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n64-digest           Friday, August 21 1998           Volume 01 : Number 458



Re: [N64] Expansion pak price
Re: [N64] 640X480 Again 2
Re: [N64] Turok II too hard?
Re: [N64] Expansion pak price
Re: [N64] Expansion pak price
Re: [N64] Turok II too hard?
[N64] RE: totally
[N64] NTSC
Re:  Re: [N64] which game?
Re:  Re: [N64] which game?
[N64] Turok 2 4 Sale?!
Re: Re[2]: [N64] Forsaken 64
Re: [N64] which game?
[N64] 640x480 reply
Re[4]: [N64] Forsaken 64
Re: [N64] Turok 2 4 Sale?!
Re: [N64] BS about OS
Re: [N64] Expansion pak price
Re: [N64] BS about OS
Re: [N64] D. Fente's RAMpage
Re: [N64] 640X480 Again -> Atari Hi-Res
Re: [N64] crime in Nintendoland
Re: [N64] upgrading RAM
Re: [N64] Turok 2 4 Sale?!
Re: [N64] BS about OS
Re: [N64] BS about OS
Re: [N64] BS about OS
Re: [N64] BS about OS

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:19:11 -0400
From: "Eddy Wu" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Expansion pak price

Um.. No. You sem to be misunderstanding. I was trying to make the point that
the RAM is the same everywhere. I was NOT suggesting that you actaully plug
in your own RAM. For one thing, cutting up those circuit boards is not a
good idea. Second, the speed of the RAM that you put in might not be
compatible with that of the RAM already in the system. Third, putting in 64
megs wouldn't do you any good anyway, since there ae no games designed to
take advantage of that.

It does, however bring up a good point. Has there ever been a system that
lets you upgrade RAM by pluggin more in? This sounds really good to me.
Theoretically, Nintendo could release an expansion pak for 8, 16, even 32
megs of RAM. This would, technically at least, even the playing field with
some of those new systems.

However, I can think of a lot of reasons why this is not gonna happen. One,
developers would have to do more coding to see whether someone has the
expansion. Two, and more importantly, 32 megs of RAM would be insane. Why?
The biggest cart size announced is 32 Megs (Zelda and Turok II). That means
that you could store the entire cart in your RAM. There are no advantages to
this.. access times wouldn't be significantly better, since carts are so
fast anyway.


- -----Original Message-----
From: D Fentie <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, August 21, 1998 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [N64] Expansion pak price


>so, potentially, if what you say is correct, I could boost my N64's ram
>up to 64MB WOOOOOWIEEEEEEEEE
>
>[e-mail] wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 98-08-20 16:54:51 EDT, Eddy Wu wrote:
>>
>> > Um.. you see those little chips that are mounted onto a curcuit board?
then
>> >  you plug the circuitboard into your motherboard? the actual RAM are
those
>> >  little black/gray chips. You can just change the shape of the
curcuitboard,
>> >  and encase it in that plastic stuff that Nintendo uses, and BAM! You
have a
>> >  memory pak.
>>
>> Sounds interesting but I'd rather just pay the $20.
>>
>> Trey
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:22:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Carson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] 640X480 Again 2

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998, Halgord Saleh wrote:

> Hehehe oooppps. I talked to my friend on the phone and he said that the
> max res on a normal TV is 640X480.
>
> /Sheytan
>

No. It can disply it, but most TV's can not due true 640x480.  ITS
COMPRESSION PEOPLE!!!

John
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:24:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Carson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Turok II too hard?

On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, D Fentie wrote:

> I'll admit that Turok will be a great game but it seems kind of hard at
> the moment (is that a good thing????).  I think it is very fun to have a
> challenge, but.... it is also another thing to have an impossible feat.
> I admit I'm very far from being the best player and I remember some
> people having problems on Goldeneye and they were frustrated when they
> couldn't get that one cheat they just needed.  I KNOW that the more
> difficult a game is the better, but there is a limit.

Why are you wining about it being too hard and you havent even played it.
I am fed up with these easy cheesy games that Nintendo puts out.  I even
think Banjo could stand to be a little harder.  When are they gonna make
games that challenge us?  Isnt that what the difficult setting is SUPPOSED
to do?

Goldeneye was the only game I can think of that was hard enough in hard
mode. (007) <- SWEET!

Just a thought.

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University of Arkansas


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:29:42 +0100
From: "Brian Baird" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Expansion pak price

At 09:19 21/08/98 -0400, you wrote:
>
>However, I can think of a lot of reasons why this is not gonna happen. One,
>developers would have to do more coding to see whether someone has the
>expansion. Two, and more importantly, 32 megs of RAM would be insane. Why?
>The biggest cart size announced is 32 Megs (Zelda and Turok II). That means
>that you could store the entire cart in your RAM. There are no advantages to
>this.. access times wouldn't be significantly better, since carts are so
>fast anyway.

You've misunderstood what the extra RAM would be used for. Not for speeding
up access to data on ROM - that's almost instantly available anyway, right
Gordon? It's used for bigger video buffers - ie instead of 320x240, 640x480
becomes an option. It's used to allow programmers more complex in-game data
structures, e.g. games with more characters walking about, more people to
shoot. Things like that.

The problem with having a whole range of memory add-ons is that it gets
increasingly more difficult to support - with one solitary size, it's an
"either/or" case, with more, the programmer cannot be sure what size of
market there'll be.


Brian @ DMA

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:33:27 +0100
From: Adrian Mander <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Expansion pak price

This had in memory is an old idea. Someone asked whether
it had happened before. The ZX spectrum is an ideal example
you upgrade your chugging 16k mem with an additional 32k to make
a whopping 48k. They were abit of a pain because now again if you knocked the
back your game could crash as the damn memory lost its connection.

Nintendo is old hat ;)

Ade


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:49:22 -0600
From: D Fentie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Turok II too hard?

I SAID that there is a limit that is all.  I like challenging games but
I just merely said there is a limit.  anyone played WWF Warzone on GB?
Now that is too hard.  the computer moves faster, and can execute moves
like 4 times faster.

John Carson wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, D Fentie wrote:
>
> > I'll admit that Turok will be a great game but it seems kind of hard at
> > the moment (is that a good thing????).  I think it is very fun to have a
> > challenge, but.... it is also another thing to have an impossible feat.
> > I admit I'm very far from being the best player and I remember some
> > people having problems on Goldeneye and they were frustrated when they
> > couldn't get that one cheat they just needed.  I KNOW that the more
> > difficult a game is the better, but there is a limit.
>
> Why are you wining about it being too hard and you havent even played it.
> I am fed up with these easy cheesy games that Nintendo puts out.  I even
> think Banjo could stand to be a little harder.  When are they gonna make
> games that challenge us?  Isnt that what the difficult setting is SUPPOSED
> to do?
>
> Goldeneye was the only game I can think of that was hard enough in hard
> mode. (007) <- SWEET!
>
> Just a thought.
>
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> University of Arkansas
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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:23:44 -0400
From: Chris Clark <[e-mail]>
Subject: [N64] RE: totally

Online polls are a waste of time. Total doddle to rig, total waste of
braincells if you take them seriously. Mind you, the SpaceBastards poll
is
a total exception to this :)


Brian @ DMA

I eat Total every morning too.  With milk.  Totally.  :-)

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:28:54 -0500
From: Michael Bauers <[e-mail]>
Subject: [N64] NTSC

As usual I have forgotten how many NTSC scan lines there are?

512 lines?  2 frame of 256?

How does the number of scan lines on a VHS tape compare to the NTSC number,
and how does VHS circuitry compensate?

I know super VHS has more scan lines, but it has to be less than NTSC right?
Or can the video out signal have more scan lines?

Michael Bauers
DGS


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:36:46 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Re: [N64] which game?

In a message dated 8/20/1998 6:15:11 AM, you wrote:

<<> Apples & Oranges. Completely different genre of games. Would you compare
>  Mario to Quake?
>
>  Brian @ DMA

I would, why not? I'd always pick Mario over Quake.

Trey>>

He said Compare not pick over :)

Michael

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:08:35 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re:  Re: [N64] which game?

In a message dated 8/20/1998 6:42:34 PM, you wrote:

<<I'm 13. I don't have a steady job, I don't get an allowance, I don't get
nothin'. But my birthday is in September. Hehehe... =:^)

~Matt
>>

you lucky dog, I get $30 total for my birthday. Your famley is rich arn't
they. ;)

Michael
P.S. I hope you guys (and gals) don't think I'm flaming Matt, he's my friend

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:30:31 -0400
From: "Wezzer" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [N64] Turok 2 4 Sale?!

I went to check out the Nintendojo classifieds like usual and I found
this ad:

For Sale: Turok 2 Cart
"Considering the heavy hype under the game now, I figure I should sell
this, it is an old cart from
 acclaim, please do not ask how I got it, let's just say it wasn't
totally legal (I have some screwed
 up friends who gave it to me). Though this may seem like a steep price,
$120 US is what I am  charging for it, I am not deadset on this price,
but I won't go under a hundred. This thing cost my
 friends about $250 Can, so don't complain. For those who are curious
this is after the e3 version."


 Could this be possible???  Or is it some kind of hoax?


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:47:19 -0600
From: "Ian \"Asha'man_X\" Dickson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [N64] Forsaken 64

>     I got it for $35.00 Canadian (that's about $2.00 U.S.) at a
>local place we have called Cash CVonverters.

Cash Converters?  Really?  $35?  Hehehehehehe...when I first went to cash
converters when it opened, they had like Mario 64 and selling it for $99.
Maybe they have finally seen some light. Or just got their heads out of the
clouds!

- -Ian Dickson
Blasted_1



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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:50:58 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] which game?

No, not rich. Big. I get about $10, maybe $15 per person in my family.
However, I have 4 aunts and 2 uncles on my mom's side and 3 other aunts on my
dad's side.

<<you lucky dog, I get $30 total for my birthday. Your famley is rich arn't
they. ;)>>

<<Michael
P.S. I hope you guys (and gals) don't think I'm flaming Matt, he's my friend>>

:-)

~Matt

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:54:10 -0600
From: "Ian \"Asha'man_X\" Dickson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [N64] 640x480 reply

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 12:52:48 EST
From: "Russ Lapenna" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re[4]: [N64] Forsaken 64



>>     I got it for $35.00 Canadian (that's about $2.00 U.S.) at a
>>local place we have called Cash CVonverters.

>Cash Converters?  Really?  $35?  Hehehehehehe...when I first went to cash
>converters when it opened, they had like Mario 64 and selling it for $99.
>Maybe they have finally seen some light. Or just got their heads out of the
>clouds!

     Yeah the first time I went in they were all $60, I'd like to think I'm
partly responsible, as I pointed out to them that Nintendo had brought many of
their games down to $49.99 brand new. Well now it's the only place I go for
games.


>-Ian Dickson
>Blasted_1

Russ


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:00:35 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Turok 2 4 Sale?!

Most likely a hoax. I mean, unless he has some buddies in Texas who stole a
most likely incomplete version of Turok 2 on a reusable ROM (or whatever, Peer
was talking about 'em in an N-Query), it's a hoax. And besides, putting up a
classified like that can get his arse busted, but I doubt it.

On a related note, I pre-purchased Turok II like I said a while ago. But I
checked the alleged due date as to when the game would be in and to my
surprise it said September 6th. I'm guessing that this is maybe a misprint in
Toys "R" Us' prepurchase tickets, but after a few weeks I went back and it
still said the 6th on other tickets. Anyone else have this... er... problem?
Or should I said good fortune?

~Matt

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:41:58 GMT
From: "Graeme Sheppard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] BS about OS

Whilst I agree that Tomb Raider set new standards for the third
person genre, I found it an extremely dull game. In, fact it's the
kind of game that kept me loyal to Nintendo.

And there are conflicting 3D card standards, which fragments the
support. To get the most out of a card, programmers must code
specifically for it. If not, you get the DirectX dumbed down version,
which no-one talks about.

Graeme.


> Date:          Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:20:14 -0500 (CDT)
> From:          John Carson <[e-mail]>
> To:            [e-mail]
> Subject:       Re: [N64] BS about OS
> Reply-to:      [e-mail]

> On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>
> So you are saying Tomb Raider was not a good game? Ok. Sure.
> That game set new standards for the third person genre.  I could care less
> if it was a woman or not, the game ruled.  I don't think its large sales
> are due to a large busted polygon that costs $40 to see, when people can
> buy a plyboy for $5.  Its gameplay and graphics.
>
>
> Its called direct x, or direct 3d.  Its a standard as well as 3dfx.  Those
> are the major 2.  And most cards ARE Direct3d compatable.
>
>

Shep.

[e-mail]
http://www.theloonybin.u-net.com/N64.htm

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:43:52 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Expansion pak price

>so, potentially, if what you say is correct, I could boost my N64's ram
>up to 64MB WOOOOOWIEEEEEEEEE

Even if you could it would just be wasted RAM since no game would take
advantage of it.

Tom McShea


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:49:01 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] BS about OS

>So you are saying Tomb Raider was not a good game? Ok. Sure.
>That game set new standards for the third person genre.  I could care less
>if it was a woman or not, the game ruled.  I don't think its large sales
>are due to a large busted polygon that costs $40 to see, when people can
>buy a plyboy for $5.  Its gameplay and graphics.

Let's not get in a Tomb Raider argument on this list. It's pointless.
Everyone has their own opinion and they aren't going to change it. I've
been in constant fights trying to convince people that TR, Resident Evil,
and San Fran Rush are garbage but haven't changed anyone's mind.

Hey, you know what all of those games have in common? Terrible control but
good graphics. Hmmm....

Tom McShea


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:01:06 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] D. Fente's RAMpage

In a message dated 98-08-21 00:55:11 EDT, D. Fente wrote:

> so, potentially, if what you say is correct, I could boost my N64's ram
>  up to 64MB WOOOOOWIEEEEEEEEE

Even if you could there would be no reason to do so since no game will be
programmed to use 64MB of RAM anytime soon.

Trey

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:04:24 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] 640X480 Again -> Atari Hi-Res

In a message dated 98-08-21 02:00:44 EDT, Halgord Saleh wrote:

> Don┤t you guys remeber when you connected an atari on the tv you could not
>  use the hi res mode. But if you used a monitor you could use hi res mode is
>  the same with a PC.
>

You mean the VCS had a Hi-Res mode? That's be cool to play Adventure or
Pitfall 2 in hi-res. Really, which Atari do you mean? The 2600, 2800, 5200,
7800, 400, 800, 1200, 1200XL, XE, ST, Lynx, or Jaguar? Did I miss any Ataris?

Trey

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:05:48 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] crime in Nintendoland

In a message dated 98-08-21 04:02:28 EDT, you write:

> That's ever so slightly different from a game where you get regularly
>  carjacked, kill police men, and commit 'proper' crimes all over the place.
>
>
>  Brian @ DMA

And killing Little Goombas is different?
I think not ;).

Trey

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:13:51 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] upgrading RAM

In a message dated 98-08-21 09:22:39 EDT, Eddy Wu wrote:

> It does, however bring up a good point. Has there ever been a system that
>  lets you upgrade RAM by pluggin more in? This sounds really good to me.
>  Theoretically, Nintendo could release an expansion pak for 8, 16, even 32
>  megs of RAM. This would, technically at least, even the playing field with
>  some of those new systems.
>

Let me sing the praises of the PC Engine once again. Throughout the years of
the PC Engine CD-ROM, 1989 to 1995, it had a few RAM upgrades. For the CD-ROM
RAM it started off with only 64k of RAM, let me tell you that was really slow.
Then in 1991 it got a RAM upgrade that put it up to 2MB of RAM (called the
Super CD-ROM card or CD-ROM2) so the PC Engine could compete with the Super
FamiCom, then in 1994 the PC Engine got the Arcade Card that had a whopping
20MB of RAM, that made the PC Engine CD-ROM able to made carbon copies of Neo-
Geo games. These RAM upgrades were put in the PC Engine's cartridge slot.

And did you forget about the Saturn's 4MB upgrade cart?

Trey

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:19:51 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Turok 2 4 Sale?!

In a message dated 98-08-21 11:32:44 EDT, Wezzer wrote:

> I went to check out the Nintendojo classifieds like usual and I found
>  this ad:
>
>  For Sale: Turok 2 Cart
>  "Considering the heavy hype under the game now, I figure I should sell
>  this, it is an old cart from
>   acclaim, please do not ask how I got it, let's just say it wasn't
>  totally legal (I have some screwed
>   up friends who gave it to me). Though this may seem like a steep price,
>  $120 US is what I am  charging for it, I am not deadset on this price,
>  but I won't go under a hundred. This thing cost my
>   friends about $250 Can, so don't complain. For those who are curious
>  this is after the e3 version."
>
>
>   Could this be possible???  Or is it some kind of hoax?

Doesn't Nintendojo screen for losers like this? It's definatly a hoax. There's
a lot of losers out there who have nobody to talk to so they write bogus stuff
like that.

Trey

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:22:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Carson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] BS about OS

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> >So you are saying Tomb Raider was not a good game? Ok. Sure.
> >That game set new standards for the third person genre.  I could care less
> >if it was a woman or not, the game ruled.  I don't think its large sales
> >are due to a large busted polygon that costs $40 to see, when people can
> >buy a plyboy for $5.  Its gameplay and graphics.
>
> Let's not get in a Tomb Raider argument on this list. It's pointless.
> Everyone has their own opinion and they aren't going to change it. I've
> been in constant fights trying to convince people that TR, Resident Evil,
> and San Fran Rush are garbage but haven't changed anyone's mind.
>
> Hey, you know what all of those games have in common? Terrible control but
> good graphics. Hmmm....
>
> Tom McShea
>
I didnt find any of these games to have terrible control.  Control is part
of the difficulty of all games.  If all games were too easy to control and
you could make your character do exactly what you wanted, the games would
be no challenge.  Its all a matter of learning how to make your character
or car do what you want it to.

Thats called gameplay.

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:28:08 GMT
From: "Graeme Sheppard" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] BS about OS

> >
> I didnt find any of these games to have terrible control.  Control is part
> of the difficulty of all games.  If all games were too easy to control and
> you could make your character do exactly what you wanted, the games would
> be no challenge.  Its all a matter of learning how to make your character
> or car do what you want it to.
>
> Thats called gameplay.
>

Ha ha ha ha ha.

Oh, you're not joking. My mistake.

Shep.

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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:49:08 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] BS about OS

>I didnt find any of these games to have terrible control.  Control is part
>of the difficulty of all games.  If all games were too easy to control and
>you could make your character do exactly what you wanted, the games would
>be no challenge.  Its all a matter of learning how to make your character
>or car do what you want it to.
>
>Thats called gameplay.

WTF are you talking about? Control is supposed to do exactly what you want,
when you want it. The way to make a game challenging is not to make the
game have shotty control. For instance, GE had perfect control yet was a
real pain in the butt to win. Tomb Raiders control is awful. Have you ever
even played the game? Hit jump, 2 seconds later you jump. It's ridiculous.
RE2 (haven't played 1) was also terrible. Fights consisted of holding down
the fire button. That's it. No strafe, jump, dodge or anything. RUSH (64)
was also terrible. Go play Gran Turismo then RUSH and tell me RUSH has good
control.

Tom McShea


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Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:01:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: John Carson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] BS about OS

Ok here my take on the control thing.

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 [e-mail] wrote:

> >I didnt find any of these games to have terrible control.  Control is part
> >of the difficulty of all games.  If all games were too easy to control and
> >you could make your character do exactly what you wanted, the games would
> >be no challenge.  Its all a matter of learning how to make your character
> >or car do what you want it to.
> >
> >Thats called gameplay.
>
> WTF are you talking about?
Testy?

> Control is supposed to do exactly what you want,
> when you want it. The way to make a game challenging is not to make the
> game have shotty control. For instance, GE had perfect control yet was a
> real pain in the butt to win. Tomb Raiders control is awful. Have you
ever
> even played the game? Hit jump, 2 seconds later you jump. It's ridiculous.
OK In real life.  Decide to jump 6 ft in the air, can you do that
instantly?  They could have programmed it that way, but chose to go for
the realistic approach.  As for your question, yes I have played 1 and 2
and enjoyed 1, but 2 was just more of the same.  (Better luck on 3 Edios)

> RE2 (haven't played 1) was also terrible. Fights consisted of holding down
> the fire button. That's it. No strafe, jump, dodge or anything. RUSH (64)
> was also terrible. Go play Gran Turismo then RUSH and tell me RUSH has good
> control.

Control is not the issue in RUSH vs. Gran Turismo.  Its physics, physics,
physics.  RUSH is an ARCADE type game where Gran Turismo is a sim.  These
are based on different physics engines.  Of course their controls will be
different.  Some people might say Gran turismo is too hard to keep your
car on the road, where others might say RUSH turns too slow.  This just
shows your preference for style of gameplay.  I personally find the
realistic ones more enjoyable.


(Side note:  Why are there no PC games with realistic physics besides SODA
racing?)
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