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n64-digest        Saturday, December 18 1999        Volume 01 : Number 1049



Re: [N64] Damn IGN!
Re: [N64] Game review (and a cover up)
[N64] IGN64 about 64DD
Re: [N64] IGN64 about 64DD
[N64] Okay all you Game Boys, time to gloat
Re: [N64] IGN64 about 64DD
Re: [N64] Okay all you Game Boys, time to gloat
Re: [N64] DK help needed
Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming
Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming
Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming
[N64] WM2K
Re: [N64] IGN64 about 64DD
[N64] top seven 64 games of 99
Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming
Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming
Re: [N64] IGN64 about 64DD
Re: [N64] Okay all you Game Boys, time to gloat
Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming
Re: [N64] Okay all you Game Boys, time to gloat
Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming
Re: [N64] top seven 64 games of 99
Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming
Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming
Re: [N64] Spyro doesn't suck, JFG does ;)
Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming
Re: [N64] Spyro doesn't suck, JFG does ;)
Re: [N64] Spyro does suck, JFG doesn't ;)
Re: [N64] WM2K
[N64] Fw: Fwd:  changing a lightbulb

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:46:19 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Damn IGN!

In a message dated 99-12-16 20:58:08 EST, you write:

> Dammit. I just won a free pass to go see a screening of Man on the Moon
from
>
>  IGN. But, I don't live in California. So I can't go. Damn.
>
>  ~Matt

Gee, a ticket to a movie, wow, what a letdown.

Dave

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:51:46 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Game review (and a cover up)

In a message dated 99-12-16 21:31:38 EST, you write:

> well, after all the funw e've had this year with many many games, i sat
down
>
>  at my new N64, and played the first game i got 2 years ago.....Cruis'n
USA,
>  and i forgot how much fun that can be, i really dig the Jeep, it's my
>  favorite, because i drive a jeep =) Anyone played any oldies lately??
>

Technically that's all I have for the N64 is oldies. Well, the newest being
Zelda: OoT, Nov 1998. As for Crusin, I didn't like the N64 version. The two
player mode's framerate was so slow. It was a letdown for sure since the
32-Bit coin-op had been my favorite game of 1994 or was it 1995?



>  And the point of that was an N64 statement to cover up a PSX Question, so
>  close now if you don't wanna read it...or if you're Greg
>  5
>  4
>  3
>  2
>  1
>  What does the "1/35 Solder"  do if FF VII, i've got 35 of them, i can't
use
>  them, i can't sell them, and my players guide says nada
>
>  Peace out
>  C\TSgt Pete Frye

I think they're about as useful as a Minigear (Xenogears).

Dave

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:56:44 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [N64] IGN64 about 64DD

The latest issue of Famitsu Weekly reports that the 64DD will be
available for purchase at local Japanese game stores. The stand alone
unit (without a Nintendo 64) will retail for approximately 30000 yen (or
$290 US), while the N64/64DD bundle can be purchased for 39600 yen
($384). The deal reportedly takes effect beginning December 17.

$290 for a 64DD? What does a Dreamcast cost in Japan again? Like around $160?
Nintendo needs to try harder than that. Unless the 64DD comes with a ton of
software, but when does any console come with software in Japan?

Dave

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:10:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] IGN64 about 64DD

$290 for 64DD... more like 64DowntheDumps
With Dreamcast out for a much cheaper price than that, no1 is gonna buy that.
 Dreamcast+some games or 64DD... the 64DD is only an addon and is not really
comparable to a console.  Heck, no 64DD for U.S. anyway, so it doesn't matter
to me.  I don't know what Nintendo is thinking...

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:27:37 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [N64] Okay all you Game Boys, time to gloat

From IGN.com

Game Boy Overtakes PlayStation

Having been the dominant figure in software sales in Japan, the
PlayStation was recently overtaken for overall market share by
Nintendo's Gameboy portable game console. For 11/29-12/5, the Gameboy
held 41.3% of the software sales in Japan, while the PlayStation came in
second with 38.3%. The sales of Pokemon Gold/Silver are the main reason
for the changing of the guard.

- ---
damn pokemon.


Dave

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:58:14 -0800
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] IGN64 about 64DD

[e-mail] wrote:

> $290 for 64DD... more like 64DowntheDumps
> With Dreamcast out for a much cheaper price than that, no1 is gonna buy that.
>  Dreamcast+some games or 64DD... the 64DD is only an addon and is not really
> comparable to a console.  Heck, no 64DD for U.S. anyway, so it doesn't matter
> to me.  I don't know what Nintendo is thinking...

Nintendo is targeting the 64DD as a niche console. they don't have a lot to
loose.  :)

Dexter

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:57:37 -0800
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Okay all you Game Boys, time to gloat

[e-mail] wrote:

> >From IGN.com
>
> Game Boy Overtakes PlayStation
>
> Having been the dominant figure in software sales in Japan, the
> PlayStation was recently overtaken for overall market share by
> Nintendo's Gameboy portable game console. For 11/29-12/5, the Gameboy
> held 41.3% of the software sales in Japan, while the PlayStation came in
> second with 38.3%. The sales of Pokemon Gold/Silver are the main reason
> for the changing of the guard.
>
> ---

>
> damn pokemon.

Do you know that Miyamoto produced it?  not that it has much bearing on the
game, but he was involved

Dexter

>
>
> Dave
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:19:42 -0600
From: "Thraxen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] DK help needed

- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [N64] DK help needed


>In a message dated 12/16/99 3:59:41 AM Central Standard Time,
>[e-mail] writes:
>
><< I will never give up. Take the underground level in Mario64, most of the
> rooms have at least two exits, this allows you to tour the entire level
> without backtracking. In Banjo's swamp level once you get a jigsaw you
have
> to walk back the way you came. Too many dead ends in Banjo's levels.
> Mario64's have two dead ends, the beginning and the end of the level, with
> intertwined paths in- between. I've explained this many times, surely
> someone out there in internet land understands me. >>
>
>Nope, sorry.  I'll bet you'd have to backtrack A LOT in Mario if you have
to
>find all the stars at once instead of exiting and reentering the level
again
>and again.
>-Eric-

Hahaha...very good point.  poor Alex.

Stryder



>Note to Alex and Dave:  I'm not bashing Mario 64, just pointing out the
>difference.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:26:08 -0600
From: "Thraxen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming

>> I forgot to say, in action games, even the character designs are
>> unimportant. After playing Street Fighter2 for the thousandth time you no
>> longer care that the spinning bird kick let's you see Chun Li's
underwear,
>> or that E Honda makes a stupid noise when he does the headbutt: You see
the
>> moves in terms of their priority, range, speed, damage. You just see the
>> rules of the game. You should be able to strip everything away from a
game
>> and still enjoy it.
>
>Yea. that's very true.  But of course, there's a thousand developers out
there who
>would rather make Lara Croft Fighting because they know adolescent kids and
even so
>called mature adults would jack off to her breast bouncing, or how the
camera
>sometimes get stuck (accidentally?) on her butt.


Heck no, that is a foolish.  You can't strip everything away and still enjoy
it.  If that were true, you could just stick figures with the same
"priority, range, speed, damage" and still enjoy it. BS!

Stryder


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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 21:42:52 -0800
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming

>
> Heck no, that is a foolish.  You can't strip everything away and still enjoy
> it.  If that were true, you could just stick figures with the same
> "priority, range, speed, damage" and still enjoy it. BS!

Good character design helps of course, but the problem is, you have characters
that are designed to sell a game , nothing more.

Dexter

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 00:42:59 -0600
From: "Thraxen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming


>>
>> Heck no, that is a foolish.  You can't strip everything away and still
enjoy
>> it.  If that were true, you could just stick figures with the same
>> "priority, range, speed, damage" and still enjoy it. BS!
>
>Good character design helps of course, but the problem is, you have
characters
>that are designed to sell a game , nothing more.
>
>Dexter

But aren't all elements of a game designed to help them sell?  Good
graphics? Yeah.  Good story? Yeah. Good gameplay? Yeah.  Good character
design is important as anything else.

Stryder


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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:37:00 +0000
From: Chris Bethea <[e-mail]>
Subject: [N64] WM2K

Has anyone went through Wrestlemania 2000
undefeated yet?  I got through with 3 losses.


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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:56:58 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] IGN64 about 64DD

    I believe that the 64DD is supposed to include a modem cartridge, a
Randnet disk which lets users to connect to a network, and the first 6 64DD
games.  I don't know if Nintendo changed whats supposed to be in the DD
package since I heard this, but thats what it's supposed to be.

~Cy

In a message dated 12/16/99 8:57:09 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

< The latest issue of Famitsu Weekly reports that the 64DD will be
< available for purchase at local Japanese game stores. The stand alone
< unit (without a Nintendo 64) will retail for approximately 30000 yen (or
< $290 US), while the N64/64DD bundle can be purchased for 39600 yen
< ($384). The deal reportedly takes effect beginning December 17.

< $290 for a 64DD? What does a Dreamcast cost in Japan again? Like around
<$160?
< Nintendo needs to try harder than that. Unless the 64DD comes with a ton of
< software, but when does any console come with software in Japan?

< Dave


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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:56:46 -0700
From: "Justin Smith-Williams" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [N64] top seven 64 games of 99

Top Seven Nintendo 64 Games of the Year:

Number Two...
Mario Golf

Nintendo had a banner year in 1999. All of their
first-party games have been serious hits, scoring high
marks with the critics and earning them fat bottom
lines with the fans. When choosing the top seven, I
knew that number two would be a mascot game; there
were so many greats this year that featured
the Nintendo cast, from Mario Party to Super Smash
Bros., that they couldnÆt be ignored. While both
titles were truly exceptional, I want to single out
and heap a little extra praise on a game that is
maddeningly fun, terribly addictive, and actually
turns out to be the most boffo sports game on the
Nintendo 64, period.

Mario Golf is probably the best digital duffer to
ever grace a console. Based on the winning Hot Shots
Golf, a solid hit on the PlayStation, Camelot has
crafted the most complete links package available,
featuring everything from your basic afternoon on
the green to a furious mini-golf match that will have
you cursing a blue streak. While itÆs fun to waste
a few hours trying to chip a shot through rings
hanging in the sky, Mario Golf's bread and butter
are the main links matches, where you must
compete on a series of perfectly-designed courses
to open up new characters like Bowser and Yoshi.
The feel of the game is just so right, from the
swing lineup method to the gameÆs overall ôfairness;ö
you know when you miss the birdie that there's only
one person to blame: yourself.

Now, some people might be turned off by the
presentation. Brightly-colored Nintendo characters and
other cutesy Miyamoto touches, putting on courses
overlooked by mountains with beady eyeballs,
doesnÆt necessarily scream to the older crowd, but
would you rather play a weaker golf game like
Waialae Country Club: True Golf Classics just for
the sake of ôrealism?ö Let go of the pretense and
enjoy the finest duffer youÆll ever play, and you
might catch yourself smiling in spite of yourself when
you make that perfect shot and itÆs trailed by a
rainbow (only a Grinch frowns at rainbows, pal). And if
you're a fan of the patented Nintendo look, youÆll
be happier than a GameFan staffer on payday when
Yoshi bounces around after a hole-in-one.

How did I know instantly that Mario Golf was going
to be a runaway smash? Well, IÆm not the worldÆs
biggest golfer (actually, I think theyÆre a waste
of spaceù-we should turn most courses into national
parks), and I generally dislike video golf even
more. However, as soon as I got into the groove, I was
hooked. If a game can turn the head of one of the
genreÆs leading opponents, then it must be doing
something right. Do yourself a favor and check out
Mario Golf. If weÆre lucky, weÆll have a sequel
alongside our Dolphins next year.




Wanna see what came in at numbers three and four?

Wanna see what came in at numbers five and six?

Wanna see what came in at number seven?


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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:01:30 -0800
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming

>
> But aren't all elements of a game designed to help them sell?  Good
> graphics? Yeah.  Good story? Yeah. Good gameplay? Yeah.  Good character
> design is important as anything else.

Sell in what way?

Sell as in "yea, i've heard this is a good game, its
addictive/fun/challenging/"

or sell as in "I want to f--- that girl in the game"

I have an objection towards the latter as the games tend to be shallow,
derivative, and are made merely to make money.  Tomb Raider 2 to 4 are prime
examples.  A whole lot of hot air, butts and breasts, not enough gameplay to
keep the Tomb Raider franchise fresh.  I'm glad TR IV got blasted by the
media, (except for the playstation magazines--of course) they ought to have
done that with III.


Dexter

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:55:52 -0600
From: "Thraxen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Friday, December 17, 1999 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming


>Sell in what way?
>
>Sell as in "yea, i've heard this is a good game, its
>addictive/fun/challenging/"
>
>or sell as in "I want to f--- that girl in the game"

Uhhh...try sell as in, "Hey, I'm buying this game."

>derivative, and are made merely to make money.

Your point?  This is an industry...as in out to make money.  I'm just saying
that nearly all elements of a game are there to sell it.

Stryder


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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 03:49:19 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] IGN64 about 64DD

In a message dated 12/16/99 9:57:09 PM Central Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< $290 for a 64DD? What does a Dreamcast cost in Japan again? Like around
$160?
 Nintendo needs to try harder than that. Unless the 64DD comes with a ton of
 software, but when does any console come with software in Japan?

 Dave >>

I think I heard that it comes with Doshin and one other.  Still, if that's
the case, they should've named it Preview Price Plan for PS2.  I didn't think
it would sell well in Japan anyway, but now it seems hopeless.
- -Eric-

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 03:57:14 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Okay all you Game Boys, time to gloat

In a message dated 12/16/99 10:28:15 PM Central Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Game Boy Overtakes PlayStation

 Having been the dominant figure in software sales in Japan, the
 PlayStation was recently overtaken for overall market share by
 Nintendo's Gameboy portable game console. For 11/29-12/5, the Gameboy
 held 41.3% of the software sales in Japan, while the PlayStation came in
 second with 38.3%. The sales of Pokemon Gold/Silver are the main reason
 for the changing of the guard.

 ---
 damn pokemon.


 Dave >>

Hehehe.  I do so loooove Pokemon.  Here's hoping it never disappears.  Ahhh,
what to do now?  Maybe I'll watch Mewtwo Strikes Back again.
- -Eric-

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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 01:14:59 -0800
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming

>
> Your point?  This is an industry...as in out to make money.

> I'm just saying
> that nearly all elements of a game are there to sell it.

I can agree with that.  Afterall, i'd rather see the industry doing well than
the industry doing poorly, but yes, a games like this could turn the game
industry into the comic book industry, where all women have big breasts and
tight butt and pseudo pronographical works are sold as the bulk of the content.
The comic industry has suffered dearly because of this. it stopped evolving
decades ago, that is why other forms of entertainment such as music and
videogame overtook it and now, the industry has shriveled into a tiny shell.

Would you like the videogame industry to become the next comic book industry in
20 years?  You know, there was a time when Comics was an up and coming form of
entertainment.  Next-Generation's  article, "How Games will Take over the world"
opens by discussing the failure of the comic book paradigm...

Some food for thought.

Dexter

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:39:12 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Okay all you Game Boys, time to gloat

In a message dated 99-12-16 23:49:53 EST, you write:

> Do you know that Miyamoto produced it?  not that it has much bearing on the
>  game, but he was involved
>
>  Dexter

I had no idea. Is that true for all the Pokemon games or just Gold & Silver?

Dave

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:40:26 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming

In a message dated 99-12-17 00:33:56 EST, you write:

> Good character design helps of course, but the problem is, you have
> characters
>  that are designed to sell a game , nothing more.
>
>  Dexter
>

That would be Super Smash Bros., right?

Dave

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:48:26 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] top seven 64 games of 99

In a message dated 99-12-17 14:58:17 EST, you write:

> Number Two...
>  Mario Golf
>
>  Nintendo had a banner year in 1999. All of their
>  first-party games have been serious hits,

I just want to know, what kind of crack was this guy smoking? What First
Party games? Since when has Camelot Software (Mario Golf, Hot Shots Golf)
been a Nintendo First Party developer?

> there
> were so many greats this year that featured
> the Nintendo cast, from Mario Party to Super Smash
> Bros.,

I'm still waiting for the final word on what HAL is, but I know for certain
that Hudson Soft (Mario Party) is not a Nintendo First Party developer.

Dave

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:52:03 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming

In a message dated 99-12-18 04:06:38 EST, you write:

> Would you like the videogame industry to become the next comic book
industry
> in
>  20 years?  You know, there was a time when Comics was an up and coming
form
> of
>  entertainment.  Next-Generation's  article, "How Games will Take over the
> world"
>  opens by discussing the failure of the comic book paradigm...
>
>  Some food for thought.
>
>  Dexter

What issue of Next Generation was that in

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:55:47 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming

In a message dated 99-12-18 04:06:38 EST, you write:

> Would you like the videogame industry to become the next comic book
industry
> in
>  20 years?  You know, there was a time when Comics was an up and coming
form
> of
>  entertainment.  Next-Generation's  article, "How Games will Take over the
> world"
>  opens by discussing the failure of the comic book paradigm...
>
>  Some food for thought.
>
>  Dexter

What issue of Next Generation was that in? I used to read comic books, then I
realized something. These stories suck. Although what really made me stop was
when Marvel killed Iron Man. Although by strange coincidence that was about
the same time I lost my job so it all worked out. Ahhh

Dave

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:37:09 -0600
From: D Fentie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Spyro doesn't suck, JFG does ;)

I also think Spyro sucks.  JFG rules.

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> In a message dated 99-12-16 02:54:03 EST, you write:
>
> > Yawn.. spare me the archaic rhetoric, Spyro sux.. period.
>
> First you complain about the posts not being N64 related, then you go on to
> contine the thread. Make up your mind.
>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 12:58:10 -0600
From: "Thraxen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Saturday, December 18, 1999 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: [N64] Elements of good gaming


>Would you like the videogame industry to become the next comic book
industry in
>20 years?  You know, there was a time when Comics was an up and coming form
of
>entertainment.  Next-Generation's  article, "How Games will Take over the
world"
>opens by discussing the failure of the comic book paradigm...
>
>Some food for thought.

Ahhh...good point.  I agree completely.

Stryder


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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:01:36 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Spyro doesn't suck, JFG does ;)

In a message dated 12/18/99 11:31:52 AM Central Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< I also think Spyro sucks.  JFG rules. >>

Yeah, JFG is kick arse.

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:05:17 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] Spyro does suck, JFG doesn't ;)

In a message dated 12/18/99 1:02:14 PM Central Standard Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< << I also think Spyro sucks.  JFG rules. >>

 Yeah, JFG is kick arse. >>

Thought this one could use a change in subject.

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:02:59 -0600 (CST)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [N64] WM2K

    Yeah, I have. I did it with a wrestler I created though. I had to win
the Royal Rumble, which is the hardest part to me , just to get HBK.

B


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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 15:53:37 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [N64] Fw: Fwd:  changing a lightbulb

>Subject: Light bulb

>>Q.: How many people does it take to change a light bulb in
>>cyberspace?...
>>A.: 1 to successfully change the light bulb and to post to the mail
>>list that the light bulb has been changed. 14 to share similar
>>experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have
>>been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing
>>light bulbs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about
>>changing light bulbs.
>>53 to flame the spell checkers.
>>156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb
>>discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct
>>spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is
>>not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to
>>alt.lite.bulb. 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar,
>>alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped.
>>111 to defend the posting to this list, saying that, "We are all using
>>light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail
list."
>>306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where
to
>>buy the best light bulbs, what brands of light bulb work best for this
>>technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can
see
>>examples of different light bulbs. 14 to post that the URLs were posted
>>incorrectly and to post corrected URLs.
>>3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to
this
>>list, which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. 33 to collate all
>>posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and
>>then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing
>>because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. 19 to quote the
>>"Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the
>>light bulb FAQ. 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. 47 to
>>say that this is just what this list was meant for, leave it here. 143
>>votes for a new list alt.lite.bulb.
>>38 votes proclaiming the advantages in using vintage light bulbs.




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