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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 09:51:06 -0800
From: "Marc Claude Desbiens" <marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com>
Subject: RE: RE: [MV] Brendan Fraser & Gods and monsters
**** Marc ;-)
>Marc, sometimes you make me worry -
**** Sorry, COM PADRE !! ;-)
for your own reasons, you admit that
>you don't watch animated films or (kiddies flicks),
**** correct, I think most animated films are for kids ... I did like Chicken run a lot though, but that was claymation as they say, stop-and-go animation .. not the same !
fine, you have your
>reasons, but you are missing out on a wealth of fantastic viewing. Some
>of these films are far more enjoyable than "grown up" films.
**** I just can't watch Disney animated films ... they turn me "off" .. I am not saying they are bad films, they look really good visually and the songs are great as well ... I just don't really care for the stories ...
>However, you have excelled yourself in your dislike of both "The Piano"
>and "The English Patient" - both are fine, no DAMN FINE films, that
>appeal universally.
** did you see that "Seinfeld" episode where Elaine was saying how boring The english patient was ... this is how I felt ! I couldn't finish that movie because I was too bored, plain and simple. The movie looked good, well acted, etc. but I was snoozing !! Not interested int he story at all ... compared to a movie like "Breaking the waves" for example that deals with a somewhat similar subject matter and that is really intriguing ...
- - In 1999, mainly because of the young moviegoers and the increase in ticket prices, the american box office established a new record. In 2000 though, a lot of critics are saying that Hollywood produced the worst crop of films in the past 70 years !
- - Experts have tips that could improve the situation greatly if they were followed by the BIG KAHUNAS in Hollywood.
Peter Travers : Rolling Stones magazine
- - Hollywood is composed of a bunch of people who are afraid to lose their jobs if they don't have a huge hit in any given year. It only takes one big hit to compensate if the rest of the year was terrible
anyway.
When a movie costs 100M$ to make, you have to be very careful, playing it safe. If Hollywood was producing more small budget films they could take more chances, more risks, and moviegoers would be winners. The studios who wouldn't risk a lot of money on every single picture they put out so it wouldn't be a tragedy if one failed miserably.
Gerald Peary : Boston Phoenix
- - Everybody knows that when several people are working on a script, polishing it over and over and over, the idea and concept that was in the original script is often lost.
Big studios persist in having a lot of the scripts written in collaboration with several people because they think it would be
too risky to have only one person involved. This really prevents a lot of audacious and original films from being made ... after so many people have touched it, the script loses a lot of its flavor.
Studios should learn to trust script writers and make sure to give him/her the time to develop their ideas completely, not rushing them to complete the job because a big name star is involved and has another project coming up later in the year.
A lot of Studio executives are cowards and think they can't risk losing a star just because the script is not ready yet, and it is easier to bully a script writer than Julia Roberts or Eddie Murphy.
Leonard Maltin : Entertainment tonight
- - Studio executives should stop associating quality and profts. They think they are geniuses and are putting out really good films but they aren't ... They just make very profitable mediocre films.
Back in the good ol' days, people were concentrating on the movie itself but now they concentrate more ont he marketing aspect. Trying to anticipate what the young moviegoers will want to see next to make a lot of money.
If studios were thinking more about the quality of the films they produce instead of relying on bored teenagers and test-audiences for ideas, movies would improve.
Part. 2 .. later on ...
Marc ;-)
"A guy told me once ... Don't let yourself get attached
to anything you are not willing to walk out on in thirty
seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner ..."
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 09:13:32 -0800
From: "Marc Claude Desbiens" <marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com>
Subject: [MV] Any Given Sunday / Oliver Stone
<<<< Off list from Paul >>>>
Thanks, Paul, those comments were interesting to read, especially for those who have seen the movie of course ! I really like Oliver Stone myself ... just saw Born on the fourth of July, Platoon & Talk radio again during the past month ... Excellent !! I am also thinking of seeing U-Turn again, am I the only one who liked it ?? ;-)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:46:05 -0500
From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] Oliver Stone **the list**
At 10:30 AM 1/10/01 -0800, you wrote:
>- Natural Born Killer - 1994 (dir's cut) 5/5 (I know, I know, it should
>be lower !)
Much, much lower
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:53:39 -0700 (MST)
From: A Kanizaj <akanizaj@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject: Re: [MV] Any Given Sunday / Oliver Stone
I loved U-Turn; haven't seen Any Given Sunday but the only one of Stone's
films I disliked was Heaven and Earth.
- -ak
On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Marc Claude Desbiens wrote:
>
> <<<< Off list from Paul >>>>
>
> Thanks, Paul, those comments were interesting to read, especially for those who have seen the movie of course ! I really like Oliver Stone myself ... just saw Born on the fourth of July, Platoon & Talk radio again during the past month ... Excellent !! I am also thinking of seeing U-Turn again, am I the only one who liked it ?? ;-)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 19:31:51 -0800
From: "Marc Claude Desbiens" <marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com>
Subject: [MV] Re: U-Turn/Red Rock West
**** I liked U-turn a lot (3.5/5) and I was so surprised that so many people hated that one .. I recall Siskel & Ebert REALLY trashing the film on their TV shows ... taking it apart completely saying it was just a terrible film especially coming from one of their favorite directors.
The movie has a lot of style, Penn is just great as the victim, plenty of colorful characters, Jon Voight, Billy Bob Thornton is crazy as that mechanic (I have to admit I was laughing out loud when he was playing "Twister" in his run down shack !!), Jennifer Lopez, so sexy ! Nick Nolte having fun, Powers Boothe, Joaquin Phoenix "TNT" ... an all-star cast !! ... intriguing story too (even if it's not 100% original as you said, Paul D.) ...
It only loses it a lil' in the last third or so or else I would go up to 4/5 probably ... The music is also really special, excellent material ! Editing, all sorts of good "nature shots" ... ;-)
It's true that it is a mix of Red rock west and After hours ... ;-) Red Rock west = 4/5 After hours = 3.5/5 ... U-turn has a lot of similarities with those but it's a very good film anyway, any movie that reminds me of those 2 has to be good after all.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:09:16 -0000
From: MARK DAINTY <MARK@zippack.co.uk>
Subject: RE: [MV] Brendan Fraser & Gods and monsters
You have no idea
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott M. Proctor [SMTP:Scott-Proctor@ouhsc.edu]
> Sent: 11 January 2001 06:30
> To: 'Gregory A. Swarthout '; 'movies@lists.xmission.com '
> Subject: RE: [MV] Brendan Fraser & Gods and monsters
>
> --"Appeal universally? I don't think so. If found "The English
> Patient"
> to be dry, dull and the worst choice for Best Picture since the
> equally dull
> "The Last Emporer". "The Piano" isn't much better."--
>
> I'll second that.
>
> Scooter
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 02:24:27 -0700 (MST)
From: A Kanizaj <akanizaj@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Subject: RE: [MV] Brendan Fraser & Gods and monsters
Right but we started off talking about Gods & Monsters...which I think WAS
a very good movie, even if these others ones weren't.
- -ak
On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Scott M. Proctor wrote:
> --"Appeal universally? I don't think so. If found "The English Patient"
> to be dry, dull and the worst choice for Best Picture since the equally dull
> "The Last Emporer". "The Piano" isn't much better."--
>
> I'll second that.
>
> Scooter
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:17:55 -0500
From: Gene Ehrich <gehrich@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] Brendan Fraser & Gods and monsters
At 06:25 PM 1/10/01 -0700, you wrote:
>What's TBWP?
the blair witch project
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:31:00 -0700
From: ("Paul D Richardson") <Richardson.Paul@amstr.com>
Subject: Re: [MV] Burn Hollywood Burn !!
> Keep your politics to yourself.
??? Marc's article (which he did not write, but was just passing on) wasn't
political. It was perfectly on-topic for this list, as it discussed that
state of Hollywood today.
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 09:01:29 -0800
From: "David F. Nolan" <DFN@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: [MV] "Wild Things" - good movie, great soundtrack
I just got hold of a copy of the soundtrack music from the movie "Wild
Things" and IMHO it is one of the all-time best soundtrack albums ever! The
movie itself is no slouch; if Hitchcock were alive today, this is the kind
of movie he'd be making (perhaps with a bit less sex!) but the music is the
real standout. It caught my attention when I watched the movie, so I sought
it out. Hard to find, but well worth the effort. I've listened to it 4 or 5
times already, and love every cut. And speaking of Hitchcock, at one point,
I swear there's a snatch of the "Vertigo" theme! The album's one
shortcoming: it is only 36 minutes long. If you're interested, it's on the
Varese Sarabande label, number VSD-5924
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 17:46:05 -0800
From: "Marc Claude Desbiens" <marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com>
Subject: [MV] Burn Hollywood Burn !!! Part. 2
Ok, continuing with the 2nd part of that newspaper article about Hollywood !!
"Susan Stark"
"Hollywood's most memorable films are the ones that are the most original. The problem is that studios try to find the material that they can sell to the largest number of people possible."
"This is why they produce a lot of bad films ... They rely on big budget films, sequels and/or television series that they can easily turn into movies. I even read that Columbia was thinking of concentrating on sequels from now on but do we need to see a
sequel to "Jumanji" or "Stuart Little" ??"
- - Berge Garabedian "Jo-Blo's Movie Emporium"
"I didn't want to know that Tom Hanks was able to leave the island in "Cast away" before seeing the film. Why did they show that in the trailer ?? This is a problem, revealing too much in the trailers makes the movies less enjoyable for most people. "Finding Forrester" and "What lies beneath" are also good examples of this trend.
"Hollywood doesn't produce as many intelligent films as it used to. Producers seem to believe that nothing can be left to the moviegoer's imagination. They are afraid that if they don't explain everything people will be lost wondering what is going on, whispering in the movie theater."
"I think it is possible to make an intelligent film that would be successful at the box office just like "The Godfather" was in the early 1970's. Hollywood should make more films for people over 40 years old, or even 30 years old but those age groups are not really interesting for the studios, they prefer teens or very young adults because they go a lot to the movie theaters."
- - Leonard Maltin, Entertainment tonight.
"Another problem is those people nobody has ever heard of who
praise awful films just to get their names in print in the papers. Producers call them up and they'll say just about anything in order to have one of their quotes in the paper. The result is that moviegoers don't know who to trust anymore as even "Battlefield Earth" was supposed to be "One of the best films of the year" ..."
"Moviegoers should also take part of the blame, if they wouldn't flock to see awful films, Hollywood would stop making them.
Right now they are making a lot of bad films like "Road trip" or "Loser" because it is easier to produce them than better quality ones."
"All they need to do to make money is to hire marketing experts to fill the seats. It doesn't even matter if the film is good or not. To avoid these issues, supporting better quality films like "Almost famous" and "You can count of me" would be a good idea."
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 18:52:13 -0800
From: "Marc Claude Desbiens" <marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com>
Subject: [MV] Gimme a Reason /SPR
**** Marc ;-) May contain Spoilers ... Saving Private Ryan.
Kristen wrote : >Okay - first, I didn't see the whole thing, I missed the first 25 minutes, and watched for moments at a time (during commercial breaks
**** The first 25 minutes were amazing ... I can't believe you haven't seen this film entirely already anyway. This is a 1998 release !! Why did you wait for so long ?? Do you like any war films ?? From your cynical comments I doubt you liked a whole lot of those : "Full metal Jacket" "The thin red line" "Platoon" ... etc.
"Saving Private Ryan" is a really good film, no, an EXCELLENT film in my opinion ... only loses it a little in the middle part but overall I give this film a 4/5.
while watching Once and Again but I missed most of Once and Again because I was really kinda watching this thing). I finally settled in to watch about an hour and then thought it wasn't worth my time.
**** "Once and again" was better huh ?? ... (Uncomfortable silence !)
>
>But, if someone can convince me, I will give it my time. So, I'm throwing down the gauntlet, someone gimme a reason to watch, through and through, the movie SAVING PRIVATE RYAN.
**** Technically, the film is great, the opening and closing battle sequences are amazing ... the sound effects, the acting, the stunts ... murder & mayhem ... some parts are a bit cheesy like that Sizemore speech you mentioned and when Damon tells the anecdote about his brothers in the barn but other than that it is really a good film. Plenty of memorable scenes !
>
>For your information, these are the reasons I felt it wasn't worthwhile. I'm sure there are spoilers.
>
>a) The snippet where the guy takes the dirt and puts it in a tin that says "France" and then stuffs it in his pack. Luckily for us, two other tins (I believe one that says "Africa" which is again lumped in to one big "country" and another that says "Italy") are nearly falling out of his pack. Slap in the face to viewer: This guy has been around, seen a lot, and lived to tell...but the use of the tins gives me reason to believe that the director or writers couldn't give us this information through general character development in an almost THREE HOUR LONG MOVIE. Gimme a break.
**** That is really nitpicking about details, the scene lasts like 30 seconds, I doubt this would really annoy anybody out there for more than 30 seconds as well.
>
>b) the music - intrusive and inappropriate - possibly the worst case of this that I have ever seen.
***** I don't really remember the music in this film so it must not have bothered me so much.
>
>c) the story - three brothers die, last remaining brother needs to be found and brought home to Mother. A general reads an affecting (I've read this letter before, it is an amazingly written letter and it drips with sadness and despair - you can actually feel Lincoln's thoughts as he wrote it) that Abraham Lincoln wrote to a mother who lost five sons on the battlefield. This kind of scene is ripe for the jerking of tears, yet it was mishandled so horribly that I could swear I was watching a movie directed by Tony Scott and produced by Jerry Bruckheimer.
**** I agree the story could have been improved. Especially in the middle part as I said but I still like the film a lot the way it is now ... lil' changes here and there would improve the film of course.
>
>d) Further - in regards to the story - as much as I watched, I could not get over the fact that the men sent on the search for Private Ryan were sent on a bogus mission.
***** It was really an excuse to get the platoon in the french countryside looking for the lost brother. The top brass feared bad publicity and all that. Plus I read that things like that really happened, 3 brothers killed, only one alive and all that ...
What makes them less important? What makes *their* Mother's loss of them any less important? Maybe this had something to do with making a point about the stupid decisions that people at home in cozy war offices make and how it effects the people in the trenches. Maybe it was making a point that these men would do anything to get home. I don't know.
**** You ask yourself too many questions perhaps ! And anyway those points are discussed in the movie ... maybe you were busy watching that other program during those parts ... ;-)
But Tom Sizemore's small speech about how maybe saving Private Ryan is the only thing that makes sense in this crazy war was ridiculous. I got the sense that you were supposed to care about these guys...yet you meet Ryan in the last less-than-an-hour. And he is nothing special. Big mistake.
***** Nothing special ?? What sort of guy did you expect to find ?? He looked like an all-american boy, Matt Damon !
>
>e) The constant closeups of Tom Hanks. Hanks isn't a bad actor but he just does *not* have the chops to emote what needed to be emoted in those scenes. He (Tom Hanks in general) looks like he is about ready to break in to a big grin. The Captain Hanks plays is a battle-weary school teacher that knows what he is doing and hates every bit of it. Hanks was miscast. But the closeups were not so bad as some of the silouette shots and the like. Jesus Christ, just tell the fucking story and try not to be stylish about it (or don't let the style get in the way). This is a war film, for God's sake...
***** Hanks was excellent in the film and I already said I liked how the movie looked, the visuals.
Spielberg should have taken a cue from his own work - he's been able to pull this off before with tremendous results (SCHINDLER'S LIST). Maybe it is that there wasn't any substance. Who knows?
***** SPR should have won easily over Shakeseare in love at the Oscars IMO. (I would have voted for The thin red line myself but most people prefer SPR over that one !)
>
>So - there it is...what can I say? Some people love this movie and I have to say that I don't know if I gave it even half a chance. So...gimme a reason to give it a chance.
>-K
***** Hard to convince you since you hated the film so much but anyway !
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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 20:23:38 -0800
From: "Marc Claude Desbiens" <marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com>
Subject: [MV] RE: Re: [film] Fargo
*** Marc ;-)
> Smokefeath wrote : Most definitely. "Fargo" is a great example of a character-based movie.
**** I agree with you Smokefeath ! This film has so many memorable characters ... amazing !! Most of the Coen brothers' films are like that too .. "The big Lebowski" "Raising Arizona" etc. etc. Memorable people !
>Have you ever met characters like that in a movie before? Name one other
>movie where the hero was a pregnant police chief? That had nothing to do with
>the plot, but oh so much to do with the characters.
**** I agree this was very original ... and how about that scene where she is looking at the ground and the trooper with her asks her if she has found a clue and she says "Nah, I think I'm gonna be sick" (Or something similar !) This was priceless !! And amazing mix of dark humor throughout the film makes this one a 5/5 film in my opinion. My #6 favorite of all times.
And that wonderful,
>wonderful scene inserted in the middle of the film where the Frances
>McDormand character meets the character from high school. It had absolutely
>nothing to do with the "events" of the story, but told so much about two
>people in an economical way.
***** Yes, so many people were complaining saying "What did that have to do with the plot ??" .. The answer is "NOTHING !!" it was all character development ...
All that business about McDormand's husband and
>his duck stamp: great stuff, but was also about character and nothing about
>events. The magnificent scene with Macy and the couple who come pick up their
>car with the undercoat already on when they didn't order it.
**** Yes, Macy was amazing in this role ... how he was looking down as the angry customer called him a "f***in' liar" ... wow ... No matter what he tried nothing was working out like he had planned.
The dynamic
>between Steve Buscemi and Peter Stomare. The magnificence of "Fargo" is not
>the storyline, but that you meet characters you have never met before.
***** Yes, Buscemi and Stormare discussing pancakes ... Buscemi complaining that Stormare never talked ... so many memorable scenes.
A MUST SEE for any movie fan ! The movie is just PERFECT !!
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 07:29:27 -0800
From: "Marc Claude Desbiens" <marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com>
Subject: RE: Re: [MV] Burn Hollywood Burn !!
Thanks for your support, Paul D. !
Yes, I sometimes stumble on intriguing newspaper articles here and I think if I find them interesting, **maybe** just **maybe** someone else out there might like to read them as well (or part of them !) ... and anyway it was quite appropriate for a movie related E-Group.
Bye !
Marc ;-)
>Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:31:00 -0700
>From: ("Paul D Richardson") <Richardson.Paul@amstr.com>
>To: movies@lists.xmission.com
>Subject: Re: [MV] Burn Hollywood Burn !!
>Reply-To: movies@lists.xmission.com
>
>> Keep your politics to yourself.
>
>??? Marc's article (which he did not write, but was just passing on) wasn't
>political. It was perfectly on-topic for this list, as it discussed that
>state of Hollywood today.
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 13:46:34 -0800
From: "Marc Claude Desbiens" <marcdesbiens@apolloguide.com>
Subject: [MV] Off Topic - Reality TV shows
**** I watched the Survivors TV show when they presented it again during the Olympics ... CBS sticking it to NBC ... hehe !!
I was thinking it was going to be terrible and only watched it by "accident" actually as I was flipping the channels just at the "right" time to catch the beginning of the first show, only missed the first 3 minutes or sumthin' ! ... To my surprise, I actually liked the show a lot. Sure some parts were a bit silly but I liked it overall, can't always watch "serious" movies, right ?? ;-)
All sorts of intriguing characters, a few lovely girls (Colleen
was "turning me on" a bit too, yum !) back stabbing, alliances, struggling to survive, how to make fire, low on food, etc. ...
and then the tribal councils ... oh my !!
I would have liked longer shows actually, maybe 90 minutes per episode instead of 60, that would have been great ! Looking forward to Survivors 2 in the australian outback ! (Those aussies !) ;-)
I also watched the first episode of THE MOLE, tuesday night on ABC and thought that was a very good TV show as well (I wouldn't be caught DEAD watching Temptation island on FOX though, the concept seems so SILLY, phew ! Same with Big brother that used to be on CBS, not sure ... not a lot going on for that one !)
The mole is great, I was trying to figure out who the spy was the whole time, just like the characters ... another one I thoguht could have been longer ... why not 90 minutes instead of 60 ?? It would be better if we would get to know the people better of course ... and I liked those stunts they had to do, parachuting out of an airplane, and then the ATM gig ... also a bit of frenchie in that one which was good (Hey that french-speaking contestant was not so bad, nice accent too !) Seemed like a nice group of people and I like the concept a lot, having someone acting as a spy inside the group, great idea !
"Real" actors are complaining a bit because those Reality TV shows are stealing jobs away from them ... Real people being involved in those Tv shows means no actors are involved ... bummer !
