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From: owner-movies-digest@lists.xmission.com (movies-digest)
To: movies-digest@lists.xmission.com
Subject: movies-digest V2 #202
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movies-digest Wednesday, June 16 1999 Volume 02 : Number 202
RE: [MV] Movie News - 06/15/99
RE: [MV] once again - phantom menace
RE: [MV] once again - phantom menace
RE: [MV] phantom menace-MIDI CHLORIANS
RE: [MV] phantom menace-MIDI CHLORIANS
RE: [MV] phantom menace-MIDI CHLORIANS
Re: [MV] Some random thoughts about Matrix, Phantom Menace, and Titanic
[MV] Star Wars as Fascism?
[MV] Episode II (or III) Rumor
Re: [MV] Episode II (or III) Rumor
Re: [MV] Episode II (or III) Rumor
Re: [MV] Episode II (or III) Rumor
Re: [MV] Episode II (or III) Rumor *
[MV] Re: [MovieReview] Jedi warrior code (slight spoiler)
[MV] Movies that have not been made.....
RE: [MV] Movies that have not been made.....
[MV] FW: A fun tidbit from my audiophile friend Paul
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:49:39 -0500
From: Wade Snider <wsnider@bepcexch.brazoselectric.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] Movie News - 06/15/99
I like how that last novel wraps things up, too. Not too bad for a series
like this. Skipping the third novel means skipping a lot of the storyline,
but oh well. It probably means ignoring it or cramming it in...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Romero, Leticia [SMTP:lromero@saonet.ucla.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:39 PM
> To: 'movies@lists.xmission.com'
> Subject: RE: [MV] Movie News - 06/15/99
>
> Jimmy's so smart...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jkrudy [SMTP:jkrudy@micron.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 11:33 AM
> > To: 'movies@lists.xmission.com'
> > Subject: RE: [MV] Movie News - 06/15/99
> > Importance: Low
> >
> > In case anybody cares, Clarke's Odyssey trilogy was not a trilogy but
> > actually a 4-book series. He wrote a book called 2061: Odyssey Three,
> > then
> > he wrote 3001: The Final Odyssey.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gregory A. Swarthout [mailto:gregorys@xmission.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:00 PM
> > To: Movies Mailing List
> > Subject: [MV] Movie News - 06/15/99
> >
> >
> > (Launch) - Mike Myer's "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me"
> > shagged almost $54.7 million this weekend, knocking "Star Wars:
> > Episode One - The Phantom Menace" out of first place. Still, for
> > those who can't get enough of that most shaggable of secret agents,
> > HBO has agreed to develop an Austin Powers cartoon. "When you write a
> > script, you always have another script's worth of material that
> > didn't make it in," Myers said. "I'm looking at this animated series
> > of 13 half-hour shows is that it will be sort of like a joke
> > orphanage, a land of lost toys." No date has been set for the series.
> >
> > LOS ANGELES (AP) - Austin Powers is absolutely swinging, baby.
> > "Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me," the James Bond spoof sequel
> > starring Mike Myers as the sexually charged man of mystery, took in
> > $54.7 million over the weekend, making more in its first three days
> > than the original movie did in its entire run. That knocked the
> > latest "Star Wars" installment out of first place and accorded
> > unlikely blockbuster status to a concept that started out as an
> > in-joke Myers thought few people would get. Now, everywhere you turn,
> > somebody is trying to do his best Austin Powers imitation, imposing a
> > bad English accent on his buzzwords: "Oh, behave!" and "Yeah, baby!
> > Yeah!" "We're stunned, it's almost surreal," said Mike Deluca,
> > president of production at New Line Cinema, the film's distributor.
> > "I think in a weird way the culture caught up with it."
> >
> > The original, "Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery," tested
> > poorly and opened to a tepid $9.5 million in May 1997. People just
> > didn't seem to understand the humor about a '60s spy with bad teeth,
> > a bearskin rug of a chest and an infatuation with sex. Myers said the
> > idea was inspired by his late father, a Liverpool-born salesman who
> > loved British comedy, from Peter Sellers to Monty Python. "You would
> > have had to have grown up in my house to get it," Myers said before
> > the film opened. But audiences warmed up to Austin's humor, and the
> > $16 million-budget film hung on through the summer to gross $53.9
> > million and turn a profit. Then it went to video, where it was - as
> > Austin would say - smashing. The tape dominated the 1998 video
> > charts, with $44 million in sales. It spawned Austin theme parties in
> > colleges and homes, and set the groundwork for the sequel, with
> > double the budget.
> >
> > -=> * <=-
> >
> > LOS ANGELES (AP) - No one in Hollywood can guarantee a box office
> > bonanza like Tom Hanks, Mel Gibson or Tom Cruise, according to a
> > Tinseltown trade publication. Making the top 10 of The Hollywood
> > Reporter's 5th annual Star Power '99 survey of bankable stars were,
> > in order, Hanks, Gibson, Cruise, Harrison Ford, Jim Carrey, Leonardo
> > DiCaprio, John Travolta, Julia Roberts, Robin Williams and Brad Pitt.
> > The Hollywood Reporter surveyed 135 entertainment industry
> > executives, bankers, buyers and sales agents. The top 10 list was "a
> > subjective look at the bankability of 525 actors and actresses
> > worldwide." "You obviously need a good script and a good director,
> > but the casting of the right actor and right actress in the right
> > park is essential to the success of any movie," said Sherry Lansing,
> > chairwoman of Paramount Motion Picture Group.
> >
> > Voters were asked about an individual's ability to attract financing,
> > ensure global distribution and open a film on the strength of their
> > name, among other things. The list was to be published in Tuesday's
> > edition.
> >
> > -=> * <=-
> >
> > (SW Networks) - Empire magazine has reported that "2001: A Space
> > Odyssey" author Arthur C. Clarke is in talks with Tom Hanks on an
> > upcoming film adaptation of Clarke's "3001: The Final Odyssey" and
> > that Hanks, a two-time Oscar winner, is eager to direct the project.
> > The "Final Odyssey" project is based on the last book of Clarke's
> > Odyssey trilogy, which spun not only Stanley Kubrick's legendary film
> > ("2001: A Space Odyssey"), but also the sequel "2010: The Year We
> > Make Contact." Hanks' first and last directorial effort was the
> > acclaimed period piece "That Thing You Do," which failed to make a
> > significant impact at the box office, but has found a home on VH1.
> >
> > -=> * <=-
> >
> > LOS ANGELES (AP) - Last year's raunchy satire "Orgazmo" was slapped
> > with an NC-17 rating for its constant stream of sex jokes and crude
> > sight gags. A few months later, the action-packed "Payback" showed
> > Mel Gibson killing a variety of people in a variety of ways before he
> > was tortured, but the ratings board gave the film an R rating. For
> > years, producers have complained the ratings board has more tolerance
> > for violence than for sex. That has raised questions about whether
> > checking IDs at the theater door - as President Clinton said Tuesday
> > that theater owners have agreed to do - will shield youngsters from
> > violence. The president may have complicated the issue further by
> > getting the government involved, contends lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who
> > helped push through the NC-17 rating in 1990 to take the X-rated
> > stigma off non-pornographic films with adult themes.
> >
> > "The system itself is skewed against sex and in favor of violence,"
> > Dershowitz said. "But once the president puts the heavy thumb of
> > government on the scale, it begins to smack of governmental
> > intrusion." Jack Valenti, head of the Motion Picture Association of
> > America, which sets the ratings, said he applauded the agreement,
> > calling it "a big step forward." Valenti developed the system more
> > than 30 years ago. He admits it is subjective and imperfect, but said
> > it consistently receives favorable reviews from parents. Over the
> > years, the system has been altered only slightly.
> >
> > -=> * <=-
> >
> > (SW Networks) - Due to overwhelmingly positive reaction to the
> > star-studded movie's coming attraction, which is playing before "Star
> > Wars: Episode I" in many theaters across the country, Universal has
> > decided to move up the release date of its action/comedy "Mystery
> > Men." The movie - about a group of superheroes with lame powers -
> > will now bow on July 30, not August 6. Moving up a movie's release
> > date may be done for many reasons. It can mean a studio has expressed
> > confidence in a movie, it can be done to give the movie more run-time
> > before competition, or a release date can be changed to get one
> > product out of the way of a similarly-themed one.
> >
> > "Mystery Men" centers on a group of would-be superheroes. Ben Stiller
> > stars as an angry guy called Mr. Furious, Janeane Garofalo is a
> > bowling ball-throwing heroine called The Bowler and Fargo's William
> > H. Macy plays The Shoveller. The heroes do battle with villain, Shine
> > Oscar winner Geoffrey Rush's Casanova Frankenstein. Greg Kinnear also
> > stars as Captain Amazing, the movie's only actual superhero.
> >
> > -=> * <=-
> >
> > (SW Networks) - The big mouth of talk wrestling, Morton Downey Jr.,
> > is headed to the big screen. The man who paved the way for the likes
> > of Jerry Springer says that Hollywood wants to turn his life into a
> > movie with Nicolas Cage playing the lead role. The New York Daily
> > News reported that although Downey named Paramount Pictures as an
> > interested party, a film company spokesperson has denied any
> > knowledge of such a project.
> >
> > -=> * <=-
> >
> > (SW Networks) - It's said in Hollywood that no one plays injured or
> > crazy like "Braveheart" Oscar winner Mel Gibson. The
> > actor/director/producer who came to global attention by playing
> > half-touched characters like "Mad Max" and the "Lethal Weapon"
> > series' Martin Riggs, however, won't be playing mad again, if a new
> > project comes through. Gibson's Icon Productions banner now has a
> > stake in the drama "The Professor and the Madman," which will be
> > directed by "The Fifth Element's" Luc Besson.
> >
> > As Launch previously reported, the project centers on the real-life
> > relationship between Professor James Murray and Yale educated
> > physician Dr. William Chester Minor, the two men who helped create
> > the Oxford English Dictionary. The film, based on the book by Simon
> > Winchester, will explore what happened when Murray discovers that his
> > partner, Minor, was a paranoid schizophrenic murderer, who had
> > contributed to the dictionary from imprisonment in an asylum. Variety
> > notes that no deal has been set for Gibson to star in the pic, but if
> > he does, he'd be playing Murray's part.
> >
> > -=> * <=-
> >
> > NEW YORK (AP) - Acting isn't everything for Cate Blanchett, the
> > Oscar-nominated star of "Elizabeth." But having a normal life isn't
> > easy for the movie star who got married two years ago, so the best
> > perks accompanying the filming of her upcoming movie, "The Talented
> > Mr. Ripley," in Rome, Naples, and Venice were the romantic locales.
> > "I finally had a honeymoon with my husband in Italy," Blanchett said.
> > The 30-year-old Australian actress also costars in the upcoming film
> > "An Ideal Husband," an adaptation of the Oscar Wilde play. She plays
> > the overly moralistic Lady Gertrude Chiltern, a part she chose
> > because of its inherent challenges. "I thought it would be
> > interesting to play a prig who unravels," Blanchett said. "I don't
> > believe you have to fall in love with your character. It's important
> > to present the unpalatable, flawed side." Blanchett's other film
> > credits include "Pushing Tin," "Paradise Road" and "Oscar and
> > Lucinda."
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 14:04:35 -0500
From: "Joshua Crow" <joshc@galaxy-inc.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] once again - phantom menace
Agreed. Star Wars has never been about rationalizing or explaining the
scenery or technology. After all, it's more fantasy than science fiction.
That's part of what makes the midi-chlorian arc in TPM so repulsive.
|:| -----Original Message-----
|:| From: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com
|:| [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
|:| Gary Heidenreich
|:| <gheiden@ix.netcom.com>
|:| Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:23 PM
|:| To: Movies Mailing List
|:| Subject: Re: [MV] once again - phantom menace
|:|
|:|
|:| > I've seen it 4 times, and I'm convinced that the
|:| force fields that separate
|:| > Maul and the Jedi (how do you pluralize them?) is
|:| there to prevent anyone
|:| > from running right through the corridor and falling
|:| into the giant hole.
|:| > Why else would they be there? Any comments?
|:|
|:| I think it's dangerous to try and rationalize too much
|:| of the aesthetics
|:| of the Star Wars movies. Why are there pits at all?
|:| How can Coruscant
|:| function without any nature? What did Luke just happen
|:| to grab on to
|:| after jumping off the (...what is that? a giant ear?)
|:| at the end of
|:| Empire? I think certain things in the Star Wars
|:| universe are done
|:| purely because they look so cool and work well with the
|:| story. The
|:| force fields, in my opinion, are nothing more than a
|:| device to add
|:| dramatic tension and to highlight the differing
|:| characteristics of the
|:| three Jedis (Qui-Gon: calm and meditative; Maul:
|:| patient but prowling;
|:| Obi-Wan: anxious and aggitated).
|:|
|:| Peter Heidenreich
|:|
|:|
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:21:16 -0600
From: jkrudy <jkrudy@micron.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] once again - phantom menace
I agree that the midi-chlorian bit was a real disappointment. It made the
Force something less spiritual and more mechanical. Yes, they wanted a way
to gauge the strength of the force in Anakin, but couldn't they have some
orb or something that changed colors based on the intensity of the force
within the person touching it. In fact, I believe in one of the books that
comes after Jedi, Luke finds a device that senses when somebody has the
force, it was the tool that the Emperor supposable used to hunt down the
Jedi to kill them all off. Luke uses it to find potential Jedi candidates
for his new Jedi Academy. (See The Jedi Academy Trilogy by Anderson).
James
- -----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Crow [mailto:joshc@galaxy-inc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:05 PM
To: movies@lists.xmission.com
Subject: RE: [MV] once again - phantom menace
Agreed. Star Wars has never been about rationalizing or explaining the
scenery or technology. After all, it's more fantasy than science fiction.
That's part of what makes the midi-chlorian arc in TPM so repulsive.
|:| -----Original Message-----
|:| From: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com
|:| [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
|:| Gary Heidenreich
|:| <gheiden@ix.netcom.com>
|:| Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:23 PM
|:| To: Movies Mailing List
|:| Subject: Re: [MV] once again - phantom menace
|:|
|:|
|:| > I've seen it 4 times, and I'm convinced that the
|:| force fields that separate
|:| > Maul and the Jedi (how do you pluralize them?) is
|:| there to prevent anyone
|:| > from running right through the corridor and falling
|:| into the giant hole.
|:| > Why else would they be there? Any comments?
|:|
|:| I think it's dangerous to try and rationalize too much
|:| of the aesthetics
|:| of the Star Wars movies. Why are there pits at all?
|:| How can Coruscant
|:| function without any nature? What did Luke just happen
|:| to grab on to
|:| after jumping off the (...what is that? a giant ear?)
|:| at the end of
|:| Empire? I think certain things in the Star Wars
|:| universe are done
|:| purely because they look so cool and work well with the
|:| story. The
|:| force fields, in my opinion, are nothing more than a
|:| device to add
|:| dramatic tension and to highlight the differing
|:| characteristics of the
|:| three Jedis (Qui-Gon: calm and meditative; Maul:
|:| patient but prowling;
|:| Obi-Wan: anxious and aggitated).
|:|
|:| Peter Heidenreich
|:|
|:|
|:| [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message
|:| "unsubscribe ]
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|:| majordomo@xmission.com ]
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 12:41:29 -0700
From: "Romero, Leticia" <lromero@saonet.ucla.edu>
Subject: RE: [MV] phantom menace-MIDI CHLORIANS
The midi-chlorian was NOT what the force was made of - Qui-Gon said it was
the MC that told us about the force. The force is STILL a spiritual enity,
but we now know how we came to know of it's exsistance.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jkrudy [SMTP:jkrudy@micron.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:21 PM
> To: 'movies@lists.xmission.com'
> Subject: RE: [MV] once again - phantom menace
> Importance: Low
>
> I agree that the midi-chlorian bit was a real disappointment. It made the
> Force something less spiritual and more mechanical. Yes, they wanted a
> way
> to gauge the strength of the force in Anakin, but couldn't they have some
> orb or something that changed colors based on the intensity of the force
> within the person touching it. In fact, I believe in one of the books
> that
> comes after Jedi, Luke finds a device that senses when somebody has the
> force, it was the tool that the Emperor supposable used to hunt down the
> Jedi to kill them all off. Luke uses it to find potential Jedi candidates
> for his new Jedi Academy. (See The Jedi Academy Trilogy by Anderson).
>
> James
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Crow [mailto:joshc@galaxy-inc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:05 PM
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: [MV] once again - phantom menace
>
>
>
> Agreed. Star Wars has never been about rationalizing or explaining the
> scenery or technology. After all, it's more fantasy than science fiction.
> That's part of what makes the midi-chlorian arc in TPM so repulsive.
>
> |:| -----Original Message-----
> |:| From: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com
> |:| [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
> |:| Gary Heidenreich
> |:| <gheiden@ix.netcom.com>
> |:| Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:23 PM
> |:| To: Movies Mailing List
> |:| Subject: Re: [MV] once again - phantom menace
> |:|
> |:|
> |:| > I've seen it 4 times, and I'm convinced that the
> |:| force fields that separate
> |:| > Maul and the Jedi (how do you pluralize them?) is
> |:| there to prevent anyone
> |:| > from running right through the corridor and falling
> |:| into the giant hole.
> |:| > Why else would they be there? Any comments?
> |:|
> |:| I think it's dangerous to try and rationalize too much
> |:| of the aesthetics
> |:| of the Star Wars movies. Why are there pits at all?
> |:| How can Coruscant
> |:| function without any nature? What did Luke just happen
> |:| to grab on to
> |:| after jumping off the (...what is that? a giant ear?)
> |:| at the end of
> |:| Empire? I think certain things in the Star Wars
> |:| universe are done
> |:| purely because they look so cool and work well with the
> |:| story. The
> |:| force fields, in my opinion, are nothing more than a
> |:| device to add
> |:| dramatic tension and to highlight the differing
> |:| characteristics of the
> |:| three Jedis (Qui-Gon: calm and meditative; Maul:
> |:| patient but prowling;
> |:| Obi-Wan: anxious and aggitated).
> |:|
> |:| Peter Heidenreich
> |:|
> |:|
> |:| [ To leave the movies mailing list, send the message
> |:| "unsubscribe ]
> |:| [ movies" (without the quotes) to
> |:| majordomo@xmission.com ]
> |:|
>
>
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:26:56 -0500
From: "Joshua Crow" <joshc@galaxy-inc.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] phantom menace-MIDI CHLORIANS
True, but it still places it into a scientific box that changes the nature
of what we thought (or wondered) the force was. What happened to the days
when Darth Vader could say "the force is strong with this one" and it was
left at that? There was a whole level of mysticism that was added by the
apparent fact that the Jedi & Sith just "knew" each other. Now we've got
guys in robes taking blood samples and feeding them into devices that look
suspiciously like tri-corders to determine someone's Jedi worthiness. It
takes all the romance out of it. Plus, being a Jedi is no longer quite as
special now that we know it just means they're a regular guy who just
happens to have more bacteria in his blood than the rest of us.
That gives me a hell of an idea. Why don't they make special "Force Yogurt"
using midi-chlorian cultures! MAN would that sell!
And one other thing: in ep 4, Kenobi snuck onto the Death Star and Vader
"felt" his presence, and also (as mentioned earlier) senses Luke's abilities
while flying behind his X Wing. Obi Wan immediately senses the destruction
of Alderaan, etc etc etc. The entire Star Wars backstory is awash with
incidents that suggest that the a Jedi is able to sense changes in the Force
based on his intimate familiarity with it. Yet, in TPM, Qui Gonn is standing
right freaking next to Anakin and is completely oblivious until Anakin
starts displaying his abilities. What's up with that?
Josh
|:| -----Original Message-----
|:| From: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com
|:| [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
|:| Romero, Leticia
|:| Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 2:41 PM
|:| To: 'movies@lists.xmission.com'
|:| Subject: RE: [MV] phantom menace-MIDI CHLORIANS
|:|
|:|
|:| The midi-chlorian was NOT what the force was made of -
|:| Qui-Gon said it was
|:| the MC that told us about the force. The force is
|:| STILL a spiritual enity,
|:| but we now know how we came to know of it's exsistance.
|:|
|:| > -----Original Message-----
|:| > From: jkrudy [SMTP:jkrudy@micron.com]
|:| > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:21 PM
|:| > To: 'movies@lists.xmission.com'
|:| > Subject: RE: [MV] once again - phantom menace
|:| > Importance: Low
|:| >
|:| > I agree that the midi-chlorian bit was a real
|:| disappointment. It made the
|:| > Force something less spiritual and more mechanical.
|:| Yes, they wanted a
|:| > way
|:| > to gauge the strength of the force in Anakin, but
|:| couldn't they have some
|:| > orb or something that changed colors based on the
|:| intensity of the force
|:| > within the person touching it. In fact, I believe in
|:| one of the books
|:| > that
|:| > comes after Jedi, Luke finds a device that senses
|:| when somebody has the
|:| > force, it was the tool that the Emperor supposable
|:| used to hunt down the
|:| > Jedi to kill them all off. Luke uses it to find
|:| potential Jedi candidates
|:| > for his new Jedi Academy. (See The Jedi Academy
|:| Trilogy by Anderson).
|:| >
|:| > James
|:| >
|:| >
|:| > -----Original Message-----
|:| > From: Joshua Crow [mailto:joshc@galaxy-inc.com]
|:| > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:05 PM
|:| > To: movies@lists.xmission.com
|:| > Subject: RE: [MV] once again - phantom menace
|:| >
|:| >
|:| >
|:| > Agreed. Star Wars has never been about rationalizing
|:| or explaining the
|:| > scenery or technology. After all, it's more fantasy
|:| than science fiction.
|:| > That's part of what makes the midi-chlorian arc in
|:| TPM so repulsive.
|:| >
|:| > |:| -----Original Message-----
|:| > |:| From: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com
|:| > |:| [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
|:| > |:| Gary Heidenreich
|:| > |:| <gheiden@ix.netcom.com>
|:| > |:| Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:23 PM
|:| > |:| To: Movies Mailing List
|:| > |:| Subject: Re: [MV] once again - phantom menace
|:| > |:|
|:| > |:|
|:| > |:| > I've seen it 4 times, and I'm convinced that the
|:| > |:| force fields that separate
|:| > |:| > Maul and the Jedi (how do you pluralize them?) is
|:| > |:| there to prevent anyone
|:| > |:| > from running right through the corridor and falling
|:| > |:| into the giant hole.
|:| > |:| > Why else would they be there? Any comments?
|:| > |:|
|:| > |:| I think it's dangerous to try and rationalize too much
|:| > |:| of the aesthetics
|:| > |:| of the Star Wars movies. Why are there pits at all?
|:| > |:| How can Coruscant
|:| > |:| function without any nature? What did Luke
|:| just happen
|:| > |:| to grab on to
|:| > |:| after jumping off the (...what is that? a giant ear?)
|:| > |:| at the end of
|:| > |:| Empire? I think certain things in the Star Wars
|:| > |:| universe are done
|:| > |:| purely because they look so cool and work
|:| well with the
|:| > |:| story. The
|:| > |:| force fields, in my opinion, are nothing more than a
|:| > |:| device to add
|:| > |:| dramatic tension and to highlight the differing
|:| > |:| characteristics of the
|:| > |:| three Jedis (Qui-Gon: calm and meditative; Maul:
|:| > |:| patient but prowling;
|:| > |:| Obi-Wan: anxious and aggitated).
|:| > |:|
|:| > |:| Peter Heidenreich
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:32:30 -0700
From: "Romero, Leticia" <lromero@saonet.ucla.edu>
Subject: RE: [MV] phantom menace-MIDI CHLORIANS
VERY GOOD POINT! I always forget to look back and see what George has
already spoon-fed us...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua Crow [SMTP:joshc@galaxy-inc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:27 PM
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: RE: [MV] phantom menace-MIDI CHLORIANS
>
> True, but it still places it into a scientific box that changes the nature
> of what we thought (or wondered) the force was. What happened to the days
> when Darth Vader could say "the force is strong with this one" and it was
> left at that? There was a whole level of mysticism that was added by the
> apparent fact that the Jedi & Sith just "knew" each other. Now we've got
> guys in robes taking blood samples and feeding them into devices that look
> suspiciously like tri-corders to determine someone's Jedi worthiness. It
> takes all the romance out of it. Plus, being a Jedi is no longer quite as
> special now that we know it just means they're a regular guy who just
> happens to have more bacteria in his blood than the rest of us.
>
> That gives me a hell of an idea. Why don't they make special "Force
> Yogurt"
> using midi-chlorian cultures! MAN would that sell!
>
> And one other thing: in ep 4, Kenobi snuck onto the Death Star and Vader
> "felt" his presence, and also (as mentioned earlier) senses Luke's
> abilities
> while flying behind his X Wing. Obi Wan immediately senses the destruction
> of Alderaan, etc etc etc. The entire Star Wars backstory is awash with
> incidents that suggest that the a Jedi is able to sense changes in the
> Force
> based on his intimate familiarity with it. Yet, in TPM, Qui Gonn is
> standing
> right freaking next to Anakin and is completely oblivious until Anakin
> starts displaying his abilities. What's up with that?
>
> Josh
>
> |:| -----Original Message-----
> |:| From: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com
> |:| [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
> |:| Romero, Leticia
> |:| Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 2:41 PM
> |:| To: 'movies@lists.xmission.com'
> |:| Subject: RE: [MV] phantom menace-MIDI CHLORIANS
> |:|
> |:|
> |:| The midi-chlorian was NOT what the force was made of -
> |:| Qui-Gon said it was
> |:| the MC that told us about the force. The force is
> |:| STILL a spiritual enity,
> |:| but we now know how we came to know of it's exsistance.
> |:|
> |:| > -----Original Message-----
> |:| > From: jkrudy [SMTP:jkrudy@micron.com]
> |:| > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 12:21 PM
> |:| > To: 'movies@lists.xmission.com'
> |:| > Subject: RE: [MV] once again - phantom menace
> |:| > Importance: Low
> |:| >
> |:| > I agree that the midi-chlorian bit was a real
> |:| disappointment. It made the
> |:| > Force something less spiritual and more mechanical.
> |:| Yes, they wanted a
> |:| > way
> |:| > to gauge the strength of the force in Anakin, but
> |:| couldn't they have some
> |:| > orb or something that changed colors based on the
> |:| intensity of the force
> |:| > within the person touching it. In fact, I believe in
> |:| one of the books
> |:| > that
> |:| > comes after Jedi, Luke finds a device that senses
> |:| when somebody has the
> |:| > force, it was the tool that the Emperor supposable
> |:| used to hunt down the
> |:| > Jedi to kill them all off. Luke uses it to find
> |:| potential Jedi candidates
> |:| > for his new Jedi Academy. (See The Jedi Academy
> |:| Trilogy by Anderson).
> |:| >
> |:| > James
> |:| >
> |:| >
> |:| > -----Original Message-----
> |:| > From: Joshua Crow [mailto:joshc@galaxy-inc.com]
> |:| > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:05 PM
> |:| > To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> |:| > Subject: RE: [MV] once again - phantom menace
> |:| >
> |:| >
> |:| >
> |:| > Agreed. Star Wars has never been about rationalizing
> |:| or explaining the
> |:| > scenery or technology. After all, it's more fantasy
> |:| than science fiction.
> |:| > That's part of what makes the midi-chlorian arc in
> |:| TPM so repulsive.
> |:| >
> |:| > |:| -----Original Message-----
> |:| > |:| From: owner-movies@lists.xmission.com
> |:| > |:| [mailto:owner-movies@lists.xmission.com]On Behalf Of
> |:| > |:| Gary Heidenreich
> |:| > |:| <gheiden@ix.netcom.com>
> |:| > |:| Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 1999 1:23 PM
> |:| > |:| To: Movies Mailing List
> |:| > |:| Subject: Re: [MV] once again - phantom menace
> |:| > |:|
> |:| > |:|
> |:| > |:| > I've seen it 4 times, and I'm convinced that the
> |:| > |:| force fields that separate
> |:| > |:| > Maul and the Jedi (how do you pluralize them?) is
> |:| > |:| there to prevent anyone
> |:| > |:| > from running right through the corridor and falling
> |:| > |:| into the giant hole.
> |:| > |:| > Why else would they be there? Any comments?
> |:| > |:|
> |:| > |:| I think it's dangerous to try and rationalize too much
> |:| > |:| of the aesthetics
> |:| > |:| of the Star Wars movies. Why are there pits at all?
> |:| > |:| How can Coruscant
> |:| > |:| function without any nature? What did Luke
> |:| just happen
> |:| > |:| to grab on to
> |:| > |:| after jumping off the (...what is that? a giant ear?)
> |:| > |:| at the end of
> |:| > |:| Empire? I think certain things in the Star Wars
> |:| > |:| universe are done
> |:| > |:| purely because they look so cool and work
> |:| well with the
> |:| > |:| story. The
> |:| > |:| force fields, in my opinion, are nothing more than a
> |:| > |:| device to add
> |:| > |:| dramatic tension and to highlight the differing
> |:| > |:| characteristics of the
> |:| > |:| three Jedis (Qui-Gon: calm and meditative; Maul:
> |:| > |:| patient but prowling;
> |:| > |:| Obi-Wan: anxious and aggitated).
> |:| > |:|
> |:| > |:| Peter Heidenreich
> |:| > |:|
> |:| > |:|
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 16:24:16 -0500
From: "Tonya =)" <scoobygirl@bedford.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] Some random thoughts about Matrix, Phantom Menace, and Titanic
I have a few comments on Titanic......
I love this movie very much! I hated to jump on the "Titanic Bandwagon",
but it was too hard! I thought it was too good to not like. I think that
most people like it because they wish that things like that would happen to
them or that they think the story is just so romantic. However, I really
don't think that a person (aka Rose) could fall so much in love with
someone (aka Jack) in just a day or two so much to where they change major
life decisions! That is the major flaw with this movie.....everything just
happens too fast!
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:05:18 -0600
From: "The Reporter" <gregorys@xmission.com>
Subject: [MV] Star Wars as Fascism?
http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/1999/06/15/brin_main/index.html
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 17:26:54 -0600
From: "The Reporter" <gregorys@xmission.com>
Subject: [MV] Episode II (or III) Rumor
I got this piece of information third hand (or worse) from someone
supposedly on the inside. Take it with a grain of salt and laugh it
off, but tuck it away somewhere in the back of your head so that if
it turns out to be true, you'll know you heard it here first.
Darth Maul returns in one of the next two flicks. Whether as half or
whole remains to be seen.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:47:05 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <bcassidy@usaor.net>
Subject: Re: [MV] Episode II (or III) Rumor
At 05.26 PM 15/06/99 -0600, The Reporter wrote:
>I got this piece of information third hand (or worse) from someone
>supposedly on the inside. Take it with a grain of salt and laugh it
>off, but tuck it away somewhere in the back of your head so that if
>it turns out to be true, you'll know you heard it here first.
>
>Darth Maul returns in one of the next two flicks. Whether as half or
>whole remains to be seen.
This is news??:-)
I say that because we were recently discussing on another list how, in
Science Fiction, no one seems to have to stay dead.
Case in point, Spock was D-E-A-D dead in Star Trek 2, yet managed a
miraclous recovery. (Yes, the subject came up due to DeForest Kelley's
recent passing)
I sort of expect Darth Maul to rear his ugly face again along the line.
(Hell, considering the family tree, ya gotta wonder WHO he ends up related
to:-)
Regards,
- --Mel
- --Mel Eperthener
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 06:16:03 +0200
From: Lillian Lepinath <q9303210@topaz.cqu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: [MV] Episode II (or III) Rumor
Mel Eperthener wrote:
>
>
> I sort of expect Darth Maul to rear his ugly face again along the line.
>
> (Hell, considering the family tree, ya gotta wonder WHO he ends up related
> to:-)
>
I think this sort of saga would be a bit boring if there wasn't a
bizarre family tree - I mean, family secrets, skeletons in the cupboard
(or black PVC, if you prefer), backstabbing, double crossing, family
dissension, rivaling loyalties.... isn't that how all families operate? ;)
Maybe someone can answer this for me, though. I was just thinking of
Ep. 4, when Luke finds out that Obi-wan knows his father... he's really
excited about that (for some strange reason... gee, I wonder why?), but
as far as I can remember, he never asks about his mother? I know in Ep.
6 he talks to Leia about her/their mother and says "I never knew my
mother" but doesn't seem at all curious about her during Ep 4 & 5 - does
anyone have an explanation for this?
Teck
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 23:28:54 -0500
From: torq@mo.net
Subject: Re: [MV] Episode II (or III) Rumor
At 06:16 AM 6/16/99 +0200, Lillian Lepinath wrote:
>Maybe someone can answer this for me, though. I was just thinking of
>Ep. 4, when Luke finds out that Obi-wan knows his father... he's really
>excited about that (for some strange reason... gee, I wonder why?), but
>as far as I can remember, he never asks about his mother? I know in Ep.
>6 he talks to Leia about her/their mother and says "I never knew my
>mother" but doesn't seem at all curious about her during Ep 4 & 5 - does
>anyone have an explanation for this?
my guess would be two reasons: 1) the whole star wars saga has a very
masculine way about it, and so it would fit into that for luke to be much
more interested in what happened to his father, as opposed to his mother,
since a father would (presumably) be much more important in a son's life in
this universe. 2 and more importantly) there's no real indication, from
luke's perspective, that luke's mother was anything spectacular. it hadnt
been brought out in the story yet that he had a sister (more specifically,
a princess sister - meaning his mother would presumably be a queen). and
plus, he knew, from his uncle, that his father fought in the clone wars,
did lots of neat stuff, etc. etc. etc. (although, of course, his uncle
didnt tell him his father was a jedi, and didnt tell him his father went
baddie).
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:43:52 +0000 (GMT)
From: magicpatrick@youpy.fr
Subject: Re: [MV] Episode II (or III) Rumor *
Please,
indicate if your message gives secrets about the Phantom Menace because I haven't seen it & I won't before October 1999 (Release in France).
Just add this "*" to the subject of the message, just as I did.
No offence,
Thanks for your understanding,
Patrick
Mon email gratuit, c'est Youpy.
Pour en savoir plus : http://www.youpy.fr
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:07:05 +0100
From: "Gerald Taylor" <geeg@vossnet.co.uk>
Subject: [MV] Re: [MovieReview] Jedi warrior code (slight spoiler)
April Via wrote------
>Not meaning to rude, but Qui-Gon fleed the fight with Darth Maul in order
to
>protect Queen Amidala and get her away from the scene as fast as possible.
Why? What was the rush to escape one attacker when two highly trained Jedi
knights and numerous other crew members were there. Darth Maul was totally
outnumbered and surely it is honourable to fight one on one to the death
when challenged.
Over to you!
Gerry T.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 16:07:08 +0100
From: "Gerald Taylor" <geeg@vossnet.co.uk>
Subject: [MV] Movies that have not been made.....
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Gerry T.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 12:30:53 -0400
From: Enrique Bird <ebird@gmgroup.com>
Subject: RE: [MV] Movies that have not been made.....
Gerald,
Good choice!
I should also have mentioned in my original post the John Carter of Mars
trilogy, including the story from A Princess of Mars,The Gods of Mars, and
The Warlord of Mars by, of course, Edgar Rice Burroughs.
Enrique Bird
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gerald Taylor [SMTP:geeg@vossnet.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 11:07 AM
> To: movies@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: [MV] Movies that have not been made.....
>
> What of Alan Moore's "The watchmen"? They had plans to make it but they
> fell through. This would be great as a film as it potrays superheroes as
> humans......every character has his weaknesses and flaws and it was one of
> the graphic novels that truly changed the world of comics.
> Cheers
> Gerry T.
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 11:05:06 -0700
From: "Romero, Leticia" <lromero@saonet.ucla.edu>
Subject: [MV] FW: A fun tidbit from my audiophile friend Paul
We won!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Stormoen [SMTP:erics@landmark-theatres.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 11:05 AM
> To: Robert Woods
> Cc: Leticia Romero (E-mail)
> Subject: A fun tidbit from my audiophile friend Paul
>
> Digital Video Express, LP to Discontinue Operations
>
> HERNDON, Va., June 16 /PRNewswire/ -- Digital Video Express, LP announced
> today that it will cease marketing of the Divx home video system and
> discontinue operations, but existing, registered customers will be able to
>
> view discs during a two-year phase-out period.
>
> "Sales at participating Divx retailers reflect strong consumer interest in
>
> the Divx feature," said Richard L. Sharp, chairman and chief executive
> officer of Digital Video Express and of Circuit City Stores, Inc. (NYSE:
> CC,
>
> KMX), the majority partner in the Digital Video Express venture. "The
> majority of customers purchasing DVD players in Circuit City stores have
> selected players that include the Divx option. Unfortunately, we have been
>
> unable to obtain adequate support from studios and other retailers.
> Despite
> the significant consumer enthusiasm, we cannot create a viable business
> without support in these essential areas."
>
> Digital Video Express will provide a $100 cash rebate to all consumers who
>
> purchased Divx-enhanced players prior to June 16, 1999. Rebate forms will
> be
>
> available at http://www.divx.com, participating retailers and by calling
> 1-888-639-DIVX. The rebate will ensure that no Divx customers have paid
> more
>
> for the Divx-featured player than they would have paid for the least
> expensive, comparable DVD player available at the time of their purchase.
> All
> Divx-featured DVD players are fully functional DVD players and will
> continue
>
> to operate as such. All Divx discs, including those previously purchased
> by
> consumers and those remaining in retailer inventories, can be viewed on
> registered players anytime between now and June 30, 2001. Subsequent
> viewings
> also will be available during that period. Discs can no longer be upgraded
> to
> unlimited viewing, known as Divx Silver. Customers who have converted
> discs
> to Divx Silver can continue viewing the discs until June 30, 2001, or can
> receive a full refund of the conversion price at their request. Divx
> expects
>
> to provide registered owners with written notification of the details
> related
> to the system phase-out. Effective today, Divx will no longer register new
>
> customers.
>
> "We want to thank all our existing Divx customers and regret that this
> decision was necessary," Sharp said. "We hope to work closely with all
> Divx
> retailers and customers to ensure that the closure process is as simple as
>
> possible."
>
> Circuit City Stores, Inc. is incurring an after-tax loss of $114.0 million
>
> related to the disposal of the Divx business. The loss includes provisions
>
> for commitments under licensing agreements with motion picture
> distributors,
>
> the write down of assets to net realizable value, lease termination cost,
> employee severance and benefit cost and other contractual commitments.
>
> "I especially want to recognize all of our Divx Associates, who developed
> a
> terrific product that has performed flawlessly for our customers," said
> Sharp. "These individuals have put in countless hours from the early
> stages
> of the product's development through market introduction and the early
> operating phase. They have delivered exceptional customer service, and I
> cannot thank them enough for the talent, commitment and dedication they
> have
>
> given to this project."
>
> Digital Video Express, LP is a partnership between Circuit City Stores,
> Inc.
>
> and a prominent Los Angeles entertainment law firm [Ziffren, Brittenham,
> Branca & Fischer, LLP. --Paul].
>
> This release contains forward-looking statements, which are subject to
> risks
>
> and uncertainties, including, but not limited to, risks associated with
> the
> development of new business concepts and risks associated with year 2000
> issues. Additional discussion of factors that could cause actual results
> to
> differ materially from management's projections, forecasts, estimates and
> expectations is contained in the SEC filings for Circuit City Stores, Inc.
>
>
> SOURCE Digital Video Express, LP
> Web Site: http://www.circuitcity.com
>
>
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