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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 09:40:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Itchy. Tasty." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

- --- "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> What is the button configuration for mouse&keyboard
> FPS?  I remember me
> moving around(for Doom and Quake) using the arrow
> keys.  What is used for
> Ultima Online and Half Life?  My internet access at
> my job is screwy so
> I can't Google(search).  I think I remember using A
> and Z, escape was
> Pause I think.
>
>
> lloyd

Any buttons you want.

Most people use the WASD (W=Up S=Down A=Left D=Right)
or the arrow keys for movement, but i's really up to
you. usually on amouse the Left Click is main gun, and
the scroll wheel is weapon select with relod being the
button of the wheel, and from there's it's usually
different with everybody, what with those 5 button
mouses.

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Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 22:31:47 -0500
From: Thraxen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

> From what I hear the
> elements that computer FPS have over console ones is online play and
> smarter enemy AI.  Does that pretty much sum up why they're better than
> console FPS?  What games allow players to play WITH each other against
> computer enemies(like PSO, Everquest, Perfect Dark but computer FPS).

Online play, mods, fan made maps, mouse and keyboard, and higher resolution
are the main advantages to PC FPS games.  I've not really noticed a big
difference in AI...though there is a little difference sometimes.  Halo's AI
is as good as or better than any PC FPS I've played.

Still, the mouse and keyboard are far superior to a controller.  The only
advantage the controller has is analog walk/run in a dual analog set-up.
But that is not a big deal since most people set their characters to "run"
at all times anyway.   There is simply no way you can aim as fast or as
accurately with a thumbstick as you can with the mouse.  This is the main
thing.  A mouse also makes it much easier to spin 180 degrees....crucial for
deathmatching.  Basically, if you took two people of equal skill in any
given FPS and gave one a controller and one a keyboard and mouse and made
them deathmatch, the K&B is going to beat the other guy every time.

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:18:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

Did you say Man-made maps???that is what keeps me going back to
Starcraft(different genre i know).  So you could create a level with
nothing but elevators and catwalks??  What great fps support this option?

lloyd





On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Thraxen wrote:

> > From what I hear the
> > elements that computer FPS have over console ones is online play and
> > smarter enemy AI.  Does that pretty much sum up why they're better than
> > console FPS?  What games allow players to play WITH each other against
> > computer enemies(like PSO, Everquest, Perfect Dark but computer FPS).
>
> Online play, mods, fan made maps, mouse and keyboard, and higher resolution
> are the main advantages to PC FPS games.  I've not really noticed a big
> difference in AI...though there is a little difference sometimes.  Halo's AI
> is as good as or better than any PC FPS I've played.
>
> Still, the mouse and keyboard are far superior to a controller.  The only
> advantage the controller has is analog walk/run in a dual analog set-up.
> But that is not a big deal since most people set their characters to "run"
> at all times anyway.   There is simply no way you can aim as fast or as
> accurately with a thumbstick as you can with the mouse.  This is the main
> thing.  A mouse also makes it much easier to spin 180 degrees....crucial for
> deathmatching.  Basically, if you took two people of equal skill in any
> given FPS and gave one a controller and one a keyboard and mouse and made
> them deathmatch, the K&B is going to beat the other guy every time.
>
> Stryder
>
>
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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 07:14:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Itchy. Tasty." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

- --- "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> Did you say Man-made maps???that is what keeps me
> going back to
> Starcraft(different genre i know).  So you could
> create a level with
> nothing but elevators and catwalks??  What great fps
> support this option?
>
> lloyd

TimeSplitters (PS2) does and TimeSplitters 2 (PS2,
XBOX) will, and even better. Most PC FPS have man made
maps that can be made. Come to think of it, all maps
are really man made (or woman made). But usually you
have to downlaod extra (and sometimes buggy) software
to create your own maps.

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 10:12:23 -0500
From: Thraxen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

> Did you say Man-made maps???that is what keeps me going back to
> Starcraft(different genre i know).  So you could create a level with
> nothing but elevators and catwalks??  What great fps support this option?
>
> lloyd

Pretty much all FPS games do.  Unreal Tournament, for example, came with a
level editor installed.  Games like Quake III and Unreal Tournament have
thousands of user made maps.

Check this link out:
http://nalicity.beyondunreal.com/

If you look on the right hand side, you will notice that this site has
5261maps for Unreal Tournament.  That's right...5261 maps.  I once ran
across a bunch of maps made to look like Goldeneye levels for Unreal
Tournament.  Pretty cool.  Then, think about mods.  Mods are one of my
favorite things about PC FPS games.  You can see a list of some mods for UT
here:  http://www.planetunreal.com/hosted/mods.shtml

I can't wait for UT2003!

Stryder


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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:22:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

TS 2 is coming to NGC no?  When I heard about the map editor for
Timesplitters I thought "man, those Goldeneye guys are still wildly
innovative and creative..what a great idea!" but I have now learned that
map editing for FPS is nothing new at all.  What should I get for my
computer(56k connection)...UT or Half Life?


lloyd




On Fri, 7 Jun 2002,
Itchy. Tasty. wrote:

>
> --- "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." <[e-mail]>
> wrote:
> > Did you say Man-made maps???that is what keeps me
> > going back to
> > Starcraft(different genre i know).  So you could
> > create a level with
> > nothing but elevators and catwalks??  What great fps
> > support this option?
> >
> > lloyd
>
> TimeSplitters (PS2) does and TimeSplitters 2 (PS2,
> XBOX) will, and even better. Most PC FPS have man made
> maps that can be made. Come to think of it, all maps
> are really man made (or woman made). But usually you
> have to downlaod extra (and sometimes buggy) software
> to create your own maps.
>
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>
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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 11:12:14 -0500
From: Thraxen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

> TS 2 is coming to NGC no?  When I heard about the map editor for
> Timesplitters I thought "man, those Goldeneye guys are still wildly
> innovative and creative..what a great idea!" but I have now learned that
> map editing for FPS is nothing new at all.  What should I get for my
> computer(56k connection)...UT or Half Life?

Ummm...tough call.  I'd say go with Half Life since it's a good single
player game.  UT doesn't even have a real single player mode.  You just play
on the mulitplayer maps against bots...but I liked UT multiplayer much more
multiplayer on Half Life though.  Also, UT2003 comes out in July.  So go
with Half Life now and if you decide you like PC FPS games, get UT2003 in
July since it will be kicking much multiplayer ass.

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 09:37:31 -0700
From: "Matt MA" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

>>> [e-mail] 06/06/02 08:31PM >>>
>Still, the mouse and keyboard are far superior to a controller.  The only
>advantage the controller has is analog walk/run in a dual analog set-up.
>But that is not a big deal since most people set their characters to =
"run"
>at all times anyway.   There is simply no way you can aim as fast or as

How about in the single-player mode - is there any use in walking slower =
than full speed run?

matt ma


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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 16:15:15 -0500
From: Thraxen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

>Still, the mouse and keyboard are far superior to a controller.  The only
>advantage the controller has is analog walk/run in a dual analog set-up.
>But that is not a big deal since most people set their characters to "run"
>at all times anyway.   There is simply no way you can aim as fast or as

How about in the single-player mode - is there any use in walking slower
than full speed run?

matt ma>>>

Ummm...sometimes, if stealth is involved.  Take a game like Thief/Thief II.
If you want to sneak up on guards on a tile floor you need to be walking.
If you run they hear you coming.  In these instances you set your speed to
walk...and if you have to, tap the directional key to move even slower.
But really, I've never found an instance where this was a big disadvantage.
Once the fighting starts you want to be moving full speed anyway.  The
advantage a mouse gives you for aiming and turning is gigantic compared the
trivial advantage analog walking/running gives you in a FPS game.

Stryder


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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:10:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Itchy. Tasty." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

- --- "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." <[e-mail]>
wrote:
> TS 2 is coming to NGC no?  When I heard about the
> map editor for
> Timesplitters I thought "man, those Goldeneye guys
> are still wildly
> innovative and creative..what a great idea!" but I
> have now learned that
> map editing for FPS is nothing new at all.  What
> should I get for my
> computer(56k connection)...UT or Half Life?
>
>
> lloyd

Broadband. Unless you like dieing a lot. ;-) Broadband
users use 56K people for target practice. My advice,
find a Dreamcast, a Dreamcast Mouse and Keyboard, and
Unreal Tournament.


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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:15:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Itchy. Tasty." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

- --- Matt MA <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>> [e-mail] 06/06/02 08:31PM >>>
> >Still, the mouse and keyboard are far superior to a
> controller.  The only
> >advantage the controller has is analog walk/run in
> a dual analog set-up.
> >But that is not a big deal since most people set
> their characters to "run"
> >at all times anyway.   There is simply no way you
> can aim as fast or as
>
> How about in the single-player mode - is there any
> use in walking slower than full speed run?
>
> matt ma
>

It all depends on the game. In Quake III: Arena or
Unreal Tournament walking around will just get you
killed quicker. But, as you probably are aware, some
console FPS games do require walking, like GoldenEye
007, Perfect Dark, and TimeSplitters 2.

Personally I like FPS that rely on stealth tactics
more than run & gun. While Run & Gun is fun, I won't
deny that, I personally like to sneak up on an ememy
before I open fire, intead of just running around
looking for my next kill.

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:27:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Lloyd Millard Mccoy Jr." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] How could Perfect Dark Zero surpass PD?

How does Half LIfe multiplayer compare to Perfect Dark's?  It seems UT's
blows it out of the water.


On Fri, 7 Jun 2002, Thraxen wrote:

> >Still, the mouse and keyboard are far superior to a controller.  The only
> >advantage the controller has is analog walk/run in a dual analog set-up.
> >But that is not a big deal since most people set their characters to "run"
> >at all times anyway.   There is simply no way you can aim as fast or as
>
> How about in the single-player mode - is there any use in walking slower
> than full speed run?
>
> matt ma>>>
>
> Ummm...sometimes, if stealth is involved.  Take a game like Thief/Thief II.
> If you want to sneak up on guards on a tile floor you need to be walking.
> If you run they hear you coming.  In these instances you set your speed to
> walk...and if you have to, tap the directional key to move even slower.
> But really, I've never found an instance where this was a big disadvantage.
> Once the fighting starts you want to be moving full speed anyway.  The
> advantage a mouse gives you for aiming and turning is gigantic compared the
> trivial advantage analog walking/running gives you in a FPS game.
>
> Stryder
>
>
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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 18:02:27 -0500
From: Thraxen <[e-mail]>
Subject: [NG] UT and Metroid

> How does Half Life multiplayer compare to Perfect Dark's?  It seems UT's
> blows it out of the water.

Honestly, pretty much any major PC FPS is going to blow any console FPS
multiplayer out of the water.  PD was OK for a console, but I didn't like
the game much to begin with.  Take a game like Halo, it really does have a
sweet multiplayer mode.  It has some very fun vehicles to use and several
modes of play (deathmatch, CTF, king of the hill, etc...).  It comes the
closest to matching a PC FPS experience.  But it pales compared to a game
like UT.  The weapons selection is limited, the maps are very limited, no
mods, and no mouse and keyboard.  Console FPS games are great for having
friends over and doing some split screen action.  This is their major
advantage over PC FPS games....and it's one I do enjoy.  So I guess they
both have their moments, but the PC FPS games are still flat out better
multiplayer games.

Speaking of UT....I can't wait for UT2003!  Check these pics out:

http://planetunreal.com/images.asp?/images/screens/ut2003_052902_3.jpg
http://planetunreal.com/images.asp?/images/screens/ut2003_052902_4.jpg

Haha!  Oh yeah!  This game hits store shelves in July.  I'm gonna be back
online trying to kick some ass when it does.

Go here to see some screen shots of Unreal II:

http://www.unreal2.com/gallery.html

Those are amazing!  This game should be an awesome single player game.
Damn, I love UT.

Oh well, to keep this on topic....I hope Metroid is a half decent game.  I
don't like the whole lock-on idea (like Zelda: OoT) they have used for
aiming.  Give me a dual analog set-up for control and let me do my own damn
aiming!  I don't care if Nintendo wants to call it an FPA, the fighting
still takes place in the same manner as any other FPS.

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:12:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Distorbanz <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] UT and Metroid

- --- Thraxen <[e-mail]> wrote:
>

>
> Oh well, to keep this on topic....I hope Metroid is
> a half decent game.  I
> don't like the whole lock-on idea (like Zelda: OoT)
> they have used for
> aiming.  Give me a dual analog set-up for control
> and let me do my own damn
> aiming!  I don't care if Nintendo wants to call it
> an FPA, the fighting
> still takes place in the same manner as any other
> FPS.
>
> Stryder

Wait a second, Metroid Prime doesn't use both analog
sticks for control? A targeting feature does sound
nice, but like you I hope you can manually aim
yourself. I've been playing the TimeSplitters 2 demo
some more (I really wantb this game) and the controls
already feel like second nature, and I'd say I'm
getting good at the dual stick operation, although
aiming with the right stick in sniper mode is still
iffy a bit. But damnit, the Gamecube has two analog
sticks, you'd think Metroid Prime would be like
TimeSplitters 2. Although it was moronic of Nintendo
to no give a compliment button fot the Z Button. Maybe
they couldn't think of a letter to name it?

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Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 18:30:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Distorbanz <[e-mail]>
Subject: [NG] Gamecube controllers

In case anybody didn't know, Circuit City has been
selling Nintendo brand Gamecube controllers for $19.99
these days.

Oddly enough, N64 controllers are still $29.99.

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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 20:31:44 -0500
From: Thraxen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] UT and Metroid

> Wait a second, Metroid Prime doesn't use both analog
> sticks for control? A targeting feature does sound
> nice, but like you I hope you can manually aim
> yourself.

Nope.  The c-stick changes weapons.  I suppose you can manually aim.  You
could manually aim in Zelda.  But it will such a pain in the ass to do
without an dual anlog set-up that you might as well use the lock-on feature.

> Although it was moronic of Nintendo
> to no give a compliment button fot the Z Button. Maybe
> they couldn't think of a letter to name it?

They couldn't put a mirror to the z-button because then it would like they
were *gasp* copying the PSX/PS2 controllers with their four shoulder
buttons.  God forbid they use a good idea someone else had.

Stryder


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Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 21:25:10 -0600
From: Don Fentie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] UT and Metroid

The Z button doesn't need a mirror.  There are enough buttons on the controller
as it is.  I wouldnt exactly  say putting a mirror to the Z button would be
copying tho.....

Thraxen wrote:

> > Wait a second, Metroid Prime doesn't use both analog
> > sticks for control? A targeting feature does sound
> > nice, but like you I hope you can manually aim
> > yourself.
>
> Nope.  The c-stick changes weapons.  I suppose you can manually aim.  You
> could manually aim in Zelda.  But it will such a pain in the ass to do
> without an dual anlog set-up that you might as well use the lock-on feature.
>
> > Although it was moronic of Nintendo
> > to no give a compliment button fot the Z Button. Maybe
> > they couldn't think of a letter to name it?
>
> They couldn't put a mirror to the z-button because then it would like they
> were *gasp* copying the PSX/PS2 controllers with their four shoulder
> buttons.  God forbid they use a good idea someone else had.
>
> Stryder
>
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Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2002 03:52:34 -0500
From: Thraxen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] UT and Metroid

> The Z button doesn't need a mirror.  There are enough buttons on the
controller
> as it is.  I wouldnt exactly  say putting a mirror to the Z button would
be
> copying tho.....

Why not put a mirror?  It really doesn't make sense to have a shoulder
button on one side but not the other when there is equal room on both sides.
I honestly think they did that merely to be different and for no practical
reason.

Stryder


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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 17:09:35 -0600
From: Don Fentie <[e-mail]>
Subject: [NG] Resident Evil Help SPOILER!!!!

Hey guys, when fighting Lisa Trevor for the last time is there ANY way that
Wesker doesnt die?  And if you can prevent him from dying do you get anything
for it?? Help me out here fast I wanna beat this game :-D


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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 19:15:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: [NG] Resident Evil Help SPOILER!!!!

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> Hey guys, when fighting Lisa Trevor for the last time is there ANY way that
> Wesker doesnt die?  And if you can prevent him from dying do you get
> anything
> for it?? Help me out here fast I wanna beat this game :-D

Playing as Chirs? Hmm. I dunno. When I played as Jill, it was Barry who
helped me, and I gave him back his gun, and he didn't die. And don't try
killing her, simply push the 4 pillars off the edge, opening the coffin in
the middle of the room and revealing something to her that will kill her
instantly.

~Matt

"Reality continues to ruin my life."

- - Calvin, Calvin & Hobbes

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Playing as Chirs? Hmm. I dunno. When I played as Jill, it was Barry who helped me, and I gave him back his gun, and he didn't die. And don't try killing her, simply push the 4 pillars off the edge, opening the coffin in the middle of the room and revealing something to her that will kill her instantly.<BR>
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"Reality continues to ruin my life." <BR>
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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 17:19:21 -0600
From: Don Fentie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] Resident Evil Help SPOILER!!!!

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Yes I know, I pushed off the pilars but that b%tch came and hit wesker
off... now I dont know if I'm supposed to try it again or keep
going!!!!!  Come on why the heck doesnt anyone play as Chris????? On
gamefaqs there are like 2 Chris faqs and 8 Jill faqs.  Chris can't hold
8 items but he can take a lot more damage.

[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 6/9/02 7:10:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [e-mail] writes:
>
>
>
>> Hey guys, when fighting Lisa Trevor for the last time is there ANY
>> way that
>> Wesker doesnt die?  And if you can prevent him from dying do you get
>> anything
>> for it?? Help me out here fast I wanna beat this game :-D
>
> Playing as Chirs? Hmm. I dunno. When I played as Jill, it was Barry
> who helped me, and I gave him back his gun, and he didn't die. And
> don't try killing her, simply push the 4 pillars off the edge, opening
> the coffin in the middle of the room and revealing something to her
> that will kill her instantly.
>
> ~Matt
>
> "Reality continues to ruin my life."
>
> - Calvin, Calvin & Hobbes

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Yes I know, I pushed off the pilars but that b%tch came and hit wesker
off... now I dont know if I'm supposed to try it again or keep going!!!!!
Come on why the heck doesnt anyone play as Chris????? On gamefaqs there
are like 2 Chris faqs and 8 Jill faqs.  Chris can't hold 8 items but
he can take a lot more damage.
<p>[e-mail] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE><font face="Tahoma"><font size=-1>In a message dated
6/9/02 7:10:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [e-mail] writes:</font></font>
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<blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Hey
guys, when fighting Lisa Trevor for the last time is there ANY way that</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Wesker doesnt
die?  And if you can prevent him from dying do you get anything</font></font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>for it?? Help
me out here fast I wanna beat this game :-D</font></font></font></blockquote>

<p><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>Playing as Chirs?
Hmm. I dunno. When I played as Jill, it was Barry who helped me, and I
gave him back his gun, and he didn't die. And don't try killing her, simply
push the 4 pillars off the edge, opening the coffin in the middle of the
room and revealing something to her that will kill her instantly.</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>~Matt</font></font></font>
<p><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>"Reality continues
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<p><font face="Tahoma"><font color="#000000"><font size=-1>- Calvin, <i>Calvin
& Hobbes</i></font></font></font></blockquote>
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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:00:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dazed and Confused <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] Resident Evil Help SPOILER!!!!

- --- Don Fentie <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Hey guys, when fighting Lisa Trevor for the last
> time is there ANY way that
> Wesker doesnt die?  And if you can prevent him from
> dying do you get anything
> for it?? Help me out here fast I wanna beat this
> game :-D
>

Wesker doesn't really die. Didn't you watch the
Wesker's Report DVD, that came with Resident Evil -
Code: Veronica X, on your PlayStation 2 last year???

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** Dave **

are you still half asleep?
do you hear voices?
i hear them calling my name

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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 18:04:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dazed and Confused <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] Resident Evil Help SPOILER!!!!

- --- Don Fentie <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Yes I know, I pushed off the pilars but that b%tch
> came and hit wesker
> off... now I dont know if I'm supposed to try it
> again or keep
> going!!!!!  Come on why the heck doesnt anyone play
> as Chris????? On
> gamefaqs there are like 2 Chris faqs and 8 Jill
> faqs.  Chris can't hold
> 8 items but he can take a lot more damage.
>

Wesker's supposed to 'die'. You see, Wesker took a
pinch of the T-Virus (or is it the G-Virus) before
that scene. (I don't really know, I'm not that far
yet, but in the original game Wesker was 'killed' by
the Tyrant, but later he came back in RE - Code:
Veronica, and with enhanced attributes. So, yes, don't
worry about Wesker's fate. If you don't get a "Game
Over" screen when Wesker 'dies' than there's no need
to worry.

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** Dave **

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do you hear voices?
i hear them calling my name

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Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:42:38 -0600
From: Don Fentie <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] Resident Evil Help SPOILER!!!!

No I don't have a playstation 2 and I never will buy it.  Second of all
this is my first time ever playing a resident evil game in my life.
This is all entirely new to me.

Dazed and Confused wrote:

> --- Don Fentie <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Hey guys, when fighting Lisa Trevor for the last
> > time is there ANY way that
> > Wesker doesnt die?  And if you can prevent him from
> > dying do you get anything
> > for it?? Help me out here fast I wanna beat this
> > game :-D
> >
>
> Wesker doesn't really die. Didn't you watch the
> Wesker's Report DVD, that came with Resident Evil -
> Code: Veronica X, on your PlayStation 2 last year???
>
> =====
> ** Dave **
>
> are you still half asleep?
> do you hear voices?
> i hear them calling my name
>
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:21:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vi On <[e-mail]>
Subject: [NG] WWE X8 ign review 7.0

Presentation
Stiff animation and the lack of a good deal of licensed music dulls the
presentation. The list of wrestlers is impressive, but without proper
entrances you can't help but be disappointed. 7.0

Graphics
Runs fluidly at 60 fps with multitexturing, cloth effects, and even with
four grapplers on the screen. Character models could stand to be
improved. 7.0

Sound
Sure there's licensed music, but the rest will make your ears bleed. Needs
a lot of work. 4.0

Gameplay
X8 is totally unique with its counter system, but too close to the home
called Smackdown! This should have been the sequel to No Mercy -- it's
not. Numerous collision detection and other limitations. 6.0

Lasting Appeal
Multiplayer-focused. Questing for the belts is really only useful for
unlocking wrestlers. Once that's over, the 42 wrestlers are all for
multiplayer. Get some friends. 5.0

OVERALL SCORE (not an average) 7.0
cube.ign.com


Wrestling fans will be dissapointed with this low score from IGN.
I was thinking about buying it, now I can save my money.





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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 01:08:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tim Ballard <[e-mail]>
Subject: [NG] WaveBird

Does anyone have a WaveBird controller yet?  How is it?  Are they available
in all the different colors or just grey?

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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:58:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vi On <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] WaveBird

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Tim Ballard wrote:

> Does anyone have a WaveBird controller yet?  How is it?  Are they available
> in all the different colors or just grey?

I'll probably buy it next week.  gray is the only color.
Every website I gone to, cube.ign, planetgamecube, nintendojo, etc
all say wavebird is an awesome controller.  Extremely far distance.
The only sad part is i already own 4 controllers...and i bought them for
$30 a peice too.

- -Vi


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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 04:14:32 -0500
From: "Geoff Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] WaveBird

I ordered one through ebgames.com (20% off all console accessories through
midnight tonight, 6/13).  It should be here by Monday...

Geoff Taylor

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Subject: Re: [NG] WaveBird


>
>
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Tim Ballard wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have a WaveBird controller yet?  How is it?  Are they
available
> > in all the different colors or just grey?
>
> I'll probably buy it next week.  gray is the only color.
> Every website I gone to, cube.ign, planetgamecube, nintendojo, etc
> all say wavebird is an awesome controller.  Extremely far distance.
> The only sad part is i already own 4 controllers...and i bought them for
> $30 a peice too.
>
> -Vi
>
>
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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:29:27 -0500
From: Thraxen <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] WaveBird

> I'll probably buy it next week.  gray is the only color.
> Every website I gone to, cube.ign, planetgamecube, nintendojo, etc
> all say wavebird is an awesome controller.  Extremely far distance.
> The only sad part is i already own 4 controllers...and i bought them for
> $30 a peice too.
>
> -Vi

I'm passing on the Wavebird.  I don't see the big deal.  Wireless
controllers have been around for many years, this one just happens to be
made by a 1st party instead of the usual 3rd party.   The battery life seems
to be good, but they had to sacrifice the rumble feature to do so.  No
thanks.

Stryder


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Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:37:52 -0700
From: "Dexter S." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [NG] WaveBird

>
>
> I'm passing on the Wavebird.  I don't see the big deal.  Wireless
> controllers have been around for many years, this one just happens to be
> made by a 1st party instead of the usual 3rd party.   The battery life seems
> to be good, but they had to sacrifice the rumble feature to do so.  No
> thanks.

Riiight.  Wave Bird's selling point isn't because it's the first, it's because
it is the best.  It is quite durable, as Nintendo has demonstrated, and quite
reliable.  None of that infra red shit that would cut you off intermittently.

Dexter


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