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n64-digest           Saturday, July 25 1998           Volume 01 : Number 397



Re: [N64] Lame Pro or EGM
Re: [N64] MK series
Re: [N64] sure
Re: [N64] sure
Re: [N64] sure
Re: [N64] sure
Re: [N64] sure
[none]
Re: [N64] sure
Re: [N64] sure
Re: [N64] MK series
Re: [N64] Dreamcast!!
Re: [N64] sure
Re: [N64] sure
Re: [N64] Wipeout 64's Music
Re: [N64] DISAPPOINTED
Re: [N64] DISAPPOINTED
Re: [N64] sure
Re: [N64] Dreamcast!
Re: [N64] MK3
Re: [N64] Dreamcast vs. N64
Re: [N64] DISAPPOINTED
Re: [N64] D2
Re: [N64] dumb

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:25:46 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Lame Pro or EGM

Yeah, but do you buy it solely for the letters section? You care about other
parts of the magazine other than the letters, right?

~Matt

<<how about INTELLIGENT PEOPLE??? I LOVE PSM's letter section, every month
they
discuss INTELLIGENT subjects, hell... most of the letters sent in are by
people in their 20s, unlike Gamepro... they get letters from 7 year olds
asking for a stupid pic of LAra Croft. Letter section matters to me, PSM is
the best gaming mag available because eveything is PERFECT. They have great
reviews, previews, they tell funny jokes, they have GREAT art, etc.>>

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 09:28:50 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] MK series

Yeah. What you said was right. At one time, I really loved MKombat. In
fact, I bought the N64 just so I could play the game but it turned out
that the game really sucks. Good thing I only rented it. Since then, I
though the series was kind of stupid. MK Trilogy was so cheap in
everything that it just pisses you off just to play it. Then there was MK
mythologies. Very stupid. Especially in control. I haven't played MK4 on
the N64 before but I have on my PC. I only borrowed the game just for a
little entertainment. After a day, I deleted it. It was really boring.

Winston Chan

On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:45:37 -0400 Joshua Palmer
<[e-mail]> writes:
>Just woondering how many ppl agree wioth me that all the the Mortal
>Kombat
>series sucked. Don't knwo about most peopel but I like to buy  a
>fighting
>game for all the cool moves and different styles of the fighters witch
>MK
>never even once touched only thing that made the characters any
>different
>besides clothes and even some of them wore the same out fits {sub zero
>and
>all those other ninjas) but even the only good tihng in the game
>fatalties
>got boring after a while.
>
>BTW this si my first post on this mailing list:)
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:36:12 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] sure

>Toshinden was not aweful.  I kind of liked the Toshinden series.  It had a
>lot of action (moved faster than it's counter part the VF series....for
>me, faster fighters are more fun).  I loved how you could fall off the
>ring and lose. It also had superb graphics, though it had some clipping
>problems.

Yeah, I actually do agree with that. I didn't mean to say this was awful,
just Ridge Racer. I did like this game, rented the system and played it. It
was fun, but didn't make me want to run out and get the system.

Tom McShea


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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:38:39 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] sure

> The N64 CANNOT compete with DreamCast... The Dreamcast's stats makes the N64
>looks like a piece of CRAP. Maybe some people will stick with the 64, but I'm
>buying Dreamcast the first day it comes out because I KNOW full well that
>Dreamcast games will be BETTER then N64 games. Trust me, the N64 WILL NOT be
>able to compete with Dreamcast. And the SNES never really competed with PS.
>Super NES was still doing good in 95 because alot of people can't afford a
PS.
>But almost everyone else got a PS or a Saturn.

Answer a question for me, what game do you enjoy more: Tekken 3 or Virtua
Fighter 3? I know a lot of people out there think that Tekken 3 is a better
game. You know what? Tekken is powered by a PSX with more RAM. VF3 is on
the mac daddy of arcade hardware right now. Just becuause something isn't
as powerful doesn't mean it isn't as fun.

Tom McShea


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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:42:33 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] sure

>Dreamcast looks to me, like a waste of my money. If I were you, wait for
PSX2.
>Sega has just not lived up to my standards lately, and other people such as
>myself have lost what little faith they had they sega would do something
good.

That's really not fair to say that about the Dreamcast. We hardly know
anything about it except it's very powreful. It could very well be launched
w/ a 3D platformer better then Banjo, a 1st person shooter better then
GE/PD, and an RPG better then FF8. That's not too bad. Oh, btw, those games
are Sonic, Unreal, and The Seventh Cross. Don't say the system isn't worth
your money until you actually play some of it's games.

Tom McShea


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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:51:16 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] sure

In a message dated 7/25/98 4:45:27 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [e-mail]
writes:

> GE/PD, and an RPG better then FF8. That's not too bad. Oh, btw, those games
>  are Sonic, Unreal, and The Seventh Cross. Don't say the system isn't worth
>  your money until you actually play some of it's games.

Ugh, wake up! Square isn't publishing for them! And another sonic game? Oh
wonderful.

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 12:06:15 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] sure

>> GE/PD, and an RPG better then FF8. That's not too bad. Oh, btw, those games
>>  are Sonic, Unreal, and The Seventh Cross. Don't say the system isn't worth
>>  your money until you actually play some of it's games.
>
>Ugh, wake up! Square isn't publishing for them! And another sonic game? Oh
>wonderful.

Where did you get the idea Square was publishing? I said better then FF8,
not it is FF8. The Seventh Cross is made by NEC and it sounds pretty cool.
You character evolves during the game and you chose how it evolves. There
are over 810,000 different animals you can attack and then evolve with.

BTW, why did you think Square was devoloping when I said FF8 but you didn't
think Rare when I said GE and BK?

Tom McShea


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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 11:17:22 -0700
From: [e-mail] (Wendy A Fernandez)
Subject: [none]

Hey people!

What has been going on since I was gone?I've been gone since the
beginning of  June.N-e-Thing interesting?All I've heard from my brother
is that there is or was a big "fight" on whether Warzone would kick
Zelda's butt or not.Personally,I think Zelda's gonna kick Warzone's butt.

Wendy A.K.A. dr.wendy

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:39:11 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] sure

Back in the day, the NES days, I thought that way too. But then I bought a
Genisis. Then an SNES. I almost bought the Sega CD, but bought a Game Gear and
a Game Boy. Eventually, I sold the Game Gear and Genisis for money to buy an
Ultra 64, but then it got delayed. I picked up a PlayStation 3 days after the
launch, got it on the 12th, I think. Then I got my N64, and I am happy.

~Matt

<<I never got a Playstation because I refuse to give money to anyone else but
Nintendo I have stayed loyal to Nintendo all these years and I don't plan
to stop...unless Nintendo gets really really really surpassed in
technology. But that doesn't meen I won't go rent a Playstation game and
play it on my brothers Playstation.

,Brian>>

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:46:37 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] sure

This statement is pure crap. The N64 WILL compete against the DreamCast, no
doubt about it. Unless every N64 owner throws away their N64 the day the
DreamCast comes out, it is almost impossible for the n64 to not compete. Sure,
the DreamCast will be technologically superior, but the N64's userbase will
support it against the DreamCast.

~Matt

<<The N64 CANNOT compete with DreamCast... The Dreamcast's stats makes the N64
looks like a piece of CRAP. Maybe some people will stick with the 64, but I'm
buying Dreamcast the first day it comes out because I KNOW full well that
Dreamcast games will be BETTER then N64 games. Trust me, the N64 WILL NOT be
able to compete with Dreamcast. And the SNES never really competed with PS.
Super NES was still doing good in 95 because alot of people can't afford a PS.
But almost everyone else got a PS or a Satur>>

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:54:00 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] MK series

Well, I wouldn't say that they all sucked. MK 1 was okay, but trelied too much
on it's shock value to sell. MK II was cool, the best in the MK series by far,
nothing new ever really got into the game after part II. But in the whole
scheme of things, the MK series did suck.

~Matt


<<Just woondering how many ppl agree wioth me that all the the Mortal Kombat
series sucked. Don't knwo about most peopel but I like to buy  a fighting
game for all the cool moves and different styles of the fighters witch MK
never even once touched only thing that made the characters any different
besides clothes and even some of them wore the same out fits {sub zero and
all those other ninjas) but even the only good tihng in the game fatalties
got boring after a while.

BTW this si my first post on this mailing list:)>>

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:56:55 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Dreamcast!!

I dunno. If Sega plays their cards right, they should hype this motha up
enoguh to get a good initial sell through. But they could screw themselves and
rely on others to sell the system (i.e.; Microsoft) or depend on word of
mouth, which with Sega dosen't usually get very far...

~Matt

      <<Well, maybe the Dreamcast will have better games, but I can't see it
really
selling a whole lot more than the N64. I don't think the average gamer will
spend
250 bucks on one when they can still play great games on the N64 like
Perfect Dark, Jet Force Gemini, Mario 64 II, etc. But maybe I'll be surprised
and tons of people will get it.. Who knows? Later..



ZiG>>

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:01:16 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] sure

I disagree. No Sonic game has ever really entertained me much, I returned
Sonic 3 a week after I got it. Mario games, on the other hand, always last a
while. And Unreal is better than GoldenEye now (marginally), but PD should
blow it away.

~Matt

<<That's really not fair to say that about the Dreamcast. We hardly know
anything about it except it's very powreful. It could very well be launched
w/ a 3D platformer better then Banjo, a 1st person shooter better then
GE/PD, and an RPG better then FF8. That's not too bad. Oh, btw, those games
are Sonic, Unreal, and The Seventh Cross. Don't say the system isn't worth
your money until you actually play some of it's game>>

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 14:16:41 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] sure

I haven't played Unreal and no nothing about the new Sonic, but I was
saying that there is a chance that the Dreamcast will debut with these
games and they might the best of the genre. Also, it has VF3, possible best
fighter, and a Sega racing game, possible best racer.


>I disagree. No Sonic game has ever really entertained me much, I returned
>Sonic 3 a week after I got it. Mario games, on the other hand, always last a
>while. And Unreal is better than GoldenEye now (marginally), but PD should
>blow it away.
>
>~Matt
>
><<That's really not fair to say that about the Dreamcast. We hardly know
>anything about it except it's very powreful. It could very well be launched
>w/ a 3D platformer better then Banjo, a 1st person shooter better then
>GE/PD, and an RPG better then FF8. That's not too bad. Oh, btw, those games
>are Sonic, Unreal, and The Seventh Cross. Don't say the system isn't worth
>your money until you actually play some of it's game>>
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 15:53:54 -0400
From: "Eddy Wu" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Wipeout 64's Music

Well, obviously the N64 cart format can't support the CD quality music that
the PSX version had, but I heard that Psygnosis hired a little-known techno
band to record some tracks for the N64 version.. Can anyone confirm this?  I
think I heard it in a mag or on a website somewhere...


- -----Original Message-----
From: Stryder <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: [N64] Wipeout 64's Music


>On Sat, 25 Jul 1998 [e-mail] wrote:
>
>>     Hey, just wondered if you guys think that Wipeout 64's music is gonna
be
>> anywhere near as good as the Playstation version? I haven't heard the
music
>> for Wipeout XL, but I heard it has music by The Prodigy and Chemical
Brothers.
>> Prodigy is one of my favorite all time bands and I love Chemical
Brothers, too.
>> I know the 64 version isn't gonna have their music in it, but I hope it
has music
>> that is at least better than most of the stuff on the system. Later..
>
>Yeah, the music is great on Wipeout for PSX.  It had that song
>'Firestarter' (I think that is the name) by Prodigy on there...great song.
>
>Stryder
>
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:37:31 -0400
From: "Twiggy" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] DISAPPOINTED

> The PS DOES have better games in almost EVERY genre! PS has the best
Football
>game (NFL Gameday), best basketball game (NBA Live 99), Best fighting game
>(Tekken3), Best side-scroller (CastleVania), best puzzle game (Puzzle
Fighter
>or Bust a Move 3), best racing game (Gran Turismo).....


Actually i'd probally say in terms of football games Quaterback club is
better... (then again i hate football games). Interesting how u said NBA
Live 99, since its NOT OUT YET... i'll give ya the Tekken3 for fighting
game, it seems N64 is a little bit screwed when it comes to fighting games.
Castle Vania is a good side scroller... but then again, N64 wasn't made for
side scrollers.. best puzzle game, well its a toss up on what kinda puzzle
games u like, Tetrisphere vrs. Puzzle Fighter... best racing game, Gran
Turismo, well the Gran Tourismo is a great game... is it the best racing
game i guess depends on what your looking for in a racing game, realizm or
arcadeism... Top Gear Overdrive looks like it will have mainly the best cars
of Gran Tourismo in it, with a higher framerate and graphics that blow the
Gran outta the water... but u must remember, what are the two top types of
games being sold right now... 1st person perspective games and Tomb raider
style games, which Nintendo has Playstation beat Hands down in... you can't
even argue that one, i have never played one good 1st pesron perspective
game or tomb raider type of game that actaully was fun on playstation...
even tomb raider to me sucked... so, Nintendo is good with the best kinda
games... the most popular ones, the ones that matter. who cares about "best
football game" other then the small amount of people out there that wanna
play a football game...

Trencher




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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:41:38 -0400
From: "Eddy Wu" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] DISAPPOINTED

Hmm.. well, this is arguable, but I'd say the N64 has the best sports game,
in ISS 64, the best 3D platformer, in Banjo-Kazooie, and the best
First-Person shooter, in Goldeneye.  Soon, the N64 will have the best RPG,
in Zelda.. so I think they're pretty even, in terms of good games, which is
a little bit sad, considering how the N64 has like 80 games out, and the PSX
has several hundred.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Twiggy <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, July 25, 1998 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [N64] DISAPPOINTED


>> The PS DOES have better games in almost EVERY genre! PS has the best
>Football
>>game (NFL Gameday), best basketball game (NBA Live 99), Best fighting game
>>(Tekken3), Best side-scroller (CastleVania), best puzzle game (Puzzle
>Fighter
>>or Bust a Move 3), best racing game (Gran Turismo).....
>
>
>Actually i'd probally say in terms of football games Quaterback club is
>better... (then again i hate football games). Interesting how u said NBA
>Live 99, since its NOT OUT YET... i'll give ya the Tekken3 for fighting
>game, it seems N64 is a little bit screwed when it comes to fighting games.
>Castle Vania is a good side scroller... but then again, N64 wasn't made for
>side scrollers.. best puzzle game, well its a toss up on what kinda puzzle
>games u like, Tetrisphere vrs. Puzzle Fighter... best racing game, Gran
>Turismo, well the Gran Tourismo is a great game... is it the best racing
>game i guess depends on what your looking for in a racing game, realizm or
>arcadeism... Top Gear Overdrive looks like it will have mainly the best
cars
>of Gran Tourismo in it, with a higher framerate and graphics that blow the
>Gran outta the water... but u must remember, what are the two top types of
>games being sold right now... 1st person perspective games and Tomb raider
>style games, which Nintendo has Playstation beat Hands down in... you can't
>even argue that one, i have never played one good 1st pesron perspective
>game or tomb raider type of game that actaully was fun on playstation...
>even tomb raider to me sucked... so, Nintendo is good with the best kinda
>games... the most popular ones, the ones that matter. who cares about "best
>football game" other then the small amount of people out there that wanna
>play a football game...
>
>Trencher
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 17:00:03 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] sure

Hey, know what would be a real treat? A special Virtua Fighter Collection CD
with VF 1, 2, and 3, new levels and characters in each, debuting with the
DreamCast. Any fighting game fan would LOVE that.

~Matt

<< I haven't played Unreal and no nothing about the new Sonic, but I was
saying that there is a chance that the Dreamcast will debut with these
games and they might the best of the genre. Also, it has VF3, possible best
fighter, and a Sega racing game, possible best racer.>>

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:14:57 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Dreamcast!

In a message dated 98-07-25 01:26:21 EDT, you write:

> What do you mean by that exactly? That developers will just stop devoloping
>  for the PSX after next Christmas and move on to bigger and better things?
>  Or no more (or very few good) games after Christmas? I expect the number of
>  games to start sliding after next Christmas, but the quality should remain
>  steady. It won't have the same kind of success like the SNES had, but it
>  will still be a quality system until the PSX2 comes out.
>
>  Tom McShea

I mean that you'll see less PlayStation games after X-Mas of 1999 than we're
seeing now. Those games that will be made will probably be some of the best
PlayStation games ever. When the DreamCast comes out I'm sure companies will
still develop PSX games. All I'm saying is that when the DreamCast comes out
the PlayStation will probably step out of the limelight as Number 1 console.

Trey

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:21:27 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] MK3

In a message dated 98-07-25 02:19:42 EDT, Stryder wrote:

> First though, MK3 did not debut with the system.

Okay, it came out October 1st 1995 but is was first on the PlayStation. But
the load time during Shang Tsung's morphs was horrid!

Trey

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:28:35 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Dreamcast vs. N64

In a message dated 98-07-25 02:41:22 EDT, IceMan316X wrote:

> The N64 CANNOT compete with DreamCast... The Dreamcast's stats makes the N64
>  looks like a piece of CRAP. Maybe some people will stick with the 64, but
>  I'm
>  buying Dreamcast the first day it comes out because I KNOW full well that
>  Dreamcast games will be BETTER then N64 games. Trust me, the N64 WILL NOT >
be able to compete with Dreamcast.

Whatever dude. Before the N64 came out people said the PlayStation could not
compete with the N64, their defense was "look at the stats, the N64 is 64-Bit
and the PlayStation is 32-Bit". Before the Super FamiCom came out people said
the PC Engine could not compete with the Super FamiCom, their defense was
"look at the stats, the Super FamiCom is 16-Bit and the PC Engine is 8-Bit".

You're forgetting that Nintendo has experience in programming the N64 whereas
Sega doesn't with the DreamCast, and by the time the DreamCast comes out in
1999 in America the N64 will be at the top of its game. While it's true the
N64 doesn't seem to have a prayer in Japan it still has a fighting chance in
America.

Trey

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:37:25 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] DISAPPOINTED

In a message dated 98-07-25 03:07:13 EDT, Twiggy wants a vacation:

> there are maybe 4 company's out there for
>  Playstation that actaully take their time and make the best game they
can...
>  Square, Capcom (ignoring the Res Directors Cut), Sony themselves, Namco.
>  Other then that... they are pretty much (poo)

What about Konami, Electronic Arts, Whoopie Camp (gotta love Tomba!), Single
Trac, and Activision? There are probably many others as well.




> .... N64 has a few company's
>  that make (poo) games for the system, but not HALF as many as Sony does for
>  playstation...

You'll find that every system throughout history has its share of good and poo
games.



> i just think people need to remember... just because
>  playstation has more games, doesn't mean they have better games... I've
>  never played one Playstation game as much fun as goldeneye, one
snowboarding
>  game as good as 1080, a Water sking game as beautiful as Wave Race, a "tomb
>  raider" style game as amazing as Mario/Banjo, and a baseball game as smooth
>  as All Star. The system itself is much better then playstation, and some
how
>  i'd rather have 10 really good N64 games then 70 really (poo) Playstation
>  games...

You forgot a racing game as choppy as Top Gear Rally, an RPG as lame as Quest
64, a fighting game as boring as Fighters Desitny, a horror game as .. oh
wait, there are no horror games on the N64. I'm not going to compare systems
cos I got in a mess of stuff before so all I say is I pity you because you're
missing out on a lot of fun.

Trey

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 18:47:01 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] D2

In a message dated 98-07-25 12:53:32 EDT, N64PCPSX wrote:

> Ugh, wake up! Square isn't publishing for them! And another sonic game? Oh
>  wonderful.

Do you know that for certain? I thought Square's policy was to publish on the
system best suited for their needs. If the DreamCast gets a big userbase I
wouldn't be surprised if Final Fantasy 9 was a DreamCast game. As for Sonic I
hope it's 2-D. Has anybody seen shots of D2? That ought to give Perfect Dark a
run for its money.

Trey

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Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 19:02:02 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] dumb

In a message dated 98-07-25 16:37:33 EDT, Twiggy wrote:

> Castlevania is a good side scroller... but then again, N64 wasn't made for
>  side scrollers..

Neither was the PlayStation you fool. Just like the N64, the PlayStation
doesn't have a 2-D graphics processor.

> Top Gear Overdrive looks like it will have mainly the best cars
> of Gran Tourismo in it, with a higher framerate and graphics that blow the
> Gran outta the water..

Does it have 166 cars? I think not. Is Gran Turismo's 30 fps to slow for you?
The shots I've seen of TGO look just a tad bit sharper than F-Zero X, the cars
look like they're made of plastic.

> but u must remember, what are the two top types of
> games being sold right now... 1st person perspective games and Tomb raider

So all those RPGs and Racing games I've bought really don't exist?


> style games, which Nintendo has Playstation beat Hands down in... you can't
> even argue that one, i have never played one good 1st pesron perspective
> game or tomb raider type of game that actaully was fun on playstation...
> even tomb raider to me sucked...

I agree that the N64 rules when it comes to 1st person shooters and 3-D
platformers.


>  who cares about "best
> football game" other then the small amount of people out there that wanna
> play a football game...

You proabaly don't know this, but for every person that likes platformers
you'll probably find someone who hates platformers and loves sports games.

Trey

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