on the planet
do this. Ants for instance! Did you know that mass-wise, there is as much
ant matter on the planet as human matter? Ants are pretty fucking
successful and they don't have the internet. PLUS, they get to communicate
with pheramones. Can you do that? Can you!? :)

> This is why the United States and other capitalist
> nations are so technologically advanced, and the standard of
> living for their citizens is so high, and countries like China,

    We may have individuals with the highest 'Standard of living' but
we also have lots and lots of people who basically live in thrid world
conditions. Which is more important, that we can show off our smaller rich
population or that we can effectively hide the poor hungry masses? And
standard of living is based on what shit you own right? Last I checked
owning lots of shit doesn't make you happy, necessarily. :)

> Money is a MUCH better motivator than a gun in one's back.

    Yeah but that gun-in-the-back model of socialism wasn't really the
original idea. The problem is that every time anyone has tried to apply
the socialist model wholesale to a country, some selfish dude decides the
people are idiots, cannot be trusted, and takes control of the whole thing
himself. And some socialist stuff is really cool! Socialized medicine? I
mean, do you realize that the united states is the only industrialized
nation that doesn't have socialized medicine?

> When I work on behalf of *myself* (which is, by definition, selfish),

    I think the only way you could make that statement is if you
produce only things which you yourself consume. By the very definition of
working in a society, you are providing goods and or services which are
being utilized by someone else. So you aren't really working for youself.
:) An argument could be made (altho I wont do it now) that you actually
only work for those people to whom you end up giving all of your money.
You have a morgage? You probably do a lot of work for the bank! :)

> I produce much more than I would if I were working on
> behalf of *the people*.

    You can't really make that statement tho. You have no idea how
much you would work under conditions that you have never been in. :)

> If money is the reward, then I will
> work hard.

    So basically you like money. :)

> If there *is* no incentive, then I'll only do what
> I am forced to, and no more--I then become unproductive.

    What about survival? Does that count as incentive? Or fulfillment?
There are other goals in life than money, my friend.

> ===>Wow!  Calm down!  I am PROUD to say that I have never
> done any illicit drugs, nor do I ever intend to.  (And what the
> hell's wrong with Cheetos?)  ;-)

    What about prescribed shit? Alcohol? Antibiotics? The over-use of
antibiotics scares me WAY more than the amounts of use of any quote
unquote illicit drugs. Our definition of what drugs are 'good' and which
ones are 'bad' is totally arbitrary, in my opinion. I mean alcohol is by
far the most dangerous and the most abused drug. Is it illegal? Nope. Is
it illicit? Nope.

    In the end, it all comes down to what do you want to put into your
body. And, unless by ingesting said drugs you are endangering lots and
lots of people (like with antibiotics), then I say what you put into your
body should be your own choice. People do other things that are dangerous,
like skydiving, swimming with sharks, gambling, etc. And yet the small
amount of danger you expose yourself to by smoking a joint in a park is
somehow sufficient to warrent throwing you in jail? That doesn't make much
sense.

> ===>Actually, Brian, I believe, *does* know what he's talking
> about.  You just happen to disagree with what he is saying,
> which is fine.

    Good answer.

    Anyways, I know I've rambled and I'm pretty sure that none of what
I put down progresses past musings or ramblings, and is pretty much not at
all cohesive as an argument, but I'm really hung over so I'm not really on
top of my game. :) :) :)





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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:55:04 +0100


>> Its poor as hell tho...

It might be poor, but everyone gets the same wage i.e. 30 dollars. I think
Doctor's get marginally more, but then they should do. I'm afraid that's
what communism does.

Ask yer average Cuban does he mind or does he care that a road sweeper gets
the same - probably not, as he knows no different.

Is it a bad thing? I don't know. I suspect that now the US embargo has gone
[Jan this year] the US tourist dollar will start to make it a little more
Capitalist.



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Subject: (orb) Vinyl ==> Mp3
Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:29:44 +0100


I know a couple of people posted on this recently, but what is the best way
of getting Vinyl to mp3. I tried following the links, but it seemed to talk
about mp3 in general rather than getting Vinyl or another Audio source to
mp3.

I know mp3 loses something in the compression, but I don't really care. I
need to get several tracks onto CD for listening to elsewhere.

I have EasyCD v5, and it has Spin Doctor, which is supposed to do the job
via a sound card. Either I'm a spastic or the soundcard is pretty basic, cos
I couldn't get it to work [It's the default Soundmax one that comes with the
new Compaq Deskpro's].

I tried every which way to get it to work and I just ended up recording
silence.

I tried using my Technics SL1200 with both an Ortofon cart and a Stanton via
a lead that took phono to a single banana plug. Then I remembered that the
output from phono it very low, so took it through my mixer which has a
preamp. Still no difference.

Any ideas?


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Subject: Re: (orb) (non-orb) NWO crappage
Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:49:31 EDT


In a message dated Fri, 1 Jun 2001  5:46:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Paul Ketley <[e-mail]> writes:

<<
Pity this but...

The Kyoto Agreement should've been sponsored by
Microsoft as the moment it came into existance it was
out of date.

George W. Bush will do for Alaska what the crew of the
Exxon Valdez could only dream about.

This list amazes me.  Somebody in the States actually
backing-up George W.  A bit like someone over here
actually liking Mrs. Th****** or visiting Prague and
eating at McD****** in Wensclas Square.>>

Hmmph. Every time I see Bush's irritating sneer it makes we want to throw up.

The only reason this doofus is President is because so many ignorant fools bought into his whole "clean up the White House" bullshit. While I'm not suggesting Clinton was an angel, the fact that so many people could be duped into voting for Bush just because Clinton got a blow job in the Oval Office is sickening. If any of these idiots would be willing to read a little history, they'd realize that Clinton wasn't the first Prez to screw around - he just had the "luck" of doing it in a time when we can find out anything about anyone, anytime of the day, because the press has a right to. But they all bought into it, or at least just enough of them did, since it was hardly a landslide victory, And don't even get me started about the Florida votes. No, I'm sure nothing crooked went on there, of course not..

I'm not suggesting what Clinton did was "OK", but I'll take his legacy over an underqualified ass who's strings are pulled by oil companies any day.

The good news is that with the change of power in the Senate, Bush will now become a carbon copy of the Prez his father was - frustrated and ultimately inconsequential. Senator Jeffords, you're my hero.

Sorry for the tangeant, I just had to unleash a bit....

Now to get back on topic - anyone from Chicago going to the Area 1 show? I'm still contemplating myself...



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Subject: (orb) Splitting up mp3's
Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:59:31 +0100


Meant to ask this at the same. Apologies for the multiple posts.

Anyone know the best way [or software] for splitting up large mp3's into
halves or something? some of the live sets from the CD tree are over 80 mins
long and EasyCD won't let me write them to CD as they fall off the end.

I even tried using some other mp3 burning s/w I had and that was the same.

I'm talking about mp3 to audio, rather than just burning the mp3 to a
cd.............



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Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:03:51 EDT


> ===>I'm pretty sure that the earth is not going to fall to pieces.

    Good point! I love trying to explain this to people. HUMAN BEINGS
DO NOT (currently) HAVE THE ABILITY TO DESTROY ALL LIFE ON THE PLANET. The
only way we could do this is by either ruining the earth's orbit or
blocking out/destroying the sun. Even if we had nuclear war and we wiped
out everything except for some little bacteria and microbes in the south
pole, that's already like 50 steps from the beginning! Its already
self-replicating competing DNA-based fucking life! :)<<<

I agree with you both on one thing: I don't think that we have the ability to destroy the Earth. Why? I think that once we push the Earth enough, it'll push back and we won't stand a chance.

But does this mean we shouldn't be concerned about what we do to the environment? Doesn't it say a lot for a people who would disregard their environment, or view it as "something we can't ruin so it doesn't matter what we do? We don't have to go overboard with environmentalism but it has to be in the radar screen, folks. And anyone who spouts on about "scientific facts" - wake up, not everything can be justified by science. Science is a tool, not a rule book.






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Date: 01 Jun 2001 18:08:22 +0100


nope. I'm a PC boy. Sorry.



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Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:15:09 EDT


<<
what GOD said to the environmentalists:

"when you've finished-up eliminating all the non-native plants, you can go
to work on the non-native peoples."

--spearman (fed up with enviro/nonenviro crappage)>>

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Subject: Re: (orb) Splitting up mp3's
Date: 01 Jun 2001 10:19:33 -0700


[e-mail] wrote:

> Anyone know the best way [or software] for splitting up large mp3's into
> halves or something? some of the live sets from the CD tree are over 80 mins
> long and EasyCD won't let me write them to CD as they fall off the end.
>
> I even tried using some other mp3 burning s/w I had and that was the same.
>
> I'm talking about mp3 to audio, rather than just burning the mp3 to a
> cd.............

Use a conversion utility to convert them into .wavs, then use a .wav
editor to slice, dice, etc. to your heart's content. Then burn the .wavs
to an audio CD.

The process I use is:

Convert the mp3 to wav using EAC.

Use SoundForge 4.5 to develop a tracklisting with timings and clean up
the file (get rid of tape-flips, silence, glitches, etc. Then cut the
file into CD-sized chunks (I prefer to use cue-sheets, rather than a
bunch of wav files.)

Generate a cue-sheet, and burn with CDRWin.

(For the Teatime shows I do much the same thing, except I use Streambox
Ripper to convert the original RA files, and I cut the discs into
10-minute chunks on the cue-sheet, rather than try to do track breaks.)

I've done close to half the the shows from the mp3 set, and I'm willing
to provide my tracklistings/timings...it takes a lot of time to do it;
no reason a bunch of us should be repeating the same effort. I'm also
willing to trade copies of the shows I've done...)

Chris

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Subject: RE: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:31:36 -0400


Just to throw another log on the fire and because I'm enjoying this trip
away from orbness ;-)

Alexander Graham Bell was born on March 3, 1847, in Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

GERMAN engineer Paul Nipkow designed the first true television mechanism.

In the 60's the Pentagon based their computer network on a computer network
system designed at a unversity in SWITZERLAND.

In 1989 ENGLISH computer scientist Timothy Berners-Lee introduced the World
Wide Web (lets face it, the internet as most people know it).

Shall I go on?

Andrew Cieszkowski

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Subject: RE: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:26:01 -0400 (EDT)


> It might be poor, but everyone gets the same wage i.e. 30 dollars. I think
> Doctor's get marginally more, but then they should do. I'm afraid that's
> what communism does.

    Yeah but the natives are paid in pesos, which are illegal for
tourists to spend. Plus american money is legal tender there. Its pretty
funny, everything has two prices, the peso price and the dollar price.

> Ask yer average Cuban does he mind or does he care that a road sweeper gets
> the same - probably not, as he knows no different.

    True dat.

> Is it a bad thing? I don't know. I suspect that now the US embargo has gone
> [Jan this year] the US tourist dollar will start to make it a little more
> Capitalist.

    Oh man, thats gonna be the end of the cuban lobsters then. When
you go there, they have these guys who try and sell you live lobsters in a
little cardboard box right before you get on the plane. The lobsters are
endangered, plus they're considered a national resource by the government
so its illegal for individuals to eat them. What a strange place to
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Subject: Re: (orb) Splitting up mp3's
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:32:06 -0400 (EDT)



    I usually just do this with winamp. :) You can use the wav out
plugin and then just stop the track at 74 minutes, rename the file, and
start it up again at 74:01 and then you have two wav files. Works and is
really easy...

> Anyone know the best way [or software] for splitting up large mp3's into
> halves or something? some of the live sets from the CD tree are over 80 mins
> long and EasyCD won't let me write them to CD as they fall off the end.



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Subject: (orb) crappage and more
Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:34:11




>Who are you, Spear Man, and why are you spamming the Orb list?

a long time list member who usually lurks and occasionally plays the devil's
and other's advocate.


===>Well, what Brian and I are opposed to is becoming like
Cuba and China.  The U.S. finally voted out of office an
administration which was "buddy-buddy" with China

not so fast Bush fanboy

>--even
willing to sell our nuclear secrets and missiles to them.

Do I need to remind you that high US technology was delivered to the Chinese
under the current administration in the form of an $80 million aircraft?
Bush giving the crew  medals of honour was a joke--a typical political
trick.  The only way those people would be military heroes would have been
if that plane had ended up in the ocean--not in the hands of the Chinese.


>What is this new world order I've heard people speaking of?<

global totalitarianism even the Chinese envy.

>And is
being autonomous a virtue in its own right? I don't see how...<

Did I say it was?
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Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT)


> I agree with you both on one thing: I don't think that we have the
> ability to destroy the Earth. Why? I think that once we push the Earth
> enough, it'll push back and we won't stand a chance.

    Yeah word. The destructive force of nature is pretty big. :)

> But does this mean we shouldn't be concerned about what we do to the
> environment?

    I didn't say that! :) Of course we should be concerned, aware
even. The problem with the human race is that we don't see the way that we
are connected to every living thing on the planet.

> Doesn't it say a lot for a people who would disregard
> their environment, or view it as "something we can't ruin so it
> doesn't matter what we do?

    That isn't what I meant. I was just speaking to our hautiness as a
race, not using it as an excuse.

> We don't have to go overboard with
> environmentalism but it has to be in the radar screen, folks. And
> anyone who spouts on about "scientific facts" - wake up, not
> everything can be justified by science. Science is a tool, not a rule
> book.

    Plus, the answers we get from science are often (read: always)
inconclusive to a greater or lesser degree.




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Subject: RE: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:35:48 -0400 (EDT)


> Just to throw another log on the fire and because I'm enjoying this trip
> away from orbness ;-)
>
> Alexander Graham Bell was born on March 3, 1847, in Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.

    <snip>

    I worship the ground you walk on andy. You're my new hero!!! :)



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Subject: (orb) Phone and technology
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:57:09 -0500



> Alexander Graham Bell was born on March 3, 1847, in Edinburgh, SCOTLAND.
>
> GERMAN engineer Paul Nipkow designed the first true television mechanism.
>
> In the 60's the Pentagon based their computer network on a computer network
> system designed at a unversity in SWITZERLAND.
>
> In 1989 ENGLISH computer scientist Timothy Berners-Lee introduced the World
> Wide Web (lets face it, the internet as most people know it).
>
> Shall I go on?

===>First, I should point out that none of the above-mentioned
countries are communist.  I never said that they were invented
in the U.S.

Secondly, although Bell may have been born in Scotland,
he immigrated to the U.S.  The U.S., as you may know, is
made up almost entirely by immigrants.  That is our
strength.

Thirdly, although many of these products may not have
had their origins in the U.S., it was U.S. companies and
individuals who either perfected them or came up with ways
of mass marketing them.  (Incidentally, wasn't the
automobile a German invention, too?  But it was Henry
Ford who perfected the assembly line.)

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, ALL of the above-mentioned
nations (not just the U.S.) encourage innovation because of
the very nature of capitalism.

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Subject: (orb) Huh?
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:59:19 -0500



> what GOD said to the environmentalists:
>
> "when you've finished-up eliminating all the non-native plants, you can go
> to work on the non-native peoples."
>
> --spearman (fed up with enviro/nonenviro crappage)>>
>
> Ironically, many Christians mistook this as a message meant for them....

===>Um...what?  Are you saying that Christians are the only
ones who



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Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:02:02 -0500


: ===>Ok, perhaps I was wrong to lump everyone together.
: However, I used to be involved with environmental groups while
: in college, and eventually came to the realization that the
: majority of their arguments (to use a grand sweeping
: generalization) were based not on logic, but rather, emotion,
: and half-understood (and usually skewed) scientific evidence.


Vince, you're talking about college students.  COLLEGE STUDENTS.  You know,
college- the time of experimentation, opening up, learning....  College
students are just a couple of years older than high school students.  Of
course they are more passion than logic, duh.  Once again, you have decided
to conveniently wrap this whole problem up into a nice, tidy package that,
eventually, is a baseless, stinky piece of shit.


: ===>I'm pretty sure that the earth is not going to fall to pieces.
: Just let me ask this:  is the earth cleaner today than it was in
: the 1970s?

oh jeses christ. that's not what it's about, asshole.  I swear to god, an
evironmentalist suggests we should pick up some trash and Vince blows it up
into that they are screaming armeggeddon. Another typical childish strategy
to disarm their argument.  Let's not deal with their argument.  Let's just
pretend that they are raving maniacs who want to turn the USA into a bunch
of beatnick communists.  there's a term for that kind of strategy, Vince
It's called the politics of fear.  The republiKan party are experts at it,
as a whole.  I'm so fucking tired of that.  Every fascist nation in the
history of the world gained power this way.  Yet, you claim that
environmentalists are the ones closer to bringing this democracy down?
Pshhhh...  Let's talk about this again at a time when the issue of what I
can do and what I can't do in the privacy of my own home (republiKans want
laws against certain sexual acts, homosexuality, etc...) or what religious
faith my children have to inundated with in the classroom (republiKans want
the Ten Commandments hanging on the wall and daily school prayer over the
PA).  Then we can talk about abortion.  Yeah, the environmentalists are the
ones coming for your freedoms... Aww just fuck right off with that nonsense.

: ===>Well, what Brian and I are opposed to is becoming like
: Cuba and China.  The U.S. finally voted out of office an
: administration which was "buddy-buddy" with China--even
: willing to sell our nuclear secrets and missiles to them.

Oh really?  Since you claim to be SUCH a hero of documented evidence and
proof before you will alter your position on the environment,  let's see
proof that Clinton  sold nuclear secrets to the China.  C'mon dickless,
let's see the proof! Don't have it?  Didn't think so... now sit the fuck
right down and keep your piehole shut!

: China is a country which will massacre its own people
: when they want change.  (Granted, the U.S. Justice
: Department was really no better under the Clinton
: administration.)

Yeah, that's exactly my point, genius. China and Ameica are like night and
day.  So stop pretending that America is one step away from communism
everytime shit needs to get cleaned up.  Newsflash: The Constitution does
NOT grant you limitless freedoms!

: ===>Only when people are permitted to be selfish does
: true progress occur.  This is why capitalism is superior to
: socialism.

Man, you are just a fucken expert on everything, aren't ya?  Man... the
environment, ecology, finance, economics, the Constitution!  Wow!  Amazing!
Another newsflash for Vince: the powers of corporations and individual
persons alike have always been, and necessarily so, curbed to ensure
protection for various aspects of business, the economy, and the
environment.  This is fucken necessary gat'damnit.  A pure capitalist,
essentially what a corporation is since they are viewed as individuals under
law for some goddamned reason- cares only about one thing- the bottom line.
It does not care about health.  Safety.  The environment.  Future
generations.  It cares only about the $.  I'm all for capitalism, but only
under regulations that prevent the dangers that they also carry along with
them.  And capitalism isn't so fucken rosey, cheech.  It creates, and
perpetuates, a class-based society.  Which is funny, because a democracy is
diametrically opposed to that.

This is why the United States and other capitalist
: nations are so technologically advanced, and the standard of
: living for their citizens is so high, and countries.....

[snip: a long rant about absolutely nothing]

: ===>Actually, Brian, I believe, *does* know what he's talking
: about.  You just happen to disagree with what he is saying,
: which is fine.

Oh really?  What is he is trying to say?  I broke up his entire post.  What
did I miss?  What golden intellectual giblet did I not see?  I wasn't
disagreeing with him as much as insulting him- because he obviously needed
it.  He really made no points at all, but managed to expose himself as the
bloated, repugnant, and very likely, ugly person that he is.  Anyway, Vince,
you are clearly more interested in chest thumping yourself into intellectual
oblivion about being a "proud amerikan!" than anything else.  That long
tirade of yours about how ameriKa is the greatest place on earth and
everything else and everyone else sucks and every other country is just
jealous of our success is one of the dumbest pieces of fuck I've ever read
from someone who fancies himself as intelligent.  I'll repeat: fucken
pathetic.

-=oobe



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From: Rob_King <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Enough with the flaming/ranting
Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:13:11 -0400


Please take your arguements on environmentalism, religion, politics and
other personal attacks off-list.  Jeez...!


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Subject: RE: (orb) Enough with the flaming/ranting
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:18:42 -0500





Please take your arguements on environmentalism, religion, politics and
other personal attacks off-list.  Jeez...!

===>that goes for you too -=oobe before you make a true ass out of yourself.


    whoops too late.


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Subject: RE: (orb) Enough with the flaming/ranting
Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:21:24 -0400


right - if you are going to insult someone at least have the common sense
not to do it in front of everyone else - for all i care you and Vince can
hack it out all you want PRIVATELY...

::Please take your arguements on environmentalism, religion,
::politics and
::other personal attacks off-list.  Jeez...!


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Subject: (orb) And more
Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:25:34 -0500



> oh jeses christ. that's not what it's about, asshole.  I swear to god, an
> evironmentalist suggests we should pick up some trash and Vince blows it up
> into that they are screaming armeggeddon. Another typical childish strategy
> to disarm their argument.  Let's not deal with their argument.  Let's just
> pretend that they are raving maniacs who want to turn the USA into a bunch
> of beatnick communists.  there's a term for that kind of strategy, Vince
> It's called the politics of fear.  The republiKan party are experts at it,
> as a whole.  I'm so fucking tired of that.  Every fascist nation in the
> history of the world gained power this way.  Yet, you claim that
> environmentalists are the ones closer to bringing this democracy down?
> Pshhhh...  Let's talk about this again at a time when the issue of what I
> can do and what I can't do in the privacy of my own home (republiKans want
> laws against certain sexual acts, homosexuality, etc...) or what religious
> faith my children have to inundated with in the classroom (republiKans want
> the Ten Commandments hanging on the wall and daily school prayer over the
> PA).  Then we can talk about abortion.  Yeah, the environmentalists are the
> ones coming for your freedoms... Aww just fuck right off with that nonsense.

===>I never said I was a Republican.  And, for the record, I am
not.

> Man, you are just a fucken expert on everything, aren't ya?  Man... the
> environment, ecology, finance, economics, the Constitution!  Wow!  Amazing!

===>I think so, too (although my wife knows the truth).  ;-)

> bloated, repugnant, and very likely, ugly person that he is.  Anyway, Vince,
> you are clearly more interested in chest thumping yourself into intellectual
> oblivion about being a "proud amerikan!" than anything else.  That long
> tirade of yours about how ameriKa is the greatest place on earth and
> everything else and everyone else sucks and every other country is just
> jealous of our success is one of the dumbest pieces of fuck I've ever read
> from someone who fancies himself as intelligent.  I'll repeat: fucken
> pathetic.

===>Actually, I do not recall saying America is the greatest place
on earth.  I *do* recall, however, saying that capitalism is far
superior to Marxist philosophy.  The U.S. is *not* the only capitalist
nation in the world.

Am I the only one on this list who is getting a kick out of all
this?  I can't remember being verbally abused this much since
my senior year in college (almost ten years ago) when I
sent out an all-campus mailer to celebrate Earth Day, suggesting
that we should "help beach whales."  (Someone literally nailed
one to my door and wrote, "Stick this up your ass, Vince!!!"
Fuckin' hilarious!  :-)

I've gotta hand it to you, OOBE:  this is the first time I've
laughed today (and that's a good thing).

Have a great weekend!

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Subject: Re: (orb) Enough with the flaming/ranting
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:28:47 -0500


aww.. did i hurt your wittle feewings, Johnny?  I'm sowwy...

:
: Please take your arguements on environmentalism, religion, politics and
: other personal attacks off-list.  Jeez...!
:
: ===>that goes for you too -=oobe before you make a true ass out of
yourself.
:
:
:     whoops too late.



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Subject: Re: (orb) Ibiza
Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:10:58 -0400


RE: (orb) Watch out, watch out, there's a FAKE Alex about!I wonder why
they all die? I mean you set up an island that has two things... tons
of clubs and "Stooper-Star DJ" condos... then encourage Hedonism and
Debauchery in such a way as to make Dionysus proud.

I can't wait to visit sometime... :-)

-e



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From: "</ x e n l a b >" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Unidentified Frequencies of Orb?
Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:06:54 -0400


These are Fan remixes. which upon further inspection you can tell that
they are the originals looped out and the samples from them played
over and over. There's some really good stuff on here, it's just not a
proper orb release (since they didn't the mixes or condone them to be
done)

Russian Intervention and Lunatics feel Love are my faves, personally
:)

i believe your track listing is correct, btw.

-e

> >The Orb: Unidentified Frequencies of Orb
> >[1994] bootleg remix album
> >CD: 1994 UK (??; ??)
> >  8:47 Little Fluffy Clouds (out of ultraworld mix)
> >14:02 Out Of Body Experience (crack in the sky remix)
> >11:00 UFOrb (russian intervention mix)
> >15:21 Close Encounters (lunatics feel love mix)
> >14:01 Blue Room (universum mix)
> >  8:26 Towers of Dub (perpetual twighlight at dawn mix)




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Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:32:37 -0400 (EDT)



    Man, people on this list have honed their skills of argument and
insult better than I thought before!!! :)

> It's called the politics of fear.  The republiKan party are experts at it,
> as a whole.  I'm so fucking tired of that.  Every fascist nation in the
> history of the world gained power this way.  Yet, you claim that

    Wont somebody PLEASE think of the children! Selling drugs to our
children, corrupting the youth. I love it. :)

> can do and what I can't do in the privacy of my own home (republiKans want
> laws against certain sexual acts, homosexuality, etc...) or what religious

    Hey they already have laws dictating what kind of recreational
substances you can ingest. Why not other stuff? :P

> Oh really?  Since you claim to be SUCH a hero of documented evidence and
> proof before you will alter your position on the environment,  let's see
> proof that Clinton  sold nuclear secrets to the China.  C'mon dickless,
> let's see the proof! Don't have it?  Didn't think so... now sit the fuck
> right down and keep your piehole shut!

    O man, this paragraph is my favorite so far. BURN! :) How about
the perported 'damage' caused by Clinton et al to the whitehouse offices.
Didn't a committee a few days ago find that the spaces were basically what
you would expect to see when someone has to vacate office space quickly?
Heh heh.

> Another newsflash for Vince: the powers of corporations and individual

    I just thought I should add that with the mega-corporations we
have now the power that businesses wield is pretty scary. Lets not forget
that 95% of all news, print, and entertainment media come from the same 5
companies...

> oblivion about being a "proud amerikan!" than anything else.  That long
> tirade of yours about how ameriKa is the greatest place on earth and
> everything else and everyone else sucks and every other country is just
> jealous of our success is one of the dumbest pieces of fuck I've ever read
> from someone who fancies himself as intelligent.  I'll repeat: fucken
> pathetic.

    Sorry vince, but I have to agree here (except for the part where
he insults you). It is pretty silly to say that america is the best
country and whatnot.

    -Ben "Thinkin about the post-work off topic bitching posts he will
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Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:52:13 -0500


: Man, people on this list have honed their skills of argument and
: insult better than I thought before!!! :)

You can too if you hang out in alt.bitterness for a couple of weeks. :)

: Wont somebody PLEASE think of the children! Selling drugs to our
: children, corrupting the youth. I love it. :)

???

:
: O man, this paragraph is my favorite so far. BURN! :) How about
: the perported 'damage' caused by Clinton et al to the whitehouse offices.
: Didn't a committee a few days ago find that the spaces were basically what
: you would expect to see when someone has to vacate office space quickly?
: Heh heh.

So?  Whart the fuck did you expect?  The guy was from fucking ARKANSAS!!!
We've traded one ridiculously horny redneck for one brazenly retarded
redneck.  I'll take the horny redneck everytime.

: I just thought I should add that with the mega-corporations we
: have now the power that businesses wield is pretty scary. Lets not forget
: that 95% of all news, print, and entertainment media come from the same 5
: companies...

Fuck, just take a look at the WTO.  Government by corporations.  Read 'Red
Mars' sometime.

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From: oobe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) And more
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:56:39 -0500


nice arguments Vince.

: ===>I never said I was a Republican.  And, for the record, I am
: not.

: ===>I think so, too (although my wife knows the truth).  ;-)

: ===>Actually, I do not recall saying America is the greatest place
: on earth.  I *do* recall, however, saying that capitalism is far
: superior to Marxist philosophy.  The U.S. is *not* the only capitalist
: nation in the world.



: Am I the only one on this list who is getting a kick out of all
: this?

no, i am too.  i haven't gotten to slam somebody for inane stupidity in a
while.


I can't remember being verbally abused this much since
: my senior year in college (almost ten years ago) when I
: sent out an all-campus mailer to celebrate Earth Day, suggesting
: that we should "help beach whales."  (Someone literally nailed
: one to my door and wrote, "Stick this up your ass, Vince!!!"
: Fuckin' hilarious!  :-)

I have plenty of unused things lying around that you can stick up your ass.
A toaster that my wife bought behind my back.  A salami roll.  My next door
neighbor's shitty yapping dog.  The unused external zip drive.  My copy of
the new Depeche Mode album...

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From: "Lee Blanch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [(orb) Something unrelated but vastly important to everyone!]
Date: 01 Jun 2001 19:02:20 -0000


OK - did I hit a raw nerve here?

Unfortunately I cannot claim to have started this petition, I am merely just
passing it on but maybe I could enlighten some of you Americans it's just a
joke but all the other countries seem (including the UK) to have been quite
worried with regards to Bush getting presidency...with that brief-case with
the red button on it and everything...

Incidentally by my nature I am extremely Left wing so I have a notable
critcism for Bush and other politically Right people's ideologies, secondly
I am not a great fan of 'patriotism' as all it seems to do is promote
imperialism/capitalism both of which contribute to Third World debt, and
only further compounds the problems of the world as wealth is so unevenly
distrubuted.

I would go on but I am tired after having an exam on the paradoxes of
Liberty and Margaret Thatcher's impact on British Broadcasting - I hate
being a media student...

Lee.

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From: Jason Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Splitting up mp3's
Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:17:30 -0700


> Anyone know the best way [or software] for splitting up large mp3's into
> halves or something? some of the live sets from the CD tree are over 80 mins
> long and EasyCD won't let me write them to CD as they fall off the end.


You might have to convert it to a .wav first, but you can use Sound Forge 5
- set markers where you want the tracks to start.   After that is finished,
choose convert markers to regions.  After that, choose export regions.  You
will end up with individual .wav tracks!   Burn at will...

:)

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From: Tim C <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:26:00 -0700


> I envy the simplicity of your thought process.  It must be so much easier to
> go through life when you look at a huge portion of the population who share
> a common moral principle and lump them all into a group of nihlistic
> hypocrits using sophmoric stereotypes.  Yeah, I wish I wasn't plagued with
> accepting reality instead of someone else's cynical mantra like you and
> Vince have.  Fucking pathetic.

Well, actually, I use philosophy, rather than stereotypes, to perform my
value judgements.  It is a very powerful tool.  If it means that
recognizing incorrect philosophy as evil and destructive, and judging
the holders of said philosophy accordingly, well, so be it.  We are
living in an age where philosophically speaking, man has turned away
from reason - he still lives by it implicitly and out of necessity, but
without the concrete, explicit philosophical grounding required, he is
left defenseless intellectually - and we see the results in our
deteriorating world around us.  So, in this case, the "huge portion of
the population who share a common moral principle" (note the power of
philosophy is such that you actually recognized the essential and its
importance in this case) holds a moral principle that is fundamentally
anti-man, and therefore evil - and it must therefore be judged
accordingly.

T


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Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:30:27 -0700


> Actually, this is not at all what the environmentalists were protesting
> (well, perhaps there were a few idiots doing it). It was not a protest
> against capitlaism or technology. It was a protest against the WTO
> undermining regional environmental protection policies. Member nations of
> the WTO have to comply to certain trade policies that promote "fair trade"
> between third world and first world member countries. Many of these policies
> superceed the rights of local governments to make their own decisions about
> regional environmental and trade policies, rendering them powerless to do
> anything to prorect themselves from the onslaught of an emerging global
> consumerist economy.

Actually, there were indeed large factions of protesters - some
rampantly environmentalist (and not concerned about local governments'
rights to control their environmental policy), and some viciously
anti-capitalist/technology.  The number of people I talked to who were
actually protesting WTO for reasons of policy was actually pretty low.
Most were just protesting to have some sort of activist agenda without
really having had to think about it.

T


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From: "Andrew C. Johnston" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 13:12:38 -0700 (PDT)


Please, people, please, let's let the politics go.
This reminds me of the fun-not fun flame wars we had
about a year ago, again with environmental/anti-nuke
topics...frankly we are not going to solve anything
here, so why bother?

I am saying this because I always feel a bad vibe when
someone has to post KEEP IT OFF LIST. Usually because
it is written angrily. Plus, this time there is lots
of anger in some of the opinion posts.

I've got my opinions, just like anyone else, and I'm
going to keep them to myself. This issue is
complicated, nobody here is exactly right or wrong.
Everyone, or almost so, has made good points, although
the methods...

Man, I wish that original poster had just said, here
is the link, check it out if you want, instead of
inciting everyone. He or she is really the one to
blame for this noise.

Finally, on a personal note, I have lived in China for
the last 2 years. So please don't post ignorant
statements about China when you really don't have a
clue. That goes for a bunch of people. At least
qualify your statements to express your lack of info.
And no, I am not a communist, I am a free market
capitalist, and more so than the US gov't, with their
irrational prohibited markets and price controls.

Love,

Andrew

p.s. in the alternative, let's all agree to tone down
the rhetoric, ok? Arguments lose their power when they
are combined with anger.

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From: oobe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 15:19:11 -0500


You perform value judgements?  How much are tickets?

The rest of your post was just rambling crap.  Try better next time.  And
don't post it three times- it was just as bad the third time as it was the
first.

-=oobe

: Well, actually, I use philosophy, rather than stereotypes, to perform my
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From: oobe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 15:21:29 -0500


TimC, Man about town.

Pray tell, just how many WTO protestors did you talk to in Seattle?  Where
do you live, Florida?  What a douche bag.

: The number of people I talked to who were
: actually protesting WTO for reasons of policy was actually pretty low.
: Most were just protesting to have some sort of activist agenda without
: really having had to think about it.
:
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Subject: (orb) so on topic it is unbelievable
Date: 01 Jun 2001 15:30:35 -0500 (CDT)




Democracy at work folks...right here.

as if man was ever used reason.

-merrick-

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Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:47:53 EDT


damn cant you prople take a hint?? we dont want to hear you bitch and whine at each other. go cry to your mom or someone else who cares. argue somewhere else. your long winded pointless arguments are making me want to puke. youre little flame war should have been moved off the list a long time ago. please chill and talk about something that has to do with the orb or at least MUSIC.

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From: oobe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 15:53:41 -0500


I lived in China for three months when I was 17 immediately after
highschool.  I have more than a clue what I'm talking about.

all my love,
-=oobe

: Finally, on a personal note, I have lived in China for
: the last 2 years. So please don't post ignorant
: statements about China when you really don't have a
: clue. That goes for a bunch of people. At least
: qualify your statements to express your lack of info.
: And no, I am not a communist, I am a free market
: capitalist, and more so than the US gov't, with their
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From: "Lee Blanch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 20:53:30 -0000


I'm impressed - you've obvously been reading up on socialist theory?

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From: "Lee Blanch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 01 Jun 2001 20:59:01 -0000


 > ===>Actually, Brian, I believe, *does* know what he's talking
 > about.  You just happen to disagree with what he is saying,
 > which is fine.

    Good answer.

    Anyways, I know I've rambled and I'm pretty sure that none of what
I put down progresses past musings or ramblings, and is pretty much not at
all cohesive as an argument, but I'm really hung over so I'm not really on
top of my game. :) :) :)

---------------

But what you say is sooooo true though! These aren't just ramblings, many
other people, in particular, big named philosophers have written thousands
of pages on this sort of stuff - these arguements are some of the most
important issues that we as humans beings need to address in today's
society.

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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:59:34 -0400


hey man, you didn't call him a fuck face - you losing your touch?

::I lived in China for three months when I was 17 immediately after
::highschool.  I have more than a clue what I'm talking about.
::
::all my love,
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From: "Lee Blanch" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Phone and technology
Date: 01 Jun 2001 21:20:12 -0000


Basically, what I'm trying to say is, ALL of the above-mentioned
nations (not just the U.S.) encourage innovation because of
the very nature of capitalism.

Vince

-------------

It could be argued that we encourage innovation, not because of the nature
of capitalism, but maybe because as we evolve, and technologies become more
advanced, the need for innovation and perhaps ways of perfecting
technologies (usually to a point where technologies are MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY
FRIENDLY - remember the original topic which started this all off?) is
there?

I think its all very chicken and egg - humans need/use technology which in
turn enables us to develop and perhaps live more sophisticated lives (i.e.
healthier, cleaner, efficient, etc.) and through this development we in turn
crete better technology than the previous forms. This is all arguable
though, like most things (even THAT is arguable).

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From: oobe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:33:34 -0500


But 672 posts about smoking a bowl or rolling a j are okay?

Here, I'll immediately make myself likeable by the Orb list: I like to smoke
pot.  No, I LOVE to smoke pot and listen to the Orb!  Smoking pot ownz!  POT
POT POT!!!  POT ALL DAY AND POT ALL NIGHT!!!  MMMM HMMM!!!

worthless "on topic" police...

-=oobe


: damn cant you prople take a hint?? we dont want to hear you bitch and
whine at each other. go cry to your mom or someone else who cares. argue
somewhere else. your long winded pointless arguments are making me want to
puke. youre little flame war should have been moved off the list a long time
ago. please chill and talk about something that has to do with the orb or at
least MUSIC.
:
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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:32:08 -0400 (EDT)



> But 672 posts about smoking a bowl or rolling a j are okay?

    I'm afraid I have to agree with oobie-boy here on this one. Trying
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Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:32:54 EDT


you obviously have emotional problems and i sorry for you. but i dont want to hear you whine anymore, so shut up BITCH!!

DJ TeleVision

In a message dated Fri, 1 Jun 2001  5:28:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, oobe <[e-mail]> writes:

<< But 672 posts about smoking a bowl or rolling a j are okay?

Here, I'll immediately make myself likeable by the Orb list: I like to smoke
pot.  No, I LOVE to smoke pot and listen to the Orb!  Smoking pot ownz!  POT
POT POT!!!  POT ALL DAY AND POT ALL NIGHT!!!  MMMM HMMM!!!

worthless "on topic" police...

-=oobe


: damn cant you prople take a hint?? we dont want to hear you bitch and
whine at each other. go cry to your mom or someone else who cares. argue
somewhere else. your long winded pointless arguments are making me want to
puke. youre little flame war should have been moved off the list a long time
ago. please chill and talk about something that has to do with the orb or at
least MUSIC.
:
: DJ TeleVision


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From: oobe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:42:31 -0500


Does this mean you and I can't spend the rest of our years together, DJTV
(nice name heh)?

p.s. i'm not whining.  i'm bitching. there's a difference fucko.

-=oobe

: you obviously have emotional problems and i sorry for you. but i dont want
to hear you whine anymore, so shut up BITCH!!
:
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From: oobe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:43:21 -0500


stop pulling my heart strings, Benji

-=oobe

:
: I'm afraid I have to agree with oobie-boy here on this one. Trying
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From: Tim C <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:38:51 -0700


oobe wrote:
>
> TimC, Man about town.
>
> Pray tell, just how many WTO protestors did you talk to in Seattle?  Where
> do you live, Florida?  What a douche bag.
>
> : The number of people I talked to who were
> : actually protesting WTO for reasons of policy was actually pretty low.
> : Most were just protesting to have some sort of activist agenda without
> : really having had to think about it.
> :
> : T

Ok, this is getting ridiculous.  First, despite the off-topic nature of
this thread, I have been posting the occasional observation to the list
as I find it relevant - environmentalism vs. technology is a seemingly
contradictory subject but is particularly relevant in electronic music
and rave culture - especially as many participants are in fact
anti-technology but using it to make the music or what have you.
Second, you will notice I have not flamed anyone, just made reasoned
arguments.  Third, I lived in Seattle at the time of the protests; I
talked to many protestors; I observed anti-capitalist bumper stickers
and billboards, and I generally found the whole thing rather strikingly
similar to other historical instances of mindless mob behavior.

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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Could be a helluva lot worse
Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:43:03 -0400


not one to dissapoint, eh? we might as well all bitch about something cause
it don't look like this thread is going to stop anytime soon...

::p.s. i'm not whining.  i'm bitching. there's a difference fucko.
::
::-=oobe


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From: Chris Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) oh the irony...
Date: 01 Jun 2001 14:43:17 -0700


Wasn't it just earlier this week when someone new to the list posted
about how impressed they were with how mellow and mature this list was?
:/

Or is this just a conspiracy to annoy Lazlo enough to bring him back
into participation on the list? (If only to apply well-deserved
smackdown.)

ObOrb: Not a damn thing. BadOrb.com still doesn't work; no new Orb dates
for the US yet, and it will be at least a few more days before the 5/30
TeaTime set shows up (if Alex did one).

Feh.   :P

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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) paradox
Date: 01 Jun 2001 17:58:13 -0400


The paradox of our time in history is that we have
taller buildings, but shorter tempers; wider freeways,
but narrower viewpoints; we spend more, but have less;
we buy more, but enjoy it less.

We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values.
We talk too much, love too seldom, and hate too often.
We've learned how to make a living, but not a life;
we've added years to life, not life to years.

We've been all the way to moon and back, but have trouble
crossing the street to meet the neighbor.

We've conquered outer space, but not inner space; we've
cleared up the air, but polluted the soul; we've split
the atom, but not our prejudice.

We have higher incomes, but lower morals; we've become
long on quantity, but short on quality. These are the
times of tall men, and short character; steep profits,
and shallow relationships.

These are the times of world peace, but domestic warfare;
more leisure, but less fun; more kinds of food, but less
nutrition. These are the days of two incomes, and more
divorce; of fancier houses, but broken homes.

It is a time when there is too much in the show window
and nothing in the stockroom; a time when technology
can bring this letter to you, and a time when you can
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From: "dirk dogood" <[e-mail]>
Subject:  (orb) monkey vs robot - another perspective on the flame wars
Date: 01 Jun 2001 12:34:05 -1000


blah,

blah blah blah blah blah hah hah blah. blah blah blaaaahhh, blah. blah blah
blah blah!!! blah, blah blah blah.

http://208.34.189.52/MonkeyVsRobot300k.asf

blah,
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From: Tim C <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) ? - Orb related, can you believe it
Date: 01 Jun 2001 16:50:20 -0700


Question about samples during first track of Dr. LX P's Voyage into P -
on my copy they sound actually bad, squelched out to the point that the
static basically overruns the rest of the music going on.  The disc also
tracks poorly (very unusual behavior), skipping some during track 1
particularly.

So question 1 is does anyone else experience this particularly
unpleasant effect on the samples (I can see it being that way on
purpose, but it also sounds potentially speaker-damaging), and question
2 is do I possibly have a defective disc?

Thx,
T


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Subject: RE: (orb) ? - Orb related, can you believe it
Date: 01 Jun 2001 18:08:22 -0700





 does anyone else experience this particularly
unpleasant effect on the samples do I possibly
have a defective disc?

    Haven't experienced those effects, and
    yes sounds like a bad disc to me.  Picked
    out the Specials sample on track 2 and
    repeated again on track 7 though.  I'm
    listening to a pre-release CD-R if that
    makes any difference.

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From: Susan Bartos <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [(orb) ? - Orb related, can you believe it]
Date: 01 Jun 2001 21:46:59 EDT


The first time I listenend to it, I had some "static"like feedback on tra=
ck 1
as well, but giving it another good listen here @ home on a proper stereo=
, I
think it was just my car's CD player trying to compensate for the mile-lo=
ng
pothole they call a street 'round here...

Sounds like you got a bum disc.  I hate when that happens!

Tim C <[e-mail]> wrote:

So question 1 is does anyone else experience this particularly
unpleasant effect on the samples (I can see it being that way on
purpose, but it also sounds potentially speaker-damaging), and question
2 is do I possibly have a defective disc?



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Subject: Re: (orb) Splitting up mp3's
Date: 01 Jun 2001 09:15:52 -0500


I use TrackMaker (freeware) ->
http://www.heathcosoft.com/products/mp3trackmaker/index.html

You can split to the minute/second.  I use it to create tracks in the live
shows from the cd tree.  Then I convert to .wav and burn to disk without the
laser skips between tracks.  The latest version lets you pause in Winamp and
grab the track position.  Works like a charm.

I have had problems tracking the Tea Time mp3's though.  I've e-mailed the
makers (of TrackMaker), and the only explanation they can provide is that
the source file may be corrupt.  I've tried on all the Tea Times on the OAA,
so if anyone has clean mp3's of any Tea Times (but especially 1-25-01),
please let me know - I'd be eternally grateful!

cygnus

> Anyone know the best way [or software] for splitting up large mp3's into
> halves or something? some of the live sets from the CD tree are over 80
mins
> long and EasyCD won't let me write them to CD as they fall off the end.
> I'm talking about mp3 to audio, rather than just burning the mp3 to a
> cd.............




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From: "Andrew Cieszkowski" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Phone and technology
Date: 02 Jun 2001 00:04:09 -0400


Sorry, just taking the piss...and enjoying the segue


===>First, I should point out that none of the above-mentioned
countries are communist.  I never said that they were invented
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From: noraa selim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) orbradio
Date: 02 Jun 2001 03:00:03 -0700 (PDT)


Hey people,

Was anyone lucky enough to record the orbradio stream from orblivion.com? (from a while back) I'd be intrested in getting a copy. Maybe upload it on a ftp or something?

-peace out

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From: "Phil Blake" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Orb Sessions on Steve Lamacq
Date: 02 Jun 2001 20:06:16 +0100


I've mixed together the four tracks from the Orb sessions on Steve Lamacq's
show back in March. I've also edited out the talking!
To anyone that's interested, I've uploaded it to the OAA.

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Subject: (orb) orbradio thanks    ª■
Date: 02 Jun 2001 12:43:28 -0700 (PDT)


Just a quick and sincere "thank you" to whoever was kind enough to upload orbradio! Now I can relive the good ole day's of past. Thanks again! ª■

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Subject: (orb) Fireman etc.
Date: 02 Jun 2001 23:07:44 -0400


Today I was just browsing in a local used CD shop that is always closed
whenever I go by and found The Fireman "Strawberries Oceans Ships Forest".
Way cool, even better than "Rushes", Tangerine Dream "The Dream Mixes" and
Eno "Ambient 2"  Funny thing about "Ambient 2" is that I have "Ambient 1,
Music for Airport" and "Ambient 4, On Land" and it never even occurred to me
that there would in fact be a number 2 or 3.

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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Splitting up mp3's
Date: 03 Jun 2001 01:49:29 -0600


try goldwave.  it's what i use and you can cut pretty much down to the
thousandth of a second...
>
> I use TrackMaker (freeware) ->
> http://www.heathcosoft.com/products/mp3trackmaker/index.html
>
> You can split to the minute/second.  I use it to create
> tracks in the live
> shows from the cd tree.  Then I convert to .wav and burn to
> disk without the
> laser skips between tracks.  The latest version lets you
> pause in Winamp and
> grab the track position.  Works like a charm.
>
> I have had problems tracking the Tea Time mp3's though.  I've
> e-mailed the
> makers (of TrackMaker), and the only explanation they can
> provide is that
> the source file may be corrupt.  I've tried on all the Tea
> Times on the OAA,
> so if anyone has clean mp3's of any Tea Times (but especially
> 1-25-01),
> please let me know - I'd be eternally grateful!
>
> cyg
> original sender.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orb) ftp's
Date: 03 Jun 2001 04:25:28 EDT


i been a little out of the loop lately caue i havnt really been reading all  my e-mails and stuff. what is the addy to the OAA? i thought i had it but it said password not accepted. i want to get the new red worm track and the other recent downloads that have been upped to the ftp. someone just clue me in please, thank you.

24.1.153.3  this site says password not accepted, is it still up  any help would be much appreciated thanks peoples.

DJ TeleVision


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From: "Charlie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) OAA
Date: 03 Jun 2001 12:34:25 +0200


I cant seem to get anything to work from the Orb Audio Archive I am looking
at ....

www.spindlex.com/orbarchive/official.htm#

Is this the correct orb audio archive site or is there maybe another one
somewhere ?
There seems to be some excellent sounds here but nothing seems to happen

I cant seem to access the FTP2 site referenced here either
( 209.100.134.250 )

Any help would really be very gratefully appreciated
Chuck

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From: Paul Ketley <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Red Worm Thanks
Date: 03 Jun 2001 04:46:57 -0700 (PDT)


Anders,

Red Worm and ERM.
It's the OAA FTP home.
24.1.153.3
login orb
password orb
When logged-in go into the 'upload' directory.

"Dictionary of the Khazars" is a lexicon novel based
on stories of the Khazar people from around the 7th
and 8th Century and subsequent searches for their
history.  The book is collated into three prospectives
on the Khazar Question.  The Jewish, the Moslem and
the Christian who all attempted and all claimed to
have coverted the Khazars to their religion.

The Male and Female versions have a single differing
page which makes a difference to the ending or how you
perceive the ending.

Have fun.

Paul.

ps The Naked Lunch - the book is far better - the
movie does not capture any of Burroughs' drug induced
descriptive permutations.  Also Trainspotting - but
that movie does come much closer.

--- Anders Dam <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Say - could you rub some
> of that powder on my lips?
> oops..been watching naked
> lunch recently (trip film)
>
> If you'd pass the pass
> and location of red worm
> I'd be most appreciative.
>
> Thanks man
> :muzz
> [e-mail]
> :intergalactic scubadriver
> :nozferatu inhanced rearviewmirror
> :in.
> :fnordish end
>
>
> >
> >
> >Thanks to everyone who told me where to find the
> "Red
> >Worm" track.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Paul.
> >
> >>nr "The Dictionary of the Khazars" by Milorad
> Pavic
> >(female edition).
> >
>
> What's that, sounds a cool idea with versions
> (remixes) of books :)
>
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From: "mark weston" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Cydonia
Date: 03 Jun 2001 13:52:59 +0100


Please could a kind person please burn me a disc of all the tracks  that
didnt appear on the official release. Or if you have the cdr promos (double
disc) and Version 2 could you copy for me. I do have some interesting items
to trade. please mail back. Regards Mark W. Portsmouth UK.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orb) patterns and textures
Date: 03 Jun 2001 13:17:18 EDT


heylo,

is there anyone out there who has their hands on some Orb vids (specifically
Patterns and Textures, but anything will do fine...)  who would be willing to
copy them for me... i'd happily send you the blank tapes and returnable
envelopes, so it would cost you nothing but a little time...

peace n mind-
tom
ps- anyone have the FSOL lifeforms limited release vid?  (I know this is a
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From: markim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) real audio conversion II
Date: 03 Jun 2001 10:59:28 -0700 (PDT)


I was curious if there are any windows users out there
that might be willing to rip some  betalounge shows
(non-orb related). If you are willing to rip'm to mp3
would be appreciated.

show(s):
4.20.00 - teep, dj design, cinnamon underpants
6.03.00 - Mouse on Mars live from Expo 2000, Hanover,
Germany
6.20.00 - Mr. Bollweevil at World Expo 2000
1.24.00 - Beta Lounge & Hifind Live from Midem 2000 -
Rainer Trⁿby
and 1.25.00 w/ Tiny Trendies

Thank you

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From: Andrew Krieg <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Ouch!
Date: 03 Jun 2001 14:08:16 -0700


This album has been out for almost 3 years, and finally the Bee Gees reac=
t?

http://in.news.yahoo.com/010426/48/t1y1.html

Thursday April 26 2001, 4:55 PM

     Robbie vs. Bee Gees

Robbie Williams had better watch out. The Bee Gees really don=92t like
his cover of one of their tracks - but say they love all the others.
The Saturday Night Fever hitmakers have been covered by scores of groups,
ranging from pop act Steps - who did a version of Tragedy - to the likes
of soul star Al Green. But while the brothers Gibb generally love the
tributes to them, Robbie=92s collaboration with dance stars The Orb on I
started a joke left them cold. Barry Gibb said, "The Robbie Williams
version of I started a joke, was the kind of thing you hear in a lunatic
asylum, fused with an old man with diarrhoea." He further added, "It was
almost like somebody took it and said, =91How can I destroy this song in
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From: "Charlie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) OAA - Thanks !
Date: 03 Jun 2001 21:50:50 +0200


Just to say thanks for the help getting access to the OAA site.

That is one mindboggling amount of music.

And I thought I had some too.

When I get a faster connection I'll upload some other stuff I have that I
dont see there

Chuck



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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) monkey vs robot - another perspective on the flame wars
Date: 03 Jun 2001 14:27:49 -0600


yes, this is very funny.  i've got it stuck in head as i scroll through and
filter out all the could be a helluva lot worse messages...


>
>
> blah,
>
> blah blah blah blah blah hah hah blah. blah blah blaaaahhh,
> blah. blah blah
> blah blah!!! blah, blah blah blah.
>
> http://208.34.189.52/MonkeyVsRobot300k.asf
>
> blah,
> g
>
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orb) crappage and more
Date: 03 Jun 2001 17:19:39 -0400 (EDT)


 * not so fast Bush fanboy

Do we need to forget that Clinton got millions of Dollars of illegal campaign
contributions from Chinese interests? Does it really matter if he returns
the money if he gets caught AFTER the election? And then it must be pure
coincidence that Clinton pushes to get China permanent Most Favored Nation
trade status, and tries to get them into the WTO, etc?

 * if that plane had ended up in the ocean--not in the hands of the Chinese.

I 100% agree with this statement here, those guys are not heroes. However
I don't think Bush tried give China that technology by having someone
crash a plane. Unless of course you think that Clinton killed some US
military personell by having them step on landmines in Bosnia?
Sadly the reason those people are heroes and get awards, is because as
a society, we cannot seem to handle any kind of tragedy, even though
if you look around there is horrible tragedy everywhere in this country.
But Clinton had 8 years of persidency to solve all of the ills of
the country and he did not do it. Bush won't do it either. It will all
be the same.



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Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 03 Jun 2001 17:48:19 -0400 (EDT)


 * oh jeses christ. that's not what it's about, asshole.  I swear to god, an
 * evironmentalist suggests we should pick up some trash and Vince blows it up
 * into that they are screaming armeggeddon. Another typical childish strategy
 * to disarm their argument.  Let's not deal with their argument.  Let's just
 * pretend that they are raving maniacs who want to turn the USA into a bunch
 * of beatnick communists.  there's a term for that kind of strategy, Vince
 * It's called the politics of fear.  The republiKan party are experts at it,
 * as a whole.  I'm so fucking tired of that.  Every fascist nation in the
 * history of the world gained power this way.  Yet, you claim that
 * environmentalists are the ones closer to bringing this democracy down?
 * Pshhhh...  Let's talk about this again at a time when the issue of what I
 * can do and what I can't do in the privacy of my own home (republiKans want
 * laws against certain sexual acts, homosexuality, etc...) or what religious
 * faith my children have to inundated with in the classroom (republiKans want
 * the Ten Commandments hanging on the wall and daily school prayer over the
 * PA).  Then we can talk about abortion.  Yeah, the environmentalists are the
 * ones coming for your freedoms... Aww just fuck right off with that nonsense.

Funny I don't think that Vince ever said he was Republican. Is that just
an assumption? I also like that fact that everything bad must be
Republican and that the Democrats never do the same things. Lets see about
freedoms. President Clinton rode a wave of support from the Gay community
when he was elected President, with the promise of removing descrimination
against gays in the military. Now did he actually fulfill that promise of
allowing gays in the military? No he did not. He changed the policy to
don't ask don't tell. But Gays are stillnot allowed in the military and
are still removed from the military if anyone ever finds out that they are
gay. This did cause Clinton some loss of support in the Gay community
and made the newspapers.

Did Clinton allow anyone to smoke joints or do other drugs? Nope. In fact
he increased the budget for the war on drugs, making it higher then under
the previous president a Republican George Bush Sr.. And I am not just saying
a higher dollar value either, which could be accounted for by inflation, but
actually a higher percentage of the budget. And when California allowed
for medical marijuana, did he leave them alone? No he did not, he sent the
federal government's forces after them, via the FBI and Janet Reno. The
problem here is that most people in this country don't like drugs, and
think they are a major problem (via most polls and studies taken). As
long as that is the case, we will see every President treat them the
same way. It does not matter if most people are swayed by stupid propoganda
to make them hate drugs, they still do. Besides Clinton did not even have
the balls to admit he smoked a joint. He said " I did not inhale". Why did
he do this? Because he did not want to lose political standing with the
majority of people, who all hate drugs. Funny, when we all saw Mayor Marion
Barry (Democrat) of DC, smoking crack on video tape. He said "bitch set
me up". Maybe if he said "I did not inhale", we would have forgiven him.
Gee and he was a democrat, who smoked crack, did he legalize drugs? Nope.



Now I don't like Clinton at all. I don't like Bush. I don't like Gore.
But I think it is sad when people try to point out perceived ideological
differences on issues, when they never will be enacted.

 *
 * Man, you are just a fucken expert on everything, aren't ya?  Man... the

Like everyone here is an expert on anything?

 *
 * Oh really?  What is he is trying to say?  I broke up his entire post.  What
 * did I miss?  What golden intellectual giblet did I not see?  I wasn't
 * disagreeing with him as much as insulting him- because he obviously needed
 * it.  He really made no points at all, but managed to expose himself as the
 * bloated, repugnant, and very likely, ugly person that he is.  Anyway, Vince,
 * you are clearly more interested in chest thumping yourself into intellectual
 * oblivion about being a "proud amerikan!" than anything else.  That long
 * tirade of yours about how ameriKa is the greatest place on earth and
 * *  everything else and everyone else sucks and every other country is just
 * jealous of our success is one of the dumbest pieces of fuck I've ever read
 * from someone who fancies himself as intelligent.  I'll repeat: fucken
 * pathetic.
 *
 * -=oobe

What is more pathetic trying to have a debate on subjects people have
differing opinions on. Or just resorting to pointless name calling?

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Subject: Re: [(orb) Something unrelated but vastly important to everyone!]
Date: 03 Jun 2001 18:14:39 -0400 (EDT)


 *
 * Incidentally by my nature I am extremely Left wing so I have a notable
 * critcism for Bush and other politically Right people's ideologies, secondly
 * I am not a great fan of 'patriotism' as all it seems to do is promote
 * imperialism/capitalism both of which contribute to Third World debt, and
 * only further compounds the problems of the world as wealth is so unevenly
 * distrubuted.
 *

I would also point out that a signifigant amount of the problems in many
poor and Third World countries comes from War. Most of the time that war
is not some 1st world country, or more specific to this discussion, the
US vs some Third World country. It is often groups within that country.
Be it different tribes in African Nations, or different Religions in
Bosnia. Some of it is brought on by leaders who want power and the money
that comes with it, from controlling the nations banks, and natural resources,
inciting people of their religion, race, etc. into patriotism.They then use
that group to gain power. It is very difficult to come up with proof that
the very existence of 1st World countries (has everyone even heard of a
second world country?) creates or perpetuates the existence of 3rd world
countries or the fact that they are poor. In fact one of the problems is
that when money is given to such countries it often just lines the pockets
of the leader. Or else jobs created by foriegn companies and investment
does not have a completely positive effect. Some people have more money
but the environment gets wrecked. But there again you can look at countries
largely unaffected by 1st world money, like Indonesia. In Indonesia, the
principle environmental problem is the yearly mass deforestation and the
smog from the burning of those trees by poor sustenance farmers.

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From: Andrew Krieg <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Discography Updates
Date: 03 Jun 2001 18:47:41 -0700


I just sent Lazlo a big update for his discography for whenever he gets the
time to update it.  It contains most of the Orb related stuff that's been
released since Lazlo's last version, in Lazlo's format.

If you use Lazlo's list to manage your collection and are interested in
getting a copy of my update, just drop me an e-mail.  You can then cut and
paste the entries into the proper section of your list.


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From: M JH <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2?
Date: 03 Jun 2001 17:22:02 -0700 (PDT)


Sorry if this has been covered, I'm not sure, but
Amazon is slating Volume 2 of Auntie Aubrey for July
10th release + release of volume 1 that same day. But
what is the track listing of volume 2? Have I missed
something? Please tell me it's not the original
release split into 2 seperate purchases.....




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From: "hardacid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) towers of dub - solaris mix
Date: 04 Jun 2001 01:11:20 -0400


Can someone upload this to the OAA?

Thanks
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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) 5/31 teatime featurn youth.
Date: 04 Jun 2001 00:53:13 -0600


is NICE.  just some fairly mellow and ambient records - the classic ambient
house playlist (with a few exceptions.)



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From: JC DERRIEN <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) OT : Sueno Latino
Date: 04 Jun 2001 12:00:25 -0700



--
It's not completely Off-topic, as LX played sometimes this track on
his DJ sets (and in fact, I'm looking one of his versions he played
and that I don't have).

Does anyone on the list has other versions than these ?
Please let me know.

Sueno Latino : Sueno Latino

Kayestone Tribute Mix (radio edit) 3.38
Bushwacka ! Tek Mix 7.54
Kayestone Tribute Mix 8.21
The Latin Dream Mix (Edit) 3.55
The Latin Dream Mix 10.35
Cutmaster G Edit 3.48
Acapella Version 1.25

JCFromParis

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From: Simon Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) OT : Sueno Latino
Date: 04 Jun 2001 20:40:36 +0800


At 12:00 PM 06-04-2001 -0700, you wrote:
>--
>It's not completely Off-topic, as LX played sometimes this track on his DJ
>sets (and in fact, I'm looking one of his versions he played and that I
>don't have).
>
>Does anyone on the list has other versions than these ?
>Please let me know.

does E2:E4 by manuel gottsching count? :)


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Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 04 Jun 2001 14:11:33 -0000


  * Oh really?  What is he is trying to say?  I broke up his entire post.
What
  * did I miss?  What golden intellectual giblet did I not see?  I wasn't
  * disagreeing with him as much as insulting him- because he obviously
needed
  * it.  He really made no points at all, but managed to expose himself as
the
  * bloated, repugnant, and very likely, ugly person that he is.  Anyway,
Vince,
  * you are clearly more interested in chest thumping yourself into
intellectual
  * oblivion about being a "proud amerikan!" than anything else.  That long
  * tirade of yours about how ameriKa is the greatest place on earth and
  * *  everything else and everyone else sucks and every other country is
just
  * jealous of our success is one of the dumbest pieces of fuck I've ever
read
  * from someone who fancies himself as intelligent.  I'll repeat: fucken
  * pathetic.
  *
  * -=oobe

What is more pathetic trying to have a debate on subjects people have
differing opinions on. Or just resorting to pointless name calling?

jon

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I would also like to point out that oobe is a 'chest thumping' 'amerikan' -
self-admittedly. He said it in a personal email he sent me - not that I'm
bitter.

Now does this point out just a tad bit of hypocrisy here? (with the implied
disgust he used the term, stated above, or was commending Vince on being
one?)

Lee.


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Subject: (orb) plant a dub tree
Date: 04 Jun 2001 10:10:11 -0500



did cydonia leave you limp?  dub trees is a must.  first time listen i heard
reminiscent bits of pomme fritz, chill out and floyd among with the
thickest, stickiest dub tribal riffs anywhere. some fitting samples too.
took me a month to track one down but well worth the effort.  before you ask
- no i will not make a copy of this for anyone...sorry.  i am a collector
not a cdr trader and i respect the artists.   so good luck finding one of
your very own.

can anyone tell me what they thought of avalanches?  900 samples plus??

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Subject: Re: (orb) plant a dub tree
Date: 04 Jun 2001 16:06:25 +0100


So!
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Subject: Re: [Re: (orb) plant a dub tree]
Date: 04 Jun 2001 11:44:35 EDT


Y'know, there was a insert from the record label inside my copy of Dr. LX=
's...
and it listed Dub Trees as on the label, as well as a website URL.  Sorry=
, I
haven't got the CD with me today, so i can't post it right now, but I bet=

you'd be able to get more info there.  I've been meaning to check it out
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Subject: Re: (orb) plant a dub tree
Date: 04 Jun 2001 16:46:22 +0100


Can anybody on the list tell me if there is anywhere on line i could buy
this? Is there a record label site perhaps?
g

> ===>from a small record shop in milwaukee called atomic records.  they had
a
> copy of the orb's breeseblock cdr too.  cool little shop if your ever in
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Subject: RE: (orb) plant a dub tree
Date: 04 Jun 2001 10:53:12 -0500


> Y'know, there was a insert from the record label
> inside my copy of Dr. LX's... and it listed Dub
> Trees as on the label, as well as a website URL.

http://www.liquidsounddesign.com/

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Subject: RE: [Re: (orb) plant a dub tree]
Date: 04 Jun 2001 10:55:59 -0500




Y'know, there was a insert from the record label inside my copy of Dr.
LX's...
and it listed Dub Trees as on the label, as well as a website URL.  Sorry, I
haven't got the CD with me today, so i can't post it right now, but I bet
you'd be able to get more info there.  I've been meaning to check it out
myself, but too many other things to buy right now!

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Date: 04 Jun 2001 12:49:04 EDT


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Date: 04 Jun 2001 10:10:11 -0500



did cydonia leave you limp?  dub trees is a must.  first time listen i heard
reminiscent bits of pomme fritz, chill out and floyd among with the
thickest, stickiest dub tribal riffs anywhere. some fitting samples too.
took me a month to track one down but well worth the effort.  before you ask
- no i will not make a copy of this for anyone...sorry.  i am a collector
not a cdr trader and i respect the artists.   so good luck finding one of
your very own.

can anyone tell me what they thought of avalanches?  900 samples plus??

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From: "dirk dogood" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [Re: (orb) plant a dub tree]
Date: 04 Jun 2001 08:28:02 -1000


if yer in san francisco, i saw this cd at Ameoba last week...

online - amazon.com has it in stock for $24.49

g


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Subject: RE: (orb) plant a dub tree
Date: 04 Jun 2001 13:33:59 -0600


the reminiscent bits of fritz are excellent, i agree.  i had to buy the
avalanches on vinyl i was so impressed.  i have a clip of the original
frontier psychiatry samples if anyone is interested...

>
>
> did cydonia leave you limp?  dub trees is a must.  first time
> listen i heard
> reminiscent bits of pomme fritz, chill out and floyd among with the
> thickest, stickiest dub tribal riffs anywhere. some fitting
> samples too.
> took me a month to track one down but well worth the effort.
> before you ask
> - no i will not make a copy of this for anyone...sorry.  i am
> a collector
> not a cdr trader and i respect the artists.   so good luck
> finding one of
> your very own.
>
> can anyone tell me what they thought of avalanches?  900
> samples plus??
>
> john
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Subject: RE: (orb) plant a dub tree
Date: 04 Jun 2001 19:59:12 -0600


it's the original (10 minutes or so) clip, taken from vinyl source (i
assume).  pretty intersting and quite funny...

>
> what clip do you mean here? film clip?
>
>  i had to buy the
> >avalanches on vinyl i was so impressed.  i have a clip of
> the original
> >frontier psychiatry samples if anyone is interested...
> >
> >>
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From: noraa selim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) samplespotting
Date: 04 Jun 2001 19:34:27 -0700 (PDT)


Was just listening to ARM (one of the new tracks) and I recognised squarepushers "Come on my Selector" at about 2:06-2:09. It's slowed up a bit but pretty sure that it's him.





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From: Michael Hlady <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Fake LX Fiasco
Date: 05 Jun 2001 12:01:49 -0600


Just returned from my weekend in Vancouver
where I did not see LX OR his imposter play
a DAMN THING!

No worries though, my girlfriend works for an airline
so the flights were essentially free.  I wouldn't be able to
live without bloodshed had I actually paid for the flights.

The poor bastard got arrested at his hotel before the vancouver orb massive
arrived for the lynching.  Apparently this fellow had identical piercings
as LX and a fake passport.  The poster on the door of the club ended with
"legal action pending" so I assume LX or his label will be suing.
My only discomfort with the whole ordeal is that a reply to the initial
imposter
warning was sent out by the promoter stating that they had the real LX.
This leads
me to believe they may have known all along, which makes me hate them more
than
the imposter himself.

Thanks to dub hifi for grabbing me a ticket and the west coast flava  :/~
before wettbar.

While at the virgin music store I picked up their last copy of Voyage Into
Paradise,
but at a price of $35 Canadian = $22 US !!  What have the rest of you been
paying for this album?

Not too bad of a visit, but I hope we have better luck with areaone!

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Date: 05 Jun 2001 02:29:35 EDT


i got mine for $23 tax included at the store by my house.

In a message dated Tue, 5 Jun 2001  1:55:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael Hlady <[e-mail]> writes:

While at the virgin music store I picked up their last copy of Voyage Into
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Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2?
Date: 05 Jun 2001 10:56:28 +0100


No idea what the track listing is.... Smiley?

I know that Auntie Aubrey 2 is due for a release sometime in the next
millenium (stated on the Orbsaurus), but not sure when it's going to be
released?

I've checked http://www.deviant.co.uk/, which was the label for Auntie
Aubrey 1, and they don't mention anything about it...

Anyone?


Nick ;-)

> Sorry if this has been covered, I'm not sure, but
> Amazon is slating Volume 2 of Auntie Aubrey for July
> 10th release + release of volume 1 that same day. But
> what is the track listing of volume 2? Have I missed
> something? Please tell me it's not the original
> release split into 2 seperate purchases.....
>
>
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005LMXT/qid=991613093/sr
> =1-1/ref=sc_m_1/107-4279378-7755735



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Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2?
Date: 05 Jun 2001 11:11:17 +0100


CD NOW also list the album as being available on July 10th at
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=1237957991/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/al
bum.html/ArtistID=ORB/ITEMID=1395174

l8rs,


Nick ;-)

> No idea what the track listing is.... Smiley?
>
> I know that Auntie Aubrey 2 is due for a release sometime in the next
> millenium (stated on the Orbsaurus), but not sure when it's going to be
> released?
>
> I've checked http://www.deviant.co.uk/, which was the label for Auntie
> Aubrey 1, and they don't mention anything about it...
>
> > Sorry if this has been covered, I'm not sure, but
> > Amazon is slating Volume 2 of Auntie Aubrey for July
> > 10th release + release of volume 1 that same day. But
> > what is the track listing of volume 2? Have I missed
> > something? Please tell me it's not the original
> > release split into 2 seperate purchases.....
> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005LMXT/qid=991613093/sr
> > =1-1/ref=sc_m_1/107-4279378-7755735



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Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2?
Date: 05 Jun 2001 11:45:05 +0100 (BST)


Nick wrote:
> No idea what the track listing is.... Smiley?

nope - i put together a 2MD set as a possible
tracklisting for AA2, but that was 2-3 years ago
now...

> I know that Auntie Aubrey 2 is due for a release
> sometime in the next millenium (stated on the
> Orbsaurus), but not sure when it's going to be
> released?

i wouldn't hold yer breath!

cheers,




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Subject: Re: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2?
Date: 05 Jun 2001 20:32:02 +0800



>Sorry if this has been covered, I'm not sure, but
>Amazon is slating Volume 2 of Auntie Aubrey for July
>10th release + release of volume 1 that same day.

that'd be nice, really - 4 years without any new Orb albums and then we get
two in the one year. :)


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Subject: Re: [(orb) Fake LX Fiasco]
Date: 05 Jun 2001 08:52:30 EDT


$21 including tax.  Gotta love a good local that supports "the scene."

Michael Hlady <[e-mail]> wrote:

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Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey vol 2?
Date: 05 Jun 2001 10:25:55 -0400 (EDT)


> nope - i put together a 2MD set as a possible
> tracklisting for AA2, but that was 2-3 years ago
> now...

    I wrote to deviant a couple of times and I heard from this woman
christine who works there that they expect release sometime towards the
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Subject: (orb) Badorb-Garphoo sleeping?
Date: 05 Jun 2001 16:47:30 +0200 (CEST)


Hi,

It seems ordering still don``t work on www.badorb.com,
will it ever work????Orders should be placed till 21st
June,hahahaa!!
If Smiley got some records (BOB 1+3) in london, could
it get an official release? What kind of shop was it,
the orb``s fan shop?

Besides the AFD Remix is really wonderful, the orb mix
is quiet nice, a voice is telling something about
hypnotic drums, the Coldcut mix is great.

CY,
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Subject: (orb) Voyage into Paradise
Date: 05 Jun 2001 10:01:51 -0700 (PDT)




        Streetlight records in Santa Cruz is selling it for $16.98
(although I managed to find a used copy, for the not so used price of
$11.95), so I wouldn't pay much more for it.  They are also selling the
dub trees CD for $17.98, although I found it on a web site (sorry can't
remember the URL!) for $13.87 yesterday.

Let's all hold our collective breaths for Auntie Aubrey 2 and badorb! :)


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Subject: Re: (orb) Voyage into Paradise
Date: 05 Jun 2001 13:18:03 -0400 (EDT)


> Let's all hold our collective breaths for Auntie Aubrey 2 and badorb! :)

    Has anyone else noticed that badorb is totally down right now?
Maybe they've finally got their collective asses in gear and are currently
migrating to/deploying the new web site? :)



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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2
Date: 05 Jun 2001 13:46:15 -0400


anyone know what artists will be covered on this one? i think U2 will be on
there...




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Subject: Re: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2
Date: 05 Jun 2001 13:55:31 -0400 (EDT)


> anyone know what artists will be covered on this one? i think U2 will be on
> there...

    To this day, I can't figure out why people are so into the U2
remix... I mean, yeah its rare and yeah its unreleased, but its in the
breezeblock set and from what I can tell its not really very good. :)



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Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2
Date: 05 Jun 2001 14:56:41 -0400


actually i heard it was going to be on AA2 a long time ago and that was the
last i heard about it...

if their is rare Orb track out people are going to want to listen to it,
even if ti sucks...


::    To this day, I can't figure out why people are so into the U2
::remix... I mean, yeah its rare and yeah its unreleased, but its in the
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From: matthew glidden <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) aubrey mixes '91 vs. '94 ?
Date: 05 Jun 2001 21:27:07 -0400



    greetings all,

    i recently procured a copy of the aubrey mixes cd after many years, and
i'm wondering how to tell the difference between the '91 and the '94
reissue?  looking at the discography, the numbers are the same (BLR CD14)
and it's big life/wau! mr. modo...mine says copyright 1991, but i'm
wondering if it's different on the '94?  for reference, the other numbers
on the disc are "511811-2" and "LC6816".  i see stuff in the discography
about the "Nimbus matrix #" and "Mayking matrix #", but i have no idea what
that is...

    anyway, i'm being obsessive, but oh well...it's the aubrey mixes!  ;)  if
anyone could lemme know, i'd be most appreciative...

    thanks,
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Subject: Re: (orb) aubrey mixes '91 vs. '94 ?
Date: 05 Jun 2001 18:33:51 -0700


matthew glidden wrote:

>    i recently procured a copy of the aubrey mixes cd after many years, and

Congratulations!

> i'm wondering how to tell the difference between the '91 and the '94
> reissue?  looking at the discography, the numbers are the same (BLR CD14)
> and it's big life/wau! mr. modo...mine says copyright 1991, but i'm
> wondering if it's different on the '94?  for reference, the other numbers
> on the disc are "511811-2" and "LC6816".  i see stuff in the discography
> about the "Nimbus matrix #" and "Mayking matrix #", but i have no idea what
> that is...
>
>     anyway, i'm being obsessive, but oh well...it's the aubrey mixes!  ;)  if
> anyone could lemme know, i'd be most appreciative...

Look at the center of the CD, near the hub, on the bottom surface. There
will be text reading either "MASTERED BY NIMBUS" or something with
Mayking. The Nimbus one is the first pressing, the Mayking one is the
re-press.

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From: Justin Roby <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2
Date: 05 Jun 2001 22:20:07 -0400


Of course, here's hoping AA2 is in *stereo*... ;)

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Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2
Date: 06 Jun 2001 03:56:38 +0100


Well, according to the Orbsaurus, it will be, together with the reissue of
AA1!!

"AUNTIE AUBREY: Soon to be repressed. In Stereo."

l8rs,


Nick ;-)

> Of course, here's hoping AA2 is in *stereo*... ;)
>
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Subject: RE: (orb) Badorb-Garphoo sleeping?
Date: 06 Jun 2001 04:00:37 +0100


Yes, it does seem to have all gone quiet on the badorb front - again!!!

Promos of BOB 1-3 are doing the rounds... I think that Esprit has a copy of
the BOB2 promo for about 15 quid (or at least they did have)...

THE ORB Badorb.com (2001 UK 2-track promo 'eye' picture
 label 12",  custom picture sleeve BOB2)

Anyone have any more info on the badorb releases??

l8rs,


Nick ;-)

> It seems ordering still don``t work on www.badorb.com,
> will it ever work????Orders should be placed till 21st
> June,hahahaa!!
> If Smiley got some records (BOB 1+3) in london, could
> it get an official release? What kind of shop was it,
> the orb``s fan shop?
>
> Besides the AFD Remix is really wonderful, the orb mix
> is quiet nice, a voice is telling something about
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From: Justin Roby <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2
Date: 06 Jun 2001 08:55:15 -0400


Yay!

BTW, according to CDNow, AA2 is being put out by Ultra Records
(www.ultrarecords.com), who, for some reason, list the tour dates for the
Orb on the Area One tour... but no listing of upcoming releases is to be
found on the site.

Justin

> From: "Nick King" <[e-mail]>
> Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 03:56:38 +0100
> To: "'[e-mail]'" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: RE: (orb) Auntie Aubrey 2
>
>
> Well, according to the Orbsaurus, it will be, together with the reissue of
> AA1!!
>
> "AUNTIE AUBREY: Soon to be repressed. In Stereo."
>
> l8rs,
>
>
> Nick ;-)



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Date: 06 Jun 2001 08:33:52 -0700



>It seems ordering still don``t work on www.badorb.com,
>will it ever work????Orders should be placed till 21st
>June,hahahaa!!
>If Smiley got some records (BOB 1+3) in london, could
>it get an official release? What kind of shop was it,
>the orb``s fan shop?

       here's another question...i thought these were supposed to be pressed in limited quantities just for the people that pre-ordered them thru the website..if that's the case, what are these doing floating around london?  (although i understand some promos were also given away @ orb shows over the past few months)

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Subject: (orb) AA2 - track listing
Date: 06 Jun 2001 17:52:00 +0200


Hi,

Here's what we can see on tower records website :

Auntie Aubrey's Excursions... Part 2

Disc 1:
 3 A.M. Eternal - The KLF (Blue   Danube mix)
Staring At The Sun - Wendy & Lisa  (Re-Mix-In-A-Carnation)
Crystal Clear - The Grid (Clear As  An Unmuddied Lake mix)
Sunburst - System &
777 - System 7
Music For A Sound Harmonium -Penguin Cafe Orchestra
Time To Make You Mine - Lisa Stansfield (In My Dreams mix)
Higher Than The Sun - Primal Scream (Higher Than The Orb mix)
Mother Dawn - Blue Pearl
Globe, The - B.A.D. II
Movin' - Marathon (Orbital Ambientapella mix)
O Je Suis Seul - West India Company (Orient Express mix)

Disc 2:
Zombie - The Cranberries (Camels  Humpo remix)
Perfect Drug, The - Nine Inch Nails (22.8cm Screws mix)
Jo The Waiter - Tubeway Army
Art Of Love - Art Of Noise
Sentinel (Orbs Of Light) - Mike Oldfield
Beams Of Light - Pato Banton
Crappage - Front 242 (Never Hurry  A Murray mix)
Red Summer - Sun Electric (Orb  Koskiewics mix)
 Lily Was Here (Space Medical Unit  Hum) - Dave Stewart
Halleluwah (Halleluna Orbus II) - Can
Reefer Song - Mindless Drug Hoover(Grass Garden Of... mix)
Angel Art - Witchman

Release date: 07/10/2001
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Subject: (orb) Art of Noise: Art of Love
Date: 06 Jun 2001 11:15:57 -0500


This is now on AA2.  I have this CD Single.  Youth is credited for the remix
and Alex is credited as the DJ.  I've never really known what to think of
this.  What did he contribute?  I wonder if this is a case of him just
adding a few samples after the bulk of the work was done.

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Subject: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 06 Jun 2001 15:56:43 EDT


Does anyone know if a clone would have similar music appreciation and abilities as the original person?
Would a genetic clone Alex produce similar remixes?

Perhaps the only thing to really compare it to is identical twins. Generally do identical twins have similar musical appreciation and talent or is individual interests and experience, the factor.
Anyone know anything about this?
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From: John Goelzer <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 06 Jun 2001 15:26:28 -0500


I think some friends and I encountered the LX clone on April 23 wandering
the book section of the Virgin Megastore in Chicago. Why do I think this?

- He trainwrecked a bunch of times during his instore set. I know LX is
hardly the most technically skilled DJ, but this was fairly cringe-inducing
stuff.

- He was aloof--in fact, he was downright rude--to a couple of friends of
mine whose dream it was to meet the man and who presented him with a free
pack of (excellent) vinyl from their small record label. Hardly the
friendly, approachable, affable LX that's been described ad nauseum on this
list.

Anyone else run into this impostor? It was a decidedly unpleasant
experience. My friends used to worship the man, and now think he's just an
asshole. And not a very good DJ, either.

These opinions are not necessarily my own, but I can't really blame my
friends for having them. I shot the breeze (separately) with him in the book
section about the technical problems they'd had in Detroit (ADATs blowing
up, etc.) and didn't so much find him rude as much wonder whether he might
have some kind of social anxiety disorder or something. But I too was
surprised after reading again and again on this list about how apparently
open he is to interacting with fans.

Maybe he was just having a bad day. Or maybe it was the clone...

JG

PS - Well-considered rebuttals are welcome, but please don't flame me out of
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From: John Moxness <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 06 Jun 2001 15:54:02 -0500


he(LX) might have some kind of social anxiety disorder or something.

===>yeah its called years of marijuana addiction.  anxiety becomes a fun
side effect for everyone to enjoy.  but really, i would imagine that the
stress of the tour was probably producing more anxiety than anything.

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Subject: Re: (orb) towers of dub - solaris mix / (orb) plant a dub tree
Date: 06 Jun 2001 14:27:44 -0700



>From: "hardacid" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (orb) towers of dub - solaris mix
>
>Can someone upload this to the OAA?

It's already done, actually! ... look in the Uploads folder.
Someone was kind enough to upload the version from /The Visitor/, but in my
opinion that version is recorded at the wrong speed.  I took the liberty of
uploading a version that is pitched up 10%, which to me sounds right.  Enjoy
one, enjoy both, but by all means enjoy for a fine mix it is indeed.

>From: John Moxness <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (orb) plant a dub tree
>
>did cydonia leave you limp?  dub trees is a must.

Agreed.  I too have made a point of not uploading this, and encourage anyone
interested to order it directly from Youth's Dragonfly label, as any of his
other dub projects are well worth getting as well.
www.dragonfly.co.uk
I got my Dub Trees from Backroads ... www.backroadsmusic.com

Still looking forward to the new Greg Hunter and Thrash albums on Electric
Melt ... anyone heard any news on these?

-=Seofon

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From: Mike Bailey <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 06 Jun 2001 15:51:30 -0600


 > think some friends and I encountered the LX clone on April 23 wandering
 > the book section of the Virgin Megastore in Chicago. Why do I think this?

He did a bunch of these Virgin sets, it was probably the real human.


 > - He was aloof--in fact, he was downright rude--to a couple of friends of
 > mine whose dream it was to meet the man

I thought he was kind of rude to me too--maybe I had some sort of "hero
worship glaze" on my eyes, which people on the list say he hates, although
I tried not to express it. :)  And is he in the habit of writing nasty
messages when signing albums?

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Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 06 Jun 2001 17:01:34 -0500


> He did a bunch of these Virgin sets,
> it was probably the real human.

Just for the record: I know this was the real LX; my talk of "the clone" was
mere sarcasm, riffing on the clone/impostor messages of late.

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Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 06 Jun 2001 17:02:47 -0500


> maybe I had some sort of "hero worship glaze"
> on my eyes, which people on the list say he hates

I don't remember hearing that before. Anyone care to elaborate/illustrate?

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Subject: Re: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 06 Jun 2001 18:48:50 -0400


On Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:51:30 -0600 Mike Bailey <[e-mail]> writes:
> And is he in the habit of writing nasty messages when signing albums?
> Mike

I had him autograph the booklet from Perpetual Dawn when I saw him DJ at
Motor a couple of years ago. He wrote "In Orb We Truzt. Love LX '99",
which I didn't think was nasty.

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Subject: Re: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 06 Jun 2001 22:23:02 -0400


> He trainwrecked a bunch of times during his instore set. I know LX
is
> hardly the most technically skilled DJ, but this was fairly
cringe-inducing
> stuff.


I'm going to have to disagree.

I've seen him do shit with ambient that turntablists w/ hip hop only
dream of doing. like looping to records by hand. his sets are eclectic
and after the ninja tune camp, he's the only one dropping vocal
samples thougout. to top it all off, he mixes with cds, tapes and
vinyl... so he's quite the busy man in the booth.

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Subject: Re: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 06 Jun 2001 22:25:19 -0400


> I thought he was kind of rude to me too--maybe I had some sort of
"hero
> worship glaze" on my eyes, which people on the list say he hates,
although
> I tried not to express it. :)  And is he in the habit of writing
nasty
> messages when signing albums?

The one signature i have says:

"Much Love from the Ultraworld... LX"

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From: noraa selim <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) red worm on groovetech
Date: 06 Jun 2001 21:14:40 -0700 (PDT)


Anyone catch  the track Redworm on the 8-2-1 Groovetech session at around 157:50? I just think this funny cuz it's been around for a while and we had no way of knowing it was him. Kinda makes me wonder how many other songs of his he has played under our ignorant collective nostrils. ª■

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Subject: Re: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 06 Jun 2001 21:24:31 -0700


(snip)

> > hardly the most technically skilled DJ, but this was fairly
> cringe-inducing
> > stuff.
>
> I'm going to have to disagree.

> I've seen him do shit with ambient that turntablists w/ hip hop only
> dream of doing. like looping to records by hand. (snipped so reply doesn't bounce)

Right, I (dis)agree here as well.  I've heard him mix jungle incredibly
seamlessly, doing crossfader antics and so forth without even thinking
about it - he actually seemed disinterested in the proceedings and
rather distracted.  (To comment on another thread; after his set he
signed my Terrarum insert (the one that goes behind the clear disc
holder - looks neat) "In Orb we trust, (heart) LX.")(And further related
- he was really quite chill and amiable both signing stuff and later
when I was hanging out on the tour bus with him and Meat Beat Manifesto
- I don't mean to name drop but jeez I never get that lucky.  At any
rate, it's well known that touring is full of promotional duties and so
forth, so I'd be pretty understanding if the guy was in any kind of mood
while dealing with them.)  As far as hearing a mistake or what not,
well, yeah, I've heard him goof up maybe a couple of times, but that
happens to all DJs - everyone gets so obsessed if a guy gets off a
little bit, but I'd much rather hear someone creatively program a set
and mess up a couple times than play a boring set full of long, flawless
mixes - the latter is by far the rule rather than the exception.  Names
not named as who needs another flame war but you know who you are....

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From: Jason I Hicks <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) devinelipswitch
Date: 07 Jun 2001 15:19:29 -0700 (PDT)




        hey everybody!

    Just downloaded a napster file called "devinelipswitch" that may
or may not be Orb, consisting of about 38 minutes of digital weirdness.
Anyone know anything about this?  Any info much appreciated.

PS What about that track called "Microphone test" that someone mentioned
awhile back?  I don't think its Orb, but would love to find out that it is
and where the hell it came from.


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From: "Sean Wolfe" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) devinelipswitch
Date: 07 Jun 2001 17:22:47 -0500


> Just downloaded a napster file called "devinelipswitch" that may
> or may not be Orb, consisting of about 38 minutes of digital weirdness.
> Anyone know anything about this?  Any info much appreciated.

This is not the Orb.

Like the title Says, It's Richard Devine, and it's of his album Lipswitch.
On Warp records/ Schematic Records. If you like it, pick it up.. It's not
rare at all...

Richard's a great guy, I had him come and play a show here in Chicago, Was
pretty damn cool!

Sean


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Subject: Re: (orb) devinelipswitch
Date: 07 Jun 2001 17:22:47 -0500


> Just downloaded a napster file called "devinelipswitch" that may
> or may not be Orb, consisting of about 38 minutes of digital weirdness.
> Anyone know anything about this?  Any info much appreciated.

This is not the Orb.

Like the title Says, It's Richard Devine, and it's of his album Lipswitch.
On Warp records/ Schematic Records. If you like it, pick it up.. It's not
rare at all...

Richard's a great guy, I had him come and play a show here in Chicago, Was
pretty damn cool!

Sean


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From: "hardacid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) devinelipswitch
Date: 07 Jun 2001 21:06:41 -0400


By the way...does anyone know if this is the same Richard Devine that
put out a record on Six Sixty Six Records out of Milwaukee? (Drop bass)?



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Subject: Re: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 07 Jun 2001 20:52:24 -0400


> the latter is by far the rule rather than the exception.  Names
> not named as who needs another flame war but you know who you
are....

*cough*oakenfold*cough*

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From: "Anthony Bryan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) more UK/live stuff to encode? a call to arms
Date: 07 Jun 2001 21:28:08 -0400


saw this on ebay, & lately you guys over there have been mp3ing up BBC
orb stuff, like the new tracks from Lamacq. when I first got on the orb
list (at least 7-8 years?), I had no idea I'd be able to hear songs from
uk radio...I think all we had were a couple 30 second .au samples
(whee!)

the ftps are becoming great compendiums of out o' print orb stuff...its
amazing! I count nearly 10 gigs, 579 tracks, I don't know if winamp is
accurate but it says 124 hours 4 minutes 41 seconds of orb stuff. that's
quite a lot, I'd say.

quite a treat for us fans...what I'm asking for is if people will encode
some of their stuff, like UK stuff they've taped off the radio (are
there any missing peel sessions?) or this mark radcliffe session, or
like that BBC highlight on Adventures where they interviewed lx (I know
that was in real audio), or that Le Petit Orb show from canada that was
in RA (I think I had it but it got corrupted), or anything like that, I
know Gavin & others have live shows (that they understandably may not
want to give up), but if anyone has anything, lets get it going!

we could even get a small CDR tree going for the rarer stuff (altho the
6ish gigs I have besides the 3.5 gig mp3 project would be a lot of
cds)...

or if there are more servers, I could let you synch up so we all have
the same stuff, since I know my site is pretty bandwidth ltd...

just an idea
ant


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The Mark Radcliffe Sessions

side a:
01. nick cave & the bad seeds - o'malley's bar (part 1)
02. baby bird - goodnight
03. teenage fanclub - the shadows
04. salad - kiss my love
05. tindersticks - she's gone

side b:
01. echobelly - car fiction
02. ride - i don't know where it comes from
03. suede - my insatiable one
04. the boo radleys - find the answer within
05. the orb - montagne d'or

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Subject: RE: (orb) devinelipswitch
Date: 08 Jun 2001 01:48:35 -0000



>By the way...does anyone know if this is the same Richard Devine that
>put out a record on Six Sixty Six Records out of Milwaukee? (Drop bass)?


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From: Gavin Miller <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Mouse On Mars USA tour
Date: 07 Jun 2001 22:32:23 -0700 (PDT)


MOUSE ON MARS & Vert:
usa & canada tour 2001

6/7  Philadelphia, Trocadero (w/Vert)
6/8  Washington DC, 9:30 (w/Vert)
6/9 Chapel Hill, Cat's Cradle (w/Vert)
6/10 Atlanta, Cotton Club (w/Vert)
6/12 Austin, Stubb's (w/Tortoise/Takemura/Vert)
6/13 Houston, Numbers (w/Tortoise/Takemura/Vert)
6/14 New Orleans, Howling Wolf (w/Tortoise/Takemura)
6/15 Dallas, Gypsy Ballroom (w/Tortoise/Takemura/Vert)
6/17 Los Angeles, El Rey (w/Vert, Prefuse 73)
6/18 San Francisco, Great American-2 SHOWS (w/Prefuse
73-Early, w/Vert-Late)
6/19 Santa Cruz, The Rio (w/Vert, Prefuse 73)
6/21 Portland, B Complex (w/Vert, Prefuse 73)
6/22 Vancouver, Richards on Richards (w/Vert, Prefuse
73)
6/23 Seattle, Graceland (w/Vert, Prefuse 73)
6/26 Minneapolis, First Avenue (w/Vert)
6/27 Chicago, Metro (w/Vert)
6/29 Detroit, Majestic Theatre (w/Vert)
6/30 Toronto, Lee's Palace (w/Vert)
7/1  Montreal, Cabaret Music Hall (w/Vert)
7/2  Boston, Middle East (w/Vert)
7/3  New York, Irving Plaza (w/Vert)




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From: "Robert Jan Bijleveld" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) I Love Serge / New founds
Date: 08 Jun 2001 09:04:22 +0200


Just came back from a short trip to France. Found the 'I love Serge'
tribute-cd in the local Carrefour Hypermarket.

Also bought the new Air album and the Virgin Suicides soundtrack.

The week before I went to France, I went to a record fair here in Amsterdam.
Found the brown Once More promo on CD. Also found a 14 track (including EDM)
sampler of Cydonia.

Greetz,
RJ
www.orbology.com

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Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 08 Jun 2001 14:05:19 +0100


Whoever it was that asked about the twins and music thing:-

I'm an identical twin and I can say we have very similar interests.

My bro isn't that into the Orb, but he will listen to it if I stick it on.
He sort of went off them in '92 but I remember being with him when we got
Huge ever on Vinyl from Warp records so he was into them at some point. I
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From: AMKontrabecki <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) public praise for Rachel
Date: 08 Jun 2001 09:23:56 -0700



Morning all...

I was VERY surprised to find the 400+ emails overfilling my inbox when I got
back from vacation.  There were some worked up tempers, eh?  Maybe we should
all meet up once a year to really slug it out in the flesh?

Anyways, this is merely a big Thank You going out to Rachel.  You single
handedly whipped up my vacation into the stuff of legend.  Okay well it was
just great, not legendary.  Seriously, thanks a lot Rachel for everything.
Anne says hi.



Orb content: I'm looking forward to the ex-Orb members new releases on
Electric Melt.  I know it was just recently mentioned here, but anyone who
purchases them should give the list a heads up.  I'm also interested in AA2,
the tracklisting looks good, but not great, still two new Orb releases in
one year!!  We're all getting spoiled now.  Does this mean we won't get
anything for 8 years after this?  Here's to BadOrb working sometime soon...


Hey did anyone reading this far get 'Solesides Greatest Bumps'?  If so
what's your favourite disc of all four?  I'm having a hard time deciding...


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From: Paul Ketley <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Aubrey 2 - release date?
Date: 08 Jun 2001 06:50:46 -0700 (PDT)


To all,

Is the release date the 10th of July or
the 7th of October.

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Subject: Re: (orb) Aubrey 2 - release date?
Date: 08 Jun 2001 16:41:23 +0200


Hi,

What I have seen is:
"Vol. 2-Auntie Aubrey's Excursion - The orb.

                        This item will be released on July 10, 2001. "

Bye,

Johan



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> To all,
>
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> the 7th of October.



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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) OT - Avalanches - Frontier Psychiatry - Original Sample Set
Date: 08 Jun 2001 14:53:27 -0600


I upped this to the OAA for whoever wanted it (can't remember.)  Sorry to
take so long...

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From: "</ x e n l a b >" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) OT: Bored? Try this to waste some time.
Date: 08 Jun 2001 17:15:33 -0400


go to www.shockwave.com
click games.
you should see a pic of some pink hair'd freak.
his name is DJ FU...
in his game you have to collect records and play them on color coded
turntables.
the more records you mix the more points you recieve.
it's pretty neat for about 15 minutes.
oh, and there's this sample of a guy saying "A Race of Ninja DJs"
You have to touch one of the TVs in the game to here it.


</ x e n l a b>

: visual artist
: web producer
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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) nothing to do with the Orb - but interesting...
Date: 08 Jun 2001 17:33:10 -0400


...genetic engineering...

http://www.msnbc.com/news/584617.asp


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From: "Dr.Winston O'Boogie" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) CD: 1991 UK (Big Life; BLR CD14 / 511811-2) [orig.; Nimbus matrix #] Sorry for this OFF.T thread don't wanna make the list a market place! SORRY!
Date: 09 Jun 2001 11:18:07 +0200


G' day all!

Is there someone on the list with a spare copy of CD: 1991 UK (Big
Life; BLR CD14 / 511811-2) [orig.; Nimbus matrix #] In MINT Condition?
My Nimbus matrix is not playing well any more. I promise that I'll pay
You very good for a Mint copy of it! I'm desperate here.. :/

Contact me in private, sorry for the intrusion.

Cheers,
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From: "Nico Baars" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb)
Date: 09 Jun 2001 14:48:13 +0200


Yesterday I was at the Drum Rhythm Festival in Amsterdam to see and hear The
Bays (amongst others like Basement Jaxx)

The Bays is a live band only from Tom & Mark with a drummer, bassist and
some sample & keyboard wizzards. And I completely lost my mind!!!!

Long ambient soundscapes, jazzy and funky beats, loads of samples (voices
and effects) and a set that goes from deep trippy stuff to heavy drum 'n
bass and again from the most beautiful soundscapes into dub and from that
into uplifting deephouse and some breakbeats. They not only enjoyed us, but
they seemed to have a very good time themselves also.

It reminds me of The Orb in 1994 playing also with a drummer, bassist and
percussionist. Bays also used loads of voicesamples, heavy basslines and
some beautiful ambience.

When you have a change to see and hear this band, please do so. You won't be
disappointed!!

Nico



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From: marcolphus <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Request
Date: 09 Jun 2001 18:10:36 +0200


Can someone provide me the times for the following tracks?

The Orb - Passing of Time (film mix)
Another Fine Day: Scarborough Fair (orb's hairborough fair mix)
Big Audio Dynamite II: The Globe (by the orb ambient mix)
D.H.S.: House of God (orb mix)
Love Kittens: What Goes On? (orbient mix)
Saxophonettes: Secret Squirrel (orb-ient mix)
Sun Electric: O'Locco (orbital therapy part 5)
Sun Electric: O'Locco (orbital therapy part 6)
Sun Electric: O'Locco (orbital therapy part 7)
Sun Electric: O'Locco (orbital therapy part 8)
Zodiac Youth: Fast Forward The Future (buckets and bongs mixture)

Thanks in advance!!
--
== http://i.am/marcolphus ====== Fluke & Voo Voo discographies ==


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From: "</ x e n l a b >" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb)
Date: 09 Jun 2001 18:22:54 -0400


Do they have any releases? this sounds awesome...

Has anybody heard of Bullfrog? It's Kid Koala (chinese-canadian
turntablist extrodinaire on the ninja tune label) performing
"skratch-skits" on the back drop of a funk band he's been playing with
for over half his life (he's like 27 and they've been togethor in
canada for about 15 years I believe).

Great, Great Stuff.

-eric



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From: "Seofon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Alex clone - fake LX fiasco!
Date: 09 Jun 2001 16:27:04 -0700


Quoth John Goelzer <[e-mail]>:
> >
> > maybe I had some sort of "hero worship glaze"
> > on my eyes, which people on the list say he hates
>
> I don't remember hearing that before. Anyone care to elaborate/illustrate?

Jack Dangers actually has several amusing stories about LX going so far as
to make little girls cry when they approach him with too many stars in their
eyes.  I don't think he does it malevolently, he's just a sassy geezer
having some fun.

Of course, if you approach him late on at a gig, he's likely to be flying
high, so who knows what'll come out of his mouth.  I had a real nice
conversation with him once about the CIA and giant holograms that made no
sense whatsoever (but apparently had something to do with 'Pomme Fritz').

I think the point is this:  LX is essentially a nice guy.  But he won't go
miles out of his way to be nice to you if he's not feeling it.

This is actually a debate that stars of all kinds have to deal with.  Do you
put on a smiley face for your fan no matter how shitty the circumstances, or
do you place the burden of responsibility on the fan to treat you like a
real person?  I can only imagine what LX has to deal with ...

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From: Agust A J <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb)
Date: 10 Jun 2001 02:21:01 +0000


At 18:22 9.6.2001 -0400, you wrote:

>Do they have any releases? this sounds awesome...
erm...
what stuff of theirs are you refering to?

and yes, they r0xx0rz kthx plz

they made some incredible aurally pleasing stuff...
head over to http://www.allmusic.com & do a search for Global Communication
& read up on all the links you can chase from there.

FIND! BUY!
Global Communication: 76 14 (aka 76:14 aka that ear thingy album)
Global Communication: Pentamerous Metamorphosis (anyone got the original
'94 version? cdr plz? or sell original? :)
Global Communication: The Way / The Deep (good luck on locating the 6 track
version :p
Global Communication: The Groove (/me melts.... track 6 = .... *drool*)
Reload: A Collection of Short Stories
The Theory of Evolution (warpcd29/evcd010)
Link & E621: Antacid ep (wap 59cd/ev007cd)
Jedi Knights: New School Science


heck, find all of their stuff
beg buy borrow steal it all

and have a wonderful great lovely time

---
Agust "Nemesis1"  -  [e-mail]  -  ICQ: 1290264 - http://nem1.cjb.net
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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Aw, c'mon folks!
Date: 09 Jun 2001 23:41:05 -0500


OOBE:

Wow.  Anyone who talks like that and acts like that obviously doesn't have a
grip.  How could anyone even dare try and have a conversation/discussion
with you?  You are rude, inconsiderate, vile, vulgar, nasty, unruly, and
just plain idiotic.  Please calm down and think before you spout off your
little diatribic nonsense.

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From: AMKontrabecki <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) free Bullfrog show(sorry, no Orb)
Date: 10 Jun 2001 10:54:05 -0700



> Has anybody heard of Bullfrog? It's Kid Koala (chinese-canadian
> turntablist extrodinaire on the ninja tune label) performing
> "skratch-skits" on the back drop of a funk band he's been playing with
> for over half his life (he's like 27 and they've been togethor in
> canada for about 15 years I believe).
> -eric
Hey hey, I was wondering if I should check out Bullforg & Kid Koala not even
10 blocks from my studio.  July 21 7:30pm Prospect Park bandshell [Bklyn].
I guess from the above review I'll be there, any other NYC orbies care to
join me?  For Free!!


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Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb-Garphoo sleeping?
Date: 10 Jun 2001 13:40:36 EDT


In a message dated 6/6/01 11:34:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< although i understand some promos were also given away @ orb shows over
the past few months)
  >>
True I was lucky  to get BOB2 at the show in NYC
- - - -- -  --- --Chris in NYC - -- ---- - -


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Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb)
Date: 10 Jun 2001 15:40:25 -0400


I meen the funk laden stuff you were referring to in your earlier
post. I have some of globabl communication's stuff and a couple of
Jedi cuts on a couple of mix CDs But you just saw them live with
'traditional' instruments.... that was what i was referring to.

thanks :-)

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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) san fran maritime show recording?
Date: 10 Jun 2001 14:14:24 -0600


anyone get this? (gavin?)  i have the realmedia sample but am looking for
the show itself.  don't have a whole lot to trade with someone who has this
rarity (as they probably already have all that i do.)  but please let me
know if it's available.

Thanks!



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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) once more promo
Date: 11 Jun 2001 01:34:13 -0600


wasn't someone looking for this...?

http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1437457014


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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb)
Date: 11 Jun 2001 10:16:26 -0400 (EDT)


> Has anybody heard of Bullfrog? It's Kid Koala (chinese-canadian
> turntablist extrodinaire on the ninja tune label) performing
> "skratch-skits" on the back drop of a funk band he's been playing with
> for over half his life (he's like 27 and they've been togethor in
> canada for about 15 years I believe).

    FYI: Kid Koala is much younger than 27... :)



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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb-Garphoo sleeping?
Date: 11 Jun 2001 10:19:38 -0400 (EDT)


> << although i understand some promos were also given away @ orb shows over
> the past few months)
>   >> True I was lucky to get BOB2 at the show in NYC - - - -- - ---

    You should give it to me! :) He only gave those promos out because
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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) OT - R Phelan
Date: 11 Jun 2001 17:47:42 -0600


R. Phelan from NY -- i lost your email but got the v2 cd today --  thanks
and email me when you can!!



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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) does anyone know about a textures cd mixed by darren emerson and alex paterson?
Date: 11 Jun 2001 18:53:41 -0600


anyone?


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From: Chris Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) does anyone know about a textures cd mixed by darren emerson
Date: 11 Jun 2001 17:54:54 -0700


bi11i wrote:
>
> anyone?

Yes.  :P

Check the discography.

Chris

np: Thursday Teatime w/ The Orb 5/31/01


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From: "Nico Baars" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Re: Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard
Date: 12 Jun 2001 12:49:15 +0200


>> Do they have any releases? this sounds awesome...

It really was awesome and The Bays were chosen as best act on a festival
with acts like Basement Jaxx, Reprezant, Kenny Dope Gonzales, Jazzanova etc.
etc.

It's supposed to be a one time project for the Big Chill Festival in England
last year. But reactions were so good they decided to do a few festivals
this summer. As far as i know they're not planning an album ( i really hope
they do a live album!!!!!)

You can get a snapshot of the performance (about 11 minutes) at www.vpro.nl
link Drum Rhythm Festival. Enjoy!

Nico



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From: Susan Bartos <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [(orb) does anyone know about a textures cd mixed by darren emerson and alex paterson?]
Date: 12 Jun 2001 08:45:52 EDT


I have it - check it out, it's amazing!  I do believe I've seen one up fo=
r bid
on ebay. Also check half.com.

"bi11i" <[e-mail]> wrote:

anyone?


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Subject: Re: (orb) does anyone know about a textures cd mixed by darren
Date: 12 Jun 2001 10:28:19 -0400 (EDT)



    Yeah its a mix cd all of tracks from the Trance Europe Express
compilations.... Its out of print and not bad, but if you find one, even
if it's sealed, make sure you can open it up and examine the condition of
the CDs inside. The little thing that holds the cds down in the packaging
is flawed. It doesn't hold the discs down very well, and when they become
loose they scratch up against the little bit made to hold them in, causing
some SERIOUS gouging action.

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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) OAA KLFAA?
Date: 12 Jun 2001 14:35:45 -0600


is there a KLFAA?  trying to find some earlier stuff and haven't really
listened to much but recently had some cd's sent to me -- very nice.  if
anyone has any klf and wants to trade for some misc burns, please let me
know...

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From: "Ivan Cirikovacki" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) new on this list
Date: 13 Jun 2001 00:06:38 +0200


Hello all!

I'm new on this list! My name is Ivan and I'm from Yugoslavia. I've
been a huuuge Orb fan for many years! It was when "Blue Room" came
out, when I first heard about the Orb. But at that time it was very
hard to get any Orb CD here in Yugoslavia. Anyway, a couple of years
later I got my first Orb album and it was "Adventures Beyond The
Ultraworld". And, it's still the best album I've ever heard (plus
Orbvs Terrarvm :))!!! Now I'm very happy being on this list because I
can hear what the other Orb fans think...

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From: "Vince Frank" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) new on this list
Date: 12 Jun 2001 18:34:58 -0500



> later I got my first Orb album and it was "Adventures Beyond The
> Ultraworld". And, it's still the best album I've ever heard (plus
> Orbvs Terrarvm :))!!!

===>Welcome, Ivan!  If you think Adventures Beyond the
Ultraworld and Orbus Terrarum are great (and they are), wait
'til you hear U.F.Orb and The Aubrey Mixes:  The Ultraworld
Excursions!  Two of the greatest albums ever made--in ANY
genre!  :-)

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Subject: Re: (orb) new on this list
Date: 12 Jun 2001 15:35:54 -0700


Welcome Ivan to the club :)

>>> "Ivan Cirikovacki" <[e-mail]> 06/12 3:06 PM >>>

Hello all!

I'm new on this list! My name is Ivan and I'm from Yugoslavia. I've
been a huuuge Orb fan for many years! It was when "Blue Room" came
out, when I first heard about the Orb. But at that time it was very
hard to get any Orb CD here in Yugoslavia. Anyway, a couple of years
later I got my first Orb album and it was "Adventures Beyond The
Ultraworld". And, it's still the best album I've ever heard (plus
Orbvs Terrarvm :))!!! Now I'm very happy being on this list because I
can hear what the other Orb fans think...

Ivan







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Subject: Re: [Re: (orb) new on this list]
Date: 13 Jun 2001 08:36:19 EDT


Amen, brotha! ;)

And welcome to Ivan!

"Vince Frank" <[e-mail]> wrote:

U.F.Orb and The Aubrey Mixes:  The Ultraworld
Excursions!  Two of the greatest albums ever made--in ANY
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From: sleepyBrett <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) damn you graphoo ...
Date: 13 Jun 2001 11:17:47 -0700


its getting mighty close to june 21st .. i wish we could get an update on
badorb.

_
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From: "Seofon / ATOI" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb)
Date: 13 Jun 2001 11:38:18 -0700



Agust A J <[e-mail]> wrote:

>they made some incredible aurally pleasing stuff...
>head over to http://www.allmusic.com & do a search for Global Communication
>& read up on all the links you can chase from there.

I realize that this thread has gotten a little confused, but good God yes
anyone who hasn't checked out Global Communication is missing out in the
worst way.  (Of course, you'd also do well to check out the work of the
clearly inspirational Vangelis, particularly Opera Sauvage, L'Apocalypse des
Animaux, and Blade Runner.)

GloCom "76 14" and "Pentamorous Metamorphosis", and Reload "Collection of
Short Stories," are utterly indispensible recordings.  GloCom "Remotion" is
also a fine collection of their outstanding remix work.  Unfortunately,
though, it looks like the planned and long-anticipated GloCom follow-up LP
is a lost cause.

I have the original version of "Pentamerous Metamorphosis" ... isn't it the
same as the reissue, with the exception of the deletion of the Star Wars
sample?

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From: "Zeljko Cirikovacki" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) new on this list
Date: 13 Jun 2001 21:57:09 +0200


>If you think Adventures Beyond the
>Ultraworld and Orbus Terrarum are great (and they are), wait
>'til you hear U.F.Orb and The Aubrey Mixes:  The Ultraworld
>Excursions!  Two of the greatest albums ever made--in ANY
>genre!  :-)

Yeah! :) I have following Orb albums: ABTU, U.F.Orb + Blue Room, Live
93, Pomme Fritz, Orbvs Terrarvm, Orblivion, U.F.Off and Cydonia, and I
think they're great!  ALL!!! :) Unfortunately, I've never had a chance
to listen to The Aubrey Mixes, because I can't get it here... I've
also
never listened to FFWD (just Lucky Saddle on Trance Europe Express 2)
or Cydonia V1 & V2, although I've read a lot about them.

Thank you all for the words of welcome!!!!!!!!!

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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) new on this list
Date: 13 Jun 2001 16:13:40 -0400 (EDT)


> to listen to The Aubrey Mixes, because I can't get it here... I've
> also
> never listened to FFWD (just Lucky Saddle on Trance Europe Express 2)
> or Cydonia V1 & V2, although I've read a lot about them.

    Ahh, well then perhaps you should check out the Orb Audio Archive
(OAA) ftp site... The OAA is an ftp site that has only rare and out of
print or bootlegged music that the orb have done. The address is
24.1.153.3 and the login and password are both the word "orb" (but without
the double quotes). Enjoy! :)



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From: Tim C <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb)
Date: 13 Jun 2001 13:15:41 -0700


> GloCom "76 14" and "Pentamorous Metamorphosis", and Reload "Collection of
> Short Stories," are utterly indispensible recordings.

Hmmm, I'm going to offer a dissenting opinion here.  I find "76 14" to
be pretty disappointing - it is definitely not "aCoSS."  Much lighter
and IMHO more boring.  So, if you are familiar with "aCoSS" be sure to
listen before buying, as it is different.  The best track on the album
is actually an (uncredited but obvious - I guess it's POSSIBLE it could
be coincidence but come on) cover of one of the Tangerine Dream songs
off the Risky Business soundtrack - which is actually nice as the TD
stuff on the RB soundtrack is way too short, like 2-3 min per song.
Again, all MHO, but I'd hate to see someone (as I did) mail order "76
14" and be disappointed.

Now, that having been said, "aCoSS" is utterly brilliant.  And here is a
secret bonus - the booklet contains a series of stories, which are
stated to correlate to "some" of the musical material (which implies to
me at least that they are basically separate).  Well, I read the stories
separately and forgot about them, had the disc a couple of years, and
then got curious.  What if you try to read along while the cd is
playing?  YES!  The stories correlate EXACTLY to the music - there are
strategically placed samples in the music and text to help you adjust
your reading speed - once dialed in, you can perform this task rather
easily.  The entire booklet goes with the entire cd to the second -
there may be a couple gaps in the text (it's been awhile) but if so, you
can easily find your place when it resumes via the sample method.  (Note
- a vinyl copy of this that I encountered did not have the stories.)

So, apologies if this is common knowledge, but damn it is brilliant.

T


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Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb)
Date: 13 Jun 2001 14:10:46 -0700





>From: Tim C <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail]
>CC: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: (orb) Tom Middleton & Mark Pritchard (sorry, no Orb)
>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:15:41 -0700
>
> > GloCom "76 14" and "Pentamorous Metamorphosis", and Reload "Collection
>of
> > Short Stories," are utterly indispensible recordings.
>
>Hmmm, I'm going to offer a dissenting opinion here.  I find "76 14" to
>be pretty disappointing - it is definitely not "aCoSS."

Actually, I personally agree with you.  Despite "76 14"'s legendary status,
I feel that "aCoSS" is far superior and in fact one of the most brilliant
electronic records ever made.  "76 14" even comes at the bottom of my list
of GloCom discs, but, nonetheless, enough people swear by it that it seems
worth recommending.

To veer somewhat off topic, I might mention that some colleagues and I are
working on a project that is similar to "aCoSS" in that it is an audio
compilation structured around an explicit outer space narrative.  The
project will be called "360 Degrees" and will feature music by eM, Mat
Jarvis (of Emit label fame), Sketch (the Norwegian duo), myself and others.
If this sounds interesting to anyone, email me and I'll put you on the
mailing list!  OK, self-promotion mode off.

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From: Chris Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Multiverse
Date: 13 Jun 2001 16:22:53 -0700


In a largely incoherent interview in Pulse (the house organ for Tower
Records)(I don't know which month, since I tore the article out, but
IIRC, it was the one with Daft Punk on the cover), Alex claims that "I
have a band called Multiverse as well".

This links back to the Puffin In Paradise track from the BadOrb promo
mix. Does anyone have any more details or information on this?

Anyone?

Chris

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From: "Julien Fournier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Newcomer
Date: 13 Jun 2001 22:23:34 -0400


Hi everyone, I just joined this mailing list to share my passion for
electronic music (orb's music more precisly). I live in montreal (quebec,
canada) and I'm 18 years old. I've been a fan since 1999 (quite late eh). I
have all the official albums including some remix projects (auntie aubrey's
excursions...) and some singles. My favorites are adventures, u.f.orb, orbus
terrarum and live '93. Beside the orb, I love almost every genre of
electronic music. Some artists i'd like to mention: Fsol, underworld,
autechre, aphex twin, vangelis, jmj, tangerine dream and pink floyd's
psychedelic period (mainly piper and ummagumma). Thats pretty much it,
looking foward to hear from you guys.

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Subject: Re: (orb) Newcomer
Date: 14 Jun 2001 18:28:03 +0800



>Hi everyone,

hullo! :)

I love almost every genre of
>electronic music. Some artists i'd like to mention: ... pink floyd's
>psychedelic period (mainly piper and ummagumma).

good to know that there's another person around here who likes Piper-era PF
(and says so!) - most of the people i talk to who are PF fans are more
enamoured of DSotM (or the Wall) than P@tGoD, but i don't understand that
at all.


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Subject: (orb) Global Communication
Date: 14 Jun 2001 11:40:26 +0100


Whoever it was the other day asking about GC.....this bloke on Ebay seems to
be selling his entire collection on Ebay, which may interest some of you. If
the link does not work, then just search for global communication.

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&SortPrope
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Subject: (orb) Get some sleep__________________z
Date: 14 Jun 2001 13:23:20 -0000





Greetings from longtime lurker muzelic//muzz::::

How are you really orblist. Are you cozy and warm.
Did you spend enough time on the sheets lately?

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Subject: Re: (orb) Newcomer
Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:38:28 EDT


personally i prefer saucer full of secrets and umagumma over piper at thegates. anyone else have that 'A Nice Pair' albume they released in 73 right before darside. its got a bunch of cool pictures you dont see anywhere else and its just a repress 2xLP of saucer and piper at the gates. cool item

DJ TeleVision

In a message dated Thu, 14 Jun 2001  6:32:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Simon Bennett <[e-mail]> writes:

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>Hi everyone,

hullo! :)

I love almost every genre of
>electronic music. Some artists i'd like to mention: ... pink floyd's
>psychedelic period (mainly piper and ummagumma).

good to know that there's another person around here who likes Piper-era PF
(and says so!) - most of the people i talk to who are PF fans are more
enamoured of DSotM (or the Wall) than P@tGoD, but i don't understand that
at all.


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From: John Goelzer <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Multiverse
Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:09:54 -0500


> "I have a band called Multiverse as well".
> Does anyone have any more details or information on this?

Multiverse is LX + Simon, IIRC...

JG


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Subject: RE: (orb) Multiverse - correction
Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:13:36 -0500


> Alex claims that "I have a band called Multiverse as well".
> Does anyone have any more details or information on this?


Disregard my previous conjecture. I found this from an LX interview:

> "We can morph into four or five different bands between us,"
> Paterson explained, referring to the myriad side projects
> he's worked on over the years. "We can be the Orb, Witchman
> can be Witchman, Witchman and me can be Multiverse, me and
> Simon can be Prayer Box, and Fil, our roadie, can also be
> Autolump."


Sorry to have added to the confusion.


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From: "Vince Frank" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Floyd preferences
Date: 14 Jun 2001 11:32:35 -0500



> good to know that there's another person around here who likes Piper-era PF
> (and says so!) - most of the people i talk to who are PF fans are more
> enamoured of DSotM (or the Wall) than P@tGoD, but i don't understand that
> at all.

===>Actually, I'm partial to _Animals_ and _Wish You Were
Here_....  _Meddle_ is pretty cool, too....

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From: Mike Bailey <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Floyd preferences
Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:18:41 -0600


===>Actually, I'm partial to _Animals_ and _Wish You Were
Here_.... _Meddle_ is pretty cool, too....

Agreed, but come on, aren't there any hard-core Atom Heart Mother fans here?

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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Floyd preferences
Date: 14 Jun 2001 12:29:11 -0400 (EDT)



    Wierd! Those are my favorite 3 albums too. Except I think dark
side should be in there someplace too. Its too seminal to ignore. :)

> ===>Actually, I'm partial to _Animals_ and _Wish You Were
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From: John Moxness <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Floyd preferences
Date: 14 Jun 2001 11:33:39 -0500




its always been the "final cut" for myself.  the final waters album with
floyd.

not now,
john


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From: "TheEye" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Floyd preferences
Date: 14 Jun 2001 12:40:48 -0400


I wouldn't say  I am HARD-CORE but it is one of my favorite Floyd albums,
but then again, which one isn't?!

Floyd was better when Roger Waters was not the major influence.  I mean
after The Wall (and including it) there was heavy influence by Roger Waters
until he left.  Most of the stuff before DS was AWESOME and very original.

Of course has anyone heard anything by Syd Barrett lately?  It sounds like
he is stuck in the 60's!  And does Syd actually stand for 'acid'??


>Agreed, but come on, aren't there any hard-core Atom Heart Mother fans
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Subject: RE: Re: (orb) Floyd preferences
Date: 14 Jun 2001 10:42:35 -0700




>Agreed, but come on, aren't there any hard-core Atom Heart Mother fans here?

       i can't ignore this thread any longer...i'm one of these hardkore atom heart mother fans  :)  it and meddle are my two favorites (although i love all the pre-dark side stuff, and only like the post dark side stuff)..."live at pompeii" is great stuff too (hopefully a dvd release sometime?  please?)  but yeah, i'll shutup now..

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Subject: (orb) Get some community radio on Mon 9-11 est...
Date: 14 Jun 2001 12:02:57 -0700 (PDT)


> How are you really orblist.
My pulse is bounding, yet I swallowed some of the gulf
yesterday next to a smelly pier whilst wave sliding
made my throat sore today.  The 93/3109 amoxocillin,
english tea w/ honey, and asprins as well as Orb w/
headphones are giving me strength.  Intl shouts across
the pond help me too! :)
I would have never known how much Orb was to be
released and encouraged to be traded and shared with
y'all from my subscribing way back in '96 was it???
Can't speak for all... 'cept my birthday is on the
17th (Sunday)!!!
I have some music I'd like for yall to hear this
Monday night (18th)from 9-11 est.  On real audio
http://www.WMNF.org/ I promise to slaughter the
airwaves ; )
Feel free to tune in.  Of course, I will play some Orb
releases that I have achieved via this list!! Probably
some Suzuki Tosca, Pepper, Stereo Mc's, Sonic Youth,
Fireman, Reno, Radiohead, Spiritualized, Sugar Cubes,
New Order, Cure, etchect.... just the gamut of music
to plow safely around on sheets, or fungi, ethyl, or
metas.; tetras; Deltas what have you...  Also you can
e-mail the station .... wait till I'm on air though
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> Did you spend enough time on the sheets lately?

> Special halo to Joseph Hannah in Florida.
" Keep it Real!! "
Now I'm playing Janet - The Dream
E-mail me privately if ya wants ta hear sumthin'
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Subject: Re: (orb) Floyd preferences
Date: 14 Jun 2001 12:31:46 -0700


> its always been the "final cut" for myself.  the final waters album with
> floyd.
>
> not now,
> john

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Subject: RE: (orb) Floyd preferences
Date: 14 Jun 2001 16:13:21 -0400


Yea, nothing like a little of Roger Waters whining to bring you down.  I
have always felt that anything Roger Waters did (from The Wall to all his
solo stuff) is majorly depressing and good for sitting around thinking about
killing oneself.  Ahhh, the old days of the military coming back to me
now...
The only thing that stands out that he did solo was 'The Pros and Cons of
Hitchhiking' which featured Eric Claptons guitar work!  That wasn't so much
of a depressing album as a trip through the mind of one screwed up
individual.

Scott


> its always been the "final cut" for myself.  the final waters album with
> floyd.
>
> not now,
> john

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Subject: Re: (orb) Floyd preferences
Date: 14 Jun 2001 22:29:59 -0700


Don't know how accurate this info is but, a buddy of mine mentioned this to
me (he's a huge Floyd addict)   Waters was asked in an interview not to long
ago if he would ever perform with Pink Floyd again, and his response was
"only with new material".  Then my buddy was apparently talking to some guy
at EMI and mentioned the interview, and the guy said that all FOUR had been
in the studio together not to long ago.



> its always been the "final cut" for myself.  the final waters album with
> floyd.
>
> not now,
> john





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Subject: (orb) OT - Help me Obi Wan, you're my only help....
Date: 15 Jun 2001 14:18:03 +0100


This is bugging me, and I figure someone on the list knows the answer[s].

1. Tune played on MTV uk  sort of down tempo thing. Artist ends in 2 e.g.
Express 2. Don't know the title of the track, but it has a video that's
"banned" with a doll that keeps switching back with a real life woman that
gets spanked and stuff. Bloke with a bald head and sort of Nordic looking
person titting around on made up instruments. Video also has a John Lennon
luke-o-likey doll that ends up screwing the woman doll.

2. On Discovery UK there is a tune that's played with the ads for the Eco
"challenge" thing [seems to be on every ad break]. The titles for it sort of
spin around in time with the music. Being a bit vague, but anyone who has
seen it will know what I'm talking about. Anyway, the tune is really good.

3. Portishead - are they all dead? What's going on?

4. Massive Attack - I read something on their www site that said they were
about to start recording stuff without 3D or was it mushroom?? but not as
massive attack.

anyone, anyone??


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Subject: (orb) Speaking of reunions....
Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:43:09 -0500



> Don't know how accurate this info is but, a buddy of mine mentioned this to
> me (he's a huge Floyd addict)   Waters was asked in an interview not to long
> ago if he would ever perform with Pink Floyd again, and his response was
> "only with new material".  Then my buddy was apparently talking to some guy
> at EMI and mentioned the interview, and the guy said that all FOUR had been
> in the studio together not to long ago.

===>Hmmmm...that *is* interesting....  Hell, who else has reunited
in the past few years?  Iron Maiden (yay!), Styx, Black Sabbath,
Bauhaus(!), Devo (!!!), and so on....

What about THE ORB?!?!?!?  I mean:  Alex, Thrash, and Fehlman.

What's up with Van Halen?  Diamond Dave is the only person that
can save them now (assuming that Edward doesn't bite the
big one in the meantime).

Also, it's a real shame about The Cars--there was talk of a reunion,
but Ben Orr unfortunately passed away last October.  :-(

The Police?  (At least that way Sting would stop making solo
albums!)

Have a great weekend all!

Vincent
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From: Susan Bartos <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [(orb) Speaking of reunions....]
Date: 15 Jun 2001 16:56:31 EDT


If that ever happened, Sting and Stewart Copeland would prolly kill each
other...


"Vince Frank" <[e-mail]> wrote:

The Police?  (At least that way Sting would stop making solo
albums!)


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From: "Julien Fournier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Pink Floyds references
Date: 15 Jun 2001 19:00:42 -0400


Since everyone talks about pf, lets try to figure out the references to pf
that the orb included in their work.

-Back side of the moon (dsotm obviously)
-Live '93 cover similar to pf animal cover
-The building on the following images are obvious references to animal (once
again)
http://www.theorb.com/archives/images/sendpage.cgi?orb004.jpg
http://www.theorb.com/archives/images/sendpage.cgi?orb006.jpg
http://www.theorb.com/archives/images/sendpage.cgi?orb010.jpg

-Pomme fritz cover which is similar to pf's Relics
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000002U0D.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I probably forgot a couple of em.

Now for a funny contest lets find the longest official song title, so far I
got

Pink floyd:
Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And
Grooving With A Pict
sixth track on Ummagumma, 76 caracters

Orb:
A Huge Ever Growing Pulsating Brain That Rules From The Centre Of The
Ultraworld: Live Mix Mk 10
from adventures, 67 caracters + 11 caracters for the mix title = 78!

Pet shop boys:
I Don't Know What You Want But I Can't Give It Any More
3th track on nightlife, 41 caracters (honorable mention for such a pop band)


Have fun :)



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Subject: Re: (orb) Pink Floyds references
Date: 16 Jun 2001 07:54:49 +0800


At 07:00 PM 06-15-2001 -0400, you wrote:
>Now for a funny contest lets find the longest official song title

from http://www.comedy-zone.net/triviazone/music/page2.htm
Longest Song title
The song with the longest title is 'I'm a Cranky Old Yank in a Clanky Old
Tank on the Streets of Yokohama with my Honolulu Mama Doin' Those Beat-o,
Beat-o Flat-On-My-Seat-o, Hirohito Blues' written by Hoagy Carmichael in
1943. He later claimed the song title ended with "Yank" and the rest was a
joke.

so that's not really TOO official.
bloody hell the web makes finding this sort of thing very little fun at all. :)


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From: John Michael Goelzer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions....
Date: 15 Jun 2001 19:18:34 -0500


apart from what Vince already mentioned...



(semi-) recent reunions I was happy about:

EPMD
Echo & the Bunnymen
New Order
David Bowie + Brian Eno



(semi-) recent reunions I wish hadn't happened:

Eurhythmics



almost but not quite:

Art of Noise (less JJ and Gary)
NWA (less Eazy, plus Snoop)
Jane's Addiction
Propaganda



reunions I wish would happen:

The Verve
Tricky + Martina
Galaxie 500
3rd Bass
Pixies
Clash
Bongwater
Big Black
Smiths
Opal
Throwing Muses
Pogues
Deee-Lite



artists & producers I wish would reunite:

Beck + Dust Brothers
Seal + Trevor Horn
Mudhoney + Jack Endino



side projects I wish could be resurrected:

Pailhead
FFWD
DJ Krush + Toshinori Kondo



that's all I can think of for now.


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From: Lysergic Dream <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Pink Floyds references
Date: 16 Jun 2001 02:39:17 -0500


ummmm...  shine on you crazy diamond guitar sample used in peel sessions
version of ahegpbtrftcotw...

lysergic


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>Since everyone talks about pf, lets try to figure out the references to pf
>that the orb included in their work.

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From: Tim C <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions....
Date: 16 Jun 2001 02:43:23 -0700


> reunions I wish would happen:
>
> The Verve
...
> Deee-Lite

Ah, how about Rush, then?  Ha ha, psyche!  They never actually broke up,
back in studio finally now (last studio album was T4E, _1996_), expect
album "re-inventing what they invented" (in their own words) out early
next year.

That is all.

T


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From: orbette <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions....
Date: 16 Jun 2001 07:38:13 -0700


The original Stone Roses.  'nuf said.

'bette

np: Leggo Beast - Smells Good



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> >
> > The Verve
> ...
> > Deee-Lite
>
> Ah, how about Rush, then?  Ha ha, psyche!  They never actually broke up,
> back in studio finally now (last studio album was T4E, _1996_), expect
> album "re-inventing what they invented" (in their own words) out early
> next year.
>
> That is all.
>
> T



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Subject: (orb) Titles
Date: 16 Jun 2001 14:07:26 -0500



> Now for a funny contest lets find the longest official song title, so far I
> got
>
> Pink floyd:
> Several Species Of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And
> Grooving With A Pict
> sixth track on Ummagumma, 76 caracters

===>Another lengthy Floyd title (as far as I can tell) is usually
known simply as "One of These Days," from _Meddle_.  Now, I
saw _Live at Pompeii_--what?  God!--*fifteen* years ago!  Anyway,
I could swear that its title on the film was, "One of these days I'm
Going to cut you into tiny pieces," or something like that.

Vince





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From: John Michael Goelzer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) OT: Live @ Pompeii VCD
Date: 16 Jun 2001 14:58:27 -0500


> I saw _Live at Pompeii_--what?
> God!--*fifteen* years ago!

A few days ago someone was pining for a Live @ Pompeii DVD; just thought I'd
mention that I saw it on VCD the other day. Not as good as DVD, but better
than VHS and will play in most DVD players...

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Subject: (orb) Re: Speaking of reunions....
Date: 17 Jun 2001 01:02:11 -0400


'bette said:

The original Stone Roses.  'nuf said.

Now *this* is a great call. Hmm, lemme come up with a couple...how 'bout...

Oingo Boingo
Camper Van Beethoven
Husker Du
Replacements

Be well all,
Hull



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Subject: RE: (orb) Speaking of reunions....
Date: 17 Jun 2001 11:08:56 +0100


>> The original Stone Roses

Let's face facts:- Ian and John are never going to get on again and the
mustard was left intact whenever Ian choose to "sing" live.

I'm a big Roses fan and I was at Spike Island but I prefer to remember them
as they were ;-)

And just the two albums??.......



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Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions....
Date: 17 Jun 2001 06:14:16 -0700


I only count the first one as the second release was not as good.  And I agree,
they will never get back together.  Pity.

'bette

np:  Marcel - Testek

[e-mail] wrote:

> >> The original Stone Roses
>
> Let's face facts:- Ian and John are never going to get on again and the
> mustard was left intact whenever Ian choose to "sing" live.
>
> I'm a big Roses fan and I was at Spike Island but I prefer to remember them
> as they were ;-)
>
> And just the two albums??.......
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From: Jason I Hicks <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Pink Floyds references
Date: 17 Jun 2001 11:06:52 -0700 (PDT)




    Don't forget the lady saying "we don't need no education, we don't
need no dark sarcasm in the classroom" during Plateau on Live 93 and
during various other live tracks before '97.

My faves: Meddle and Animals, but really they are all classic besides The
Final Cut (sorry to the misguided soul who listed it as their favorite)
and those horrible David Gilmour Band albums.


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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions....
Date: 18 Jun 2001 10:27:07 -0400 (EDT)


> DJ Krush + Toshinori Kondo

    Just wanted to mention this: If anyone on this list DOESN'T own
the album "Ki-Oku," go buy it now. Drop what you're doing, I don't care if
you're on the damn can, go out to tower or coconuts or anyplace you can
think of that might have it, and BUY THIS ALBUM. DJ Krush is one of my
fav. hip hop artists, and Toshinori Kondo is an amazing musician, and has
worked with lots of other famous people (check out an album he did with
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From: "hardacid" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) OAA
Date: 18 Jun 2001 10:49:46 -0400


Is there something wrong with the OAA?
It is very slow and cancels out on me all the time.
It worked great a few days ago.

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Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions....
Date: 18 Jun 2001 13:22:29 -0400


: > DJ Krush + Toshinori Kondo
: Just wanted to mention this: If anyone on this list DOESN'T own
: the album "Ki-Oku," go buy it now.

I concur. Dark Dramatic Chunky Hip Hop Beats w/ Flowery Melancholy Horn
Riffs. Simply Superb. DJ Krush's other original works are also very good.


</ x e n l a b>

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From: Jim Chambers <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) orb sample question
Date: 18 Jun 2001 14:07:23 -0700 (PDT)


anyone know what song is sampled for song #2 ("Orb vs
Coldcut/Kiss FM") from that crappy little 2 song "The
O.O.B.E adventure" CD booklet thingy. Its the sample
where the girl is looped singing "i need you". Thought
I heard somewhere its Kylie Minogue but not having
much luck finding the song. one other thing, what is
the last song on the 96 organicfest boot (track 12 on
the oaa). the track says its fast foward into the
future but never heard this mix. is there a studio
version? like to find a copy the does not have that
ass-hole kroq dj talking over it. someday i'd like to
find that dj and give him a good thump. thanks jim

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From: Boob McNutt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) orb sample question
Date: 18 Jun 2001 17:20:51 -0400 (EDT)


>
>
> anyone know what song is sampled for song #2 ("Orb vs
> Coldcut/Kiss FM") from that crappy little 2 song "The
> O.O.B.E adventure" CD booklet thingy. Its the sample
> where the girl is looped singing "i need you". Thought
> I heard somewhere its Kylie Minogue but not having
> much luck finding the song.

It's a sample from one of the dub mixes of 'Two of Hearts'
by Stacey Q. You might try looking in Used record stores for the
12" that has it on it....


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From: "Anthony Bryan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) orb sample question
Date: 18 Jun 2001 17:27:48 -0400


> version? like to find a copy the does not have that ass-hole
> kroq dj talking over it. someday i'd like to find that dj and
> give him a good thump. thanks jim

I was listening a few days ago & thinking how much violence that guy
deserves. what an ass!

just put up some new shows someone kindly sent me:

The Orb - Glastonbury - 6-27-1997
The Orb - Cabaret Metro - 7-19-1997
The Orb - La Luna - Portland - 8-13-1997

was listening to some of the mp3project shows I think, & it sounded like
"REPEAT, MR & MRS AMERICA, AMERICA HAS NOT FALLEN!" is Orson Welles,
from War of the Worlds, & that cos of that show no one believed him when
he announced that Pearl Harbor had been attacked. dunno if its true, but
it sounded interesting.

ant
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info follows:
----
The Orb - La Luna - Portland - 8-13-1997

1 Intro (Diva)
2 spanish castles in space
3 passing of time
4 lucky saddle
5 blue room
6 bedouin
7 delta mk ii
8 we're getting hot
9 beer beer beer
10 outlands
11 a huge ever growing...
12 lfc
13 unknown
14 SALT
15 toxygene
16 singing in the rain
----
The Orb - Glastonbury - 6-27-1997

1 majestic
2 lfc
3 bedouin
4 toxygene
----
The Orb - Cabaret Metro - 7-19-1997

1 spanish castles in space
2 terminus
3 blue room
4 bedouin
5 delta mk ii
6 we're getting hot
7 beer beer beer
8 outlands
9 a huge ever growing...
10 lfc
11 they're coming 2 take me away
12 SALT
13 toxygene
14 audience - we want more
15 assassin



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From: Lysergic Dream <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) orb sample question
Date: 18 Jun 2001 16:36:58 -0500


its "two of hearts" by ....?  just drew a blank on the artist..

lysergic



At 02:07 PM 6/18/01 -0700, you wrote:
>
>anyone know what song is sampled for song #2 ("Orb vs
>Coldcut/Kiss FM") from that crappy little 2 song "The
>O.O.B.E adventure" CD booklet thingy. Its the sample
>where the girl is looped singing "i need you". Thought

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From: "</ x e n l a b >" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions....
Date: 19 Jun 2001 00:48:56 -0400


> side projects I wish could be resurrected:
>
> Pailhead
> FFWD
> DJ Krush + Toshinori Kondo

I'd add:

Little Wing (robbie hardkiss' old side project... he know does boozy +
swan)
Lunasol (Rabbit in the Moon's alter ego. they did a Floori.d.a. remix
recently, but that could have been a re-issue)

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Subject: Re: (orb) Speaking of reunions....
Date: 19 Jun 2001 00:51:20 -0700


> Lunasol (Rabbit in the Moon's alter ego. they did a Floori.d.a. remix
> recently, but that could have been a re-issue)

Hmmm, these guys seem to still be about here and there.  I have a record
by them (as Hazed this time) called Disconnected.  It is one of the best
techno (in the modern genre sense of the word) tracks I've ever heard.

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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christoph=20Kluxen?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Thursday teatime
Date: 19 Jun 2001 18:36:00 +0200 (CEST)


Hi out there,

I found a track at napster called Thursday
Teatime,that strange track has blow me away, what the
hell is it?

CY,
Christoph

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From: Jason Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) CDR stuff / info
Date: 19 Jun 2001 09:46:04 -0700


For all you CD burners out there, here's some info re: CDRs, and what type
to use, etc.:

---

The best CDR media brands are Kodak and Mitsui.  They cost more but are
worth it.

The ink from Sharpies *will* eventually kill your CD - only use CD-specific
markers: TDK makes one called "CD Mark" (Got one right here :)  I spoke to
one of the bigwigs @ Mitsui and they actually confirmed this rumor.

And as far as the coated ("labeled") or non coated discs go, that is true to
a point with the lesser quality CDRs - coating allows the laser to read
(reflect) better, where if the disc is really thin and almost transparent
<AKA: shite media>, the laser cannot read as well.  But with the good brands
(Kodak and Mitsui), coated or uncoated really doesn't make a difference.

Another thing about janky media is sometimes it will play fine for a while,
but you cannot make a copy of the disc (read errors on your computer, or
corrupt data) - so you end up being stuck with the janky disc.  AVOID JANKY
GENERIC MEDIA AT ALL COSTS!!  Cheaper is not better!  I would definitely
also steer away from Memorex brand media - especially the 80 min. ones.  I
have seem more problems with those than any other media.

Other consumer CDR brands are not *terrible*, just make sure it's a fairly
reputable company (TDK, Verbatim, etc.), and make sure all tracks can be
read by all CD players you have, and the disc can be re-burned with no read
errors or problems.

Also, in general with all brands, Gold-bottomed discs are better and last
about twice as long as Silver bottomed discs (100 years vs. 50)

Also, keep your CDRs out of the direct sun, and on a long term basis,
CD-wallets can eventually scratch your discs because CDRs scratch much
easier than commercially reproduced CDs.  Put backup copies in your wallet,
and keep your originals safe and sound :)


Some places to buy media:

PRICEWATCH:
www.pricewatch.com

CDR PLANET:
http://store.yahoo.com/cdrplanet/index.html

CDR EXPRESS:
http://www.memorymedia.com/cgi-bin/webcart/webcart.cgi?CONFIG=mountain&ENTER
=YES


And all around CDR & burner information and news:

http://www.cdrinfo.com/


HAPPY BURNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     :)




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Subject: RE: (orb) CDR stuff / info
Date: 19 Jun 2001 17:46:37 +0100


>>Also, in general with all brands, Gold-bottomed discs are better and last
about twice as long as Silver bottomed discs (100 years vs. 50)

Showing ignorance here - I thought it was best to use blue CDR's, or better
still black ones??

From bitter experience silver ones are just shite and I bought some from
Argos the other day and I've had nothing but problems with them. I always
thought Silver were better than Gold?


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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) CDR stuff / info
Date: 19 Jun 2001 13:02:42 -0400 (EDT)


> Showing ignorance here - I thought it was best to use blue CDR's, or better
> still black ones??

    The idea is that you want to use one that uses the least reactive
substraight. Gold and silver are WAY inert, especially compared to these
bizarre blue dyes.

> >From bitter experience silver ones are just shite and I bought some from
> Argos the other day and I've had nothing but problems with them. I always
> thought Silver were better than Gold?

    Nope. Gold is by far the least reactive. For both of my
statements, by the way, my metric is shelf life. Gold CDRs will last MUCH
longer than the blue ones. However, if you end up buying cheap gold ones
that have a high failure rate then you're screwed again.

    Everyone I've spoken to has said that the kodaks are the best.




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: (orb) CDR stuff / info
Date: 19 Jun 2001 18:04:58 +0100


rightyouare. If I do stuff for myself I use name CDR's - which tend to be
blue.

If it's stuff for other people then they get my cheap[er] blue ones - and if
I really hate them my cheapo Argos silver ones ;-)

Learnt something new today then - I thought it was the colour [and the
Manufacturer factor] that meant how good it was. I tend to avoid cheapo
ones, but the second to last lot I got were great - no problems at all. This
new lot - forgetaboutit.........



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Subject: RE: (orb) CDR stuff / info
Date: 19 Jun 2001 13:19:31 -0400 (EDT)


On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 [e-mail] wrote:

> Learnt something new today then - I thought it was the colour [and the
> Manufacturer factor] that meant how good it was. I tend to avoid
> cheapo ones, but the second to last lot I got were great - no problems
> at all. This new lot - forgetaboutit.........

i've noticed a lot of variation within brands and types, too -
f'rinstance, i usually go with tdk 80-minute discs, which i've never had
any problems with (burning on a plexwriter 8/32). i think i made like four
coasters out of a few hundred burned discs. anyways, i bought a spindle of
50 a few weeks back and out of this spindle, i had at least five bum
discs.

in conclusion, cd burning is still a highly imperfect science. :)

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From: "*MoonDogg*" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) CDR stuff / info
Date: 19 Jun 2001 10:32:37 -0700


You can't always just go by the brand name, as some brands are manufactured
by multiple factories. It comes down to the factory and the dye they use.

There is some good information on factories, dyes, and lists of all the
different media types, brands, where they were made, and also quality
ratings.

http://www.cdmediaworld.com

*MoonDogg* - you get what you pay for.....

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On Tue, 19 Jun 2001 [e-mail] wrote:

> Learnt something new today then - I thought it was the colour [and the
> Manufacturer factor] that meant how good it was. I tend to avoid
> cheapo ones, but the second to last lot I got were great - no problems
> at all. This new lot - forgetaboutit.........

i've noticed a lot of variation within brands and types, too -
f'rinstance, i usually go with tdk 80-minute discs, which i've never had
any problems with (burning on a plexwriter 8/32). i think i made like four
coasters out of a few hundred burned discs. anyways, i bought a spindle of
50 a few weeks back and out of this spindle, i had at least five bum
discs.

in conclusion, cd burning is still a highly imperfect science. :)

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From: Feisar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) CDR stuff / info
Date: 19 Jun 2001 12:34:40 -0500


Also... http://www.cdmediaworld.com .  Info on software, media, writers,
etc.

Feisar


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Date: 19 Jun 2001 18:33:19 +0100


Which reminds me. I read somewhere the other week that there are only THREE
manufacturers of CD writers.....i.e. your HP or Plextor writer is not
actually what it says it is.

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Subject: Re: (orb) CDR stuff / info
Date: 19 Jun 2001 12:39:24 -0500


Whoops, sorry bout that.  I sent my message, refreshed, and there was
MoonDogg's post.

Feisar


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Subject: (orb) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:27:00 -0400
Date: 20 Jun 2001 15:26:55 -0600


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From: "Seofon / ATOI" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) quick non-Orb plea
Date: 20 Jun 2001 15:06:25 -0700


Does anyone have any of the following for CD-R or mp3 trade?  I'll make it
worth your while!

System 7 "Altitude"
Woob "Void part 2" (12-inch)
Woob "Woob Woob Woob" (demo)
The 4th Barramundi Compilation

-=Seofon


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From: Ed <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) What's In Your Bag?
Date: 20 Jun 2001 17:18:29 -0700




OK, thought it might be time for a new thread.
Many of us profess to be DJ's (part time, full
time, on the side, etc. etc.)  So lets open up
those record bags/boxes and see what everyone
is lugging around this week.  Currently I'm
using a large bag I bought from Moving Shadow
Records in the UK.  It's supposed to hold 70 or
80 12"/LP's.  It's jammed to the limit.  I'm
numbering the discs just to see how many there
actually are.

1.  The Avengers-Laurie Johnson Orchestra
2.  Cydonia-The Orb  2xLP
3.  Scarborough Fair-Another Fine Day (Orb mix)
4.  Select Cuts From Blood & Fire-Various 2xLP
5.  Once More(Blue Cover)-The Orb  (12")
6.  10,000 Hz Legend-Air  2xLP
7.  Chill Out-KLF    LP
8.  Autumn Tactics-Chicane  12"
9.  Lullaby of Clubland-EBTG  2x12"
10. Tracey In My Room-EBTG vs Soul Vision  12"
11. The Mirror Conspiracy-Thievery Corp.  2xLP
12. Shining(Repolished Versions)-Peace Orch. 2x12"
13. Not 17-Mondalay 12" (for that Tom Middleton mix)
14. Real Ibiza 4-Various  3xLP
15. Breakin' It Down-Petalpusher  12"
16. Music & Wine-Blue Six   12"
17. You Are Love-Lovetronic  12"
18. Surrender-Patalpusher   12"
19. Pure-Blue Six  12"
20. Only-Aquanote   12"
21. Rely On Me-Petalpusher   12"
22. Nude Directions EP-Undercover Agency/Project 4 12"
23. Carte Blanche Vol. 1-Various   2xLP
24. Carte Blanche Vol. 2-Various   2xLP
25. Sincere/Crazy Love-MJ Cole   12"
26. What It Feels Like For A Girl-Madge  2x12"
27. Dream On-Depeche Mode    2x12"
28. Interlude-St. Etienne     LP
29. Slave-Sade vs Josh Patrick    12" White Label
30. Tourist-St. Germain   2xLP
31. Release The Dubs-Leftfield   12" White Label
32. Premiers Symptomes-Air   LP
33. Fifth Release-Pizzicato Five  2xLP
34. New Latinaires 3-Various    2xLP
35. Refried Food Pt. 1&2 EP-DJ Food   2x12"
36. Music For Imaginary Films-Arling & Cameron 2xLP
37. Expo Remix-Kraftwerk.   2x12"
38. Groovy Vol. 5-Various  2xLP (jazzy club tracks)
39. GEF-(German Electro Funk?) 12" White Label
        [BLUE 011 - Blue vinyl - Anyone?]
40. Remixes '97 to '00-Jazzanova   5xLP

    plus a couple of 10"

41. Phat Planet-Leftfield    10"
42. Quango High-Tea Social EP-Various   10"

    and a couple of 7"

43. Buffalo Gals-Malcalm McLaren   7"
44. War-H.I.M. Haile Selassie I   7"
45. Sukiyaki-Kyu Sakamoto     7"

That's it!  Looking forward to see what your playing
this week.

DJ Edward aka Fountain Valley Lounge Lizard

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Subject: Re: [(orb) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:27:00 -0400]
Date: 20 Jun 2001 22:03:11 EDT


>:( !


"Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]> wrote:

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Subject: Re: [(orb) What's In Your Bag?]
Date: 20 Jun 2001 22:04:54 EDT


I'm not a DJ, not even close, but this is what's in heavy rotation on the=

turntable/CD player this week.  (Does that count?  Well, you get to find =
out
anyway! ;) )

Interlude, St. Eitenne
Dream On (Pink Noise club mix), DM
Dr. LX Paterson's Voyage into Paradise
New Year's Dub (DJ Elite mix), Musique v. U2
Earth (gaia), the orb
Let There Be Light (Hardfloor mix), Oldfield


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OK, thought it might be time for a new thread.
Many of us profess to be DJ's (part time, full
time, on the side, etc. etc.)  So lets open up
those record bags/boxes and see what everyone
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Subject: Re: (orb) What's In Your Bag?
Date: 21 Jun 2001 00:11:40 -0400 (EDT)


Baja Marimba Band Rides Again

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From: Kael Driscoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) solipse
Date: 21 Jun 2001 17:51:22 +0800


hey that crazy solipse festival is on in zambia as we write....

http://www.solipse.com/

does anyone know of anyone who has gone to see the Orb reunion??????

quote:
This gig is a live jam session with three of the former Orb members - Alex
Paterson, Youth & Greg Hunter.
This is not the Orb as they currently play,
but will be a unique experience not to be missed !



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From: SEBENNE Johan <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Voyage into paradise...
Date: 21 Jun 2001 11:55:41 +0200 (MET DST)


Hi,

Just caught Dr Alex Paterson's 'Voyage into Paradise'
on liquid sound design and it sounds really great
particularly DUb Trees...

For those who have it, is their album in the same vein ???

Bye

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Subject: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players
Date: 21 Jun 2001 08:53:36 -0400 (EDT)



Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player?

I was thinking of purchasing one, but don't really know where to start.

The Creative Nomad Jukebox looks pretty good, but I hear there are other siliar
devices out there as well. Any comments?


james

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Subject: (orb) ORBULLETIN: BAD ORB ACTIVE SOON. HOPEFULLY.
Date: 21 Jun 2001 15:10:41 +0100 (BST)



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a little something of interest to some of you...

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the BADORB CREDIT CARD PAYING SYSTEM SHOULD BE IN
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watch this space...

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From: Orb in me <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players
Date: 21 Jun 2001 18:31:53 +0200


At 08:53 21-6-01 -0400, [e-mail] wrote:


>Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player?
>
>I was thinking of purchasing one, but don't really know where to start.
>
>The Creative Nomad Jukebox looks pretty good, but I hear there are other
>siliar
>devices out there as well. Any comments?

I have a Philips Expanium. It plays from CD, either audio or CDrom with MP3's.
10 hours of play at 128K bitrate on one CD and a set of AA size batteries.
They are being dumped now so if you search, you should be able to get one
cheap.
I bought mine for 75 quid or so in Hong Kong. Expect to pay (a little)
more  here.
Drawbacks: you have to burn a cd full of MP3's first; Low gain on the
headphone out; Not much info on the badly lit display.
Pluspoints: 10 hours of music and it will also play regular CD's; very good
soundquality; 100% shockproof (it has a 90 second audio buffer when playing
MP3's!!)

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Subject: Re: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players
Date: 21 Jun 2001 12:57:57 -0400 (EDT)



Hmm...I should've said that I don't have a CD burner!

I suppose I could purchase one, and buy a portable CD player that recognizes
data CDs with MP3s on them, but then the price would be about the same as a
portable player with a hard drive (a la Nomad jukebox or PMJ - personal music
jukebox) - which (as I understand) can also double as a portable hard drive!


james

> >Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player?


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Subject: RE: (orb) high-capacity MP3 Players
Date: 21 Jun 2001 10:44:54 -0700


I have the Archos Jukebox 6000. www.archos.com

On paper, it was the most appealing to me. Very small. 6GB hard drive, with
2 sets of NiMh batteries that last up to 8 hours. Cheaper than the others.
However, like I said recently, you get what you pay for.

At first I was stoked. Being able to fit over 100 CDs worth of music in my
pocket and take it easily in the car, riding my bike, snowboarding, etc. is
unbelievably convenient. A hard disk based player is definitely the way to
go. Especially when considering the cost is not much more than the 128 MB
memory based players. On top of that, it acts just like a hard drive. You
can store any type of files on it. Use it to transfer files to and from
work, etc. Most players do not let you do this, as they are 'upload only'.

However, after 2 months of using it, I have determined it is a complete
piece of crap. It shuts off all the time. The batteries are poorly mounted
and lose contact with each other, disrupting the power, if you put even the
slightest pressure on the corners. It has a very difficult time dealing with
.mp3s that have ID tags, making all kinds of squawking noises, or not
playing at all.

My recommendation? Avoid this one. The Nomad is probably better quality, but
I don't like the  size, and, as far as I know, you can't use it to download
files. I personally am going to wait for someone like Sony or Kenwood, etc.
to build one.

Definitely do not waste your money on a memory based model, as they are
pretty much worthless compared to the hard drive players.

Others I know about:
http://www.pjbox.com/2001/go.htm
http://www.iomagic.com/products/neo2200.htm

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Does anybody on the list have a high-capacity portable MP3 player?

I was thinking of purchasing one, but don't really know where to start.

The Creative Nomad Jukebox looks pretty good, but I hear there are other
siliar
devices out there as well. Any comments?


james

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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 21 Jun 2001 14:12:02 -0600


i recently upped this to a couple of the file servers if anyone is
interested...(really the only change in tracks from cyd1)

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From: "Marcus Garvey" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Somewhat OT :: Download >> Effector
Date: 21 Jun 2001 16:56:56 -0400


For those seeking twisted electro tracks similar to the ones that Alex mixes
during his DJ sets, I highly recommend Download's latest release Effector ~
although it was released in Oct'00 I just happened across it last month and
it has yet to leave my cd player.

Effector is unlike any previous Download release as it relies on melodies
and dance beats for much more organized structures and fluid transitions
rather than the abrasive chaos and noise of previous releases.

<stolen from the Nettwerk.com>

Key calls Effector a return to the roots, a return to the beginning again.
We
tried to keep the ideas on this album to a sense of what's more listenable
instead of what's more fashionable, he says. Sometimes you get lost in
trends and sometimes it requires going back and rediscovering what it was
that attracted you to making music.

</>

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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) ONLINE RECORD STORES
Date: 21 Jun 2001 17:17:00 -0400


anyone know of a good place to check out? besides CDZONE or SisterRay?




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From: Jason Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 21 Jun 2001 14:24:48 -0700


> i recently upped this to a couple of the file servers if anyone is
> interested...(really the only change in tracks from cyd1)

First of all, thanks!!!  :)  Secondly, which servers?  I have been dying to
hear this one for a while...

Thanks,

_jason_
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From: "dphjr1" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) ThursdayTeatime 25-01-01
Date: 21 Jun 2001 17:44:10 -0400


Saw this on Napster. What is it? A live show? It's almost three hours long!

Any help would be appreciate. Please reply offlist.

Thanks.

Hull



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From: Jason I Hicks <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) jam on yer honey
Date: 21 Jun 2001 15:05:02 -0700 (PDT)



    Try www.hardacid.com under the section for the Orb.



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From: "Alex" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Orb in session with Mark Radcliffe Radio1
Date: 22 Jun 2001 02:30:52 +0100


hello orbsters.

I have a tape I recorded in 95 around July. It is a Radio1 session with Dr
Alex P and Mark Radcliffe (sort of promo session for Orbus Terrarum). just
wondering if this recording is up on the orb archive? I havent really had a
chance to look, besides i dont know the ftp details. Cos if it isnt, I
thought maybe I should try and mp3 it (somehow from tape) and upload it, to
be friendly and all that :) any tips on recording from tape to hard disc
welcomed, i guess the first thing i need is a very good tape deck?
ok, cheers.
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From: "Reverend djbluE (Chromatest)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) [Fwd: AB-CD New Release Update]
Date: 21 Jun 2001 22:07:46 -0400



got this, as well, as many of you probably, but I figured some would
be interested... snipped for brevity...


..............
    we all have downloaded one way or another from these guys....

DUBLAB PRESENTS / VARIOUS - Freeways
...From the amazing Emperor Norton label comes an audio tour through
the burgeoning electronic/underground & hip-hop scene in the city of
Los Angeles. Every track on the compilation is an exclusive song that
will not appear anywhere else." Artists include: Languis, Daedelus,
Mia Doi Todd, Dntel, John Tejada, Mannequin Lung, Yesterday's New
Quintet, Divine Styler, Damon Aaron, Nowhereman, Ammoncontac, Skull
Valley, Adam Rudolph.  $ 13.97
http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/EMPN7039.2

    this just sounded kinda cool.......

MOTHER MALLARD'S PORTABLE MASTERPIECE COMPANY - Like A Duck To Water
...The world's first all synthesizer ensemble! This was their 2nd &
final release, and was originally released in 1976. The music is a
unique  blend of space electronics (ala Tangerine Dream, Klaus
Schulze), minimal music (Terry Riley, Philip Glass), and contemporary
classical & electronics (Gordon Mumma, John Cage).  A  uniquely
American slant on synthesizer music by a band whose pioneering
contributions to the genre had been forgotten until now. Includes
bonus CDRom material. $ 11.97
http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/CUN147.2

    again, the description got me....

NOODLES PART II / COMPILED BY SI BEGG / VARIOUS - Complete Death Of
Cool
 ... "Noodles" sounds as if Negativland and the Tape Beatles were on
Ninja Tune, making sounds the Bonzo Dog Band or Spike Jones could only
dream of...  $ 15.97
http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/BAY14CD

    coldcut... nuff said

COLDCUT & GUILTY PARTY - Re:volution (EP)   $ 6.97
http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/NJAT1288.2

    I know a lot of us got plaid on the brain...

PLAID - Double Figure  $ 13.47
http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/WRP84.2

    this is reallly cool, I have it, but have yet to find the time to
listen to it... go figure...  it's on negativland's label.

PLUNDERPHONICS - 69 Plunderphonics 96  $ 27.97
http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/SEE515.2

    this just seems really cool too.  anybody know about Deep Space?

WOBBLE, JAH & DEEP SPACE - Largely Live in Hartlepool and Manchester
(Dbl)  $ 19.97
http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/30HZCD15


that's all...
-ben


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From: "Otis Brown" <[e-mail]>
Date: 22 Jun 2001 02:11:30 -0000


Hey there.  I did a jungle remix of Montage D'Or a while.  Here's a link in
streaming Real Audio.  Let me know what you all think:

http://www.iuma.com/mugly-bin/ramgen.ram?aid=42406&sid=117600
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From: "Nexus" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) What's In Your Bag?
Date: 21 Jun 2001 20:22:07 -0700


Though I know most of you hate this stuff, I spin a lot of dark progressive
techy stuff with some occaisional trance or breaks records, minidisk mixes
are available if you want em...

1- the absolute family- encense's road/snaky way
2- the orb- AHEGPB>>>  Starecase remix!!!!!
3- trancecentral station-tears
4- jerry bonham- erendira
5- future acoustics- the strobe
6- prototype- control of sound
7- praha - pachinko ( chab' dub)
8- pitch black -come to me/ fingers burnt
9- subtech-give in to the pressure
10-cass& slide - glad i ate her
11- sasha- the unreleased dj mixes (lupus & scorchio)
12-parks and wilson- feel the drums ep
13- brethren- reservation
14- max graham- shoreline/falling together
15-slacker-slack man sound/ fusion
plus tons of others
for the non house stuff
16- orb- cydonia 2x12"
17- orb -once more brown cover w/ the ft explores satan mix
18-  orb- fluffy clouds '98
19- sasha- baja
20- orb -orbus terrarvm
21- cass - cerebral noodles

cheers!
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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Ok, so WTF is up with Badorb?
Date: 21 Jun 2001 22:48:07 -0500


So, what the f*&$ is up with badorb?  Did they order?  Press?  How the hell
can I order?  Why does flash suck so badly?  Can anyone tell me what's going
on?  This is really frustrating, and I'll be highly pissed if I can't get
the badorb releases because I couldn't order.

Anyone?

Smiley?

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orb) anything
Date: 22 Jun 2001 01:01:23 EDT


ive posted a few times on this same subject, but i havent gotten any
responses so im just as curious...i'm looking for any of the released orb
vids (patterns and textures esp!! - adventures beyond is one of my fav
albums)...if someone has them and would copy em for me, or if someone will
just point me in the right direction of where i can find it...anything you
could tell me will prolly help...
peace
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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 10:47:13 +0100


>>I have been dying to hear this one for a while...

Don't get too excited.........



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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 04:02:35 -0600


I thought it was a nice treat, anyone else have some sort of review for
this song?

>
> >>I have been dying to hear this one for a while...
>
> Don't get too excited.........
>
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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:30:25 +0100


That wasn't my review........It's not bad - sort of a breakbeaty tune with a
cross fader type wash in/out running though it with a nice sort of squeaky
thing in the background.

In comparison to some of the other tunes on Cydonia, it's not that good. I
suspect that it's the "unheard" or rare factor that interests most people.

The reason that I [and other people] didn't rip it and up it to OAA is
because it's not that hard to get hold a promo copy if you really want it. I
just think most people are too lazy to get off their arse and find it or too
tight to get their money out........I've seen several GENUINE copies of V2
on Ebay go for not a lot.

It is better than ERM or Red Worm [off the Radio 1 sessions].



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From: orbette <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) What's In Your Bag?
Date: 22 Jun 2001 06:26:06 -0700


Here is what is in one of my bags (I have three), listed alphabetically

Alphawezen - L'apres Midi d'un Microphone
Beady Belle - Home
Block 16 - Morning Sun
Broadway Project - Compassion
Burnt Friedman - Plays Love Songs
Crystal Method - Tweekend
Cybophonia - Cybophonia
Dauerfisch - Crime of the Century
Claude Debussy - Premiere Rhapsodie pour Saxaphone
De-Phazz - Death By Chocolate
Fauna Flash - Fusion
Fila Brazillia - Sycot Motion (EP)
Dexter Gordon - Go
Jaga Jazzist - A Livingroom Hush
Joakim Lone Octet - Tiger Sushi
J-Walk - The Wasp/French Letter (12inch)
Roland Kirk - We Free Kings
Elvin Jones/Kenny Garrison Sextet - Illumination!
Leggo Beast - Sines and Cymbals
Lemongrass - Windows
Pressure Drop - Tread
Shantel - Great Delay
Susumu Yakota - Grinning Cat
Tetris - Tetris
Uko - Uko
Underwolves - Under Your Sky
Various Artists
                        Black Coffee 3
                        Bongo Sketches Volume 1
                        Dub Plates from the Lamp
                        Headlands: Deepdown Tempos Volume 02
                        Kaleidoscopic Beats
                        La Yellow Colleccion
                        Om Lounge 5
                        Pro Cannibis 4
                        Room Service
                        Roots of Dub Funk
                        Sonarkolletiv
                        Sushi 4004

Waldeck - The Night Garden
Xploding Plastix - Amateur Girlfriends Go Proskirt Agents

'bette


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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 08:57:53 -0400 (EDT)



Wellll....it could be argued that a lot of the stuff on the OAA isn't "that
hard to get"...if you've got the cash and patience to scour the net for the
discs. And the availablility of "genuine" discs is usually dependent on your
geographic location...

I thought the OAA was made for the purpose of sharing such albums...especially
the hard-to-get promos.

This isn't a flame or anything...just an opinion.


james

> The reason that I [and other people] didn't rip it and up it to OAA is
> because it's not that hard to get hold a promo copy if you really want
> it. I just think most people are too lazy to get off their arse and find it or
> too tight to get their money out........I've seen several GENUINE copies of
> V2 on Ebay go for not a lot.




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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 14:13:54 +0100


No, you're missing the point. Yes stuff like the Radio 1 session is
impossible to own originally because it's a Radio broadcast. Stuff like the
58 minute demo of Loving you is the same because it's a copy of an audio
tape and was never released.

Stuff like Jam on yer honey and the Once More promos are available, despite
them being promo only. Someone on the list ably proved this the other day
when she got hold of all three vinyl copies for less than I paid for them -
and she was in the US.

Like I said, it's not impossible or expensive.

Geography has no relevance whatsoever - see my point above.

You hit the nail on the head with Patience - like I said. Laziness.



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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 10:02:02 -0400 (EDT)



I agree it's not impossible to obtain the stuff you're describing...it's
just that it might be prohibitively expensive or difficult for some (NOT
all) people. Some people collect hard-to-get albums and such as a
hobby. Others just like to listen to the music. I tend to think that
people who download from the OAA fall into the latter category.

I also agree that the Radio broadcasts and tape conversions on the
OAA are impossible to find elsewhere - but most of the other stuff on
the OAA isn't. Bootlegs and singles can also be found on e-bay or other
places...at a cost. The OAA is a place where people put these albums
to share with other listmembers so they don't have to spend the
time/money looking for them. I won't argue that it doesn't decrease
the value of the original albums (which may be what you're worried about).

I'm not sure that a lack of patience is equivalent to laziness, though.

> You hit the nail on the head with Patience - like I said. Laziness.


james

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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:26:56 +0100


Without being rude, you're missing my point.

It's nothing to do with the value - my point is this.

If I can be bothered to look for stuff and get it then it's not that hard as
other people have already shown. I'm not on any DJ mailing lists, don't know
the band's management or have any contacts in the record business......

I managed to get hold of the US promo of Once More for 8 quid, which I'm
sure you'll agree is not a lot of money. It was one of only three purchases
I made that month as I no longer have a huge amount of "spare" cash with two
mortgages to pay.

Everyone seems to moan that it's impossible to find promo stuff, especially
in the states - so what the fuck am I doing with a US promo in the UK???

If you had the OPTION of spending [some] money on Orb releases [whether they
be promo or normal] or sitting on your fat arse and downloading them for
nothing - which would you do???

It may seem like I'm making a big deal out of this, but the thing is that
some listees have the fucking temerity to ASK people to up stuff to the OAA
like they have a right to it - that to me is laziness. The other major bitch
is that it's "so hard to get promo stuff" like I keep saying - it's not.

If someone "really really wants to hear" something and they can't be
bothered to TRY and find it or shell out some cash when they do, then you
have to question how much they "really" want it.

Ebay CAN be a little expensive, but I got a Cydonia CDR for a tenner from
there - so get rid of that misconception before you go any further. Stuff is
only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. There are plenty of online
record shops that specialise in OOP stuff or promo stuff, some are expensive
some aren't - the URL's were posted not that long ago.

Not everyone can own every record, but then surely you/others can see that
no-one has a right to be able to listen to it if they don't have it? I
wouldn't expect it, if there was something I couldn't get hold of or simply
couldn't afford then it's tough shit in my book. I'd do without, I certainly
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Subject: (orb) lazyness and the world of buying
Date: 22 Jun 2001 07:37:12 -0700


>Stuff like Jam on yer honey and the Once More promos are available, despite
>them being promo only. Someone on the list ably proved this the other day
>when she got hold of all three vinyl copies for less than I paid for them -
>and she was in the US.
>
>Like I said, it's not impossible or expensive.
>
>Geography has no relevance whatsoever - see my point above.
>
>You hit the nail on the head with Patience - like I said. Laziness.

       while i don't want this to escalate into a flamewar, i can't let this stuff go by..these arguments came up originally with the OAA stuff (which i participated in)...it's possible to find this stuff (i finally got the once more promo 12" i was looking for- among other items)...it's nice to get collectibles; i've spent a lot of money on this crap (ahem, i also just recently got the aubrey mixes)...i don't really see the big deal though- it's not someone else's fault if you buy something as an investment and the price goes down...you should enjoy what you have and stick with that..

        in the case of promos- if you buy those LX isn't getting money anyway (i assume, call me an ass if i'm wrong)...so while it's cool to buy promo stuff (which i've done) it's not as if it's making LX poor because you aren't...
        i've recently resorted to buying some stuff on ebay i haven't found elsewhere (pomme fritz vinyl, etc)...i love having the record, even though i've had the cd for years- still i recognize buying it on ebay from some guy means LX doesn't get a cent of it...but i enjoy having the item as much as i enjoy listening to the music...

        so anyway, the OAA's cool because you can download stuff that otherwise you have to fork over big money for in a secondary market where the only profit goes to whoever originally bought the album in question (not that there's necessarily a problem with that, either).  the only problem i see (and a reasonable argument could be made) is with super-recent promo stuff...it might get released as a commercial release at some point..hopefully people on the list that access the various OAA ftp sites can be trusted in times like these- i don't really like the alternative of not getting rare tracks out there (ie, if i hadn't heard the mp3 of the jimmy cauty remix of 'once more' i probably wouldn't have spent weeks searching out the 12" promo so i could get it)...

         so yeah, it's cool to buy promos and stuff, but i don't think someone should be criticized for not doing it if they don't feel like spending the time/money searching for it (as in the case of cydonia v2.0).

        matt.

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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 09:43:56 -0500


matt,

why don't you just go around and buy up all the orb promos that are so easy
to find and that way when ever anyone is looking for one they can just give
the old mattster a jingle and bingo its on its way.  do you have credit card
capabilities?  thanks matt.

john


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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:56:23 +0100


hmmm, resort to sarcasm when faced with facts.

Speak to the newish US lady listee who got all 3 Once More UK promos for 30
dollars....



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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:19:31 -0400 (EDT)


> If I can be bothered to look for stuff and get it then it's not that hard as
> other people have already shown. I'm not on any DJ mailing lists, don't know
> the band's management or have any contacts in the record business......

    Its really something you have to look at on a case by case basis.
The simple fact is that the amount of time and or money and or effort
required to find that one particular rare gem is not always something that
everyone can give.

> I managed to get hold of the US promo of Once More for 8 quid, which I'm
> sure you'll agree is not a lot of money.

    Given your reference to the word 'quid' I assume you are living in
the no-longer-as-great-as-when-it-was-a-huge-empire Britain. :) Okay, not
all of us live there. Comparing record shopping in the UK to record
shopping in, say, midwestern america is tantamount to comparing the quest
for corn in a cornfield to the quest for water in a desert. This is due to
many factors, not the least of which being that the orb lives in the UK,
the orb's label is in the UK, and there are WAY more stores of MUCH higher
caliber there than in MOST other places in the world. Keep things in
perspective my friend! Most humans on the planet live in places where
they're lucky to have a chain record store that carries 1500 copies of the
new Backstreet boys album and nothing else.

> It was one of only three purchases
> I made that month as I no longer have a huge amount of "spare" cash with two
> mortgages to pay.

    So you at least understand that particular roadblock to the
process. :)

> Everyone seems to moan that it's impossible to find promo stuff, especially
> in the states - so what the fuck am I doing with a US promo in the UK???

    Because even the US labels realize that there's a bigger market in
the UK and send more stuff there.

> If you had the OPTION of spending [some] money on Orb releases [whether they
> be promo or normal] or sitting on your fat arse and downloading them for
> nothing - which would you do???

    Its not that simple! First off, the music industry is one of the
few industries today that expects people to purchase things without
knowing exactly what they're getting. You buy a cd in most places and the
cds are sealed. If you're lucky, one or two songs from the CD may have
been played on an obscure radio station, that normally specializes in
peruvian llama music, at 3am christmas eve. Hence the HUGE draw of people
to services like napster...

    Put it this way. Imagine you want to buy a car. Your first thought
is, I want to go and SEE the car and DRIVE the car and see what I think of
it before I buy it. When you buy a house, you go and see the house. When
you buy groceries, you can inspect the quality visually. I mean christ,
you can even get samples of ice cream from most ice cream stores. If
another industry other than our beloved producers of music tried to pull a
stunt like this, people would go nuts! Imagine buying a car without ever
seeing or test driving up. Unthinkable!

    So, I submit that it's a REASONABLE and NECESSARY step in the
music buying process to LISTEN to what you're considering purchasing
BEFORE you do so! Especially if the only actual copy you can find is
sitting on ebay for $50 or hermetically sealed in plastic in some shi-shi
NYC record store where they want $200 for it.

> It may seem like I'm making a big deal out of this, but the thing is that
> some listees have the fucking temerity to ASK people to up stuff to the OAA
> like they have a right to it - that to me is laziness. The other major bitch
> is that it's "so hard to get promo stuff" like I keep saying - it's not.

    You are assuming that downloading music is transplanting
purchasing. Maybe they want it so they can HEAR it before they spend their
hard earned money on it. Maybe they intend to buy it later, at a more
reasonable price than the ones available at this particular moment. This
is the same mistake that the RIAA is making; People do not download music,
for the most part, instead of buying the actual song. Especially people on
this list. Have a little faith in your fellow man! :)

    Granted there are some exceptions to this, but I think that the
numbers speak for themselves (since the advent of napster, record sales
OVERALL have skyrocketed, which is particularly interesting given that
they have been steadily falling for decades, maybe due to this no-preview
deal the record companies have going? :P)

> If someone "really really wants to hear" something and they can't be
> bothered to TRY and find it or shell out some cash when they do, then you
> have to question how much they "really" want it.

    How do you know that they haven't!? You're assuming again... :)

> Ebay CAN be a little expensive, but I got a Cydonia CDR for a tenner from
> there -

    Wow. You're a lucky man. :)

> Not everyone can own every record, but then surely you/others can see that
> no-one has a right to be able to listen to it if they don't have it? I

    Hrm. I don't know if agree with this statement. I don't think that
lack of ability or means to PURCHASE music should somehow prevent you from
enjoying it. I mean, music originally was only played live, was totally
transient, and free to all (more or less). All you needed was some skills
and something to play on, even just your own voice. The advent of recorded
music has somehow implied that someone can 'own' a piece of music. I agree
that someone can own the right to make MONEY off of that music, but to
imply that, once released, a song can be owned by anyone is silly! Anybody
with half a brain and any music talent can hear a song, remember the
lyrics, and repeat it themselves... Granted this is not quite as much the
case with electronic music, but thats a limitation of the equipment upon
which it is produced. I think the basic principle is the same. If someone
wants simply to hear your song, LET THEM! Its not like you can really
prevent them from bootlegging it anyways. :)

> wouldn't expect it, if there was something I couldn't get hold of or simply
> couldn't afford then it's tough shit in my book. I'd do without, I certainly
> wouldn't EXPECT someone to copy it for me.

    You're thinking in terms of physical objects that cannot be
reproduced digitally without damaging the original copy. I would agree
with you if you were talking about a house. But we aren't talking about a
house. :)



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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) What's In Your Bag?
Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:22:54 -0400


whoa - who woulda thought these guys are tweekers!?

::Crystal Method - Tweekend


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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:47:26 -0400


i think one of the big differences for finding records in the UK and US is
being able to walk into a record store and being able to find what you are
looking for, for the most part...

well i don't know for sure how it is in the UK, but when i shop at the
record stores around here i really have a hard time finding what i want,
especially since most of the artists i listen to are from the UK. if i
didn't have a credit card i'd be fucked, cuz it is nearly impossible to find
GOOD electronic music in a record store around here. it seems, for the most
part, that americans are still stuck to the guitar, so that is the kind of
music that you will mostly find...

i have never had too much trouble finding Orb albums, but like i said
before, when i bought Cydonia when it came out, they didn't even have it out
on the shelves, i had to ask for it...


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From: "</ x e n l a b >" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:53:04 -0400


I have to agree with Matt on this one. When faced with the choice between
searching for rare music in a physical form or posting to the list for some
one to up the item in question to an FTP site, which would you do? Hell,
I've spent upwards of $40 for rare Orb Items both on eBay and from folks on
this list. Hell, John Moxness alone charged me $45 for a used copy of the
U.F. Orb 2xCD. I was happy to pay it (market value on eBay at the time shot
it up to over $50) and I know John was more than happy to take it.

The point that Matt was trying to make, whether you call it laziness or lack
of patience or whatever, was that there is a BIG difference from being a fan
in a remote location with out access to good stores or credit cards (for
internet orders) and downloading tracks from the OAA to satisfy a craving to
hear a rare piece and Just sitting at your office computer opting to scour
an FTP site instead of trying to search for the item in question in the
physical world.

Of course, there are always exceptions. The argument goes that if you hear
it on MP3 first and totally flip for something it will only serve to ignite
the fire for the hunt that much more. On the other hand, I think it makes it
easy to show a lack of patience. Consider the following:

Do I:

a) search for the item on eBay and other sites that "stock" OOP releases by
my fave artists?

OR

b) connect to an FTP site or Napster-like service and hear the track in
question 20 minutes from right now?

As human nature dictates, most people will choose the path of least
resistance.

I don't believe that Matt was trying to legislate any morality. He was just
playing devil's advocate on the side of actually trying your best to find a
physical copy of the release (regardless of how it's sold... i.e. promo
sales not reaching LX's pocket) versus NOT trying and just opting to d/l the
track. Because more times than not it ends there. You hear the track a few
times and then it rots on your hard-drive.

Again, neither Matt nor I am trying to prove that MP3s are bad. I've got
over 12 gigs of the stuff. Some I've gone out and bought originals for,
others I have not. MP3s aren't inherently evil by any means. But it does
bring in the question of how much the music is worth to you. For someone
like me or Matt, searching for and procuring the original release is 2/3 the
fun (the other 1/3 is the music). And since this point is rarely advocated
in terms of the OAA and finding rare Orb releases, I think you can see where
he and I are coming from.

Matt's post was also to refute the excuse that Promo's are hard to come by
or are way to expensive. While I can't refute that it can be costly to
collect rare music, the effort to find these releases w/ the advent of the
Internet is no where near as hard as it was before it. You have access to
record stores across the WORLD just by using your computer. Imagine, ten
years ago you had to scour brick-and-mortar establishments, which for most
people was limited to what  was in their immediate area (save for hitting
stores while on vacation). Regardless the reason you download from the OAA,
you do your self a dis-service by not at least superficially trying to track
down a release in the physical realm. It's always worth it in the end.
Because any reason not to search for it, is just that: an excuse.


    : e r i c :
</ x e n l a b >

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From: marcolphus <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Orb's "Yungle" vs Orbital's "Meltdown"
Date: 22 Jun 2001 18:33:24 +0200


Don't you think that both songs are kinda similar?? Both are fast,
drum'n'bass style like and 10 minutes long... I found them both very
nice :-)
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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) synethesia
Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:19:01 -0400


ok - i hope you guys find this interesting... it's about the guitarist from
some band named TOOL...

http://www.toolband.com/identity/index.html



Justin


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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 18:16:57 +0100


WHOOOOOOOSH. Someone call the whoosh police cos my points went sailing over
most of your heads..........

Again - I'm not saying don't use the OAA - all I'm saying is:-

1. don't EXPECT stuff to be on there.
2. don't moan when people don't put stuff on there.
3. don't take the piss and EXPECT people to burn CD's left right and centre
[John M's email was NOT the only one I received, I got about 40. I've had
others since about different stuff].
4. don't moan about stuff not being available. It is.
5. don't moan about record shops not stocking stuff. It's available.

I'm not saying that just because you can't afford something or can't get it
[Ben's argument about not being able to get to shops holds absolutely no
water because I don't fucking go to record shops - I just don't have the
time, I use the Internet - so I could just as well be in India or Egypt]
then fuck you not my problem, I'm not. I'm saying you have no right to
EXPECT it and absolutely no right to bitch about the fact that it's
impossible to get hold of.

Surely one has to cut their cloth according to their means? If I can't
afford to eat Steak, I won't. End of. I won't bitch about the fact or moan
that other people do. That's tantamount to begging in my book.

I will lay a months wages on the fact that 95% of people who d/l stuff off
the OAA will NOT bother to get off their arse and buy it, just because they
heard the mp3.

A car or house is just a little bit more expensive than a record. I was
actually talking about records, if I can't afford it or can't find it then I
don't have it. Simple as that.

I know that the money from promo's and stuff does not go to Alex - I
couldn't care less if he makes money or not. It's the principle of the
matter, just don't try and use it as a lame excuse for d/l stuff off the
OAA.

I'm not going to stand here and make any stupid statements about how much of
a fan you are compared to your record collection because it has no
relevence, it's bullshit. I don't pretend to be any sort of major fan. I
think some of the Orb's records are shit. I know some people can't afford to
buy every record, but in reality these aren't the people asking people to
upload Jam on yer Honey, Bicycles & Tricycles, Once More remixes or the
latest Orb remix to the OAA.

I know I'm not alone in thinking like this, and I obviously hit a nerve with
one of two of you.


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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 18:23:17 +0100


>>dude your trippin'.

Not for about 3 years now......


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From: "Dan Kelly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) MOTHER MALLARD'S PORTABLE MASTERPIECE COMPANY
Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:38:08 -0400


i saw this crew back in the mid-70's, they were great. very ambient, very
bubbly. nice ole-time electronics with the fat, fat sound.
their 1st lp is the good one, if memory serves me correctly.

snip...........................
this just sounded kinda cool.......

MOTHER MALLARD'S PORTABLE MASTERPIECE COMPANY - Like A Duck To Water
...The world's first all synthesizer ensemble! This was their 2nd &
final release, and was originally released in 1976. The music is a
unique  blend of space electronics (ala Tangerine Dream, Klaus
Schulze), minimal music (Terry Riley, Philip Glass), and contemporary
classical & electronics (Gordon Mumma, John Cage).  A  uniquely
American slant on synthesizer music by a band whose pioneering
contributions to the genre had been forgotten until now. Includes
bonus CDRom material. $ 11.97
http://www.ab-cd.com/custom/cgi-bin/cat1/CUN147.2

again, the description got me....
unsnip...................



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From: John Moxness <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:47:02 -0500


can someone tell me what the OAA is for?  i was under the impression that it
was for us orb listies to hear out of print, bootleg, live or what have you
orb related stuff that was not being sold in a record shop so that the
listies could actually hear it.  the only things not allowed were things
that are in print and would take away sales of orb merchandise which would
directly effect lx and co.  is this correct?

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Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:06:12 -0700


John Moxness wrote:
>
> can someone tell me what the OAA is for?  i was under the impression that it
> was for us orb listies to hear out of print, bootleg, live or what have you
> orb related stuff that was not being sold in a record shop so that the
> listies could actually hear it.  the only things not allowed were things
> that are in print and would take away sales of orb merchandise which would
> directly effect lx and co.  is this correct?

That is mostly right, IIRC, but leaves out a few distinctions. For
example, current remixes of other artists by the Orb are a no-no. If you
*really* need me to explain the rationale for that, I will, but it is
pretty obvious, and I assume most people can figure it out.

Most people should also be able to figure out why potential B-sides from
the current album might not be a good thing to have on the OAA. Not to
mention current promo material that could see commercial release.

Now, of the three ftp sites most mentioned on this list, only one is the
OAA; the others are private sites subject to their owners' whims. But it
doesn't hurt all that much to take the stated wishes of the artist into
consideration, particularly when they are as unrestrictive as Alex's
are.

Finally, while I do/have downloaded a fair bit from the various sites, I
buy everything from the Orb I can get my hands on at a reasonable price.
(And almost everything can be found at a reasonable price, if you look,
and have just a bit of patience.) However, I'm quite sure I'm the
exception rather than the rule, which is all the more reason to keep
current material off of the ftp sites, human nature being what it is.

Chris

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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:14:59 -0600


That's too bad.  Not that the orb would be benefiting any purchase of
the promo copy, but I haven't seen a copy on ebay in quite some time,
and had even a harder time getting a response from anyone on the list
about trading a burn for it or even just to hear the song.  Which Is why
I upped it as soon as I got it, so all of us lazy orb fans could have a
listen.


>
> The reason that I [and other people] didn't rip it and up it
> to OAA is because it's not that hard to get hold a promo copy
> if you really want it. I just think most people are too lazy
> to get off their arse and find it or too tight to get their
> money out........I've seen several GENUINE copies of V2 on
> Ebay go for not a lot.
>



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Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:24:43 -0700



> That's too bad.  Not that the orb would be benefiting any purchase of
> the promo copy, but I haven't seen a copy on ebay in quite some time,
> and had even a harder time getting a response from anyone on the list
> about trading a burn for it or even just to hear the song.  Which Is why
> I upped it as soon as I got it, so all of us lazy orb fans could have a
> listen.

First off, reference my previous point about potential B-sides.

Secondly, there has been a copy of v2 on eBay within the past few weeks.
For a while, it was constantly available on eBay, with an auction
closing at least once a week. And there are *lots* of other places where
such things can be found, but yes, it does take a bit of effort. (Part
of the problem people may be experiencing with eBay is that they broke
their international search engine for music a while ago, so a lot of
items listed on the various international sites do not show up on the
eBay US site, even if you are doing an "international" search. (There
are ways around this, some better than others, but they're a trade
secret.  ;)   It isn't that hard to figure it out though; again, it just
takes a little effort.))

Thirdly, it's a sad fact of life that the people most likely to have the
"good" stuff are generally going to be the hardest to trade with, for a
bunch of fairly obvious reasons. Welcome to life.  ;)

Chris

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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Be prepared to pay.
Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:43:55 -0600


Is what badorb.com is telling me now...



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Subject: Re: (orb) Be prepared to pay.
Date: 22 Jun 2001 11:46:15 -0700


bi11i wrote:
>
> Is what badorb.com is telling me now...

Heh. I've been thinking about that for a while...we have no idea how
much BadOrb is going to charge, nor how much they are going to want for
international shipping.

It would be a real bitch, after all this time, if the prices were so
unreasonable it put people off.  :P

Chris
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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:57:27 -0600


I see your point and agree, maybe I was just a bit bitter about not be
able to get this track earlier as a lot of people had it (from what
you're telling me.)  I'm an orb fan just like everyone else and have a
hard time with the perception that "if I worked this hard to get it, so
should you.  No hard feeling, sorry if I came off abrupt....

>
> In fact, while I do have a large, and nearly complete
> collection of orb and Orb-related material, I am probably the
> easiest such person on the orblist to trade with. I've never
> not been able to work out a trade with anyone who had at
> least a few hundred CDs in their collection. My one sticking
> point is that I do insist on a trade; I don't have time or
> energy for B&Ps, nor do I do freebies. If that makes me a
> elitist scumbag, so be it.  ;)
>
> Part of the point that seems to be going missing in this
> discussion is this disconnect between those who want
> something handed to them on a platter and those who are
> willing to put in a bit of effort to acquire it. I doubt
> these two camps will ever see eye to eye.
>
> I hope there are no hard feelings on your end, this sort of
> discussion shouldn't be that intense.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> > > Thirdly, it's a sad fact of life that the people most
> likely to have
> > > the "good" stuff are generally going to be the hardest to trade
> > > with, for a bunch of fairly obvious reasons. Welcome to life.  ;)
> > >
>



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Subject: (orb) Badorb
Date: 22 Jun 2001 19:50:09 +0100


Which leads me to an interesting point.

Some people are saying that hard to find stuff and stuff that's not possible
to buy in the shops should be on the OAA.

Where does badorb come in? It's whole purpose in life is to erm....sell
records on the Internet and do away with a shop....

So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a credit card,
Internet connection and some money [I understand the records will be around
the 5 quid mark] - so why has someone upped them to the OAA???????

Will non UK listees pay the "extortionate" postage rates? I hope so ;-)

They are also available from several of the [online] shops posted to the
list a while ago.


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From: marcolphus <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Songs still needed...
Date: 22 Jun 2001 20:53:44 +0200


I'm still looking for these songs in mp3, maybe someone can help me:

Little Fluffy Clouds (ambient mk1)        4:29
- someone has uploaded this on OAA, but after downloading I realized
it's incorrectly labeled (dance mk 1) instead of ambient one :-(

Peace (is this really the orb? mix)        3:21
- I bet it's just ambient version of Peace :-)

Perpetual Dawn (ultrabass i)            8:06
- is it really so rare??

Blue Room (blue lamp mix)            14:17
- I still don't know what it is...

Passing of Time (film mix)

Asylum (blood sugar mix)            10:33
- definitely different than commercial version

Bicycles & Tricycles                11:43

EDM (the blackhole mix)                4:12
- can someone upload it??

Requiem pour un c...                5:58
- this must be really sick Gainsbourg version :-)

Thanks in advance!!
--
== http://i.am/marcolphus ========== Fluke & Voo Voo discographies ==
== gry dodawane do czasopism ==== http://strony.poland.com/markolf ==


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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Be prepared to pay.
Date: 22 Jun 2001 14:59:15 -0400


oh well, he will be losing alot of business...

::Chris
::(still hoping LX sees the light, and releases CDs as well)


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Subject: RE: (orb) Be prepared to pay.
Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:05:18 -0600



Yeah, I definitely can't wait to find out how much these releases will
cost...

>
> bi11i wrote:
> >
> > Is what badorb.com is telling me now...
>
> Heh. I've been thinking about that for a while...we have no
> idea how much BadOrb is going to charge, nor how much they
> are going to want for international shipping.
>
> It would be a real bitch, after all this time, if the prices
> were so unreasonable it put people off.  :P
>
> Chris
> (still hoping LX sees the light, and releases CDs as well)
>
>



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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Badorb
Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:05:31 -0600


Aren't those just recordings of the media streams from the website?
>


> So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a
> credit card, Internet connection and some money [I understand
> the records will be around the 5 quid mark] - so why has
> someone upped them to the OAA???????
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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:02:42 -0400 (EDT)


> I see your point and agree, maybe I was just a bit bitter about not be
> able to get this track earlier as a lot of people had it (from what
> you're telling me.)  I'm an orb fan just like everyone else and have a
> hard time with the perception that "if I worked this hard to get it, so
> should you.  No hard feeling, sorry if I came off abrupt....

    This is so fascinating to me. This entire argument basically boils
down to a capitolist versus socialist argument (at least as an apt
metaphor). Namely, should people simply be left to fend for themselves in
the hyper capitolist market that is the collectables trade (ESPECIALLY
ebay :P), or do we have some inate human right to listen to music.

    Personally, I fall under the socialist side. I think that people
have a right to listen to music they enjoy, above and beyond the idea of
who 'owns' the music. I already stated that I find it hard to believe that
music, as much, even CAN be owned...

    What an interesting idea. Hrm. <scratches head> Thoughts anyone,
or am I just basically performing mental masturbation here? :)



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From: rob buse <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb
Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:02:11 -0400



>So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a credit card,
>Internet connection and some money [I understand the records will be around
>the 5 quid mark] - so why has someone upped them to the OAA???????

Why has anyone upped *what* to the OAA?  Badorb is a new record label with
brand new material from patterson and crew.  I don't see how the "hard to
find" material on the OAA has anything at all to do with the new Badorb
discs coming out.

.rob



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From: Chris Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:10:00 -0700



bi11i wrote:
>
> >
> Welcome to life?  I have quite a bit of the "good" stuff and have never
> seena any point in making it hard for someone else to enjoy the same
> that I do.  That attitude that the rare and hard stuff to find should be
> kept to oneself has always made me laugh.  I'd love to just find a band
> and hoard all of their material so no one could hear it, but me -- then
> I'd be really cool.

That's not really what I said, is it?   :/

I merely pointed out a fact. I didn't say it was good or bad, or that I
approved or disapproved of any of the reasons.

In fact, while I do have a large, and nearly complete collection of orb
and Orb-related material, I am probably the easiest such person on the
orblist to trade with. I've never not been able to work out a trade with
anyone who had at least a few hundred CDs in their collection. My one
sticking point is that I do insist on a trade; I don't have time or
energy for B&Ps, nor do I do freebies. If that makes me a elitist
scumbag, so be it.  ;)

Part of the point that seems to be going missing in this discussion is
this disconnect between those who want something handed to them on a
platter and those who are willing to put in a bit of effort to acquire
it. I doubt these two camps will ever see eye to eye.

I hope there are no hard feelings on your end, this sort of discussion
shouldn't be that intense.

Chris




> > Thirdly, it's a sad fact of life that the people most likely
> > to have the "good" stuff are generally going to be the
> > hardest to trade with, for a bunch of fairly obvious reasons.
> > Welcome to life.  ;)
> >


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Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb
Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:13:32 -0700


bi11i wrote:
>
> Aren't those just recordings of the media streams from the website?

Probably not. Promo pressings of the first three BOBs have been floating
around for months.

Chris

np: v/a - No Alternative


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From: Chris Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb
Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:17:01 -0700


rob buse wrote:
>
> >So. It's [shortly to be] freely available to anyone with a credit card,
> >Internet connection and some money [I understand the records will be around
> >the 5 quid mark] - so why has someone upped them to the OAA???????
>
> Why has anyone upped *what* to the OAA?  Badorb is a new record label with
> brand new material from patterson and crew.  I don't see how the "hard to
> find" material on the OAA has anything at all to do with the new Badorb
> discs coming out.

It doesn't, except for the fact that the new BadOrb discs are on the
ftp.

Which just goes to show.   :/

Chris
(on a tear)


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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Badorb
Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:23:39 -0600


Nah, I just checked them out -- they're just recordings of the streams.
Either that or these pressing have the worst sound quality I've ever
heard...
>
>
> bi11i wrote:
> >
> > Aren't those just recordings of the media streams from the website?
>
> Probably not. Promo pressings of the first three BOBs have
> been floating around for months.
>
> Chris
>
> np: v/a - No Alternative
>
>



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From: Chris Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:20:30 -0700


"Benjamin L. May" wrote:
>
>         This is so fascinating to me. This entire argument basically boils
> down to a capitolist versus socialist argument (at least as an apt
> metaphor). Namely, should people simply be left to fend for themselves in
> the hyper capitolist market that is the collectables trade (ESPECIALLY
> ebay :P), or do we have some inate human right to listen to music.
>
>         Personally, I fall under the socialist side. I think that people
> have a right to listen to music they enjoy, above and beyond the idea of
> who 'owns' the music. I already stated that I find it hard to believe that
> music, as much, even CAN be owned...
>
>         What an interesting idea. Hrm. <scratches head> Thoughts anyone,
> or am I just basically performing mental masturbation here? :)

Nah. But keep in mind that socialism works best when everyone puts a
certain amount of effort into the system, rather than depending upon a
motivated few to keep things moving.  ;)

Chris
(who hates what copyright, trademark, and patent protection has evolved
into in our society)


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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) test
Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:21:59 -0400 (EDT)



    I've sent out like 5 messages, and I haven't seen any yet. Am I
banned or something? :(



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Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb
Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:30:39 -0400 (EDT)



Those of you who were lucky enough to score the Badorb albums: how are they?
Impressions?

> Probably not. Promo pressings of the first three BOBs have been
> floating around for months.



jamse

......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo......

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From: rob buse <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Badorb
Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:29:05 -0400


excuse my post, i didnt realize that bob recordings were on the oaa.  even
if they are the lofi streams.

.rob




>Why has anyone upped *what* to the OAA?  Badorb is a new record label with
>brand new material from patterson and crew.  I don't see how the "hard to
>find" material on the OAA has anything at all to do with the new Badorb
>discs coming out.
>
>.rob




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From: Jason I Hicks <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) mp3 debate
Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:41:27 -0700 (PDT)




        Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the
cracks and is never available "officially".  Also, nobody is supposed to
sell promos, technically they aren't commercially available.  Selling
promos takes money away from the label and the artist, so this whole
debate is pretty pointless, or maybe your points just flew over my head as
well. . .

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From: Chris Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) mp3 debate
Date: 22 Jun 2001 12:56:27 -0700


Jason I Hicks wrote:
>
>                 Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the
> cracks and is never available "officially".

I'd bet that way, but stranger things have happened. And that doesn't
really matter either way. Alex's wishes for the OAA are known. Doing the
right thing by them isn't all that burdensome, is it?

> Also, nobody is supposed to
> sell promos, technically they aren't commercially available.  Selling
> promos takes money away from the label and the artist,

That isn't entirely true. Selling promos is perfectly legal in the US,
it is part and parcel of marketing music.

The real indignity is that it doesn't take anything away from the label;
the the cost of promos is generally recouped from the artist, which adds
insult to injury, IMO. But if they are out there, I'm going to buy them.
Of course, if it is a band I like, I generally get the commercial
release when I can.

Chris


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From: John Goelzer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) speaking of b-sides...
Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:09:35 -0500


> Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the
> cracks and is never available "officially".


I'm gonna seize this opportunity to change the subject...

When is the next single from Cydonia going to come out? And what will it be?

My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be the only one who
likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper."

This is semi-related to today's flame war in that "Jam on Yer Honey," et.
al. could turn up as b-sides on this theoretical single, if and when it ever
comes out...

It'd be fun to discuss/brainstorm this (and I think someone might have
already done so a while ago?), but concrete information would be even
better... anyone? anyone? Smiley?

Hard to believe they're going to just leave it at "Once More" and no
others...

JG


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Subject: RE: (orb) speaking of b-sides...
Date: 22 Jun 2001 14:19:53 -0600


I did hear a remix of centuries on a teatime session.  Bill brooks has
grabbed it and put it on the 2001:a space orbyssey.  I can up it
(ooohhhh, thin ice there...)  if anyone is interested...


>
>
>
> > Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the
> cracks and is
> > never available "officially".
>
>
> I'm gonna seize this opportunity to change the subject...
>
> When is the next single from Cydonia going to come out? And
> what will it be?
>
> My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be
> the only one who likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper."
>
> This is semi-related to today's flame war in that "Jam on Yer
> Honey," et. al. could turn up as b-sides on this theoretical
> single, if and when it ever comes out...
>
> It'd be fun to discuss/brainstorm this (and I think someone
> might have already done so a while ago?), but concrete
> information would be even better... anyone? anyone? Smiley?
>
> Hard to believe they're going to just leave it at "Once More"
> and no others...
>
> JG



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Subject: RE: (orb) speaking of b-sides...
Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:20:01 -0500


> I did hear a remix of centuries
> on a teatime session.

I think it was buried in the BadOrb 40-minute promo mix, too, wasn't it?


> Bill brooks has grabbed it and put
> it on the 2001:a space orbyssey.

Guh? What's that?


JG


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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 16:25:06 EDT


man you talk about  others bitching and whining listen to yourself. normally i would be on your side but i myself looked on ebay for this item and around the net and could not find a copy under $50 including shipping. thats too much, i dont want the CD (or CDR i should say) that bad. i have all the once more promos and have the special edition cydonia. look at my list you can see i spend way too much money on orb shit but i dont have cydonia v.2. this list is for sharing shit which you seem to have a BIG problem with, haha, whats with that caps shit fool.

cheers monkey

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From: Tim C <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 13:32:25 -0700


> the hyper capitolist market that is the collectables trade (ESPECIALLY
> ebay :P), or do we have some inate human right to listen to music.

This statement belies the fact that you have no understanding of the
concept of rights.  A human being has rights because they are a
volitional creature with conceptual consciousness.  The short way to
explain this is the opposite of living by rights is living by
permission.  Yet if a being of volitional, rational consciousness is
denied their own free choice of decision (obviously with rules such as
the rights of another are inalienable - violate theirs, lose yours),
they do not have rights.  Now, the right to something does NOT mean the
right to demand it for free, from whoever provides it.  It means you
have the right to negotiate with them for their product - to trade - or
not.  You are speaking of music as if it just happened without anyone's
productive effort going into it.  Just how do you expect that person,
whose product you have just stolen, to live - if you do not give value
for value?  Music is intellectual property as sure as a house is
physical property - and without property rights you have no other
rights.  Let's say you own a stereo for playing your copies of music
on.  We will presume you purchased the material and therefore have the
right to listen to it.  Well, I like music.  I can even argue that I
need it more than you (and you have no effective argument because you
have accepted need, which is subjective and cannot be measured, rather
than rights as your criterion for ownership).  So, you would willingly
furnish me with your stereo and collection of recordings?  All of them,
because I need them more, remember.  Yes, you are that socialist and
willingly would?  How about all your food?  Your house?  I need these
things and by YOUR argument I have the absolute right to ask them of you
- and by your same argument, I have the right to take them by force
(because by your argument people don't have rights - therefore there is
no crime when I violate your non-rights).

>         Personally, I fall under the socialist side. I think that people
> have a right to listen to music they enjoy, above and beyond the idea of
> who 'owns' the music. I already stated that I find it hard to believe that
> music, as much, even CAN be owned...

See above.  Obviously you are socialist.  Well, I'd like to see you
explain how socialism can even function, when all it actually
accomplishes is stagnation, misery, death.  You can't "share" something
that has not been produced.  The argument stops right there.  Look at
the "great experiment" of the Soviet Union - the ultimate hippie commune
- and observe its history of bloody destruction.

In short - Atlas may well shrug someday.  Hope you're ready.

Tim C.
$


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Subject: RE: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 22 Jun 2001 16:54:37 EDT


we all thank you for this very much

DJ TeleVision (lazy weed smoking orb fan)

In a message dated Fri, 22 Jun 2001  2:13:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
"bi11i" <[e-mail]> writes:

> The reason that I [and other people] didn't rip it and up it
> to OAA is because it's not that hard to get hold a promo copy
> if you really want it. I just think most people are too lazy
> to get off their arse and find it or too tight to get their
> money out........I've seen several GENUINE copies of V2 on
> Ebay go for not a lot.
>



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Subject: Re: (orb) speaking of b-sides...
Date: 22 Jun 2001 16:56:27 EDT


actually i dig centuries alot. that track moves me.

DJ TeleVision

In a message dated Fri, 22 Jun 2001  4:12:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, John Goelzer <[e-mail]> writes:

<<
> Who wants to bet that Jam on Yer Honey slips through the
> cracks and is never available "officially".


I'm gonna seize this opportunity to change the subject...

When is the next single from Cydonia going to come out? And what will it be?

My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be the only one who
likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper."

This is semi-related to today's flame war in that "Jam on Yer Honey," et.
al. could turn up as b-sides on this theoretical single, if and when it ever
comes out...

It'd be fun to discuss/brainstorm this (and I think someone might have
already done so a while ago?), but concrete information would be even
better... anyone? anyone? Smiley?

Hard to believe they're going to just leave it at "Once More" and no
others...

JG



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Subject: RE: (orb) speaking of b-sides...
Date: 22 Jun 2001 17:02:57 EDT


its a CD that was mailed out by the nice fello who organised and visualised the world wide orb party. [e-mail] or whatever. cool guy thanx for the CD bro. i much appreciate and i dig your chill out mixes on the 2nd disc. e-mail me anytime bro if you need some help with future ventures. and if youre reading and havnt checked out my mix (DJ TelVision A dream Within a Dream) you should e-mail me. ill hook you up with one of the original promo CDs which i finally chopped into tracks. the original was all one peice and the MP3s were that in 2 parts. the promo CD has something like 15 tracks (all the same recording divided differently)

DJ TeleVision

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> I did hear a remix of centuries
> on a teatime session.

I think it was buried in the BadOrb 40-minute promo mix, too, wasn't it?


> Bill brooks has grabbed it and put
> it on the 2001:a space orbyssey.

Guh? What's that?


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Date: 22 Jun 2001 17:18:32 -0400 (EDT)



    I want to preface this response by saying that I am not an
absolute socialist. I only took the side of socialism for the this one
particular point. Also, I want to mention that, tim, you are obviously
superior to me in your rhetorical skills (i was an engineer in college and
never took anything slightly akin to debate)... :)

> This statement belies the fact that you have no understanding of the
> concept of rights.

    Or that you misunderstood what I meant to begin with. :)

> they do not have rights.  Now, the right to something does NOT mean the
> right to demand it for free, from whoever provides it.  It means you

    True. But, under these circumstances, once a song is played, it
can be reproduced by others who are not the original artist. And I don't
mean by making a copy...

> not.  You are speaking of music as if it just happened without anyone's
> productive effort going into it.  Just how do you expect that person,
> whose product you have just stolen, to live - if you do not give value
> for value?

    Hrm. Well I suppose an argument could be made (i wont do it, I
will fail) that music sort of does just happen. :) Anyone know the source
of every song on the planet? :)

> Music is intellectual property as sure as a house is
> physical property - and without property rights you have no other
> rights.

    Huh? You think all rights boil down to property rights? I have to
think this one over, but I don't think i agree with that. A person has a
right to gather their own food. Food is not property, its fuel for the
body...

    And I think you're talking about about property in the context of
a particular axiomatic system, namely the laws of the US, which I think
are somewhat flawed in this respect to begin with.

> Let's say you own a stereo for playing your copies of music
> on.  We will presume you purchased the material and therefore have the
> right to listen to it.  Well, I like music.  I can even argue that I
> need it more than you (and you have no effective argument because you
> have accepted need, which is subjective and cannot be measured, rather
> than rights as your criterion for ownership).

    I think you're either misquoting me, misunderstanding me, or
assuming I said things I didn't. I never mentioned anything (or if I did I
didn't mean it in that way) about need. Obviously, nobody actually needs
any music at all. You can survive, reproduce, etc without music. Its not
something you really 'need' as such. Although there is something to be
said for quality of life. :)

> So, you would willingly
> furnish me with your stereo and collection of recordings?  All of them,
> because I need them more, remember.

    Well that's flawed because if I were a pure socialist I would
refute the idea that you need it more than I. :)

> Yes, you are that socialist and
> willingly would?  How about all your food?  Your house?  I need these
> things and by YOUR argument I have the absolute right to ask them of you

    I never said that. You're sticking words in my mouth. You're
grouping all kinds of stuffs that a person could potentially acquire
during his or her lifetime, including luxury items and essentials and
saying that there's some abstract metric called 'need' and that my 'need'
for these things is somehow less than yours. You can't be asked to judge
how much you 'need' anything that is not essential to your survival.
Its very difficult to ask someone whether they NEED something or WANT
something because need has both a relative and absolute meaning.
Remember that scene from spaceballs 'I Told you to bring only what is
essential for our survival!' response: 'This is my whatever model
industrial strength hair dryer AND I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT!!!' :)

    Much more fair to have an uninvolved party look at the situation
and make an informed objective decision. :)

> - and by your same argument, I have the right to take them by force
> (because by your argument people don't have rights - therefore there is
> no crime when I violate your non-rights).

    I never said people had no rights! What I meant (and albiet may
not have said in so many words) is that the idea of 'right to listen to
music' needs to be further divorced from the idea of intellectual
property of said music. I mean, you can't stop people from knowing a song,
but you can (and should) prevent them from trying to profit from your
work.

> See above.  Obviously you are socialist.  Well, I'd like to see you
> explain how socialism can even function, when all it actually
> accomplishes is stagnation, misery, death.

    Well I would counter that by saying that there has yet to be a
real implementation in the real world of socialism, as defined and
intended by those who thought it up.

    Socialism is supposed to be something that humans realize is right
after going through a time when wealth is held by a priviledged few, and
the rest of the people live in abject poverty (see US economy from about
1850 until the fed starting controlling how large and powerful
corporations can get, anti-trust, etc). Now, every actual instance of
socialism in the world we live in has been some group of politicians who
liked the idea and decided that their usually non-capitolistic society can
benefit from this political structure (russia went from being primarily
agricultural to being communist, as did china, and come to think of it I
think all of the socialist nations). The problem is that this group of
people decides, at some point, that THEY THEMSELVES would be able to
govern the country better and basically just takes over because they were
the ones spearheading the social change.

    Socialism, in the way the people who thought it up intended, is a
situation where all the people in a society come to a moral realization
that allowing the vast majority of wealth to fall into the hands of a
small population (as it enevitably does in a capitolistic society, eg:
General Electric, Bill Gates, etc) is wrong! I don't think this means
(could be wrong, as usual) that nobody should have possesions per se, but
rather that the human race has to at some point start thinking more like
one macro0-organism; that the suffering of one person might as well be
yours, and why not prevent it in any way you can. This is in direct
opposition to the capitolistic idea of 'if you managed to make that money
then you have the right to do with it whatever you want, as you see fit'
Socialism says that you need to think of others, beyond just their
capability to help you produce more money.

    Socialism is not supposed to be implemented by a few, thats why
its never worked. In order for PURE socialism to occur, an entire society
has to have a shift in beliefs all at once to realize that everyone has
just as much right to wealth as anyone else. Or something.

> You can't "share" something
> that has not been produced.

    Huh? I can share my thoughts with someone. I can share a song. I
can share a beautiful view, a moment, a joke. None of those things were
produced in the sense I think you mean it.

> The argument stops right there.  Look at
> the "great experiment" of the Soviet Union - the ultimate hippie commune
> - and observe its history of bloody destruction.

    Yeah well I would say that russia was never a socialist state
really. It's such a shame that these perversions of what is a pretty cool
idea have given socialism such a bad status in our country...

    Personally, I think that in the end we, as a people, will have to
become more socialist. By which I mean that we have to stop thinking so
much about our damn selves because all that has done has pit us in a race
against each other and as a byproduct destroyed a lot of the environment,
and done a lot of other kinds of harm. I am not a socialist. I live in a
capitolist society, the pinnacle of in fact (new york city, and I work for
a company whose clients are all huge financial banks), that doesn't mean
that I cannot believe that there are things that we can learn from
socialist or that there are things wrong with capitolism.

    I mean for example, I think the US should have socialized
medicine. Its a crime that we don't (we are the only industrialized nation
that doesn't). And we use capitolist rhetoric to justify not having it.

> Tim C.

    <waits for tim to tear my words apart in an attempt to prove me
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Date: 22 Jun 2001 15:04:58 -0700



Well, let's not kid ourselves into thinking the OAA is really on the
up-and-up.  Some label or other still holds copyright on most of that
material, at least until it falls into the public domain.  This kind of
thing is right at the heart of the whole Internet music piracy debacle.

However, the Internet music piracy debacle has also highlighted the point
that music is where you find it.  And if there was enough rare stuff to go
around, it stands to reason that it wouldn't be so rare.  So if I find
something I want to hear on an FTP site, sure I'll download it.  But I don't
think I'm making off like a bandit, because not only is the sound quality
compromised but that mp3 is not going to hold its value (or impress the
chicks) in the same way as my collection of gen-u-ine Orb discs.

Anyhow, the practical reality is that this is a community of folks who have
come together for the purpose
of sharing Orb-related stuff, so that's what we do, and I prefer it to
filling the pockets of rarity brokers.  At the same time, let's not abuse
the privileges that this technology affords us.  Matt is quite right, in
that we should not expect the OAA or its ilk to cater to our every Orbular
desire.  But, Matt, I will take issue with your criticism of moaning  ... in
my experience, moaning is a big part of collecting.  =)

My opinion -- If something is in print, please do not upload it to the OAA.
If something is reasonably available, in your estimation, please think twice
about uploading it.  Please support your artists.  Thank you.

> Little Fluffy Clouds (ambient mk1) 4:29
> - - someone has uploaded this on OAA, but after downloading I realized
> it's incorrectly labeled (dance mk 1) instead of ambient one :-(

That was probably me.  It's mislabeled on the disc as (ambient mk 1), when
in actuality it's a unique dance mix.  Lazlo took the liberty of calling it
('dance mk 1') in his discography.

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Subject: Re: (orb) speaking of b-sides...
Date: 22 Jun 2001 16:36:24 -0700


John Goelzer wrote:

> I'm gonna seize this opportunity to change the subject...

I was hoping someone would run with this...   ;)

> When is the next single from Cydonia going to come out? And what will it be?

I don't think another Cydonia release is very likely, but if there is
one, I'm split between an "EP" (featuring stuff like Red Worm, JoYH,
Yungle, Bicycles & Tricycles, etc.), or another single.

> My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be the only one who
> likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper."

If it's to be a single, I think A Mile Long Lump Of Lard would be my
favorite, but I wouldn't be opposed to Thursday's Keeper.

> This is semi-related to today's flame war in that "Jam on Yer Honey," et.
> al. could turn up as b-sides on this theoretical single, if and when it ever
> comes out...

Yeah!  :P

> It'd be fun to discuss/brainstorm this (and I think someone might have
> already done so a while ago?), but concrete information would be even
> better... anyone? anyone? Smiley?

I'm pretty sure Smiley said that Ghostdancing was originally going to be
the second single...(goes to check www.theorb.com)...yep, that's what it
says...

> Hard to believe they're going to just leave it at "Once More" and no
> others...

Eh. Depending on how you count it, there have been other Orb albums with
but a single single, so to speak.

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Subject: Re: (orb) mp3 debate
Date: 23 Jun 2001 01:39:41 -0400




Chris Johnson wrote:


> That isn't entirely true. Selling promos is perfectly legal in the US,
> it is part and parcel of marketing music.
    I'm not so sure this is true.  Most promo's do have the disclaimer
that the disc is property of the record company, or that the disc is
not for resale.  To me, resale doesn't mean, "oh, since it was only
sold once by the record store, it's legal," but really I'm not sure..
I'd say that the promos are not meant for resale.  Of course when the
label floods a market, or perhaps somebody at the label makes a few
extra bucks by selling a couple cases to a few people.......

> The real indignity is that it doesn't take anything away from the label;
> the the cost of promos is generally recouped from the artist, which adds
> insult to injury, IMO. But if they are out there, I'm going to buy them.
    I was going to mention this earlier.  It is my general impression,
and especially so for the major record labels, that all the promo
costs are recouped from the artists themselves.  I'm pretty sure that
the orb's label does this, so if you think about it, by you and me and
all of us, making the demand for the promo's so high, we are taking
money from the orb.  Catch-22 I guess.
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From: Tim C <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey - continued
Date: 22 Jun 2001 23:46:15 -0700


Hmmm, apologies if this comes through twice.  It didn't make it through
the first time, presumably due to extensive quotes, so I am trimming
those.  For full text of what I'm replying to, see original post.

T

> superior to me in your rhetorical skills (i was an engineer in college and
> never took anything slightly akin to debate)... :)

I was an engineer in college.  I am an engineer now.  I have never taken
anything akin to, or participated in any organization dedicated to,
debate.

>         Or that you misunderstood what I meant to begin with. :)

I answered what you wrote.  If you meant something other that what you
wrote, you should have written something other that what you wrote.

> can be reproduced by others who are not the original artist. And I don't
> mean by making a copy...

The intellectual property - the original song - is still the property of
the artist.  Cover versions could not exist without it.  Cover versions
have strict royalty rules when included on a sold work, but not for
public performance - presumably out of the difficulty of policing
them.

>         Hrm. Well I suppose an argument could be made (i wont do it, I
> will fail) that music sort of does just happen. :) Anyone know the source
> of every song on the planet? :)

And who could make this argument?  How could music (or any other human
creation) just happen?  The argument could not be made because it is not
possible - it is not just the inadequacies of the particular arguer.

> right to gather their own food. Food is not property, its fuel for the
> body...

Food most certainly is property.  In this context, property is not "real
estate" - it is "something owned or possessed" - be it physical (food,
records, house) or non-physical (intellectual property).

> are somewhat flawed in this respect to begin with.

Only as their original purpose has been betrayed.  And, yes, I am
spaking in terms of a "particular axiomatic system."  It's called
reality.

> something you really 'need' as such. Although there is something to be
> said for quality of life. :)

The concept of need-based morality (altruism) was implicit in your
argument.  I obviously have not misquoted you, as I addressed your text
directly.  I certainly did not misunderstand what you wrote - if you
meant something different, you obviously have a ways to go as far as
understanding, and thinking in terms of, essentials.  It is these
essentials, some of them implied, in your argument that I am
addressing.  If you like, "want" and "need" are interchangeable in my
statement above.

>         Well that's flawed because if I were a pure socialist I would
> refute the idea that you need it more than I. :)

And how would you do that?  And, what's this "pure socialist" stuff?
Sit on the fence, get impaled.  A mixed economy, unless righted by
conscious effort, will move automatically towards socialism.

> essential for our survival!' response: 'This is my whatever model
> industrial strength hair dryer AND I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT!!!' :)

I am not "sticking words in your mouth."  I am drawing attention to the
essentials and their fundamental meaning in everything you have stated -
I am calling them out and naming them, so that you and everyone else can
see the true nature of them.  You implied in your argument that the
right to possess music supersedes the rights of the people who produced
it.  Whether a piece of property is a luxury item or an essential, by
your argument I can say "AND I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT!!!" and that gives
me the right to demand it without payment.

>         Much more fair to have an uninvolved party look at the situation
> and make an informed objective decision. :)

Anyone who was in fact objective would make the same assessment.

> but you can (and should) prevent them from trying to profit from your
> work.

How can you perform this divorce?  You cannot!  That is my point!  And
"needs?"  There's that word again....

> intended by those who thought it up.

Now you're actually starting to make me angry.  This is one of the most
blatantly ignorant, uninformed, and utterly evasive of reality (and
unfortunately very common among socialist sympathizers and general
populace philosophical sheep) viewpoints out there.  Socialism cannot
work in theory - cannot work in practice - the closer man comes to it,
the more he will stagnate, and the more destruction will be wrought.
And are you sure you understand the motives of "those who thought it
up?"

> corporations can get, anti-trust, etc).

WHAT.  EVER.  Capitalism in the US CREATED the middle class, and created
more general prosperity than anyone on Earth has ever known.  Government
control is what's bringing it back down.  Anti-trust is evil - and not
to mention ridiculous when you consider that monopolies CANNOT exist
without government favoritism.

> Socialism says that you need to think of others, beyond just their
> capability to help you produce more money.

I do not think of - or for - others.  Other arguments against this
stream of gibberish can be found throughout the rest of my response.

> just as much right to wealth as anyone else. Or something.

"Or something."  Nice.  And how do you expect an "entire society" to
voluntarily shed its humanity and become a vicious pack of savages
fighting over the scraps?

> produced in the sense I think you mean it.

The goal of socialism, as you have stated repeatedly, is sharing of
wealth.  That is the context of discussion.  Ironically, most everything
you've mentioned here can in fact be included in the realm of human
thought/productivity/wealth.  Thoughts can be worth money - useful if
you're an engineer by trade, for example.  A song can be worth money.  A
beautiful view can be worth money - say, nature photography books for
example.  Even jokes can be worth money - observe the take at the box
office of any decent comedy for example.  I might add, if you are in the
position to share these things of your own production with someone, I
highly doubt it will be with someone whom you do not value.  There is no
free love.

> idea have given socialism such a bad status in our country...

Perversions?  Cool idea?  Sigh.  You really think the scenario of me
showing up at your doorstep and having the right to your possessions,
your food, your dwelling (back to my original example which all your
blubbering has not refuted - and somehow your disclaimer at the start
absolves you of this responsibility - even though despite your claim
that you basically couldn't argue it is now apparent that you'll damn
well try?) is a COOL IDEA???!!!

> socialist or that there are things wrong with capitolism.

You live in a pinnacle of a capitalist society - and yet you don't see
the worth of that?  You'd prefer that NYC was a wasteland, that you'd
like to come out of your hut there and farm for 15 hours, have no time
for eating, no energy for enjoyment - no pleasure - no sex - to be
reduced to the status of an animal living a hand to mouth (and hand to
all your brothers' mouths, and all your brothers' mud-encrusted hands to
your mouth)???

> that doesn't). And we use capitolist rhetoric to justify not having it.

Uh, we do have it.  Why do you think health care is so expensive and has
gone so far downhill in quality?  Talked to a Canadian about their
health care system lately?  The hideous waits for treatment?  The brain
drain from the field?  It's happening here now, too.

>         <waits for tim to tear my words apart in an attempt to prove me
> wrong, sigh>

I'm not attempting to prove you wrong.  I am fighting for the
emancipation of man from bad philosophy.  I am on the front lines of a
new renaissance.  Many people may be wondering how the hell this
discussion got into an Orb forum - well, I read 41 new emails this
morning, many of them on this thread but none of which named an
essential.  Yours did, and I could not let it go unanswered.  I urge
anyone - ANYONE - who thinks that things are going wrong, that looks in
despair at the crumbling world around them, that finds only vacuous
shallowness in most of today's art and entertainment, that senses
contradictions all around them, that is pissed off when the rave they
are at gets shut down - you are not alone.  If this reaches even one
person that takes it seriously and discovers a world opened up to them -
then it is all worth it, worth my time and energy to have sent this out
- ideas that do not propagate die with the person who held them.

If you wish to examine these issues further, the following are
recommended:

Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged - deals with all these issues in general
detail.  Her master work.
Ayn Rand - The Fountainhead - more specific, deals primarily with the
productive man vs. the non-productive man.
Leonard Peikoff - Objectivism:  The Philosophy of Ayn Rand - the
definitive, hierarchical text.
Leonard Peikoff - The Ominous Parallels - details the rise, and
philsophical causes, of Nazi Germany and the philosophical parallels in
America today.  Excellent book.
Ayn Rand - We The Living - her most autobiographical work, details life
(if you can call it that) in Soviet Russia.  Read this if you want to
see how well socialism works in practice.

And a fantastic reference is The Ayn Rand Lexicon - edited by Harry
Binswanger.  Compilation of Rand quotes on given subjects, arranged in
hierarchical order (abstract/general comments on concept first, to
concrete/specific last), and original source given.

T
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Subject: (orb) Badorb & B-Sides
Date: 23 Jun 2001 12:27:47 +0100


Whoever it was that questioned the first three Badorb 12"s being on the OAA
- Bob1 and Bob3 are on there.

Whoever it was that asked what they were like - Don't be buying them
expecting to hear the "orb" [whatever that is]....more sort of leftfield
Techno tracks. I can imagine a few people might dismiss them on first
listen. Not exactly commercial [is that a bad thing or a good thing?].

Bob2 appears to be the same track on both sides [just a slightly different
mix]. Of the three, Bob1 is definately the best IMO.

I think it was Chris who mentioned Ghost Dancing being the next single. I
would imagine that all you'd get on the B-Sides would be different mixes or
alternative edits....The Orb aren't exactly reknown for "doing" B-Sides.

You probably won't hear the v1/2 tracks such as Ralf, Jam, Yungle [best one
off any Cydonia version], Freely Wheely on any B-Sides. Bicycles & Tricycles
will probably never be released. Shame, but there are obvious reasons why
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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christoph=20Kluxen?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) badorb-question
Date: 23 Jun 2001 14:24:18 +0200 (CEST)


Hi,

I dontwant to get it from the OAA and I dont want to
talk about Cydonia V2 at the moment.

I did post that days ago,my problem is,that I dont
have a credit card,so:

Are there any people who have the same problem?
Could anyone order that for me?

I dont have question like is it good enough to
buy,cause its the label from the orb. And if all
people get it as Mp3 or something else,there will be
no Badorblabel tomorrow, I think thats a shame!!

Cy,
Christoph from Germany

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Subject: (orb) (OT) mouse on mars, NYC
Date: 23 Jun 2001 09:32:10 -0400



I guess it's july 3rd.  forget the venue... micah, you going?  anybody
else gonna be there?  I'll be there.  email me if anybody wants to
meet up.
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Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey - continued
Date: 23 Jun 2001 10:59:05 -0500


While I believe everyone is entitled to his own opinion, I have to point out
how quickly those who disagree with either me, Tim, or Vince are willing to
jump on us for our opinions.

It's amazing how many people on this list spout "tolerance", and then
proceed to jump down the throats of anyone who doesn't agree with them.

This is, after all, a forum for discussion, not a UN meeting-styled shouting
match. :)

<orb.ContentOn>

>>         Hrm. Well I suppose an argument could be made (i wont do it, I
>> will fail) that music sort of does just happen. :) Anyone know the source
>> of every song on the planet? :)

Every song I have written has been a product of my mind.  I have consciously
created something; every knob-tweak, every note, every nuance of my songs
are intentional, and are put there BY ME.  Anyone who waves his hands about
mystically and claims that music "just happens" is entirely nuts.  Nothing
-- NOTHING -- JUST HAPPENS.

Alex does not just sit in a room and hum, while his keyboards and turntables
magically crank out some song.  From the song's inception to its completion,
Alex is consciously making adjustments, changing passages, recreating,
altering, making better his music.  HIS MUSIC.

HIS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.

>> right to gather their own food. Food is not property, its fuel for the
>> body...

Why does everyone always think property is some physical land bounded by
invisible lines upon which you reside?  Property is anything OWNED OR
POSSESSED, which is: my food, my car, my house, my songs, my computer, my
thoughts, my writings, my rants, my raves, my arguments, my intellectual
property.  Food is something for which one must work.  When one works for
something, then that something becomes HIS PROPERTY.

<orb.ContentOff>

Thank you, Tim, for suggesting these WONDERFUL philosophical works:

Ayn Rand - Atlas Shrugged - My Favorite
Ayn Rand - The Fountainhead
Leonard Peikoff - Objectivism:  The Philosophy of Ayn Rand
Leonard Peikoff - The Ominous Parallels - Excellent book.
Ayn Rand - We The Living - Socialism doesn't work.  Read this and see why.

These are just some of the books.

Try Anthem, too.  You'll see what your wonderful socialism gets you there
too.  :)

Nice to see someone else with some good philosophy in their heads, eh,
Vince? :D

- Brian

PS: If you're going to scream and shout and be crazy, don't bother flaming
me.  Just delete it.  If you want to calmly and intellectually discuss this,
please feel free to email me.  I like philosophical discussion.  I don't
like shouting matches. :)



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Date: 23 Jun 2001 11:59:22 -0400 (EDT)


*
*    Well I would counter that by saying that there has yet to be a
*real implementation in the real world of socialism, as defined and
*intended by those who thought it up.
*

Socialism was really first discribed in a book named Utopia by Thomas More.

*think all of the socialist nations). The problem is that this group of
*people decides, at some point, that THEY THEMSELVES would be able to
*govern the country better and basically just takes over because THEY were
*the ones spearheading the social change.

Socialism (pure socialism) as a political ideal was never decided on by
the people and then subverted by a few. It was always brought forth by a
few who then used it as a way to mobilize the average citizens into an army
with which to overthrow the current government in that country. It was always
a tool to bring someone who was not in power, into power. That power
was never handed down peacefully. That power was never used to bring
prosperity to the average citizen. The citizens only involvement in
it was as a tool to be used by the leaders to get into power. Look at
all of the instances around the world and you will see this. Western
Europe's limited Socialism is really the only instance of socialist
government brought about by social conscience. All other instances
are dictatorships.

This really isn't unique to socialism though. Democracy was also used
by an intelligent group of elite to overthrow governments that they did
not have power in. Look at the US. Being governed by a King, led a group
of people of intelligence and no power, to come together a use the
concept of democracy to cause the common people to follow a revolt
against the King. When the King was pushed out of the governance of the
US, those elite few became the leaders. They were the wealthy land
owners with the right to vote. Things have changed since then, and
probably the common citizens life was better without the King, but it was
not just everyone doing the right thing. It was a way for a smart man
with no power to gain power by overthrowing the current government.

*
*    Socialism, in the way the people who thought it up intended, is a
*situation where all the people in a society come to a moral realization
*that allowing the vast majority of wealth to fall into the hands of a
*small population (as it enevitably does in a capitolistic society, eg:
*General Electric, Bill Gates, etc) is wrong! I don't think this means
*(could be wrong, as usual) that nobody should have possesions per se, but
*rather that the human race has to at some point start thinking more like
*one macro0-organism; that the suffering of one person might as well be
*yours, and why not prevent it in any way you can. This is in direct
*opposition to the capitolistic idea of 'if you managed to make that money
*then you have the right to do with it whatever you want, as you see fit'
*Socialism says that you need to think of others, beyond just their
*capability to help you produce more money.

A few things are being misused here.

1. When money goes to General Electric, it does not just go to a small
group. It goes to all of the employees, and all of the owners (ie
shareholders) which is a very large group of people. And of course the
money spent by those people is the money earned by ma and pa at their
corner store. It a capitolist view. The economy is a big circular system
of money which in each part of it's cycle a different person earns his
keep and prosperity from the same money.

2. Capitolist theory does not say I have my money, I made it, and I don't
care about other peoples' suffering. It is worthless shitty people who say
that and feel that way. But those people exist in every form of economy and
government. Just because China is Communist, it does not mean you will
see people sharing their bread with the poor person in the street. It is a
matter of personal conscience. Hopefully we have enough people of
conscience in our society to overcome those without it, but it is not
just a by product of Capitolism. In fact there is far more charity in the
US then in any other country, which is a matter of conscience and probably
related to the fact that there are more people with disposable income to
share. I won't argue whether it is also true that we have more people
who need charity.

*
*    Socialism is not supposed to be implemented by a few, thats why
*its never worked. In order for PURE socialism to occur, an entire society
*has to have a shift in beliefs all at once to realize that everyone has
*just as much right to wealth as anyone else. Or something.
*

    Pure Socialism will never work because we are human. Unfortunately
that means that we have many flaws. For pure socialism to work all people
would have to be altruistic, and that just is not going to happen. Because
of our nature someone will always be trying to take advantage of the system.
Maybe they will be trying to be a leader, with all of the power and prestige
that comes with it. Or else they will just be trying to get something without
having to do their own work for the common good. And then there is always
theft. Even if we classify all of the human flaws as "ills" or psychological
problems that are not faults of the person but just uncontrollable urges,
those very urges can destroy the whole system. That was the downfall of the
Communist system in most countrys. The fact that they were not pure socialist
states. They were dictaroships. The dictator and his chosen cadre were above
the rest of the masses. They had cars, houses, money, and planes. The
common person did not prosper from his own work, but he could see someone
else prospering. (This is were the most heard arguement comes in.) Why does
someone want to work so hard when he is not getting enough food? And how hard
can you work when you are tired? It is a giant mix of many things, but it
always comes together the same way, even in different countries, cultures,
histories, and philosophies. It went the same way in Russia, Asia, and
South America. Imagine how socialism may have worked in the former Soviet
Union if they did not have to spend most of their money on a defense budget?
They may have had enough food to feed the people and motivation to prosper.
However they had to have a defense budget to ward off any threats to their
military dictatorship. The government was not worried about doing the right
thing for each and every citizen. The government was worried about keeping
itself in power. It is the same way in China today. It is not a socialist
government with a socialist economic system. It is a dictatorship government
with a socialist economic system. Utopia (pure socialism) can only occur if
we can overcome all of the flaws of being human.


*    I mean for example, I think the US should have socialized
*medicine. Its a crime that we don't (we are the only industrialized nation
*that doesn't). And we use capitolist rhetoric to justify not having it.
*

    Personally I am a fan of Socialist Medecine as well. In fact I think
the US medical system is worse then just capitilist. Our medical system
has many flaws that are just unimaginable. It is impossible to fathom how
some of these flaws could become cemented in legislation if it weren't for
morally corrupt people beholden to self interest. However all is not
cheery in Socialized medicine. I cannot speak for everyone in countries
all over the world. However I can say that none of my freinds in other
countries in particularly happy with the medical systems in their countries,
this includes Canada, Australia, and England. Most of my Swedish friends
are content with their system. Their common complaints involve lack of
doctors leading to multiweek delays to get an appointment, and difficulty
in getting medications that they need. Socialized medicine also does not have
the push to discover new cures and procedures that capitilist US medicine
does. (However I really don't think this should be the case, or needs to
be the case. It just is the case currently). The US system also leads
to extortionist prices for medicine. For extortionist practices lead by
Health care Insurance organizations. For lawsuits over mistakes by doctors.
For doctors lying and covering up mistakes to avoid those lawsuits. It is
all a mess, once again brought about by the flaws of being human.


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Subject: Re: (orb) Cydonia v2 -- jam on yer honey
Date: 23 Jun 2001 12:25:13 -0400 (EDT)


*     I want to preface this response by saying that I am not an
* absolute socialist. I only took the side of socialism for the this one
* particular point. Also, I want to mention that, tim, you are obviously

I don't think that this mp3/music debate really has anything to relate it
to Socialism.

In a Socialist country where things are shared for the common good, when a
new song comes out, or a band makes a new album, they don't just hand you
a CD. If so, who would need the OAA or MP3s? Every person in the UK does
not have a copy of Cydonia. They had to buy it. People in China have to
buy it as well. The only right to music that anyone has... which also
realtes historically... is the right to sing or play any music for
themselves. When a Bard travelled around and played music for someone
in the past. There was no way to record and play that music once he was
gone. So there was no problem with ownership. However anyone could sing
that song if they wanted to.

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Subject: (orb) re. jam on yer honey
Date: 23 Jun 2001 13:01:37 -0400


I couldn't get this mp3 to work. it claims it's not an mpeg or it has
corrupt headers er something... anyone else have this problem? i tried to
get it on a mac and a pc

can someone mail a copy that works??

thanks!
jeff



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Subject: (orb) (OT) mouse on mars live
Date: 23 Jun 2001 13:13:37 -0400 (EDT)



Speaking of Mouse on Mars...what're they like live?
Worth seeing? (they're coming to Toronto soon...)


james

> I guess it's july 3rd.  forget the venue... micah, you going?  anybody
> else gonna be there?  I'll be there.  email me if anybody wants to
> meet up.
> -ben

......ooooooOOOOOOoooooo......

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Subject: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 23 Jun 2001 10:22:15 -0700



> You are speaking of music as if it just happened without anyone's
> productive effort going into it.  Just how do you expect that person,
> whose product you have just stolen, to live - if you do not give value
> for value?  Music is intellectual property

Well, the whole thing is wrapped up in capitalism, and only works because
that's what we're dealing with.  I make music because I have an insane
compulsion to do so.  I only need to claim it as private property, release
it to the public, and attempt to make money off of it because of the idea
that I need to "make a living."  It beats Eastern-bloc socialism, sure, but
it's not the ultimate.  There have been societies in which art was common
property.  So far no political system on Earth has "worked," else we
wouldn't still be mucking about with 'em.

This kind of ties in with a subject I've been ruminating on for a while now,
about how making music and releasing records are two totally different
activites, often having very little to do with each other ...

> And who could make this argument?  How could music (or any other human
> creation) just happen?

It is usually my experience that music 'just happens' ... when I'm doing it
right, anyway ...

Anyhow, I'd like to boil this down to one question, the only question that's
important to me as it applies to this subject.  Does LX basically approve of
us all having a gas trading non-commercial Orb soundz, or does he not?

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From: Tim C <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 23 Jun 2001 11:46:42 -0700


> property.  So far no political system on Earth has "worked," else we
> wouldn't still be mucking about with 'em.

No political system on Earth has "worked" only because pure,
unadulterated, laissez-faire capitalism has never been implemented.  The
closest mankind has come was 19th-century USA - but it must be stressed
that while that was relatively free, it was far from pure capitalism.  A
look at the history of railroading in America is a great view of not
only the level of government involvement in business dealings -
favoritism, restraint of trade, land grants, and so on - in that
century, but the practical results of those sorts of dealings.
Exception - Jim Hill, history's real-life Nat Taggart.

> It is usually my experience that music 'just happens' ... when I'm doing it
> right, anyway ...

Wait - "just happens?"  WHEN _YOU_ ARE _DOING IT_?!  Do you not see the
contradiction and context-dropping involved in your remark?

T
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From: micah <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) (OT) mouse on mars, NYC
Date: 23 Jun 2001 19:08:15 +0000 (UTC)


On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, Reverend djbluE (Chromatest) wrote:

> I guess it's july 3rd.  forget the venue... micah, you going?
> anybody else gonna be there?  I'll be there.  email me if anybody
> wants to meet up.

yeah, i'd like to go, if i can scrounge the cash...

on a totally unrelated note, anybody know where the sample ("...now i'm
not recommending a church...") in the zodiac youth "fast forward the
future" mix comes from?

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Subject: (orb) more genuine orb content
Date: 23 Jun 2001 19:15:53 +0000 (UTC)


the german drum'n'bass artist panacea released an album last year under
the name 2nd gen on the sub-label of force inc, position chrome. the album
was called _disorder_, and the first track is called "loose control".
well, it's an orb sample fest. the entire intro is a bunch of chunks from
_live '93_, pretty much. wild.

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From: Jason I Hicks <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) promos (cydonia v2)
Date: 23 Jun 2001 12:52:02 -0700 (PDT)





        It IS illegal to sell promos (I should know I've worked in
a record store for the last five years).  Just because everyone does it
doesn't mean that it is legit.  Sort of analagous to the ubiquitous
consumption of a certain proscribed herb. Think about it, promos are
promotional, that is they are given away FREE, whoever sells that promo is
putting the money in their own pocket and screwing over the label and the
artist, and possibly preventing the sale of an official item.  If you gave
me a gift, would you rather I shared it with someone or turn around and
sell it for profit?  Its really a no brainer.

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Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 23 Jun 2001 15:45:58 -0400 (EDT)


*
* > property.  So far no political system on Earth has "worked," else we
* > wouldn't still be mucking about with 'em.
*
* No political system on Earth has "worked" only because pure,
* unadulterated, laissez-faire capitalism has never been implemented.  The
*

I would postulate that pure Capitalism would fail just as pure Socialism
does for the very same reasons. That is the failings of mankind.

I think this debate is also missing the point that there is a difference
between Socialist political systems, and Socialist economic systems.

In the end the person with all of the money is no longer motivated to
innovate since he has all of the money. He has all of the market and
nobody can compete with him. Hence he sells everyone total crap.....
witness Microsoft... and the person with the money has all of the power
and runs the government.

Of course it all comes down to the fact that society while nice is really
the human race's attempt at enlightenment, which leads to the downfall of
mankind. Pure Darwinism. Any attempt to destroy the natural cycle of
selection, causes the system to become poisonned, and leads to the extinction
of the species.

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Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 23 Jun 2001 13:27:28 -0700


> I would postulate that pure Capitalism would fail just as pure Socialism
> does for the very same reasons. That is the failings of mankind.

Pure capitalism would work for the very same reasons that pure socialism
does not.  And, man - contrary to wildly popular belief - is NOT doomed
to failure - is NOT flawed, immoral, weak - is NOT deceived by his
senses - is NOT incapable of knowledge.

"Anthem of the heart, and anthem of the mind
A funeral dirge for eyes gone blind
We marvel after those who sought
New wonders in the world they wrought."

N. Peart

> I think this debate is also missing the point that there is a difference
> between Socialist political systems, and Socialist economic systems.

Um, what?

> In the end the person with all of the money is no longer motivated to
> innovate since he has all of the money.

WRONG!  The productive (whether he be innovative or the lowest menial
worker) must keep producing to keep living.  Productive work is a
requirement of life, whether or not you technically need the money or
not.  If you don't work to produce anything, your mind will stagnate,
and your body will follow - you will live out the rest of your days in
living death.  And, the concept of "all of the money" (as well as a
previous post that I did not address regarding distribution, rather than
creation, of wealth) is invalid - productive people will continue to
create wealth.  A great example - again - is the US during the 19th
century.  Someone mentioned how there was a generally low standard of
living and so forth, and erroneously concluded that government controls
are responsible for the improved standard of living this century.
WRONG!  The US started out with a lower standard of living simply
because the wealth had not been created yet.  Now, thanks to the drive,
capability, action of the scant few that did create this wealth (and
understand this is a consequence, not a pragmatic justification),
general prosperity is enjoyed by all that care to expend even the most
basic of efforts.

> witness Microsoft... and the person with the money has all of the power
> and runs the government.

AHA!  Not if the government's sole job is to protect the rights of the
citizens!

> Of course it all comes down to the fact that society while nice is really
> the human race's attempt at enlightenment, which leads to the downfall of
> mankind. Pure Darwinism. Any attempt to destroy the natural cycle of
> selection, causes the system to become poisonned, and leads to the extinction
> of the species.

Um, guess what, pal - man is part of nature.  He lives by his mind -
society is the only way that man can properly function.  This is NOT an
argument for collectivism or socialism.  It is a simple statement of the
fact that to properly live (achieve happiness - proper happiness) a man
must trade with fellow men for the results of THEIR thought and labor -
to do everything himself would simply not be possible.  The only thing
that will lead to extinction of man as a species is if man fails to
realize his nature - understand it - live by it.  His nature is that of
a being with volitional consciousness.  The proper philosophy will save
him - all others will doom him to destruction.  I've already stated what
my philosophy is specifically - Objectivism.  I wouldn't want to live in
the world of yours.

By the way, on that note - are you enjoying using the fruits of
mankind's "attempt at enlightenment" to communicate your contradictory
ideas on the subject?

T
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Subject: Re: (orb) promos
Date: 23 Jun 2001 14:05:46 -0700


Jason I Hicks wrote:
>
>                 It IS illegal to sell promos (I should know I've worked in
> a record store for the last five years).  Just because everyone does it
> doesn't mean that it is legit.  Sort of analagous to the ubiquitous
> consumption of a certain proscribed herb. Think about it, promos are
> promotional, that is they are given away FREE, whoever sells that promo is
> putting the money in their own pocket and screwing over the label and the
> artist, and possibly preventing the sale of an official item.  If you gave
> me a gift, would you rather I shared it with someone or turn around and
> sell it for profit?  Its really a no brainer.

Sorry, I can't let this go by, as it simply untrue, at least in the US
(where we both are, for those who are keeping track).

Selling promos is *not* illegal. In general, they are given away by the
record company, and the recipient can dispose of them however they see
fit. (That is how private property works.) The record label's sole
recourse is simply to not give them to people who dispose of them in a
way that the company doesn't like. (Or, in the few cases where the
recipient actually has to sign a contract to receive the promo, they
could be taken to court for violating that contract. Guess how often
that happens.)

If selling promos were illegal, almost every used record store in LA
would be out of business, as most of their stock is promo material.
Chain record stores that sell used CDs (like Wherehouse) don't sell
promos because that would be the final straw for the distributors and
major labels, who are already pissed that they are selling used CDs.

Record companies try to discourage the selling of promos, but they can't
actually prevent it. You can print whatever you want on the sticker or
label of a promo CD; that doesn't make it true or legally enforceable.

Record labels make an informed decision when they produce promos. They
*know* a good fraction of them are going to end up on the market, but
they believe they do more good for sales than harm. Artists are the ones
who get screwed, since the cost of promos are usually recouped from
their royalties.

BTW, did you know that some record and promotion companies actually
"pay" interns in promo CDs? They know that most of them are going to be
sold. I've also seen instances where people were bribed or paid off with
large numbers of promo CDs, and told to sell them for cash. Finally,
I've also seen record company employees come into used CD stores, and
*give* large numbers of promos to the store, with the explicit
understanding that they will be put in the used bins and sold cheap, to
help promote a release.

Chris


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Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 23 Jun 2001 18:01:39 -0400 (EDT)


> man:
> - is NOT flawed, immoral, weak

I'd disagree with this one.  People aren't perfect.  Most people can be
bought.  Take some Joe off the street and convince him you'll give him
$10 million to kill a random other person, and there will be no
reporcussions, I bet people will go for it.  If man isn't flawed, immoral,
weak... then why do we have crime?

> - is NOT deceived by his senses
drugs, propoganda, prejudicial mental filters

> - is NOT incapable of knowledge.
Plenty of people would be perfectly happy to stay stupid and content,
though.  What you don't know can't make you depressed.

> If you don't work to produce anything, your mind will stagnate,
> and your body will follow - you will live out the rest of your days in
> living death.

And is this something to be avoided?  Sounds like a bad thing to me, but
sounds like a goal for your average hard-working American.... who wants
to be a billionare and live a life of comfort and decadence?  Lots of
folks.  Sounds like an American Dream.

> WRONG!  The US started out with a lower standard of living simply
> because the wealth had not been created yet.  Now, thanks to the drive,
> capability, action of the scant few that did create this wealth (and
> understand this is a consequence, not a pragmatic justification),
> general prosperity is enjoyed by all that care to expend even the most
> basic of efforts.

I gotta agree with that one.  I won't say the US is the perfect system,
but it's less broken than most.

> AHA!  Not if the government's sole job is to protect the rights of the
> citizens!

But a Conservative agenda is to protect our moral rights..... something
that Liberal types find offensive.  And I'm sure there are "rights" the
Liberal platform wants that Conservative doesn't.  Goes both ways.
Protecting the rights of the citizens is such a subjective thing.  Try to
get 2 people to agree completely on what the rights of a citizen are.

----
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From: "Reverend djbluE (Chromatest)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 23 Jun 2001 18:11:24 -0400




Jeff wrote:

> > WRONG!  The US started out with a lower standard of living simply
> > because the wealth had not been created yet.  Now, thanks to the drive,
> > capability, action of the scant few that did create this wealth (and
> > understand this is a consequence, not a pragmatic justification),
> > general prosperity is enjoyed by all that care to expend even the most
> > basic of efforts.
>
> I gotta agree with that one.  I won't say the US is the perfect system,
> but it's less broken than most.

heheh.. I was just reading this stuff, and now this email/thread
http://www.sharedcapitalism.org/scfacts.html
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Date: 23 Jun 2001 17:19:14 -0500


> But a Conservative agenda is to protect our moral rights..... something
> that Liberal types find offensive.  And I'm sure there are "rights" the
> Liberal platform wants that Conservative doesn't.  Goes both ways.
> Protecting the rights of the citizens is such a subjective thing.  Try to
> get 2 people to agree completely on what the rights of a citizen are.


Ok, Jeff -- I think Tim and I, and maybe even Vince, agree that a person's
rights are to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness.

Period.

Conservatives and Liberals alike may appear to have a different agenda, but
in the end it is the same: to control other people against their will.  The
conservatives do it by trying to control the mind, the liberals do it by
trying to control the pocketbook.  Either way, the result is the same.

I know that if everyone were to afford themselves those four basic rights,
pure capitalism would result -- and the rich would get richer and the poor
would get richer.

You would see a dramatic decrease in crime.  In homeless.  You would see
utter change, change never before witnessed on earth -- because IT HAS NOT
BEEN ALLOWED TO BE.

There are always governments taking away more rights than they are allowed.
It's unfair to us all.  And it hurts -- more than anyone else -- the POOR.

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Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 23 Jun 2001 15:51:12 -0700


> I'd disagree with this one.  People aren't perfect.  Most people can be
> bought.  Take some Joe off the street and convince him you'll give him
> $10 million to kill a random other person, and there will be no
> reporcussions, I bet people will go for it.  If man isn't flawed, immoral,
> weak... then why do we have crime?

A) The argument that "people aren't perfect" is flawed.  Moral
perfection is not unobtainable, provided your morality is based on
reality rather than fantasy.  B) Joe will not go for it - he would in
fact be horrified - so long as he has any shred of decent morals.  In
fact, the force of morality on people's behavior is actually quite
strong - I would argue that most people would in fact not do this deed,
for any price.  C) We have crime because some people are weak.
Specifically, they refuse to face reality - and they try to
short-circuit it.
> > - is NOT deceived by his senses
> drugs, propoganda, prejudicial mental filters

Drugs - certain drugs do cause irrational mental activity - so,
obviously, one must ask what is their value?  And, if there is some
value involved that makes the use of them, despite sensory deception,
worthwhile, of course one doesn't take seriously any false sensory side
effects.  I.e. someone may take acid and have their walls appear to turn
to rubber - but at no point does this actually occur.  The person's
sensory distortion is drug-, not reality-, induced, and therefore it
would be ridiculous to suggest that sensory data while in an
artificially altered state would necessarily be reliable.  Propaganda -
any man who knows how to think knows how to disarm propaganda.  What
tool gives him this capability - you guessed it, a proper, rational
philosophy.  PMF?  What?

> Plenty of people would be perfectly happy to stay stupid and content,
> though.  What you don't know can't make you depressed.

Unless being dead depresses you, of course.

> And is this something to be avoided?  Sounds like a bad thing to me, but
> sounds like a goal for your average hard-working American.... who wants
> to be a billionare and live a life of comfort and decadence?  Lots of
> folks.  Sounds like an American Dream.

Again, being a billionaire and living in decadence do not necessarily
correlate.

> But a Conservative agenda is to protect our moral rights..... something
> that Liberal types find offensive.  And I'm sure there are "rights" the
> Liberal platform wants that Conservative doesn't.  Goes both ways.
> Protecting the rights of the citizens is such a subjective thing.  Try to
> get 2 people to agree completely on what the rights of a citizen are.

Well, see Brian's previous remarks on this - he hit it right on the
head.  I will point out, however, that rights are ABSOLUTELY OBJECTIVE.
Nothing subjective about them AT ALL.  They are inalienable, and I
already explained why humans have them.  If people disagree on what
rights one has, what they are really arguing about is what special
privelege they want (say, affirmative action), or what they want to take
away from others (say, their guns).

T
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Subject: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions
Date: 23 Jun 2001 16:49:27 -0700


Not wanting to get into this, I can only point out that it would be
foolish for anyone to assume that the ongoing silence of the vast
majority of people on this list signifies agreement. With *any* of the
points of view expressed.  :P

ObOrb: Um...finally listened to the Lamaq Evening Session tracks...I
must say that I dig both EDM and Red Worm.

Chris
(staying out of it (hopefully))


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: (orb) FTP site, 2001 bootlegs
Date: 23 Jun 2001 21:12:19 EDT


Hello,
Could someone please point me to the FTP site, OAA? Also, I saw Orb a couple months back in Denver. Absolutely amazing! Any 2001 boots available, Denver
in particular? Completely off subject, but would any one also know where to find Radiohead bootlegs. I saw them on the 20th at RedRocks and was blown away. Had a spiritual connection of sorts and would love to have this show. Thanks for the spare change.
5001,
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From: "Lance @ Inaudible" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Orb-like dub recommendations?
Date: 23 Jun 2001 23:18:20 -0400


Recently i've been getting into classic dub
that the early orb releases were influenced
by. I've purchased a few King Tubby, Zion
Train, and Sly & Robbie cds but there are
so many other names out there. I dont know
what i should buy next. Lee Perry? Augustus
Pablo? Andy Horace? Yabba You? The Scientist?
During Alex's dj sets at the Detroit Orb show
he played quite a few classic dub tracks which
i really liked. anybody know what those were?
any recommendations would be appreciated.

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From: Justin Roby <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) <non-orb question>  Juno Reactor in DC
Date: 24 Jun 2001 00:24:58 -0400


Hey all.  Wondering if any list members local to the DC area are planning on
catching Juno Reactor at the 9:30 Club this coming Tuesday (June 26).
Wouldn't mind meeting some of you all.  I think I'll be wearing either my
242 tee or the "autolump" tee (badorb.com tee with the cow).


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Justin Roby
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From: "Seofon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 24 Jun 2001 04:22:34 -0700


Hi Sean!

> Right On Seofon! This capitalistic society, in which we exist, perpetuates
> this big huge greed monster. The idea of intellectual property was not
> generated by the artists, but by the Corporations and the layers who go to
> make money off of artists "Intellectual Property" Because It is seen that
> Records have to be sold, in order for more to be made just reeks of the
> current recording industry swill that they had laid a foundation of pain
and
> thievery of many great artists.

Well, exactly ... the very thought I had right after I sent that last post
was that, while LX originally held the copyrights on his music, most of them
have been transferred in large part to record labels and/or music
publishers, all of whom I reckon could give a rat's ass about our trading
and collecting desires.  I don't care about their feelings as much as I care
about LX's, but that is the "reality."

Anyhow, the record execs built this city on rock & roll.  I'll admit that
the music industry may have been quite appropriate when rock was the genre
and the artist base had the relatively small size that it did.  But it's
gotten less appropriate over time, as the bins get more and more crowded,
and especially when you start getting down to the "independent" scene and
fringe artists like the Orb and even more out-there stuff.  I've found,
being at the small scale that I am, that it actually behooves me to give a
certain portion of my music and products away for free.  I even know one
musician who treats his CDs as a "promotional expense."

> Ask the motown musicians, when copyright law was just being formed as far
as
> recordem music is concerned. IF the Artists had any say on it, it would be
a
> very different world today. Besides the fact, they way that american
> copyright law protects music, is quite racist, since it only protects
> melodies and lyrics, as opposed to grooves and rhythm, which is what soul,
> R&B, Blues rely on so much.

Interesting angle! ... I'd never considered that.  Haven't bands, though,
successfully sued hip-hop artists for sampling and looping their grooves?
(Of course, Negativland has something to say about that, but let's take one
bugaboo at a time ...)

My angle is that the problem is not so much the industry in principle, but
its privileged access to channels of distribution.  For some artists the
industry is quite appropriate.  But something like the WWW levels the
playing field for artists for whom it isn't, and I think that's pretty
exciting.  And I'm not going to turn up my nose at capitalism until there's
a viable, better alternative.  Heck, if I sell you a CD from my website for
a measly $6, I'm still more than doubling my cost!

> I always thought music has always existed. The music we make, we really
> don't own, but we stumble upon it. Sound has always existed and occurs
> naturally in this world. Melodies, rhythms, harmonies, they are all
> naturally occurring instances, we just find then and make them "exist".

Again, this is certainly the way it is ... for me.  But lots of people make
music for lots of different reasons.  Some people do make music to make
money, or use it as a platform to gain public visibility or make social
commentary ... and this is a fine thing.  But if you try to lump all of
these artists and approaches into the same category then you'll run into
problems.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 24 Jun 2001 12:55:41 -0400 (EDT)


I really hate the fucking listserv that is running this list. I can
understand that some people quote to damn much. But all of my mail
bounces if I quote anything at all... great way to make a list less
usefull.


* Pure capitalism would work for the very same reasons that pure socialism
* does not.  And, man - contrary to wildly popular belief - is NOT doomed
* to failure - is NOT flawed, immoral, weak - is NOT deceived by his
* senses - is NOT incapable of knowledge.

Some would agree with you, some would not.

*> WRONG!  The productive (whether he be innovative or the lowest menial
*> worker) must keep producing to keep living.  Productive work is a
*> requirement of life, whether or not you technically need the money or

All of this arguement is about conflicting philosophies. I was not
expousing one philosophy or the other. I was mearly pointing out that
any of these philosophies COULD work if everyone just got along and
did the right thing. Which in the end makes which philosophy we chose
unimportant. However neither of the HAVE worked because man (the
collective) has not decided to just get along, everyone agreeing, and
follow the same philosophy. And that is because human nature says that
some people are going to try and get ahead and have advantage and power
and money and control. If you have pure communism someone will cheat
and not work, and someone else will try and be dictator. If you have
pure capitilism, someone will try and cheat. Someone will subvert the
government. The people in charge of the government's benevelance do not
create anything tradeable themselves to gain capital, so they will trade
what they do have, power. They will change things to create advantage for
money. That is human nature. And it is also Darwin's Laws of Nature. Only
the strong survive. If everyone just gets along, then it is in someone's
best interest to do something else, to get ahead. Start an insurgency,
overthrow the government, rally all of the peasants in the mountain
province and run a fiefdom, all to get ahead.

* > witness Microsoft... and the person with the money has all of the power
* > and runs the government.
*
* AHA!  Not if the government's sole job is to protect the rights of the
* citizens!
*

Except that is the problem. The governments sole job is NEVER just to
protect the rights of the citizens. Governments are about someone needing
to have power over other people. Some people do it for the right reasons
but other people don't. Just a fact, just human nature. Why aren't all
cops cool? Why do they harrass people in the name of protecting them?
Could it be some people are assholes, and they fulfill themselves by
doing that?

* Um, guess what, pal - man is part of nature.  He lives by his mind -
* society is the only way that man can properly function.  This is NOT an

I think there have been plenty of rural sustenance farmers over the years
that have lived by the fruits of their own labor without any other
help. Usually society calls the kooks or loonies, but it has been done.
Not my place to argue whether is was a fulfilling life, but it is
possible. Humans are however social animals.

>
> By the way, on that note - are you enjoying using the fruits of
> mankind's "attempt at enlightenment" to communicate your contradictory
> ideas on the subject?
>

Actually I don't consider the internet an "attempt at enlightenment" by
mankind, though many people portray it as such. But now that you mention it
yes I am. However I personally built what was at one point over half of the
Internet, so I am enjoying the fruits of MY labor, and so are you.

I will also note that like most other newsgroups or mailing-lists on the
Internet, the orb list always seems to devolve into a name calling shouting
match. Nothing and I mean nothing can be debated or discussed on this list
without people talking shit to each other. All I wanted was to debate.
I am done with this. Over the last few years many have said it, but it
seems that I expected more civility (there is that word) on the orb
list.

jon


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Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 24 Jun 2001 13:08:15 -0400 (EDT)


Damn I said I was done.... ooops I am flawed.

* Specifically, they refuse to face reality - and they try to
* short-circuit it.

That is the point we are arguing. More then a few people are weak. In fact
most people are weak in some way. Just because A man can be perfect, and
EVERY man CAN be perfect, does not mean that ALL men ARE perfect. If we
could all achieve an enlightened state (which I believe is a laudable
goal) then all of this government and economics shit would not matter.
But that has not happened, so it really does. To think otherwise is to
disregard reality.

* Well, see Brian's previous remarks on this - he hit it right on the
* head.  I will point out, however, that rights are ABSOLUTELY OBJECTIVE.
* Nothing subjective about them AT ALL.  They are inalienable, and I
* already explained why humans have them.  If people disagree on what
* rights one has, what they are really arguing about is what special
* privelege they want (say, affirmative action), or what they want to take
* away from others (say, their guns).

It is important to note that you are using human in this statement when you
should be using American. (This is not a personal attack). However most
cultures have different ideas of what inalienable rights are. The rights
you are speaking of are most clearly American. If you look at Asian
philosophy and culture, you will find completely different ideas on
what rights are. In fact when you look at most European cultures you will
find different things as well. Which is why socialism is more popular,
because subverting the rights of the self to the collective whole for
the good of the collective is an accepted idea.

jon


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Subject: (orb) Bill Brook's Teatime Remixes
Date: 24 Jun 2001 11:26:24 -0600


This cd is great, the 12501 teatime session from lx, along with some
other stuff that [e-mail] (brooks) mixed in.  I've upped the
cover art and the music to the OAA and moresounds sites.  The chain
reaction site appeared to be full.  Get ahold of this if you can,  It
has the centuries remix on it as well for all those who were asking.

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Subject: (orb) Bill Brook's Teatime Remixes
Date: 24 Jun 2001 11:26:24 -0600


This cd is great, the 12501 teatime session from lx, along with some
other stuff that [e-mail] (brooks) mixed in.  I've upped the
cover art and the music to the OAA and moresounds sites.  The chain
reaction site appeared to be full.  Get ahold of this if you can,  It
has the centuries remix on it as well for all those who were asking.

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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 24 Jun 2001 13:50:35 -0500


> Which is why socialism is more popular,
> because subverting the rights of the self to the collective whole for
> the good of the collective is an accepted idea.

Um, by whom?

-Brian



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From: Tim C <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) orb for one, orb for all
Date: 24 Jun 2001 13:03:06 -0700


> was that, while LX originally held the copyrights on his music, most of them
> have been transferred in large part to record labels and/or music

Which is very unfortunate.  The record industry is indeed seriously
flawed - to get a deal with a major, you often do have to give up your
right to your intellectual property - otherwise see ya.  It's obvious
from the demand, at least among hard core fans, that if LX owned the
rights, he could be re-pressing stuff on Badorb right now and we would
gladly buy it.  Instead, all this material languishes.

> successfully sued hip-hop artists for sampling and looping their grooves?

Yes, grooves are protected under the "melody" portion.  Of course, this
could go much further if we knew who the heck first came up with the
idea of a beat - their ancestors would be rich now!

> its privileged access to channels of distribution.  For some artists the
> industry is quite appropriate.

Right, either mainstream ones, or ones that claw their way up, or ones
that are the manufactured flavor of the weak (sic).  Most don't stand a
chance.  Even that the Orb got as big as they are shows amazing ability
and amazing perseverance - and LX's working with a label and learning
the business, I have to presume helped some, but that is pure
speculation.  Of course, this may be a bad example, as we've witnessed
LX getting screwed over by his major in the delay of Cydonia....
Another example is my other favorite band, Rush - their career started
out very slowly and took several albums to build - they would never have
made it in today's record industry.

> > I always thought music has always existed. The music we make, we really
> > don't own, but we stumble upon it. Sound has always existed and occurs
> > naturally in this world. Melodies, rhythms, harmonies, they are all
> > naturally occurring instances, we just find then and make them "exist".

Sigh.

T


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From: Kael Driscoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) centuries
Date: 25 Jun 2001 08:07:41 +0800


JG wrote:
>My vote is for "Hamlet of Kings," "Centuries" (I seem to be the only one who
>likes that track) or "Thursday's Keeper."

no, I too like that track, in fact centuries is one of my faves... it's too
short IMHO!

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From: "Vince Frank" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) "Man as an heroic being...."
Date: 25 Jun 2001 08:50:52 -0500



> I'd disagree with this one.  People aren't perfect.  Most people can be
> bought.  Take some Joe off the street and convince him you'll give him
> $10 million to kill a random other person, and there will be no
> reporcussions, I bet people will go for it.

===>There are few things that I wouldn't do for money.  As I've
stated before on this list, I have absolutely no problem with
artists selling their music for obscene amounts of money.  Hell,
*I'd* do it.

That said, however, there *are* things I wouldn't do.  For example,
I would never murder another human being for *any* amount of
money.  I'm sure there are people out there who would, but those
are people to be avoided, IMHO.

> But a Conservative agenda is to protect our moral rights..... something
> that Liberal types find offensive.  And I'm sure there are "rights" the
> Liberal platform wants that Conservative doesn't.  Goes both ways.

===>There is a *big* difference between a conservative and
a libertarian agenda.  Those of us who are libertarians find people
on the far left and the far right equally frightening.  The far right
wants to limit what I consider to be my social rights; the far
left wants to limit what I consider to be my economic rights...and
my social rights.

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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions
Date: 25 Jun 2001 10:58:44 -0400 (EDT)



> Not wanting to get into this, I can only point out that it would be
> foolish for anyone to assume that the ongoing silence of the vast
> majority of people on this list signifies agreement. With *any* of the
> points of view expressed.  :P

    Yeah I'm giving up too. I'm just gonna go back to my stance
that we should go back to a bartering of goods and services type of
economy since this abstract 'wealth' idea is a bunch of crap anyways. :)
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From: "Alex" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) uploading the radio1 1995 interview now :)
Date: 25 Jun 2001 17:24:45 +0100


wotcha orbsters
uploading the interview with Alex on radio1 session Mark Ratcliffe.
5mins mp3 recon itll take 22mins :)

ok cya
Alex


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From: "Anthony Bryan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Orb in session with Mark Radcliffe Radio1
Date: 25 Jun 2001 13:58:48 -0400


> I have a tape I recorded in 95 around July. It is a Radio1
> session with Dr Alex P and Mark Radcliffe (sort of promo
> session for Orbus Terrarum). just wondering if this recording

thanks! do you have the music that was played after it?

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Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions
Date: 25 Jun 2001 14:20:24 -0400 (EDT)


Hehe yeh. Sorry to be a continuer of the thread. (Of course I have one
more statement) :)

My original point of posting was a response to someone describing their
"right" to listen to someone's elses music without buying it, otherwise
known as taking someone's product/property without paying for it, as
socialist. My point being that it had nothing to do with socialism.

The debate quickly devolved into political theory. MY simple point here
was that either system COULD work if we could get past the inherent
problems of man. (Which I personally think is a far more laudable goal).
I would care less whether I was in a Capitalist or Socialist system,
if everyone treated everyone well, and took care of each other, including
the downtrodden.

jon

Further thoughts....

Even though America is always pointed at and called the Capitalist
satan, it is important to note that all European countries are
Capitalist as well. They have Socialist Governments but Capitalist
economics. The wealth is not equally distributed, though taxes do
work (most would say doesn't work) to redistribute it to "poorer"
people. They still have money and you do have to purchase goods,
and some people have more money to purchase with.

Some people mention pure barter systems, but they are not inherently
Socialist, but actually Capitalist. The person with the most/best goods
to trade gets ahead. The vague notion of wealth, is just the accumulation,
of tradeable stuff, that allows you to trade whenever you need or want
to. That could be seen as having ten cows instead of one.

There have been some very pure Socialist governments, or non-governments,
as seen by most indigenous cultures in the past, such as Native Americans.
Everyone worked together for the whole, and had a different role to play,
but everyone shared in the wealth, ie food from hunters, shelter from
the people making shelter, clothes from the people making clothes.

I think it could almost be said that pure barter, and pure socialist,
situations became very difficult when the amount and type of goods
became so varied. It is hard to assume that we could grow or
produce every thing that we need or want in todays advanced world.
We would pretty much have to fall back to a non electric agrarian
lifestyle.

Me I love listening to music on CDs.




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Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions
Date: 25 Jun 2001 12:16:43 -0700


> > Not wanting to get into this, I can only point out that it would be
> > foolish for anyone to assume that the ongoing silence of the vast
> > majority of people on this list signifies agreement. With *any* of the
> > points of view expressed.  :P

No, but you know what?  I used to be philsophically ignorant.  I was
implicitly right about a lot of things, but I had not the tools to
integrate my knowledge, to eliminate contradictions therein, and to move
forward intellectually - and to live life properly.  All it took was
someone pointing me in the right direction, saying there ARE answers -
go to them.  If ANY of the people reading this say, huh, this sounds
like the light I have been seeking - they may do so silently and I do
not mind - I am not looking for thanks or acknowledgement - though that
received so far has been appreciated - then mission accomplished.  For
instance, there has been a lot of discussion about artists and artists'
rights to their material.  If this discussion helps protect those rights
by causing some moral person to rethink their stance about copying
commercially available, in-print material - mission also accomplished.

>         Yeah I'm giving up too. I'm just gonna go back to my stance
> that we should go back to a bartering of goods and services type of
> economy since this abstract 'wealth' idea is a bunch of crap anyways. :)
> :) :)

And just what is bartering?  Exchanging a product for a product of
similar value.  Note that barter is impossible if one side has nothing
of value to offer.  It is therefore (unlike under socialism or its
variants) impossible to get something for free.  Money is simply a
representation of the value of a product (without getting into a
discussion of the horror of currency not based on anything of value) and
therefore the use of it is really just the barter that you advocate.
There is nothing abstract about the idea of wealth.

T
fucking $


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From: Jason Green <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Orb-like dub recommendations?
Date: 25 Jun 2001 12:42:56 -0700


> Recently i've been getting into classic dub
> that the early orb releases were influenced
> by. I've purchased a few King Tubby, Zion
> Train, and Sly & Robbie cds but there are
> so many other names out there. I dont know
> what i should buy next. Lee Perry? Augustus
> Pablo? Andy Horace? Yabba You? The Scientist?
> During Alex's dj sets at the Detroit Orb show
> he played quite a few classic dub tracks which
> i really liked. anybody know what those were?
> any recommendations would be appreciated.


Try the Dub Trees album - it's called "Nature Never Betrayed The Heart That
Loved Her" and is on Dragonfly Records (UK).  It's Youth's project -
traditional dub sounds and influence combined with modern beats and
production.

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From: "Alex" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Orb in session with Mark Radcliffe Radio1
Date: 25 Jun 2001 20:43:45 +0100


> thanks! do you have the music that was played after it?
>


hiya
yep I have the music played before and after it. Ill have to get round to
mp3'ing them soon. But I need to get rid of the hiss of the tape first. :(
On the tape was live bass and drums version of towers of dub and oxbow
lakes. I think montagne d'or was released as a CD according to the discog.
Before the interview is "plateau" live, maybe its a live recording from the
peel sessions? or somewhere else?

ok cheers
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Subject: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer
Date: 25 Jun 2001 16:22:30 EDT


Just wanted to add a point that might add something to everyones listening experience: Alex's Teatime sessions and Space Orbyssey remix.

It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery, he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter mission.

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Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer
Date: 25 Jun 2001 14:14:11 -0700



> It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery, he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter mission.

That, and its mission statement contradicted its basic programming
directive not to harm a human being.  Computers have a far more
difficult time functioning with contradictions than humans do - though
of course the end result is equally predictable and catastrophic.

T


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From: Chris Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) actual on-topic post!
Date: 25 Jun 2001 14:31:38 -0700


For those who are interested, GrooveTech has the 6/14 show available.

Chris

np: the ambient sounds of my crappy CD-ROM drive


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From: Chris Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions
Date: 25 Jun 2001 14:34:13 -0700


Since a gentle nudge was apparently insufficient...

Tim C wrote:

> No, but you know what?  I used to be philsophically ignorant.  I was
> implicitly right about a lot of things, but I had not the tools to
> integrate my knowledge, to eliminate contradictions therein, and to move
> forward intellectually - and to live life properly.  All it took was
> someone pointing me in the right direction, saying there ARE answers -
> go to them.  If ANY of the people reading this say, huh, this sounds
> like the light I have been seeking - they may do so silently and I do
> not mind - I am not looking for thanks or acknowledgement - though that
> received so far has been appreciated - then mission accomplished.

You know, there are Usenet groups and mailing lists specifically for
that sort of thing. Note that this is the Orblist, just in case you were
confused.  :/

Is anyone else struck by how similar these rationalizations are to those
of spammers and fanatics of various stripes? Just a coincidence, I'm
sure.  :P

The ends do not necessarily justify the means, no matter how right you
think you are.

On a not-totally-unrelated topic; has anyone heard from Lazlo recently?
AFAICT, he's been MIA for about nine months.

If you (or anyone else) simply must get the last word in, feel free. I'm
done with even reading these threads.

Chris
(getting real close to PLONKing a couple more people; I'm really
dismayed about having to do that on this list)


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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) recent "philosophical" discussions
Date: 25 Jun 2001 17:45:24 -0400


damn, why does everyone have to resort to personal attacks? fuck, i've had
plenty of disagreements with people on this list - but at least i have never
gotten personal with anyone...

the last thing we need is all that negative BS - like OOBE started a while
back...

::
::Is anyone else struck by how similar these rationalizations
::are to those
::of spammers and fanatics of various stripes? Just a coincidence, I'm
::sure.


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Subject: (orb) Where *is* Lazlo???
Date: 25 Jun 2001 17:50:12 -0500



> On a not-totally-unrelated topic; has anyone heard from Lazlo recently?
> AFAICT, he's been MIA for about nine months.

===>Heh, it would appear so.  I've tried contacting him on at
least three separate occasions, because I am subscribed to this
list TWICE, and cannot get my one account removed.
(The place where I work had a domain name change on January 1,
and I had to resubscribe using my new email address, since
I can no longer send from my old email address.  However, I
still *receive* mail at the old address.  Since I cannot utilize
the old address, I cannot unsubscribe from the old one (nor
post from it, which is why I had to resubscribe in the first
place!).)

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From: Martin Wallace <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) The last word....
Date: 25 Jun 2001 16:49:58 -0500


I personally would like OOBE to get the last word in on this one. Where
are you OOBE, and why so quiet?

 >>>If you (or anyone else) simply must get the last word in, feel free.
I'm
 >>>done with even reading these threads.


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Subject: (orb) Re: The last word....
Date: 25 Jun 2001 15:10:02 -0700


Martin Wallace wrote:
>
> I personally would like OOBE to get the last word in on this one. Where
> are you OOBE, and why so quiet?

I very nearly spit on my monitor at this one! Best one-liner in quite a
while.  :D

Thanks for the smile!

Chris
(not-quite ROTF)


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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:33:26 -0400
Date: 25 Jun 2001 16:33:29 -0600


it's funny how people rationalize rude comments as being sarcastic...

well damn, I guess that's ok then...


Justin


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From: oobe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Re: The last word....
Date: 25 Jun 2001 18:01:39 -0500


because i'm just too fucking cool for this gay ass conversation by all these
wannabe intellectuals.  yop.

-=oobe


> Martin Wallace wrote:
> >
> > I personally would like OOBE to get the last word in on this one. Where
> > are you OOBE, and why so quiet?
>
> I very nearly spit on my monitor at this one! Best one-liner in quite a
> while.  :D
>
> Thanks for the smile!
>
> Chris
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From: Don Gagen <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Frequent Off Topic Discussions
Date: 25 Jun 2001 17:51:29 -0500


I've been fairly quiet about this.  That's mostly because it takes less
effort to hit the delete key than it does to waist time responding to
undying off topic threads.  However, the frequency of off topic posts has
increased so much over the last year.  It seems that there is more off topic
BS, than there is ORB content.

I've found that the best way to keep everyone happy is just talk about the
ORB.  That's why were all here.  I didn't join the list because I want to
save the rain forest, hear pedantic monologues on philosophy and
enlightenment, or debate socialist vs. capitalist systems.  If we keep on
topic, or at least stay within the realm of music I think everyone will be
much happier.  We all like the ORB, and we can all agree on that.

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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 18:33:26 -0400
Date: 25 Jun 2001 19:02:49 -0400


lets get something straight here - this has nothing to do with Tim or his
philosophy - i didn't even read what he had to say...

 and who are you to judge what "netiquette" or "common courtesy" is when you
lower yourself to a level that is uncourteious to other individuals. if you
compared me to others you consider "fanatics" - i wouldn't take that as a
kind remark...

oh, and just because i don't agree with you does not mean i don't know what
common courtesy is - if i want to reply to something, i will - i don't need
your permission. who are you to judge anyway? the only things you know about
me are what i've told you...

Justin


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Subject: RE: (orb) Frequent Off Topic Discussions
Date: 25 Jun 2001 19:07:37 -0400


and i would have to concur - but, since the Orb don't release albums every
year and consistently tour often it would be a dead list. and besides, this
list contains some of the most intelligent people that i have had
conversations with, and it is good to have varying conversations from time
to time - it's what keeps alot of people on this list...

::I've found that the best way to keep everyone happy is just
::talk about the
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Subject: RE: (orb) Frequent Off Topic Discussions
Date: 25 Jun 2001 18:28:43 -0700






>the frequency of off topic posts has increased so much over the last year.
>It seems that there is more off topic BS, than there is ORB content.

There's the answer, Lazlo has probably just gotten used to hitting the
delete
key and is now deleting everything from the list.  Can't say that I blame
him.

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From: Simon Bennett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer
Date: 26 Jun 2001 09:27:46 +0800



>>It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had
>>a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery,
>>he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter
>>mission.
>
>yes, and if you can be bothered watching 2010 there is a detailed
>exposition of what HAL's problem was by his inventor, Dr Chandra. as well
>as some good samples like:
>
>'you know what i miss [on this spaceship]? i miss green..'
>
>:)
>
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From: Tim C <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer
Date: 25 Jun 2001 18:55:48 -0700


> >yes, and if you can be bothered watching 2010 there is a detailed
> >exposition of what HAL's problem was by his inventor, Dr Chandra. as well
> >as some good samples like:
> >
> >'you know what i miss [on this spaceship]? i miss green..'

Yeah, there's the great "Something is going to happen.  Something
wonderful." or something like that, which is sampled to great effect on
the Reload Collection of Short Stories disc (recently discussed in this
very forum).  Granted, to see this film, you also have to put up with
insipid stuff like John Lithgow's fear of heights and
intestine-wrenchingly bad acting conveying it, as well as the sets that
seemed to totally forget 2001's vision of the future not having blinky
lights all over every available spacecraft control panel.

To keep this Orb related (!), yes, my friends and I went generally bat
shit when they played the 2001 samples at Maritime Hall.

T

PS - As I understand it, we can look forward to a theatrical re-release
of 2001 later this year.  I also think (again, this is slightly Orb
related* as it played at some shows) Apocalypse Now is coming up for
theatrical re-release too.

* Not only am I smart, I am also a smart ass.  I just wanted to make it
clear that this Orb-related concession is only spelled out for the
benefit of those who have been whining that other issues get discussed
here - and I remind said people that the only reason those issues do get
discussed here is they are completely relevant for understanding why or
why not it is acceptable or not to copy certain musical material without
paying for it - a thread I certainly didn't start.  So there.


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From: Ed <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) promos
Date: 25 Jun 2001 19:01:17 -0700



>If selling promos were illegal, almost every used record store in LA
>would be out of business, as most of their stock is promo material.
>Chain record stores that sell used CDs (like Wherehouse) don't sell
>promos because that would be the final straw for the distributors and
>major labels, who are already pissed that they are selling used CDs.
>
>Chris

If that isn't the truth.  Only the chain stores would be left open, and
Tower is just about bankrupt so there wouldn't be much left.  Without coping
everything that Chris stated I'll just add a couple of more points.  The
"not for
sale" stamped on promo's means not to be sold as a new record.  They can
order
boxes of the purchase copies to satisfy everyone.  Promo's usually don't
come
shrink wrapped like new stuff (in the US they shrink wrap just about
everything)
The promo's I see in all the stores are found in the "Used" bins, not the
bins
with new product.  (Of course someone selling on the web will try and get as
much
as possible when they know there is a demand for it)  Promo's many times
have
different covers, or no covers at all.  Promo's are not only for Radio &
news media,
but also for DJ's.  Many times they are not going to release that 12" that
was
released overseas because it just doesn't pay them to put it out in this
country.
The promo is a service to the DJ so that the material gets heard and
somebody goes
out and buys the album.  They could give a **** that people will be pissed
when they
buy the album and can't find that mix they were dancing to the other night.
They
don't care.  This must be the third time this topic has come up in two
years.  If you
live in LA it's promo galore when you hit shops around town.  NY too from
what I've
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Subject: (orb) the Orb and science fiction
Date: 26 Jun 2001 11:02:35 +0800


At 06:55 PM 06-25-2001 -0700, you wrote:

> > >yes, and if you can be bothered watching 2010 there is a detailed
> > >exposition of what HAL's problem was by his inventor, Dr Chandra. as well
> > >as some good samples like:
> > >
> > >'you know what i miss [on this spaceship]? i miss green..'
>
>Yeah, there's the great "Something is going to happen.  Something
>wonderful." or something like that

exactly that, i think. that's an easy one though.

>Granted, to see this film, you also have to put up with
>insipid stuff like John Lithgow's fear of heights and
>intestine-wrenchingly bad acting conveying it,

oh be nice, he does a sterling job of portraying a man who's crapping
himself. :) (i know i'd crap myself if i had to do a spacewalk like that.)

>as well as the sets that
>seemed to totally forget 2001's vision of the future not having blinky
>lights all over every available spacecraft control panel.

but blinky lights rock! computers should be covered in the buggers. i've
never liked internal modems for the simple reason that they're more or less
bereft of blinky lights. besides which, what's quicker: asking HAL (or his
counterpart) for information or checking a blinky light?

besides which, they might have come into fashion again by then. :) what
amuses me most about 2010 is that the Cold War is still going; what really
blows me away is the ending - one of the coolest things in science-fiction
cinema for a long time. but i don't want to spoil the surprise.

>To keep this Orb related (!), yes, my friends and I went generally bat
>shit when they played the 2001 samples at Maritime Hall.
>
>T
>
>PS - As I understand it, we can look forward to a theatrical re-release
>of 2001 later this year.

i can look backward to it. it's been and gone in Australia, as far as i know.

>I also think (again, this is slightly Orb
>related* as it played at some shows) Apocalypse Now is coming up for
>theatrical re-release too.

yes, with stacks of extra footage.

obTopic: the Orb's Ultraworld album had a nice fluffy astro-sci-fi bent, it
did. anyone tried doing sci-fi visuals and Orb audio - e.g how does AHEGPB
work over the trip sequence at the end of 2001? (apparently Pink Floyd's
song Echoes synchs beautifully..)


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Subject: Re: (orb) Breakdown of HAL the computer
Date: 26 Jun 2001 08:50:50 +0100


>>It has been argued that HAL,(the main ships computer (2001)) probably had a breakdown because although programmed to support the crew of Discovery, he was forced to hide information about the real reason for the Jupiter mission.

>That, and its mission statement contradicted its basic programming directive not to harm a human being.  Computers have a far more difficult time functioning with contradictions than humans do - though of course the end result is equally predictable and catastrophic.

Finally the ship was under command of a computer with a psychosis...apparently not a very good combination.

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From: John Moxness <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) new music
Date: 26 Jun 2001 08:02:47 -0500



are there any web sites that show new releases and up and coming?  possibly
one that specializes in electronic music?

thanks,
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Subject: Re: (orb) new music
Date: 26 Jun 2001 09:49:12 -0400


: are there any web sites that show new releases and up and coming?
possibly
: one that specializes in electronic music?


not specifically electronic.. but if you shop around enough on
www.amazon.com the recommendations they give are pretty inline w/ my tastes
now. they use a profiling/personalization engine to do the recommendations
and have a enough 'cool' & 'related' artists strung together to keep you
busy. besides it's easy to find stuff on their site. for example... look at
a Kruder & Dorfmiester CD... and they'll recommend Tosca or Peace Orchestra.
Then they'll recommend other Downtempo artists based on you looking at the
K&D discs. A good way to start is get registered and log in. Then just
search for the discs you *do* own. Rate them using their little 5 star
system (in the left nav bar) and go around and vote on your favorite
albums... Rate about 20 of your CDs (don't need to write a review, just
vote) and it should start kicking some good recommendations. Then next time
you login ... the home page will change to fit your choices and it'll start
throwing out new releases related to electronic music. I've been using
Amazon.com for a while, and it even recommended Cydonia when it finally came
out, based on my other purchases, votes, and browse-ing-s

Of course this depends on how paranoid you are and if you are willing to let
yourself get profiled on the web site.



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From: Susan Bartos <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Brezeblock
Date: 26 Jun 2001 10:38:30 EDT


Hi everyone -

I just obtained a copy of the Breezeblock Radio 1 set, and I was wonderin=
g if
someone has a listing of the songs that includes running times.  The list=
ing
that came with my copy is a little awkward, since the CD actually starts =
with
Hamlet of Kings, but this is not included on the list.  (If I knew all th=
e
songs this wouldn't be a problem, but...)  So if anyone has this and feel=
s
like forwarding it on to me, it would be greatly appreciated and much mor=
e
accurate than me trying to do it all myself. :)

Thanks in advance.


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From: "</ x e n l a b >" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Brezeblock
Date: 26 Jun 2001 10:56:32 -0400


I don't have an exact listing but thru out the course of the set he played:

S.A.L.T.  w/ the 2001 samples as a lead in.
The Elvis "ReMix" ? (A Little Less Conversation)
BOB I a
S.E. Berlin version of "Barbie Girl"
Hamlet of Kings

(and if i remember correctly, a remix of Once More and a mix of Centuries)

and other tracks that seem to be popping up in all his recent sets



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From: merrick patton schaefer <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) acideatingvisionaries
Date: 26 Jun 2001 10:15:39 -0500 (CDT)



well all this has taught me that orb fans have very diverse views on
everything and dispelled my notion that we are all a bunch of acid eating
visionaries trying to attain telapathic unity of mind and soul through
music.

i think that is what youth is going for.  I think the "celtic
cross" albulm by him and simon is the least subtle manifesto I have seen
yet.  anyway if you are into the orb check out youths stuff on
dragonfly/lsd.  dubtrees, celtic cross, and alex's voyage into paridise
are all good.


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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Smiley?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Brezeblock
Date: 26 Jun 2001 16:25:34 +0100 (BST)


Susan wrote:
> I just obtained a copy of the Breezeblock Radio 1
> set, and I was wondering if someone has a listing of

> the songs that includes running times.  The listing
> that came with my copy is a little awkward, since
> the CD actually starts with Hamlet of Kings, but
> this is not included on the list.

hamlet of kings was actually played by the dj
(mary-anne hobbs) BEFORE the mix set, so isn't
actually part of the set as such and why it's not on
the list.

so, take it from there and you should be OK.

cheers,



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From: sleepyBrett <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) badorb
Date: 26 Jun 2001 09:42:27 -0700


well i went back to check and lo and behold they took down the "get ready to
pay" page and went back to the same old stuff *sigh* i hope that they are
delaying the pressing of bob1-3 while they get their ecommerce woes sorted
out.  perhaps they could just switch to paypal ;)

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Subject: RE: (orb) badorb
Date: 26 Jun 2001 17:42:11 +0100


they've already pressed them. Don't believe this "limited quantity" crap.



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Subject: RE: (orb) badorb
Date: 26 Jun 2001 13:08:38 -0400


I figure once badorb.com actually starts selling things, it's going to be to
pricey for me anyway...
I don't mind paying for music I enjoy, but I'm half expecting this to cost 2
or 3 times more then you average album release...
and no CD's???
Sorry, I don't DJ and I have no use for a turntable...








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Subject: Re: [RE: (orb) badorb]
Date: 26 Jun 2001 13:39:51 EDT


Well, someone was selling all 3 bob's on eil.com (they're out of stock no=
w)
for $23.98 each, so I wouldn't think that badorb.com would sell them for =
more
than $10- $15.  And I don't DJ either, but there's so much good stuff out=

there on vinyl, plus the whole collecting aspect, I couldn't live without=
 a
turntable!


"TheEye" <[e-mail]> wrote:

I figure once badorb.com actually starts selling things, it's going to be=
 to
pricey for me anyway...
I don't mind paying for music I enjoy, but I'm half expecting this to cos=
t 2
or 3 times more then you average album release...
and no CD's???
Sorry, I don't DJ and I have no use for a turntable...




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Subject: Re: (orb) badorb
Date: 26 Jun 2001 13:43:04 -0400


: Sorry, I don't DJ and I have no use for a turntable...

Unless of course you want to hear BadOrb Releases off their intended media
distribution: i.e. Vinyl.

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From: "Chain Reaction" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) new music
Date: 26 Jun 2001 21:48:06 +0100


>are there any web sites that show new releases and up and coming?  possibly one that specializes in electronic music?

I get my kicks from the following site (and they're
specialized in electronic stuff too!)..:

http://www.brainwashed.com/releases/

Enjoy!

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From: "Dan Kelly" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) new releases
Date: 26 Jun 2001 18:47:49 -0400


.............are there any web sites that show new releases and up and
coming?  possibly
one that specializes in electronic music?

:::::this one has been going for a couple of years now. most, if not all,
are electronic music releases.
http://www.brainwashed.com/releases/

:::::::::this one's kinda skimpy but you can request his weekly mailinglist,
which is better. price & service is good
http://www.skimo.com

::::::this is helpful too.
 http://www.allmusic.com/


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From: Ed <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Patterns & Textures
Date: 26 Jun 2001 16:04:51 -0700



Just received my "Patterns & Textures" with CD in the mail from Australia
(nice stamps).  It is the real thing.  I knew that I was getting a PAL
version of the video, but figured I had better grab while the grabbing was
good.  If there is anyone out there with a real (not a bootleg) NTSC version
that wants to trade for a real (not a bootleg) PAL version please contact me
off list.  This is my second Orb item in a row that's come through
Australia.

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From: "Seofon / ATOI" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Frequent Off Topic Discussions
Date: 26 Jun 2001 16:19:18 -0700


>It seems that there is more off topic BS, than there is ORB content. I've
>found that the best way to keep everyone happy is just talk about
>the ORB.  That's why were all here.  I didn't join the list because I want
>to save the rain forest, hear pedantic monologues on philosophy and
>enlightenment, or debate socialist vs. capitalist systems.

Fair enough, indeed.  But most these tangents came about because of an
Orb-related discussion, so I submit that it shouldn't be too difficult (and
should be a good policy) to frequently bring the subject back to some kind
of Orb relevance.

For example, the thread on art ownership may have been OT philsophical
ranting, but such philosophical debates among music industry execs have very
real repercussions when they decide whether Napster or even the OAA comes
under fire.  And it also concerns LX's ability to reissue his own material,
which is something near and dear to our hearts ...

I'm all for intellectual banter, and overall this is the most pleasant group
I've come across ... but, indeed, this is a forum and not a soapbox.

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Subject: Re: (orb) new releases
Date: 26 Jun 2001 21:36:25 EDT


In a message dated 6/26/01 6:52:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< are there any web sites that show new releases and up and
 coming?  possibly >>
In a message dated 6/26/01 6:52:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< are there any web sites that show new releases and up and
 coming?  possibly >>
this is my favorite for general releases:
www.icemagazine.com


for current dance/trance/techno/house releases with loads of mp3 samples try

http://www.juno.co.uk/   and

http://www.dance-music-reviews.com  ( no mp3 )

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From: Joseph Hannah <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Greg Hunter inf: new album spcl ded.
Date: 27 Jun 2001 11:18:37 -0700 (PDT)


Agahst! ::Trade me ::Orb Related::

> For those into music a bit of info regarding Greg
> Hunter ( ex engineer for
> The Orb..)
>
> New Album
> Title:        Sout el Leil
> Artist:        Fifth Sun ( Greg and Amir Abo Elmagio )
> Label:         MELT 2000
> Website:    www.melt2000.com

Could an everso intelectual kind soul member of the
Orb list please direct me into getting a copy of this
recording aboveforementioned????  I thank the list for
an awesome dive into my own cerbellum reading all the
crossed posts and latest debates....  The posts doo
doo belong even if slightly off topic fer a while.
PS:
"Keep it real put more water in the radiator and
dedicate one to the Canadian mamas babies and baby
mothers....  They're Here!!!"

Joe in Fl my ex- is starting a family w/ a Priest!!
Now Playing: Pepper (these guys are an awesome band
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Subject: (orb) Greg Hunter inf: new album spec ded
Date: 27 Jun 2001 11:19:35 -0700 (PDT)



> Glad to see animated debate regarding things of
> little intrest...


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From: Casey <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Auntie Aubrey's Xcursions
Date: 27 Jun 2001 15:39:15 -0700 (PDT)


hiya from beefybear...
Anyone else see the beeyoootiful ad for Beyond the Call of Duty Part 2
in the July/August issue of URB? Looks like Part 1 is coming back too.
A lil notice at the bottom says both are out now, listen and buy at
http://www.ultrarecords.com, but looks like the site's not up and
running yet...


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From: T1 <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) orb@DOUR festival Belgium
Date: 28 Jun 2001 08:38:51 +0200


I was wondering if there are people who are going to this gig on July
5th as the orb will be playing live at 01.00 am i think.
http://www.dourfestival.be for more details its only like 50DM per Day
or 100DM for 4 days. please email me if you like to meet up before
*especially* those nl guys with the good stuff ;) hope to hear from
you guys

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From: "Seofon" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) System 7 "Altitude" 2x12 on Ebay
Date: 28 Jun 2001 00:29:04 -0700


Hey!  It really exists.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1442329343
I don't even have a turntable, so I feel kind of undeserving, but I hope
someone on the list gets it.  If you get there fast you can buy it outright
for a nice, steep price.

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From: "John Heery" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) re:greg hunter: new album
Date: 28 Jun 2001 10:45:41 +0100


ello all

electronic melt were very kind in that they sent me a preview copy of this
CD about a month ago.

basically the album is egyptian pop! But don't let that put you off,
fantastic production ( as ever from Greg ), great up vibe to the whole
thing, even though I don't speak or sing egyptian its a groovy record and
worth getting hold of if your a fan of Gregs.

Track 2 on the Cd has a very similar bassline to Outlands...so if your
looking for a good mix opportunity I'd love to hear some one mix em
together.

Now ..where can I get a copy of bycles and tricycles?

laters

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From: "Reverend djbluE (Chromatest)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
Date: 28 Jun 2001 08:08:20 -0400





tonight (thursday night) there is a show inside the brooklyn bridge,
in the brooklyn anchorage
http://www.creativetime.org/anch2001/anch.htm

Mille Plateaux
panacea (crazy jungle)
Kid 606
and many others
http://www.creativetime.org/anch2001/music.htm#mp

it looks like a really cool space and all, but I can't go (work..
grumble grumble)...

just giving people a heads up.
-ben


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From: Susan Bartos <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [(orb) System 7 "Altitude" 2x12 on Ebay]
Date: 28 Jun 2001 09:02:03 EDT


Looks like JC has already claimed it!


"Seofon" <[e-mail]> wrote:

Hey!  It really exists.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D1442329343
I don't even have a turntable, so I feel kind of undeserving, but I hope
someone on the list gets it.  =



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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
Date: 28 Jun 2001 10:34:50 -0400 (EDT)


> tonight (thursday night) there is a show inside the brooklyn bridge,
> in the brooklyn anchorage
> http://www.creativetime.org/anch2001/anch.htm

    I wanted to second this. Everyone on this list should check out
this venue at least once, and this one's lineup is amazing. If you've
never seen Panacea live you're missing out. I went to the anchorage for
the first time about a week ago for the Hexstatic show (hexstatic worked
with coldcut to develop their VJamm software, which anyone who got the 2cd
version of let us play is familiar with :P).

    You should go soon because its normally an art space, and the
stuff that's in there now is fucking out of control. A giant grid of blue
and red LEDs that's maybe a hundred feet by a hundred feet. That space is
like a cave, and its huge. Definately worth the haul to the 1st stop in
brooklyn. Personally I live right near there, so I'm gonna ride my bike
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Subject: Re: [(orb) System 7 "Altitude" 2x12 on Ebay]
Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:08:31 +0100


>>Looks like JC has already claimed it!

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.......


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From: "Anders Dam" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) We Are Living In An Orbfull Time
Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:38:49 -0000



Now hearing a piece of orb. Oh, yes. We are in orbfull times.
The track is Der Gvte Berg. Friends, Foes and equal lurkers.
Thank God for the fucking orb. Orbfull times you say and the
preacher goes on and on about a very recent full-length album
stuffed with goodies into which all true orbos will for a long
time disappear and reappear over And over again now that we
have yet another piece of plastic wrapped in muzick. Go now
children to the meek and the humble And blessed be the one who
incidentically turns another soul onto our not so secret
treasure for the times are blatantly orbfull times.


On a more earthy note IÆd like to direct your attention to my
new and first website which is sorry to say only in danish.

Just had to shareàsomething


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From: "Wilcox, Rebecca L - EWW EXO" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) We Are Living In An Orbfull Time
Date: 28 Jun 2001 18:00:37 -0000


(delurk)

Amen brudda!   Thank God for music!!!!!!!!

Rebecca (will have to practice some Danish)

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Now hearing a piece of orb. Oh, yes. We are in orbfull times.
The track is Der Gvte Berg. Friends, Foes and equal lurkers.
Thank God for the fucking orb. Orbfull times you say and the
preacher goes on and on about a very recent full-length album
stuffed with goodies into which all true orbos will for a long
time disappear and reappear over And over again now that we
have yet another piece of plastic wrapped in muzick. Go now
children to the meek and the humble And blessed be the one who
incidentically turns another soul onto our not so secret
treasure for the times are blatantly orbfull times.


On a more earthy note I'd like to direct your attention to my
new and first website which is sorry to say only in danish.

Just had to share...something


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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) BADORB is taking orders!
Date: 28 Jun 2001 00:40:16 -0600


And have a subscription to dnld just mp3's...



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From: "Levering, Steve" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) BADORB is taking orders!
Date: 28 Jun 2001 13:58:46 -0500


It won't let you use Netscape though...  Great web design triumphs again...

> ----------
> From:     bi11i
> Subject:     (orb) BADORB is taking orders!
>
>
> And have a subscription to dnld just mp3's...
>
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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) only IE for badorb!?!
Date: 28 Jun 2001 15:08:48 -0400 (EDT)



    O man, who made THAT decision? :)



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From: Chris Johnson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) BADORB is taking orders!
Date: 28 Jun 2001 12:20:36 -0700


"Levering, Steve" wrote:
>
> It won't let you use Netscape though...  Great web design triumphs again...

The site *implies* that you can't use Netscape (and I was about to fire
off an extremely bitchy email to Garphoo), but you can; just click on
the astronaut/ibis.

Of course, the site *still* runs like crap on my 32 meg P133 at work,
but hey, everyone has the latest processor and lots of bandwidth,
right?  :/

The thing that really blows though is that overseas subscriptions are
actually *more* expensive than ordering each month's releases
separately.  :(

The fact that BadOrb is selling mp3 subscriptions should engender some
more "interesting" debates, especially since the mp3s are going to be
available a month before the vinyl...but it would be nice if we knew the
bitrate, etc. before subscribing. If they are doing mp3s, it makes
getting this stuff on CD easier, but I still wish they'd just do CDs as
well.

Chris
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From: "James A. Crippen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
Date: 28 Jun 2001 10:59:50 -0800 (AKDT)


> Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
                           ^^^^^^^^^
This confused the heck out of me for a few moments.  For a minute I was
under the impression that something really neat was going to happen up
here.

Ah well, I guess I'll just keep hoping that the rest of our town will grow
out of DnB/Gabber someday. :P

'james

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Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
Date: 28 Jun 2001 16:04:19 -0400 (EDT)


> Ah well, I guess I'll just keep hoping that the rest of our town will grow
> out of DnB/Gabber someday. :P

    How can you group drum and bass with gabber!? :) Besides isn't
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From: Boob McNutt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) BADORB is taking orders!
Date: 28 Jun 2001 16:18:58 -0400 (EDT)


> Of course, the site *still* runs like crap on my 32 meg P133 at work,
> but hey, everyone has the latest processor and lots of bandwidth,
> right?  :/

256 megs and a Mac G4, and the site still runs like molasses. I'm really
curious to know what type of computers they bothered to test the damn
site on..


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Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
Date: 28 Jun 2001 12:55:21 -0800 (AKDT)


On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Benjamin L. May wrote:

> > Ah well, I guess I'll just keep hoping that the rest of our town will grow
> > out of DnB/Gabber someday. :P
>
>     How can you group drum and bass with gabber!? :)

Cause I find DnB to be just as annoying as Gabber.  DnB irritates me
because it's so obnoxiously repetetetive and has very little content other
than the beat.  It's just too minimal for me to enjoy.  If I wanted that
I'd hack a loop up on my computer and just let it play all day long, but I
don't consider much of the DnB music to be anything terribly musical.

And besides, it's too easy to mix DnB.  I'd be much more impressed if you
could mix Alice Coltrane, for instance.  But when the bloody record goes
right out and says "I'm done at 140bpm straight through and you don't have
to worry about crossing melodies or syncopations." then it just takes all
the fun out, IMNSHO.

Gabber just drives me nuts.  I can't understand anything at 250bpm.  I
don't enjoy the sound of jackhammers in my skull either -- I take drugs to
make that *go away*, so why should I want to experience it voluntarily?
Bleah. :P

only somewhat facetiously, flames > /dev/null
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From: "</ x e n l a b >" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:02:55 -0400


: How can you group drum and bass with gabber!? :)

If you'll review your Heirarchy of Electronic Music Genre Splitting Manual,
you'll remember that Both Gabber and Drum n Bass grew from the same
branch --> The Rotterdam Hardcore Scene.


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Subject: Re: (orb) BADORB is taking orders!
Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:04:27 -0400


: It won't let you use Netscape though...  Great web design triumphs
again...

As if the geniuses at netscape (or mozilla for that matter) have done
anything but release crappy, bug-infested software since version three was
updated.

And while, as a web designer, I test everything in both browsers, It is
still my philosophy to get it to work in Netscape (as opposed to fine tuning
a design that looks EXACTLY the same in both browsers) -- because, as I have
been known to put it, "Netscape users are used to seeing the web look like
sh*t"

However, this only goes for windows users, since the Mac has some pretty
good alternatives beside NN and IE.


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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:15:11 -0400


hey, for the most part i agree - but - Goldie is the exception to the
rule...
also, let me add Grooverider... both are very dark, unrepetitive, complex,
and f'ing hard!! check out Goldie -Timeless. this is not a staight d/b
album, their is alot of jazz and some piano- but an excellent album. check
it out...

::Cause I find DnB to be just as annoying as Gabber.  DnB irritates me
::because it's so obnoxiously repetetetive and has very little
::content other
::than the beat.  It's just too minimal for me to enjoy.  If I
::wanted that
::I'd hack a loop up on my computer and just let it play all
::day long, but I
::don't consider much of the DnB music to be anything terribly musical.


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From: "Benjamin L. May" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:41:22 -0400 (EDT)



> branch --> The Rotterdam Hardcore Scene.

    Yeah but that doesn't mean that they're really that similar
anymore. I mean gabber and what is now D&B are pretty different...



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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
Date: 28 Jun 2001 17:50:20 -0400


RON D CORE isn't that bad either now that i think of it - it is all in your
approach to music - cause his shit is very fast but his beats aren't
repetitive. i'm not really into the really really fast stuff cause when you
reach a certain bpm the sound really mushes together so much you can't tell
what is going on...


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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:04:50 -0400
Date: 28 Jun 2001 16:07:22 -0600


sorry, one more thing - the Orb have done, what i consider, some fucking
badass d/b...

and although i don't think their are many Eat Static fans on this list -
Science of the Gods is also more than worthy - and i am picky when it comes
to music...

Justin Meredith
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From: Brian <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) BADORB is taking orders!
Date: 28 Jun 2001 21:13:10 -0500


I'm a web designer too -- and I always code to Netscape standards.  Netscape
doesn't allow for shitty code, and will return errors if the code doesn't
meet some standards...  Too bad Netscape is utter shite. :)

Cheers,

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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Had to send this from another list...
Date: 28 Jun 2001 22:54:31 -0600



Sorry for the OT, but I found this amusing.. and even matched up a few
of the archetypes with folks on the list...

http://www.winternet.com/~mikelr/flame1.html

-lis
(cross between Picador and Kung-Fu Warrior)

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From: Justin Roby <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:04:50 -0400
Date: 29 Jun 2001 08:47:19 -0400



Oh yes.  Eat Static does some *very* nice DnB, closer in line to Photek with
more melody rather than Aphrodite style.  I'm rather disappointed with
"Crash and Burn" though.

If you know your pedigrees, you know that the two founding members of Eat
Static, Merv Pepler and Joie Hinton were both members of Ozric Tentacles,
legendary jam band of yore (and the now-defunct free festivals in the
English countryside).  Listen to "Erpland" and you'll hear Merv
accomplishing DnB style drum patterns, not only with a live drum kit (rather
than with programming), but also in 1991, about two years before anything
resembling DnB began to take hold.

BTW, I know the Ozrics still exist.  Every other album is classic, though
(Listened to Waterfall Cities nonstop for a while, but the most recent one
is kinda, eh.)

Take it easy, folks,

Justin Roby

> From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 16:07:22 -0600
> To: "'[e-mail]'" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (orb) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:04:50 -0400
>
>
> sorry, one more thing - the Orb have done, what i consider, some fucking
> badass d/b...
>
> and although i don't think their are many Eat Static fans on this list -
> Science of the Gods is also more than worthy - and i am picky when it comes
> to music...
>
> Justin Meredith
> Meter  Associate
> 5678




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Subject: Re: (orb) BADORB is taking orders!
Date: 29 Jun 2001 09:44:35 -0400 (EDT)



> curious to know what type of computers they bothered to test the damn
> site on..

Testing...hey, that WOULD be a good idea :)

I wonder what the bitrate of the MP3s in the subscription service will
be...maybe I'll ask Garphoo...

And doesn't the text on the information page sound like similar to something
out of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy? Perhaps it's just me....


james

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From: "Meredith, Justin" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (orb) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 18:04:50 -0400
Date: 29 Jun 2001 11:51:32 -0400


yea i didn't care for Crash and Burn either - but - they do have a new album
called IN THE NUDE and it supposedly is alot like Science of the Gods so as
soon as i get another credit card i will hit up their web site...



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From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Christoph=20Kluxen?= <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) only IE for badorb!?!
Date: 29 Jun 2001 21:42:41 +0200 (CEST)


   O man, who made THAT decision? :)
>
>
> Oh yes Shit,can`t anyone get a 6-pack of the BOB
> releases for us?
>

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From: "James A. Crippen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
Date: 29 Jun 2001 23:53:21 -0800 (AKDT)


On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, Reverend djbluE (Chromatest) wrote:

> and what's wrong with d'n'b? (prefer jungle myself.)

Most of what I've heard is too repetitive and shows little imagination.
But then again I haven't actively sought out DnB and all I have to go on
is the crap that the local low-life DJs peddle, which is never impressive.
I don't get out of Alaska to see any of the music scene very much (I get
out for other reasons, but I never have any time to go to shows or
concerts).

> at least it isn't garage...  fuck that 2step shit.  :)

Hey, why not a waltz?  I'd love to see all the raver kiddies try to
figure out how to dance to a techno version of a Viennese waltz in 3/4
time.  Hehehe.... >:D

'james

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From: Justin Roby <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC
Date: 30 Jun 2001 11:20:53 -0400


Speaking of Waltzes, if you listen very closely to Orbital's "The Middle of
Nowhere,"  "Way Out-->" and "Spare Parts Express" get very waltzlike...

Justin

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> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 23:53:21 -0800 (AKDT)
> To: <[e-mail]>
> Cc: The Orb Mailing List <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: (orb) Tonight at the Anchorage.. NYC

>
> Hey, why not a waltz?  I'd love to see all the raver kiddies try to
> figure out how to dance to a techno version of a Viennese waltz in 3/4
> time.  Hehehe.... >:D
>
> 'james
>
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From: Joseph Hannah <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Oral Or-ambling-b orb...........
Date: 30 Jun 2001 11:25:27 -0700 (PDT)


....Just got through watching the splendid views of
priemere football via my digital cabel tele; Alex's
favorite team Chelsea is equal to the best team on our
planet.  Big ups to Chelsea!!! So how is everyones
summer going?  What thread do I want to start.... Oh
yeah,
reasons to take a summer vacation (or winter, Kael!?!)

 ..........I really enjoyed cooling off w/ responses
from James in Alaska lately as the heat index is
appraoching 105 ! (feels like 69 degrees Kelvin if you
ask me;)here in my home swamp state. I tell you now
the fluffy clouds are compliments to my perifeirl(sp?)
vision as well as any human soul. The fact that Alex
and co. wrote a song about the water vapor recieving
royal colours is too EXTREMELY coinsidental to me as a
Floridian. The stars aligned nicely for my birthday
last week... Nasa is going off this weekend too. Any
one see Mars up close lately??? Killer 1/2 moonset
last night as well. Know wonder Island / Def Jam did
nothing to promote Cydonia...  Did you ever think that
somewhere else in the world ther may be someone else
that is alike to you???  With this list I assume we
can coordinate that its possible ? What is the
original format of the Badorb promo???  Wasn't it a 7"
or 10 " record??   'cept I need a better version than
the one Ant helped me get.  Also don't you all think
Alex and Co. could re-release U.F.ORB lp as a remixed
double release???  We already have the Frank De Wulf,
Millwall, and Pool mixes working for the Re-release.
It is not impossible for Alex to make a house version
of Sticky End. How was the Solipse Festival?? Was
there a recording of any sort??   Anyone on the list
at Rockslide now ??? I should be listening to Little
Fluffy Clouds except I am looking at them for real
instead and...

Now Playing: The Police = "Secret Journey"
 Joe from Flove XX OO -n- bear hugs ever after

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From: "bi11i" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (orb) Badorb mp3's
Date: 30 Jun 2001 21:22:15 -0600


Anyone know what the bitrate is on these yet?



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