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From: Christopher John Rapier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Grunt
Date: 01 Dec 1989 09:14:15 -0500 (EST)

About Strum Group. I just found one of their albums and plunked down $4
for it. I only listened to it once but I wasn't extremely impressed on
the first go. I'll listen to it again and see, but it just doesn't sound
terribly original. The only thing that really struck me was the for some
reason the sound of the vocals just did not fit.

You know how I'm asking about the The Very Things (found out thats how
its actually spelled)? I was able to find one of their '87 releaes and
irts really disappointing that they jumped onto the dancy wancy band
wagon. Why can't people just make music to listen to anymore? Oh well.
The other album that I mentioned, My Daddy Prunes While the Bushes
Scream is pretty cool so you should give it a listen. If you don't I'll
shove your dogs head down the toilet.

I am Elmer Fudd!
I am Clint Ruin!
I am FOETUS FUDD!!
(the thwone of agohney)

christos "My name is Elmer J. Fudd, Millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht"


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From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hanatarash, 120 mins, whitehouse, other junk
Date: 01 Dec 1989 10:11:22 -0500 (EST)

There's a new Hanatarash album ("3") out now on RRR. Hanatarash are a
japanese band who make some pretty dense noise. Kind of like Merzbow or
the better Whitehouse or Ramleh records, but with a lot more variety and
intensity. This is a great album, I reccomed it.

"Fixing" the 120 minutes all-request show seems like a pretty futile
thing to me, even if everyone who reads this list sends a letter
requesting something "good" (as if everyone could decide on that) it
probably still won't be enough "votes" to "see" your "pick." The fucking
thing is probably already fixed by CBS or Warners, and you'll have no
chance of seeing "TV Party" even, I'll bet. Myself, I won't be tuning
in. I did last week for the first time in about a year, and had to
switch over to the nashville network for some swamp buggy racing until
the BAd Brains and Meat Puppets came on. And neither of those were
great. Everything else totally blew.

Got a new(?) Whitehouse 7" yesterday, it's pretty good. The songs are
>from 84 and 85 ("Thank your Lucky Stars" and "Sadist"). I generally
think of Whitehouse as sort of an unintentional comedy band. They really
aren't all that intense or scary (well, a couple of records are), but
mostly funny in a lyrically pathetic sort of way. Oh by the way, it says
"William Bennet has no dick" on the spine of the new Hanatarash album,
that explains a lot. I had heard that Touch and Go was going to put out
the next Whitehouse album, I wonder if that was true. If so, what
happened to the damn thing?

I finally heard the new Mudhoney reocrd, and I thought that it was
pretty good actually. Other groovy new stuff: Nice Strong Arm ep,
Vertigo 7', Sun Ra "Out There a Minute" lp (hey, Bill Hsu already told
you this), John Zorn "Spy vs. Spy" lp, Killdozer "12 Point Buck" lp,
Cosimc Psychos "Go the Hack" lp. If anyone wants reviews of any of
these, let me know. Got no more time right now.

Ralph W. Llama
Class of 1997?


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Legendary Pink Dots discography
Date: 01 Dec 1989 11:23:49 -0600

There's a live Ed Ka-Spel cassette with China Doll in the title,
available from Audiofile tapes and Carl Howard (Mason posted address
awhile ago). Uneven.

I was wondering why his backing tapes are so minimal, until I went
to a concert with a very similar setup (one vocalist singing/ranting
over backing tapes), but with *dense* backing tapes. Apparently it's
not so easy to get a good live mix of voice and electronic tape soup.

Bill


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From: [e-mail] (del Amitri)
Subject: Re:Thirwell
Date: 01 Dec 1989 12:38:14 -0500

ok... so...

is this jandek characters music any good?
yeah ive seen the albums about.  shitloads of em,
but for the life o me i dont know what to expect.

fess up

-del
(bicycle kid... fuck you! - pat fish)


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From: [e-mail] (bill was NICE)
Subject: Re: noolij herts my brane
Date: 01 Dec 1989 09:41:38 PST

um excuse me, how did *I* get involved in this?

  from ray shea
>Better yet, ask him or Laura about waving condoms around the dinner table.

uh HEM, mr shea?????


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From: Craig Gleason <[e-mail]>
Subject: Legendary Pink Dots discography
Date: 01 Dec 1989 10:36:01 MST

> This collection also contains a booklet, which has an "abridged"
> "Dotsography".  Here's what's listed in the discography -- does anyone
> on this list know of any LPD releases that *aren't* listed here?  It's
> hard to be a completist with an incomplete list!
>
I think most of what's not there is the list of songs they've had on
a billion compilations.  I've got them on at least two albums and a tape
that weren't listed, and I've seen quite a few more compilations featuring
them.  They're part of the NWW/C93 inbred English/Belgian band clique that
puts out a compilation every few weeks.  Some of their compilation songs are
really good, though, such as the ones on Devastate to Liberate and Rising
>from the Red Sands, Vol I.  I think the songs on Four in One, vol. II are
mellow and boring.

Craig


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hofmann 5577)
Subject: SQUID MAKES MASS MINDFUCK A REALITY!!!
Date: 01 Dec 1989 13:31:23 -0500


PAGE 10 of Tower Record's PULSE Magazine, December 1989 #78  (Copies available
through MTS, Inc 2500 Del Monte St., Bldg "C", West Sacromento  CA 95691 or
for free at any Tower Record outlet).

"What a Winner!"

Earlier in the year, we awarded the highly coveted PULSE! Doctorate Degree
in General Grooveology to Rev. Dr. Douglas J. Trainor for his winning entry
in the annual Desert Island Cruise Classic.  AFter winning this vigorous
test of musical knowledge, he became Dr. Rev. Dr. Douglas J. Trainor and
proceeded to spend a portion of his $1,000 Tower gift script on the
following:

Attitude:  The ROIR Sessions - Bad Brains (In-Effect/Relatitivity)
Everything Went Black - Black Flag (SST)
Rembrandt Pussyhorse/Cream Corn From the Socket of Davis - Butthole
Surfers (Touch and Go)
The Whitey Album - Ciccone Youth (Enigma/Blast First)
The Pink Opaque - Cocteau Twins (4AD/Relativity)
Stukas Over Disneyland - Dickies (Restless)
Diva - Original Soundtrack (Rykodisc)
Eazy-Duz-It - Eazy-E (Priority)
Freedom Chants - Gyoto Monks. (Rykodisc)
Hooteroll? - Howeard Wales & Jerry Garcia (Rykodisc)
Drum - Hugo Largo (Opal)
Land Speed Record - Hu:sker Du: (SST)
Babel - Klaus Schulze & Andreas Grosser (Virgin)
Muzik for Insomniaks, Vol 1 - Mark Mothersbaugh (Enigma)
Muzik for Insomniaks, Vol 2 - Mark Mothersbaugh (Enigma)
Elvis in the Rheinland - M.D.C. (Destiny)
Huevos - Meat Puppets (SST)
Post-Mersh, Vol 2 - Minutemen (SST)
Dance Nos. 1-5 - Philip Glass (CBS)
It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back - Public Enemy (DefJam/Columbia)
The Uplift Mofo Party Plan - RedHot Chili Peppers (EMI)
Rhythm Killers - Sly and Robbie (Island)
The ZZ Top Sixpack - ZZ Top (Warner Bros)

    Here's a self-penned bio (unedited) from the wacky gooveologiest
    himself:

THE REV. Dr. DOUGLAS J. TRAINOR, PhD, LSD. PuD GG

Doktor Trainor was conceived, born and spent his formidable years in the
chilly state of New Hampshire before heading south for suburban Maryland.
As a teen he produced the short film "Aberrant," which proved to be too
shocking for western audiences.  In 1987 he graduated SUMMA CUM LOUDMOUTH
>from Miskatonic University with a PhD in Computational Theology.  In
1988 he accidently ingested 500 microdobs of 'frop at a Stuckies in North
Carolina which spontaneously and permantly opened his third nostril - two
weeks later he joined the faculty of Miskatonic University as an Adjunct
Assistant Professor of Comparitive Cynisacreligion.  In the fall of 1988
he was made a full Discordian Pope by Robert Anton Wilson.  He sits
on the board of several non-profit corporations, including the Wang
Insititute of Universal Languages and Boston's prestigous Schenectady
Society, and serves as spiritual advisor to The Church of Sublime Squid.
In his spare time, Doktor Trainor enjoys Satantric Yoga, Excremeditation,
Adolphing and GlandScaping(Tm).
~p

There's also a 3x5" picture of The good Doktor in a wide-lapel sports
coat presenting some award to a goofy looking guy.  The caption is:

"The Rev. Dr. Douglas J. Trainor (r) presents the Bob Black Youth
 Acheievement Award to Mr. Pee Pd."


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From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)
Subject: Twitching Tween the Tongas
Date: 01 Dec 1989 10:08:29 PST


Well, found out to my charge card's dismay that the Tower
here in SF on Market has a whole lot of the ROIR cassettes.
Picked up Branca's Symphony No. 1, which sounds pretty great
on headphones cranked up loud.  Especially movement 4, with
a truly amazing interplay between the guitars and the smashing
percussion.  Yay.

Question -- anyone ever heard the ROIR cassette by the Scientific
Americans?  Never seen anything by them before other than the
cut off Ladd-Frith's Objekt No. 3 compilation, which is a great
track.  May have to buy that tape, definitely, if it's as good
as that piece.

Anyone seen "Nothing Short of Total War" on CD for less than $22?
How fucking annoying.  Oh, the new Catalogue magazine has two
Blast First flexis, if anyone cares.


VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
             Cups?  Yes, indeed, and spoons as well!

      Mason Jones, H&A Computer Services, San Francisco, CA
      ...{uunet,sun}!hoptoad!haedx!mason     [phone]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


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From: "Loden,Tom , MIT Lincoln Lab" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Twitching Tween the Tongas
Date: 01 Dec 1989 14:43:34 EST

> From: Christopher John Rapier <[e-mail]>

> Other stuff, damn what was i going to say, yeah about The The. I heard
> all the dates were cancelled and rescheduled, anybody got a clue as to
> the new dates?

Small hint: He (they) was (were) booked for sometime in October at the Orpheum
in Boston. The show is rescheduled for mid February. I don't know if this 4
month lag will be for every show or not (I suppose it is tour path dependent).
The rumor I heard was that his brother died. It's amazing to think that he's
even doing the rest of the tour at all. Quite commendable.

> I also kind of liked the stuff he did on Burning Blue
> Soul and I really don't kinda like the stuff he did on mind bomb. But
> thats just me. Soul Mining was his best effort anyway.

total agreement here.

> Speaking of John, is anyone out there familiar with 76% Uncertain or
> Immoral Discipline?

a triful bit : SU ( or is that 7U or 7PU or 7PCU or ... ) had a small hit a
while back called 'Coffee Acheiver'. Quite the anthem for the 80's

Tom.


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From: Craig Gleason <[e-mail]>
Subject: Escargots and puppy dog tails
Date: 01 Dec 1989 9:57:12 MST

> >Gimme a break.  You like WISEBLOOD.  If there's a self-indulgent,
> >misogynistic, offensive album, -Dirtdish- is it.
>
> I wondered about that when it first came out, but my impression was
> (and has since been supported by further evidence) that it is far from
> taking itself seriously.  It's really just too funny.  Now, NWA could

I agree.  Listen to the backing 'rhythm' on "Stumbo" and tell me WB is
serious.  And if I really believed that "The Fudge Punch" was serious,
I'd probably swear off Foetus forever.  Self indulgent... can't argue
that.

>        Apparently, Keith Levene has a solo album out. If anyone has heard
> this, could they let me know if it's any good.

I saw this at the station last night.  It's on Taang (Gang Green fame), but
I didn't get around to listening and I have no idea who he is.  What style
would it be?

The new Crispin Glover album was there too.  Nice song, "Auto-Manipulator,"
subject matter just what you might expect.  Spoken word/silly rap/occasional
actual singing.  Someone told me an interesting story concerning Glover,
Letterman and karate.  Does anybody have the details on that?

This may have the scent of top ten lists, so if you're sensitive to that
you'll want to begin flaming now:  A friend of mine is putting together
a tape of really offensive music and I'd like some suggestions.  He rates
both on raw offensivity and on offensive density.  A high-ranking example
of the first would be "Jesus Entering From the Rear."  For density, you
can't do better than Tragic Mulatto's "Freddy."  If anybody has suggestions
that would stand in the company of those songs, send 'em to me.  Please
include the album name if possible so I might have a chance of finding it.
Email is good unless you wish to shame yourself publicly.

Craig
"Cheaper than burgers/Sweeter than fries
 The only food I eat/Is a Hostess Fruit Pie!" - Minpastry, son of 93 Hostess 93


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From: Chris Koenigsberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re Bunnydrums
Date: 01 Dec 1989 15:27:47 -0500 (EST)

> Excerpts from internet.new-music: 27-Nov-89 buttered buttocks boing
> Christopher [e-mail] (2544)

> Anybody out there familiar with Bunnydrums? I have
one of the eps (on the Surface) and its pretty neato keen.

If I remember correctly, Bunnydrums was/is a Philadelphia pop band. I
used to live in Philadelphia and after I left there in 1976, some of my
friends playing in local Philly bands (Strictly Limerance, King of Siam,
Club of Rome)  opened up for Bunnydrums during the last 70's and early
80's.


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Berns x26)
Subject: Re:  Boston Bootleg
Date: 01 Dec 1989 11:13:12 EST

> There is a guy who hangs out in Harvard Square by Au Bon Pane with
> a number of bootlegs from the area, you might try cruising the
> area on a Saturday afternoon. Also, try some of the hipper
> record stores: In Your Ear, Recycled Records, etc and ask
> them if they know about the bootleg.

Another good place for boots is Second Coming Records, just outside Harvard
Square on Mass Ave.  Where is Recycled Records?  I've never heard of it.

Speaking of Harvard Square, there's a guy who's been banging away on a small
drum set the last few sundays I've been out there.  It might be too cold now,
but he was *amazing*.  Had swarms of people just bopping like mad all by
himself, cranking away.  Sounded great.  Anybody heard this guy, know anything
about him?

-- Brian

-- Brian


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: The Very Things
Date: 01 Dec 1989 21:09:29 +0000



>oh, I keep asking this but no one ever answers, Does anyone know
>anything about The Everythings? (maybe Theverythings) They have at least
>one album called My Daddy Prunes While the Bushes Scream. They are in
>the electronic, experimental, outtakes sort of vein. Are they that
>unknown or just that bad? Anyone? Come on Mason (not literally) you must
>at least have an idea about these guys.

If you are talking about The Very Things and their song The Bushes Scream
While My Daddy Prunes, I know a whole hog about them. What do you want to
know?


I'm going pruning. Pruning, pruning, pruning..................David.


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From: Ray Davis <convex!connie![e-mail]>
Subject: Re: noolij herts my brane + Sugarcubes in Frankfurt
Date: 01 Dec 1989 15:00:24 N

> Oh, fuck netiquette.  I read this list to get away from all that
> pansy politeness crap.

Just because you think before you post doesn't mean you have to
be polite.  Netiquette is less about politeness than about keeping
any discussion group on track.

> >  There are too many assholes on this list trying to tell everyone else
> >  what they should talk about or not.
>
> Which is exactly what you're doing, too.  Imagine that.  You can use
> the revered "n" key to pass over flames, too, y'know.

True, but my posting will not discourage anyone from posting an
article about music.  Stupid ass flames will discourage a lot
of people from posting anything, and in fact encourage them to
"unsubscribe".  So in the end we have a list full of assholes
and people with asbestos suits, and we miss a lot of possibly
worthwhile and intelligent discussion.  Besides, the n key no
workie with people who post replies to 10 different things in
one piece of mail - you at least have to scan it.

> ray shea (no relation to ray davis, except we both know laura)

Or thought so, once upon a time...

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ok music then!  Saw the Sugarcubes last night at the Frankfurt
Volksbildungsheim.  The keyboard player was sick, but replaced by
some guy.  Sound system did well considering the hardwood ballroom
environment.  They did about half and half from each album.  I think
the new album is boring compared to the old, so while the concert was
enjoyable it felt like the same old stuff.  I won't see them again
unless they get more interesting.

They seem to be lacking creativity, and they seem to feature less
guitar than before, which sucks.  Their final encore was a Russian
song with Bjork playing drums, the drummer singing, drinking Wodka
and high stepping, the fill-in keyboardist playing a snare up front
while Einar held the mike on it.  That's the least I've ever seen
Einar doing - he even kept his mouth shut!  Sounded like a Russian
marching/drinking song.  Bjork doesn't need a haircut.

Ray


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: synclavier summit
Date: 01 Dec 1989 22:27:05 EST

My editor gave me a very interesting disc to review.  It's called
"Popular Science" and it's by Henry Kaiser and Sergei Kuriokhin.
Basically, Kuriokhin is an avant garde keyboard player from
Leningrad and Kaiser invited him into the studio for four days while
he (Sergei) was over in the US.  They had a Synclavier and a guitar
and nothing else.  The result is really quite impressive at times.
Lots of odd noodling about and jamming and stuff.  It's out on
Rykodisc so you shouldn't have any problems finding it.  very hard
to describe - at times it's free jazz and at times it sounds like
Debussy on amphetamines.  Some of it is just Kaiser wailing away
on guitar over some synth comping.  Check it out!  Plus, the liner
notes say that you should always use shuffle play when listening to
it so you never get the same album twice...

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From: Susan Abe <[e-mail]>
Subject: While we're on The The...
Date: 01 Dec 1989 19:43:30 PST



While we're on The The, if anyone knows how/
where to acquire a copy of the 10-hour version
(well, maybe the 10-minute version and some
appropriate time-dilating recreational chemicals)
of "Uncertain Smile", please let soren know all
about it.

[The mini-version is on _Soul_Mining_; there
is also, I seem to remember, a 7-minute version
out there somewhere.]

He's been promising to get it for me for about
four years now, but can never find it.  I know
he'd be glad if he could get off the hook.

Suzii.


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From: [e-mail] (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support)
Subject: Re: Skinistry Puppy
Date: 01 Dec 1989 20:51:15 PST

>Side note: The current Ministry single "Burning Inside" features a
>cover of Skinny Puppy's "Smothered Hope" on the b-side, with Ogre on vocals.

Yeah, and it's fucking horrible too.  A speed metal `Smothered Hope'?  Yecch ...

    - Greg


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From: [e-mail] (Crosley Bendix)
Subject: Dax/Lemon Kittens
Date: 02 Dec 1989 00:16:18 -0800

>Anyone know the name of the band Danielle Dax was in?

Lemon Kittens is the name of the band, and she worked with
some guy, oh shit, I cannot remember, whose last name
was Blake (I am pretty sure).

Good luck trying to find any of the rec's.

-LBN-


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From: Yary Richard Phillip Hluchan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bad dancing
Date: 02 Dec 1989 03:05:30 -0500 (EST)

]Is thisjust FL or does completely unappropriate dancing break out at
] concerts in other places??

I was at a they might be giants concert a year back and a bunch of
teenieboppers started slamming. Very unappropriate. I joined in.

I have not seen anyone dance in Hienz or Wooster hall, even when the
band plays a waltz. Where can one dance with civility these days?

+r=e+
"Leading causes of death in the United States, #15: Nephritis"


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From: Steve Schonberger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Suckdog shocks Seattle
Date: 01 Dec 1989 02:57:09 PST

Last night my brother and I went to two musical shows.  The first was
PDQ Bach (which I'll review briefly, at the end since it doesn't
belong in this list) at the Seattle Center Opera House, and the second
was Lisa Suckdog at the Vogue.  Both were awesome.

Opening for Lisa were Sky Cries Mary and Dickless, who were also both
pretty impressive.  The Vogue was the busiest I'd ever seen it, with a
varied and occasionally somewhat belligerent crowd.  A couple of
fights broke out when people stumbling through the massive crowds
bumped into others and spilled their beers, but no one got hurt and it
could easily have been staged.  We got there part of the way into the
first act, around 10:30.

Sky Cries Mary were sometimes good, sometimes not so good, overall
pretty enjoyable.  Their good stuff was industrial dance music.  It
sounded a lot like Revolting Cocks or Skinny Puppy, and mainly just
like the label "industrial dance music" suggests.  I think there were
six of them, a singer, a guitar, a bass, a drummer, a couple of guys
running drum machines, tape gadgets, a turntable (that they didn't use
while I was there, and other stuff.  (I'm not exactly sure about the
line-up, but that's roughly it.)  They were very percussive, though
not quite as much as you might expect out of a group with a drummer
and several drum machines.  The singer looked kind of Rasta-ish, and
the rest I don't really remember.  They ran had a film projector
pointing at them running films similar to those the Vogue usually runs
on their video projectors, but it was cool having the clarity of film
for the strange pictures instead of fuzzy video.  The music, vocals,
and mixing fit together well, as long as the intent was for the vocals
to be just another instrument.  I didn't understand the lyrics, but I
liked the sound of the vocals a lot and don't care what the lyrics
were like.  That part of their stuff was really good.  They should
have stuck to it, because they also did some "I'm so depressed" type
music.  They sounded like another band playing that stuff.  They laid
off of almost all the percussion, and the guitars sounded different.
The vocals sounded like most groups that play "I'm so depressed I wish
the world would end" music.  The lyrics were understandable but
boring.  Oh well.  Coming in late, I didn't hear a lot of their set,
so I don't know which music style they emphasized.  What I heard of it
was really good, in spite of the boring parts.

Dickless did the best show I've seen them do.  I've told about them
before, and they're still improving.  Before I said a couple of things
about them that weren't right.  One was that they would be boring if
they played longer than 15 minutes or so.  Well, this time they played
a fair part of an hour and were great all the way through.  I also
said they had no lyrics, and that their singer did strictly
non-lyrical screams.  Well, her screams aren't intended to be
intelligible, but there are lyrics hidden under them.  I almost
understood some of the words.  Part of the irony of them is that the
lead screamer looks so nice and innocent that you couldn't imagine
those noises coming from her.  The rest of the band are all good too,
but it's hard to notice them with the lead screamer getting so
intense.  I stood next to someone who turned out to be her roommate
through most of their show, and she corrected me about the presence of
lyrics in the screams, and told me they will be on two compilations in
addition to their Sub-Pop single.  I'm buying the single when it comes
out; if anyone sees them on the compilations let me know.

Lisa Suckdog was of course the main event.  As I walked in she was
sitting at a table near the entrance (but I didn't know it was her
then), selling stuff.  She was friendly, or more accurately, flirty.
The super-cheap $5 cover cleaned me out (I still haven't been to the
bank), which she noticed when I came in, so she didn't try to sell me
stuff.  During the other two shows, she was really loud, and standing
right near where I was (close to the stage, but to the side), and I
asked her about Sky Cries Mary since I still didn't know who she was.
She didn't know much about them either, but thought they were local.
How's that for a lame name-drop?  Anyway, I found out who she was
eventually.  If you are going to the show, and want to save some shock
value for when you see it, skip the next paragraph, since it's
probably a spoiler.

Once Dickless had cleared their stuff off the stage, Lisa's people
started setting up their stuff.  They had a cat-box (to go with their
cat costumes), a bunch of raw chicken legs, lots of beer, some hanging
decorated paper things, a huge strap-on dick, and a sound mixer.  They
consisted of Lisa (a pretty, somewhat short, normal looking woman in
her 20s), another woman (somewhat overweight, also pretty normal
looking), and a man (thin and crazed-looking).  The show started with
the man and the heavy woman coming on stage, telling Lisa to come to
the stage (and get off that boy's lap, etc.), and then starting to
fight, over who got to yell at Lisa, the woman's drinking too much
beer, and other things.  After a while Lisa came on stage, fighting
her way through some people from the front of the crowd who clung to
her legs (and elsewhere).  The man and woman helped drag her up out of
the crowd and on to stage, and restrained some woman who looked a lot
like Lisa from coming onto the stage also.  Then some taped music
started and they started singing to it.  A little was lip-sync, I
think, but I'm sure most was live.  They fought on and off all through
the show, basically so they could rip clothes off of each other
(though the heavy woman kept mostly dressed).  After a while the guy
was down to underwear and Lisa was down to a flesh-tone bikini bottom
and a dress that only covered the bottom when she was standing up
straight.  At that point she pointed out the presence of police in the
place and said since there were police present she couldn't expose
herself.  They still didn't stop pulling her dress off, but she kept
the bottom on and hung on to a strip of gauzy stuff that usually
covered her tits.  The thrashing, beer-splashing, singing, and
fighting went on, and the guy stuffed his underwear with chicken
parts, a microphone, the strap-on, all of which he gyrated around a
lot.  After a while, Lisa put a shirt on, then got out the cat-box.
She pissed into the cat-box so that most people near the front could
see the spray but not much else (judging from previous reviews, I
guess that discretion was for the benefit of the police).  She swished
it around, splashed it on the guy (apparently with a lot of beer mixed
in also, because the mud was very runny), who then splashed more on
himself.  They thrashed around more and wrestled a lot.  The guy was
thoroughly covered with piss-beer-mud, and there were a lot of muddy
spots on the other two.  The guy ran out into the front of the crowd
and thrashed around for a while, where I couldn't see.  Lisa rushed
off stage by the side where my brother and I were, and thrashed around
there, yelling indignantly at those near that side of the stage, and
shoving us around.  She got quite a bit of mud on my brother's coat
and some on mine in that thrash, and then returned to the stage
through the front of the crowd.  They thrashed on for quite a while
longer, and eventually settled down.  She yelled at the mixing people
to shut off the taped music, and then turned it off with the on-stage
mixer when they didn't do it.  Finally she mentioned that she would be
selling stuff by the door and left the others to clear the stage.

On the way out, my brother and I went by the stuff-selling table, and
she remembered that I was out of cash, and had been muddied.  She gave
me a mail-order leaflet and said "write to me!  thanks for letting me
beat on you up there" or some such thing.

The PDQ Bach show was of course very different from the shows at the
Vogue.  If you're not familiar with him, he's like the classical
equivalent of Weird Al Yankovik.  He conducts warped versions of
familiar works, with strange instrumentation, silly words in bizarre
operatic styles, and other weirdness.  He also did a lot of long
introductions to the works by "Johann Sebastian Bach's youngest and
least talented son".  Those introductions were parody's of the
pretensious words that are so common among the people who announce
(usually in something that sounds like it's supposed to be a British
accent) the program notes before classical concerts on the radio.
I'll spare you further details, since a weird classical has nothing to
do with this list other than being weird.

Anyway, it's time for me to sleep.
--
Steve Schonberger    Why should I disclaim anything when I own this site?
[e-mail]


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From: Mark Hessman <[e-mail]>
Subject:      Husker Dudes
Date: 02 Dec 1989 09:59:53 EST

   Quick question :

      Has Grant Hart released his own solo LP yet?  I've heard some
rumors but have yet to find anything (apart from *2541*) in the
record stores.  And how does the album, if it's out, compare to Mould's?

                                                   -- Mark


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From: [e-mail] (M. Macaulay)
Subject: Re: noolij herts my brane
Date: 02 Dec 1989 12:23:28 -0500

ray I have the import version of Underwater Moonlight (one of
the best fucking albums ever) if you want me to tape it for
you i would do that.

MM
disinfectant is all that I drink


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From: [e-mail] (M. Macaulay)
Subject: Re:  Buzzcocks
Date: 02 Dec 1989 12:25:46 -0500

mike, be sure to let us know if the brown shoes work their
usual magic.

Love, dr. c.j.


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: TheThe. dax question
Date: 02 Dec 1989 10:26:36 EST

>Anyone know the name of the band Danielle Dax was in?

The Lemon Kittens.  Records on (I believe) Cherry Red.  Practically
impossible to find.

/j/


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  2-D Canine Feces
Date: 02 Dec 1989 10:24:21 EST

Personally, I think the Jougensen cross-pollenation works in a few
places.  The guitar crunch in the middle of "Rodent" is ok, since it's
only about 20 seconds out of a 5 minute song, and it provides some
nice contrast.  "Hexonxonx" isn't so bad either.  "Fascist Jock Itch"
sucks incredibly.  "Tin OMen" is actually rather catchy, and the parts
where it turns into speedmetal are, again, not that bad because they're
only for a few seconds and they break up the monotonous droning.

It's truly an indication of how different our tastes are that you
like "Spahn Dirge."  I find it practically unlistenable and totally
without redeeming social merit.

/j/


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Legendary Pink Dots discography
Date: 02 Dec 1989 10:31:01 EST

I only own the Tear Garden disc, and one track by LPD on a compilation
(the song is called "Day at the Dreamies.").  I kinda like it.  What
LPD records are closest in sound to The Tear Garden?  I'd like to check
it out.  And one question: "Day at the Dreamies" sounds like it was
recorded on a $20 walkman.  Why?
(Please, don't say "because it _was_ recorded on a $20 walkman."  Unless
of course that's the truth...)

/j/


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From: [e-mail] (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support)
Subject: Sanity assassin
Date: 02 Dec 1989 11:43:19 PST

>But "Spahn Dirge (live)," which I assume is the CD's extra cut,
>is a 16-minute noisy flail, which may be the best thing they've done
>since, well, a long time ago.  Sounded like an 80's psychedelic jam
>should sound like.  Cool shit.

Well, I'd been questioning Mason's sanity ever since he admitted actually liking
Crappy Flowers, but now he's claiming that this aimless, formless meandering
Butthole Zeppelin `jam' is the `best thing Skinny Puppy's done since, well, a
long time ago'?  Now I know he's lost his mind.

(This is all the more funny since he'd just gotten through saying that he
 disliked the Al-produced stuff the most, when this `jam' clearly has the most
 Al involvement and influence of all.  Go figure.)

    - Greg


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: While we're on The The...
Date: 02 Dec 1989 18:02 MST

>While we're on The The, if anyone knows how/
>where to acquire a copy of the 10-hour version
>(well, maybe the 10-minute version and some
>appropriate time-dilating recreational chemicals)
>of "Uncertain Smile", please let soren know all
>about it.

A point of clarification.  Suzii is refering to the original 10 minute
12"  It is an entirely different recording from the one on *Soul Mining*.
This version has a flute solo whereas the album version has a keyboard
solo.  It came out on Sire in the US, and I think Some Bizzare in the UK.

The 7 min version she referred to is an edited version of the 10 min
version which Sire serviced to radio stations (like KRRC Portland, the
only place I've ever seen it in my life).

And yes, I've been looking for a copy for years.

soren


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From: Christopher John Rapier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The Very Things
Date: 02 Dec 1989 21:19:55 -0500 (EST)


>If you are talking about The Very Things and their song The Bushes Scream
>While My Daddy Prunes, I know a whole hog about them. What do you want to
>know?
>-dajman

Yes I am, Its difficult to be infromed when you are listening to a 3rd
generation copy and there is nothing written anywhere on it (I know
which one it is by the peanutbutter)

So tell me what you know..........
christos del fudd


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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: query: The Nails
Date: 02 Dec 1989 22:50:30 CST

Heard a fun mershy song (let's not get into the semantics & spelling of mershy
again) by The Nails where the vocalist drones on and on about the 40+ girls
he's known.  Which album, and is the rest of it "good"?

--John


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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: Soundgarden @ _The_ Venue, Dallas Texas & >other stuff<
Date: 02 Dec 1989 22:48:52 CST


Soundgarden came, saw, and conquered for about 20 minutes, then got very
repetitious and plodding.  Late in set they did an excellent (but still
plodding) cover of Beetles' "Come Together".  It's your call.
---
Saturday Night Live just used the word "sucked" about 40 times in one skit.
Prediction--the shit will hit the fan.
---
Godflesh "Streetcleaner" CD --yow! what a disc.

Galaxy 500 CD--lamest psychedelic pop crap I've heard ever.

Opal "Early Recording Sessions" CD--pretty lame

Eleventh Day Dream CD--uh, still trying to decide.
---
If The the ever do a greatest hits album, it's got to be called The The the.


--John


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From: [e-mail] (Toor the Tintinabulous)
Subject: Re: Misc junk
Date: 03 Dec 1989 0:35:54 PST

>  I've just watched a 8 hr tape of Japaneese TV, and will post
>  something about it if anybodys interesting

i'm interesting.  please post.

-mykle-


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From: [e-mail] (Toor the Tintinabulous)
Subject: report from the semi-commercial zone
Date: 03 Dec 1989 0:09:00 PST

well, i bought a record by a *big name band* who do *hit singles*, and
i have to admit, it's great:

    psychedelic furs: book of days

if you used to like the furs but got disgusted when they went fluffy,
buy this record.  there's practicaly no keyboards, all guitars, and they
brought back their old drummer, vince ely, without whom the last two
records sucked.  maybe they'll go back to being a 6-piece on the next
record.

(now, i know that guitar bands are the big thing happening in england
right now, and i know *they* know it, so maybe they're trying to cash
in on it.  oh well, so they're not art martyrs.  this album is fantastic!
the first song, "shine" in in 3/4 time, which is a blast to dance to.
the whole thing is full of boiling guitar and bass distortion, and vince
ely is king of moody drum noises.  the lyrics are really mysterious and
not fruity like the last album, heartbreak soup or whatever it was called.
really cool tracks are "shine", "mother-son", "entertain me", others whose
titles i forget)

i never thought a once-good-now-shitty band could actually reform themselves
like this.  it gives me new faith.  thank god somebody rejected midi.
        ------------    ------------    ------------
i picked up a copy of a british (i think) mag caled "the catalogue".  real
imaginitive name, eh?  i got it 'cause it had three flexis in it, six songs
total, so it was basicaly an e.p. for four bucks, with stuff to read to
boot!  the flexis were mostly disappointing, except for a mekons song which
i already had heard.  but the cover story of this thing is a sort of eulogy
for blast first records.  they interview the head of the label about why
sonic youth left them and other pitfals that have pretty much doomed the
label.  they interviewer states in the beginning of the thing that he
used to work for blast first but quit because he couldn't deal with the
personality of the person he's interviewing.  and yet, the guy seems pretty
reasonable, and has a lot to say about the independent label scene and
why he sees it sort of on its way out.  sorry i can't remember any of these
people's names but why not go buy the thing?  or at least read it in the
store.
        -----    ----    -----    -----    -----    -----
condoms?  huh?  how did my good name get dragged into all this?  i knew
i shouldn't ever enter a bar with a forty foor wonder woman in it.  durn
feminists.

-mykle-


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: While we're on The The...
Date: 03 Dec 1989 10:39:11 EST


Main Street Records in Northampton had it a while ago in their
"rarities" bin but my friend Joe copped it for something like
$10 or maybe a little more.  Fortunately, he let me tape it.
Don't knock yourself out trying to find it - it isn't THAT
great.  I suppose if you're really dying I could make a tape
of it for you.  Contact me.

+---------------------- Is there any ESCAPE from NOISE? ----------------------+
|  |   |\       | [e-mail] | "To serve God, you gotta be stupid and  |
| \|on |/rukman | [e-mail]  |  freakish and poor."  -- ??             |
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From: [e-mail] (M. Macaulay)
Subject: Re:  Soundgarden @ _The_ Venue, Dallas Texas & >other stuff<
Date: 03 Dec 1989 13:56:50 -0500

other stuff:
yeah and they (Sat NIght Live) even said "sucks donkeys"!
It was a pretty good SNL, I thought.  haven't watched
it in months...


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From: Todd Keenan Bowman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Bill Leeb / FLA, Delerium, Noise Unit
Date: 03 Dec 1989 14:45:27 -0500 (EST)


First I heard Bill Leeb and Michael Balch in Front Line Assembly.  I
liked their earlier work a lot until they went disco on their last
album...

Then I heard Bill Leeb and Rhys Youth Fulber in Delerium.  A return to
the roots of Front Line Assembly - ambient,  haunting songs with
powerful rhythms...

Now I saw another project by Bill Leeb and some other guy called NOISE
UNIT.  I think it was on Antler.  Has anyone heard of this or know
anything about it???  There was a two song EP with no name and an eight
song LP called "Grinding into Emptiness"

Thanks in advance,

Todd Bowman


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From: [e-mail] (S Alan EZUST)
Subject: Re: While we're on The The...
Date: 03 Dec 1989 15:37:31 EST

[In message "Re: While we're on The The..." on Dec  2, [e-mail] writes:]
:
: >While we're on The The, if anyone knows how/
: >where to acquire a copy of the 10-hour version
: >(well, maybe the 10-minute version and some
: >appropriate time-dilating recreational chemicals)
: >of "Uncertain Smile", please let soren know all
: >about it.
:
: A point of clarification.  Suzii is refering to the original 10 minute
: 12"  It is an entirely different recording from the one on *Soul Mining*.
: This version has a flute solo whereas the album version has a keyboard
: solo.  It came out on Sire in the US, and I think Some Bizzare in the UK.
:
More points of clarification.
The 10 minute version of Uncertain Smile, which predates Soul Mining,
is on the BACK side of the 12" single of Perfect, out on Epic Records.
I just played it on my radio show this morning.. It's okay, but I like
tthe one on SOul Mining better.. It sounds cleaner; more professional,
and Matt Johnson's voice sounds better too. Altough I am quite fond of
the wind instruments in the old version...


--
 S. Alan Ezust           Depeche MoDem        [e-mail]
     "Why is it, that anything on this Earth we do not understand,
         We are pushed onto our knees to worship or to damn?"


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From: paul d geiser <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sucked
Date: 04 Dec 1989 10:37:20 EST


John Hogge:
>Saturday Night Live just used the word "sucked" about 40 times in one skit.
>Prediction--the shit will hit the fan.

Obviously you missed the episode where they said penis about 40 times in one
skit.  Matthew Broderick hosted and they were at a nude beach and he and some
other guys stood around complementing each other on their penis.  "hey, nice
penis" "isn't that penis kind of small" ...

                Dan <[e-mail]>


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From: [e-mail] ([Don House-Austin])
Subject: The Nails/Soundgarden/Syd Straw
Date: 04 Dec 1989 09:40:04 CST


>Heard a fun mershy song (let's not get into the semantics & spelling of mershy
>again) by The Nails where the vocalist drones on and on about the 40+ girls
>he's known.  Which album, and is the rest of it "good"?    --John

    The songs called "88 Lines About 44 Women" and is on the album
   Mood Music.  There is also a cover of Roger Miller's "Let It All Hang Out"
   on the album.  I've been looking for the album for a long time.  I was told    it is out of print.  If anyone knows differently I would like to know.

______________________________________________________________________________

>Soundgarden came, saw, and conquered for about 20 minutes, then got very
>repetitious and plodding.  Late in set they did an excellent (but still
>plodding) cover of Beetles' "Come Together".  It's your call.

I saw Soundgarden in Austin and pretty much came to the same conclusion.
Beside covering the Beatles, they also played a small part of The Guess Who's
American Woman and even played the beginning music part of Cheech & Chongs
Ear Ache My Eye.

_______________________________________________________________________________

    I also got to see Syd Straw last night and she put on an excellent
   show.  Her band was really tight and included J.D. Bonebrake on drums          and Dave Alvin on guitar (the man really shreds).

    Syd Straw sings with such feeling and played a variety of music.
   She did covers of X(of course), John Prine, George Jones, Aretha Franklin
   The Db's and even Stephen Foster.  I think she did a couple of her own songs
   too. :^)  So anyway if she comes through town check her out, she's worth it.


                    Support live music!   dhouse




Ear Ache My Eye.


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From: Andrew Hudson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Boston Bootleg
Date: 04 Dec 1989 10:15:39 EST

>> There is a guy who hangs out in Harvard Square by Au Bon Pane with
>> a number of bootlegs from the area, you might try cruising the
>> area on a Saturday afternoon. Also, try some of the hipper
>> record stores: In Your Ear, Recycled Records, etc and ask
>> them if they know about the bootleg.
>
>Another good place for boots is Second Coming Records, just outside Harvard
>Square on Mass Ave.  Where is Recycled Records?  I've never heard of it.
>
It's on a cross street to JFK. It's one block towards Central Square
>from Grendel's. Not a big selection other than lot's of bootlegs.

>Speaking of Harvard Square, there's a guy who's been banging away on a small
>drum set the last few sundays I've been out there.  It might be too cold now,
>but he was *amazing*.  Had swarms of people just bopping like mad all by
>himself, cranking away.  Sounded great.  Anybody heard this guy, know anything
>about him?
>
Is this the guy who plays across from the yuppie pizza place by
the 'T' exit? This guy puts POWER into that drum action and plays
for fucking hours!

>-- Brian

- Andrew


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From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)
Subject: Holy Jumpin' Suphis!
Date: 04 Dec 1989 10:22:03 PST


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From: Christopher John Rapier <hoptoad!andrew.cmu.edu!cr10+>
Subject: Holy Jumpin' Suphis!
Date: 04 Dec 1989 10:22:03 PST

>Thanks for the Foetus stuff. Mason and foetus fans might want to give
>listen to Spit. I'm not sure if you can get his label out there (Its
>Delaware based) but he's got Foetus on the brainpan. As long as were on
>the subject of foetus does anybody have any idea if he's going to be
>touring or is available to do tours? Maybe we could get him out to pgh
>for a show or two.

Yeah, I've got a bunch of Spit stuff, some of which is good, some of
which is awful.  The new album is pretty iffy.  I reviewed it in
the newest _File 13_, but the gist was that the music's great, and
the lyrics kind of make it unlistenable.  Too stupid...

No, Foetus doesn't have any tours in the works that I know of, but
he may be coming out this way in a little bit on a visit.  But hey,
we can always hope that he'll do a tour soon.

>A friend of mine (john) mentioned something that seems well nigh
>impossible. He said that he heard that Bauhaus was reforming and going
>on tour in January. Okay, this seems a little doubtful but he swears its
>true.

Actually, the rumor is heard is that Murphy is going to do a Bauhaus
tour without the others, just performing all Bauhaus songs.  I can
hardly think of anything more pitiful.

Speaking of John, is anyone out there familiar with 76% Uncertain or
Immoral Discipline? Was there ever a guy named John O'Chaunessy in
either one of them at any time? Just curious....

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From: Patrick J. Waara <hoptoad!Xerox.COM!Waara.wbst>
Subject: Holy Jumpin' Suphis!
Date: 04 Dec 1989 10:22:03 PST

>Well, it looks like I might be in Mountain View, CA from 12/11 to 12/15.
>Knowing nothing about CA in general, are there any places to shop for
>music, or see shows, or anything else of general interest in the area?
>Does anyone on this list live around there, and if so, do feel like getting
>together and doing something?  (My evenings should be relatively free.)

Bunches live near there.  You've got my work phone, if San Fran is
close enough for ya.  Others can fill you in on stuff in South Bay.

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From: Yary Richard Phillip Hluchan <hoptoad!andrew.cmu.edu!yh0a+>
Subject: Holy Jumpin' Suphis!
Date: 04 Dec 1989 10:22:03 PST

>Anyone know the name of the band Danielle Dax was in?

Lemon Kittens, with Karl Blake of Shock-Headed Peters.  I can't
remember the name of the album, but it was tolerable.  Kind of on
the purposely artsy and random-sounding side.  I could probably
make you a tape of it if you like.

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From: Craig Gleason <hoptoad!RELAY.CS.NET!cag%hpescag.hp.com>
Subject: Holy Jumpin' Suphis!
Date: 04 Dec 1989 10:22:03 PST

>"Cheaper than burgers/Sweeter than fries
> The only food I eat/Is a Hostess Fruit Pie!" - Minpastry, son of 93 Hostess 93

Do it, Craig, do it.  For the next tape.  I love it.

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From: Jon Drukman <hoptoad!GAFFA.MIT.EDU!jsd>
Subject: Holy Jumpin' Suphis!
Date: 04 Dec 1989 10:22:03 PST

>I only own the Tear Garden disc, and one track by LPD on a compilation
>(the song is called "Day at the Dreamies.").  I kinda like it.  What
>LPD records are closest in sound to The Tear Garden?  I'd like to check
>it out.

Of the material I've heard, absolutely none of it sounds like Tear
Garden.  Not nearly that good.  But that's just my opinion, of course...

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From: hoptoad!poseur.jpl.nasa.gov!earle (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support)
Subject: Holy Jumpin' Suphis!
Date: 04 Dec 1989 10:22:03 PST

>>But "Spahn Dirge (live)," which I assume is the CD's extra cut,
>>is a 16-minute noisy flail, which may be the best thing they've done
>>since, well, a long time ago.  Sounded like an 80's psychedelic jam
>>should sound like.  Cool shit.
>
>Well, I'd been questioning Mason's sanity ever since he admitted actually liking
>Crappy Flowers, but now he's claiming that this aimless, formless meandering
>Butthole Zeppelin `jam' is the `best thing Skinny Puppy's done since, well, a
>long time ago'?  Now I know he's lost his mind.
>
>(This is all the more funny since he'd just gotten through saying that he
> disliked the Al-produced stuff the most, when this `jam' clearly has the most
> Al involvement and influence of all.  Go figure.)

Oh, I don't find that it has much Al influence at all.  It doesn't sound
the least bit like bad speed metal gone wrong, for six minutes without
doing anything new.  It sounds like a lot of meandering feedback and
flailing, with a very dense sound and a lot going on.  Quite a big difference,
to me.  It wasn't produced by Al, and it shows very little of his
influence, beyond perhaps his presence on guitar.  And I *like* guitar.
I just don't like unimaginative, mind-numbingly repetitive and boring
speed metal licks on a Skinistry album.

And of course I like Happy Flowers.  I don't really understand how
someone could *not* like them, unless you have something against
feedback (which is quite understandable).  I happen to like feedback
a lot, I like noise, I like screaming, and I like juvenile attitudes
as well.  Put it all together and you get what may be America's single
best and most enjoyable noise group.


VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
               Hiccups...damn.  This may be it.

      Mason Jones, H&A Computer Services, San Francisco, CA
      ...{uunet,sun}!hoptoad!haedx!mason     [phone]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


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From: sco![e-mail]
Subject: Re:Thirwell
Date: 04 Dec 1989 10:22:03 PST

    From: ucscc!ab.ecn.purdue.edu!del (del Amitri)

    ok... so...

    is this jandek characters music any good?
    yeah ive seen the albums about.  shitloads of em,
    but for the life o me i dont know what to expect.

He's always struck me as one of those primitivist types (or, to borrow a
term from painting, a naive musician).   If you don't like Happy Flowers,
Half Japanese, et al you almost certainly won't like Jandek.  Even if
you do like the above, you might not; I've never thought him nearly as
inspired as, say, Half Jap.  For one thing, Jandek's never covered any
Roky Erickson songs, as far as I know, which puts him one notch behind
Jad and company.  For more details on the Jad/Roky connection, check out
"I Met Roky Erickson" on the new Daniel Johnston/Jad Fair album.

-- Stewart


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From: sco![e-mail]
Subject: Dax/Lemon Kittens
Date: 04 Dec 1989 10:22:03 PST

    From: ucscc!csufres.CSUFresno.EDU!larryn (Crosley Bendix)

    >Anyone know the name of the band Danielle Dax was in?

    Lemon Kittens is the name of the band, and she worked with
    some guy, oh shit, I cannot remember, whose last name
    was Blake (I am pretty sure).

Karl Blake, more recently recording under the name of the Shock Headed Peters.

    Good luck trying to find any of the rec's.

Oh, I just found both their albums at a record swap this weekend.
Unfortunately, they were selling for $60 and $70 respectively, which
is way more than I was willing to pay...I wasn't even willing to shell
out $20 bucks for "Crossing the Red Sea with the Adverts", which I've
been looking for for ages.

-- Stewart


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From: [e-mail] (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support)
Subject: Various shit
Date: 04 Dec 1989 14:25:12 PST

(Assuming anyone still buys RECORDS anymore, or do you spend all your
 money going to clubs and posing in your brown shoes?)

Any opinions on this new shit (OK, almost all of it is new shit):
(1) Sleeping Dogs Wake - Understanding (Kinda like Hugo Largo meets Ministry)
(2) Union Carbide Productions - Financially Dissatisfied Philosophically Trying
(3) Sky Cries Mary - Until The Grinders Cease (from WA - Steve Schoenberger?)
(4) Ice T - The Iceberg/Freedom of Speech...Just Watch What You Say
(5) The Creatures - Boomerang
(6) Nocturnal Emissions - Stoneface
(7) Muslimgauze - Uzi
(8) Cat Rapes Dog - Maximum Overdrive
(9) Front Line Assembly - Live ("Limited Edition of 4000" - Yeah. Sure.)


Album Title Of The Week:

    Poison Idea - `Record Collectors are Pretentious Assholes'

    - Greg


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From: gatech!sunpeaks!cadnetix.COM![e-mail] (Bill Oakley)
Subject: Re:  query: The Nails
Date: 04 Dec 1989 17:06:12 MST

>Heard a fun mershy song (let's not get into the semantics & spelling of mershy
>again) by The Nails where the vocalist drones on and on about the 40+ girls
>he's known.  Which album, and is the rest of it "good"?

The song is "88 Lines About 44 Women" by the Nails.  The Nails were
originally from Boulder, where they were know as the Ravers, before they
moved to New York and changed their name.  "88 Lines..." is on the album
_Mood Swing_, which is quite good.  "88 Lines..." is also on the _Hotel
For Women_ EP, and on a single.  The Nails released one other album that
I'm aware of, _Dangerous Dreams_.  I don't like it as much as _Mood Swing_,
but it's still pretty good.  One song on _Dangerous Dreams, "Things You Left
Behind", is reminiscent of "88 Lines...".  I think that all of their stuff
was released in the early '80s, and is now out of print.  If you'd like more
info, I'll see what I can dig up.  Also, I've got all of the above on vinyl
or tape, if you (or anyone else) would like a copy let me know.

Bill Oakley

[e-mail]
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From: Tim Wicinski <gatech!sgi.com!zamna![e-mail]>
Subject: Re: noolij herts my brane + Sugarcubes in Frankfurt
Date: 04 Dec 1989 18:12:50 PST

YAAAWNNN...

You fucking third rate losers in leather shitting around whining about
who is more "polite" than the next and why "you better follow the rules"
snivvelling like third graders...

    Just because you think before you post doesn't mean you have to
    be polite.  Netiquette is less about politeness than about keeping
    any discussion group on track.

netiquette is about how a bunch of nerdlings who either never get laid,
or have their wifes leave them for lesbian lovers 'cause theyy're so
dull, want us to do. "Follow our rules" they snivvel, "for we are so
worthless and dull to do anything else but be netties, we must be
right." Proof: Chuq von Puke(the only good thing sun has done in 5 years
is make sure that guy got a job at apple...).

    True, but my posting will not discourage anyone from posting an
    article about music.  Stupid ass flames will discourage a lot
    of people from posting anything, and in fact encourage them to
    "unsubscribe".  So in the end we have a list full of assholes
    and people with asbestos suits, and we miss a lot of possibly
    worthwhile and intelligent discussion.  Besides, the n key no
    workie with people who post replies to 10 different things in
    one piece of mail - you at least have to scan it.

once again, the ignorance shows. if the person has got the BALLS to
withstand any amount of flameage and still be hard enough to fuck cats
then they deserve our dying adoration(ray shea of course fits that bill
- but bring yer condom!). otherwise, there boring pissants who
tend to drone on incessively about "art and it's implications" and not
about what it's really about - drinking and fucking. every other attempt
to describe it is worthless.

my kitty awaits....


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Kan)
Subject: a show review nobody will care about
Date: 04 Dec 1989 23:41:41 -0800


So I went to see "Steve Reich and Musicians" Saturday.  And it was great.

Here's what they did:

Drumming - Part One

Great, great, great.  3 balding, middle-aged, grey-bearded white guys with
tortoise-shell glasses (+ Steve) beating out intense tribal rhythms on little
drums.  Definitely enough dense, repetitive percussion to please Mason.

Electric Counterpoint

Basically a whole bunch of overdubbed guitars on tape, with one live guitarist
(written for Pat Metheny).  Didn't do anything for me, but Doug Trainor liked
it, so what do I know.

Sextet

This was an example of what I consider to be typical Steve Reich, something
which never really interested me -- lots of marimbas, vibraphones, repetition,
etc.  But seeing it performed made a big difference, and I can't really explain
why I enjoyed it so much beyond that.  High point: one of the aforementioned
middle-aged white guys extinguishing the gong with his butt.

Different Trains

A string quartet piece where the melodic line follows the intonation patterns
of various human speech samples (who did this first?).  But a really good one.
Complete with train noises, actual and string-instrument simulated.

Note:  we saw David Bowie smoking outside during the intermission.  He's
really short.

Conclusion:  if Steve and pals come to your town, skip Soundgarden and go see
him instead.  Then call up your mom and tell her all about how cultured you're
becoming.  She'll like that.


Other news:  great records I found used last week:  Magazine "Real Life",
Einsturzende Neubauten "Kollaps", Young Marble Giants "Colossal Youth", Pere
Ubu "The Modern Dance", Captain Beefheart "Doc at the Radar Station".

retro retro retro

Jim


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From: Yary Richard Phillip Hluchan <[e-mail]>
Subject: the the tape
Date: 05 Dec 1989 03:17:17 -0500 (EST)

The cassette of "Soul Mining" had a number of extra tracks, one of which
("Perfect") shows up on the CD. Others are being put on b-sides of
recent singles. Can someone who owns the cassette post a complete track
listing? And more importantly, can I get a tape of them?


EEx frIl zzuk muygwanah koop farazni d.


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From: Niels P. Mayer <[e-mail]>
Subject: from trainor's disk selection: Post-Mersh, Vol 2 - Minutemen (SST)
Date: 05 Dec 1989 01:35:25 PST


Herr Professor Doktor Trainor, congrat-ululations! So tell me is that CD
a compilation of minutemen material?

-- Niels "yuppies rule ok" Mayer.

PS: concerts o' the week
    tues -- smokin' rhythm prawns + firehose....
        (i recently met the prawns, they're cool dudes...)
    wed -- ahmad jamaal
    thurs -- meat puppets

PPS: new CD o' the week "On-U Sound Celebration" -- german import of
delicious dub stylee, mon.


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From: Allyn Hardyck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Adverts + etc.
Date: 05 Dec 1989 02:21:06 PST

Anyone who is selling _Crossing the Red Sea with..._ for $20 is a
complete ripoff artist (unless it's an original) - it was reissued in
the UK in 1988, I got a copy at (some nifty rec store in Evanston Bill
recommended) for about $8 last year.

I've been to 455's Abject video night (so-so except for 15yr. old from
Marin's entry + cheerleader booster video / Rob Lowe motel video collage)
Suckdog, Buzzcocks and Negativland in the recent past but have not been
feeling terribly urged to post due to priority of finding job and settling
down.  But things may come up soon so hopefully I will be contributing more.

I finally figured out how to get Jef Poskanzer's tiff conversion program
to understand what this scanner here produces, so I will soon be
sending some X bitmaps down the pike I've had waiting for a bit
(Foetus, Branca, Zorn, SY, Mark Smith) if anyone's interested.  If
anyone wants something scanned too, something could be arranged.

allyn


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From: Niels P. Mayer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Suckdog shocks Seattle
Date: 05 Dec 1989 02:15:27 PST

Yeah, I saw Suckdog for free at 455 (KZSU comps) and i still didn't like it.

> She was friendly, or more accurately, flirty.

Indeed.

> During the other two shows, she was really loud, and standing
> right near where I was (close to the stage, but to the side), and I
> asked her about Sky Cries Mary since I still didn't know who she was.
> She didn't know much about them either, but thought they were local.
> How's that for a lame name-drop?

Not half as lame as the following:

During the kitty litter piss "scene", they were heading towards the
audience with the kitty litter box a-sloshin. Now, piss I love, but my
girlfriend don't so I pulled her out of the way just in the nick-o-time as
the piss-litter combo splooged on the chair where she had been sitting.
Then we retreated to areas safe from urine and defecation.... a minute
later, when I was thinking about how to get the fuck out of that place, she
comes a runnin' into me all nekkid piss-coverd and airything totin' this
little box that said "car." SHe said she saw me running away and was there
to run me over (got it? "car" "run over") as she slammed me into the wall.
I should've tweaked her nipples and said "next time, turn on your
headlights" but I muttered something useless and smiled in a dorky and
embarassed fashion instead. I'm no performance autist.

Later, when it ended, I was the first at the door, which was locked and
unopenable.... she saw us at the door and started screaming at us not to
leave... we finally got the door open and she nearly followed us nekkid
into the streets. I was kinda hoping for the latter but she hadn't drunk
enough beer.

Suckdog's future -- She should take her show on the road and appear at
college fraternity initiation rites....

All in all, it was an experience nearing the levels of fun found in
masturbating with a Hoover Vibrabeat vacuum cleaner. I probably shoulda
spent the night in Noe valley watching "The Last Temptation of Christ"
while stitching my scrotum around my pet hamster's neck with barbed wire.

But then again, it had been a really bad day so maybe i was just in a bad
mood.

-- Niels "lifestyles of the living dead" Mayer.


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From: [e-mail]  (Gil Pilz@Eng@Banyan)
Subject: Wicinski, boring unimaginative git or just a git ?
Date: 05 Dec 1989 10:11:36 EST

Wicinski you're not only an asshole, you're a _stupid_ asshole. Can't
you do _anything_ right ?

- gil


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Ut
Date: 05 Dec 1989 15:18:30 EST


I hear some intriguing things about this band's latest album,
"griller," on Blast First (from the Washington, D.C., City Paper).
BUT, I also hear that it's not going to be available in the U.S.  So,
has anyone been fortunate (?) enough to get his or her hands on it?
If so, would you please get in touch with me?


Thanks,
Robert


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From: Susan Abe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  query: The Nails
Date: 05 Dec 1989 14:17:00 PST

Seems like when I acquired my copy of _Mood Swing_ there was
another album, also with 88 Lines, with the same total music
length, and I wound up picking with my eyes shut. (Tower Records,
June, 1985)  Does this sound right?

Anyway, _Mood_Swing_ is very, very good, much better than _Dangerous_
Dreams_.  However, if you just like 88 Lines, you might do well to
get the single of "Things you left behind" and skip either album.

The band does 2 list-songs, they're the most boring songs on either
album.  The band has 2 major airplay tunes...

Yeah, right.

Suzii.


Oh, God of Hell, I said I love the suit
That the devil gave me to wear to Beirut
Where the whores are dancing on the table tops
And the juke box plays

Apocalyptic bebop.

    --Home of the Brave, Nails


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From: Susan Abe <[e-mail]>
Subject: Imagine this scenario:
Date: 05 Dec 1989 14:27:17 PST


So you're lying on your bed, reading Nietzsche (for
entertainment, you're one of *that* sort) and blasting
King Crimson.  Gradually, another sound penetrates
your consciousness.  You realize that the sound is
coming from your next-door-neighbor Suzii's room, and
when you turn down the King Crimson to hear it better
you realize that Suzii must be in one of her industrial-
dance-music-moods.

Listening further, you decide that it's pretty damn good
stuff, and you stand up and start to dance to it.  It
seems fantastically danceable, but you realize that you've
never heard it before.  You wonder if Psychic TV have an
album out that you've never heard about.

You decide that you might as well put on some clothes and
*ask* Suzii what it's all about.  You knock on the door;
it opens.  Suzii is not there, and the electricians who've
been drilling holes in her wall don't know where she is.

True story.

So tell me, now, just what *is* the accomplishment of this
art form of ours, and instead of shelling out bucks for
recordings/equipment, should we have been getting paid
to do construction work?

S.


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From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)
Subject: Pete's Sake For
Date: 05 Dec 1989 11:16:07 PST


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From: Todd Keenan Bowman <hoptoad!andrew.cmu.edu!tb0o+>
Subject: Pete's Sake For
Date: 05 Dec 1989 11:16:07 PST

>Now I saw another project by Bill Leeb and some other guy called NOISE
>UNIT.  I think it was on Antler.  Has anyone heard of this or know
>anything about it???  There was a two song EP with no name and an eight
>song LP called "Grinding into Emptiness"

The other guy is from The Klinik, on Antler.  Supposedly it's pretty
good.  I have my doubts.

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From: hoptoad!Central.Sun.COM!Don.House ([Don House-Austin])
Subject: Pete's Sake For
Date: 05 Dec 1989 11:16:07 PST

>>Heard a fun mershy song (let's not get into the semantics & spelling of mershy
>>again) by The Nails where the vocalist drones on and on about the 40+ girls
>>he's known.  Which album, and is the rest of it "good"?    --John
>
>    The songs called "88 Lines About 44 Women" and is on the album
>   Mood Music.  There is also a cover of Roger Miller's "Let It All Hang Out"
         ^^^^^
That's actually "Mood Swing."  An old album.  Apparently not easy to find.

>    I also got to see Syd Straw last night and she put on an excellent
>   show.  Her band was really tight and included J.D. Bonebrake on drums

That's D.J. Bonebrake.


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      Mason Jones, H&A Computer Services, San Francisco, CA
      ...{uunet,sun}!hoptoad!haedx!mason     [phone]
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From: [e-mail] (hes a teen idol and hes my beau)
Subject: usual stuff from me
Date: 05 Dec 1989 16:53:42 PST


okay, i have 2 really dumb questions, (i'm just full of them today...)

1) a long time ago, someone on this list said he knew someone in the beastie
boys.  who are you and are you still out there?

2) also a while back, someone posted something about river phoenix's band
aleka's attic.  i THOUGHT it was michael murphy in maine, but i was wrong.
who are YOU?

if you can answer these questions, email me.

thanks!  this is critical!

laura


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From: [e-mail] (S Alan EZUST)
Subject: Re: Legendary Pink Dots discography
Date: 02 Dec 1989 11:37:37 EST

[In message "Legendary Pink Dots discography" on Dec  1, Craig Gleason writes:]
:

: I think most of what's not there is the list of songs they've had on
: a billion compilations.  I've got them on at least two albums and a tape
: that weren't listed, and I've seen quite a few more compilations featuring
: them.  They're part of the NWW/C93 inbred English/Belgian band clique that
: puts out a compilation every few weeks.  Some of their compilation songs are
: really good, though, such as the ones on Devastate to Liberate and Rising
: from the Red Sands, Vol I.  I think the songs on Four in One, vol. II are
: mellow and boring.

So are you saying that there are songs which haven't been released on any
of the albums in the discography which are put into compilation albums
with other stuff they've done? That's weird. Do they have a compilation
of just compilation songs but nothing from their other albums?

Also, could someone tell me what "Greetings 9" is like... I want to know
if I should special-order it.



--
 S. Alan Ezust           Depeche MoDem        [e-mail]
     "Why is it, that anything on this Earth we do not understand,
         We are pushed onto our knees to worship or to damn?"


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From: ihlpb![e-mail]
Subject: Adverts
Date: 05 Dec 1989 17:53 CST

Stew sez:
> ...I wasn't even willing to shell
> out $20 bucks for "Crossing the Red Sea with the Adverts", which I've
> been looking for for ages.

Hoo-boy, do you have some con artists at you swap!  That sucker was
re-released not long ago (don't remember the label, but I can look
it up if ya want) and should be easily available as an import for
lots less than 20 bucks.  Now if it was the ORIGINAL release they
were selling, then you'd only pay 20 bucks if you were a desperate
Adverts collector, and I've yet to meet one of them.

Oh yeah, I finally picked up some Happy Flowers (been meaning to
for years) and I got their compilation CD.  Stuff kicks.  I love
"I said I wanna watch cartoons" and "I'm the stupid one".  Never
thought I'd be able to listen to 70 minutes of noise in a row,
but this stuff makes it enjoyable.  I believe it was Mason who
said that Happy Flowers is what you would get if you gave Calvin
and Hobbes a guitar and a drum, and I think that is extremely
accurate.  So now I guess Greg has a lower opinion of me, except
I'm sick of all the new Skinny Puppy stuff AND the Jourgenson
shit.  I like Alice Donut.

P.S.  Laura, 'bout the condoms at the dinner table...
      ...nah, I'll keep my trap shut.  You just make sure you
      stay nice to me.

Surfin' Dave


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From: [e-mail] (Brian Berns x26)
Subject: Re:  Boston Bootleg
Date: 05 Dec 1989 17:56:11 EST

>> Speaking of Harvard Square, there's a guy who's been banging away on a small
>> drum set the last few sundays I've been out there.  It might be too cold now,
>> but he was *amazing*.  Had swarms of people just bopping like mad all by
>> himself, cranking away.  Sounded great.  Anybody heard this guy, know
>> anything about him?

> Is this the guy who plays across from the yuppie pizza place by
> the 'T' exit? This guy puts POWER into that drum action and plays
> for fucking hours!

Yeah, across from Bertucci's (they do make good 'zza).  I guess there's a T
exit there, but not the main one over by Out-of-Town Tickets.

We must find this man.  Take no prisoners.

-- Brian


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From: Tim Wicinski <gatech!sgi.com!zamna![e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Various shit
Date: 06 Dec 1989 01:51:57 PST

    (Assuming anyone still buys RECORDS anymore, or do you spend all your
     money going to clubs and posing in your brown shoes?)

I spend my money on 1)brown shoes, 2)catnip, and 3)strap on dildos.
records come last.

    Any opinions on this new shit (OK, almost all of it is new shit):

i think is close to the point...

    (8) Cat Rapes Dog - Maximum Overdrive

This RULES on name alone...

    (9) Front Line Assembly - Live ("Limited Edition of 4000" - Yeah. Sure.)

limited edition are limited as long as the band knows girls will suck
their collective dicks for copies.

    Album Title Of The Week:

        Poison Idea - `Record Collectors are Pretentious Assholes'

YAWN, dude, that's OLD. check out their other records "Kings of Punk"
or the apt-titled "Pick Your King" ep, with Elvis and Jesus on oppisite
sides (WAY BEFORE that fucking Detah Rot '69 came out with Elvis Christ
i might add...)

dickhead


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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: thanks (!/?) & DARK ANGEL
Date: 06 Dec 1989 10:07:56 CST


Uh, gee thanks everyone for copious replies to my Nails query.  And now, for
a short spanking.  WHACK! WHACK! WHACK! WHACK!  (Thanks to those who replied
straight to me.)

Speaking of kicking ass, I just love this DARK ANGEL metal version of the
Immigrant Song.  When the vocals come in an evail four half-steps higher than
Plant did, I just lose it.

--John


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From: Carl <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Subject: Third time luckly.
Date: 06 Dec 1989 14:28:56 GMT

This is the last time i post this, if it doesn't get through this time, well.

Every so often, somebody asks for a discography of a certain band.  How about
someone setting up a discography database?  (you know, like the lyric server.
By the way, whats happened to the lyric server?).

Well is it a good idea or is it a good idea?  Your comments (clean ones please)
are welcome.

"In the words of Rapeman's Dutch Courage - Thank you Carl."


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From: sco![e-mail]
Subject: info for your mation
Date: 06 Dec 1989 14:28:56 GMT

>   Different Trains
>
> A string quartet piece where the melodic line follows the intonation patterns
> of various human speech samples (who did this first?).  But a really good one.
> Complete with train noises, actual and string-instrument simulated.

i dunno if it was first, but a guy who's famous for it is scott johnson.
his record "john somebody" is pretty interesting.  it's also really
annoying to some people.  generally, the first time you hear it you hate
it, but then for the rest of the day you wander around thinking to yourself

    "you know who's in new york?
     remeber that guy . . . j-john somebody?"

(because this is the theme of the piece).

> Note:  we saw David Bowie smoking outside during the intermission.  He's
> really short.

maybe you saw richard butler by mistake?

-mykle-


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From: [e-mail] (Paul Baclaski)
Subject: Le 19 19
Date: 06 Dec 1989 11:39:43 PST


Anyone heard of Le 19 19?  I think they are Italian...I heard
em on KFJC about six months ago, but have been unable to find any
of their recordings.  I think there is another band with 1919
in their name (British?), but I don't think it's the same band.

Paul


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From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)
Subject: Frequenting Vaccinations
Date: 06 Dec 1989 09:27:44 PST


First off, Foetus Facts, straight from the mouth o' Jim last night:
    - His next release will be a double album/CD, 81 minutes
long, called "Sink" -- it's a bunch of new instrumental stuff, plus
re-mixes of old singles, including all the material off "Bedrock,"
"Ramrod," and surprise of surprises, a remix of his first single,
"O.K.F.M."  It will be on Some Bizarre, release date is January 29th.
Be in your store, folks.
    - The above is his last release on Some Bizarre, although SB
will apparently be re-releasing his second album, "Ache."  His new
material will be distributed by Wax Trax, and the first thing will be
an instrumental EP in the spring.  He has his own 12-track studio at
home now, and is free from Some Bizarre, so hopefully we'll see more
frequent releases.
    - Touring?  Yes, this spring, he'll be touring.  Keep your eyes
peeled.
    - In related news, Lydia, Rollins and a friend of ours are
going to be doing a speaking tour of the US and Europe this spring.
Don't miss it.  I'll post a complete schedule when I know it.
    - Watch for an album by Friction, which is a new band including
at least one ex-member of Teenage Jesus, produced by Rolli Mossiman.

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From: hoptoad!poseur.jpl.nasa.gov!earle (Greg Earle - Sun JPL on-site Software Support)
Subject: Frequenting Vaccinations
Date: 06 Dec 1989 09:27:44 PST

>Any opinions on this new shit (OK, almost all of it is new shit):
>(2) Union Carbide Productions - Financially Dissatisfied Philosophically Trying
   I've heard good things about this one, but haven't heard it myself.
>(5) The Creatures - Boomerang
   Not bad -- a bit over-poppy and over-produced, but some really great
   worldwide-type percussion sounds.  I'm undecided.
>(6) Nocturnal Emissions - Stoneface
   Where'd you see this one?  Is it a Staaltape, or another Sterile LP?
>(7) Muslimgauze - Uzi
   Again, where'd you see this?  And on what label, medium, etc?

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From: Allyn Hardyck <hoptoad!ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU!allynh%marvax.Berkeley.EDU>
Subject: Frequenting Vaccinations
Date: 06 Dec 1989 09:27:44 PST

>I finally figured out how to get Jef Poskanzer's tiff conversion program
>to understand what this scanner here produces, so I will soon be
>sending some X bitmaps down the pike I've had waiting for a bit
>(Foetus, Branca, Zorn, SY, Mark Smith) if anyone's interested.  If
>anyone wants something scanned too, something could be arranged.

Yeah, count me in.  Mail me whatever, Allyn.


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From: Ray Davis <convex![e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Various shit
Date: 06 Dec 1989 15:31:56 CST

> Any opinions on this new shit (OK, almost all of it is new shit):
> (1) Sleeping Dogs Wake - Understanding (Kinda like Hugo Largo meets Ministry)

SDW is one of the best things I've heard in a long time.  I'd add a
dash of Sonic Youth to the above comparisons.

Ray


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>
Subject: stuff
Date: 06 Dec 1989 17:54:35 -0600


Mason (on Karen Finley):

>The performance side is kinda fun, the music side sucks.

Ummm, but it's *all* performance...

>What's Kellison's problem with collaging?

I dunno, of course he might just have decided that he's getting too
famous to write friendly notes like he used to...

Drukmann:
>My editor gave me a very interesting disc to review.  It's called
>"Popular Science" and it's by Henry Kaiser and Sergei Kuriokhin.

Didn't I review this months ago? It's pretty much goofy noodling
by people who've done MUCH more interesting stuff. Kuriokhin
is an amazing pianist, he's wasting his chops on this synclavier
stuff. And when was the last time Kaiser did a real noize
guitar album?

Greg Earle:
>(Assuming anyone still buys RECORDS anymore, or do you spend all your
> money going to clubs and posing in your brown shoes?)

Hmmm, I don't own brown shoes. Maybe that's why I didn't get
laid after the Derek Bailey concert (despite running into
an old flame later).

Susan Abe:
>So tell me, now, just what *is* the accomplishment of this
>art form of ours, and instead of shelling out bucks for
>recordings/equipment, should we have been getting paid
>to do construction work?

Yes. What art form?

Btw, most of the noize records I own are not danceable.

However, I am a little embarrassed to admit that I danced to
a (gasp) Consolidated song a couple nights ago and actually
liked it and thought it might have been Meat Beat Manifesto
(loose industrial hiphop). The lyrics were of course unintelligible,
so I'm sure that helped. They don't sound anything like the bad
WaxTrax wannabes that I heard in San Francisco in '88.

Bill


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From: Dave Lechtenberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Various shit
Date: 06 Dec 1989 18:40:55 MST

> Any opinions on this new shit (OK, almost all of it is new shit):
>  Union Carbide Productions - Financially Dissatisfied Philosophically Trying

The disappointing 2nd album.  Didn't some band actually name their album
that?  Well, this is another example.  Damn shame too cuz I was really
looking forward to the new UCP album.  The new one is missing the skronking
sax and no-wave tendencies from the first, and overall lacks the raw power
of the debut.  If you don't already, get UCP's 'In The Air Tonight' and
skip this one.

-Dave L.


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From: [e-mail] (Keith Gabryelski)
Subject: Vegetable Man
Date: 07 Dec 1989 4:59:56 EST

I just got the bootleg _Sex_ from The Jesus and Mary Chain (for the
cover of Pink floyd's `Vegetable Man').

It is extremely poor quality (even for a bootleg).

Does anybody know where i can get a decent version of J&MC doing this
cover (or for that matter if there is a Floyd version around).

Pax, Keith

Ps, Anyone know if the Buzzcocks will be playing anymore of the east
coast?


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From: Steve Schonberger <gatech!cs.utexas.edu!sensual.wa.com![e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Various shit
Date: 06 Dec 1989 21:03:10 PST

Earle asks:
> Subject: Various shit
>
> (Assuming anyone still buys RECORDS anymore, or do you spend all your
>  money going to clubs and posing in your brown shoes?)
>
> Any opinions on this new shit (OK, almost all of it is new shit):
    ...
> (3) Sky Cries Mary - Until The Grinders Cease (from WA - Steve Schoenberger?)
    ...
>     - Greg

Well, if you had read my Suckdog review a little closer you would have
found a nice halfway long review of Sky Cries Mary.  Also, my name
appeared in both the From: line and the signature, in both cases
correctly spelled.  For those who read this review already, you can
hit "delete", since the rest of this is a rerun.

} Date: Fri, 01 Dec 89 02:57:09 PST
} From: Steve Schonberger <uunet!sensual.wa.com!steve>
} Subject: Suckdog shocks Seattle
}
} Opening for Lisa were Sky Cries Mary and Dickless, who were also both
} pretty impressive.  The Vogue was the busiest I'd ever seen it, with a
} varied and occasionally somewhat belligerent crowd.  A couple of
} fights broke out when people stumbling through the massive crowds
} bumped into others and spilled their beers, but no one got hurt and it
} could easily have been staged.  We got there part of the way into the
} first act, around 10:30.
}
} Sky Cries Mary were sometimes good, sometimes not so good, overall
} pretty enjoyable.  Their good stuff was industrial dance music.  It
} sounded a lot like Revolting Cocks or Skinny Puppy, and mainly just
} like the label "industrial dance music" suggests.  I think there were
} six of them, a singer, a guitar, a bass, a drummer, a couple of guys
} running drum machines, tape gadgets, a turntable (that they didn't use
} while I was there, and other stuff.  (I'm not exactly sure about the
} line-up, but that's roughly it.)  They were very percussive, though
} not quite as much as you might expect out of a group with a drummer
} and several drum machines.  The singer looked kind of Rasta-ish, and
} the rest I don't really remember.  They ran had a film projector
} pointing at them running films similar to those the Vogue usually runs
} on their video projectors, but it was cool having the clarity of film
} for the strange pictures instead of fuzzy video.  The music, vocals,
} and mixing fit together well, as long as the intent was for the vocals
} to be just another instrument.  I didn't understand the lyrics, but I
} liked the sound of the vocals a lot and don't care what the lyrics
} were like.  That part of their stuff was really good.  They should
} have stuck to it, because they also did some "I'm so depressed" type
} music.  They sounded like another band playing that stuff.  They laid
} off of almost all the percussion, and the guitars sounded different.
} The vocals sounded like most groups that play "I'm so depressed I wish
} the world would end" music.  The lyrics were understandable but
} boring.  Oh well.  Coming in late, I didn't hear a lot of their set,
} so I don't know which music style they emphasized.  What I heard of it
} was really good, in spite of the boring parts.
}
} Steve Schonberger    Why should I disclaim anything when I own this site?
} [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hofmann 5577)
Subject: Wicinski == Poseur
Date: 07 Dec 1989 09:05:24 -0500


Status: R

> From: Dickhead Wicinski
    > Album Title Of The Week:

        > Poison Idea - `Record Collectors are Pretentious Assholes'

> YAWN, dude, that's OLD. check out their other records "Kings of Punk"
> or the apt-titled "Pick Your King" ep, with Elvis and Jesus on oppisite
> sides (WAY BEFORE that fucking Detah Rot '69 came out with Elvis Christ
> i might add...)

> dickhead

"Dude", YOU'RE old.  "Record Collectors" has been RE-released as an LP (it
was originally an EP) with some long-lost tracks added to it.  It was re-
released by some German company, the address of which is in the latest MRR...
Poison Idea are argued by some (including everybody's pet critik, Byron Coley)
to be THE best, the ONLY, hardcore band in existence have a whole lotta
other shit and projects out.  They (or at least Tom Pig) are record coolectors
and put out lotssa colored vinyl versions of each of their records:

"Pick Your King" 7" EP (I have some in green vinyl)
"Record Collectors are Pretentous Assholes" EP (again multicolored vinyl)
"Kings Of Punk" (put out by Rough Trade, controversial cover almost prevented
        its release by none other than Pushead who was afraid of the
        effect it might have on kiddies).
Various cuts on comps, including the classic "Drinking Is Great" 7"
"Just to Get Away" b/w "Kick Out The Jams" - 7" Picture Disc
"Plastic Bomb" b/w "We Got The Beat" Cassingle TApe *(hand colored label)*
"Getting The Fear" LP (already hard to find)
"Darby Crash Rides Again" 7" EP (11 songs)
"Get Loaded And Fuck" - side project by "Ian MacKaye" (but get the T-shirt
in case you ever visit DC).

Most of this stuff you can get through POB Box 86333 Portland OR 97286-0333







Anyone can add or correct my discography, lemme know...


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Various shit [the disappointing nth album]
Date: 07 Dec 1989 10:12:26 EST

   From: Dave Lechtenberg <[e-mail]>
   Newsgroups: brown.nm-list
   Date: 7 Dec 89 12:21:28 GMT

   > Any opinions on this new shit (OK, almost all of it is new shit):
   >  Union Carbide Productions - Financially Dissatisfied Philosophically Trying

   The disappointing 2nd album.  Didn't some band actually name their album
   that?

Billy Bragg subtitled talking with the taxman about poetry "The
Difficult Third Album," if that's what you're referring to.


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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: bunch of stuff
Date: 07 Dec 1989 09:15:37 CST

Hey Dave,

I can't find
> Deep Freeze Mice "Tender Yellow Ponies of Insomnia"

around here.  Could you send me the record label & address if available?
Have you seen it anywhere near hpiholx?
--John


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From: [e-mail] (Mike Williams)
Subject: Re:  Imagine this scenario:
Date: 07 Dec 1989 10:14:19 PST

Along the lines of the drill story, I remember the laundry in my high school
locker room made some fantastic music, especially when five os six washers hit
the spin cycle around the same time. The squeaks and clacks were fantastic.
Sometimes, the gardener would drive by on the lawn mower while this was
going on. I loved to hum against all that noise, the sidebands and all.

Mike


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From: Craig Gleason <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Legendary Pink Dots discography
Date: 07 Dec 1989 8:46:06 MST

> : I think most of what's not there is the list of songs they've had on
> : a billion compilations.  I've got them on at least two albums and a tape
[etc.]
>
> So are you saying that there are songs which haven't been released on any
> of the albums in the discography which are put into compilation albums
> with other stuff they've done? That's weird. Do they have a compilation
> of just compilation songs but nothing from their other albums?
>
>  S. Alan Ezust           Depeche MoDem        [e-mail]

That's about it.  I think lots of stuff that ends up on compilations is
probably outtakes that bands didn't want on their own albums.  I guess
I can't say for sure that the songs I have aren't on any of the albums,
but I don't think they are.  As far as I know the only LPD compilation
album consists of songs from their other albums.

Craig
Not wanting to feel left out in the sixties, I dropped some sulfuric acid
and burned my algebra.


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hofmann 5577)
Subject: FUCK!!!
Date: 07 Dec 1989 15:31:35 -0500


I forgot the crucial Poison Idea album from Alchemy Records named
after a Bukowski book called:

        "War All The Time"...

It rules awlright dudes (tho' not as much as the Ian MacKaye "Get Loaded
and Fuck" T-shirt).


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hofmann 5577)
Subject: DubbleFUCK!!!!
Date: 07 Dec 1989 15:33:53 -0500


how could I have forgotten Poison Idea's CRUCIAL cuts on the Pushead Compilation
of a few years back!!!  "Cleanse The Bacterial" Vol I - a godhead record
for you lame ones who just want to have one hardcore record in your godless
CD collection.  And no, it isn't a good record to do bong hits to.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Soundgarden ++
Date: 07 Dec 1989 15:04 MST


>Soundgarden came, saw, and conquered for about 20 minutes, then got very
>repetitious and plodding.  Late in set they did an excellent (but still
>plodding) cover of Beetles' "Come Together".  It's your call.

You seem to have hit the nail on the head.  That's exactly what I saw.

>Galaxy 500 CD--lamest psychedelic pop crap I've heard ever.

I wasn't going to say that until I heard it again, but I suspect I agree.

>Opal "Early Recording Sessions" CD--pretty lame

I disagree (although if you went in expecting *Happy Nightmare Baby*, I
can sorta understand the reaction).  They never really got it together
until HNB, but I really enjoyed watching them change from the sum of
component parts into their own band.

>Eleventh Day Dream CD--uh, still trying to decide.

My reaction, more or less.  Three or four songs kick ass, the rest of the
album is better than average generic jangly guitar rock.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Vegetable Man
Date: 07 Dec 1989 20:24:58 +0000


'Vegetable Man' was released only on the B-side of the Mary Chain's first
single 'Upside Down', it's a great treatment. The single been reissued a
few times now but it's still very difficult to get hold of, sells for at
least 10 pounds over here.

It's on the Creation label and the no. is either CRE012 or CRE013, I can't
remember off-hand.

                Kenny


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From: sco![e-mail]
Subject: Vegetable Man
Date: 07 Dec 1989 20:24:58 +0000

    Does anybody know where i can get a decent version of J&MC doing this
    cover (or for that matter if there is a Floyd version around).

It's on one of the J&MC's earliest singles -- "Upside Down" is the A-side,
I believe.  Probably not easy to find, I dunno.  It was also covered by
the Soft Boys, on the "Near the Soft Boys" EP (3-song 7").  Last I saw
this sucker it was selling for $25 or more -- out of my league.  I don't
know of any Floyd version.

-- Stewart


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>
Subject: hot stuff in cold weather
Date: 07 Dec 1989 20:09:10 -0600



If I don't rush this stuff off I'll never post it...

Six Winds --- the International Saxophone Sextet is one of gobs
of new sax ensembles. The only name I recognize is John Tchichai,
who's played with just about everybody's free jazz heros (Albert
Ayler, Cecil Taylor etc etc). They're not as dry as ROVA gets
sometimes, and don't do the mushy arrangements that World Sax 4-tet
slip into sometimes, and have better chops than most of the other
newer sax ensembles (warning: I don't play sax). And they're not
single-mindedly striving-to-be-wacky like Zorn and other NY people
get sometimes. Nice album, good balance between composed stuff
and improvised stuff.

Dos's 2nd record (Numero Dos, what else) is nothing earthshaking
but intricate and well-crafted tho I could do without the Sonic
Youth cover.

Inverse Guitars is a side of Nicholas Collins and one of Robert Poss.
Collins' stuff is more ambient/minimal and just screaming to have
William Burroughs mixed over it. Poss' side is pretty diverse,
even if I don't think it all works I think he tries hard to avoid
cliches (last cut on side is a snide remark about cliches). Some
places recall Branca, but Poss will never milk one texture for
10 minutes like Branca.

This Nicholas Collins CD (100 of the World's Most Beautiful Melodies)
came in as a promo. It's probably the most awesome unsolicited promo I've
received at the station, ever. I'd be tempted to pick up a used copy,
and I don't even own a CD player. Collins plays trombone-driven
electronics (basically sampling digital delay and other gadgets built
into a trombone for control). He does 42 duets with some neat people:
John Zorn (like 7 cuts), Shelley Hirsch, George Lewis (one cut each),
Pippin Barnett (a bunch), Tom Cora (3 or 4), Peter Cusack (tons),
Zeena Parkins (2) etc etc. The Hirsch cut is so-so, the first 2
minutes of the Lewis kinda boring (I hit fast-forward, sorry so I'm
not a responsible reviewer). Cusack plays a variety of electronics
ranging from vicious noize things to delicate sparse patterns. There's
also Ned Rothenberg and Elliot Sharp on bass clarinet, both doing
the thick slimy multiphonics thang sounding more like guitars (throw
away your electric guitars, buy bass clarinets instead). The Zorn
cuts have some of the hottest playing I've heard from Zorn in awhile,
some intense whiplash lines and superfast flutter-tonguing. Collins
grabs the samples and bounces them off of Zorn etc, but it's very
hard to tell who's playing and who's sampling (which I guess means
these pieces work pretty well).

(Incidentally, it's impossible to sample this thing on the air if
it's on tape or even lp instead of on CD. I was picking thru cuts
#2,7,12,13,14,17,22 etc etc. Make a few more CD's like this and
I'll consider buying a CD player.)

Health & Beauty is this neat Rochester NY improv outfit (hey Pat
you know these guys?) They list a "Thom Metzger" who I assume
is not the same as the notorious Tom Metzger (I hope), my
correspondent was a Rick Scott. I've only heard side 1 (fuck
reviewer responsibility) and it's fun stuff (what can I say
I have a weakness for good improv with intense bowed strings).
They do short pieces that sound like loose songs (actually
it's hard to tell what's composed and what's not), maybe
60% instrumentals and the rest with sung cartoon lyrics ("the
sky is falling blah blah"). If you like loose wacky sometimes
noize-y jazz/rock/undefinable stuff definitely check these
guys out. Address in a recent Sound Choice or Option, but if
you're really too lazy or lame I can maybe dig it up. Ask.

Another totally orgasmic happening this week is the appearance
at the station of a massive 4-record set of new music
broadcasts from some Dutch radio station. Some names: Han
Bennink (percussionist on lots of German free jazz combos),
Misha Mengelberg (longtime Euro free jazz pianist) etc etc.
The biggie is the 4th record featuring the Maarten Altena
Octet with Dagmar Krause. I must confess I've never heard
bassist Altena's stuff despite seeing his name everywhere
(the limited funds syndrome, folks, tho you gotta check out
my next order from Cadence, yow yow). From some needle-dropping
and actually listening to 3 of 7 cuts, there's lots of that
demented Euro avant-big band stuff (think slimy brass a la
Willem Breuker Kollektief) plus free improv scatting from
Dagmar (I didn't know she had it in her) plus more structured
song-like things where she sings almost normally (think of
demented Art Bears/Henry Cow things or her wonderful Hans
Eisler record). I'll report on the rest later (haven't heard
'em, whatya think I listen to records in my sleep?) but
the Misha Mengelberg side features some compositions by
Herbie Nichols, one of the most experimental pre-Cecil Taylor
jazz pianists.

Put off dinner enough...

Bill


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From: Michael Murphy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: usual stuff from me
Date: 07 Dec 1989 23:02:06 EST

Well, i'm the Michael Murphy that mentioned River's band Aleka's Attic
(also the 'maintainer' of this list).  I'm at U of Florida in Gainesville,
not in Maine.  River & others of the Phoenix family live Hawthorne, a tiny
little town near here.  They have played here a few times, but i've never
caught them (although they cancelled 2 or 3 different parties or shows that
my band played at, so i almost saw them).

River plays guitar, and sings (i think), and i think they have an electric
violin.  Sorry i can't tell you much more about them, but i could ask around.
I know a bunch of people who know River.  I occasionally run into him myself
at shows & stuff, but i never remember to ask him about the band.  People have
told me they're a bit xtc-ish (one of my faves), but not as clever (of course).

They haven't played lately.  I'll let you know if i hear anything.

-mjm


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Vegetable Man
Date: 08 Dec 1989 12:44:11 EST

Rough Trade reissued Upside Down/Vegetable Man over here.  Good for us
punters.

If there is no Floyd/Barrett version of ``Vegetable Man,'' how did the
J+MC get a hold of the tune ?


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: hot stuff in cold weather/Dagmar Krause
Date: 08 Dec 1989 12:50:15 EST

   Sender: [e-mail]
   Precedence: bulk
   Date: Thu, 7 Dec 89 20:09:10 -0600
   From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>

   The biggie is the 4th record featuring the Maarten Altena
   Octet with Dagmar Krause... more structured
   song-like things where she sings almost normally (think of
   demented Art Bears/Henry Cow things or her wonderful Hans
   Eisler record).

Is this the one with the black and white cover with photos strewn
about ?  I really liked that a lot (even more than _Supply and Demand_),
but somebody stole it from WMBR.


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From: Jeremy Bornstein <[e-mail]>
Subject: shameless query
Date: 08 Dec 1989 10:00:09 PST


Hi folks.  Does anyone know anyting about a band called Melon?  I think that
they're from Japan but am not sure.  I heard a record of theirs at a
halloween party i went to (on halloween) and was very impressed.  However,
i was also stoned out of my gourd (and sitting around a color monitor
watching flowfazer) so it's conceivable that i'm way off base on this one...
(at the same party i also listened to and enjoyed "exotic moog" by what's-
his-name, so that may help; however i haven't heard that record either in a
"normal" state.)

Anyway, back to melon:  I haven't been able to find their records anywhere,
so if anybody reading this has a catalog with melon listed in it, i would
appreciate much an address which i can order stuff from (or whatever other
info there might be).

yours in truth and light,

-jeremy
 [e-mail]


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From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)
Subject: Howdy Gumby
Date: 08 Dec 1989 09:32:24 PST


For the electronic noise aficianados, keep your eyes open for
a new Master/Slave Relationship LP/CD this spring.  And maybe
even something live at that time in SF, given that Debbie's
moving out this way.  We can hope for a stimulating live show.

Went to a gallery opening at 455 last night; they're showing a
bunch of Richard Kern's photos.  Basically just stills from his
past videos, nothing too special.  He sure wants a lot of money
for prints, though, in the $250 range.  Yeah, right.  455 is
showing a video of his on Saturday, too.  Nobody knew which one.
Hmm.  Could be something new, but I somehow doubt it.  If anyone
goes let us know.

Picked up a new issue of Your Flesh mag.  Pretty good, part one
of a two part interview with Lydia which is actually very good.
Nice news on Of Cabbages & Kings -- new material out soon, Parsons
left the band, but was replaced with an ex-Live Skull drummer.
Etc. Also got the new Bananafish, which has a 7" Glass did with
RRR, all Carpenters covers.  Couldn't figure out if it was a 33
or 45 for a while.  I don't think it matters.  Good reviews as
usual, though.

>From: hoptoad!cs.brown.edu!rpg
>
>{re: Ut}
>I hear some intriguing things about this band's latest album,
>"griller," on Blast First (from the Washington, D.C., City Paper).
>BUT, I also hear that it's not going to be available in the U.S.  So,
>has anyone been fortunate (?) enough to get his or her hands on it?
>If so, would you please get in touch with me?

Probably won't be coming out in the US for quite some time, as well,
given the problems that Blast First is having.  They may not be with
us for much longer.  But not available in the US is always bullshit,
since you can find imports everywhere anyway.  Shit, just go to your
local store and ask them to special order it for you, it's not like
it's hard for them to do or anything.

>From: Susan Abe <hoptoad!math.washington.edu!palepink>
>
>So tell me, now, just what *is* the accomplishment of this
>art form of ours, and instead of shelling out bucks for
>recordings/equipment, should we have been getting paid
>to do construction work?

If it sounds good, then you can consider it art if you like.  I
would just consider it something that sounds good.  Who gives a
damn whether it's packaged on vinyl, CD, or whatever and someone
wants money for it?  If you taped it and charged money for it,
then would it suddenly become 'music' whereas it wasn't before?
No way.  Construction sites have some amazing sounds emanating
>from them frequently.  But so do a lot of other places.  There's
no such thing as art, that's all.

>From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <hoptoad!uicsrd.csrd.uiuc.edu!hsu>
>
>Mason (on Karen Finley):
>
>>The performance side is kinda fun, the music side sucks.
>
>Ummm, but it's *all* performance...

No, the album I've got is her doing the performance an excerpt from
which is in 'Mondo New York.'  The other side is horrible, bad
disco shit -- which may be 'performance' but is not a segment of
her usual performance art stuff.  It's pure disco, that's all.

>Btw, most of the noize records I own are not danceable.
>
>However, I am a little embarrassed to admit that I danced to
>a (gasp) Consolidated song a couple nights ago and actually
>liked it and thought it might have been Meat Beat Manifesto
>(loose industrial hiphop). The lyrics were of course unintelligible,
>so I'm sure that helped. They don't sound anything like the bad
>WaxTrax wannabes that I heard in San Francisco in '88.

Not hearing the lyrics helps a great deal.  Kind of like the new
Spit album, it could be tolerable (though in Consolidated's case
not very innovative or interesting) if you could erase the lyrics
>from the album.  For dancing too, though, I can see that it would
be pretty good -- they have a good beat, anyway.  The lyrics turn
them into incredibly self-indulgent, pretentious, losers.


VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV
               Fragments...That's all it is.

      Mason Jones, H&A Computer Services, San Francisco, CA
      ...{uunet,sun}!hoptoad!haedx!mason     [phone]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: San Fran visit & reviews
Date: 08 Dec 1989 13:46:52 CST

I may be in Sanfrisco Wednesday-Friday next week (12/13-15) on business and
would love to meet nm.personalities.  Any good live noise scheduled?  If this
trip happens, I'd probably return early Friday.  To meet, send work and home
phone numbers to [e-mail].

----
B52's "Cosmic Thing"  --what a bitchin' album.  The 4 hits are grrreat and
the filler listenable.  Odd female chorus arrangements!

The Melvins new CD (boner records) --combines the new album with the seminal
 "Glooey Porch Treatments" LP.  This is Northern California godhead grunge at
 its best.  What a deal of a disk.  Melvins always have something nasty to say
 on guitar in all of their songs.  It's like SLOW Seattle grunge tunes, slow
 enough to really make enjoyable feedback.  (I think Melvins moved to CA
 though.)  The new album sticks with the base Melvins style but *almost* in
 places adds things like melodies, non-diabolic chord changes, but just when
 you think they're gonna complete a happy tune, they stab you.

Drugstore Cowboy movie -- great comedy about junky lifestyle and crimes
 w/ Matt Dillon.

--John


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From: Dave Lechtenberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: tender ponies
Date: 08 Dec 1989 13:45:12 MST

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: tender ponies
Date: 08 Dec 1989 13:45:12 MST

I don't know what's on the CD, but their 'Prairie School Freakout' album
has some great guitar splatterings ala Dream Syndicate's 'Days of Wine and
Roses'.  I've heard their earliest stuff is out of the REM mold and probably
not worth seeking out.  There's also a new album (title is something about
Beets?) which I haven't heard.


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>
Subject: tender ponies
Date: 08 Dec 1989 13:45:12 MST

Bill, you've already educated us on Elliot Sharp.  How about doing
the same for Kaiser?  What do you recommend by him?

I have his first, Ice Death.  It seems like minimalist noodling to me
and doesn't really grab my attention.  Chadbourne plays on one cut.

Of course, there's French/Frith/Kaiser/Thompson's Live, Love, Loaf & Larf
which isn't noisy but a fine album nonetheless.


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From: [e-mail] Thu Dec  7 10:06:36 1989
Subject: tender ponies
Date: 08 Dec 1989 13:45:12 MST

I already replied to Hogge, but in case anyone else is interested:

I should've mentioned earlier that DFM and Chrysanthemusms stuff
is hard to find.  It pops up in record stores once in a rare while.
I finally resorted to direct mail order.  Write to: Cordelia Records,
8, Denis Close, Leicester, LE3 6DQ, UK.  Include a dollar and ask for
a sampler cassette.  When ordering stuff, send cash (they'll take U.S.
currency).  International money orders are slow and a pain.

Btw, the new issue of File 13 (#5) has a DFM/Mums interview and related
reviews.  The last issue (#4) had some more Cordelia/Hamster reviews.
They're $1 each.  Write to Mark Lo at File 13, Box 175, Concord, MA 01742.

-Dave L.


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From: [e-mail] (Sho Kuwamoto)
Subject: reviews: KMFDM, Severed Heads, Skinny Puppy
Date: 08 Dec 1989 22:58:58 -0500

Bought some records.  Nothing like "oh, there's this great new band that
none of you have heard of, etc., etc."   This is Indiana.  I think these
have been reviewed before, but tough.

KMFDM        _UAOIE_

This album is radically different from their earlier stuff.  It's
always hard to tell these things, what with obviously fake names like
producer F.M. Einheit (means unity) lingering, but it looks like
they went through a major personnel change.  Nainz Watts is not
credited on the album, which may be why I don't like this as much as
the older stuff.  As far as I can tell, he did a lot of the singing
and songwriting.  My guess is that he is going solo, to put out albums
under the psuedonym Pig.  So what do these new guys do?  Sigrid Meyer
has been credited on previous albums, Morgan Adjei (this guy might be
the same person as Jr. Blackmale, also credited on previous albums) is
probably their reggae singer, which leaves Rudolph Naomi, whose job it
is to look absolutely idiotic in their group photo.

So the new sound is still beat oriented, but not mechanical like Front
242, has guitar, runs at a medium dance tempo, and you now get your
choice of the old distorted vocals, or the new reggae style vocals.
The strangest one of these reggae deals is "Loving Can be an Art,"
which seems to be a remake of "Conillon" off of their "Don't Blow Your
Top" 12".  This brings us to the point of old material.  My god!
There's that, there's "Thumb Thumb", which seems to be a remake of
"Kickin' Ass" off of their first album, and "Naff Off" uses the music
>from "Itchy Bitchy," also off their first album.

My favorite songs on the album were already on the "More and Faster"
12", and there aren't any new songs like them.  No "More and Faster,"
lookalike, no "Naff Off" clone.  I like the album, but I don't like it
as much as their other albums, with the possible exception of their
first album, which has some ridiculous lyrics.

Severed Heads    _Rotund for Success_

I like this album a fair deal, but if you were expecting something
different from these guys becuase of the message on the cover of
_Bulkhead_, think again.  Everything on the album either sounds like
"Greater Reward" or like something ealier.  (vague, sho.  vague.)  The
song I'm listening to now would sound just at home on _Come Visit..._.

Skinny Puppy    _Rabies_

Listening to this album is like listening to Husker Du or late Clash.
Half the songs are made one way, and half are made another.  Strangely
enough, I like some of the the Al Jourgenson songs, although I didn't
like the new Ministry album.  I don't even mind "Fascist Jock Itch"
that much, which shows the Al influence most clearly.  'Cmon.  They
use a "Hellraiser" sample.  I like "Hexonxonx" even with (perhaps
because) of the bassline.  I Don't like "Tin Omen."  And Greg,
wherever did you get the idea that "Spahn Dirge" has a Jourgenson
influence?  It's noise with no machine gun drum machine.  I like it.
I also like "Amputate," more for the mix than for the song.  Some
songs manage to be exceedingly dull, like "Rodent."


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From: Simon Peter Gatrall <[e-mail]>
Subject: identify this!
Date: 09 Dec 1989 01:42:08 -0500 (EST)

I have a tape that I made off the radio (WLIR) in '85.  There's a song
called "My Love for You" by a band called Uomo Vogue, or at least that's
what I remember.  The problem is that I have never heard anything else
about them.  It was kind of cheesy new wave dance stuff a la Vicious
Pink, Propaganda, or Sucession.  It's silly stuff, but I really like the
song and I want to know if it's out of the twilight zone or if anybody
else has ever heard of it.

On a less tacky note, I tried to send out some mail recently about a new
mailing list.  I got some responses, but others never showed.  I'm
starting to suspect that my mail got eaten somewhere.  So Mason, Jeff
Dauber, Ray Shea and anyone else that cares to reply, here's the idea
again:

I have been pleased observing the success of the Severed Heads/Ralph
Records list ([e-mail]), so I have been thinking
about a list of my own.  I'm assuming all of you have seen Re/Search
magazine.  Well, imagine a mailing list for people that subscribe to
Re/Search.  A list about postmodern culture.  This would be what
alt.postmodern might have been.  I like nm-list, and will continue
reading it, but I would enjoy a list that was just a little more
obscure.  Topics include, but are not limited to:

Art-stuff that uses technology as a medium and comments on technology

Music-from obscure tape artists to Paula Abdul, the difference being the
people discussing this stuff

Film-real cult stuff, ie not Rocky Horror

Literature-W.S.Burroughs, J.G. Ballard, ?? (I happen to like cyberpunk
stuff a lot, but I won't necessarily force this escapist stuff on you)

Philosophy-semiotics, structuralism, deconstruction, etc.

The general theme is stuff that is too strange for most people.

Send me mail.  Tell me if this is too stupid or too cool.  Give me
suggestions for a list name, some good inside joke is probably
appropriate.

-Simon Gatrall        [e-mail]


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From: Niels P. Mayer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: tender ponies
Date: 09 Dec 1989 04:46:05 PST


> Bill, you've already educated us on Elliot Sharp.  How about doing
> the same for Kaiser?  What do you recommend by him?
>
> I have his first, Ice Death.  It seems like minimalist noodling to me
> and doesn't really grab my attention.  Chadbourne plays on one cut.

Well, I'm not Bill, but I'll give you an opinion anyways.

Kaiser sucks. Give a little boy lots of expensive equipment (synclavier,
mega guitar efx rack, 6 identical blacknife graphite guitars bought just
for purposes of feckless excess), very little talent, and make the boy be a
real asshole stuck-up priss fuckwad, and you have Henry Kaiser. I could
understand a classical violin or opera virtuoso getting away with his kind
of behaviour, but this guy just doesn't rate... he just noodles away behind
his effects. I could probably randomly punch in some settings on a rack
full of quadraverbs, have my dog paw at a guitar randomly, and the sounds
would be about as good as anything Kaiser has put out. And I don't even
have a dog.

Basically, none of his stuff grabs my attention. Every time I see him he
makes sure he's drowning out everyone on stage, even though I'd rather hear
the musicians accompanying him. He's like a teenage guitar nightmare gone bad.

Last time I saw Kaiser, it was at UCB and he was playing with E# who was
making some really cool sounds through his bass clarinet, and was a nice
guy to boot.

-- Niels "fuck noise, give me music" Mayer.

PS: Current Jazzbo ArtFag tape I'm listening to:

    Stephen Miller/Lol Coxhill -- groovy, wacky fun! this album sounds
        like the way you feel walking home from a british pub after
        drinking too many lagers with off-duty nurses. Either that,
        or it's the lilting mind-warped backing music to an
        unpublished "Benny Hill" show....

    Anybody know who these guys are?


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From: uunet!aob.aob.mn.org![e-mail] (Ann Mackinnon)
Subject: suckdog, etc
Date: 09 Dec 1989 04:46:05 PST



   recent reviews of Suckdog sound suspicously like the girls
   have listened to at least one GG Allin record in their lifetimes...

   potty humor never really struck me as being too damn funny--No, I
   take that back--the first time I heard the Mentors I thought they
   were X-tremely hysterical.  But just the first.  And I get restless
   at parties when the host plays more than one side of a GG Allin deal..


   Ah, yes, I am back, I AM married...and I have a music related honeymoon
   experience to share with my fellow nm-listers--ho-ho, go ahead use your
   imagination--but it must wait until tomorrow, for a homesick cat awaits
   me at the kitty hospital, so I must go...



    mrs mcookie-mrp


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  hot stuff in cold weather/Dagmar Krause
Date: 09 Dec 1989 13:26:06 -0600

Ummm, no that's not it... it's part of a 4-lp box set, no individual
covers, no pix. The cover is grey with some text, sth like New
Movements in Jazz, Dutch International Radio broadcasts blah blah.

Oh wait, if you meant the Eisler record, yeah it sounds like the right
one, on Antilles, and is *much* stronger than Supply and Demand
because they really loosened up the arrangements. The Eisler arrangements
on Supply and Demand are very straight and boring, and Eisler isn't
really much of an original tunesmith on the cuts they picked. But
_Tank Battles_ (the Eisler-only record) has some really wild stuff
and sharp playing. Essential for all RIO fans.

Bill


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kaiser Komments
Date: 09 Dec 1989 14:22:17 -0600


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From: Dave Lechtenberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kaiser Komments
Date: 09 Dec 1989 14:22:17 -0600

>Bill, you've already educated us on Elliot Sharp.  How about doing
>the same for Kaiser?  What do you recommend by him?

Ummm, that was not really close to a near complete Sharp list. And
I'm not really that informed on Henry Kaiser. Some of the Bay area
people can do much better (Dennis Yarak? Allyn?) I know Rick Rees
has a lot of Henry Kaiser but it's kinda hard to get him to post
right now...

Anyway, my lame attempt... Kaiser is incredibly eclectic and uneven.
And unfortunately he's recently caught the postmodernist reconstruct-
older-music disease, and I don't think he does it near as well as,
say, Zorn (and heck, Zorn was doing it 3 years ago). The ripping-est
Kaiser I heard is a monster side-long multi-tracked noize guitar
thing on a 2-lp set called (I think) Aloha on the now defunct
Metalanguage. It appears in used and cutout bins every now and
then, especially if you're fortunate enough (or unfortunate enough
given earthquakes and shit) to live in the Bay area. (I don't
own a copy.) He's also done some pretty free stuff, like a hot
live set on some San Jose radio station with Toshinoro Kondo
(trumpet) and Greg Goodman (piano). It's dense and raucous and
available as an out-of-print live lp somewhere (sorry) and a
semi-bootleg trade-only cassette from some guy in San Jose
whose address I can look up. There's also some nice duets with
Martin Schori on the _Live at the Drunken Dolphins_ cassette
probably not available anymore (Schori also duets with Elliot
Sharp, Evan Parker, Derek Bailey etc). And speaking of Bailey
Kaiser has many Bailey-esque moments on his live lp with Toshinoro
Kondo and Jon Oswald called _Moose and Salmon_, $4 cutout from
Wayside, but that's more sparse and difficult and delicate stuff
and doesn't have the high energy raunch of the Kondo/Goodman set,
or the Aloha stuff. I would guess Ice Death is more of the
sparse improv stuff?

Bill


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From: [e-mail] (paul moore=)
Subject: Re:  Buzzcocks
Date: 09 Dec 1989 13:11:45 PST

I heard a sucky Buzzcocks interview on the radio (KROQ) and
when the dj asked what band the guys thought was really
happening nowadays, they replied Front 242.  Agonize over
that one, greg.

paul


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From: [e-mail] (paul moore=)
Subject: Re:  Bill Leeb / FLA, Delerium, Noise Unit
Date: 09 Dec 1989 13:25:33 PST

The other member of Noise Unit is Marc Verhaegen from the
Klinik.  WaxTrax will be releasing both the album and 12"
early in 90, so save your money and wait.

paul


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From: [e-mail] (paul moore=)
Subject: Re:  Various shit
Date: 09 Dec 1989 13:28:52 PST


>Any opinions on this new shit (OK, almost all of it is new shit):
>(9) Front Line Assembly - Live ("Limited Edition of 4000" - Yeah. Sure.)


    Haven't heard it, but for $14 you may be wasting your money.  I'll
  make a tape of their LA show for you for $3.50.  Even throw on Chris
  & Cosey in the remaining space.

paul


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From: [e-mail] (paul moore=)
Subject: wacked out geekiness
Date: 09 Dec 1989 13:53:30 PST


I just had to share this with everyone:

  Finals are over here and I'm catching up on all the mail and
  the only other person in the room is the nerd-monitor and he's
  playing some psuedo-classical stuff on his walkman and it just
  hit me what it really is.  The soundtrack to Star Wars.  Loud.


  Does anyone else think Crispin Glover is Pyschic Youth?  Look at
  the amazing similarities:

   Genesis P.  Orridge    <=============>   Crispin Glover
   --------------------                   -------------------
   - Filmed Good Vibrations video         Filmed Back to The Future
     in Hollywood                         in Hollywood
   - 7 letters in first name          7 letters in first name
   - Given to recording strange albums    ditto
   - Had a secretary named Kennedy        Had a secretary named Lincoln
   - Pierced scrotum                      Owns a gynecological table


  ok, maybe not.

paul


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Suck on this, Suckdog
Date: 09 Dec 1989 15:51:39 PST


Found in a.r-n-r:

>OK, how about this... I was at an Ozzy concert, and he came out on
>stage before the concert had actually started, and he threw out six
>puppies, and said he wasn't going to start the concert until all six
>were thrown back up on stage dead.  Two were thrown back dead, but
>the other four lived, and we all got rather pissed off about it.
>Personally, I don't give a shit, 'cause I like Ozzy's music, but I
>think it's sick.

                        --John


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From: David J Frerichs <[e-mail]>
Subject: distorted reviews of SP
Date: 09 Dec 1989 21:24:41 -0600

I must say that you have the worst musical taste, especially with respect
to the thin dog.

This being the last Skinny Puppy album of all time, it makes us say
good riddence.  It also proves a point that anything Mr. Jorgensen
gets involed in, gets destroyed.  You can tell the songs he had a
large influence in (Hexonxonx and Fascist Jock Itch) due to the fact
that they are the worst ever put out by SP.  The only exceptional song
on the album (Two Time Grime) is just a remix of Deep Down Trauma
Hounds with new lyric (listen carefully and you'll see what I mean,
what do you think the title means?)  The hostility that surounded the
making of this album is evident everywhere you look.  You can tell
which songs Cevin Key did by himself.  The whole album has the feel of the
Beatles White Album in the effect that each band member was just using
the others for studio help, not working on a unified front.  Also
interesting are the goodbye messages of nOgre and cKey. Where Nivek
bemoans the breakup and Key tells Nivek to fuck off and accuses him of
chasing after quick easy money with Mr. Jorgensen.  The real question
is, why?  Why did Nivek and Rave turn into boot and ass licking
Jorgensen followers and ruin Skinny Puppy, a band that was 10000 times
more real and popular than the drug induced waste that was Ministry.

...  -dfRERICHS


From [e-mail]
 Sun Dec 10 22:00:37 1989
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From: [e-mail]
Subject: RE: Melon query
Date: 10 Dec 1989  12:27:48 EST

If there are Ramada Inn's in Japan, than Melon probably plays in one.
There stuff is sort of cheesy-synth lounge music, atmospheric in parts.
They also do a version of "Fly Me to the Moon" that is one of the most
bizzare and inexplicable things I've heard on vinyl. At a few points,
the singer would seem to go out into his audience as ask probing questions
such as "Don't you like a blowjob?" It is just too weird to explain, and
doesn't at all fit in with the rest of the album. Almost like some american
producer got a hold of the masters and dubbed in this dialogue.
Anyway, I don't know anything about a discography or things like that.
a friend picked it up used somewhere. I can't recommend it for the music,
and yet if I saw it, I'd probably be compelled to buy it.


Dave Matson


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kaiser/E#/Coxhill
Date: 10 Dec 1989 16:13:58 -0600

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From: Niels P. Mayer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kaiser/E#/Coxhill
Date: 10 Dec 1989 16:13:58 -0600

>Kaiser sucks. Give a little boy lots of expensive equipment (synclavier,
>mega guitar efx rack, 6 identical blacknife graphite guitars bought just
>for purposes of feckless excess), very little talent, and make the boy be a
>real asshole stuck-up priss fuckwad, and you have Henry Kaiser.

Kaiser is very restrained and rather Bailey-esque on Moose and Salmon.
He might still be a jerk, but I couldn't tell from the record.

>Last time I saw Kaiser, it was at UCB and he was playing with E# who was
>making some really cool sounds through his bass clarinet, and was a nice
>guy to boot.

Yeah E# is a nice guy. I've tried unsuccessfully (my fault,
equipment problems) 3 times to set up an interview with him, and
he's been really polite and understanding. And he shreds on bass
clarinet (multiphonics, of course).

>    Stephen Miller/Lol Coxhill

Lol Coxhill hangs out with a lot of the British/Euro new music/improv
folks and has vinyl on Nato. I have some Coxhill stuff on a Nato
compilation but none of his own lps. He's lots of fun and has
massive chops.

Bill


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From: Christopher John Rapier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Alternative Video
Date: 10 Dec 1989 17:24:28 -0500 (EST)

A guy at my school is wondering something.....

he writes

OK, so we have all this great alternative music here.  Creative people all
over the world are pulling out their guitars/keyboards/tape recorders/large
metal cans and creating wonderful aural material.  What I want to know is,
is there an analouge in video?  Are there all kinds of awesome home and
semi-professionally made movies/music videos/experimental viewable things
out there?  Compilations on videotape?  What about alternative TV stations
(I know some colleges have their own TV stations) ?  Any thoughts on this?

- Mike


so anybody have a clue or anything like that?

if you would be so kind as to cc; mail to me at [e-mail] I'd
be appreciative.
hell send some to mike himself at [e-mail]

thanks

christos 'My name is Elmer J. Fudd, Millionaire.... you know the rest..'


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From: [e-mail] (John M Davison)
Subject: nm-list: Re/Search Industrial Culture Handbook
Date: 11 Dec 1989 00:18:17 -0500


    Would someone out there be so kind as to give me the complete listing
of information pertinent to the acquisition of said book (i.e. IBSN number,
publisher, etc.)?  Please mail directly to me and not just to the list, as
my limited time and slow communication speed (1200 bps with lots of XONs and
XOFFs in between my terminal and the machine one hundred miles away) do not
always permit me to read every nm-list-digest I get.

    thank you


[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
-...pur-ee!davisonj
finger: [e-mail]


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From: Hopelessly in love w/Donna Reed <[e-mail]>
Subject: 120 mins./Pere Ubu/Wire
Date: 11 Dec 1989 01:14:53 PST


well, after sending in my request letter to MTV for their all-request
120 minutes, i missed the first hour of it because before i had set my
VCR, my friends got a flat tire and i went to pick them up.

if anyone taped it, could you please send me mail and let me know what
videos they played before the Bad Brains interviews?  or if you want to
send me the tape, let me know.  danke.

also, i know this is not at all new, but i picked up _New Picnic Time_
by Pere Ubu on CD and i like it.  unfortunately, i know nothing of these
guys.  could someone please fill me in?  gracias.

lastly, Restless records (or is it Reckless?) out of Culver City has
released Wire's older albums on CD!  i saw _Pink Flag_ selling at Sam
Goody for their "normal" price of $14.99.  this is good, because the
import was selling for $20.

-d


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From: Carl <[e-mail]>
Subject:    Slugs and snails and puppy dog's tails
Date: 11 Dec 1989 14:20:40 GMT

Well, what a response i got to my idea about a discography database, just one
person, thanks Steve, the rest of ya can take a run and jump, preferably off a
nice tall building.

And what about the lyric server?  What the fuck's happened to it?

All these questions and more will be answered in the next exciting instalement
of, Slugs and snails and puppy dog's tails, until then, goodnight.

"In the words of Rapeman's Dutch Courage - Thank you Carl."


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From: Peter Glen Berger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Alternative Video
Date: 11 Dec 1989 12:54:34 -0500 (EST)


Yes, there is such a thing.

I'm not certain of the size or strength of the "movement", but here in
Pittsburgh, if you have cable, they have something called "PCTV"
(Pittsburgh Community Television, I think).  They show almost
exclusively films and videos produced by local "artists".  They also
offer a training program to anyone who wants to learn how to produce
films & videos, which I think is fantastic.   Find a friend with
cable, I guess...

Pete Berger               ||  ARPA:     [e-mail]
Professional Student           ||  BITNET:   R746PB1P@CMCCVB
Carnegie-Mellon University     ||         NEXUS@DRYCAS
Do not attend this college.    ||  UUCP: ...!harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!pb1p
"If only I could/make a deal with god/and get him to swap our places..."


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From: [e-mail] (Dean R. Lass)
Subject: Help me, somebody!
Date: 11 Dec 1989 15:06:10 CST

Does anyone know when the next issue of Forced Exposure is due? I'm
curious because I recently subscribed, Jimmy and Byron cashed the check
and sent me my Spacemen 3 single, but no mag yet. I have the D. Galas
issue (from a friend) and it says "published quarterly" on the contents
page. So is this "four times a year", "each quarter century", "each time
Byron finds a quarter on the sidewalk", or what? Or is this going to be
like New York Rocker, which cashed my check and then stopped publishing?
Are my checks a jinx?

Of course, now that I've mailed this, I'll go home and guess what will
be in my mailbox.

And why is Byron so hot-crotched about Spacemen 3? The single is pretty
"So?" in my book.

And (let's start something) what's the new Jesus and Mary Chain like?
Is it like (any of) their other stuff? Does it Kick Ass or Suck Shit?
Any takers?

Dean    "I'm the dopest female that you've seen thus far"


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From: Craig Gleason <[e-mail]>
Subject: Alternative Video
Date: 11 Dec 1989 13:30:51 MST

> OK, so we have all this great alternative music here.  Creative people all
> over the world are pulling out their guitars/keyboards/tape recorders/large
> metal cans and creating wonderful aural material.  What I want to know is,
> is there an analouge in video?  Are there all kinds of awesome home and
> semi-professionally made movies/music videos/experimental viewable things
> out there?  Compilations on videotape?  What about alternative TV stations
> (I know some colleges have their own TV stations) ?  Any thoughts on this?
>
Try the Testament video on RRRecords, 151 Paige St. Lowell MA 01852.  I
haven't seen it but the album of the same name is quite good.  The video
project was done at the same time by some of the same artists, so I assume
that some of the music overlaps.

Craig


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From: [e-mail] (Kenneth C. Yao)
Subject: Sludge update
Date: 11 Dec 1989 21:17:23 -0500

Appropriate, I suppose, since I'm in New Jersey.

1.Boss Hogg-- Drinkin', Lechin', and Lyin' ep (Amphetamine Reptile)
 Boss Hogg all-stars are Jon Spencer (Pussy Galore), Kurt Wolf (PG), Cristina
(early PG and Honeymoon Killers), someother dude, and Charlie Ondras (Unsane).
Spencer's first post-Pussy Galore effort finds him more tuneful and perhaps
consquently more retro than ever. Lotsa sixties Detroit influences with some
but not much disruption, Boss Hogg ain't exactly foraging new ground. It's
fun stuff, side 2 in particular, but kinda like eating Fruit Loops. Produced
by someone named Steve in Chicago. Sez so on the back cover. Though better
than Pussy Galore's Dial M for Motherfucker it's still: Pretty disappointing.

2.Unsane NYC -- This Town b/w Urge To Kill (Treehouse Records)
 The aural wave band takes their shot on vinyl, finally, thanks in part to
those "paragons" of the New York indie "scene," and it rocks pretty hard.
Side a is the Unsane at their finest, jammin', insane drummin' et al.
maintaining a couple yard lead over the rest of the noize/scum pack. The
Unsane drop back in side b with a fairly generic track. Matter of fact it
sounds like the Cows' "Almost A God" from Dope, Guns, 'n' Fucking In The
Streets II. A good debut with a follow-up track on Scumbait #1 with the
Pagans, Cows, and Bastards, also on Treehouse and equivalent to DGF. How come
Minneapolis has two almost identical labels? Contact the band at
 Unsane NYC: c/o Spencer, PO Box 1828, NYC, NY, 10009.
Pretty decent.

3.Cop Shoot Cop -- RBT Tilton Handjob etc. b/w Eggs For Rib (Vertical Records)
 The all-bass, non-Roland, band sends the ole' righteous message to America
with their debut domestic release. Samples which were inaudible live predominate
the first side, RBT Tilton Handjob taking excerpts from a TV evangelist
(Swaggert?). Eggs For Rib is more standard, all-bass, no gtr fare which pretty
much defies comparison (a more violent JD w/o guitars, maybe not). Good to
see this one finally come out. Try the label at
 Vertical Records: c/o Jim S., PO Box 65034, WDC 20035-5034.
Pretty excellent.

4.feedtime -- Suction lp (Rough Trade Records)
 feedtime's fourth and last album finds them applying their patented technique
to different genres. Kinda similiar to Cooper-S in that sense, though these
are all originals and feedtime does have some trademark songs. They slime their
way through a bluegrass hit, grunge a path through an AOR hit, and more all
with that low-fi rumble of a bass. Strange item of the week: feedtime does
an almost-straight gospel tune. How this ever happened I have no clue.
Produced by Butch Vig of Killdozer. Oh yeah, suction means giving sexual favors
in the music industry, a recurring theme for most of ya. Pretty boggling.

Capsule shit (15 words or less)
a.Eleventh Dream Day -- New one (Atlantic Records!)
 Uh, maybe not. Lame AOR dinosaur. Pretty generic.
b.Melvins -- New one (Boner Records)
 No, don't think so. Wankin' psychedelia. Pretty pathetic.
c.Sex Clark 5 -- Battle of (Skyclad Records)
 College radio fodder. Boppy some and poor man's Game Theory some.
Pretty pretty/pedestrian.

If ye seek and no find, you can try Pied Platters in Hoboken. Ask me for an
address.

Ken


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  wacked out geekiness
Date: 11 Dec 1989 22:33:46 EST

Sorry if this is old shit, but can anyone describe what the
Crispin Glover album sounds like?

/j/


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Various shit
Date: 11 Dec 1989 22:32:45 EST

Why would anyone care about Front Line Assembly live?  They sucked
so bad it wasn't even funny, and I can take a hell of a lot of leeway
in the quality of my industrial disco shit.  They haven't made a good
song in a few years and they played none of them live and the ones
they did play live sounded EXACTLY like the records except that Bill
Leeb threw in a bunch of fuzzed out guitar drones in between songs
and that was only cos he didn't wanna look like a technoweenie standing
behind his arsenal of synths while the next diskette finished loading.

They were the epitome of how bad a live industrial dance outfit can
be.  Fortunately, they were followed up by Meat Beat Manifesto who
showed us the absolute tops of how GOOD a live industrial dance
band can be.  ANd 90% of their show was on DAT anyway!

Speaking of which, has anyone seen "Armed Audio Warfare" yet?  How
about a release date?  Compact disc?  I Need a fix, bad...

/j/
"Here it is... BAM! And you say GODDAMN, this is the dope jam."


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From: Allyn Hardyck <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kaiser
Date: 11 Dec 1989 21:12:00 PST

The only connection I've had with him is that the bassist in his usual
backing band around here runs the East Bay Vivarium, where a lot of people
I know have worked.  They played one wine dinner at Barrington and pissed
people off playing mostly Dead covers.  Left within half an hour.

(Side note:  Until recently the Vivarium was right next to the now-demolished
Cypress structure.  It wasn't destroyed, but the shock wave from the collapse
was so strong that it overturned several aquariums and lots of lizards,
geckos, scorpions, tarantulas etc. escaped into the neighborhood.)

I forgot to mention the last wine dinner, as Barringtonians are cast
into the diaspora.  Caroliner Rainbow, Tragic Mulatto and Primus all played.
Though my enjoyment was sort of cut down by the finality of it plus some
back trouble.

Alternative video:  Well let me throw out a few ideas though I don't have
much of the picture.  Seems like most of the independent labels sell at least
one tape of their bigger bands, but I can't think of a company where you can
easily get them under one roof.  (Wayside?  Ooze?)  This company Spectrum
Video seems to carry a pretty good chunk of indie-type videos, though you
have to wade through the likes of Night Ranger entries to get to them in the
catalog.  Facets in Chicago carries a reasonable selection of "artistic"-type
videos, old and/or relatively obscure films on video etc.  Maybe in renting
one you'll notice an address on it that'll point you somewhere else.  The
RE/Search "Incredibly Strange Films" issue had some addresses for companies
carrying the types of films they mentioned.  (But those wouldn't be cutting
edge/digito/samploproductions by a long shot.)  Heck, here are some addresses:

Spectrum Music Video:  P.O. Box 1128 Norristown PA  19404  [phone]
Facets Multimedia:  1517 W. Fullerton Ave. Chicago IL  60614  [phone]

Getting a multi-format VCR will probably make things more flexible in
your search.  This company down in Florida is making ones that don't
need multi-format monitors, but the cheapest is about $500.

Hmm...  Spectrum seem to carry a tape of the Bill Grundy interview...

allyn


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From: mas1![e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Subject: Re^2: Suck Dog
Date: 11 Dec 1989 19:38:30 PST

Ann:
>recent reviews of Suckdog sound suspicously like the girls
>have listened to at least one GG Allin record in their lifetimes...

    Yeah.  From what I understand, Lisa and Costes are
    GG Allin groupies, hence, the parallels.


mike


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From: mas1![e-mail] (m. rizzi)
Subject: for John Hogge
Date: 11 Dec 1989 20:25:15 PST


John,
    Couldn't get a path to your machine, so i'll clutter up the
    list with a public reply.

    On Wed. Dec. 13th, the Mekons will be at the Kennel Club in SF
    (not exactly noize, but fun nonetheless!).  If all works out,
    I'll be going.

    My numbers are [phone] [home] and [phone]  [work].


cheers
mike rizzi


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From: ihlpb![e-mail]
Subject: Re: Crispy wax
Date: 12 Dec 1989 09:43 CST

Jon wroteth and I quoteth:
> Sorry if this is old shit, but can anyone describe what the
> Crispin Glover album sounds like?
>
> /j/

Hey, shouldn't this be on the teen list?  After all, the teen queen mama
like calls Crispy up and visits his house all the time.  Of course, if
ya want an un-biased opinion, then just ignore anything she sez.

Surfin' with Dave, Satan, Santa, and all the little Devils and Elves


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From: Doug Alan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Various shit
Date: 12 Dec 1989 18:27:03 EST

Drukface is full of shitt.  Front Line Assembly were pretty good.
Nothing great, but at least worth staying for.  Meat Beat Manifesto
were ludicrous.  It was all on tape except the rapper's voice.  And
the guys in Godzilla costumes pirouetting around on stage got really
old fast.  At least I won a pile of free records in Wax Trax's prize
bononza to make that hour of my life gone worthwhile.  The Suicide CD
I won really sucks though.  Stay away from this record -- it's
completely boring and lame, other than that Paulina is on the cover.
It's too bad that before I could, someone else grabbed the pile with
the new Revolting Cocks CD in it.  Damn, it still hasn't been released
to stores, yet, has it?

|>oug


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From: Raymond Charles Caperoon <[e-mail]>
Subject: residents tour
Date: 12 Dec 1989 19:10:01 -0500 (EST)



does anyone have any details about the residents shows in NYC ?
Like where in NYC, etc....

thanks.


-ray


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From: Sam Duray <[e-mail]>
Subject: Request for a list of band names
Date: 12 Dec 1989 18:31:59 -0600


About 5 or 6 months ago, someone on the mailing list was collecting a list
a names that he could call his band.  I orignally had this list saved in
our temp directory, until the entire directory was erased.  So, I was
wondering if any one out there had saved the list, could you please e-mail
me a copy of the list.  I would greatly appreciate it.  Thanks.

Sam Duray
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (so i poured out my heart and soul, i said, i had fun)
Subject: Re:  wacked out geekiness
Date: 12 Dec 1989 11:02:04 PST

ohhhh, crispin glovers new album.

well, it starts off with him reading from 'rat catching', then he does a few
original songs.  interesting lyrics, (but then again, you can't expect much
else from dear crispin.)  the song 'auto-manipulator' is about masturbation,
a kind of rap song.  he covers 'the daring young man on the flying trapeze'
and 'these boots are made for walking' which is done in this bizarre howling
anguished moaning voice.  he does a charles manson cover, can't remember off
hand which one, then goes into about 4 more readings from what i think is
called 'oak mott' or something like that.
i'm confused about my feelings for this album.
on one hand, i worship his twisted personality and his deranged art, but on
the other hand, it's like TOO weird, almost incomprehensible.
but so what, i dig him.  and i know where he lives.


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Various shit
Date: 12 Dec 1989 21:54:55 EST

>Drukface is full of shitt.

Hey, he didn't even spell "shit" right.
Anyways, I guess you'll have to choose for yourself, dear reader,
cos we got a tragic split opinion here.

/j/


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From: David J Frerichs <[e-mail]>
Subject: agreement
Date: 12 Dec 1989 21:01:18 -0600


[In message "distorted reviews of SP" on Dec  9, David J Frerichs writes:]
: This being the last skinny puppy album of all time, it makes us say
: good riddence.
: It also proves a point that anything Mr. Jorgensen gets involved in, gets
: destroyed.

A heartfelt message of agreement here. Although I haven't heard Rabies yet,
I did hear Ministry's MIATTTW (and not only is Ogre mentioned in the credits
but David Ogilvie is singing and partially producing almost every song).
This new Ministry album is SHIT! I am sorry if I am offending some people,
but I see absoultely no musical value in any of the songs on the whole
fucking album.  It isn't that they are just unoriginal, but they didn't even
copy any style or theme which had any merits originally.  The screaming
sounds like mindless bantering, the guitars don't play any distinguishable
notes, and you can't hear any synths over the stupid drums.

: The hostility that surounded the making of this album is evident everywhere
: you look.  You can tell which songs cKey did by himself.  The whole album
: had the feel of the Beatles White Album in the effect that each band member
: was just using the others for studio help, not working on a unified front.

Well, this was also the case during the making of VIVIsect VI, and I knew
they were going downhill from the first time I heard this album (I had
renewed hope after hearing the 12" single of Testure, with those two
nice bonus tracks, but oh well...).

: Also interesting are the goodbye messages of nOgre and cKey. Where Nivek
: bemoans the breakup and Key tells nivek to fuckoff and accuses him of chasing
: after quick easy money with Mr. Jorgensen.

What goodbye messages? Is there actual TEXT for people to read on their
new album? I can't wait...

: The real question is, why? Why did nivek and Rave turn into boot and ass
: licking Jorgensen followers and ruin Skinny Puppy, a band that was 10000 times
: more real and popular than the drug induced waste that was Ministry.

Hearing what Nivek and Rave are capable of doing without cKey, I think the
real question is, "why the hell did cKey need them in the first place?"
I'd like to hear him form another band on his own (or jump into Tear Garden
with both feet).

--
S. Alan Ezust                                   [e-mail]
McGill University Department of Computer Science - Montreal, Quebec, Canada


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From: Mike Trogni <[e-mail]>
Subject: Live Industrial Dance (i hate that genre-name)
Date: 12 Dec 1989 21:54:51 -0600

Jon ([e-mail]) was complaining about the Front Line Assembly
show and then Doug Alan says exactly the opposite.  The only good
industrial dance live shows I've ever seen were Ministry in a ~600
person space on their last tour and the old Revolting Cocks at
Medusa's, a teen-juice bar in Chicago at the end of 87.  At both shows
there was plenty of live music, hardly anything taped.  And the best
part of the Ministry show was when they stopped playing the SYNTHS and
started chopping on their guitars.  You can do industrial dance live,
it just takes some musical talent and guts, plus a willingness to say
"fuck the audience"  which is what happened at the RevCo show (and may
be a vital ingredient to great music in general).

This leads to the absolutely worst concert I have ever attended
in about four years.  So I travel up to Chicago to see Thrill Kill Kult
expecting something akin to Psychic TV live (which was pretty good, but
I guess they are hit or miss live) but after shelling out $10 (and being
the oldest person in line, also feeling out of place because I didn't have
black eyeshadow underlining my eyes or black Bauhaus-era cloaks covering
thin body.  The DJ was playing disco music non-stop, the opening band
cancelled, and I had to deal with disco for about three hours.  People
eventually started chanting "disco sucks, disco sucks" (remember, this
is chicago, home of the White Sox Comiskey Park Disco Demolition) and
finally the boyz come out, two synths on each side that probably weren't
even plugged into the sound system, the lead guy in TKK stage left controlling
the tapes, and some sleazy dancers.  Man, all I can say is that its been
done before and done much, much better (witness the video of "you goddamned
son of a bitch" recorded at the Metro, RevCo).

If a industro band has people that can actually play instead of just
computer MIDI a song, and are interested in making music rather than just
playing tapes, then I'll go.  If they are stupid people that think they
can get away with a taped show, I won't go.  I was really mad after that
show.  I should have saved my $ for Alien Sex Fiend.

mike


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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: Degenerates national tour info
Date: 12 Dec 1989 22:52:21 CST

(NOTE Dallas--I spotted two of the new Head of David CD's at Underground
Records used for a dirt cheap $10...go get 'em.)

Degenerates played a one-stop tour in Shreeevport Louisiana @ Clug U4EA.
We sucked, so what else is new?  But the opener "Roach Heaven" had them
slamming, making me feel like it's all worth while.  My short drum solo drew
light applause, which is kind of unusual/shameful for punks.  But some people
just can't recognize a hack band when they see one--we were asked for
cassettes, where our next tour stop was, etc.  Ha ha ha,,,

Gods Favorite Dog played next.  They are a combined ripoff of all the bands
on the excellent Gods Favorite Dog compilation, from the sounds of it, as
their mail vocals did very Killdozer type things, they covered the Buttholes
about three times, they did funny covers including Madonna (their female
vocalist is excellent), they covered Beetles and Zeppelin in very bizarre
ways...they're based near Shreeevport, so if you see them play in Dallas
it's worth catching, even if they can't play their guitars.  I left during
some lame Skinnard cover.

--John


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re:  wacked out geekiness
Date: 12 Dec 1989 22:36 MST


>Sorry if this is old shit, but can anyone describe what the
>Crispin Glover album sounds like?

File under:  What-if-Daniel-Johnston-or-Jandek-actually-had-money-
and-entertainment-biz-connections-but-lacked-talent-(or-if-not-
talent-then-whatever-makes-DJ-or-J-interesting).

Then again, maybe I'm wrong, but the first listen sure *sounded*
like a pointless college radio novelty.  Is Crispin Glover supposed
to be famous or something?

soren


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hofmann 5577)
Subject: Re:  Re^2: Suck Dog vs. GG
Date: 13 Dec 1989 10:29:49 -0500

The latest on GG is that he was in jail for burning a women in
Ann Arber.  Typical rapist spiel - he claims she "wanted it".  The
judge is VERyyyy confused ...  Has he gone to trial yet?


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hofmann 5577)
Subject: NAmes for bands
Date: 13 Dec 1989 10:44:00 -0500


Band name suggestions:

            Celtic Legion
            Target X
            Hide The Slippers
            Yen for Yen
            Cordial Assasin
            Lick
            Three Tense
            Bum
            Tres Cool
            Bullet Assault
            Panty Raid

All taken from Sunday's racing card at Laurel!






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From: Craig Gleason <[e-mail]>
Subject: Sludge update
Date: 13 Dec 1989 8:49:17 MST

> 3.Cop Shoot Cop -- RBT Tilton Handjob etc. b/w Eggs For Rib (Vertical Records)
>  The all-bass, non-Roland, band sends the ole' righteous message to America
>with their debut domestic release.Samples which were inaudible live predominate
> the first side, RBT Tilton Handjob taking excerpts from a TV evangelist
> (Swaggert?).

No doubt it's Robert Tilton, hero of many songs.  He's all over Blackhouse's
"Five Minutes After I Die," and stars in Madison County Sound Labs' "Tilton's
Excrement."

Craig
"Why not be black?"
"I don't want to be black."
"Think about it, John, it could be a good move for you.  Why not be black?"


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From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <[e-mail]>
Subject: reposting of Hanatarash, etc (sorry if it's a duplicate)
Date: 13 Dec 1989 10:19:37 -0500 (EST)

I guess this never made it out of my cave, so here it is again ...

There's a new Hanatarash album ("3") out now on RRR. Hanatarash are a
japanese band who make some pretty dense noise. Kind of like Merzbow or
the better Whitehouse or Ramleh records, but with a lot more variety and
intensity. This is a great album, I reccomed it.

"Fixing" the 120 minutes all-request show seems like a pretty futile
thing to me, even if everyone who reads this list sends a letter
requesting something "good" (as if everyone could decide on that) it
probably still won't be enough "votes" to "see" your "pick." The fucking
thing is probably already fixed by CBS or Warners, and you'll have no
chance of seeing "TV Party" even, I'll bet. Myself, I won't be tuning
in. I did last week for the first time in about a year, and had to
switch over to the nashville network for some swamp buggy racing until
the BAd Brains and Meat Puppets came on. And neither of those were
great. Everything else totally blew.

Got a new(?) Whitehouse 7" yesterday, it's pretty good. The songs are
>from 84 and 85 ("Thank your Lucky Stars" and "Sadist"). I generally
think of Whitehouse as sort of an unintentional comedy band. They really
aren't all that intense or scary (well, a couple of records are), but
mostly funny in a lyrically pathetic sort of way. Oh by the way, it says
"William Bennet has no dick" on the spine of the new Hanatarash album,
that explains a lot. I had heard that Touch and Go was going to put out
the next Whitehouse album, I wonder if that was true. If so, what
happened to the damn thing?

I finally heard the new Mudhoney reocrd, and I thought that it was
pretty good actually. Other groovy new stuff: Nice Strong Arm ep,
Vertigo 7', Sun Ra "Out There a Minute" lp (hey, Bill Hsu already told
you this), John Zorn "Spy vs. Spy" lp, Killdozer "12 Point Buck" lp,
Anthony Braxton "19 [Solo] Compositions", Cosimc Psychos "Go the Hack"
lp. If anyone wants reviews of any of these, let me know. Got no more
time right now.

Ralph W. Llama
Class of 1997?


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From: Suzanne Rodday <[e-mail]>
Subject:      R.E.M.
Date: 13 Dec 1989 13:08:11 EST


Have any books about the band R.E.M. been published?  Or just interviews
in various magazines?    If you know of any, could you send me mail with
title, publisher, and year if possible?

Thanks,

Suzanne Rodday
st401460@brownvm


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From: Christopher John Rapier <[e-mail]>
Subject: okay, so someone tell me about
Date: 13 Dec 1989 13:47:20 -0500 (EST)

merzbo

I hope I got the spelling right, this is getting really sick though, i'm
starting to enjoy (in a masochistic way) that japanese supernoise stuff.
I really got off on the hanatarash that I heard. Anybody got clue on
them?

later
chris "fgyvfhkugkuifgywelkjhgluirgyfiertuffedgluiw"


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From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)
Subject: Foraged Fodder Feeding
Date: 13 Dec 1989 09:11:53 PST


Regarding the indie video question, there are a few outlets, and
a number of people doing stuff, but not a whole let, compared to
the music thing.  Obviously in terms of independent film-making,
people like Richard Kern and Nick Zedd, as well as others less
famous such as Beth and Scott B, Alice Wittenstein, and so on,
have been putting things out.  I recommend checking out _Film
Threat_ magazine for info on this sort of thing.  In terms of music
video, the only really successful venture seems to have been Kurt
Kellison's Atavistic Video.  He's released stuff like live shows
>from Big Black, Savage Republic, and many others.  Write to him
at Atavistic Video, POB 578266, Chicago IL 60657-8266 for info.

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From: hoptoad!ksuvax1.cis.ksu.edu!lass (Dean R. Lass)
Subject: Foraged Fodder Feeding
Date: 13 Dec 1989 09:11:53 PST

>Does anyone know when the next issue of Forced Exposure is due? I'm
>curious because I recently subscribed, Jimmy and Byron cashed the check
>and sent me my Spacemen 3 single, but no mag yet. I have the D. Galas
>issue (from a friend) and it says "published quarterly" on the contents
>page. So is this "four times a year", "each quarter century", "each time
>Byron finds a quarter on the sidewalk", or what? Or is this going to be
>like New York Rocker, which cashed my check and then stopped publishing?
>Are my checks a jinx?

No, you're about right on.  Quarterly in their case means whenever
they feel like it and get around to it.  The Diamanda issue is the
last one; I'd expect the next one around late Jan at the earliest,
though can be surprising on occasion.  Not likely though.  Just sit
and wait, it'll show up eventually.  It's like Sound Choice; I never
expect it, I'm just pleased when it shows up.

>And why is Byron so hot-crotched about Spacemen 3? The single is pretty
>"So?" in my book.

Everyone is, I don't understand it either.  What's the point?  Go
out and buy a Hawkwind album if you like that stuff.


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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: Re: more on Mudhoney
Date: 13 Dec 1989 14:45:29 CST


I thought this was a definitive enough description of Mudhoney to warrant
forwarding.  --John

>From [e-mail] Sat Dec  9 17:34:38 1989
>Subject:      Re: HERE'S YOUR CHANCE TO SHINE.
>To: Bill Brougher <[e-mail]>
>
>
>MUDHONEY-- the current leaders of the Seattle, Washington GRUNGE Rock
>scene.
>
>Brief History:
>
>Mudhoney formed about a year ago after the demise of three loud Seattle area
>bands:  Green River, The Melvins, and Bundle of Hiss.  From this mess of
>unemployed musicians did MUDHONEY evolve.
>
>Mark Arm: Singer, Guitarist, Big Muff (former lead singer of Green River)
>Steve Tyler: Lead Guitarist, Super fuzz (early guitarist of Green River)
>Matt Luktin: Bass (former bassist of the Melvins)
>Dan Peterson: Drums (former drummer of Bundle of Hiss)
>
>Because of their association of the numerous bands they formerly played in,
>the group gained a HUGE local following.  After the release of their first
>single, "Touch me, I'm Sick," the band became well known throughout the US
>underground music scene.  When Sonic Youth covered "Touch me, I'm Sick,"
>Mudhoney became near rock stars in Britain.
>
>Mudhoney has toured the US, Britain (recorded some tracks for John Peel,
>while they were there), and Austrailia.
>
>Stuff that's out on vinyl by Mudhoney:
>
>"Touch me, I'm Sick"/"Sweet Young Thing Ain't Sweet No More" 45 (SUBPOP)
>"Superfuzz Bigmuff" EP (SUBPOP)
>"You Got it (Keep it outta my face)"/"Burn It Clean" 45 (SUBPOP)
>"This Gift"/"Baby, Help Me Forget" 45 (SUBPOP)
>"MUDHONEY" LP (SUBPOP)
>
>Mudhoney: "Halloween"/Sonic Youth: "Touch Me, I'm Sick" split 12" (BLASTFIRST)
>"The Rose" off of "SUBPOP 200" Compilation by SUBPOP records.
>"Hate the Police" off of "MONDOSTEREO" compilation.
>"Twenty-Four" off of "Dope, Guns, and FUCKING in the Streets" compilation
>              on the Amphetamine Reptile record label.
>
>What Do They Sound like?
>
>They sound a lot like the early Stooges (Iggy Pop's earliest band).  Well,
>actually a bit more modern.  The tempo varies from real fast to drone slow.
>On their album, the even have some songs that sound a bit country.  They're
>hard to classify!  Let me try to explain this way:
>
>>Screachy vocals to gargly whispers.
>>Heavy drums (best musician in the band)
>>Heavy Wah-Wah guitarist.
>>Heavy Bass (literally)
>
>Okay, so I still can't describe them.  They say their biggest influence is
>punk rock (from the '60's to present), and they love a band called the
>Vaselines (no, I haven't heard of them either).
>
>Do They Sound Like SoundGarden?
>
>Early Soundgarden or present Soundgarden?  Well, in a way they kinda do -- but
>not really.  Most all of the bands on Subpop records have the Seattle Grunge
>Sound.  This sound comprises of Screaming vocalists (screachy, but not
>metallic), guitars in your face, and heavy bass guitars.  (If you want to
>research the development of the Seattle sound, then buy the "DEEP SIX"
>compilation (C/Z records), "Another Pyrric Victory Complilation" (C/Z), and
>"SUBPOP 200" (SUBPOP).)
>
>Mudhoney and Soundgarden sound really different, but they have the same roots.
>Soundgarden sounds a lot like the early '70's rock, whereas Mudhoney sounds
>a bunch like late '60's pre-punk stuff.
>
>If you like Soundgarden, you'll probably like Skin Yard and Nirvana.  In my
>opinion, Nirvana is the best Subpop grunge band (I've seen 'em five times).
>Also, check out TAD -- the other Subpop band getting headlines.
>
>Hey, Seattle has produced some of the best underground music of the '80's.
>In addition to the Subpop label, look up the bands on the C/Z label, and
>the Popllama label -- Most all are great.


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From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)
Subject: Mothra vs NM-List
Date: 13 Dec 1989 10:30:15 PST


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From: Jon Drukman <hoptoad!GAFFA.MIT.EDU!jsd>
Subject: Mothra vs NM-List
Date: 13 Dec 1989 10:30:15 PST

>{regarding Front Line Assembly live}
>They were the epitome of how bad a live industrial dance outfit can
>be.  Fortunately, they were followed up by Meat Beat Manifesto who
>showed us the absolute tops of how GOOD a live industrial dance
>band can be.  ANd 90% of their show was on DAT anyway!

Man, what did MBM do when you saw them live?  I thought it was one
of the worst shows I've ever seen.  One guy back behind a lot of
equipment playing tapes, and another guy leaning into a mike and
looking almost as bored as I was.  Yeah, they had dancers, who were
mediocre, but obviously hadn't had much time to rehearse.  Maybe
by the time you saw them they'd rehearsed a little more, but that
certainly couldn't have saved the show.  Consolidated were almost
interesting compared to them.


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From: Chris Koenigsberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: agreement
Date: 13 Dec 1989 18:02:12 -0500 (EST)


> Excerpts from internet.new-music: 12-Dec-89 agreement David J
> [e-mail] (3346)

> This new ministry album is SHIT!..........The screaming sounds like
> mindless bantering, the guitars don't play any distinguishable notes,
> and you can't hear any synths over the stupid drums.

Wow, I was going to just ignore both these albums (Ministry and SP), but
if this is really true, it sounds great and I should listen. Thanks for
turning me on to it!

You're not putting me on, though, are you? Is it really mindless
bantering? (I hope so, if there's any meaning I'll be pissed) are there
really no distinguishable notes? (if I hear one, I'll shut it off) Can
you really not hear any synths? (If I hear one, I'll have to return the
album)


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From: [e-mail] (S Alan EZUST)
Subject: distorted reviews of SP
Date: 13 Dec 1989 18:01:23 EST

[In message "distorted reviews of SP" on Dec  9, David J Frerichs writes:]
:
: This being the last skinny puppy album of all time, it makes us say
: good riddence.
: It also proves a point that anything Mr. Jorgensen gets involed in, gets
: destroyed.

A heartfelt message of agreement here. Although I haven't heard Rabies yet,
I did hear Ministry's MIATTTW (and not only is Ogre mentioned in the credits
but David Ogilvie is singing and partially producing almost every song).
This new ministry album is SHIT! I am sorry if I am offending some people,
but I see absoultely no musical value in any of the songs on the whole
fucking album. It isn't that they are just unoriginal, but they didn't even
copy any style or theme which had any merits originally. The screaming
sounds like mindless bantering, the guitars don't play any distinguishable
notes, and you can't hear any synths over the stupid drums.

: The hostility that surounded the making of this album is evident everywhere
: you look.  You can tell which songs cKey did by himself.  The whole album
: had the feel of the Beatles White Album in the effect that each band member
: was just using the others for studio help, not working on a unified front.

Well, this was also the case during the making of VIVISECT IV, and I knew
they were going downhill from the first time I heard this album (I had
renewed hope after hearing the 12" single of Testure, with those two
nice bonus tracks, but oh well...).

: Also interesting are the goodbye messages of nOgre and cKey. Where nivek
: bemoans the breakup and Key tells nivek to fuckoff and accuses him of chasing
: after quick easy money with Mr. Jorgensen.

What goodbye messages? Is there actual TEXT for people to read on their
new album? I can't wait...

: The real question is, why? Why did nivek and Rave turn into boot and ass
: licking Jorgensen followers and ruin Skinny Puppy, a band that was 10000 times
: more real and popular than the drug induced waste that was Ministry.

Hearing what Nivek and Rave are capable of doing without cKey, I think the
real question is, "why the hell did cKey need them in the first place?"
I'd like to hear him form another band on his own (or jump into Tear Garden
with both feet).


--
S. Alan Ezust                                   [e-mail]
McGill University Department of Computer Science - Montreal, Quebec, Canada


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Live Industrial Dance (i hate that genre-name)
Date: 13 Dec 1989 18:37:41 EST

The thing about Meat Beat Manifesto is that there was a reason to go
see 'em - you couldn't get the incredible live visuals at home by
playing the record, unless you ate a lot of LSD beforehand, of
course.  |>oug is the only one of the five or so people I know
who caught the show that hated it.  The rest agreed it was pure
genius.

Skinny Puppy live a few years ago were great too - again, for the
visual part of the show.  I wouldn't go to a live industrialdance
thing now unless I were sure of a good presentation to go with
the sounds.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Ahh, The Very Things
Date: 13 Dec 1989 21:16:46 +0000



The Very Things

First lets zip back in time to 1978 and a band call The Cravats whos members
where:- The Shend - Bass and Vocals, Dave Bennett - Drums, Rob Dallaway -
Guitar and Yehudi Storageheater - Sax and Carinet. They where a noisy post
punk band with driving guitar and wailing sax, and they released seven singles
and two albums:-

Gordon/? 7" Small Wonder 1987

The End/Burning Bridges/I Hate The Universe 7" Small Wonder 1979

Precinct/Who's In Here With Me 7" Small Wonder 1980

Your Driving Me/I Am The Dreg 7" Small Wonder 1981

Off The Beach/And The Sun Shone 7" Small Wonder 1981

Rub Me Out/When Will We Fall 7" Crass 1982

Terminus/Little Yellow Froggy 7" Glass 1983

The Cravats In Toytown LP Glass 1983

Collosal Tunes Out LP Corpus Christi 1984

DaDa Cravat Laboratory 7" flexi free with above LP

After The Collosal Tunes Out Lp the band split and The Shend formed The Very
Things:- The Shend - Bass and Vocals, Robin Raymond - Guitar and Gordon Disney
Time - Drums. The Very Things also recorded as D.C.L. Locomotive, The
Babymen D.C.L., and The Cravats D.C.L. and at some
point in 1985 The Shend gave up playing bass to concentrate on vocals, but I
can't remember the new bass players name. Their releases are:-

The Gong Man/The Colours(Are Speaking To Me) 7" Corpus Christi 1984

D.C.L. Locomotive - King Midas In Reverse/The Kings Broadcast/The Last Black
Tile/Kmir Test Five 12" Reflex 1985

The Bushes Scream While My Daddy Prunes/? 7" Reflex 1985

The Bushes Scream While My Daddy Prunes LP Reflex 1985

Dada Cravat Laboratory (#2) 7" flexi free with above LP

Mummy You're A Wreck/When Father Papered The Parlour/The Light Pours Out Of
Mummys House 12" Reflex 1985

The Cravats D.C.L. - Land Of The Giants/? 12" Reflex 1985

This Is Motortown/This Is Motortown(solid chrome mix)/? 12" D.C.L. 1986

The Babymen D.C.L. - For King Willy/? 12" One Little Indian 1987

This Is Motortown LP One Little Indian? 1987

The Very Things where alot more consistant, sound wise, than The Cravats and
peaked around 1985 with quite a faithfull indie following. This Is Motortown
was more mainstream but received very little recognition and their popularity
waned a bit. The Very Things have now split up, with The Shend acting in
Eastenders and The Bill.

Don't hesitate to ask questions..............


David.


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>
Subject: video
Date: 13 Dec 1989 17:52:07 -0600


Christopher Rapier's friend asks about alternative video. I assume
you mean both music videos and non-music videos.

Yes there's alternative video and outlets for it, mostly on community
access TV. Unfortunately the way things are set up, it probably will
never be as big as alternative music. Most community access TV is
on cable only, and the people who will probably be most interested
in independent video don't waste money on things like cable. If
broadcast community access TV becomes widespread (like community
radio) then I'm sure alternative video will really take off. Also
video equipment is so much more expensive than sound equipment.
Which is why community access TV is really important, for example
in Chambana you can rent a camcorder from the public library for
$5 a day and VCRs for same, while the local community cable station
will let you use stuff for free, but for approved projects for
the station (they've approved some pretty non-mainstream stuff;
cable TV tends to be less uptight than radio.)

Despite that, there are lots of people working outside mainstream
film/video circles. One decent zine for this is Film Threat,
which may or may not be still around. In its glory days a few
years ago it covered some of the most extreme shit; unfortunately
living in Chambana means I don't get to see most of this stuff
(tho I have seen a few Richard Kern things). More recently it's
been pretty boring and slick. My impression has been there are
pockets of independent film/video activity in most larger cities
(I know Chicago has one, but I've never had time to track them
down), but generally they're harder to find than people involved
in music. SF has a space called ATV (I think). They had a dubious
video installation when I was there but I've been assured they've
done some neat stuff. There's always Target Video in SF, with lotsa
hardcore-oriented stuff plus some SRL stuff.

There's also a lot of independent film/video that's distributed
thru the more traditional competition etc channels. I've seen
some of this stuff from the '60s and '70s (sat in on a class);
some really wonderful stuff and a lot of dogs.

Allyn mentioned Facets Multimedia in Chicago. Worth a pilgrimage
if you're ever in the area. It's simply the most amazing video
rental place I've been to in the country (even Dallas, which for
a plastic chrome and glass yuppie town sure has a lot of incredible
video places, hi John). They put out a catalog every once in awhile,
get lots of cool new stuff in. An incredible collection of
independent film from the '60s thru '80s, odd things from Eastern
Europe, obscure performance vids (Peter Brook, Eric Bogosian,
Living Theatre, Ann Magnusson). They're horribly overpriced and
do mail rentals.

There's at least one Chicago club that has experimental film/vid
night (Edge of the Looking Glass), and most of the better dance
places have lots of WaxTrax material, if that's what you're into.

Bill


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From: [e-mail] (Mats Andersson)
Subject: Re:  agreement
Date: 14 Dec 1989 10:30:58 +0100

I read the article about Rabies , and I'm bound to agree on most points ..

But what I really are interested in is the thing about Tear garden

Do any of you (who seems to know about Cevin Key etc. ) if Tear Garden

Has realized anything else but Tired eyes slowly running ?

And if so do you know if it is available in CD (I have tired eyes on CD) ?

Happy if someone knows more than I do .

(Hmm,.,. I see a misspelling realized = realeased !)

/Mats Andersson ([e-mail])


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From: Barbara Stemm <[e-mail]>
Subject: GG
Date: 14 Dec 1989 08:53:25 -0600

I don't know if the judge is confused but GG is an awfully confused fellow.
I heard he is planning to top his last stunt (I guess the burning of the
woman,)  by committing suicide on stage.  YECH.

Suckdog never made it to Milwaukee, but I enjoyed the reviews.  GG did about
a year ago, defacated and was thrown in jail.  I'm sure if Suckdog played
they would have ended up in jail.  Oh well, so goes for smaller cities.

Personally I rather enjoyed Beautiful Bert and the Crotch Crickets, but
thats old hat from (?) three years ago.

By the way anything happening in Chicago Dec 25 -27 that might be of
interest?  I saw Bill posting jazz stuff but I'm not interested in
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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hofmann 5577)
Subject: hoFmAnn'S BEST OF '89!!!
Date: 14 Dec 1989 09:40:24 -0500


Yep-o-roonie!  It's that time of the year again when I foist my worthless

ARTIST OF THE YEAR:  Professor Griff
BEST ALBUM:  "Drugs Are Nice" - Suckdog
BEST SINGLE:  "Electric Slide" - Marcia Griffiths
BEST BAND:  Negativland
BEST MALE SINGER:  Jad Fair
BEST FEMALE SINGER:  Sandra Bernhard
WORST ALBUM:  Batman Soundtrack (Prince)
WORST SINGLE:  "Electric Slide" - Bunny Wailer
WORST BAND - Milli Vanilli
WORST MALE SINGER - Jean Luc Costes
WORST FEMALE SINGER - Cher
BEST NEW AMERICAN BAND - Haunted Garage
BEST NEW FORIEGN BAND - Tabu Ley (Zaire)
BEST NEW MALE SINGER - Doug Henderson (Spongehead)
BEST NEW FEMALE SINGER - M.C. Lyte
BEST PRODUCER - David Z
BEST SONGWRITER - Paul Weller (Style Council)
BEST HEAVY-METAL BAND - Metallica
BEST R&B ARTIST - Marcia Griffiths
BEST RAP ARTIST - MAestro Fresh-Wes
BEST COUNTRY ARTIST - Exene Cervanka
BEST JAZZ ARTIST - Bongwater
BEST VIDEO - "Pump Up The Jam" - Technotronix  w/Felly
BEST ALBUM COVER - Marginal Man (Rachel Sengers)
BEST TOUR - Negativland
BEST RADIO STATION / CITY - WOL / Washington, DC (AM 1450)
WORST VIDEO - Lenny Cravitz dir by Lisa Bonet
WORST ALBUM COVER - Sonic Youth "Come And Smash Me"
WORST TOUR - Rolling Stones
BEST GUITARIST - Fred Smith (Strange Boutique)
BEST KEYBOARD PLAYER - Roger Miller
BEST BASS PLAYER - George Sully (Raunch Hands)
BEST DRUMMER - Vince Colucci (Sister Ray)
COMEBACK OF THE YEAR - B-52s
MOST UNWELCOME COMEBACK - Eurythmics
BEST-DRESSED MALE ROCK ARTIST - Heavy D
BEST-DRESSED FEMALE ROCK ARTIST - Kate Pierson
WORST DRESSED MALE ROCK ARTIST - Mick Jagger
WORST DRESSED FEMALE ROCK ARTIST - Cher
SEXIEST MALE ROCK ARTIST - Tom Pig
SEXIEST FEMALE ROCK ARTIST - Felly


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  okay, so someone tell me about
Date: 14 Dec 1989 11:29:55 -0600

It's Merzbow, but who cares anyway...

Back in the dark ages (ummm, make that mid '86 to early '88) when I
was like snapping up any noize that I could find, I vaguely remember
coming across some Merzbow stuff. He's very prolific, several lps,
lots of cassettes. I remember one on the old Cause and Effect label,
dense, interesting power electronics, decent but not terribly
outstanding or original. If you're interested in similar stuff (i.e.
early '80s style power electronics) I'd be looking into Controlled
Bleeding's Body Samples or the Art Barbeque lp (CB in disguise), or
some of the impossible-to-find CB tapes, early Blackhouse (much
easier to find) or Dog as Master's Black Body.

Bill


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From: Andrew Farmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Buzzcocks / Motorhead
Date: 14 Dec 1989 14:56:48 GMT


  Decided at the last minute to go and see the Buzzcocks last night at the
 Bristol studio. The place was packed to the gills with every kind of post-
 punk detritus, some curious, some adoring.
  The band were very popular. It's been a long time since I've seen any group
 as affectionately received here. Audience and band both seemed to be having
 big fun.
  They were OK, I guess. All the songs sounded exectly like the old recorded
 favorites we all hold so dear to our hearts. Only a couple of times did a
 song become more powerful than simply 'an old favorite'. 'Autonomy' was
 dead vicious and 'Oh Shit' was almost nasty. Almost.
  I was a bit disappointed, really. I went expecting to see an old band I
 love dearly play all the hits. They did exactly that. There were no new
 songs (unless they were cleverly disguised as old songs) and the sound
 owed nothing to any music made since 1980.
  Everybody else seemed happy enough. I just wanted to be a little surprised.

  The strange thing is that Motorhead (who I saw last Sunday) were incredible
 by comparison. I hate metal but I've always had a soft spot for the warty
 bastard Lemmy and his, uh, direct approach to guitar music. Motorhead were
 supremely silly, all cheap wind machines and blue lights. They also have
 the dirtiest guitar sounds in the universe. Motorhead revel in the
 ludicrous idea of four grown men standing on stage bashing out the same
 chords as they did a decade ago. Let's face it, rock music is stupid.

        Motorhead don't do drum solos.

        The Buzzcocks had a drum solo.

        I rest my case :-)

  Both gigs paled in comparison to a performance by brooding Manchester
 band Yargo a few months back. Their album ('Bodybeat', 1987) is a dull,
 almost jazz-funk piece of work. Live, they are awesome. They play with
 dub, funk and deep deep soul, emerging as a truly original dance-angst
 band for the nineties.

        arf

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From: Hopelessly in love w/Donna Reed <[e-mail]>
Subject: Untold Fables/Guitars
Date: 14 Dec 1989 10:26:01 PST


i heard a song called "I want a girl of my own" (something like that) by
The Untold Fables on our college station and i really liked it.  it was
during a show that seemed to be dominated by guitar stuff, old and new
(Stooges, Seeds, Swamp Zombies, Fuzztones).

can anyone tell me about this band, or better yet, the genre.  i really
liked the Fuzztones song i heard, as well as some of the other stuff, but
i don't know where to got or what to listen to from here.

can someone who knows (Hogge?) post or mail me a list of some good guitar
bands like this that i should check out?

thanks.

-dave


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>
Subject: replies to Mason and (D.) Modem
Date: 14 Dec 1989 12:02:27 -0600


Mason:

>people like Richard Kern and Nick Zedd, as well as others less
>famous such as Beth and Scott B, Alice Wittenstein, and so on,
>have been putting things out.

Umm Mason, you mean "more famous" right? Beth and Scott B have
been around longer than Kern/Zedd. The B's Black Box and Letters
to Dad are underground classics of the '80s (Letters is much more
interesting than Black Box btw) and Beth B directed the big budget
religion-bashing film (ARGH I forget the title) Salvation??? some
long one-word title. It's about this slimy TV evangelist who gets
into deep shit. Hilarious but not terribly subtle. Lots of
quotable lines (I taped a bunch for one of my Easter specials).

[Lots of frothing at the mouth from David J Frerichs and the Depeche
 Modem about Minpastry and Skinny Weenie, in particular...]

>This new ministry album is SHIT! I am sorry if I am offending some people,
>but I see absoultely no musical value in any of the songs on the whole
>fucking album. It isn't that they are just unoriginal, but they didn't even
>copy any style or theme which had any merits originally. The screaming
>sounds like mindless bantering, the guitars don't play any distinguishable
>notes, and you can't hear any synths over the stupid drums.

Let's see, from the above I infer that having musical value implies
that your guitars have to play distinguishable notes, and you have
to have synths over the (stupid) drums. Hmmm, maybe I should throw
out 80% of my collection (none of my jazz albums have any synths
over the stupid drums, sigh). But I guess if I stop pretending that
what I listen to has Musical Value, I'm ok.

Not to defend Minpastry (sorry Craig that was too clever) or anything,
but I've been hearing "So What" a lot when I go dancing (it's by
one of those Al J projects I can't tell them apart anymore) but
the guitars were definitely playing distinguishable notes some of
the time. They weren't terribly interesting distinguishable notes
tho. So maybe you bought some defective vinyl (or CD, what do you
make CD's out of anyway so you don't have to say "CD" all the time)
and should get a new copy. Or maybe too much Depeche Mode has induced
the notorious Lazy Ears Syndrome which can be easily fixed with a
12-hour Penderecki session.

Oh, I don't even like So What that much, it's ok to dance to. That
car crash song from Land of Rape and Honey is much more fun and
backbreaking.

Bill

"Beauty in music is too often confused with that which lets the ears
lie back in an easy chair."        --- Charles Ives


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hope sez read this
Date: 14 Dec 1989 13:08:29 EST

We're discussing the incipient return of The Partridge Family to our
screens over on the t.g. list.  Even tho' Susan Dey (who's the only
thing what made the darn show worth watching) is busy with LA Law, I
still drifted off into a reverie and came up with this script
treatment that Hope sez I should share with all you fun guys and
dolls...

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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  partridge family
Date: 14 Dec 1989 12:52:44 EST

I saw Danny Bonadduce on MTV's fine game show "Remote Control" a while
ago, along with Butch Patrick (Eddie Munster) and Billy Mumy (that
little jerk kid on Lost In Space).  Danny looked like shit and I can't
remember what he said he was doing or planning on doing but I'm kinda
certain that he didn't mention any major comeback TV series.
Personally, I'd like to see "The Partridge Family: 1990" where the
little boy (what was his name?) who played the drums goes to see a
Skinny Puppy show by mistake and turns them all into industrial disco
nuts.  Then they all come out wearing Big Black Hair and Big Black
Caked-On Eye Makeup and Laurie comes out in a fur bikini and takes a
piss into the catbox which Mom throws on the audience who all look
like Hitler youth except with pink satin ties and then suddenly a UFO
lands on stage and this alien thing which looks like ET with three
fifteen-foot dildo-like prostheses stage-rapes Mom and Laurie and the
little girl who didn't ever do anything (was her name Tracy?  Geez,
you'd think I'd be more In Tune with the Partridge Essence...)

Anyway, in Act Two, they get huge critical success, and turn an entire
generation onto the industrial scene and then Alien Jourgensen drops
in for a guest appearance and now we have a possibility for two
endings:

1. (If the network wants to make this a running series): They kick
Alien in the teeth and scalp him.  They continue to be popular and the
show goes on forever until Shirley Jones has no more face left to lift
and Laurie's tits sag to her knees.

2. (If they want a one-off special): Alien turns their next album into
a crock of shit and everybody suddenly hates them.  They vanish in a
haze of obscurity with everybody (including the dog) locked in this
ridiculous cycle of taking lots of crystal meth and fucking each other
up the ass.

Well whaddya think?  Lots of Network TV possibility here or what?
I think I'll fly out to LA tomorrow and start flogging the script.

Oh yeah, in Act Three I get to elope with Winona Ryder.

/j/
"Fuck me gently with a chainsaw, Heather."

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: reposting of Hanatarash, etc (sorry if it's a duplicate)
Date: 14 Dec 1989 13:38:11 EST

   Date: Wed, 13 Dec 89 10:19:37 -0500 (EST)
   From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <[e-mail]>

   "Fixing" the 120 minutes all-request show seems like a pretty futile
   thing to me...

Yuck.

Actually, I just tuned in to ``summing up the 80's philosophy'' bit on
MTV -- they used quite a bit of ``Stigmata'' in their video megamix
and, yes, ``TV Party'' too.  The people who do their in-house work
(like the promos) seem to have fun and even a little taste.

   Other groovy new stuff:
   Sun Ra "Out There a Minute" lp

I just picked up the CD Tuesday -- don't sweat the quavery piano, it's on
the CD too.  (I don't know if it's a slapdash remastering job or just
the way the master tapes are.)  This is a lot of fun.  I am no Ra devotee
(the only other stuff I've heard is on _Blue Delight_), but I may
become one.

   John Zorn "Spy vs. Spy" lp

Another good thing.  Tim Berne's stuff was reviewed on NPR Tuesday.
Miniature sounds pretty cool.  I've actually heard the bulk of Arcado
(has a lot of string arrangements) and liked it a lot, but it's hard
to find.


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject:  unm
Date: 14 Dec 1989 15:14 EST

un-new-music...

please excuse me from this list now.
thanks.

suzanne


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: hoFmAnn'S BEST OF '89!!!
Date: 14 Dec 1989 18:50:57 EST

   Date: Thu, 14 Dec 89 09:40:24 -0500
   From: Jim Hofmann 5577 <[e-mail]>

   Yep-o-roonie!  It's that time of the year again when I foist my worthless

   BEST KEYBOARD PLAYER - Roger Miller

A minor nit-pick: Roger went back to primarily playing guitar this
year, so maybe he's disqualified/disqualifying himself for this.
Aside from that, I enjoyed your picks.

-30-
Bob

"Right theory, wrong universe."


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From: microsoft![e-mail]
Subject: no means ruin
Date: 14 Dec 1989 18:50:57 EST

I've heard a song purportedly from the new "NoMeansNo" album, but I
didn't hear the name of it.  It's got a lot of incredibly furious
bass guitar with a really neat hook (goes kinds like: twang-a-dit-dit
thong--thwip).  Anyone heard it?  [learn it, pat, you'll be godlike]

Also, did that long awaited Foetus come out?  Or are we still long
awaiting?

bill gallagher :: ...!uunet!microsoft!billga  :: (206) 882 - 4929
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From: [e-mail] (S Alan EZUST)
Subject: skinny puppy question
Date: 14 Dec 1989 22:38:23 EST

I have a question about Bill Leeb and Skinny Puppy. I heard that
Leeb was in Skinny Puppy at once time but left in disgust by the way
the group was organized.

But when he was in the group, what stuff did they put out? If anyone
can tell me what album names, years, or whatever, I'd appreciate it.


--
S. Alan Ezust                                   [e-mail]
McGill University Department of Computer Science - Montreal, Quebec, Canada


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From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Ahh, The Very Things
Date: 15 Dec 1989 09:16:02 -0500 (EST)


The Cravats are one of my favorite bands, so I just gotta ask, in reference to:

>waned a bit. The Very Things have now split up, with The Shend acting in
>Eastenders and The Bill.

What character is he on Eastenders? I've seen the show and I'm just
curious as to who he plays.

Thanks,
Ralph


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From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: reposting of Hanatarash, etc (sorry if it's a duplicate)
Date: 15 Dec 1989 09:29:13 -0500 (EST)

rpk's talkin about:

   Other groovy new stuff:
   Sun Ra "Out There a Minute" lp

I just picked up the CD Tuesday -- don't sweat the quavery piano, it's on
the CD too.  (I don't know if it's a slapdash remastering job or just
the way the master tapes are.)  This is a lot of fun.  I am no Ra devotee
(the only other stuff I've heard is on _Blue Delight_), but I may
become one.

   John Zorn "Spy vs. Spy" lp

Another good thing.  Tim Berne's stuff was reviewed on NPR Tuesday.
Miniature sounds pretty cool.  I've actually heard the bulk of Arcado
(has a lot of string arrangements) and liked it a lot, but it's hard
to find.

I sez:
Yeah, it's probably the master tape on the Sun Ra album. All of that
stuff is at least 20 years old, so I'd expect a bit of noise or damage
on the tapes. Watch out, it's easy to become a Sun Ra fanatic. Tim Berne
has a new album out as well called "Fractured Fairy Tales" on JMT. If
you have trouble finding any of his stuff, or any other jazzular
releases, you can probably get them from Cadence - which is a good
distributor who do mail order stuff. Let me know if you need their
address.
Ralph


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  skinny puppy question
Date: 15 Dec 1989 09:58:43 EST

>I have a question about Bill Leeb and Skinny Puppy. I heard that
>Leeb was in Skinny Puppy at once time but left in disgust by the way
>the group was organized.
>But when he was in the group, what stuff did they put out? If anyone
>can tell me what album names, years, or whatever, I'd appreciate it.

I'm sure Greg Earle will know the answer to this, but just in case...
When Leeb was with Puppy, he went under the name Wilhelm Schroder.
According to the liner notes of my "Bites" cassette, "Wilhelm Schroder
plays bass synth on icebreaker and the choke." On "Mind: The Perpetual
Intercourse" he does "back voice" on Stairs and Flowers.  In other
words, some very minor contributions, and I don't think it's really
fair to claim that he was "in the band" since he's always listed under
"guest artists." As for why he stopped working with them after Mind
TPI, it's anybody's guess.  Personally, I think he hit his high point
with Front Line Assembly's "Corrosion," although I haven't heard Noise
Unit or Delerium yet.  Hopefully they'll be better than the recent FLA
stuff.



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From: [e-mail] (Sho Kuwamoto)
Subject: MTV
Date: 15 Dec 1989 10:27:53 -0500


>Actually, I just tuned in to ``summing up the 80's philosophy'' bit on
>MTV -- they used quite a bit of ``Stigmata'' in their video megamix
>and, yes, ``TV Party'' too.  The people who do their in-house work
>(like the promos) seem to have fun and even a little taste.

Yeah, the best song they play on a regular basis is the theme song
to News at Nite...

-Sho
--
[e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (S Alan EZUST)
Subject: Re:  skinny puppy question
Date: 15 Dec 1989 10:42:23 EST

[In message "Re:  skinny puppy question" on Dec 15, Jon Drukman writes:]

talking about bill leeb
: Personally, I think he hit his high point
: with Front Line Assembly's "Corrosion," although I haven't heard Noise
: Unit or Delerium yet.  Hopefully they'll be better than the recent FLA
: stuff.

Actually I just got Corrosion and it is quite good. I wouldn't even
be surprised if this is how Industrial Music got its name, but anyway....
If you like this album, you should also like my tied-for-favorite album by
these guys, "The Initial Command".

And Delerium is excellent. I have Morpheus, but haven't managed to get
ahold of the other two albums by them, as they are not on CD...

I have friends who have heard the noise unit album and weren't terribly
impressed though, so if I were you I wouldn't buy it until I heard it
first... Apparently it sounds like typical FLA but not quite as
innovative, more repetative, a little boring, etc etc...

Thanks for that info about Wilhelm... I was wondering who that guy was...



--
S. Alan Ezust                                   [e-mail]
McGill University Department of Computer Science - Montreal, Quebec, Canada


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From: Neil Anthony Herzinger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: skinny puppy question
Date: 15 Dec 1989 11:10:28 -0500 (EST)

When he helped out in skinny puppy he was billed as Wilhelm Schroeder or
something similar.  I only remember him doing something on 'Chainsaw'
and something on 'Bites' or 'Remission'.  I have also heard that he was
'in' the band, maybe previous to the 'Remission' release?  Anyone else
know?

neil


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From: [e-mail]  (Gordon Lee@Eng@Banyan)
Subject:  Boston Bootleg
Date: 15 Dec 1989 11:38:52 EST

>From: [e-mail] (Brian Berns x26)
>
>Speaking of Harvard Square, there's a guy who's been banging away on a small
>drum set the last few sundays I've been out there.  It might be too cold now,
>but he was *amazing*.  Had swarms of people just bopping like mad all by
>himself, cranking away.  Sounded great.  Anybody heard this guy, know anything
>about him?
>

Don't be shy, he's a human being, Go up and ask him.
It's not like he's on the other side of a television.

  "Hi, that's great, where'd you learn to play like that ?"


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: The Shend
Date: 15 Dec 1989 16:54:16 +0000



>The Cravats are one of my favorite bands, so I just gotta ask, in reference to:

>>waned a bit. The Very Things have now split up, with The Shend acting in
>>Eastenders and The Bill.

>What character is he on Eastenders? I've seen the show and I'm just
>curious as to who he plays.

Sorry Ralph, I haven't watched Eastenders for about 2 years. But I've been
told he has had a small part in the past couple of months, so I don't suppose
he's been on in amelika yet. You'll just have to take it like a man and keep
watching.

David. (Is my .sig there?)


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From: "Loden,Tom , MIT Lincoln Lab" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Eric Boucher (sp?)
Date: 15 Dec 1989 14:06:45 EST

Did anyone happen to catch 'Oprah Winfrey' on Thursday (12/14/89)?? Rumor
has it that Jello Biafra was on with a bunch-o-rappers and Tipper Gore.
I found out about it today (12/15) and am sorry I missed it (I think). Sounds
like it could have been quite the show. Reviews? Impressions? Quotes?

Tom.


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From: [e-mail] (Keith Gabryelski)
Subject: Re: Hope sez read this
Date: 15 Dec 1989 13:51:34 EST

>Danny Bonadduce looked like shit and I can't remember what he said he
>was doing or planning on doing but I'm kinda certain that he didn't
>mention any major comeback TV series.

Danny was doing DJ shit here in Philly on one of those ``I forgot
disco wasn't dead'' radio stations.

Pax, Keith


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From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)
Subject: Toddlers As Pushers
Date: 15 Dec 1989 10:12:37 PST


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From: Christopher John Rapier <hoptoad!andrew.cmu.edu!cr10+>
Subject: Toddlers As Pushers
Date: 15 Dec 1989 10:12:37 PST

>merzbo
>
>I hope I got the spelling right, this is getting really sick though, i'm
>starting to enjoy (in a masochistic way) that japanese supernoise stuff.
>I really got off on the hanatarash that I heard. Anybody got clue on
>them?

You actually mean Merzbow, Japanese noise group extraordinare.  They've
typically been more electronic-noise oriented than some of the other
Japanese noise groups like Hanatarash, Dissecting Table, YBO^2 and the
like.  Merzbow is apparently two people, but it used to seem as though
it was one person.  So, I'm not sure about that.  But anyway, the group's
been around for quite some time, released literally hundreds of tracks
on compilations, and had several albums released.  One of my favorite
pieces by them is a mail-collaboration with P16.D4 on the latter's
CD 'Acrid Acme.'  Good stuff.  I've also got a great noisy cassette
Merzbow did with the Haters.  Sheer white noise static with an interesting
texture.  You can order some Merzbow LPs from RRRecords, but they'll
cost you about $20, as do most of the Jap noise LPs.  I recommend Off
Mask 00 strongly for another Jap noise group, rather Stooges-inspired.
Dissecting Table is one of my favorites for a noisy beat-oriented LP.
Hard to go wrong on the Jap stuff as far as I've been able to tell, Jeff
and I have tons.  By the way, Merzbow is hopefully going to be playing
here in SF at 455 10th in the spring.  We'll keep you posted.

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From: Chris Koenigsberg <hoptoad!andrew.cmu.edu!ckk+>
Subject: Toddlers As Pushers
Date: 15 Dec 1989 10:12:37 PST

>> Excerpts from internet.new-music: 12-Dec-89 agreement David J
>> [e-mail] (3346)
>
>> This new ministry album is SHIT!..........The screaming sounds like
>> mindless bantering, the guitars don't play any distinguishable notes,
>> and you can't hear any synths over the stupid drums.
>
>Wow, I was going to just ignore both these albums (Ministry and SP), but
>if this is really true, it sounds great and I should listen. Thanks for
>turning me on to it!
>
>You're not putting me on, though, are you? Is it really mindless
>bantering? (I hope so, if there's any meaning I'll be pissed) are there
>really no distinguishable notes? (if I hear one, I'll shut it off) Can
>you really not hear any synths? (If I hear one, I'll have to return the
>album)

You'll be disappointed, trust me.  The new Ministry album isn't shit.
I don't like it much, but it's got basically speed metal drums and
guitar with some yelling.  If it were like he described above, it
would be much better than it really is.  As it is, it's simply rather
uninspired, insipid, and pretty boring.

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From: Jon Drukman <hoptoad!GAFFA.MIT.EDU!jsd>
Subject: Toddlers As Pushers
Date: 15 Dec 1989 10:12:37 PST

>The thing about Meat Beat Manifesto is that there was a reason to go
>see 'em - you couldn't get the incredible live visuals at home by
>playing the record, unless you ate a lot of LSD beforehand, of
>course.  |>oug is the only one of the five or so people I know
>who caught the show that hated it.  The rest agreed it was pure
>genius.

Well, you know that I hated it, Jeff hated it, and Macro hated it.
So that's a bunch more.  Incredible live visuals?  Thanks, I needed
something this morning to make me laugh.  But you already know my
opinions on it.

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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <hoptoad!uicsrd.csrd.uiuc.edu!hsu>
Subject: Toddlers As Pushers
Date: 15 Dec 1989 10:12:37 PST

>Despite that, there are lots of people working outside mainstream
>film/video circles. One decent zine for this is Film Threat,
>which may or may not be still around. In its glory days a few
>years ago it covered some of the most extreme shit; unfortunately
>living in Chambana means I don't get to see most of this stuff
>(tho I have seen a few Richard Kern things). More recently it's
>been pretty boring and slick. My impression has been there are
>pockets of independent film/video activity in most larger cities
>(I know Chicago has one, but I've never had time to track them
>down), but generally they're harder to find than people involved
>in music. SF has a space called ATV (I think). They had a dubious
>video installation when I was there but I've been assured they've
>done some neat stuff. There's always Target Video in SF, with lotsa
>hardcore-oriented stuff plus some SRL stuff.

Film Threat -- still around, good attitude, contents vary a lot.
The latest one's got good stuff and stupid stuff.
SF -- the place is ATA, Artists' Television Access.  Good people,
apparently, and they put on some essential shows.
Target Video -- stay away.  Bad material, horrible quality, and the
guy's a major asshole.  Like the "live" Avengers video.  Right.  Live
video, alright, with the album sound dubbed over.  What an asshole.

>Allyn mentioned Facets Multimedia in Chicago. Worth a pilgrimage
>if you're ever in the area. It's simply the most amazing video
>rental place I've been to in the country (even Dallas, which for
>a plastic chrome and glass yuppie town sure has a lot of incredible
>video places, hi John). They put out a catalog every once in awhile,

SF's got a few great ones, Naked Eye video on lower Haight being one
of the best.  A rather large selection of independent video, from
Kern and Beth and Scott B. to 'Betaville,' 'Cathode Fuck,' and more.
And they're very happy to order anything you can get them the address
for, as well.  Only place I've ever seen SPK's 'Despair' and 'Autopsy'
videos both for rent.


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      Mason Jones, H&A Computer Services, San Francisco, CA
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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: Romeovoid CDs?
Date: 15 Dec 1989 17:10:56 CST


I know this is ultimately uncool, but back when (some of) you guys were
grooving to stuff like The Nails and Romeovoid and The Cure and so on, I
didn't even know what The Cure sounded like and was busy collecting Miles Davis
albums and then Yes albums and then later on PTV and Throbbing Gristle
albums...so now that my taste has pussied out a bit (offset by doses of
Napalm DEATH and acid psychedelia), I dare make queries such as...

Anyone seen any Romeovoid albums on CD?  I just heard them last week and
thought they were really bitchin'.

Please send any yes's to [e-mail].

Tanks,
--John


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From: Hopelessly in love w/Donna Reed <[e-mail]>
Subject: Die Warzau/Laibach
Date: 17 Dec 1989 16:40:39 PST


[Die Warzau - Disco Rigido (Fiction/Polygram)]

i think this is what you get when you cross Cabaret Voltaire with Meat
Beat Manifesto.  cheesy synth sounds, sampled distorted guitar, scratching,
and what almost sound like cameo appearances by Pierre Henry, Front 242,
Thrill Kill Kult, and just about every other disco industrial band.  the
sound is quite varied, probably more disco and less industrial, but i like
it nonetheless.

"Sexus 1" is only 1:00 long, but is quite good.  it's just some bizarre
diatribe about sex over some indian rythms.  "Strike to the Body" is a
Front 242 ripoff, but with judicious use of soprano vocals during the
rhythm break.  "I've Got to Make Sense" starts out with a bunch of heavy
machinery sounds, which are good, but after a minute the lay in they cheesy
synth sounds.  the redeeming part is that Jesse Jackson supplies the vocals.

probably my favourite track is "National Security" which is only 1:13, but
sounds like they are influenced by Henry and Schaefer of musique concrete
fame.  i really like concrete, but it might not interest you otherwise.

the CD includes 5 bonus tracks, and if you're gonna get this at all, you
should get the CD.  "Free Radio Africa" sounds like Stockhausen meets
Tackhead.  nah, just Tackhead.  "Y Tagata En Situ" is another concrete-
influenced piece--kind of latin sounding with some interesting samples
thrown in.  "Land of the Free" is another Front 242 ripoff.  good, though.

in sum, i'll say it's uneven.  really good at times, really cheesy at other
times.  i would say it's worth it for "Sexus 1", "National Security",
"Y Tagata En Situ", and "Land of the Free".  if, like me, you like musique
concrete, Front 242, Meat Beat Manifesto, and almost anything disco insutrial,
no matter how cheesy, you should love it.  others use caution.

any finally, i'm not sure if this helps, but my *guess* is that Drukman would
like it and Mason wouldn't.  (please correct me if i'm wrong, you two.)

finally, what nm-list posting would be complete without mentioning Laibach?

here is a review of Nova Akropola from this month's Keyboard magazine:

Thick, grandiose industrial noise from Yugoslavia.  Heavy on the reverb and
explosive percussion samples.  The guttural growled vocals sound especially
sinister because we *norteamericanos* can't understand the words.  Orchestral
clusters and swells in the title track, layered beneath a sludgy drum beat,
hint at one of Stravinsky's nightmares.  But just when you think you've got
Laibach figured as a high-density rock band, they throw some pipe organ
(played with the elbows) at you, followed by what seems at first to be a
serious art song, piano accompanying a Slavic basso.  Ominous grinding noises
overtake and eventually obliterate the poor singer, however.  Not for the
faint of heart.

-dave

"I don't need a .45 or a snooker cue..."


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From: Jon Drukman <[e-mail]>
Subject: PTP query
Date: 18 Dec 1989 11:08:38 EST

OK, time to piss of all the Chicago people out there...

We were talking about Nivek Ogre having left Skinny Puppy.  First
rumor was that he's now in Ministry - if you count co-writing two
songs with four other people, then I guess this is true.  Next rumor
was that he's with a thing called "PTP." (of course, the current rumor
is that they haven't broken up at all.  go figure.) Well, my friend
dropped in with the new PTP single and the credits are for:

      $corpio: big bass drum, vocals
      Alien Dog Star: pan flute, finger cymbals
      Frenchie L'amour: spanish guitars

Since this is a Hypo Luxa/Hermes Pan production, it is safe to assume
that these names are bogus.  So, the question is: is any of these
people Nivek Ogre?  The vocalist sure doesn't sound like him but I'm
not so sure I'd recognize him without the patented Puppy-matic
vocal-scrambler technique in effect.  In fact, the whole thing reminds
me of Kraftwerk on psilocybin.  Weird shit.  OK, but certainly not
worth more than $2 for the single or something like that.

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| \|on |/rukman | [e-mail]  |       planet of noise bimbo!"           |
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From: Doug Alan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re^2: Suck Dog vs. GG
Date: 18 Dec 1989 14:54:04 EST

> The latest on GG is that he was in jail for burning a women in
> Ann Arber.  Typical rapist spiel - he claims she "wanted it".  The
> judge is VERyyyy confused ...  Has he gone to trial yet?

I think this is a cheap and pathetic ploy for GG Allin to get out of
his promise to kill himself on stage in October of next year.  I mean,
how is he going to do this if he is in jail!

|>oug

"R is for RHODA consumed by a fire"


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From: [e-mail] (paul moore=)
Subject: Nervous Xmas
Date: 18 Dec 1989 18:00:54 PST


  Just got it in the mail today.....

   My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult - Kooler Than Jesus cd-bonanza
    includes:  Kooler Than Jesus, Devil Bunnies, Nervous Xians,
               The Devil Does Drugs, First Cut, Shock of Point 6,
               and Resisting the Spirit.  All the tracks from their
               three 12"s.


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From: [e-mail] (paul moore=)
Subject: Re: skinny puppy question
Date: 18 Dec 1989 17:56:09 PST

I talked to him (Bill Leeb) on the tour and he said he played on the
first couple of things and toured on the first North American Skinny
Puppy tour.  He broke off because he didn't have much input and when
FLA were signed to WaxTrax, he had a large back catalog of songs, thus
the two mini-lp's in a couple of month's time.  They'll be working on
a new FLA album in January.  The Noise Unit 12", Deceit, comes out on
WaxTrax in January.  I also talked to a guy at WaxTrax today who said
that Bill will be doing a collaboration with one of the members of
Skinny Puppy.  He also was trying to explain to me that FLA are working
on the first interactive cd-video, but I don't see how that's possible
without some outside equipment.  Anyone have any ideas?

paul

btw - the Al J./Cabaret Voltaire Acid Horse 12" is due in January.  The
      Revolting Cocks Physical 12" is coming in February.  They rerecorded
      it once, but only changed the verses, and are now redoing it again.


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From: [e-mail] (Bob Kusumoto)
Subject: Re: PTP query
Date: 19 Dec 1989 00:36:39 CST

wait a sec... I thought Ogre was suppose to be going on towr with Ministry
(and they start in Chicago at the riv on the 30th and 31st, $18 and $23.50)
doing vocals.  What gives?

Bob


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From: [e-mail] (S Alan EZUST)
Subject: Re: PTP query
Date: 19 Dec 1989 09:31:29 EST

[In message "PTP query" on Dec 18, Jon Drukman writes:]
:
: OK, time to piss of all the Chicago people out there...
:
:       $corpio: big bass drum, vocals
:       Alien Dog Star: pan flute, finger cymbals
:       Frenchie L'amour: spanish guitars
:
: Since this is a Hypo Luxa/Hermes Pan production, it is safe to assume
: that these names are bogus. The question is: is any of these
: people Nivek Ogre?

well, I think it is also a safe bet that the instruments associated with
the names are also bogus, so why would there necessarily be a one-to-one
coorespondance between the band members and three bogus lines on the
record jacket?

These guys sound more like the Weathermen to me... Who started the
rumour that there was someone from Skinny Puppy here? If there were,
I am sure our radio station would have made a big deal out of it
since we gotta play a quota of canadian music, and this could then
be put in CanCon.....



--
S. Alan Ezust                                   [e-mail]
McGill University Department of Computer Science - Montreal, Quebec, Canada


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: magnuson query.
Date: 19 Dec 1989  14:07:41 EST

I suspect this is a really dumb question, but...
Is Ann Magnuson of Bongwater, etc, the same person who is on the
tv show "Anything but Love"?
I never caught Bongwater live, so I don't know what she looks like.
The voice sounds like it could be the same, but I don't know if that
is the kind of thing she'd do.
I know someone out there can confirm or deny this. Help me out.
Much appreciated.

Dave M.


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From: [e-mail] (S Alan EZUST)
Subject: Re: PTP query
Date: 19 Dec 1989 21:02:42 EST

[In message "Re: PTP query" on Dec 19, Steve Schonberger writes:]
:
: > These guys sound more like the Weathermen to me... Who started the
: > rumour that there was someone from Skinny Puppy here? If there were,
: > I am sure our radio station would have made a big deal out of it
: > since we gotta play a quota of canadian music, and this could then
: > be put in CanCon.....
:
: Canadian music quota, eh?  Typical fascist school administration
: rules, eh?  Not that there isn't good stuff out there, but it still
: sounds pretty fascist to have those kinds of rules.  Just think how
: pissed listeners would be if some university told their classical
: station they had to play a certain percentage of American composers.
: There is some good stuff from American composers, but such a quota
: could get pretty painful to deal with.
:
: (maybe I'll toss this off to the rest of the list too...)
:
:     Steve

In Quebec we gotta play a certain percentage of french-language music
too. This is only for non-special interest shows, though  - for example,
a classical show can play just classical music - no quotas since it is
so narrow in scope in the first place.

well, there are some downsides Canadian politics, here, but the fact is,
our station (school) is government supported, so we
gotta support our government (i.e. our country's musicians) in return.

/* tongue-in-cheek on */

In your capitalist government, poor kids can't go to to good schools ANYWAY,
and so if it isn't facist, it is elitist!
Here, anyone can go to a good school if he/she has decent grades (and by
decent, I mean good - not super-duper brainiac #1)...

/* tongue-in-cheek off */

But at least we don't have to worry about NFAP (not for air play) stuff..
We can say fuck cunt shit all we went and as long as we can justify it,
we can play it. (so for example, I can play anything with obscenities
as long as it fits in the context of my show).

What's even more interesting was what the station did for Aids Awareness
Week (last week)... We had about 15 PSA carts made up with speeches made
up to talk about Aids, and in very graphic detail we got a message across
to the public about how you can get it. "Don't let anyone come in your
mouth, ass or vagina... Place a rubber barrier over your partners'
vagina before going down on her, don't shoot up with anyone else's needle",
and because the government is not so puritanical, we are allowed to say
anything we need to get this important message across (I am sure some
of the staff members got their cranks turned by being able to talk about
sex so explicitly on the airwaves, but we're all perverts anyway, so
who cares..)


--
S. Alan Ezust                                   [e-mail]
McGill University Department of Computer Science - Montreal, Quebec, Canada


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From: "Barry L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Spacemen 3 flexi
Date: 19 Dec 1989 23:43 CST

Someone (I forget who...I deleted the message) was rather
"Blah" about the Spacemen 3 flexi that came with their
Forced Exposure subscription.  I have a friend who'd be
willing to take it off your hands.  In return, he's offered
to send you a Todd Newman 7" single that he produced.  Good
stuff.  (Sounds nothing like Skinny Puppy...interpret that
however you want.)

Send me e-mail and we'll work out the details.

- Barry
  [e-mail]


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From: Robert Angelo Pleshar <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: magnuson query.
Date: 20 Dec 1989 09:27:33 -0500 (EST)



>I suspect this is a really dumb question, but...
>Is Ann Magnuson of Bongwater, etc, the same person who is on the
>tv show "Anything but Love"?
>I never caught Bongwater live, so I don't know what she looks like.
>The voice sounds like it could be the same, but I don't know if that
>is the kind of thing she'd do.
>I know someone out there can confirm or deny this. Help me out.
>Much appreciated.

>Dave M.

Yup, sure is the same Ann Magnuson. She's an actress originally , I
think; although she was also in Pulsallama, so maybe she sang first.
Actually, I think that's one of the better shows on television, right
after reruns of Sanford and Son and Mr. Ed.

Ralph


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From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)
Subject: Ferns Afire!
Date: 20 Dec 1989 11:04:25 PST


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <hoptoad!uicsrd.csrd.uiuc.edu!hsu>
Subject: Ferns Afire!
Date: 20 Dec 1989 11:04:25 PST

>Mason:
>
>>people like Richard Kern and Nick Zedd, as well as others less
>>famous such as Beth and Scott B, Alice Wittenstein, and so on,
>>have been putting things out.
>
>Umm Mason, you mean "more famous" right? Beth and Scott B have
>been around longer than Kern/Zedd. The B's Black Box and Letters
>to Dad are underground classics of the '80s (Letters is much more
>interesting than Black Box btw) and Beth B directed the big budget
>religion-bashing film (ARGH I forget the title) Salvation??? some
>long one-word title. It's about this slimy TV evangelist who gets
>into deep shit. Hilarious but not terribly subtle. Lots of
>quotable lines (I taped a bunch for one of my Easter specials).

Yeah, it's "Salvation."  But I dunno about the B's being more famous
than Kern/Zedd.  I know they've been around longer, but ask people
about underground video folks, and I suspect you'll be surprised
by the fact that more have heard of Kern and Zedd than have heard
of the B's and others.  I'm not saying that Kern and Zedd deserve
the fame, of course.  All of the above have their problems.

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From: hoptoad!uunet!microsoft!billga
Subject: Ferns Afire!
Date: 20 Dec 1989 11:04:25 PST

>Also, did that long awaited Foetus come out?  Or are we still long
>awaiting?

As I said in a previous posting containing Foetus Facts, the
new Foetus, a double-album/single CD entitled "Sink" by "Foetus,
Inc." will be released on January 29th, according to Jim himself.
It'll be a lot of instrumental stuff, as well as previous singles
"Ramrod," "Bedrock," and their respective B-sides, plus a
remix of his first 7", "O.K.F.M."  It will be followed by a
tour in the spring, and an EP in the spring distributed by Wax
Trax, who will distribute his new stuff now that he's free from
Some Bizarre.

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From: hoptoad!calvin.cs.mcgill.ca!depeche (S Alan EZUST)
Subject: Ferns Afire!
Date: 20 Dec 1989 11:04:25 PST

>: with Front Line Assembly's "Corrosion," although I haven't heard Noise
>
>Actually I just got Corrosion and it is quite good. I wouldn't even
>be surprised if this is how Industrial Music got its name, but anyway....
>If you like this album, you should also like my tied-for-favorite album by
>these guys, "The Initial Command".

Excuse me?  If this is how Industrial Music got its name?  Many
people are rolling over in their graves, and they're not even dead
yet.  FLA is about as far from the origins of Industrial Music as
Debbie Gibson is.  Industrial Music as it was originally known got
its name from a label, Industrial Records, founded by Throbbing
Gristle.  It included their own work, Clock DVA, Monte Cazzaza,
and many others whose sound had very little similarity, but their
philosophies had quite a lot of similarity.  That was the link made
by Re/Search's "Industrial Culture Handbook," that the people who
were bunched together in the book had some similarity of vision and
philosophy, but not necessarily sound.  There was never much similarity
between the sounds of Non and Cabaret Voltaire, or Throbbing Gristle
and Rhythm & Noise.  And of course the book included Johanna Went
and SRL, who aren't music groups at all.  I recommend picking up the
book before you ever use the label "Industrial Music" again.


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From: uunet!aob.aob.mn.org![e-mail] (Ann Mackinnon)
Subject: ioojjk jk n kjlkfidjdd
Date: 20 Dec 1989 11:04:25 PST


    ever since we got cable, I have become oh-so-enlightened with
    regards to music videos....

      my recent hobby is watching The Jukebox Network.....and does
      anyone know, in the Young MC "Bust a Groove" video, is Flea
      slapping bass for show or does he play on the vinyl/disc/tape?


       just wondering...


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From: [e-mail] (Robert Krajewski)
Subject: ESG, Junkyard Band
Date: 21 Dec 1989 11:24:40 EST

Does anybody know what happened to these people ?

I heard ``Moody'' by ESG on the Smithereens soundtrack.  Sounded
really cool.  (It was originally on 99 Records, which also put out
that song by Liquid Liquid that was reused for ``White Lines.'')

I've never heard anything by the Junkyard Band, but the description
sounded pretty intriguing.  They used to be on Def Jam and they
had a single out.


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From: [e-mail] (surrounded by SmArMYneSs)
Subject: New Years Eve In San Jose
Date: 21 Dec 1989 10:47:21 PST


Hey Y'all,

The Guttersluts, Dot3 and the Frontier Wives will be performing
at "The Works" in downtown San Jose on New Years Eve.
"The Works" is the art gallery 2 doors down from Marsugis.
As usual I don't have any details, but I'm sure if you checked
the Metro it'll be listed.....

Laura


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From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)
Subject: Underneath the Amount of Enlightenment
Date: 21 Dec 1989 10:02:48 PST


Picked up the new Greater Than One CD, "G-Force," the other
day.  The guy at Kaleidoscope was nice enough to warn me that
it wasn't as good as "London," but being the completist I am,
I had to have it anyway.  Besides the fact that a mediocre
Greater Than One CD is better than most other shit anyway.  So,
the lowdown -- it's about 35 minutes long, not the longest
ever, to say the least.  Basically, the stuff is like the more
danceable tracks off "London," like 'Peace' and 'I Don't Need
God,' from the previous single.  So it's all kind of lightweight
dance fluff material, but well-done, certainly.  I enjoy it,
but it doesn't have the depth of the better material from "London,"
not quite as unusual and not as many wierd samples thrown in.
Many people will probably dislike this album, but if you like
'modern dance music' (how's that for a nauseating label?), you'll
enjoy this.  Me, well, I'm still waiting for the jury.  Once in
a while I like some mindless stuff with a beat, and that's when
I'll put this on.


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From: [e-mail] (paul moore=)
Subject: Re:  PTP query
Date: 21 Dec 1989 16:52:25 PST

PTP are (surprise) the Revolting Cocks; Chris Connelly, Paul Barker,
and Al.

paul


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From: Steve Schonberger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: PTP query
Date: 21 Dec 1989 22:33:00 PST

> These guys sound more like the Weathermen to me... Who started the
> rumour that there was someone from Skinny Puppy here? If there were,
> I am sure our radio station would have made a big deal out of it
> since we gotta play a quota of canadian music, and this could then
> be put in CanCon.....

Canadian music quota, eh?  Typical fascist school administration
rules, eh?  Not that there isn't good stuff out there, but it still
sounds pretty fascist to have those kinds of rules.  Just think how
pissed listeners would be if some university told their classical
station they had to play a certain percentage of American composers.
There is some good stuff from American composers, but such a quota
could get pretty painful to deal with.

(maybe I'll toss this off to the rest of the list too...)

    Steve

--
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[e-mail]

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From: Carl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: PTP query
Date: 21 Dec 1989 16:19:51 GMT

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From: uunet!aob.aob.mn.org![e-mail] (Ann Mackinnon)
Subject: Junkyard band
Date: 21 Dec 1989 16:19:51 GMT




       The Junkyard Band was a group of black youth from the slums of DC
       who played instruments made from, you guessed it, items found in
       junkyards. With homemade drums and a cheap Moog, these youth
       (at the time, oh, say, 3-4 years ago all under the age of 15)
       were one of the coolest things around.  They became semi-famous when
       Madonna, the artist of the decade, mentioned somewhere that they were
       one of her favorite bands...calling themselves "go-go" bands, they
       did non-stop synth-funk, I guess...I saw them open up for Faith
       No More (or was it the Beasties? I can't remember!) at City Gardens in
       New Jersey...They were energetic, lots of fun, they looked like kids,
       dressed like kids in t shirts and shorts and basketball socks and
       sneaks, but definitely were older and experienced beyond their years--
       experienced performers.   Perhaps from playing in the streets or
       something; street audiences can be tough ones.  They were clean,
       tight, polished, and choregraphed right down to the jumps and leaps.
       I loved it, and they completely blew away either FAith No More or the
       Beasties.

       What happened to them?  Well, by now they are all in junior and high
       school, I would imagine; kinda dropped out of sight.  Check with
       your favorite DC fanzine and send a letter to the editor; perhaps
       they will know.

       By the way, the Young MC Video with Flea is "Bust a Move", not
       "Bust a Groove".  my error.

       seasons greetings, etc.



       mccookie
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From: Chuck D'Ambra <[e-mail]>
Subject: looking forward
Date: 22 Dec 1989 12:49:45 MST

Getting too quiet out there lately.  I suppose you're all too busy with
the holidays approaching and, some of you, with finals.

Here's some fodder to work with.  There's a natural tendency to look back
at the past year and decade, but hopefully this list will keep its focus
on new music.  I'm interested in what sort of trends we might expect in
the 90s.  It gets increasingly difficult the farther you go, given that
there'll likely be emerging styles that haven't been developed yet, so
that should mainly be "early 90s."

Obviously, stuff that has come out over the last few years isn't going to
disappear in 10 days.  There'll be more of the same for awhile yet.  But
beyond that, here's a prediction (maybe it's more wishful thinking, or just
something for people to flame).  I expect a resurgence of things that are
more guitar-oriented, less reliant on (or no) keyboards, and not so likely
to be overproduced.  Industrial disco is passe', though it will still be
heard in dance clubs.  Some of the more interesting things I've heard in
'89 were from bands like Dinosaur Jr., Halo of Flies, Helios Creed, Sister
Ray, Lemonheads, Half Japanese, and jazz-influenced stuff from Nice Strong
Arm and the Bootstrappers.  I'll be looking for more of those sorts of
things, as well as more rap and world beat, possibly combined with grunge,
jazz or whatever.

BTW, I'm not suggesting this as something that will become popular or
mainstream.  There's no reason to expect any improvement there, and I
don't particularly care what the record companies are pushing as long
as I can continue to find more interesting alternatives.

-=- Chuck


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From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)
Subject: Frozen Cud Beware!
Date: 22 Dec 1989 11:29:49 PST


Got my Christmas bonus, so I bought some more shit.  Found the
Nurse With Wound 'Gyllenskold/Brained' CD, which is basically
one of the old cassettes remastered and digitalized onto
aluminum.  The 'Brained by Falling Masonry' section is the
stuff recorded by Stapledon and Clint Ruin, with others.  Great
stuff, of course.  Haven't listened to much of the Gyllenskold
segment, but as I recall from the cassette, it's pretty great,
too.  As I said in the store, who would've thought, five years
ago, that you'd be able to buy Nurse With Wound on CD for $14?

My other purchase was the 'Ecstasy By Current II' LP.  The
first one always looked interesting, but I never got around to
buying it.  I'll probably go pick it up now, because this one
is superb.  It has tracks by: En Halvkokt I Folie, Dissecting
Table, Katharsis, Dead Tech, Illusion of Safety, Yref, In Slaughter
Natives, Hybrids, Vidna Obmana, and Deleted.  I have other stuff
by Dissecting Table, Katharsis, I of Safety, and Vidna Obmana.
If anyone knows more about any of the others, please post.  The
Dissecting Table lives up to their usual amazing standard of
fuzzy-fast-percussion-screaming.  I haven't listened to all of
it, since I got home late last night, but what I heard was
uniformly wonderful stuff.  Buy it buy it buy it.

Anyone heard the Mussolini Headkick album/CD?  I've had it recommended
to me, but I hate to buy anything with a swastika on the cover.
Not that I'm offended, but anyone with such an obvious lack of
originality for their cover art earns a big frown from me.


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From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Frozen Cud Beware!
Date: 22 Dec 1989 15:23:58 -0600

Mason:
>SF's got a few great ones, Naked Eye video on lower Haight being one
>of the best.

I dunno, good video places seemed to be the only place that SF
*lacked*. Naked Eye had a small but good collection when I was
there, but Facets in Chicago and some of the Dallas places had
like 3 times as much cool stuff.

[some Laibach review]

I guess it's nice that the mainstream music press is discovering
Nova Akropola, several years too late. Kinda like Vernon Reid
doing well in the latest Guitar Player poll. The category?
NEW TALENT.

Bill


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: New Years Eve In San Jose
Date: 22 Dec 1989 15:19:06 PST

wow!  i haven't seen dot 3 or the f-wives in ages, but they both
kick ass!  i'll be there.

-mykle-

Hey Y'all,

The Guttersluts, Dot3 and the Frontier Wives will be performing
at "The Works" in downtown San Jose on New Years Eve.
"The Works" is the art gallery 2 doors down from Marsugis.
As usual I don't have any details, but I'm sure if you checked
the Metro it'll be listed.....

Laura


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From: Steve Schonberger <[e-mail]>
Subject: a Christmas party with bizarre musical entertainment (warning:  non-nm content)
Date: 22 Dec 1989 20:14:33 PST

A couple of weekends ago I went to an interesting show.  It didn't
have regular noise music, but it had a very bizarre musical show that
was kind of noisy in its way too.  The other nm-listers who were there
can confirm that it did indeed happen...

The show was at the Seattle Convention Center, right above
Interstate-5.  Traffic was pretty nasty becuase so many people were
attending (about 5600, I think).  I think the most interesting part of
the whole thing was the people watching (I'll comment on that later
though, since it's non-musical content), but the main show event was
really something too.

The scheduled enteratainment in the downstairs giant party room was a
big-band.  It played 40s-style big-band music, which I done well
enough that I almost liked it.  The big event was the "Twelve Days of
Christmas Revue".  In the center of each of the eleven huge food
buffets and bars in the room, and at the front of the big-band's
stage, were raised (up about three meters/ten feet) platforms, with
performers in costumes representing each of the twelve gifts in the
song "Twelve Days of Christmas".  The big-band, with a singer or
recording, played and sang, "On the first day of Christmas, my true
love gave to me:  A partridge in a pear tree."  Then the spotlight
turned to a woman costumed as a partridge in a pear tree.  She wore a
floor length dress, slit all the way up her leg.  The dress had a
birdish design to it, and had pears sewn to it.  The tree was a green
thing that sort of cloaked her shoulders, hung to the floor, and stuck
up over her head about 30 cm (a foot) or more.  It was kind of leafy,
though the leaves looked more like green feathers.  It had pears on it
too.  She lip synched to silly-bad operatic wailing, ended by the
sound of breaking glass (like the Memorex commercial).

The second day gift, two turtle doves, were a guy and a girl mime
dancing around on their platform making faces while a recording of a
cacophony of chirping birds played.  The three french hens were three
inner city type guys with giant immitation ghetto blasters on their
platform, dressed in chicken suits.  One of them was wearing
particularly "cool" shades, and the other two had "cool" haircuts.
They danced exagerratedly to a semi-disco song (not rap or industrial
or real seventies type disco, just some kind of dance music) when the
spotlights were on them.  I knew the song, but I don't remember what
it was.

The four calling birds were four guys in hunters' camouflage with huge
toy shotguns and other hunting paraphernalia.  They were calling birds
by honking loud hunters' bird calls.  The five gold rings were held by
a thin woman in an elegant dress.  They were large, about head sized,
and she flashed them around a lot (but they weren't gold colored).
After singing and some recorded music stopped, a phone on her platform
rang (some pun, eh?) and she answered it "hello."  She missed her cue
on the phone by a moment almost every time.

The six geese-a-laying were six rubber geese and a guy who juggled
them.  He was good at juggling (better than I), but not great.  He
never had more than three "geese" in the air at a time.  The seven
swans-a-swimming were seven young girls in ballet dresses, who danced
to a music recording I assume was from "Swan Lake" when the spotlights
were on them.  The eight maids-a-milking were eight young girls
dressed in very similar (to each other) milk-maid dresses.  They sat
around looking like exagerratedly bored farm girls until the spot
lights were on them, then they got up and danced.

The nine ladies dancing were nine young women (I guess high school
age) dressed up in sparkly cheerleader tights and ballet shoes.  They
danced when the spotlights were on them, of course.  The ten
lords-a-leaping were ten guys dressed more like royal servants than
lords.  Their recorded music was "Jump" (the good old cover version,
not the awful Van Halen version or the slow original), which they
jumped to, like doing calisthenics or aerobic dancing.  The eleven
pipers piping sat near the big-band's stage and at their turn they
came on stage and played kazoos.  The twelve drummers drumming played
drums of all kinds on their platform.  They really beat on them,
making more noise than music.  One of them (the one who really knew
how to play drums, I guess) pounded out a pretty good solo, though
only on one or two drums rather than a full set.

That was the wildest of the scheduled entertainment.  In case people
missed it the first time, they played it again (maybe several times,
but we left that room after the first replay started).  In the giant
room upstairs they had a pretty good classic-rock covers band (if you
like that kind of thing) that was just a little too loud.  They also
had a jazz room that I got out of fast because it was the only place
people were allowed to smoke and not fit for unprotected breathing.
There were probably some other rooms I missed too.

Anyway, now for the non-musical content (as if the above wasn't far
enough from the expected content of this list...)

People watching was a definite form of entertainment at this event.
Most people were dressed up not just formally, but ostentatiously
fancy.  A lot of men were in tuxedos and most of the rest were in nice
suits (not knowing what to expect there, I dressed in just a normal
nice suit, because a friend told me it was formal).  More than half of
the women there were dressed up like in a fashion magazine, in amazing
dresses you'd almost never see anywhere else.  Most of the rest were
dressed up with fancy but more commonplace dresses.  Most of the
people who didn't dress up really fancy were dressed up uncommonly
sloppy or weird; only a tiny fraction were just plain casual.  Some of
the most notable anti-fashions were:  A number of people wearing
tie-die t-shirts and cut-offs.  A guy wearing a nice, once-pure-white
suit (kind of like David Byrne's in _Stop Making Sense_, though not
quite as big), with blotches of flourescent paint on it, like he stood
there while someone slapped him with various colored wide paint
brushes using mostly vertical strikes.  A guy who came in wearing a
tuxedo and took his pants off at the coat check room and spent the
evening wearing a tux top and Christmas pajamas below.  A woman
dressed up as Cher, with a Cher-"style" dress, Cher-style makeup, and
most of all Cher-hair, huge, fluffy, and sticking way out beyond her
shoulders.  I also heard of someone dressed as Mozart (I suppose like
in _Amadeus_, but I didn't see him myself).  I wished I had a bizarre
costume for the event, since I can't afford something fancy enough to
stick out from being fancy.

Anyway, flames invited for straying from the charter.  Merry
Christmas, happy New Year, and happy holidays in general to all.
--
Steve Schonberger    Why should I disclaim anything when I own this site?
[e-mail]    (Yet another site named after a Kate Bush song)

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From: nyx!boulder!nike.cair.du.edu!nyx.cs.du.edu![e-mail] (john e. smoke)
Subject: The Savage is Back
Date: 25 Dec 1989 13:55:25 MST


 Merry xmas to all!  Did anyone besides me get blank tapes
for christmas??  :-)

 Thought i'd mention that the new Savage Republic album
"Customs" is out!  Oh jOY!  I wouldn't wait for the cd cause
the list o SR items on the inside only mentions this vinyl
version via Nate Starkman.

 I've listened to it thrice already and it's my best buy
of 1989 I'd say.  Diverse and grand, exceeding Jamahiriya
by a ways!  This meshes the 'tragic fig.' and 'trudge' feel
of the band with exotic flavors of ancient tribal tunes.
This made my record buying year (better late than never eh?)
and would give it: a 9.3 outta ten.  The only thing i don't
like too much about this is when SR tries to 'sing' instead o
chant/grunt/scream.  As usual the cover art is spectacular
and worth the price alone....just like 'trudge', 'trag fig.'
and 'live trek'.

 Disturbing note(?): My ol pen pal Ethan Port is not listed
as in this SR lineup.  I've lost contact with him and am
curious as to what the scoop is or what Ethan's up to these
days.  One class guy with an interesting focus on things...
...hope he'll be back in the group soon.

//john


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From: [e-mail] (del Amitri)
Subject: Can
Date: 25 Dec 1989 21:44:51 -0500


i recently heard some material from an early 70ts german band
by the name of Can.
yeah, right, this *is* the nm-list, so whats with this old band?
well, they really do put most of to-days dance/goth bands to SHAME.

so... could someone step forward and tell me a bit about Can?
labels, discography, etc.

happy fucking xday.

-del
(21 hours a day)


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From: Dave Lechtenberg <[e-mail]>
Subject: butterfly love
Date: 26 Dec 1989 14:55:19 MST

    From: [e-mail] (john e. smoke)

> Thought i'd mention that the new Savage Republic album
> "Customs" is out!  Oh jOY!

Whoa, this is a surprise since I had heard that Savage Republic broke up
earlier this year.  Does anyone know if it's new material, a swansong album
or what?


    From: haedx.UUCP![e-mail] (Mason)

> I have other stuff
> by Dissecting Table, Katharsis, I of Safety, and Vidna Obmana.
                                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Please tell me more about Vidna Obmana.  I've got this collab tape
with PBK and Vidna which I haven't figured out yet.  The tape is ambient,
minimalist sound washes except the end has some female crooning that almost
sounds like Kate Bush.  Is this Vidna?


    A token review of something not so new:

Steel Pole Bath Tub - Butterfly Love

This sounds like what would happen if you put White Zombies' Soul Crusher
in the blender with some of the Seattle grunge bands.  Its got skull-pounding
tribal drums, ugly lyrics and is greasier than say Mudhoney or SoundGarden.
On Boner records, but they get kind of limp at the end of side 2.


-Dave L.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: looking forward
Date: 26 Dec 1989 11:40:12 PST



Klattu Barada Chuck D'Ambra:

>  Here's some fodder to work with.  There's a natural tendency to look back
>  at the past year and decade, but hopefully this list will keep its focus
>  on new music.  I'm interested in what sort of trends we might expect in
>  the 90s.  It gets increasingly difficult the farther you go, given that
>  there'll likely be emerging styles that haven't been developed yet, so
>  that should mainly be "early 90s."

>  here's a prediction (maybe it's more wishful thinking, or just
>  something for people to flame).  I expect a resurgence of things that are
>  more guitar-oriented, less reliant on (or no) keyboards, and not so likely
>  to be overproduced.

dude, you're, like, either, like, a true visionary of the nineties, or,
like, you've picked up any british music magazine in the past few, like,
months.  "the return of guitar bands" is what everybody's raving about.
witness my previous review of the new furs albumen.  no keyboards.  none.
nada.

and it's not surprising that people have eventually gotten sick of keyboards,
since this has been the decade of their overuse.  it's time for stuff to
balance out.  out out out goes the old age of boring digital synthesizers,
and in in in rushes the exciting new era of . . . digital guitar effects.

have you noticed the size of the racks some of these new guitar bands drag
around?  i saw a local deathrok-cum-friendly band, the beautiful green
skeletons, last thursday at a party, and the techno-quotient was outrageous.
the lead guitaress had a yamaha gfx-80 & two (two!) midiverbs, the drummer
(who sucked) had syndrums run though processors, the bassist had spx-90
and the keyboard player had a cray one parked in a van outside . . . just
kidding.  but you get the idea.

not that i don't like digital effects.  despite what out products might
lead you to believe, we at sco are not anti-technological.  the spx-90
is my favorite effects box.  but i think a lot of the suttle-newance of
these reberb & effect units is wasted on shitty p.a. systems usually,
so why do people bother?  nobody's yet created a digital equivalent to
the rat distortion pedal, so really it's not yet significant technology.
%)

so hey, should i like see the sluts, f-wives and dot 3 next door to
marsugi's in san jose on newyears eve, or should i see the furs
in berkeley?  perspiring minds wanna know.

-mykle-


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From: [e-mail] (Stalking Teen Stars)
Subject: New Years Sluts
Date: 27 Dec 1989 09:24:18 PST

>from mike hansen:
so hey, should i like see the sluts, f-wives and dot 3 next door to
marsugi's in san jose on newyears eve, or should i see the furs
in berkeley?  perspiring minds wanna know.

dude, SHINE on the furs, they're old and decrepit.
now, the GUTTERSLUTS - they're young and full of life.

see ya at the Works Mike.

Laura


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From: uunet!aob.aob.mn.org![e-mail] (Ann Mackinnon)
Subject: minnnnnnistry...................
Date: 27 Dec 1989 09:24:18 PST



        ministry is touring--any info on when they may be in
        the mpls area?

        thanx


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: the 90s: a return to guitar music?
Date: 27 Dec 1989 17:12:27 GMT


        I remain unconvinced about the return of guitar music that
 pundits are looking forward to in the next decade. It's as though
 guitar music is seen as the 'natural state' of popular music, the
 balance to which we must return. This is a dubious idea to say the
 least. I think it's caused by lazy journalists pining for the return
 of their (punk) youthful idealogies. Music technology is here to
 stay and will continue to be used imaginatively - just as it will
 continue to be used unimaginativley. Just as kids *still* pick
 up guitars and want to sound like the Velvet Underground. Western
 music remains limited by the forsight and adventurous ideas of
 the people (and industry) responsible for it - or lack thereof.
        Let's not forget some other great forcasts of the music
 pundits of the world: the return to a less technology-based sound
 so widely predicted in the mid-80s (remember cowpunk and Green
 on Red?) failed to stop the onslaught of studio-based danced music
 in the late 80s, certainly in Britain where we end the decade with
 De La Soul in the Top 20.
        There was also the widely predicted 'new punk' that was
 supposed to hit us a couple of years ago. The music journalists
 are still looking for the rebellious guitar-based music that was
 supposed to take us all by storm - while millions of young kids
 are pissing off their parents by going to clubs, spray painting
 walls and making noisy dance records in their bedrooms. Music
 journalists are all too old and live in London. They have no idea
 how young people are behaving in 1989.

        Latest guitar album I've bought? 'Songs For The Poor Man'
 by Remmy Ongala. Breathtaking. Owes nothing to Western ideas
 of guitar music, which are still idealogically chained to their
 Stooges, Buzzcocks and Pistols albums. If you're going to use
 guitars, for fucks sake, do somethin different with them.

        Cheers and happy new year,

                arf


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From: nyx!boulder!nike.cair.du.edu!nyx.cs.du.edu![e-mail] (john e. smoke)
Subject: davel
Date: 28 Dec 1989 07:01:42 MST


dave: couldn't find a path to you. so here's some
clutter.
the new SR album customs is all NEW material and
quite awesome.  do not know if it's a final hurrah or what....
i sure hope not.  These guys smoke!

//john
any new/good shows coming soon to denver?
trax doesn't seem to have many flyers out anymore.


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From: [e-mail] (Karl MacRae - On a Hayride bound for HELL!)
Subject: Re: New Years Sluts
Date: 28 Dec 1989 08:38:31 PST



>>from mike hansen:
>>so hey, should i like see the sluts, f-wives and dot 3 next door to
>>marsugi's in san jose on newyears eve, or should i see the furs
>>in berkeley?  perspiring minds wanna know.

>dude, SHINE on the furs, they're old and decrepit.
>now, the GUTTERSLUTS - they're young and full of life.


    Laura'a right.

        That's a show to end the 80's with; Dot3 an' the
    Frontier Fuckin' Wives are truly god-like, and if Laura
    says the 'Sluts rule, I'll take her word for it...

        Shine the Furs; They've been BORING ever since
    they re-mixed 'Pretty in Pink' for the film; they've gone
    live105 'Modern Rock' (Read 'Easy Listening for the 90's')...



        -Karl


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hofmann 5577)
Subject: I don't know about NEW MUSIC
Date: 28 Dec 1989 15:58:29 -0500


but that new Tom Petty album doesn't have one bad song on it.  Gee, it's
guitar based as well!  Could ol' mutton face be ahead of the times again???

"Rock is dead.  The Sex Pistols killed it."  --- Simon Frith


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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: 1990's music wishful thinking
Date: 28 Dec 1989 16:54:31 CST

New genre's proposed for the 90's:

Inverse genre's.  Instead of imposing Nurse With Wound style found-sound
music lightly on top of loud boorish disco music to obtain hip hop or
industrial dance, take the found-sound as the dominant theme and lightly and
sparsely impose shreds of contemporary heavy metal, punk rock, or pop on top
of it.  The corresponding dance is free form when the contemporary
embelishments aren't present and locks into their beat when they are.  Naaaw,
kids will never dance free form.

Backwards music as the replacment for industrial dance.  Find any album,
crank bass via equilization, play backwards.  Albums will be made by mixing
original forward music, especially guitar solos, on top of old backward albums.
Call the genre FlashBACK.

Look for sore thumb cross genres--harpsichords in metal bands, operatic singers
in punk thrash bands, piano improv jazz amongst concrete white noise industrial
shred, Bongwater-style mix of psych rock and found sound, folk music with
speed guitar solos, 50's girl group with bagpipe, anything to shock
sensibilities in the face of global peace.  Look for extremely sexually
explicit lyrics in otherwise nice pop tunes.

But the real key to what will happen in the 90's is heavy metal.  WHAT WILL
2000 HEAVY METAL BANDS DO?  They can't play speed metal forever.  Look for
roots revival among these bands.  Look for song structure to evolve from
<really fast>-<really fast guitar solo>-<really fast> to something like
<slow intro, varations on themes by Zeppelin and Sabbath>-<really fast
mid section>-<really fast guitar solo>-<slow close>.


I personally can't wait.
--John


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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: Untold Fables/Guitars
Date: 28 Dec 1989 16:24:25 CST

>i heard a song called "I want a girl of my own" (something like that) by
>The Untold Fables on our college station and i really liked it.  it was
>during a show that seemed to be dominated by guitar stuff, old and new
>(Stooges, Seeds, Swamp Zombies, Fuzztones).

>can someone who knows (Hogge?) post or mail me a list of some good guitar
>bands like this that i should check out?

I've been named...If you're looking for stuff close to Fuzztones, I'm not
the biggest of help.  Fuzztones best album "Lysergic Emmanations" sticks
pretty much to garage rock sound, and I like it alot but tend not to like
the genre.  (Note: new Fuzztones "In Heat" is weak.)
Some other things in this vein that are good:

  Blacklight Cameleons (first EP.  The LP is weak)
  The Shoutless - "Bowery at Midnight"
  Hidden Peace = "We All Have..." (weird Greek garage psych)
  "A Real Cool Time -- Distored Sounds from the North" (strong compilation
   of I think Sweedish garage bands, including Nomads)
  Nomads -- any of their albums
  Crystalized Moments -- "Mind Disaster" (stripped down guitar insanity)
  Dimentia 13 -- first LP (Crystalized Moments meats Syd Barrett)
  Acid Dreams Testament (CD compilation; 75 minutes, poorly mastered on
    purpose but probably essential)

Then there's the more suffisticated and/or pop psychedelic sounds I prefer:
  Mad Violets (EP)
  Plasticland -great guitar and mellotron work,
               great trippy lyrics, strong vocals
  Flaming Lips (especially Telepathic Surgery on CD w/ extra 20min. track)
  Bevis Frond (especially Auntie Emma album and Tryptych)
  Acid Jam
  Nick & Nick & The Psychotic Drivers
  Outskirts of Infinity (both albums)
  Angel Dust, Music for Movie Bikers
  Terry Brooks and STrange "Raw Power"
  SS20 "Dream Life"
  Ra Can Row
  Bong Water
  Viv Akauldren "I'll Call You Somtime"
  Lime Spiders "The Cave Comes Alive"
  Opal "Happy Nighmare Baby"
  Dukes of Stratosphere "25 'O Clock" (look for their CD)

That's pretty much my entire psych collection.

--John


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From: Tim Wicinski <gatech!sgi.com!bill-n-ted![e-mail]>
Subject: Junkyard Band, guitar music, etc.
Date: 28 Dec 1989 19:31:33 PST

back in the early 80s, before white people like hofmann went to gogo
shows, and when you could go to shows without fear of shootings, The
Junkyard Band was definitely up there with TroubleFunk and Chuck Brown
(talking 81-84 here kids). Couldn't play most clubs since they
were underage, and there was (and is) a lock on the club bookings done
by one management group (if you want to play go-go clubs, then you must
have these guys as managers - this is why the early TroubleFunk shows
were all done with people like Minor Threat and the Big Boys).
In 88 or so, DC passed the curfew law saying people
under 18 can't be out after midnight on weekends.  Don't know if they're
still around (wait for hofmann's interjection of band's sex history
here), i'm surprised they toured at all, but City Gardens is not far
away. And i even agree with Ann, that they made any Beaties/Faith combo
look like shit - any group of inner-city blacks easily have the balls
and drive to blow the pants off of a bunch of middle class white boys
who feign hipness...

as for Guitar Bands being the thing of the 90s, i predict that people
will get too lazy to learn how to really play guitars ala Hendrix, Page,
and Gibbons, et. al., and will rely on sampling awesome solos and
inserting them into songs (sounds like a chance to make a quick buck -
"Dickhead's Recording Studio - where you can make that solo just like
Kashmir!").

Maybe kids will wake up and realize that the Skid Row/Bon Jove/Motley
Crue/Poison/WhiteSnake slop being fed them on MTV isn't the only thing
around, especially since MTV will have to diversify the sound to
attract more and more fringe people. (next big MTV thing - "MTV's
Industrial Hour" hosted by Orge who talks constantly about working out
and how the physically fit are the "chosen ones").

maybe in the 90's Lou Reed will finally die (or retire) so we can remember
him for the good shit he's done and not the stuff like "New York".

and in the 90's Half Japanese will win an Grammy, and it will be
presented by Madonna, and she'll fall in love with Jad....

...yea, i've been pounding the tea...
tim


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From: uunet!aob.aob.mn.org![e-mail] (Ann Mackinnon)
Subject: the 90's
Date: 28 Dec 1989 19:31:33 PST



   As we sit on the brink of the 90's we all wonder what the next
decade holds in store for us...

   I predict that there will be a big punk revival by the eighties
   babies..but it will be a metal punk revival--and indeed it has
   already started.  My 13 year old nephew has recently become interested
   in the Pistols; but only because Metallica covers a tune..........
   he and his group of friends are also discovering the Dolls, Alice
   Cooper (old stuff), the Dead Kennedy's (heard reference in a metal
   song) and the Buzzcocks.  So expect a watered down, commercial
   rehash of all the shit that was new and alternative years ago--
   hey, just like the sixties shit!

   I also predict that the fashion industry will play an even heavier
   hand in the music industry than ever...the eighties have proven
   that music videos of course sell records but also sell clothing
   like crazy.  I sometimes wonder what kinds of turns fashion would
   take without the video.  I also wonder how much money artists get
   to wear clothing in their videos..

   Vinyl will also fade away slowly to next to nothing; but vinyl will
   also become more valuable and collectable!  But a group of diehards,
   dedicated to the preservation of the record (also anti-CD activists)
   will form an organization called Save the Vinyl and in 1994 the first
   National Save the Vinyl Convention/Protest Rally will take place.
   Representatives from the major labels will appear, to present the
   music industry's viewpoint.  Heated words will be exchanged, violence
   will break out; riots ensue.  The National Guard and other military
   forces will be called in; however the sentiment will be so strong that
   the armed forces will split and take sides.  The war will be bloody
   but mercifully sweet; the end will bring both sides a little closer,
   with a pact to help make the world a place where vinyl and CD can
   live side by side, in peace.

   Warner Brothers will acquire every music magazine, video company,
   music tv station, and record label by 1995; in an attempt to create
   a national music dictatorship.  President Bush will step in and declare
   this monopoly to be illegal, unconstitutional and unethical.  He will
   make a video and speak to the public, urging every citizen to use
   their freedom of choice--boycott Warner Brothers products.  He will
   make references to bands of the eighties that couldn't survive in
   the strictly business, corporate music world.  The nation will be
   so touched that a massive, virtually unanimous boycott of Warner
   Brothers products will take place.  WB will teeter on the brink
   of bankruptcy; Donald Trump will toy with the idea of taking over-
   death threats will quickly change his mind.  WB will go under,
   taking every label, magazine, Video company and music tv station
   with it.  The American public will be left with nothing; and with
   the opportunity to start something really new, something fresh-
   something original.  The music will be new again.  We will come
   to know this as Genesis.

   These are my predictions for the 1990's.

   Happy New Year to all.


    ann


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From: uunet!aob.aob.mn.org![e-mail] (Ann Mackinnon)
Subject: the 90's
Date: 28 Dec 1989 19:31:33 PST




    Oh, and by the way, I just wanted EVERYONE to know, especially
    you, Tim, how completely HONORED I am, and AWESTRUCK, that you
   "even agree" with me on a point....just when I thought there was
    no hope for us!  Perhaps we do have a future, after all....
    personally I have that "school girl" feeling every tme I think
    about it.

    Goodness, I nearly forgot--lest we not forget how incredibly BIG
    it was, and how HUMBLE Tim was in admitting his agreement with
    me, oh unholy-unhip spirit that I am.  And I am a girl, no less!


     take it light, folks---


      mccookie


      PS  To the gent who had a friend in the Leatherwoods from Kansas?
          Voted one of the top 10 bands in Minneapolis of 1989...but
          don't get too impressed, there are not that many and the
          company kept on the list is none too competitive.  But
          won't those folks back in Kansas be blown away!
          (I haven't seen them)


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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: origin of rap
Date: 29 Dec 1989 14:14:41 CST


My step-brother believes from his highschool days that rap "music" originates
>from black highschool cheerleaders, ten years ago.  He went to Texas state
competition where his all white team encountered 15 all black teams and
managed to take #2.  He said their cheerleaders did unbelievable moves.

Comments?
--John


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Hofmann 5577)
Subject: Wicdickless Strikes Again
Date: 29 Dec 1989 16:11:19 -0500


>back in the early 80s, before white people like hofmann went to gogo
>shows, and when you could go to shows without fear of shootings, The

Wait a sec, isn't there a paradox here?  Besides, there hasn't been a shooting
at a gogo since ol' Rayful Edmond III was put behind bars.  In fact, they
are bastions of TOLERANCE, brainless, but then again YOU only went to see
gogo when it was in "safe" context and you were sure there were enuf skinheads
around to save your fatass in case some big black dude pulled out his Uzi.

>Junkyard Band was definitely up there with TroubleFunk and Chuck Brown
>(talking 81-84 here kids). Couldn't play most clubs since they

I though JYB wasn't happenin' until '85-86 - i.e. second wave gogo w/
EU and Rare Essence.....

But...if you knew anything, thing, you'd know the band is still together
and still booking shows 'round here.  Their biggest gigs have been
in ARENAS, dickhead opening for the bigger touring rappers (MC Lyte,
LL Cool J, etc.).  They have a NEW tape out, dickheads, it's a PA Tape,
the kind that get blasted to hell out of the pickup trucks in my county,
and they might send you won if you write to POBox 23132, WDC 20026 which
is THEIR ADDRESS because THEY STILL EXIST.

>were underage, and there was (and is) a lock on the club bookings done
>by one management group (if you want to play go-go clubs, then you must
>have these guys as managers - this is why the early TroubleFunk shows
>were all done with people like Minor Threat and the Big Boys).

Ohyawn tell it to Cynthia, idiot, so she can write it in her dickhead little
punk picture book part II and you can jackoff to pictures of Ian with a
condom on his head...

By the way, two cell, the bassist from TroubleFunk is playing in jazz bands
around town that would make fucking Hsu (pronounced: "Achoo!")wet his plastic
panties - the working name of his group is ChainSaw Jazz - look for it soon on
Cunnieform Records.

>In 88 or so, DC passed the curfew law saying people
>under 18 can't be out after midnight on weekends.  Don't know if they're
>still around (wait for hofmann's interjection of band's sex history
>here), i'm surprised they toured at all, but City Gardens is not far
>away. And i even agree with Ann, that they made any Beaties/Faith combo
>look like shit - any group of inner-city blacks easily have the balls
>and drive to blow the pants off of a bunch of middle class white boys
>who feign hipness...

Man, have you seen Third Bass yet?  Whooo-eee, talk about racial self-hate..
part of their jive is that the white race was created from a bunch of
mutant blacks with leporsy...hey, Tim, let's go sell drugs in the ghetto
in order to keep the black man, down, maaan...

>as for Guitar Bands being the thing of the 90s, i predict that people
>will get too lazy to learn how to really play guitars ala Hendrix, Page,

ohblahblahblah, just get a Neneh Cherry record and shutupyourfuckingface...
or better yet get a Racing Form and act like a real human......

>Maybe kids will wake up and realize that the Skid Row/Bon Jove/Motley
>Crue/Poison/WhiteSnake slop being fed them on MTV isn't the only thing

More blahblah why EVEN fucking CARE about MTV, afterall we have Video
Jukebox and YOU, dude, YOU can be the VJ (*and if you'd shutup and quit
whining you'd go put on your own cable access show and become filthy
rich in five years playing Black Flag videos to all your idiot nostalgic
buddies)_

>attract more and more fringe people. (next big MTV thing - "MTV's
>Industrial Hour" hosted by Orge who talks constantly about working out
>and how the physically fit are the "chosen ones").

Well, at least you're still mildly amusing.

>maybe in the 90's Lou Reed will finally die (or retire) so we can remember
>him for the good shit he's done and not the stuff like "New York".

"I did drugs.  But you can't.  So nyah nyah de nyah nyah."

> ...yea, i've been pounding the tea...

Yeah, well we all don't have nudies of Laura B to jack off to, "dude".  Some
of us have to be content with "Chicks in Black Leather" and dating broads
that have bods like Tantala.  Speakin of old people, Willie Shoemaker
is over at Laurel this Saturday - come see the old dude get massacred by
the speedballs...

"Anybody who still says "dude" in 1986 is a fucking retard" - Jimbo, 1986


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From: Chuck D'Ambra <[e-mail]>
Subject: more on 90s music
Date: 29 Dec 1989 14:06:07 MST

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: more on 90s music
Date: 29 Dec 1989 14:06:07 MST

Actually, neither.  I didn't make those statements in a vacuum, but I almost
never read music mags.  I find out about new music mainly via this list
and listening to alternative broadcasting.  The "prediction" is based in
part on info gleaned that way, but also just on things that I currently
find interesting that seem to have great potential for further exploration.

> witness my previous review of the new furs albumen.  no keyboards.  none.
> nada.

As a big pre-discopop Furs fan, I welcome the move, but so far I'm underwhelmed
by their new one.

> and it's not surprising that people have eventually gotten sick of keyboards,
> since this has been the decade of their overuse.  it's time for stuff to
> balance out.  out out out goes the old age of boring digital synthesizers,
> and in in in rushes the exciting new era of . . . digital guitar effects.

Well said.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: more on 90s music
Date: 29 Dec 1989 14:06:07 MST

It's more like a pendulum that's begun to swing the other way.  It'll
change again in due time.  If you're unconvinced, what alternatives do
you have in mind?

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From: [e-mail] (John Hogge)
Subject: more on 90s music
Date: 29 Dec 1989 14:06:07 MST

Gad, I hope not.

> Backwards music as the replacment for industrial dance.  Find any album,
> crank bass via equilization, play backwards.  Albums will be made by mixing
> original forward music, especially guitar solos, on top of old backward albums.
> Call the genre FlashBACK.

:-)

> Look for sore thumb cross genres--harpsichords in metal bands, operatic singers
> in punk thrash bands, piano improv jazz amongst concrete white noise industrial
> shred, Bongwater-style mix of psych rock and found sound, folk music with
> speed guitar solos, 50's girl group with bagpipe, anything to shock
> sensibilities in the face of global peace.  Look for extremely sexually
> explicit lyrics in otherwise nice pop tunes.

I think you're half serious.  Some of these, and just cross genres in
general, could be really interesting.

And "anything to shock sensibilities in the face of global peace" hits an
essential nerve.  Music (art in general) reflects society.  Punk was partially
a response to a bleak outlook for English youth in the mid to late 70s.  If
the trend toward peace continues, an entirely different situation emerges.
It might be reflected in alternative music by further mixing of styles from
different cultures.

> From: [e-mail] (Jim Hofmann 5577)
> but that new Tom Petty album doesn't have one bad song on it.  Gee, it's
> guitar based as well!  Could ol' mutton face be ahead of the times again???

Yup, just like anything else the guitar resurgence will bring good stuff
and shit (the latter being where TP remains, IMHO).

Interesting responses so far, but what about you keyboard players/enthusiasts?
Other than people like Roger Miller, who can easily switch between keyboards
and guitar, you're gonna have to do something.  Any ideas for "new
developments" or do you think there's plenty of creative space left to
explore in industrial, ambient, etc.?

-=- Chuck


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From: [e-mail] (night... and the rats are crying.....)
Subject: Re:  the 90's
Date: 29 Dec 1989 16:46:46 PST


>  We will come to know this as Genesis.


Just as long as it doesn't include Phil Collins.....


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From: "David F. McWade" <[e-mail]>
Subject: gothic music and shit
Date: 29 Dec 1989 14:28:01 -0500 (EST)


Hey.  I need some help.  What I'd like to do is do an all gothic show on
my campus radio station for next semester, and basically I need
suggestions.  When I say gothic I mean gothic, all inclusive, i.e. all
the different types of music that could be implemented into a gothic
show:  New wave-ish gothic, like And Also The Trees or the Sisters of
Mercy, the more industrial-type stuff like Coil or Cindytalk, or pop
stuff like Tear Garden/Clan of Xymox etc, drone stuff like Nurse with
Wound, ambience type stuff, etc. etc. etc.  Anything within any of those
categories.  I want my show to be scary, depressing, etc.  Anyone with
any or many suggestions is welcome to send to my mailbox or post names
of bands with brief descriptions.  If you have a lot of knowledge about
the subject, write a whole list!  The more obscure and weird, the
better......

Thanks in advance to all suggestions,

Dave


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From: [e-mail] (John M Davison)
Subject: SRL Industrial Culture (or lack thereof) Handbook
Date: 30 Dec 1989 17:57:32 -0500


I'm still looking for information like ISBN number (if there is one) for the
K & R manual of the Industrial "Culture"...I seem to recall that Mason Jones
or someone else posted all pertinent info a while back...but I haven't been
saving the nm-list messages...as a matter of fact, I don't have time to read
a lot of what the nm-list sends me while I'm logging in at 1200 bps (this will
change in about two weeks, when 38.4 Kbps tubes will be available again).  Thus
I respectfully ask that someone personally mail me the info...

thank y'all


[e-mail]
[e-mail]
[e-mail]
-...pur-ee!davisonj
finger: [e-mail]


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From: "Barry L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  the 90's
Date: 30 Dec 1989 19:29 CST

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From: uunet!aob.aob.mn.org![e-mail]
Subject: Re:  the 90's
Date: 30 Dec 1989 19:29 CST

>   Warner Brothers will acquire every music magazine, video company,
>   music tv station, and record label by 1995; in an attempt to create
>   a national music dictatorship.  President Bush will step in and declare
>   this monopoly to be illegal, unconstitutional and unethical.  He will
>   make a video and speak to the public, urging every citizen to use
>   their freedom of choice--boycott Warner Brothers products.  He will
>   make references to bands of the eighties that couldn't survive in
>   the strictly business, corporate music world.

...but no one hears him because the entire infotainment industry
is run by Warners, who find the President's message "shockingly
anti-capitalistic" and "completely against the intent of our founding
fathers, who built this land on the principles of glorious consumerism".
Warner refuses to air Bush's statement, and further declares that at
no time in the future will Bush be allowed to appear on the air or in
print.  As a result, George Bush ceases to exist.  Dan Quayle is sworn
in as president and chooses GG Allin to be vice-president.

It matters little to the public that GG committed suicide in 1990, because
the miracle of "video sampling" allows him to completely simulated on
television.  In fact, one of the highlights of his tenure in office is
his constant threat to commit suicide on national tv if Congress doesn't
vote the Quayle line.

His video-simulated suicides are the talk of the infotainment industry.
The plan backfires when Congress begins intentionally voting against DQ's
wishes just to see what kind of grisly death GG can devise next.  GG is
replaced as VP by Deborah Norville.

Or not.

- blg


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From: "Barry L." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  the 90's
Date: 30 Dec 1989 19:43 CST

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From: uunet!aob.aob.mn.org![e-mail]
Subject: Re:  the 90's
Date: 30 Dec 1989 19:43 CST

>      PS  To the gent who had a friend in the Leatherwoods from Kansas?

That would be me.

>          Voted one of the top 10 bands in Minneapolis of 1989...but
>          don't get too impressed, there are not that many and the
>          company kept on the list is none too competitive.

Yeh, that's what Todd said.  He's in Lawrence for a while, I guess.
Something about Minnesota being "fucking cold".

>          But won't those folks back in Kansas be blown away!

Obviously another slanderous attempt at a Wizard of Oz metaphor.

>          (I haven't seen them)

You really ought to check them out.  I really think you'll like Todd
Newman's stuff.  Especially if you like the "Let it Be" kinda Replacements
kinda stuff kinda thang.  This is better, tho.

And didn't you like Lions and Dogs?  I think Todd still does some of their
old stuff.  I hear the Leatherwoods are trying for an album deal.  Of course,
so is just about every other band in the world.  They think they have a pretty
good shot at it, tho.

- Barry (Bored in Kansas)


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From: [e-mail] (del Amitri)
Subject: diamanda galas
Date: 31 Dec 1989 15:37:38 -0500


hopelessly outta touch, probably,
but could someone fill me in on this guy.
specifically, i have seen a triple CD set on mute (1988)
entitled: diamanda galas _the masque of the red death_.

is it worth the $26?
neat-o package.  so what.

-del
"jesus loves the spacemen 3. jesus, i love you" - pat fish


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From: [e-mail] (Monica Macaulay)
Subject: junkyard band
Date: 31 Dec 1989 20:23:10 -0500


When I lived in the D.C. area in 87-88, I read an article about
them, which, sad to say, was inspired by the recent shooting death
of one of the founding members.  I get the impression they just
quit at that point.  But does anybody know if any of them went
on to other things musical?
They had a great single out that I remember playing a lot when I
worked at KALX... can't remember the name of it (getting OLD!!!)
- does anybody know?

- Monica (& bad self)