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n64-digest         Wednesday, October 6 1999         Volume 01 : Number 913



Re: [N64] wars again
Re: [N64] Dolphin's compression technology
[N64] Miyamoto interview in Nov. NG
Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?
Re: [N64] Miyamoto interview in Nov. NG
Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?
Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?
Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?
Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?
Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?
Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?
Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?
Re: [N64] wars again
Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?
Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?
Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?
Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?
Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?
[N64] F-zero X
[N64] Donkey Kong 64
Re: [N64] F-zero X
Re: [N64] Donkey Kong 64
[N64] hav u ever been pantsed on a wednesday?
Re: [N64] Donkey Kong 64
Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?
Re: [N64] Donkey Kong 64
Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?
Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?
Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 21:03:23 -0600
From: D Fentie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] wars again

What the #%^& is wrong with your brain Emily?  You are WRONG, the N64
has more graphical power.  Do you think that prerendered scenes and FMV
are directly related to graphical power?

Emily Schwarz wrote:
>
> >   Just to take a vote, who has the most graphical power: PSX, or 64 (I'm
> >doing this just to "test the water" so to speak).
>
> -PSX.  But watch out for the endless load times and slowdown.  BTW:
> Nintendo Dolpin will be more powerful than PSX2
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 23:01:54 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Dolphin's compression technology

  Sorry about the mistake in S3tc's name when I said
" I guess that Nintendo isn't the only one with the ST3 compression
technology because upon visiting the ST3 site I found out that since
Microsoft licenses it, regular developers can use some of it (the source is
only available by some sort of license).  It was a pretty big mess up, but it
is S3tc, not ST3.

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 20:40:22 PDT
From: "Elliot Jefferson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [N64] Miyamoto interview in Nov. NG

Here are some other points from the article.

The interview was with Shigeru Miyamoto (S.M.) and Hiroshi Imanishi (H.M.),
who's refered to as 'Nintendo's number-two executive."

SM:"Right now, the hardware development team is asking if we, the software
creators, have any extra desires to add into the hardware design...So rather
than thinking about what we want the new machine to do, I'm concerned more
on thinking about what we should do with the new hardware."

After being asked to elaborate...

SM:"Like whether we should devote our energies into using the full capacity
of the machine or whether we should say, "we've got a new machine with so
much power , so rather than making every possible effrt to take advantage of
everything that's there, maybe we should concentrate on using just part of
the power, but using it very effectively."  This would let us spend less
money & time & effort & still come up with better solutions and effects in
comparison to what we are doing with N64."

As far as $ 99 goes, forget it.  S.M. said maybe, but if you leave the DVD
drive out.

A basic design for the chipset has been made, but won't be finished until
next year.

H.I. - 2000 deadline depends on if games materialize by then.

S.M. has began work on a variety of projects, "making foundations and
environmentsfor the development of several different projects."

S.M. thinks the 'next step' in games isn't networked players (SEGA), or
emotion (Sony) but the idea itself. "...something which nobody is thinking
about."

S.M. on N64 failure - missed two christmas seasons aganist competitors, no
'good' rpg at release, no 3d fighting game at release, & nintendo being
"aganist that kind of boom and tried to make it's own boom."

H.I. "If we are just concerned about recapturing the share [of the old
market], we are destined to repeat the failure of Sega.  Mr. Yamauchi
sometimes says "Where does Sega look?"  Sega is always looking at Nintendo,
and Sega was just trying to capture the market share Nintendo already had.
Mr. Yamauchi is always saying that if we are going to make a product, that
product must have a meaning to it's existence and that we are not making
products to compete with some existing other things."

Will Square come back?
H.I. "It's up to them, but..." (Gotta save some for those who have't got
their issues yet. :) )
S.M. "It's not which company is there..."

That's the gist of the article, but there's some details left out.  Pretty
good for a two page interview.

Elliot

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:17:46 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?

Pokemon is good but its all aoubt Zelda

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 21:53:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Finger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Miyamoto interview in Nov. NG

On Tue, 5 Oct 1999, Elliot Jefferson wrote:

> Here are some other points from the article.
<snip>
> Will Square come back?
> H.I. "It's up to them, but..." (Gotta save some for those who have't got
> their issues yet. :) )
> S.M. "It's not which company is there..."

Those of us who get NG and actually cared about spoilers wouldn't be
reading this in the first place, and now those of us who don't get NG are
just annoyed =)

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:55:49 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?

You are wrong, Alucard. Pok=E9mon is better!

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:15:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Finger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> You are wrong, Alucard. Pok=E9mon is better!

Would you please quote what you're replying to? It's very confusing to
read your mesages without it.

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 01:36:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?

Zelda is much better then pokemon and a much bigger franchise

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:56:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Finger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> Zelda is much better then pokemon and a much bigger franchise

You can make whatever arguments you want for Zelda, but thats not one of
them i'm afraid.

Zelda has Five games out i beleive? Pokemone has... um... (counts in head)
nine games that i can think of, and possibly some more i'm forgetting
about. Zelda does not have a daily anime show or a movie coming out,
Pokemon does. Zelda does not have a playing card game, Pokemon does. Zelda
does not have millions of little plastic figures and toys, Pokemon does.

Whatever strengths Zelda has going for it, a franchise is not one of them.

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 02:04:52 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?

Zelda is much bigger then pokemon , pokemon is a fad everyone will forget
later

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 00:53:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Finger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

> Zelda is much bigger then pokemon , pokemon is a fad everyone will forget
> later

That doesn't really matter, because even as a franchise goes out, it's
still more of one than zelda has ever had.

Besides, i don't think pokemon will have faded out by the time Dolphn
comes out, not unless it gets delayed for far longer than we want to think
about.

And anotehr besides, it is a fad, but fads that popularize a whole new
genre tend to have a lot more staying power than your average fad. After
all, mario got started as a 2D platform character, and how many of those
do you see around anymore? As the first really popular 2D platformer
however, he transcended the genre and became a permenant ficture in
gaming. Everyone may suffer massive burnout from pokemon, but if not, taht
seems to be the route Pikachu and company are headed.

So again, if you want to argue about why a Zelda game would be better,
come up with something a little more substantial. Talking about gameplay
or plot or such might be useful.

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:13:56 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?

Will the dolphin destroy the competetion i think it will becuase it will be
the fastest and the best it deosnt need cd,dvd,or backwards playbility to be
the best or a good system its a videogame console not a home entertainment
system.I think dolphin will reign supreme.

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 14:21:21 EDT
From: "Justin Smith-Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] wars again

Well I personaly LOVE my N64 alot better than I do the PSX.I love the 64
because it has the Nintendo games I love (of course) and proably for the
loads of fun I have playing it with my friends.When playing Goldeneye with
friends it became more of you on the battlefield yourself instead of you
just playing a game.Whem you knew a grenade or missle was coming after you
you screamed and started breathing heavy it was basically just a war screams
here explosions there gunfire here and people running everywhere I've yet to
have an experience like this with the Playstation.


>From: "Eddy Wu" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: [N64] wars again
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:16:09 -0400
>
>I think I posted something about this earlier, but the reason people defend
>the system that they own almost religiously at times is because they made
>the decision to buy one of the two systems, and it wouldn't make any sense
>to buy the worse system. So, by buying an N64, you are declaring that you
>think it is the better system.  When other people say the PSX is better,
>N64-owners feel insulted because it implies that they made the wrong
>decision, and that they are stupid.
>For some, they take it so far that they don't even want to play the other
>system, which is an extreme. For me, I like my N64, since I don't have the
>money to own two systems and buy games for both, but I'll play good PSX
>games at my friends' houses.
>
>BTW, I have a question for Emily. Why don't you like the PSX if you think
>"the games on it are pretty great"?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Emily Schwarz <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 5:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [N64] wars again
>
> >- You make a great point, if some one wants to play ONLY 1 system, and
> >totaly stosp playing all others it's their loss.  I personaly don't like
> >PSX, but I always play it at my friend's house just because the games on
>it
> >are pretty great.  As far as wars go, when nintendo dolpin & PSX2 come
>out
>I
> >predict even more people will join in to love 1, and hate all others.
>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 14:26:45 EDT
From: "Justin Smith-Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?

If I were to have one game made for the Dolphin it would have to be Super
Smash Brothers.That game is just fun to no end I can and proably will play
it forever.Imagine all the new characters they could have Ganon Geno(from
Super Mario RPG) Mallow(Super Mario Rpg) some of the Metroid bosses like
Ripley Zelda/Shiek Bowser and his kids the possibilities of characters goes
on and on and on.Ar you just drooling now just thinking about it.


>From: "Eddy Wu" <[e-mail]>
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: <[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: [N64] Whats Your Choice?
>Date: Tue, 5 Oct 1999 22:05:54 -0400
>
>um... probably a 3D Pokemon RPG, if it was done well. I imagine a game that
>took like 5 years in development time, including thousands of different
>Pokemon and a whole world to explore. Somehow I don't think it will happen,
>at least not in the next generation =)
>
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>From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 1:15 AM
>Subject: [N64] Whats Your Choice?
>
>
> >If you had to pick one game to have made for the Dolphin, what woud it
>be?
> >(from any developer)
> >
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 14:43:09 EDT
From: "Justin Smith-Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?

Dolphin can should and will reign supreme.It justs has to launch with these
5 games.Mario(of course), Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon RPG(all new), and Perfect
Dark 2.Now that's just the beginning folks after you've completed those it
needs these to continue to kick butt:Super Smash Brothers2, Mario
Kart(perhaps with online capability), Wave Race2, a new WWf game from THQ,
Turok4 and Turok Rage Wars2(also online), then a new Fire Emblem, Mario rpg,
Earthbound, and sequels to Perfect Dark2 and the new Zelda.Man I'm drooling
just from writing this and if this won't kick Sony and Sega's A$$'S then
nothing in the world can.


>From: [e-mail]
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?
>Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:13:56 EDT
>
>Will the dolphin destroy the competetion i think it will becuase it will be
>the fastest and the best it deosnt need cd,dvd,or backwards playbility to
>be
>the best or a good system its a videogame console not a home entertainment
>system.I think dolphin will reign supreme.
>
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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 20:27:09 +0100
From: Kristian de Groot <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?

Nintendo must do two things:
1. Create a strong network with the best software companies.
2. Don't be too late with the launch date. The majority(not hardcore
gamers) won't pay for another 128bit machine if they already got one! Or it
must have extremely better quality...

What i heard they are late compared to PSII. You can create better hardware
in the extra time but if it will lead to leadership...
I have my doubts,

Kris


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Date: 6 Oct 1999 13:16:22 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?

On Wed, 06 October 1999, [e-mail] wrote:

>
> Will the dolphin destroy the competetion i think it will becuase it will be
> the fastest and the best it deosnt need cd,dvd,or backwards playbility to be
> the best or a good system its a videogame console not a home entertainment
> system.I think dolphin will reign supreme.
> -----------------------------------------------------
I highly doubt the the dolphin will be better than the the new Dreamcast. For one thing, cd's are cheaper and more reliable than cartridges. The dreamcast has a 56k modem built in. And it has 128mb of ram.
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:20:22 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?

In a message dated 10/6/99 3:17:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I highly doubt the the dolphin will be better than the the new Dreamcast.
For one thing, cd's are cheaper and more reliable than cartridges. The
dreamcast has a 56k modem built in. And it has 128mb of ram. >>


    I thought Dolpin was going to use DVD?  And didn't the Dreamcast have
some major bug in it's modem software?

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:41:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Finger <[e-mail]>
Subject: [N64] F-zero X

Well, switching to white cat helped alot, thanks. Second try after
switching i beat Jack cup on expert. (thats what i get i guess for
violating two of my fundamental rules at once, female characters are
always better than male characters, and kitty characters are always better
than anyone else =)

Now if i queen king and cup would jsut stop being so difficult =) Perhaps
i should try moving the speed/acceleration bar down a few notches like
suggested, but i seem to have the best results two notches form the top,
although maybe i just need to practice more at the lower setting.

Anyone have any suggestion for killing other cars? So far i've managed to
get second and third pverall despite consistently scoring sixth to tenth
on the races by destroying my competition.

At the momment i'm experimenting with doing a spin attack right at the
begining. Usuaully it takes out one or two of the people behind me if i'm
lucky, ie people who scored better than me in the last race. Unfortunatly
it usaully doesn't take out my rival. And i usually don't have too much
luck hunting them down and taking them out after that.

So any more advice of eitehr the destructive or nondestructive type?

thanks

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:43:41 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [N64] Donkey Kong 64

Does anyone know if DK 64 comes packed with the 4mb expansion pack?

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:51:01 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] F-zero X

i still say gameshark..........o, GOLDFINGER RULES!!!!!!

                                captain skanka skanka falcon

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:51:39 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Donkey Kong 64

yes it does come with it.You could read about it at IGN64.

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:52:04 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [N64] hav u ever been pantsed on a wednesday?

hey - i know it ain't got n e thing 2 do with n64 - but its a good question!

                    captain skanka skanka falcon

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:52:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Donkey Kong 64

yes, it will - and it'll be free too (no xtra charge 4 tha ram pak)

captain where's my gavel? falcon

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 16:58:15 -0400
From: "Eddy Wu" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?

Um.. you don't want any non-sequels?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Justin Smith-Williams <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?


>Dolphin can should and will reign supreme.It justs has to launch with these
>5 games.Mario(of course), Zelda, Metroid, Pokemon RPG(all new), and Perfect
>Dark 2.Now that's just the beginning folks after you've completed those it
>needs these to continue to kick butt:Super Smash Brothers2, Mario
>Kart(perhaps with online capability), Wave Race2, a new WWf game from THQ,
>Turok4 and Turok Rage Wars2(also online), then a new Fire Emblem, Mario
rpg,
>Earthbound, and sequels to Perfect Dark2 and the new Zelda.Man I'm drooling
>just from writing this and if this won't kick Sony and Sega's A$$'S then
>nothing in the world can.
>
>
>>From: [e-mail]
>>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>>To: [e-mail]
>>Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?
>>Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 06:13:56 EDT
>>
>>Will the dolphin destroy the competetion i think it will becuase it will
be
>>the fastest and the best it deosnt need cd,dvd,or backwards playbility to
>>be
>>the best or a good system its a videogame console not a home entertainment
>>system.I think dolphin will reign supreme.
>>
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:00:06 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Donkey Kong 64

In a message dated 10/6/99 4:54:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< yes, it will - and it'll be free too (no xtra charge 4 tha ram pak) >>
Actually, DK64 will be 69.95$ MSRP. However, TRU (Toys R Us) is selling them
at 59.95$ because they are so big and buy and sell so many copies they can
afford to do this. Also, there is rumor that there may be a trade-in type
deal where you can trade in your existing ram pack and get money off of DK64,
but Nintendo won't confirm.

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:01:00 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?

   <>
  What are you on man.  128 mb of RAM.  More like 26 (16MB main RAM, 8MB
VRAM, and 2MB sound RAM).  And also, cartridges.  The Dolphin is DVD.  Where
ever you get your info is so far off (except maybe for the fact that Nintendo
is using so much compression technology that the load times may be similar to
cartridges).  Also, the Dreamcast doesn't use CD's, but instead proprietary
GD-ROM's. Before you say something, make sure it is right next time.

Jeremiah

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:01:27 -0400
From: "Eddy Wu" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?

You thought right. This would be one of those idiot posts who have no
support whatsoever for what they are saying.

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From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, October 06, 1999 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?


>In a message dated 10/6/99 3:17:39 PM Central Daylight Time,
>[e-mail] writes:
>
><< I highly doubt the the dolphin will be better than the the new
Dreamcast.
>For one thing, cd's are cheaper and more reliable than cartridges. The
>dreamcast has a 56k modem built in. And it has 128mb of ram. >>
>
>
>    I thought Dolpin was going to use DVD?  And didn't the Dreamcast have
>some major bug in it's modem software?
>
>--Digital Phoenix
>
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 1999 14:27:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geoff Finger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Will the Dolphin Reign Supreme?

On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 [e-mail] wrote:

>    <>
>   What are you on man.  128 mb of RAM.  More like 26 (16MB main RAM, 8MB
> VRAM, and 2MB sound RAM).  And also, cartridges.  The Dolphin is DVD.  Where
> ever you get your info is so far off (except maybe for the fact that Nintendo
> is using so much compression technology that the load times may be similar to
> cartridges).  Also, the Dreamcast doesn't use CD's, but instead proprietary
> GD-ROM's. Before you say something, make sure it is right next time.

Hmmm, i would guess that they saw someplace stating that the Dreamcast has
128 Mb of memory, which if it has 16 MB main RAM would be true.

As for the DVD/cartridge thing, yes, they are defiantly way off on that
one =)

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