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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: informal poll
Date: 01 Sep 1996 09:12:16 +1000

At 12:12 PM 8/25/96 -0400, you wrote:

>
>Also, when should you place the paddle of your stick flat along the
>ice/floor.  I've not been successful in using this technique to make a
>stop.

I use this a heap. When I'm screened by a few players I go down on one knee
and paddle down.......and when they skate\pass across the crease.

cya...Paul

Canterbury EAGLES #2
Australia


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Cooper Pad Sizing
Date: 03 Sep 1996 22:32:11 -0400


Hi All,

I have an opportunity to get a pair of Cooper Reactor 5 goal pads at cost.  I
need to get my order in quickly though, and I don't have an opportunity to
try any on in person.  I need to give them the pad size, that's it.  I know
that pad size can vary by manufacturer and ideally you would use your skate
size, distance to the middle of your knee, thigh rise, etc.... but they just
want the pad size (ie; 32, 34,35,36).  So, given the following measurements,
does anyone have a recommendation for what size I should order in this
particular pad?

Height         6'3 1/2"

Skate Size        11 1/2

Outseam         47 1/2"

Inside of Ankle bone to center of Knee (diagonal)   19"

Floor to center of bent knee (straight measurement)  21.5"

Center of Knee to middle of thigh (thigh rise)   approx. x  8"

Thanks for any help you can give!

PS  I also may be able to get a new trapper.  Any thoughts on the new Cooper
trappers?  The folks at Source for Sports tell me that the Reactor 5 is
terrible and doeesn't sell, but the Reactor 4 is pretty nice.  Any
recommendations?




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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Cooper Pad Sizing
Date: 04 Sep 1996 10:50:29 -0400

Dear Paul ,
                  I am 6'3" and I just ordered the Reactor 5000 a few months
ago at a size of 35". Now I don't know how big you like your pads , but I
like mine real big. You should get a pair of 34" pads if you like your pads
at just the right fitting. The only problem I see you having , is if your
ordering them to be made from Cooper. I ordered mine custom from Cooper over
4 months ago and I still don't have them. I didn't even order any outrageous
colors ....I basically ordered the black and white clashing concept that
Belfour had. Hopefully I'll get them soon. Anyways, my friend has the Reactor
4 blocker and he loves it , but if I was going to get a new blocker (which I
am getting soon) I'd get another Vaughn Vision. They are great !!!!! They fit
extremely well and add additional coverage to the net ....and we all need as
much help as we can get in our line of work. Well I hope this helps ya
out....good luck!!!




















                                                                      Dink!!!


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: test
Date: 04 Sep 1996 14:34:48 -0400 (EDT)

Hello Test
Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: [e-mail] (Ron Sandler)
Subject: New Address
Date: 05 Sep 1996 12:49:12 GMT

My main internet access provider will be changing soon, please change your
address book to reflect the e-mail address below my signature.  This will
ALWAYS be active and mail will be forwarded from there to my new address.

I will resubscribe to the list once the new account is activated.

Malcom,

I'll let you know soon the results of my quest.
--

Ron Sandler
[e-mail]


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From: John Ordonez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Cooper Pad Sizing
Date: 05 Sep 1996 13:46:24 +0000

At 02:32 AM 9/4/96 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Hi All,
>
>I have an opportunity to get a pair of Cooper Reactor 5 goal pads at cost.

LUCKY STIFF!!!   Not that I'm not very-very-very happy with my BATTRAM's
(tm) mind you; I just think the 5's are the best pads produced to date.
They're so full of features I'm surprised they just don't go out and stop
the pucks for you.


>
>Height         6'3 1/2"
>
>Skate Size        11 1/2


Damn kid, what do you eat!!!!


>PS  I also may be able to get a new trapper.  Any thoughts on the new Cooper
>trappers?  The folks at Source for Sports tell me that the Reactor 5 is
>terrible and doeesn't sell, but the Reactor 4 is pretty nice.  Any
>recommendations?

The SFS guy was right.  I've played with a Cooper 5 and it sucked.  The
glove has a very small pocket, the spoon shaped cuff is awkward and the
glove is rather cumbersome at first try.  The 4 has a larger pocket and
looks nicer.  The problem is that the cuff is bent on the left side, thus
taking some time to get used to rebound control.  But the upside is that the
cuff is bent in such a way that pucks don't skip over the cuff if it glances
off the left side.

If I had to do it all over again, I would definately get the Cooper 5'


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From: [e-mail] (Jim Crozier)
Subject: instructional videos
Date: 05 Sep 1996 09:04:02 -0700 (PDT)

I used to operate a goalie school in northern Ontario and recently was asked
to conduct some clinics.  Does anyone have suggestions for good goalie
instructional videos.  I am familiar with the original Jim Park video and
understand he has a second version out; is it worthwhile?  Other videos?

Ciao,
Jim


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From: John Ordonez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Clarification
Date: 05 Sep 1996 18:27:22 +0000



[Please read this post - though it is lengthy]

I think I should - no, HAVE to - respond to something which I recently
posted and seemed to carry some negative connotations.


>LUCKY STIFF!!!   Not that I'm not very-very-very happy with my BATTRAM's
>(tm) mind you; I just think the 5's are the best pads produced to date.
>They're so full of features I'm surprised they just don't go out and stop
>the pucks for you.
>
>If I had to do it all over again, I would definately get the Cooper 5'


        While I stressed that I was "very-very-very happy with my BATTRAM's
(tm)", the last line has apparently been taken to mean that I am not
"very-very-very happy" with them.
        What I noted was an opinion on what seemed to me as someone's good
fortune (how many of us get a chance to buy our expensive equipment at
cost?).  And yes, I do think the 5's have a lot to offer, and given the same
good fortune of buying them at cost I would'nt doubt I would jump at the
chance.  But this is NOT to say that I dislike what I purchased from Scott.
On the contrary, I thought the ""very-very-very happy" line made my
sentiments clear.
        Which brings me to this:  Though many on this list (including
myself) have purchaed BATTRAM pads and are quite pleased with them, I
thought this area was meant to openly discuss all aspects of the recreation
we enjoy, including equipment from all different manufacturers - whether
they hold a formal place in these discussions or not.
        When I was shopping for pads, they were meant as a graduation gift
from law school.  I could'nt spend a lot on pads but I was looking for the
best value for my dollar.  The reason I did'nt buy the 5's were because they
were around $1000 US which was way more that I could possibly spend.  When I
got a chance to talk to Scott, see his product and talk to others who
purchased from him, I knew this was where I was going to get the best value
for my limted dollars.  They did'nt have all the "bells and whistles" that
the 5's had, but for what I $200+ less that I saved and the quality I got in
return I was very-very-very happy.  Now guys come up to me all the time here
in NYC and ask about them, to which I gladly let them know from where I got
them.
        But there are other manufacurers out there, each of whom should be
part of the discussion between the list members.
        So please don't take what I wrote to mean anything negative about
Scott's equipment.  I was just stating an opinion, which I beleive I am
entitled to.


John Ordonez


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From: [e-mail] (Constance Marie Adams)
Subject: Re: Clarification
Date: 05 Sep 1996 11:46:31 -0700


I have to agree with John on this point.  I'm sure that Scott makes a great
product (and as soon as I get a new job, I'll prolly be putting in an order),
but he's not the only brand out there.  Sure, he's on the list and all, but
that doesn't mean we're not allowed to speak of others.  I still like Vaughn
products. We can't condemn the other brands just cause one of our own makes
equipment.

Just my $0.02

                            Steve


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From: "Matt Malicki" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Clarification
Date: 05 Sep 1996 15:20:14 +0000

Howdy:

    I've got to agree with this too.  I own 2 of Scott's products, and I
love them both dearly.  Would I recommend them?  Most definately (and
I have, to at least 1/2 dozen people).  But, I also like and respect
Vaughns.  (although, from what I've seen of the Cooper 5's, I'm not
terribly impressed).  There are many, many equipment companys out
there, some good, and some bad.

Later,

Matt Malicki

PS:  If there are any people on the list in the SouthWest Michigan
area(K-Zoo, GR, etc.), could you please point me at some hockey.  I
have yet to find a rink that offers drop-in.


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Clarification
Date: 05 Sep 1996 15:54:12 -0400 (EDT)

At 11:46 AM 9/5/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I have to agree with John on this point.  I'm sure that Scott makes a great
>product (and as soon as I get a new job, I'll prolly be putting in an order),
>but he's not the only brand out there.  Sure, he's on the list and all, but
>that doesn't mean we're not allowed to speak of others.  I still like Vaughn
>products. We can't condemn the other brands just cause one of our own makes
>equipment.
>
>Just my $0.02
>
>                            Steve

Thanks for the kind words Steve, Matt and John!

You guys are right... there are all kinds of companies doing great work...
Coopers top pads are very good indeed, although I see a couple of things I
would do differently.... such as cover the felt backing with a Cordura! and
also use a NASH CLARINO boot liner Other than that, its a nice unit!

I have always been a huge fan of VAUGHN stuff... only because Mike Vaughn is
the best in the world at what he does... he is the greatest combination of
business man, designer and manufacturer of any of us... Mike not only can
take a sewing machine apart and rebuild it, he also can sell his products to
the masses, and design on his own.

Heaton and Brians also make a decent products too, and the guys at Brians
(Troy Stomp and his brother) are pretty darn good guys too.. he sells me
material in small quantities since I have no need to buy 1000 yards of
coolmax yet, I can get 15 or 20 at a time from him!

Where we at Battram have our niche right now is being able to work 1 on 1
with the customer and come up with the best quality product... possible for
that persons needs.. and sell it directly to the customer... Heck if you can
get any goal equipment at cost go for it! you would be a fool not to! I know
what the cost prices are on such items... (I assume Paul meant the stores
cost!!)

This is why we are great to deal with... there isn't that additional 35 -
45% markup on our gear when you buy direct... Goalie Gear in stores is the
biggest money loss going unless it can be turned over in a few weeks...
otherwise, it sits and gets out of style...especially now when stuff is
changing a couple times a year... and this is one of the reasons small
sports stores hate selling goal equipment... as its high ticket and slow
moving... unlike sticks or skates... or shoes....

Anyhow... once again, thanks guys!

And I certainly understood Johns first message... as I carefully read it!

Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: Andy Tu <[e-mail]>
Subject: Byron DAfoe Pads shin graphics design
Date: 06 Sep 1996 00:49:33 +0000

I saw him and storr at training camp or scrimage today and
dafoe got new pads 35" with a bunch of small stars in black and white
on the lower half of the pads below the shin .tons of stars


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From: Tigger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hi all!
Date: 06 Sep 1996 10:00:02 -0400 (EDT)

I'm back in school ya'all....and I have a new e-mail address (no wonder
my messages kept bouncing!)....so now I'm all set and ready to go!
    I'd like to tell you guys about the best stick I've ever had!
It is a Brian's goal stick (the other name I can't remember at this time...)
It is light, but not as light as a Helite III, and IT IS SOLID....every
other stick that I have owned (sherwoods, Heatons, and Louisville), has
had some kind of breaks/cracks, after 3 or 4 uses....all this stick has
is a small chip out of the paddle...THIS STICK IS AMAZING...I'd like to
suggest to anyone of you'all to try this stick....you'll be "hooked!"
        Time for class, talk to ya'all later!
                Rick "Tigger"
                #30

"T is for Tigger, who loves to bounce high, when you call his name, He'll
                         come bouncing by."

            "Jesus SAVES!...and Gretzky scores on the rebound!"

Rick Johnson                   "See the Puck,
310 Harris Hall                    Stop the Puck,
University of Vermont                Simple."
Burlington, VT 05405               - Hockey-Goalie list member
[phone]

"You think your stressed? I get shot at to relax!"
                       -Hockey-Goalie list member

Check out my Web site --> http://www.uvm.edu/~rcjohnso/tigger.html <--



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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hi all!
Date: 06 Sep 1996 11:32:57 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Tigger wrote:

> It is a Brian's goal stick (the other name I can't remember at this time...)

The Brian's SNIPER... An amazing stick, I agree. Kevlar reinforced along
the bottom of the blade, with a curve that would make a 1993 Marty
McSorely proud... The paddle is a bit short for my tastes, but it is well
balanced and takes a pretty heavy beating before breaking. I am on my
second such stick and the first lasted almost 20 games. At $45-55 in
Montreal, I would hope they last longer than the average $30 Christian.
During breaks in pickup games, the opposing goalie and I will flick the
puck down the length of the ice at each other. I get hang time that some
NFL kickers would die for; I've even put up high enough to carom off one
of the ceiling lights. :o

HotBranch!
___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Hi all!
Date: 06 Sep 1996 12:07:38 -0400


Re: Brian's Sniper Stick
Does anyone know if this stick is available in a right curve?


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hi all!
Date: 06 Sep 1996 12:19:49 -0400 (EDT)

At 10:00 AM 9/6/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm back in school ya'all....and I have a new e-mail address (no wonder
>my messages kept bouncing!)....so now I'm all set and ready to go!
>    I'd like to tell you guys about the best stick I've ever had!
>It is a Brian's goal stick (the other name I can't remember at this time...)
>It is light, but not as light as a Helite III, and IT IS SOLID....every
>other stick that I have owned (sherwoods, Heatons, and Louisville), has
>had some kind of breaks/cracks, after 3 or 4 uses....all this stick has
>is a small chip out of the paddle...THIS STICK IS AMAZING...I'd like to
>suggest to anyone of you'all to try this stick....you'll be "hooked!"
>        Time for class, talk to ya'all later!
>                Rick "Tigger"
>                #30
>

Ouch you guys are paying lots of moolah for sticks!! I have a source who
gets me Louisville TPS sticks for $10.00 Canadian! Even if they only last 2
- 3 months heck... I can get 10 for what most people pay for 2.. and those
expensive sticks, you never know when they will snap, I have boughten sticks
for 48.00 each and had them last 1 week!

Maybe If I get enough people I could buy a hundred sticks or so!

>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"T is for Tigger, who loves to bounce high, when you call his name, He'll
>                         come bouncing by."
>
>            "Jesus SAVES!...and Gretzky scores on the rebound!"
>
>Rick Johnson                   "See the Puck,
>310 Harris Hall                    Stop the Puck,
>University of Vermont                Simple."
>Burlington, VT 05405               - Hockey-Goalie list member
>[phone]
>
>"You think your stressed? I get shot at to relax!"
>                       -Hockey-Goalie list member
>
>Check out my Web site --> http://www.uvm.edu/~rcjohnso/tigger.html <--
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: NORRIS Douglas Todd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hi all!
Date: 06 Sep 1996 11:03:06 -0600 (MDT)


On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Paul Branchaud wrote:

> During breaks in pickup games, the opposing goalie and I will flick the

You guys get breaks during pickup games? :-)

Doug (feels like the Leafs goaltenders circa 1985)

      Douglas Todd Norris ([e-mail]) "The Mad Kobold"
  Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html
   "I am not gonna raise taxes on the middle class to pay for these programs"
                - President William Jefferson Blythe Clinton


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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hi all!
Date: 06 Sep 1996 13:10:34 -0400 (EDT)

On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, NORRIS Douglas Todd wrote:

> You guys get breaks during pickup games? :-)

It's all those lazy forwards who want to stop and catch their breath. I
used to wonder what the wheezing sound was... ;)

> Doug (feels like the Leafs goaltenders circa 1985)

Reminds me of an old Maple Laughs joke:

After a particularly brutal Leafs game where Peter Ing [I think he was
used then, but insert you favorite Leafs goalie if you are an Ing fan] was
beaten for 7 goals, he decided that life was no longer worth living, so he
jumped in front of the team bus. Only to have it go through his legs...

;)

HotBranch!
___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*



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From: Rob Miracle <[e-mail]>
Subject: YABPR - Yet Another Battram Pad Review
Date: 06 Sep 1996 14:03:58 -0400

Well, my 9 year old roller hockey goalie finaly got to use his pads in a
game this week.  I had been waiting on some in game experience before
posting this.

The Setup:
Southernmost Hockey Club, Key West, FL.
Rink Surface: smooth asphalt w/ Street Ice (tm) smooth surface.
Currently us a Sun Hockey (water filled) ball, switching to a puck
(probably the Mach-I warm-weather).
9 Year Old, ~100 lbs, 4'6".
Previous pads: Mylec 23", Franklin 23".

We decided that our son needed new pads.  These street pads are complete
garbage and we began looking around.  A couple of the kids in the league
have Vaughns ($250US models) and one kid has a set of Browns ($200US).
Being an internet junkie, we discovered the Battram web sight and took a
look.  After realizing that the pricing was Canadian and that the US prices
made his pads much more affordable, we began discussing the pads with Scott.

The Sale
Scott was tremendous to work with.  I felt that he had a genuine concern for
Brandon and making sure the pads were right.  We worked out the details and
in about three weeks, the pads were in our hands (UPS thinks that Key West
is special and gives us a couple more days to revel about what we ordered
before we actually get it.)  Based on the effort and time that Scott put
into the sale, he can bet that when we order his catcher, that order will
come his way.
We decided on getting the 2000's instead of the 1000's.  We worked out what
we tought would look great.  To give you an idea on what they do look like,
take the picture of the 2000's from the web site and where you see blue,
make it fire engine red.  Where you see black, make that University of
Kentucky Blue.
All lettering and emborary in white as well as the straps.

The Pads -- First Reaction
  a) They look fantastic.  They looked better than we even conceived.  The
colors worked.  The White "BattraM" against the blue was fantastic.
Everyone who saw them when we took them out of the van "oohhed, and aaahhed"
are were insanely jealous.

  b) These things are heavy.  Compaired to the light weight trash that
roller kids used, these ice pads were a big shock.  It took Brandon some
time to adjust to the weight and he is still a bit slow at getting up
(beyond his normal slowness).  However, they are soooo solid that I don't
think he would feel an NHL slap shot if it hit him.

The Pads -- First Use.
It was raining the day they arrived, so we didn't get to use them.  Alas we
would have to wait a bit longer.  The next day, he got to go out for a
pickup event, and he quickly discovered that he no longer wanted to go down.
He had some difficulty getting up, but is working to over come that.
Between the increased weight, size (these are 25" pads, so they come up a
bit higher on his legs), and not being broken in, he is having to work
harder to recover.

A couple of the top straps are a bit short, and the elastic/velcro inner
strap are too tight to go around his chubby legs particularly when he wears
his hockey pants (Koho regular hockey pants, not goalie pants).  The pads
overlap the pants by about six inches in back and the top straps are a bit
tight when put on.  We should have made sure to tell Scott that he is a bit
big and that could have been fixed.  As it is, they work, so its really a
non problem, we just don't attach the elastic/velcro inner strap and we are
in business. The pads don't move around at all.

The Pads -- Second Use.
Finally, he gets to use them in something real.  We have a camp put on by
the ECHL Tallahassee Tigersharks.  The camp is taught with the Jofa ISD
speed puck.  My next impression of the pads is "Wow! What great rebound
control."  Every puck fired by the Tigersharks coaches that hit the pads
bounce straight down and less that two feet away.  The only long rebounds he
gives up are ones that hit the stick.  This was very impressive.

Camp lasts for a week, by the end, Brandon is almost a standup goalie now
(we are working to correct this....) but the pads are starting to limber up.
The leather around the bottom of the pads are starting to get roughed up by
the surface.  If this was being used on raw asphalt, they would be pretty
chewed up.  However, I expect this is normal for the surface and we will
have to work with leather conditioners and tape and such to protect these
areas.  In fact, the roughing up may have come from putting them on and
wearing them out on the surrounding normal asphalt.

The Pads -- Third Use.
Camp is over, and we have two make up games to play from our summer season.
This is probably the last time these pads will see a ball since we are
switching to a puck for the winter season.  Brandon's confidence is at an
all time high.  He goes out and plays a great game (for him and considering
our teams lack of defenese, but I'm the coach, so its my fault....).  He
gave up five goals (which is an improvement.  He has one of the worst GAA's
but one of the better save pcts.).  The goals, that he gave up were two
stick high power play goals, a glove high 3 on none, a screened goal, and a
late game "Im tired and don't feel like moving" goal.  That aside, other
than the one lazy goal that he let in, any thing that was near his legs
didn't go anywere near the net.  I was pretty impressed by their use in a
game situation.

Thinks I would Change.
If I were to have the chance to change these pads in any way, it would be to
take the bottoms and open them up so that, like the Mylec pads, shaped
around the boot.  Roller Blades leave a larger 5 hole than do ice-goalie
skates.  Mylec's pads come down to a point where a ball cannot slip between
the feet of a goalie while he is standing up with his legs together.  The
bottom design of these pads allow that.  Also, the laces on the toe of the
pads still have us quite confused.  When we try to tie them the way we think
they should be tied they interfere with his wheels.  Also, we take the
leather buckle strap on the back and instead of running it under the skates
around the frame, we loop it around the heal.  This seems to provide quite a
bit of stability.  Maybe someone can give us some instruction on what to to
with these laces and straps.

Overall Product Opinion.
We love them and are very glad to have gotten them.  Scott did a fabulous
job with both customer service and manufacturing.  We definatly plan to
recommend them to others wanting pads.

Rob

--
Rob Miracle <[e-mail]>
Tantalus Inc.
Be patient or be a patient. -- Anton Devious


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hi all!
Date: 07 Sep 1996 13:45:53 -0400

At 01:03 PM 9/7/96 -0400, you wrote:
>On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Scott Battram wrote:
>
>> Ouch you guys are paying lots of moolah for sticks!! I have a source who
>> gets me Louisville TPS sticks for $10.00 Canadian! Even if they only last 2
>> - 3 months heck... I can get 10 for what most people pay for 2.. and those
>> expensive sticks, you never know when they will snap, I have boughten sticks
>> for 48.00 each and had them last 1 week!
>>
>> Maybe If I get enough people I could buy a hundred sticks or so!
>
>Scott,
>
>If you want to arrange a group order, count me in. Are left curves
>available? Which model of Louisville stick can you get? I have used
>Louisville sticks in the past and felt "Eh... Could be better, could be
>worse." about them, but at $10 a pop, that is dirt cheap and I could be a
>full-fledged convert. I saw a Louisville TPS Light, Joseph model today
>and it retails for $45 in Montreal. Let me know which model(s) you can
>get and I will try to find it in Montreal to test. If I like it, I might
>order at least 5, maybe more.
>
>If a group order can't be arranged, would there be any way for you to
>order some of these sticks in a more limited quantity? I am quite
>interested in a stick at such a low price... Of course, the last sticks I
>bought REALLY cheap were Northlands (~$15 apiece) and they lasted for a
>combined total of 6 shots in warmup...
>
>HotBranch!
>___________________________________________________________________________
>Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
>Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
>3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
>St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
>[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
>*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*
>
>
>
>

I have to call the guy later this weekend... but I think the amount I can
get depends on the amount of seconds in stock at Louisville where my buddy
works...

I can get right or left... and the ones I have here for myself are the
JOSEPH model with CUJO on it...

They also have the new kevlar wrapped ones... but this guy had one, and it
isnt lasting as long as the regular ones...

I usually break mine more out of frustration on the posts before they break
on a shot!

Rick Correia saw me snap my last one!! haha but it was getting to the point
where I needed to re-tape it so it was easier to snap it... and throw it away!

Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: "Armand Joncas" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Thank you, Canada !!
Date: 09 Sep 1996 00:26:41 -0400

                      Subject:                              Time:  11:50 PM
  OFFICE MEMO         Thank you, Canada !!                  Date:  9/8/96

  As a citizen of the United States who thinks (and has for 30 years) that
hockey is the best and most exciting sport in the world, I want to personally
thank all my Canadian friends in Ottawa for supporting Team Russia in their
semi-final World Cup match vs. Team USA. There is no greater compliment that you
could have given than to root against us in this game, as it indicates that you
now consider the USA to be your new arch-rival and main threat to your hockey
supremacy. I now look forward to a duel between two of the best goalies in the
world ... let the finals begin !!


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Thank you, Canada !!
Date: 09 Sep 1996 02:19:19 -0400

I'm just glad , we will finally be able to stick it to Canada!!! I am so
tired of hearing how Canada is SSOOO much better than US hockey is , when it
comes to talent!! I heard it when I was at hockey camps for my whole
highschool life , I hear it on AOL and the internet all the time , and I even
heard it after we (my highschool) beat the hell out of the Canadien National
Team 7-3. I couldn't believe they even looked at us after that poor
showing!!! Anyway , I hope that US wins just so we have some support  backing
us in our clame that US hockey is just as good as Canada.




















































                GO USA!!!
                                                             Dink!!


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From: [e-mail] (Kenn Hutchins)
Subject: Re: Thank you, Canada !!
Date: 09 Sep 1996 00:07:28 -0700

At 00:26 9/9/96, Armand Joncas wrote:
>                      Subject:                              Time:  11:50 PM
>  OFFICE MEMO         Thank you, Canada !!                  Date:  9/8/96
>
>  As a citizen of the United States who thinks (and has for 30 years) that
>hockey is the best and most exciting sport in the world, I want to personally
>thank all my Canadian friends in Ottawa for supporting Team Russia in their
>semi-final World Cup match vs. Team USA. There is no greater compliment
>that you
>could have given than to root against us in this game, as it indicates that you
>now consider the USA to be your new arch-rival and main threat to your hockey
>supremacy. I now look forward to a duel between two of the best goalies in the
>world ... let the finals begin !!


I believe, that the pointed booing was not that the team itself was
American:  but rather, that there are hockey players on the American team
that also have Canadian citizenship (i.e. Brett Hull, whose father played
for Team Canada a number of years ago.)

In reference to Dink's comment:  some other fans only wished to have the
opportunity to play the Russian team (not only because of previous great
matches), but to have the opportunity to beat them, again, because of the
Russian complaining: that the linesman was to slow to call the too many men
on the ice penalty, in the last match, and, therefore the goal should have
been allowed etc. etc. etc. (thanks to Yul Brynner).

As well, Dink, I sincerely believe that the two best goalies played in the
Stanley Cup finals this past spring and are not participating in this
tournament.  Namely John Vanbezbrook (please excuse spelling} the Beezer,
an American by the way, and, Patrick Roy, a Canadian.

Let this be a good display of hockey, that, both nations can be proud of on
our way down memory lane.

Sincerely

Kenn Hutchins

Soit sage et prudent!



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From: "Roger Oulton" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Thank you, Canada !!
Date: 09 Sep 1996 09:15:27 -0500

> From:          [e-mail]
> Date:          Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:19:19 -0400
> To:            [e-mail]
> Subject:       Re: Thank you, Canada !!

> I'm just glad , we will finally be able to stick it to Canada!!! I am so
> tired of hearing how Canada is SSOOO much better than US hockey is , when it
> comes to talent!! I heard it when I was at hockey camps for my whole
> highschool life , I hear it on AOL and the internet all the time , and I even
> heard it after we (my highschool) beat the hell out of the Canadien National
> Team 7-3. I couldn't believe they even looked at us after that poor
> showing!!! Anyway , I hope that US wins just so we have some support  backing
> us in our clame that US hockey is just as good as Canada.
>
>                 GO USA!!!
>                                                              Dink!


You ofcourse Realaize though that most of the quality players in the
NHL are either Canadian or European..   For example look at the San
Jose Sharks starting lineup when they first formed.  $ Europeans, 3
Americans, and the rest Canadains!  Simiairyly with most of the other
Hockey teams around the world/nation.


We may figure you guys to be a threat, but when it cums right down to
the reality cheque,  We canadians Supply the leguae with players.

Not that I'm bragging or boasting, just making a statement of
observation. Personally I don't care where you're from as long as
your doing your job well, and NOT in mediocraty.

Hope things Go for Both teams in the finals!
roger
xcentric/ Man-Dingo


PS: to all those who went to the camp this year, I now have the
pictures back from the photo lab.  I'll be making a contact sheet on
the computer this week.  Let me know if you want a copy of the sheet
to paruse.  Also i will be taking orders for reprints in analouge  If
anybody is wanting a group shot or any of the others.

See ya!


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From: Oliver Calderon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kill this thread - Re: Thank you, Canada !!
Date: 09 Sep 1996 10:27:28 -0400

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 [e-mail] wrote:

> I'm just glad , we will finally be able to stick it to Canada!!! I am so
> tired of hearing how Canada is SSOOO much better than US hockey is , when it
> comes to talent!! I heard it when I was at hockey camps for my whole
> highschool life , I hear it on AOL and the internet all the time , and I even
> heard it after we (my highschool) beat the hell out of the Canadien National
> Team 7-3. I couldn't believe they even looked at us after that poor
> showing!!! Anyway , I hope that US wins just so we have some support  backing
> us in our clame that US hockey is just as good as Canada.
>
Ok, it's nice that we're all nationalistic and proud of our respective
companies, but I'd rather not have a Canada vs US hockey flame war here,
and besides, it has nothing to do whatsoever with goaltending! Stop
trolling! What is this, the usenet?

-MOSSey
"Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER"         | Oliver "Moss" Calderon
"Do not go gentle into that good night;      | [e-mail]
 Rage, rage against the dying of the light." |
 ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9   |


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From: Oliver Calderon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hi all!
Date: 09 Sep 1996 10:29:55 -0400

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Scott Battram wrote:

> At 01:03 PM 9/7/96 -0400, you wrote:
<SNIP> >
> >If you want to arrange a group order, count me in. Are left curves
> >available? Which model of Louisville stick can you get? I have used
> >Louisville sticks in the past and felt "Eh... Could be better, could be
> >worse." about them, but at $10 a pop, that is dirt cheap and I could be a
> >full-fledged convert. I saw a Louisville TPS Light, Joseph model today
> >and it retails for $45 in Montreal. Let me know which model(s) you can
> >get and I will try to find it in Montreal to test. If I like it, I might
> >order at least 5, maybe more.
> >
> >If a group order can't be arranged, would there be any way for you to
> >order some of these sticks in a more limited quantity? I am quite
> >interested in a stick at such a low price... Of course, the last sticks I
> >bought REALLY cheap were Northlands (~$15 apiece) and they lasted for a
> >combined total of 6 shots in warmup...
> >
The Louisville TPS's used to be my favorite sticks, even if they did have
an unfortunate tendancy to crack down the middle of the paddle. I
personally would be interested in buying 4-5 sticks or so. if you could
arrange that big group order. Thanx.

-MOSSey
"Pain's Temporary - Glory's FOREVER"         | Oliver "Moss" Calderon
"Do not go gentle into that good night;      | [e-mail]
 Rage, rage against the dying of the light." |
 ENGINEERS RULE THE WORLD!!!!! UoT MMS 9T9   |


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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Kill this thread - Re: Thank you, Canada !!
Date: 09 Sep 1996 10:35:47 -0400 (EDT)

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Oliver Calderon wrote:

> Ok, it's nice that we're all nationalistic and proud of our respective
> companies, but I'd rather not have a Canada vs US hockey flame war here,
> and besides, it has nothing to do whatsoever with goaltending! Stop
> trolling! What is this, the usenet?

Hear! Hear! Just mentionning that Team Canada and Team USA have goalies
does not qualify this flag-waving topic for the goalie mailing list. I
get enough of these nationalistic blind faith arguments from other lists, I
don't need an umpteenth version here. I would rather the topics stay true
to the nature of this list.

HotBranch!
___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: my home page
Date: 09 Sep 1996 10:40:17 -0400


HI guys, I have a web page up now, with some hockey links.  If anyone
would like to take a look, and send me your suggestions and comments,
please feel free to do so!

The addy is: http://www.geocities.com/athens/1272

See ya

Steve


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From: Dave Steinhart <[e-mail]>
Subject: Moderator says "Kill it Dead"
Date: 09 Sep 1996 08:42:48 -0600 (MDT)

Oliver Calderon opined thusly:
>
> Ok, it's nice that we're all nationalistic and proud of our respective
> companies, but I'd rather not have a Canada vs US hockey flame war here,
> and besides, it has nothing to do whatsoever with goaltending! Stop
> trolling! What is this, the usenet?

Agreed.  If you guys want to rumble, take it to rec.sport.hockey.

Moderator Dave


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From: John Ordonez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Thank you, Canada !!
Date: 09 Sep 1996 21:24:12 +0000

At 04:26 AM 9/9/96 +0000, you wrote:
>                      Subject:                              Time:  11:50 PM
>  OFFICE MEMO         Thank you, Canada !!                  Date:  9/8/96
>
>  As a citizen of the United States who thinks (and has for 30 years) that
>hockey is the best and most exciting sport in the world, I want to personally
>thank all my Canadian friends in Ottawa for supporting Team Russia in their
>semi-final World Cup match vs. Team USA. There is no greater compliment
that you
>could have given than to root against us in this game, as it indicates that you
>now consider the USA to be your new arch-rival and main threat to your hockey
>supremacy. I now look forward to a duel between two of the best goalies in the
>world ... let the finals begin !!
>

(Sorry for the long post, but it seems I always write a long post to this list)

First of all, there is NO WAY in Hell you can determine from this tournament
that the quality of Hockey in the USA is as good or better than Canada's
(this, comming from a proud American) and that's why the few in the Ottawa
crowd were rooting for Team Russia.  While hockey is growing rapidly in
popularity here in the US, this is by no means an indication that the talent
pool has increased so as to be the "main threat to [Canada's] hockey supremacy".

First note that this USA squad has Brett Hull, who should not really be
playing for them (he was born in Canada).  And then consider that team
Canada is missing two incredible stars from thier roster - Mario Lemieux and
Patrick Roy.

And I'm sorry, but Mike Richter is not the best goalie the US has to offer.
VBK is much better and Carey just won the Vezina while Richter wasn't even
nominated!!  But VBK is comming off surgery in the off season and Carey has
no international experience (that I know of at least).

As for the bigger picture that SOME have posted about - suddenly declaring
that the good ol' US of A is now on par with the world's hockey powerhouse -
think about this.  Canada has about 1/3 of the population of the USA, yet
I've heard of figures saying that close to 1 in 5 Canadians are associated
in some way with the sport of hockey (players, coaches, refs, rink
administrators, equipment makers, etc.).  Even if the figure is 1 in 50,
that's far, far, far BEYOND the amount of people involved with hockey here
in the USA.

Hockey here is still mostly confined to the Northeast and Central regions
(Maine, Mass., Conn., NY, Mich., etc.).  And that's where almost ALL of the
current american NHL'ers hail from.  Though there are teams in Florida,
Phoneix, California, this is not where our top American players come from.
Whereas Canadian hockey players come from all over Canada - from little
towns to major cities like Toronto.

And when you see American college hockey, where do you think a good portion
of the players come from?  Canada!! (From what I understand, this is because
Canadian universities do not offer full athletic scholarships like American
universities do).

Also note that other countries have had a weaker economic structure than the
US so as to provide nice rinks and $ for new equipment, but have produced
some great NHL players (Russia, Sweden, Chechoslovakia [sp?]).

And where do you think the American players go to get better training and
face better competition?  They go play in Canada of course!!  I've gone to
camps in Canada when I was a kid, as have all of my friends who I played
with growing up.  I'll tell you from now playing soley in NYC, I get upset
knowing that after taking 3 years off from playing to concentrate on law
school, I can't play as well as I used to because the quality that I see
here is no where near what I was used to growing up and then playing in
college.  Sometimes I wish I had the time and the money to spend a couple of
weeks or so up north and play against folks who've been playing all their
lives so my game could improve  (But I've got more important things to worry
about) !!


So, again, sorry for the long post, but enough is enough.

John Ordonez


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Thank you, Canada !!
Date: 09 Sep 1996 18:23:05 -0400

At 02:19 AM 09/09/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm just glad , we will finally be able to stick it to Canada!!! I am so
>tired of hearing how Canada is SSOOO much better than US hockey is , when it
>comes to talent!! I heard it when I was at hockey camps for my whole
>highschool life , I hear it on AOL and the internet all the time , and I even
>heard it after we (my highschool) beat the hell out of the Canadien National
>Team 7-3. I couldn't believe they even looked at us after that poor
>showing!!! Anyway , I hope that US wins just so we have some support  backing
>us in our clame that US hockey is just as good as Canada.

I think that that statement held true many years ago when Hockey wasnt as
popular in the US as it is now... you see what has happened is about 15
years or so ago, Hockey started become more and more popular in the USA,
therefor many more kids began playing the sport, and hence those kids are
now the men you see playing for team USA.  It really doesnt matter what
nationality one is, but rather how much coaching, training and ice time one
gets to improve at the sport... naturally, American and Canadian kids are
about the same in body size and types, therefor there is no physical
difference... so it just stands to reason that with the development of the
US hockey program, that the US could easilly ice a team equal to Canada...

All one has to do is look at the dominance of the Russians many years back,
under the comunist regime, many people were placed in various sports at a
young age, and were developed to their highest potential by coaches, and as
a result won many competitions...

In closing... it doesnt matter where your from, your race or anything like
that, but simply how well the sport is developed, and the level of coaching
and competition you play with and against.

How well do you think a group of North American hichschool students would do
in a cricket match against a group of the same aged boys from the West
Indies, whom have been playing the sport for half their lives, versus one or
two years for the North American boys??? Now... if you even the odds, and
have the Americans coached with the same level of expertise as their
opponets in the West Indies, and given them the same amount of time on the
field ... you can see that the odds are becoming more even...

This is the same as the USA Canada thing... the USA has simply caught up
with us Canadians in the calibre of play and instruction...

Its all about the game, and thats all, if we are entertained by the event, I
could care less if it was Korea VS. England.. so long as its a good game!

But mind you... I will always cheer on Canada... but if the USA wins... that
is a testimonial to their improved system!

Its gonna go 3 games... thats for sure!

Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Thank you, Canada !!
Date: 09 Sep 1996 18:32:10 -0400


>
>And when you see American college hockey, where do you think a good portion
>of the players come from?  Canada!! (From what I understand, this is because
>Canadian universities do not offer full athletic scholarships like American
>universities do).
>
Also, you have a far better chance at getting signed to an NHL club from
Major JNR A in Canada, or from a US NCAA DIV 1 center...

>Also note that other countries have had a weaker economic structure than the
>US so as to provide nice rinks and $ for new equipment, but have produced
>some great NHL players (Russia, Sweden, Chechoslovakia [sp?]).
>
Alot of these players were molded from children to play hockey.. and there
development was looked after from the governments... note the decline in the
past few years to the Russian Powerhouse clubs, this is due to the lack of
funding...

>And where do you think the American players go to get better training and
>face better competition?  They go play in Canada of course!!  I've gone to
>camps in Canada when I was a kid, as have all of my friends who I played
>with growing up.  I'll tell you from now playing soley in NYC, I get upset
>knowing that after taking 3 years off from playing to concentrate on law
>school, I can't play as well as I used to because the quality that I see
>here is no where near what I was used to growing up and then playing in
>college.  Sometimes I wish I had the time and the money to spend a couple of
>weeks or so up north and play against folks who've been playing all their
>lives so my game could improve  (But I've got more important things to worry
>about) !!
>
Right, and now that many US kids are starting to take up the sport at age 5
like here in Canada... watch in the next 10 - 15 years for the levels of
competition to be on par with each other... I remember playing against
American Kids in tournaments 10 years ago... and all one had to do was watch
them skate... you could tell these kids hadnt been on the blades for nearly
as long as we had! I think I was on skates when I was about 3... playing
hockey at 4... then got the crazy notion to play goal at about 5... so...
there you go... experience is the factor... not ability or skill... of
course those help!


>
>So, again, sorry for the long post, but enough is enough.
>
>John Ordonez
>
>
>
Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: "Steven Sanyal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Thank you, Canada !!
Date: 09 Sep 1996 19:10:57 -0400

Well, it seems that just about everyone is posting on this one, so I might
as well add my two cents.  To correct John Ordonez's statement - Canada has
about 1/10th the population of the United States, not 1/3.  We only have 28
million people or so in Canada, but hockey is our national pasttime.

When you consider the World Cup, you have to consider that first and
foremost, hockey is a TEAM game.  The best TEAM will win, not necessarily
the best collection of high paid superstars.  Gretzky, Lindros, Messier,
Sakic, Shanahan, Damphousse are amazing players, along with the rest of
them.  But you have to win as a team, and Team Canada has shown that it has
not had the chemistry it had in the past.

Team USA's organizers have indicated many times that they chose players
based on who would fit in best on the team.  They explained that sometimes,
players thought of as higher calibre were passed over, to get guys who have
the balls and the determinaton to get the job done.  Guys like Joel Otto
are key names in these kinds of issues.

I think that Team USA's organizers have done an excellent job, as they have
clearly distinguished themselves as the dominant team in this tournament.
Team Canada, with all its big names have come up far short.

As for the booing - I'm not entirely sure why it happened.  The CBC
suggested that the Americans were being booed because Canada versus Russia
was the traditional matchup in our minds.  It is true - the most exciting
games I remember are Canada vs. Russia matchups from the Canada Cup.  They
are doubly exciting for me because we also won!

Perhaps Canadians have expressed themselves arrogantly at times when it
comes to hockey - professing our dominance.  It is not always meant in
arrogance, but it is an expression that hockey is an integral part of our
culture  - something that at times is more of a common link between
Canadians than anything else.  And when it comes to sports, USA is very
well known for their high degree of commercialism.  Many Canadians (and
Americans who have been hockey fans for a long time) are horrified when
presented with ideas like making the goal twice as wide to make scores
18-15 in games.  I'm sure that we goaltenders are the most concerned -
there go GAA's down the drain if that happens!

I think the Canadian booing is partly out of fear and dissatisfaction with
the changing face of the game.  The expansions, the fact that in the pros
everything is just seemingly business these days, the computerized puck,
and the disappearance of Canadian teams from the NHL.  The fact is: the US
has ten times our population, and with the amount that USA invests into
athletic development (proportionally much much much higher than what Canada
does), I'm sure that we don't want to lose what is close to our hearts,
that's all.

Steve

[e-mail]

Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272



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From: "BURNS,JEREMY"  <[e-mail]>
Subject:  MODERATOR SAYS KILL IT DEAD
Date: 10 Sep 1996  11:05AM

>Oliver Calderon opined thusly:
>>
>> Ok, it's nice that we're all nationalistic and proud of our respective
>> companies, but I'd rather not have a Canada vs US hockey flame war
>>here,
>> and besides, it has nothing to do whatsoever with goaltending! Stop
>> trolling! What is this, the usenet?

>Agreed.  If you guys want to rumble, take it to rec.sport.hockey.

>Moderator Dave

For sure.  But this thread has made for some interesting discussion in
between moments of flag-wavin' & chest-beatin'...

Hockey is a Canadian passion.  Hell, they thought of it first.  And as
such it will always be a part of (and reflective of) Canadian culture,
like football is in America; a bad analogy here, but even if the CFL
became the hottest ticket in Canada it would still be considered for
the most part an imported American sport...however, exposure to that
sport in turn creates more home grown Canadian pro football stars...

...which is the thing that excites me about hockey right now.  While
its growth as a sport has caused some unpleasantness among the purists
(the laser puck, proposals to end fighting, silly rule changes,
grimace-inducing marketing schemes, etc.), it has also introduced
countless thousands to the joys of hockey, both in participation and
appreciation...

I believe Scott alluded to this, and living here in the South I can say
that the inline skate boom has really broadened hockey's horizons.
Growing up in Texas I had no ice rinks to skate in, no sub-freezing
temps which would allow me to flood the back yard in winter.  But
inline skating is now the #1 recreational activity in the US, and after
you do it awhile you get bored just skatin' around & look for something
else to do on 'em, & there it is.  Hockey.  Folks try it, & they're
hooked.  I see a lot of kids involved in roller hockey, & perhaps some
will be NHL'ers of the future.  It really jazzes me to see inner city
kids doing it & to think about the innovations they will bring to the
table to elevate the game like how basketball was transformed in the
seventies and beyond...we've started a league for the kids here and
there are some as young as 5-6 out there, doing quite well for
themselves...

Plus of course there are all the NHL teams down here.  Like, we
have the Stars in Dallas now, which basically means I get to go see the
Hawks play here a coupla times a year.  Ed-die!

I'm interested in what's gonna happen when the NHL gets a Deion
Sanders/Dennis Rodman type outrageous/outrageously marketed player.
Perhaps a trash talkin', crease dancin' goaltender...

thanks
jeremy


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From: Dave Steinhart <[e-mail]>
Subject: Cut it out
Date: 10 Sep 1996 10:17:25 -0600 (MDT)


Come on, guys.  This is not a nationalism list.  Enough people have
expressed their annoyance over these Canada vs. USA posts, and I as
moderator have deemed the thread unreasonable for this list.  Enough.
America surrenders--please refrain from further posting on this topic.

Dave


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From: [e-mail] (Stormwind)
Subject: New topic!  (was Re: Cut it out)
Date: 10 Sep 1996 10:04:43 -0700


Dave writes:
>Come on, guys.  This is not a nationalism list.

so I'll help start a new topic!

i'm in the process of updating my (sadly neglected)
hockey pages.  i am MISSING the current location
of the following pages, and would greatly appreciate
any correct URLs (Doug's page, for instance, i
simply cannot find with alta vista):

Doug Norris' Goaltending Page
Hockey Goaltender Home Page

can anyone point me to the right location for
these?

            stormwind

            hell's amazon
            lord of the frozen realm


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From: NORRIS Douglas Todd <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: New topic! (was Re: Cut it out)
Date: 10 Sep 1996 11:25:57 -0600 (MDT)


On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Stormwind wrote:

> Dave writes:
> >Come on, guys.  This is not a nationalism list.
>
> so I'll help start a new topic!
>
> i'm in the process of updating my (sadly neglected)
> hockey pages.  i am MISSING the current location
> of the following pages, and would greatly appreciate
> any correct URLs (Doug's page, for instance, i
> simply cannot find with alta vista):
>
> Doug Norris' Goaltending Page
> Hockey Goaltender Home Page

It's at: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html

And, for those of you wondering, I _will_ be updating the pages very very
soon - honest!

Also, if you sent me mail over the summer, my mail filter probably ate it
(reminder to myself: >> appends to the mail file, > starts a new one) -
I didn't even know I had a problem until HotBranch! told me I wasn't
getting some mail...

Talk to you later!

      Douglas Todd Norris ([e-mail]) "The Mad Kobold"
  Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html
"I think there probably should be a rule that if you're talking about how many
    loaves of bread a bullet will go through, it's understood that you mean
lengthwise loaves.  Otherwise, it makes no sense." - Deep Thought, Jack Handey


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From: Dave Steinhart <[e-mail]>
Subject: (un)subscribing
Date: 10 Sep 1996 15:10:54 -0600 (MDT)

It has been brought to my attention that due to all the changes in list
servers, folks on the list are understandably confused as to how to join
or get off the list.

All administrative requests shoule be sent to the following address--

[e-mail]

You need to put the word subscribe (or unsubscribe) in the body of your
email.

Dave


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From: [e-mail] (new user)
Subject: New Goalie Page
Date: 12 Sep 1996 6:59:41 CDT

Hello,

My name is Kyle, I am a 15yr old Bantam travel goalie.

I have just created a Goalie Web Page.

Check it out @
http://iquest.com/~paries/kyle

Thanks
--
Kyle Paries
[e-mail]
Bantam Travel Goalie


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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Selling hockey equipment a vendre (fwd)
Date: 13 Sep 1996 11:50:25 -0400 (EDT)

Found in the mtl.vendre-forsale newsgroup. If you are interested, please
contact the seller directly (by phone). The cost is in Canadian dollars.
Do not reply to the list, me, or the original poster, we are all simply
being helpful. :)

HotBranch!
___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Newgroups: mtl.vendre-forsale

I am posting this for a friend, so please DO NOT e-mail me!
Je poste se message pour un ami, alors SVP ne ME repondez PAS!

Goalie equipment for sale!
- 'Protechion' 32" beige leather goalie pads
- 'Daignault Roland' 8045L chest protector
- 'Cooper' goalie pants (black)
- 'Stri' Super Pro 1000 trapper
- 'CCM' goalie skates (10 1/2)
- 'Ferland' GB-90 blocker

Asking 600$ for everything. Inquire about individual items.
Please call [phone] Ask for Dan!
SVP appelez Dan au [phone].

*** Please call during the evening ***
*** SVP appelez le soir ***



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From: "XCENTRIC" <[e-mail]>
Subject: New Cartoon from Disney.......
Date: 13 Sep 1996 17:11:05 -0500

Has anybody else seen the new cartoon put out by disney, Callled the
"Mighty Ducks"?

It had its local premiere out my direction last friday night, and
then they re-aired it again Saturday.

It wasn't to bad, but i'd like to hear some other comments on it.
'specially from the younger generation, (Or those who are addicted to
cartoons, like myself.  :)     )

I'm looking to see it again this weekend.

Talk again Later!
Roger
xcentric/ Man-Dingo
The greatest homage we can pay to Truth is to use it.
                                    -Ralph Waldo Emerson

He who does not understand your silence,
will probably not understand your words.
                                       -Elbert Hubbard

Weeds are as much a part of Life as cultivated plants;
They are misplaced only according to human conceptions.
                                       -Anon


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From: "Steven Sanyal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: IRC Chat
Date: 13 Sep 1996 23:10:59 -0400

I remember there being some sort of goaltender IRC chat.  I have only
recently figured out IRC, so I was curious if the goaltending discussions
were still going on?


Steve

[e-mail]

Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272


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From: Foundation Comics <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: IRC Chat
Date: 13 Sep 1996 22:37:34 -0500

At 11:10 PM 9/13/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I remember there being some sort of goaltender IRC chat.  I have only
>recently figured out IRC, so I was curious if the goaltending discussions
>were still going on?
>
>
>Steve

well.. I'm usually on off and on.. either as Gardienne or Moog35 (depending
on how evil the net is that day) on efnet email me for some servers if you
have a prob connecting.. but now there're usually webchats.. although..
haven't they been a bit slow recently?  I don't know... I never manage to
get there when they're going on

Cynthia--la gardienne Texanique (who's having to put off hockey for the
"hobby" in the .sig below.. ah well :)  some day!

VISIT THE FOUNDATION COMICS WEBPAGE,
HOME OF SECOND RATE HEROES:
http://www.metronet.com/~gronlund/foundation.html
or write to us at:  * Current solicitation:
Foundation Comics   * Second Rate Heroes #1
P.O. Box 1143       * on Page 224 in the Sept.
Grapevine, Tx 76099 * Diamond PREVIEWS catalogue


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From: Blake Wehlage <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: IRC Chat
Date: 13 Sep 1996 23:43:27 -0400

At 11:10 PM 9/13/96 -0400, Steven Sanyal wrote:
>I remember there being some sort of goaltender IRC chat.  I have only
>recently figured out IRC, so I was curious if the goaltending discussions
>were still going on?
>
>
>Steve

As a self procamed IRC expert and soon to be IRCop, this question was right
up my alley.....

The only goalie chat channel that is usully has a few people on it is on the
undernet...=20

connect to IRC with mIRC, Pirch, or IRCii (or another), then connect to the
following server:

us.undernet.org port 7776

the channel is : #goaltenders

if u have any more questions on IRC just ask me i'll answer them....
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
   Blake Wehlage <[e-mail]>
   =87=B1=BB R=EBV=F0L=FB=86=A1=D8=D1 B=F8+ =A9=D6mP@=F1=A5 =99 =AB=B1=87
 Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: IRC Chat
Date: 14 Sep 1996 07:48:26 -0400

At 11:10 PM 09/13/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I remember there being some sort of goaltender IRC chat.  I have only
>recently figured out IRC, so I was curious if the goaltending discussions
>were still going on?
>
>
>Steve
>
>[e-mail]
>
>Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272
>
>
>

Hi there... the IRC chat would be much better than a web based chat! for the
simple reason it will be a little faster, and all easier to follow... I am
game for IRC chats! since I am on IRC most nights.... I know a little bit
about IRC and the UNDERNET... if anyone has any questions about what they
need to get onto the undernet for a goalie chat... let me know!

There are over 10,000 different channels on some servers... of course there
is a hockey channel, but no goalie channel...but its easy to make one...
just go to JOIN CHANNEL and call it HOCKEYGOALIE and your set... mind you...
some people may be surprised at the topics if they list all the channels...
heck who knows... maybe there is a channel about goalies all ready... but on
the UNDERNET if there is one, its likely something like this
"Highheelsandgoaliemasks" heheh that's a joke for the people familiar with
the UNDERNET!

Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: IRC Chat
Date: 14 Sep 1996 07:53:26 -0400

At 11:43 PM 09/13/96 -0400, you wrote:
>At 11:10 PM 9/13/96 -0400, Steven Sanyal wrote:
>>I remember there being some sort of goaltender IRC chat.  I have only
>>recently figured out IRC, so I was curious if the goaltending discussions
>>were still going on?
>>
>>
>>Steve
>
>As a self procamed IRC expert and soon to be IRCop, this question was right
>up my alley.....
>
>The only goalie chat channel that is usully has a few people on it is on=
 the
>undernet...=20
>
>connect to IRC with mIRC, Pirch, or IRCii (or another), then connect to the
>following server:
>
>us.undernet.org port 7776
>
>the channel is : #goaltenders
>
>if u have any more questions on IRC just ask me i'll answer them....
>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>   Blake Wehlage <[e-mail]>
>   =87=B1=BB R=EBV=F0L=FB=86=A1=D8=D1 B=F8+ =A9=D6mP@=F1=A5 =99 =AB=B1=87
> Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk
>
>
>

Hey Blake, here is another server that usually only has 80 people or so
online at once, and its fast!! no lag or anything, its found at:

hilo.hi.us.galaxynet.org port 6660 - 6669(I think)=20

If we wanted to schedule group chats on IRC this is the place to do it, as
there never is a problem connecting, and no delays!

Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: John Ordonez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third jersey for blueshits
Date: 14 Sep 1996 18:14:14 +0000




>>From today's NY Times:
>
>Rangers Donning Lady Liberty
>
>       Like many National Hockey League teams, the Rangers will wear a
third jersey
>       this season for a handful of games. The sweaters are partly a
marketing concept, >       a novelty item for the sports apparel
>       stores.
>
>       Although they haven't officially unveiled the shirts, those who have
seen them  >       say they have a new logo on the front featuring the face
of the Statue of
>       Liberty.
>


How much of this logo do you think had to do with the Statue of Liberty
painted on Richters' [Ed Cumberly manufacuted] mask?  I say the mask
presented much of the influence.


John Ordonez


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: World Cup
Date: 14 Sep 1996 23:32:01 -0400

MIKE RICHTER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!


Mike Hollis
Groton, CT


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From: [e-mail] (Jussi Niemi)
Subject: More about World Cup
Date: 15 Sep 1996 17:57:32 -0100

MIKE RICHTER FOR KING!!!!!!!!!!!

Ps. was Jim Carey part of the W Cup team? I heard that he was among the
scratched players who did not play (at least not regularly)


JOHN NIEMI #78
JOSBA (JOensuun SaliBAndy=Joensuu Floorball)
Joensuu, Finland
Jussi Niemi
General Linguistics
University of Joensuu
P.O. Box 111
FIN 80101 Joensuu
Finland
tel. [phone] (office), 228 723 (home)
fax [phone]


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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Baseball "catches" up...
Date: 15 Sep 1996 16:21:34 -0400 (EDT)

I thought you might like to read this little news item from TSN's web site
(www.tsn.ca). I read somewhere at the beginning of the baseball season
that a MLB catcher had developed a new mask that resembled a goalie mask.
The problem was MLB's rules committee had a bug up their butt about safety
and such. It was finally approved on Thursday for use on Friday night. The
custom-painted version apparantly also has O'Brien's signature saying
"Catch ya later!".

I scanned the newspaper picture of the mask on O'Brien's head if anyone is
interested. I will send it to people who request it; the file will be a
MIME-encoded attachment. If you don't know how to deal with this, please
don't ask me; I'm just as clueless. I just do what my mail program says
and I don't question what it does to my files.

HotBranch!
___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*


---------- Forwarded message ----------

    Title: O'Brien ushers in new era

    Blue Jays catcher Charlie O'Brien ushered in a new
    era in baseball equipment Friday night with the debut of his
    goalie-style catcher's mask.

    ''Finally I get a chance to wear it,'' said O'Brien prior to the
    Toronto Blue Jays-New York Yankees game. It's been with them (the
    rules committee) for a while.''

    The saga of the mask, drawn out over the summer, hit one more
    snag in his bid to have it approved: Baseball's rules committee
    wouldn't approve the personalized artwork O'Brien wanted, so O'Brien
    ended up with mostly blue mask with a Blue Jays logo on it.

    ''I'm glad I just get to wear it,'' said O'Brien, who'll keep the
    other mask  with a fierce looking Blue Jay painted on it  as a
    backup. ''I'll only get to wear it if something happens to the
    other.''

    The committee gave O'Brien permission Thursday to wear the mask
    a one-piece mask instead of helmet and mask usually worn by
    catchers.

    O'Brien can wear it for the rest of the season while baseball
    will also look into developing a lighter model.

    ''I like it,'' said Blue Jays manager Cito Gaston. ''It's very
    colorful. At least it was.''


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From: ADAM FORSYTH <[e-mail]>
Subject: We are the champions my friends!
Date: 16 Sep 1996 15:16:47 +1000

Hi All,

Last night we won our inline (roller) hockey grand final :)  We won 4-3.  I
conceded a goal 30 seconds in to the game, but after that played pretty well,
all things considered.  I did make one of the best saves of my life straight
after conceding the goal, so I guess that evened things up.

For the season, I went 14-0-2, with a save percentage of .894, and a GAA of
2.64  I also topped the goaltending stats :)

Anyway, enough revelling :)  I have a favor to ask.  I am DESPERATE to get some
of the world cup games on video.  Even though we now have cable in Australia,
none of the cable providers carried any of the games.  I will pay for the cost
of tapes and postage, so all it would cost someone is their time and effort.  I
can play NTSC format tapes on my VCR, so this isn't a problem.  Please e-mail
me privately at [e-mail]

Oh yeah, one last thing.  I overheard some of the spectators at the game
(mainly guys from the teams that didn't make the final) complaining that I was
"too damn big in the net".  Now, I am 5'9" and 170 pounds, but in my Battram
pads and body armour, I apparently look 6'6" and 300 pounds :)  Once again,
thanks Scott!

See ya

Adam


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: We are the champions my friends!
Date: 16 Sep 1996 08:19:52 -0400

At 03:16 PM 09/16/96 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>Last night we won our inline (roller) hockey grand final :)  We won 4-3.  I
>conceded a goal 30 seconds in to the game, but after that played pretty well,
>all things considered.  I did make one of the best saves of my life straight
>after conceding the goal, so I guess that evened things up.
>
>For the season, I went 14-0-2, with a save percentage of .894, and a GAA of
>2.64  I also topped the goaltending stats :)
>
>Anyway, enough revelling :)  I have a favor to ask.  I am DESPERATE to get some
>of the world cup games on video.  Even though we now have cable in Australia,
>none of the cable providers carried any of the games.  I will pay for the cost
>of tapes and postage, so all it would cost someone is their time and effort.  I
>can play NTSC format tapes on my VCR, so this isn't a problem.  Please e-mail
>me privately at [e-mail]
>
>Oh yeah, one last thing.  I overheard some of the spectators at the game
>(mainly guys from the teams that didn't make the final) complaining that I was
>"too damn big in the net".  Now, I am 5'9" and 170 pounds, but in my Battram
>pads and body armour, I apparently look 6'6" and 300 pounds :)  Once again,
>thanks Scott!
>
Heheheh thats good..... I guess its all that Canadian new equipment... we
dont have that problem here... since all the goalies look huge with the new
equipment...(the guys using stuff that is 10 years old look like
beanpoles...I saw a game yesterday morning, in one net, was a goalie with
all new BATTRAM gear on, and in the other was an older guy, using old Cooper
stuff... must have been about 15 years old... and wow... is there ever alot
of net to shoot on... I cant believe people actually play using that old
body armour...because, it looked just like he had a shirt on and no pads...
ouch!! I am glad I only had to wear those felt and plastic things when I was
6 or 7, then thanks to John Brown, we were introduced to the new one piece
pad!) but anytime you can get away with stuff that covers more area, go for it!
>See ya
>
>Adam
>
>
>
Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: HELP!!!
Date: 16 Sep 1996 23:02:43 +1000

Heheheheh, some may recall me at the start of the year slightly chuffed at
not getting much ice time in games. Well this situation has been reversed. I
am now "playing" in 3 teams for the finals altho im benching it for 2.
I'm on the bench mostly for my own midget team, and the superleague
(Australian NHL  :)) and apparently I'm playing in Senior A but I'm not
sure. This means I've got 4 training sessions a week now!!  Not much time
for too much else.
BTW last night i played Senior A. 5 players turned up apart from me so there
were no subs. We won 6-3 against a team with a full compliment of players!!!

SEEYA!!!  Paul.

[[[           ]]]
[[[-@@-----@@-]]]
[[[ #  o^o  # ]]]
    (#) U (#)     "I'm not black or white or rich or poor or stupid
     (#####)       or smart.  I'm me.  And I'm the best and only me
      (###)        there is and ever will be."
      #####
     ##   ##                     -March from "The Maze Garden Mystery"
    ###   ###

[e-mail]


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From: "Michael Robinson (BIO)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Third jersey for blueshits
Date: 16 Sep 1996 08:57:17 -0400 (EDT)

On Sat, 14 Sep 1996, John Ordonez wrote:
> >Rangers Donning Lady Liberty
...
> >       Although they haven't officially unveiled the shirts, those who have
> seen them  >       say they have a new logo on the front featuring the face
> of the Statue of
> >       Liberty.
>
> How much of this logo do you think had to do with the Statue of Liberty
> painted on Richters' [Ed Cumberly manufacuted] mask?  I say the mask
> presented much of the influence.
>
>
> John Ordonez
>

I have a suspicion that it's just another New York team trying to jump
ship to New Jersey (e.g. Giants, Jets) :-).  As most of you Jersey kids
know, the Statue of Liberty is in New Jersey!
    YO!
        Mike
____________________________________________________________________________

Michael P. Robinson
Department of Biology - LIF 136
University of South Florida
4202 E Fowler Ave
Tampa, FL 33612
813-974-2878; fax [phone]
[e-mail]

Korn, Bier, Schnaps und Wein
und wir hoeren unsere Leber schrein.
____________________________________________________________________________



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From: "Matt Malicki" <[e-mail]>
Subject: The lighter side of the equipment wars
Date: 16 Sep 1996 13:33:11 +0000

Howdy:

As you all know, this list has a lot of discussion on what equipment
is good, bad, etc.  To help you all, I've come up with the...

TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT

10:  Warning sticker says "not for use in hockey."
9:  Their ad campaign uses the slogan "save money, not pucks".
8:  Thier "Sticks" still have leaves attached
7:  Syntechic leather is really gravy skin
6:  The leg pads contain an inflation nozzle
5:  Come with a flyer for life insurance
4:  "cup" is really 3oz dixie cup.
3:  You read the label, and it says "Eddy"
  (NOTE:  THIS IS A JOKE, FOR GOD'S SAKE.)
2:  You ask for red pads, so you get white pads and a packet of cherry Kool-Aid.
1:  The guy who builds them wears someone else's pads


Later,

Matt Malicki
********NEW MAIN EMAIL:  [e-mail]*********
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Visit my web page, it's good for what ails ya':
    http://www.tir.com/~malickim
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"Madness takes its toll.  Please have exact change"
"We've done so much with so little for so long, we can now do anything with
    nothing."
"I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked me at once."
"Goaltending is 90% mental, and the other 10% is in your head."
"Shouldn't the psychic friends be the ones to call you?"


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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: The lighter side of the equipment wars
Date: 16 Sep 1996 13:35:36 -0400 (EDT)

On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Matt Malicki wrote:

> TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT

Also: Corporate sponsor is the Marquis de Sade...

;)
___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*



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From: Scott Swartzell <[e-mail]>
Subject: bad equipment...
Date: 16 Sep 1996 11:48:31 MDT


On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Matt Malicki wrote:

> TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT

If the first time you proudly wear your new equipment,
buzzards begin to roost on top of your net....

Scott
--
Scott Swartzell     CTSC    590-2152

A bad place to store your emergency backup diskette
is on the underside of your desk drawer, secured
by a large magnet. - DNRC


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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: bad equipment...
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:02:22 -0400 (EDT)


> TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT

Marketing pamphlets explain the latest *remedial* design methods used...

HotBranch!
___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*



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From: Scott Swartzell <[e-mail]>
Subject: more bad equipment
Date: 16 Sep 1996 12:21:17 MDT


> TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT

each piece of equipment comes with a list of
recommended orthopedic surgeons....
--
Scott Swartzell     CTSC    590-2152

A bad place to store your emergency backup diskette
is on the underside of your desk drawer, secured
by a large magnet. - DNRC


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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: More humor
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:30:15 -0400 (EDT)

This is in NO WAY intended to start a chest thumping war, so don't even
try--this is meant as humor!

One of the local Montreal radio stations has this comedy bit they do each
weekday afternoon called "Victor". Victor is the arrogant and evil
alter-ego of the afternoon DJ, who calls in and discusses local happenings
in Montreal then hangs up angrily telling the DJ not to call him again
(when it's Victor who calls in).

Today, the DJ asked Victor if he had been to the hockey game and Victor
responded by saying "Yes, I was at the hockey game. The American goalie
was standing on his head through the game." DJ responds with "I hear that
Richter played a really good game." To which Victor responds "Well... they
should have named him sphincter because he played like he had a horseshoe
up his butt! Now don't call again!"

HotBranch!
___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*



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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: more bad equipment
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:38:30 -0400 (EDT)


> TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT

You recall seeing the brand name in several of those "Sports Greatest
Injuries" videos.

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*



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From: goalieootttaA <[e-mail]>
Subject: 10 top ways
Date: 16 Sep 1996 11:48:30 -0700 (PDT)

girls like the pink accents on your gear
Lisa
(who likes pink better than the current GAA)


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From: Scott Swartzell <[e-mail]>
Subject: more bad equipment
Date: 16 Sep 1996 12:51:11 MDT


> TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT

The manufacturer uses a mannequin to test new gear,
and the mannequin keeps getting broken...
--
Scott Swartzell     CTSC    590-2152

A bad place to store your emergency backup diskette
is on the underside of your desk drawer, secured
by a large magnet. - DNRC


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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: more bad equipment
Date: 16 Sep 1996 14:58:41 -0400 (EDT)


> TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT

As you arrive for your custom fitting, you see Mike Wallace leaving with
the company president crying and pleading with Mike to not go public with
the story...

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*



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From: Scott Swartzell <[e-mail]>
Subject: more bad equipment
Date: 16 Sep 1996 13:11:49 MDT


> TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT

The equipment comes with a tag that says
'Use of this equipment may void your health
insurance policy.'
--
Scott Swartzell     CTSC    590-2152

A bad place to store your emergency backup diskette
is on the underside of your desk drawer, secured
by a large magnet. - DNRC


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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: more bad equipment
Date: 16 Sep 1996 15:15:17 -0400 (EDT)


> TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT

Dan Quayle spells the company name correctly...

___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Branchaud ([e-mail])   |   Suzie: "When life gives you a lemon,
Visual Edge Software, Ltd.        |           make lemonade."
3950 Cote Vertu, Suite 100        |   Calvin: "I say, when life gives you a
St-Laurent, Quebec H4R 1V4        |           lemon, wing it right back and
[phone], ext 235              |           add some lemons of your own."
*The above opinions are rarely shared by sentient beings, my boss included*



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From: "Don Otvos NamS-SJ" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: more bad equipment
Date: 16 Sep 1996 13:13:00 -0700


> TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT

Tag says "Made in USA" (just kidding!)

****************************************************************************
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Inside Sales - Great Lakes Region    |   2310 N First St
408-952-9354                         |   San Jose, CA  95131
408-955-0966 (FAX)                   |   Worry is misuse of the imagination.


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From: Blake Wehlage <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: more bad equipment
Date: 16 Sep 1996 20:33:30 -0400

>> TOP TEN WAYS TO TELL YOU BOUGHT BAD EQUIPMENT
*****************************************************************
The tag says:
"This May be Used In Ice Hokey"

******************************************************************

A puck hits the pad & the pad screams....

******************************************************************

You bought it though the home shopping network
(please take NO offense)

******************************************************************
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
   Blake Wehlage <[e-mail]>
   =87=B1=BB R=EBV=F0L=FB=86=A1=D8=D1 B=F8+ =A9=D6mP@=F1=A5 =99 =AB=B1=87
 Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk


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From: [e-mail] (Constance Marie Adams)
Subject: More bad equipment
Date: 17 Sep 1996 16:11:04 -0700


The mask you just bought is also used by a baseball catcher.  :)

                            Steve


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From: [e-mail] (Constance Marie Adams)
Subject: More bad equipment
Date: 17 Sep 1996 16:12:08 -0700


The box your new pads come in clearly states "Assembly required"

                            Steve



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From: NORRIS Douglas Todd <[e-mail]>
Subject: YABPR: Yet another Battram Pad Review
Date: 17 Sep 1996 17:31:39 -0600 (MDT)


Well, it's been a few weeks now, so I'm ready to review.  To sum it up,
the blocker I bought is so good that I ordered leg pads from Scott
recently.

I purchased the BPGB 3500 Goal Blocker, and I must say it's great - so
much better than the Cooper I was renting from the Rec Center.  The palm
is especially nice; it's thick but you can still get a good feel of the
stick in your hand.  Other than that, it's a blocker - it does what it's
supposed to do (blocks :-) and it does it well.  I noticed that people at
drop-in used to aim at my trapper side until I got a Battram; then they
started aiming at the blocker side - now they're aiming at my legs :-)
Fortunately I'm very quick with the legs, but I'm wondering where people
will shoot once the leg pads get here - probably my head :-(  Oh well.

To summarize, I give the BPGB 3500 4 1/2 stars out of five.

Doug

      Douglas Todd Norris ([e-mail]) "The Mad Kobold"
  Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html
 "One thing about my Aunt Nadie.  She was gruff on the outside, but if you ever
     needed anything, like a spanking or a scolding, she'd give it to you."
                             - Deep Thought, Jack Handey



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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: More bad equipment
Date: 17 Sep 1996 21:57:58 -0400

At 04:12 PM 09/17/96 -0700, you wrote:
>
>The box your new pads come in clearly states "Assembly required"
>
>                            Steve
>
>
>
>

I have often thought about boxing up all the 200+ parts found in leg pads
and doing that for a good prank! but... I dont think it would go over well
with someone who has shelled out 1000.00 or so! hahah but it would be cool
to see the look on their face when they open the box and find all the parts!

Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: More bad equipment
Date: 17 Sep 1996 20:43:13 -0800

>I have often thought about boxing up all the 200+ parts found in leg pads
>and doing that for a good prank! but... I dont think it would go over well
>with someone who has shelled out 1000.00 or so! hahah but it would be cool
>to see the look on their face when they open the box and find all the parts!

Hehehe...that would be priceless...especially when they got to the spool of
thread :)

                                                Steve



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Skate Sharpening (Again)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:08:30 -0400



I know we have discussed this in the past, but I had some questions that I
thought I would put out to the group:

1. Rockering:
Ok, we all know that goalie skates should not be rockered like a forwards
skate.  My skates are flat when you look at them but when you lay them on a
flat surface you can see they are not 100% flat.  There is the slightest
rocker (mm's).  I notice this however when I skate as the skate tends to
pivot.  Is this normal, or when lying on a flat surface, should the skate be
absolutely flat (with the exception of the little turn-ups at the end).

2. Sharpness:  I prefer a sharper skate.  I just feel more balanced and set
when my skates are sharp.  Currently the guys at the skate shop are using a
1/2" hollow.  They tell me this is abnormal and that the majority of NHL
goalie skates are duller (shallower hollow).  Is this true?  Am I at the
sharpest I can realistically go?

What are your thoughts?


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From: "Steven Sanyal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Skate Sharpening (Again)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:18:49 -0400

I've been fiddling with this a lot lately.  Just Hockey has been cutting my
skates to what they refer to as an "E" grind.  I have found though, that I
cannot dig into the ice when I have them sharpened at first.  I usually
like my skates best when they are about 2 or 3 games worked in.  Perhaps
it's because I am new to skating, it might be better to stick with duller
skates until my footwork gets better, because I have done horribly when my
skates are freshly sharpened.

Steve

----------
> From: [e-mail]
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Skate Sharpening (Again)
> Date: Wednesday, September 18, 1996 5:08 PM
>
>
>
> I know we have discussed this in the past, but I had some questions that
I
> thought I would put out to the group:
>
> 1. Rockering:
> Ok, we all know that goalie skates should not be rockered like a forwards
> skate.  My skates are flat when you look at them but when you lay them on
a
> flat surface you can see they are not 100% flat.  There is the slightest
> rocker (mm's).  I notice this however when I skate as the skate tends to
> pivot.  Is this normal, or when lying on a flat surface, should the skate
be
> absolutely flat (with the exception of the little turn-ups at the end).
>
> 2. Sharpness:  I prefer a sharper skate.  I just feel more balanced and
set
> when my skates are sharp.  Currently the guys at the skate shop are using
a
> 1/2" hollow.  They tell me this is abnormal and that the majority of NHL
> goalie skates are duller (shallower hollow).  Is this true?  Am I at the
> sharpest I can realistically go?
>
> What are your thoughts?


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Skate Sharpening (Again)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:28:33 -0400

At 05:08 PM 09/18/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>I know we have discussed this in the past, but I had some questions that I
>thought I would put out to the group:
>
>1. Rockering:
>Ok, we all know that goalie skates should not be rockered like a forwards
>skate.  My skates are flat when you look at them but when you lay them on a
>flat surface you can see they are not 100% flat.  There is the slightest
>rocker (mm's).  I notice this however when I skate as the skate tends to
>pivot.  Is this normal, or when lying on a flat surface, should the skate be
>absolutely flat (with the exception of the little turn-ups at the end).
>
If the guy knows what he is doing, you should be able to balance your skate
(so the skate sits up unassisted on just the blade) this means the blade has
been done so that there is no angle on the blade, and the hollow is in the
dead center. A guy in Woodstock has a contouring machine, and he does my
skates, and I havent had a better sharpening ever... the last job he did, he
gave me a 1" hollow that felt like a 3/4" hollow due to the fact the skate
was balanced, and I have around 9" of blade on the ice at all times, it
allowed for me to get 46 hours on the skates before they needed to be
re-sharpend, plus he can drop the toe of the skate to set a goaltenders
knees forward... this helps with balance a great deal!


>2. Sharpness:  I prefer a sharper skate.  I just feel more balanced and set
>when my skates are sharp.  Currently the guys at the skate shop are using a
>1/2" hollow.  They tell me this is abnormal and that the majority of NHL
>goalie skates are duller (shallower hollow).  Is this true?  Am I at the
>sharpest I can realistically go?
>

Most of the guys in the pros are using sharp goal skates, probably a 3/4 -
1" hollow, gone are the days of having the goalie sharpen his skates at the
beggining of the year and then not getting them done for the remainder of
the season, the goalie in todays game is more mobile, than in years past...
I dont know how anyone could play on dull skates, as you simply do not have
any balance!

I have to go see Ken tonight to get my skates tuned up.... I think I will
try a 3/4" and see what thats like done by an expert! I always used to get
3/4" done by the local sports shop... and I thought it was great untill Ken
got his equipment... its much more precise!

>What are your thoughts?
>
>
>
Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Skate Sharpening (Again)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 14:34:19 -0800

>1. Rockering:
>Ok, we all know that goalie skates should not be rockered like a forwards
>skate.  My skates are flat when you look at them but when you lay them on a
>flat surface you can see they are not 100% flat.  There is the slightest
>rocker (mm's).  I notice this however when I skate as the skate tends to
>pivot.  Is this normal, or when lying on a flat surface, should the skate be
>absolutely flat (with the exception of the little turn-ups at the end).

Well, I like mine to be completely flat, so as to avoid the pivoting that
you mentioned.  However, after awhile, the blade will start to gain a rocker
by itself, so I try to get them radiused once in awhile.

>2. Sharpness:  I prefer a sharper skate.  I just feel more balanced and set
>when my skates are sharp.  Currently the guys at the skate shop are using a
>1/2" hollow.  They tell me this is abnormal and that the majority of NHL
>goalie skates are duller (shallower hollow).  Is this true?  Am I at the
>sharpest I can realistically go?

Like Patrick Roy said when asked what made him such a good goalie "I keep
my skates sharp".  What style do you play?  Standup or butterfly?  I play
a butterfly style, and I try to get a 3/4" hollow.  But that's my personal
preference.

                                                        Steve



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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Skate Sharpening (Again)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:32:46 -0400

At 05:18 PM 09/18/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I've been fiddling with this a lot lately.  Just Hockey has been cutting my
>skates to what they refer to as an "E" grind.  I have found though, that I
>cannot dig into the ice when I have them sharpened at first.  I usually
>like my skates best when they are about 2 or 3 games worked in.  Perhaps
>it's because I am new to skating, it might be better to stick with duller
>skates until my footwork gets better, because I have done horribly when my
>skates are freshly sharpened.
>
>Steve
>

Here is a tip I got from Kenny.... rather than trying to dull your skate on
a block of wood (doesnt do much as your cutting into the wood) use a piece
of steel wool, and rub that over the blade, as this takes some of the "bite
out of the blade" and another tip... usually a guy running the machine takes
the stone to the blade after he makes his last pass, this actually takes the
burrs of the skate, along with some of the edge, Ken does this on his second
to last pass, as the final pass puts an awsome burr-free edge on the blade!


>----------
>> From: [e-mail]
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Skate Sharpening (Again)
>> Date: Wednesday, September 18, 1996 5:08 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> I know we have discussed this in the past, but I had some questions that
>I
>> thought I would put out to the group:
>>
>> 1. Rockering:
>> Ok, we all know that goalie skates should not be rockered like a forwards
>> skate.  My skates are flat when you look at them but when you lay them on
>a
>> flat surface you can see they are not 100% flat.  There is the slightest
>> rocker (mm's).  I notice this however when I skate as the skate tends to
>> pivot.  Is this normal, or when lying on a flat surface, should the skate
>be
>> absolutely flat (with the exception of the little turn-ups at the end).
>>
>> 2. Sharpness:  I prefer a sharper skate.  I just feel more balanced and
>set
>> when my skates are sharp.  Currently the guys at the skate shop are using
>a
>> 1/2" hollow.  They tell me this is abnormal and that the majority of NHL
>> goalie skates are duller (shallower hollow).  Is this true?  Am I at the
>> sharpest I can realistically go?
>>
>> What are your thoughts?
>
>
>
Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: goalieootttaA <[e-mail]>
Subject: skate sharpening
Date: 18 Sep 1996 14:55:51 -0700 (PDT)

You also have to take into account your weight and mobility. My dad does
mine
as he is a hobby machinist (good rates...) and they are dead flat with
only a predilection of
mine to have the inside a bit higher for the push offs on t-slides (I
balance on the inside edges). I get
mine sharpened every game (130 lbs) but I know a lot of heavier goalies
and goalies who are really good skaters that get only a few sharpenings a
year because they are either just more mobile or cut further into the
ice. As far as rockering goes, I have none because the less blade you
have on the ice the more it will affect your stance/balance in a bad way.
Advice
from a former figure skater...:)...the difference in rockering front to back
and sideways slant can really throw your balance off. Also I learned the
hard way not to let the blades get too worn down as it seems that a proper
rocker or even sharpening gets really hard to achieve.
Lisa


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From: Mark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: skate sharpening
Date: 18 Sep 1996 17:54:24 -0500 (CDT)



On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, goalieootttaA wrote:

> You also have to take into account your weight and mobility. My dad does
> mine
> as he is a hobby machinist (good rates...) and they are dead flat with
> only a predilection of
> mine to have the inside a bit higher for the push offs on t-slides (I
> balance on the inside edges). I get
> mine sharpened every game (130 lbs) but I know a lot of heavier goalies
> and goalies who are really good skaters that get only a few sharpenings a
> year because they are either just more mobile or cut further into the
> ice.

I know after my first game this summer, someone looked at my blades
and was wondering why I hadn't sharpened myskates.  I had the day before.
I'm a larger goalie and do find I have to get my skates sharpened every
couple of uses or they go totally dull.

Mark


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From: "Steven Sanyal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Skate Sharpening (Again)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 21:00:16 -0400

> Here is a tip I got from Kenny.... rather than trying to dull your skate
on
> a block of wood (doesnt do much as your cutting into the wood) use a
piece
> of steel wool, and rub that over the blade, as this takes some of the
"bite
> out of the blade" and another tip... usually a guy running the machine
takes
> the stone to the blade after he makes his last pass, this actually takes
the
> burrs of the skate, along with some of the edge, Ken does this on his
second
> to last pass, as the final pass puts an awsome burr-free edge on the
blade!

Okay, now I am a bit confused.  I figure that a couple of skates gets the
blade worked in as much as using steel wool, right?  My confusion is just
in interpreting what you mean by playing with sharp skates.  Are sharp
skates ones that are right off the sharpener, or those that have been
dulled down a bit after the sharpener is done?  Is it normal protocol to
dull your skates a bit before using them?


Steve

[e-mail]

Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272


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From: "Matt Malicki" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Rule book on-line
Date: 18 Sep 1996 21:32:23 +0000

Howdy:

    I seem to remember that there is an on-line rule book somewhere....I
just got hired as a ref, so I fiugred I'd take a look.  If anyone
has the URL, I'd be grateful.

Later,

Matt Malicki
********NEW MAIN EMAIL:  [e-mail]*********
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    nothing."
"I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked me at once."
"Goaltending is 90% mental, and the other 10% is in your head."
"Shouldn't the psychic friends be the ones to call you?"


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: skate sharpening
Date: 18 Sep 1996 23:04:42 -0400

At 05:54 PM 09/18/96 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, goalieootttaA wrote:
>
>> You also have to take into account your weight and mobility. My dad does
>> mine
>> as he is a hobby machinist (good rates...) and they are dead flat with
>> only a predilection of
>> mine to have the inside a bit higher for the push offs on t-slides (I
>> balance on the inside edges). I get
>> mine sharpened every game (130 lbs) but I know a lot of heavier goalies
>> and goalies who are really good skaters that get only a few sharpenings a
>> year because they are either just more mobile or cut further into the
>> ice.
>
>I know after my first game this summer, someone looked at my blades
>and was wondering why I hadn't sharpened myskates.  I had the day before.
>I'm a larger goalie and do find I have to get my skates sharpened every
>couple of uses or they go totally dull.
>
>Mark
>
>
>

Chances are you dont have enough blade in contact with the ice if this is
happening... I was on my skates for 46 hours one week doing a hockey school,
and they were still sharp, and I check in at 210 lbs.... (six foot one) so I
guess I am a big goalie too heheh

Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Skate Sharpening (Again)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 23:12:48 -0400

At 09:00 PM 09/18/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> Here is a tip I got from Kenny.... rather than trying to dull your skate
>on
>> a block of wood (doesnt do much as your cutting into the wood) use a
>piece
>> of steel wool, and rub that over the blade, as this takes some of the
>"bite
>> out of the blade" and another tip... usually a guy running the machine
>takes
>> the stone to the blade after he makes his last pass, this actually takes
>the
>> burrs of the skate, along with some of the edge, Ken does this on his
>second
>> to last pass, as the final pass puts an awsome burr-free edge on the
>blade!
>
>Okay, now I am a bit confused.  I figure that a couple of skates gets the
>blade worked in as much as using steel wool, right?  My confusion is just
>in interpreting what you mean by playing with sharp skates.  Are sharp
>skates ones that are right off the sharpener, or those that have been
>dulled down a bit after the sharpener is done?  Is it normal protocol to
>dull your skates a bit before using them?
>
>
Depends on what you like Steve, some goalie can play on really sharp
skates... some like them like you do (after a couple of uses) when i was
playing Junior, I would always get them sharpened before a practice, then
use them for the practice then have a game... then sharpen them after the
game, for the next practice... I always like to get one practice in on
freshly sharpened skates, I would never want to use fresh sharpened skates
right off the bat in a game, unless I had a guy like Ken who knows what he
is doing each time... this way by using them in a practice not only do you
wear some edge off, but you can also tell if your comfortable with the
skate... Nothing worse then having a screwed up skate for a game... it
throws your confidence off....

and yes, the steel wool would be much like using the skates in a practice...
Ken uses a piece of puddy that has diamond shavings (comes from Germany)
embedded into it to dull the skate as soon as he makes his last pass, this
is a technique he learned from the guy who does many top figure skaters
skates... it just takes the "bite" out of the edge...


>Steve
>
>[e-mail]
>
>Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272
>
>
Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
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From: "Steven Sanyal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Skate Sharpening (Again)
Date: 18 Sep 1996 23:35:30 -0400

Too bad Kenny lives in Woodstock (or so I would gather), or else I would
pay a visit to him.  Do you know anyone in downtown Toronto, or Mississauga
that is good with skates?  I really don't like Just Hockey very much, I
actually prefer a place called CWS Sports near my house in Mississauga.
Unfortunately, I am downtown during the school year, and driving to
Mississauga just to get my skates sharpened is not always something I am up
for.

When you say the "bite" out of the edge, what exactly are you referring to?
 I find that with newly sharpened skates (esp. from Just Hockey), I can't
seem to really dig myself into the ice.  When I first get on the ice and
try to stride the skates slide like crazy instead of gripping the ice, and
I find it difficult to gain balance. With this trouble, I often find it
difficult to really sink into my stance, because I have no feel for the
ice.

I have found that sitting in my crease, and just working in the edges side
to side helps me in this regard, and I get better feel for the ice.  Maybe
a heavier goalie has an easier time sinking into the ice, as I am only 5'5"
and 125 lbs!


Steve

[e-mail]

Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272


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From: goalieootttaA <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Skate Sharpening (Again)
Date: 19 Sep 1996 15:42:10 -0700 (PDT)

I've had sharpenings like that before my in-house machinist built a
sharpener and does mine every game or practise.   I found before this
that if I was sliding on my skates it
usually meant that one side was sharpened higher than the other or the
cut was too shallow.   Some goalies get this (I think it's called
contouring, there are probably goalies on here who know a lot more than I
do about that I'm sure, Scotty , you must know about this stuff) done on
purpose related their stance but I prefer a straight flat deep cut
and I stand on my inside edges for better balance. I've also been told by
the resident 'expert' :) that if somebody takes a whole lot of passes to
do your blades they are just wearing them down and probably don't know
exactly how to do a great sharpening. I think mine are done in 2-3
passes, a bit of stone to smooth the ruffles out of the edges, and I have
cut myself on them after just a 2 pass sharpening (always looks cool to
cut yourself on your gear). Our weights are
close and you probably have similar requirements. I play almost
exclusively stand up and angles and so I need the sharp skate to get
around quickly.



On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Steven Sanyal
wrote:

> Too bad Kenny lives in Woodstock (or so I would gather), or else I would
> pay a visit to him.  Do you know anyone in downtown Toronto, or Mississauga
> that is good with skates?  I really don't like Just Hockey very much, I
> actually prefer a place called CWS Sports near my house in Mississauga.
> Unfortunately, I am downtown during the school year, and driving to
> Mississauga just to get my skates sharpened is not always something I am up
> for.
>
> When you say the "bite" out of the edge, what exactly are you referring to?
>  I find that with newly sharpened skates (esp. from Just Hockey), I can't
> seem to really dig myself into the ice.  When I first get on the ice and
> try to stride the skates slide like crazy instead of gripping the ice, and
> I find it difficult to gain balance. With this trouble, I often find it
> difficult to really sink into my stance, because I have no feel for the
> ice.
>
> I have found that sitting in my crease, and just working in the edges side
> to side helps me in this regard, and I get better feel for the ice.  Maybe
> a heavier goalie has an easier time sinking into the ice, as I am only 5'5"
> and 125 lbs!
>
>
> Steve
>
> [e-mail]
>
> Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272
>
>


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From: Mark <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: skate sharpening
Date: 19 Sep 1996 18:21:11 -0500 (CDT)



On Wed, 18 Sep 1996, Scott Battram wrote:

> At 05:54 PM 09/18/96 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >I know after my first game this summer, someone looked at my blades
> >and was wondering why I hadn't sharpened myskates.  I had the day before.
> >I'm a larger goalie and do find I have to get my skates sharpened every
> >couple of uses or they go totally dull.
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >
>
> Chances are you dont have enough blade in contact with the ice if this is
> happening... I was on my skates for 46 hours one week doing a hockey school,
> and they were still sharp, and I check in at 210 lbs.... (six foot one) so I
> guess I am a big goalie too heheh

How do I remedy this?  buy bigger skates? :)  I do know I wear small
skates for someone my height/weight, if that makes any difference..  BTW,
I have you beat by 6" and about 100lbs :)

Mark


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From: Randy Johnston <[e-mail]>
Subject: Hard Palm Leather
Date: 22 Sep 1996 15:51:01 -0700

    Hi Gang:

    I have a question to ask about the leather palms on gloves, =
particularly on blockers. Mine get to be as hard as a dogs chew toy =
after they have dried.
=20
    I'm wondering if others have this problem and if you do what do you do =
about it? Can you wash the leather with water? I do tend to sweat a lot =
and I even find "salt" dried on my equipment after a hard game.

    To Listserve: I have sent a few e-mails that didn"t make it to the =
list. Whats up?


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Hard Palm Leather
Date: 23 Sep 1996 08:47:34 -0400

At 03:51 PM 09/22/96 -0700, you wrote:
>    Hi Gang:
>
>    I have a question to ask about the leather palms on gloves, particularly
on blockers. Mine get to be as hard as a dogs chew toy after they have dried.
>
>    I'm wondering if others have this problem and if you do what do you do
about it? Can you wash the leather with water? I do tend to sweat a lot and
I even find "salt" dried on my equipment after a hard game.
>
>    To Listserve: I have sent a few e-mails that didn"t make it to the list.
Whats up?
>
>
>

There isnt much that can be done about this, if its a natural leather, all
leather will harden after being wet, by continually adding water to the palm
to loosen it up, your actually causing the glove to wear more rapidly.

The real solution to this is to use synthetics in the palms, we are now
using a material called BS-2100 for palms in catchers and blockers this is a
gold coloured SKATE LINER from the CLARINO line of products, it is durable,
and doesnt get the hard feel to it as soon as it dries out... another palm
we use is CHAMOIS, this is a super soft synthetic thats like a suede
leather, and it to doesnt harden with use... Its actually nothing to do with
the salt, but just the fact the when leather gets wet, it expands and
softens, when it dries, it contracts and becomes tighter, the salt may break
the leather down quicker, but thats not the cause for it getting hard... the
best advice would be to have a new synthetic palm placed in the glove... the
feel is so much nicer than the old leather, plus now at least we get all our
palms with foam in the palm area as well as in the back of the fingers, and
many ventilation holes in the palm area and gussets to help the moisture
escape and the palm to dry quicker...

Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: CFT Technology
Date: 23 Sep 1996 12:03:42 -0400



I just saw an advertising piece in the latest edition of The Hockey News that
mentioned Vaughn had come up with a new type of foam called Convoluted Foam
Technology (CFT) that they were using in their blockers and pads.  They claim
that by using this type of foam they can better distribute forces throughout
the foam and therefore get away with using less material, thereby saving
weight.  Has anyone heard of this?  Is it just a marketing scheme, or is
there some basis for it?  Are their new blockers and pads noticeably lighter?
 Scott?

Paul


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From: Paul Branchaud <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CFT Technology
Date: 23 Sep 1996 12:21:32 -0400 (EDT)

On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 [e-mail] wrote:

> I just saw an advertising piece in the latest edition of The Hockey News that
> mentioned Vaughn had come up with a new type of foam called Convoluted Foam
> Technology (CFT) that they were using in their blockers and pads.  They claim
> that by using this type of foam they can better distribute forces throughout
> the foam and therefore get away with using less material, thereby saving
> weight.  Has anyone heard of this?  Is it just a marketing scheme, or is
> there some basis for it?  Are their new blockers and pads noticeably lighter?

I have seen the new Vaughn Blocker (B2500) and it uses the new CFT foam.
The 2500 is the Vaughn blocker that has the two "white" sideways Vs on the
blocking board (Osgood and Terreri are two of the pros I remember seeing
use it). When you see this blocker up close, you notice that the white
portion is actually a nylon mesh that lets you see some of the foam
underneath (which is stamped with "foam information"). The foam itself
even has some small (1/8"?) holes spaced out, in an effort to lighten the
product. I tried on the glove and it wasn't bad. Perhaps a bit lighter
than the B2000 (my current model), but I found that my balance while
holding a stick with this blocker seemd a bit off (too used to the "extra"
weight, I guess). What I really like about this blocker and the Legacy2
blocker is that they have a very wide wrist cuff that allows for lots of
wrist movement, without changing the position of the blocker (similar in
use to the Brian's detached cuff on the 851 blockers). The opening for the
hand is still a bit small for my liking, but that's something I have found
with most blockers. Also, I find that the two Vs make the blocker ugly as
sin; I much prefer the V at the top and the simple Vaughn "stripe" at the
bottom.

That's my two cents on this blocker...

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From: "Matt Malicki" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Running yourself into the ground
Date: 23 Sep 1996 12:56:24 +0000

Howdy:

    One for you fitness gurus.....

    This weekend, I ran myself into the ground.  2 hours of
rollerblading, and then 3 hours straight of goaltending.  I was
wondering if there's a way to aid my muscles in recovering.  Right
now, I'm terribly sore.

    Now in a totally unrelated note....

ANOTHER BATTRAM PAD REVIEW

    I tried to write a review a couple of months back, when I first got
my new chest pad, but due to my stupidity, it never got through.
    Well, during my 10 minute break Saturday, I went into the locker
room for more water, and really looked at myself in the mirror with
it on.  My first thought was  "Dang, I'm huge."  Then,  "Dang, I'm
really huge".
    It's a very large pad, which suprised me, for it's not bulky in a
bad way.  After I took a little time to get the arms where I wanted
them, everything moves well.  And I have yet to get one bruise
wearing it.

    Finally, to those goalies who told me about Michigan National Rink
in GR, do you think you could tell me how to get there from K-Zoo?
Thanks.

Later,

Matt Malicki
********NEW MAIN EMAIL:  [e-mail]*********
[e-mail]
Now With Pow-Wow:  [e-mail]
#30
"My real search for answers began when I realized that there were none."
Visit my web page, it's good for what ails ya':
    http://www.tir.com/~malickim
"I don't suffer from insanity.  I enjoy every minute of it"
"Madness takes its toll.  Please have exact change"
"We've done so much with so little for so long, we can now do anything with
    nothing."
"I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked me at once."
"Goaltending is 90% mental, and the other 10% is in your head."
"Shouldn't the psychic friends be the ones to call you?"


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From: Tigger <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Running yourself into the ground
Date: 23 Sep 1996 13:16:49 -0400

Ah....simple...coming from a Cross Country Runner....
Basically, ice any spots that are sore (5-7 min), then heat with a heating
pad for the same amount of time. Do this two-three times, time allowing.
Then REST. Your muscles can't rejuvenate if they are being used. Take a
bath tonight if you have time, it helps ALOT!
This also works great for any hockey injures (just add 20 min of icing
before you heat for the first time (5-7 min). I did this same procedure
after my knee surgery (Patella damage), and after only 1 week, I have ~95%
maneuverability back, and will probably be able to play hockey again on
wednesday (doctor premitting of course).
        Rick "Tigger"
        #30




At 12:56 PM 9/23/96 +0000, Matt Malicki wrote:
>Howdy:
>
>    One for you fitness gurus.....
>
>    This weekend, I ran myself into the ground.  2 hours of
>rollerblading, and then 3 hours straight of goaltending.  I was
>wondering if there's a way to aid my muscles in recovering.  Right
>now, I'm terribly sore.
>
>    Now in a totally unrelated note....
>
>ANOTHER BATTRAM PAD REVIEW
>
>    I tried to write a review a couple of months back, when I first got
>my new chest pad, but due to my stupidity, it never got through.
>    Well, during my 10 minute break Saturday, I went into the locker
>room for more water, and really looked at myself in the mirror with
>it on.  My first thought was  "Dang, I'm huge."  Then,  "Dang, I'm
>really huge".
>    It's a very large pad, which suprised me, for it's not bulky in a
>bad way.  After I took a little time to get the arms where I wanted
>them, everything moves well.  And I have yet to get one bruise
>wearing it.
>
>    Finally, to those goalies who told me about Michigan National Rink
>in GR, do you think you could tell me how to get there from K-Zoo?
>Thanks.
>
>Later,
>
>Matt Malicki
>********NEW MAIN EMAIL:  [e-mail]*********
>[e-mail]
>Now With Pow-Wow:  [e-mail]
>#30
>"My real search for answers began when I realized that there were none."
>Visit my web page, it's good for what ails ya':
>    http://www.tir.com/~malickim
>"I don't suffer from insanity.  I enjoy every minute of it"
>"Madness takes its toll.  Please have exact change"
>"We've done so much with so little for so long, we can now do anything with
>    nothing."
>"I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked me
at once."
>"Goaltending is 90% mental, and the other 10% is in your head."
>"Shouldn't the psychic friends be the ones to call you?"
>
>
>


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: CFT Technology
Date: 23 Sep 1996 16:46:45 -0400

At 12:03 PM 09/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>I just saw an advertising piece in the latest edition of The Hockey News that
>mentioned Vaughn had come up with a new type of foam called Convoluted Foam
>Technology (CFT) that they were using in their blockers and pads.  They claim
>that by using this type of foam they can better distribute forces throughout
>the foam and therefore get away with using less material, thereby saving
>weight.  Has anyone heard of this?  Is it just a marketing scheme, or is
>there some basis for it?  Are their new blockers and pads noticeably lighter?
> Scott?
>
>Paul
>
>
>

Hi Paul, Sounds like just a way of advertising their product...Vaughn will
get the bulk of their foam from KRISTOFOAM, in Concorde Ontario Canada, same
place where I get mine,  as they carry the PLASTAZOTE lines of foam, as for
convoluted foam, this is a new term for me, I will contact Mike Delakis at
Kristofoam and find out what it is, but as I read in Pauls post about the
holes in the foam every 1/8" or so, it sounds like a sheet of LD-45 that has
had holes cut out of it to reduce the weight, but realistically the weight
change wouldnt be noticable... I just switched over to a new blocker board
design which eliminated the plastic board in the blocker, thus eliminating
about 1/4 lb in weight...now we use a QUAD-LAMINATE board in the blocker
(notice the catchy phrase, much like convoluted foam!) meaning we use 4
layers of foams all laminated togethor to form the blocker board! I got this
idea from looking inside a Louisville blocker, and it works great, not only
does it fit in the blocker really snug, but at the same time it is really
lightweight and is nice and comfortable with the soft ether foam on the
bottom of the board to fit your hand nicely...

I have to talk to the foam supplier tomorrow and I will see what this new
stuff is... my guess is that its just some laminated layers of the ZOTE
foams... There are so many foams available, its hard to keep track of
anything...

Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Running yourself into the ground
Date: 23 Sep 1996 17:20:18 -0400

At 12:56 PM 09/23/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Howdy:
>
>    One for you fitness gurus.....
>
>    This weekend, I ran myself into the ground.  2 hours of
>rollerblading, and then 3 hours straight of goaltending.  I was
>wondering if there's a way to aid my muscles in recovering.  Right
>now, I'm terribly sore.
>

Hey Matt... one of the most important things you can do before any activity
is to do a full body stretch, as this will loosen your muscles...  and make
them more elastic like... more than likely what you are experienceing now is
the same thing guys who lift weights feel all the time, you have stretched
the muscles in your body to the point where they have broken down, and are
in that 24 hour period where they are rebuilding and becomming stronger...
short of using anabolic steroids, there isnt much you can do to help them
recover quicker, other than to stretch to loosen them and drink lots of
water... as the majority of muscle is water... I also played 3 hours
yesterday morning too... but because I am used to it, its not a huge problem
for me, but I can well imagine how you would feel if you dont play that much
at one time on a regular basis!
>    Now in a totally unrelated note....
>
>ANOTHER BATTRAM PAD REVIEW
>
>    I tried to write a review a couple of months back, when I first got
>my new chest pad, but due to my stupidity, it never got through.
>    Well, during my 10 minute break Saturday, I went into the locker
>room for more water, and really looked at myself in the mirror with
>it on.  My first thought was  "Dang, I'm huge."  Then,  "Dang, I'm
>really huge".
>    It's a very large pad, which suprised me, for it's not bulky in a
>bad way.  After I took a little time to get the arms where I wanted
>them, everything moves well.  And I have yet to get one bruise
>wearing it.
>
>    Finally, to those goalies who told me about Michigan National Rink
>in GR, do you think you could tell me how to get there from K-Zoo?
>Thanks.
>
>Later,
>
>Matt Malicki
>********NEW MAIN EMAIL:  [e-mail]*********
>[e-mail]
>Now With Pow-Wow:  [e-mail]
>#30
>"My real search for answers began when I realized that there were none."
>Visit my web page, it's good for what ails ya':
>    http://www.tir.com/~malickim
>"I don't suffer from insanity.  I enjoy every minute of it"
>"Madness takes its toll.  Please have exact change"
>"We've done so much with so little for so long, we can now do anything with
>    nothing."
>"I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked me
at once."
>"Goaltending is 90% mental, and the other 10% is in your head."
>"Shouldn't the psychic friends be the ones to call you?"
>
>
>
Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: "Steven Sanyal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: player gear
Date: 23 Sep 1996 20:52:32 -0400

I don't think that this message stricly belongs here because it is not
about goaltending, but I am pretty sure that many goalies have tried this,
so I hope you don't mind.

I am thinking of trying to play "out" casually this season, though still
playing goal primarily.  I think it would help me to appreciate a different
dimension to the game, and hey - it might be fun!

Since I only started ice hockey 18 months ago though, I have about as much
knowledge of player gear as I did about goalie gear when I started.  Does
anyone here have any advice what to get?  I am in Toronto, so I can
probably find some used stuff, but I am not sure what to buy.

The shoulder pads for instance - is it better to get the moulded looking
stuff, or the really light looking synthetic designs?  After wearing chest
protectors that resemble bullet proof vests, both look inadequate in
comparison, but I realize that I have to equip myself for the position.  I
am thinkng of using my pants (Tackla butterfly) and jock, and have a pair
of player skates that I am putting new blades on.

Is it better for me to keep a flatter blade rather than rockering it, since
I am used to skating on flat goalie blades, or should I try to rocker them
and adapt?  I tried skating on them once with the old blades (heavily
rockered and worn down) - my first instinct was to shift some weight to my
toes - big mistake! - I almost tipped right forward into a face plant!

If any of the experienced goalies here who also play out and know the
equipment (ie: Scott!) - I would appreciate some advice.

Regards


Steve

[e-mail]

Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/1272


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From: [e-mail] (Stormwind)
Subject: Re:  player gear
Date: 23 Sep 1996 18:17:00 -0700

Steve writes:
    I am thinking of trying to play "out" casually this season, though still
    playing goal primarily.  I think it would help me to appreciate a different
    dimension to the game, and hey - it might be fun!

you learn a LOT about playing hockey
from playing different positions.
for example, i have a much better idea
how defensemen should behave in the
defensive zone after watching my D
committ classic errors!

    The shoulder pads for instance - is it better to get the moulded looking
    stuff, or the really light looking synthetic designs?  After wearing chest
    protectors that resemble bullet proof vests, both look inadequate in
    comparison, but I realize that I have to equip myself for the position.

well, odds are you will not be taking
pucks in the chest while playing out,
so you want to put your focus onto protecting
your shoulders, elbows, knees and shins...
things that will be soundly whacked by sticks
and boards alike.  i like the jofa shoulder
pads with the big plastic cups over the
shoulders...since i don't play out often,
i got the koho ultimate shinpads and elbowpads.

     I
    am thinkng of using my pants (Tackla butterfly) and jock, and have a pair
    of player skates that I am putting new blades on.

the pants work fine...though i usually pull
out the styrofoam insert that goes down the
inside of the thigh.

    Is it better for me to keep a flatter blade rather than rockering it, since
    I am used to skating on flat goalie blades, or should I try to rocker them
    and adapt?  I tried skating on them once with the old blades (heavily
    rockered and worn down) - my first instinct was to shift some weight to my
    toes - big mistake! - I almost tipped right forward into a face plant!

my recommendation is to skate at public skate
for a week or two on rockered skates to get
used to the feel of it.  i generally work on
rockered skates during the offseason so i can
focus on technique and speed (and hence endurance
and wind); when i'm playing at least one night a
week i spend at public skate with pants, pads
and goalie skates to make the pads more instinctive.

in general, rockered skates give you more forward
speed and considerably more maneuverability.
goalie skates are pretty fast going backwards,
but aren't as great for sudden sharp turns.

            stormwind

            hell's amazon
            lord of the frozen realm


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From: "Steven Sanyal" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: player gear
Date: 23 Sep 1996 21:50:07 -0400

> you learn a LOT about playing hockey
> from playing different positions.
> for example, i have a much better idea
> how defensemen should behave in the
> defensive zone after watching my D
> committ classic errors!

hehehe.. I 'm sure that every goalie has gained this experience though!

> in general, rockered skates give you more forward
> speed and considerably more maneuverability.
> goalie skates are pretty fast going backwards,
> but aren't as great for sudden sharp turns.

Well, you can believe me that I had no intention of playing with my goal
skates - they are too heavy/bulky to play out in, and are not designed for
it.

I have pair of Micron Mega 10-90's that I picked up last year for $60.  The
blades are pretty worn though, and I am having them replaced.  Some of my
teammates from summer have told me though that they do not rocker their
skates at all, and these are the better players on the team.  My
understanding is that rockering helps you to shift/turn your whole body
much quicker, switching from forward to defence, etc.  The less contact you
have with the ice, this easier this is.  Having more contact with the ice
though should give you better speed - ie: look at speed skating skates and
their huge, flat blades.  These don't help much for maneouverability
though.

Steve


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: player gear
Date: 23 Sep 1996 23:03:43 -0400

At 09:50 PM 09/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> you learn a LOT about playing hockey
>> from playing different positions.
>> for example, i have a much better idea
>> how defensemen should behave in the
>> defensive zone after watching my D
>> committ classic errors!
>
>hehehe.. I 'm sure that every goalie has gained this experience though!
>
>> in general, rockered skates give you more forward
>> speed and considerably more maneuverability.
>> goalie skates are pretty fast going backwards,
>> but aren't as great for sudden sharp turns.
>
>Well, you can believe me that I had no intention of playing with my goal
>skates - they are too heavy/bulky to play out in, and are not designed for
>it.
>
>I have pair of Micron Mega 10-90's that I picked up last year for $60.  The
>blades are pretty worn though, and I am having them replaced.  Some of my
>teammates from summer have told me though that they do not rocker their
>skates at all, and these are the better players on the team.  My
>understanding is that rockering helps you to shift/turn your whole body
>much quicker, switching from forward to defence, etc.  The less contact you
>have with the ice, this easier this is.  Having more contact with the ice
>though should give you better speed - ie: look at speed skating skates and
>their huge, flat blades.  These don't help much for maneouverability
>though.
>

Once again, the dreaded rocker lifts its head!  It is now proven that the
more blade in contact with the ice, the more speed you get, as your
transferring power in the stride over a larger area and getting a better
push, your friend is correct in saying many of the better skaters will not
have a rocker in their skates, even with forward skates, the more blade, the
more power, as for turning, it is something you will have to get used to,
but from the people I know whom have had their forward skates contoured
(putting more blade on the ice) would never go back to their big bannana
rockers... not only does more blade on the ice give you more power, it also
greatly improves your balance...
and the people really havent noticed a difference in their turning abilities...

As for the forwards gear...

If your a beginner, I would suggest something that offers good protection...
however, put more emphesis on getting a good set of elbow pads... I dont
want to even begin to talk about various shoulder pads I have seen guys
using... but I can tell you this, at the pro level, usually less is best...
I have seen pictures of dressing rooms where there hangs just the shoulder
caps, and no front or back protection whatsoever... usually they will have a
good set of shin pads... alot of them remove padding from the pants... and
many also wear slash pads on their lower arms if their elbow pads do not
cover... but this is at a pro level... for the rec player who has to go to
work the next day, get something that allows for good mobility and good
protection... those molded shoulder units look really bulky and I would
think they would hamper movement while puckhandling...just try a set on and
try to do arm circles with them!! I would also avoid any of those mesh units
that have velcro on them, as when the velcro is stitched to the mesh, it
tends to pull away and rip the mesh with use...

About the best shoulder pads I have ever seen are the ones made by DOUGLAS,
I am sure the USA people who have played Football, will recognize that name,
as they also make football gear as well.. these are nice units... light, yet
protective... If I am not mistaken they are doind stuff for EASTON now...
They make both a forwards unit and a defence unit...


>
>
>
Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: "Dwayne E.M. Lum" <[e-mail]>
Subject: More about CFT
Date: 24 Sep 1996 00:55:28 -0400

I have seen the Convoluted Foam Technology that people have been writing
about. Basically, the foam is molded (processed) to replicate the shape of
an egg carton. The waves in the foam are purported to spread and dissipate
shock more thoroughly throughout the entire blocking surface (pads or
blocker). I think the difference in foam thickness is probably marginal -
maybe 1/8".  This  may have some effect on weight and bulkiness, but to
what degree I cannot really say.

It certainly is an interesting application of materials in goalie
equipment. And I think that if Vaughn is trying this technology, then it
most likely warrants some serious merit.



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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: Hard Palm Leather
Date: 24 Sep 1996 16:50:25 +1000

At 03:51 PM 9/22/96 -0700, you wrote:
>    Hi Gang:
>
>    I have a question to ask about the leather palms on gloves, particularly
on blockers. Mine get to be as hard as a dogs chew toy after they have dried.
>
>    I'm wondering if others have this problem and if you do what do you do
about it? Can you wash the leather with water? I do tend to sweat a lot and
I even find "salt" dried on my equipment after a hard game.
>
>    To Listserve: I have sent a few e-mails that didn"t make it to the list.
Whats up?
>
Just rub them on the ice when you get on or squirt a bit of water into them.
I think you'll find most players have your problem with their gloves i know
of one person who puts water into his skates.

Cya Paul.


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From: Blake Wehlage <[e-mail]>
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Date: 24 Sep 1996 20:08:03 -0400

This question goes out to Eddie...

Do you have any plans to produce any of the "new" catcher maskes in=
 baseball??
or are the same companies making them now just changing????

Ps... anyone know or like the Riedell 600 goal skates, cause I can get a new
pair for $99 (us) and was wondering if they are worth it?
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   Blake Wehlage <[e-mail]>
   =87=B1=BB R=EBV=F0L=FB=86=A1=D8=D1 B=F8+ =A9=D6mP@=F1=A5 =99 =AB=B1=87
 Goto: http://members.iglou.com/jwilk


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From: "Matt Malicki" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Skate blades
Date: 26 Sep 1996 13:42:40 +0000

Howdy:

    A quick question...is it possible for a skate blade to lose it's
ability to hold an edge.  I had my first game as a ref last night,
and I lost an edge and fell 3 times, even though I had them sharpened
hours before.

Later,

Matt Malicki

Matt Malicki     9/25/96 12:16:17 PM
[e-mail]
"And so God said, 'E=.5mv^2+2P/r' and there was popcorn!"


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From: NORRIS Douglas Todd <[e-mail]>
Subject: My Battram leg pads came today!
Date: 27 Sep 1996 15:32:00 -0600 (MDT)


If anyone lives within driving distance of Boulder, and wants to see my
brand-new Battram leg pads, I'll be in my office all weekend, except for
a hockey game on Sunday afternoon.  E-mail me, and I'll show them to you.

I'll post a full review after I've used them once or twice, but just out
of the box they look great!  Tough stuff - strong straps, etc.  I'm
interested to see how the toe bridges compare to the toestrap; I've been
wearing the pads up and down the halls of the Math Building since 3:00
and (besides getting crazy looks from my colleagues) they feel great...

Thanks again to Scott who helped me get these pads in time for the
playoffs!  His reliabilty is second only to his quality.  (If you want to
use that quote in advertising, Scott, be my guest :-)

Doug

      Douglas Todd Norris ([e-mail]) "The Mad Kobold"
  Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html
  "I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down.  I
  think that the problem may have been...that there was a Stonehenge monument
  on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf.  Alright?  That
              tended to understate the hugeness of the object."
            - David St. Hubbins, This is Spinal Tap


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From: "Matt Malicki" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (Fwd) Skate blades
Date: 27 Sep 1996 18:03:25 +0000

Don't think this got through before, so I'll resend it.

MM

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------

Howdy:

    A quick question...is it possible for a skate blade to lose it's
ability to hold an edge.  I had my first game as a ref last night,
and I lost an edge and fell 3 times, even though I had them sharpened
hours before.

Later,

Matt Malicki


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: My Battram leg pads came today!
Date: 27 Sep 1996 22:37:03 -0400

At 03:32 PM 09/27/96 -0600, you wrote:
>
>If anyone lives within driving distance of Boulder, and wants to see my
>brand-new Battram leg pads, I'll be in my office all weekend, except for
>a hockey game on Sunday afternoon.  E-mail me, and I'll show them to you.
>
>I'll post a full review after I've used them once or twice, but just out
>of the box they look great!  Tough stuff - strong straps, etc.  I'm
>interested to see how the toe bridges compare to the toestrap; I've been
>wearing the pads up and down the halls of the Math Building since 3:00
>and (besides getting crazy looks from my colleagues) they feel great...
>
>Thanks again to Scott who helped me get these pads in time for the
>playoffs!  His reliabilty is second only to his quality.  (If you want to
>use that quote in advertising, Scott, be my guest :-)
>
>Doug
>

Hi there Doug...

I am glad your gear arrived safely... sounds like your pretty impressed with
it sofar.. thats good to hear... I am sure you will be equally impressed
when you use it... well now you are fully decked out in BATTRAM, all but the
upper body pad! So... I want to see an updated picture on your website!!
haahh Thanks again for your support!

But I dont know why you would get crazy looks in the math building walking
up and down the halls in a set of goal pads! hahah

Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: Barry Russell <[e-mail]>
Subject: Temporary Exit
Date: 30 Sep 1996 08:17 EST

Could someone tell me how to unsubscribe from the list.  I'm moving to the UK
and my office will have a new internet address.  Please also tell me how to
subscribe again when I arrive.
Also, if those on the list in the UK would send me your names and addresses,
it would help me to get oriented regarding hockey when I arrive.  Although
I'll be working in London, my home will be relatively close to Guildford (
I've already found out that they have some rec. hockey there).

Thanks and sorry for the personal nature of the message.

Barry R.

Regards, RussellB@Finance@HG





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From: [e-mail] (Mike Dockery)
Subject: Re: My Battram leg pads came today!
Date: 30 Sep 1996 09:02:45 MDT

That makes TWO Battram pads users in Colorado!   I'll be getting lots of work
as the 22-game season starts next week...and lots of exposure for these
oversized
pads.  I apologize in advance to all the opponents for reducing the "holes"!

MIke





------Doug wrote:
>
>If anyone lives within driving distance of Boulder, and wants to see my
>brand-new Battram leg pads, I'll be in my office all weekend, except for
>a hockey game on Sunday afternoon.  E-mail me, and I'll show them to you.
>
>I'll post a full review after I've used them once or twice, but just out
>of the box they look great!  Tough stuff - strong straps, etc.  I'm
>interested to see how the toe bridges compare to the toestrap; I've been
>wearing the pads up and down the halls of the Math Building since 3:00
>and (besides getting crazy looks from my colleagues) they feel great...
>
>Thanks again to Scott who helped me get these pads in time for the
>playoffs!  His reliabilty is second only to his quality.  (If you want to
>use that quote in advertising, Scott, be my guest :-)
>
>Doug
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>      Douglas Todd Norris ([e-mail]) "The Mad Kobold"
>  Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  "I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down.  I
>  think that the problem may have been...that there was a Stonehenge monument
>  on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf.  Alright?  That
>              tended to understate the hugeness of the object."
>            - David St. Hubbins, This is Spinal Tap
>
>
>


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: My Battram leg pads came today!
Date: 30 Sep 1996 21:32:47 -0400

That makes TWO Battram pads users in Colorado!   I'll be getting lots of work
as the 22-game season starts next week...and lots of exposure for these
oversized
pads.  I apologize in advance to all the opponents for reducing the "holes"!

MIke





------Doug wrote:
>
>If anyone lives within driving distance of Boulder, and wants to see my
>brand-new Battram leg pads, I'll be in my office all weekend, except for
>a hockey game on Sunday afternoon.  E-mail me, and I'll show them to you.
>
>I'll post a full review after I've used them once or twice, but just out
>of the box they look great!  Tough stuff - strong straps, etc.  I'm
>interested to see how the toe bridges compare to the toestrap; I've been
>wearing the pads up and down the halls of the Math Building since 3:00
>and (besides getting crazy looks from my colleagues) they feel great...
>
>Thanks again to Scott who helped me get these pads in time for the
>playoffs!  His reliabilty is second only to his quality.  (If you want to
>use that quote in advertising, Scott, be my guest :-)
>
>Doug
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>      Douglas Todd Norris ([e-mail]) "The Mad Kobold"
>  Hockey Goaltender Home Page: http://ucsu.colorado.edu/~norrisdt/goalie.html
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  "I do not, for one, think that the problem was that the band was down.  I
>  think that the problem may have been...that there was a Stonehenge monument
>  on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf.  Alright?  That
>              tended to understate the hugeness of the object."
>            - David St. Hubbins, This is Spinal Tap
>
>
>


Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm


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From: Scott Battram <[e-mail]>
Subject: BPGT 3500 SP SNR (NEW FOR 97)
Date: 30 Sep 1996 21:43:56 -0400

BPGT 3500 SP SNR for 1997 is now available.

We have just released our new catcher for 1997, it will still be the BPGT
3500 SP SNR, we have made the following improvements for 1997.

(Anyone with a BPGT 3500 SP SNR on order with us right now will receive this
new catcher as of OCTOBER 1, 1996)

The improvements include:

NEW POCKET DESIGN (LIKE THE BRIANS ANCHOR) this pocket is huge, and is
designed so the bottom of the pocket is a solid piece that makes the palm
area of the glove look larger. (Wait till you see the pictures!)

New INTERNAL PALM - BS2100 with ETHER FOAM backing to make for a super soft
and comfortable feel.

New MOLDED THUMB piece, a greater angle on the thumb to once again open the
glove up and create a natural scoop to direct everything into the huge pocket.

And probably the best change yet, is to a new outer material, rather than
using the smooth 400 Denier NYLONS on most gloves, we are now using a new
material called DEFENDER which is a 600 Denier POLYESTER fabric, and it is
just perfect for gloves, it is as tough as cordura nylon, but has a softer
look to it, and a great feel to the fabric, along with being water resistant.

These changes will make our all ready great catch glove even better.

If you would like any more information, please email us... the photos will
be available soon on the web site.
Scott Battram
"Owner - BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT"
Woodstock, Ontario - CANADA
"Manufacturers of Custom Goal Equipment"

***BATTRAM CUSTOM GOAL EQUIPMENT WEB SITE:***
http://venus.execulink.com/~sbattram/index.htm