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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 08:29:39 -0700 (MST)
From: Scott Renshaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] REVIEW: IN DREAMS

IN DREAMS
(DreamWorks)
Starring:  Annette Bening, Aidan Quinn, Stephen Rea, Robert Downey Jr.
Screenplay:  Bruce Robinson and Neil Jordan, based on the novel "Doll's
Eyes" by Bari Wood.
Producer:  Stephen Woolley.
Director:  Neil Jordan.
MPAA Rating:  R (violence, profanity, sexual situations, adult themes)
Running Time:  102 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

     Somehow, there's something even more icky about an exploitative and
routine horror film that tarts up its exploitation and routineness with
plenty of style.  Such is the case with Neil Jordan's IN DREAMS, a
psychological thriller which lets its atmospheric creepiness disintegrate
into a trite chase-n-terrorize puree.  Annette Bening stars as Claire
Cooper, a Massachusetts-based children's book illustrator with a
picture-book life: lovely rural New England home, loving husband Paul
(Aidan Quinn), beautiful young daughter Rebecca (Katie Sagora) and loyal
dog Dobie.  She also posesses a spark of psychic ability which she has had
all her life, one which seems to be getting stronger as she has visions
connected to the disappearance of a local schoolgirl.  Then Rebecca is
abducted, and Claire comes to believe that she is psychically connected to
a serial killer -- and that the killer is similarly connected to her.

     For a while, it looks like IN DREAMS is going to be a thriller of a
different stripe, something as dramatically and visually compelling as it
is viscerally shocking.  Darius Khondji, the gifted cinematographer behind
SEVEN, gives IN DREAMS the same menacing silver tint and twisted light,
including an eerie opening underwater sequence in a submerged town.  The
story takes Claire on a descent into genuine madness, the kind that makes
a character truly unpredictable and interesting to watch.  Bening is a
superb actress, and she makes the most of Claire fumbling for answers with
the last shreds of her sanity.  The script also presents the idea that the
killer is a tormented soul who wants Claire to catch him, setting up a
potentially complex relationship when they finally do meet.

     Gradually, however, IN DREAMS starts to lose its way.  Partly it
seems rushed, with scenes slammed together too quickly to develop the
necessary foreboding.  Partly it seems sloppy, increasingly depending on
ridiculous contrivances (Claire being confined in exactly the same room
once occupied by the killer, for instance) and the blandly
counter-productive analysis of Claire's psychiatrist (Jordan regular
Stephen Rea, sporting a distracting accent).  And partly it seems
mean-spirited, using graphic murders for shock value or imperiled children
for sympathy value, rather than building interest in the characters.  Over
its final 45 minutes, IN DREAMS begins a slow but steady descent from
potent psychological thriller to careless mess.

     And then, when Robert Downey Jr. finally appears as the killer
Vivian, it careens out of control entirely.  Decked out in flowing red
tresses and whispering in an effeminate drawl, Downey exercises every
ghastly overacting muscle in his body simultaneously.  To be fair to
Downey, the role is a serial killer cliche -- he's a Norman Bates momma's
boy with _serious_ gender role issues -- without a remotely sympathetic
quality, dashing hopes of a mind-game showdown into the rocks.  Instead
it's all guns and sharp objects, running and screaming, until a bleak,
unsatisfying and confounding resolution.  It's a huge disappointment
coming from Neil Jordan, a film-maker who has consistently made films that
defied expectations -- THE COMPANY OF WOLVES, THE CRYING GAME, THE BUTCHER
BOY.  In a sad way, that's exactly what he does here.  Just when you
expect IN DREAMS might turn out to be a memorably disturbing horror film,
it turns out to be a gutless, nihilistic tease.

    On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 daydream believers:  4.

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:36:35 -0600
From: wade snider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] REVIEW: IN DREAMS

Sounds kinda like that movie Hideaway...

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IN DREAMS
(DreamWorks)
Starring:  Annette Bening, Aidan Quinn, Stephen Rea, Robert Downey Jr.
Screenplay:  Bruce Robinson and Neil Jordan, based on the novel "Doll's
Eyes" by Bari Wood.
Producer:  Stephen Woolley.
Director:  Neil Jordan.
MPAA Rating:  R (violence, profanity, sexual situations, adult themes)
Running Time:  102 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

     Somehow, there's something even more icky about an exploitative and
routine horror film that tarts up its exploitation and routineness with
plenty of style.  Such is the case with Neil Jordan's IN DREAMS, a
psychological thriller which lets its atmospheric creepiness disintegrate
into a trite chase-n-terrorize puree.  Annette Bening stars as Claire
Cooper, a Massachusetts-based children's book illustrator with a
picture-book life: lovely rural New England home, loving husband Paul
(Aidan Quinn), beautiful young daughter Rebecca (Katie Sagora) and loyal
dog Dobie.  She also posesses a spark of psychic ability which she has had
all her life, one which seems to be getting stronger as she has visions
connected to the disappearance of a local schoolgirl.  Then Rebecca is
abducted, and Claire comes to believe that she is psychically connected to
a serial killer -- and that the killer is similarly connected to her.

     For a while, it looks like IN DREAMS is going to be a thriller of a
different stripe, something as dramatically and visually compelling as it
is viscerally shocking.  Darius Khondji, the gifted cinematographer behind
SEVEN, gives IN DREAMS the same menacing silver tint and twisted light,
including an eerie opening underwater sequence in a submerged town.  The
story takes Claire on a descent into genuine madness, the kind that makes
a character truly unpredictable and interesting to watch.  Bening is a
superb actress, and she makes the most of Claire fumbling for answers with
the last shreds of her sanity.  The script also presents the idea that the
killer is a tormented soul who wants Claire to catch him, setting up a
potentially complex relationship when they finally do meet.

     Gradually, however, IN DREAMS starts to lose its way.  Partly it
seems rushed, with scenes slammed together too quickly to develop the
necessary foreboding.  Partly it seems sloppy, increasingly depending on
ridiculous contrivances (Claire being confined in exactly the same room
once occupied by the killer, for instance) and the blandly
counter-productive analysis of Claire's psychiatrist (Jordan regular
Stephen Rea, sporting a distracting accent).  And partly it seems
mean-spirited, using graphic murders for shock value or imperiled children
for sympathy value, rather than building interest in the characters.  Over
its final 45 minutes, IN DREAMS begins a slow but steady descent from
potent psychological thriller to careless mess.

     And then, when Robert Downey Jr. finally appears as the killer
Vivian, it careens out of control entirely.  Decked out in flowing red
tresses and whispering in an effeminate drawl, Downey exercises every
ghastly overacting muscle in his body simultaneously.  To be fair to
Downey, the role is a serial killer cliche -- he's a Norman Bates momma's
boy with _serious_ gender role issues -- without a remotely sympathetic
quality, dashing hopes of a mind-game showdown into the rocks.  Instead
it's all guns and sharp objects, running and screaming, until a bleak,
unsatisfying and confounding resolution.  It's a huge disappointment
coming from Neil Jordan, a film-maker who has consistently made films that
defied expectations -- THE COMPANY OF WOLVES, THE CRYING GAME, THE BUTCHER
BOY.  In a sad way, that's exactly what he does here.  Just when you
expect IN DREAMS might turn out to be a memorably disturbing horror film,
it turns out to be a gutless, nihilistic tease.

    On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 daydream believers:  4.

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:15:57 -0800
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Bad Movies -Reply -Reply -Reply

The original was "Rope" By Hitchock starring Jimmy Stewart.  It is
shot in something like 20 minute uninterrupted takes.  They had
sliding walls to accomodate the camera dolly.  You should check it
out.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:20:12 -0800
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Bad Movies -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply

The important thing to remember is that Wag the Dog was a dark comedy.
 The goal of a dark comedy is to make you laugh and cringe
simultaneously.  I can see how some people wouldn't like that.  The
failing of Very Bad things was that it forgot to make you laugh.

So Armegedden keeps showing up as people's favorite movie.  I am at a
complete loss since I found it so appalling.  Of course boxoffice does
not indicate the quality of a film unless you consider Citizen Kane to
be crap and Mrs. Doubtfire to be a masterpiece.

An interesting development from last year was my favorite action
flicks seemed to have Black leads.  Blade, Rush Hour and Enemy of the
State were all movies that traditionally would have a white hero.  Its
a healthy development.

Most disappointing movie was Slums of Beverly Hills.

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:28:47 -0600
From: wade snider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Bad Movies -Reply -Reply -Reply

I've seen it. the only reason Hitchcock even had takes was because he had
to change the film since the camera could only hold a few minutes worth of
film at a time; and he does it in such a way that he tries to hide the
cuts.. be it a shadow in a hallway or an extreme closeup of someones back
or something. If he had had access to today's technology, I'm sure he would
have gone for the whole thing in one shot. I think it was more like 8
minute takes if I remember right though.

How about the introductory scene to Touch of Evil. Very cool shot. the
movie was so-so, but then again the studio at the time edited in a way that
Welles didn't like.


>The original was "Rope" By Hitchock starring Jimmy Stewart.  It is
>shot in something like 20 minute uninterrupted takes.  They had
>sliding walls to accomodate the camera dolly.  You should check it
>out.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:34:27 -0800
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Bad Movies -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply

One of my favorites is the nightclub scene in Goodfellows where they
enter through the back door and travel through the kitchen.

Swingers did a very funny parody of that as well as other movies.

Oh, the Xfiles episode was cool.

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:17:14 -0800
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Bad Movies -Reply -Reply -Reply

Except for the extended rehearsal time required.  Those crews don't
come cheap!

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:02:01 -0800
From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Bad Movies -Reply -Reply

Check out any one of Brian Depalma's later movies...

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> From:    Jason Cormier [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Monday, January 11, 1999 11:53 PM
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>
> Did you guys see the episode of X-Files that used this technique?  It was
> this season and it was phenominal!!  Each segment was one shot - and the
> music was very fast paced which helped in the entire feel of the episode
> which took place on a ship in the Bermuda Triangle which thought it was
> still in the 1940's.  Great episode.  Also the beginning of the Player
> uses
> this technique while two producers are complaining that movies nowadays
> are
> cut, cut, cut... very funny!  Anyone know any more movies that use very
> long
> takes?  I find it interesting as it is similar to watching a play.
>
>
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> From: wade snider <[e-mail]>
> To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
> Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 12:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [MV] Bad Movies -Reply -Reply
>
>
> >
> >>I thought the opening was great for only one reason and that was for
> >>DePalma's ongoing goal to have the most elaborate and talked about
> >>steadycam shot of the year.  I have loved his movies when his
> >>technique added to the story but to me nothing he did in Snake Eyes
> >>did that.
> >
> >I think DePalma is trying to create the most talked about and longest
> take
> >ever. He seems to attack that goal with a personal vengance in Snake
> Eyes.
> >i thought the opening take was very good for another reason, but one the
> >rest of the movie failed upon. The opening take establishes the
> whereabouts
> >and situations of all the main characters. You see bits and pieces of the
> >various supporting characters, and in the later flashbacks you get the
> >various charatcers' descriptions of what they were doing and when. The
> >interesting thing is that each flashback is a little different in style
> (be
> >it a point of view difference or split screen) and directly relates in
> some
> >fashion to the events we saw in that opening take. The structure is great
> >in this movie. but the plot was SO dumb, and the acting was sad. I think
> >that if the story had not been so lame, people would have talked about
> his
> >technique over and over to this day. Much more so than our mutterings
> here.
> >
> >There was one shot where the camera tracked over several
> >>hotel rooms that was a complete bore.  In Bonfire of the Vanities he
> >>opened with a gigantic shot and followed with a complete bomb.
> >
> >
> >I liked that tracking shot. There are some real complicated shots, too.
> >There was a shot where that girl is walking real hurridly being followed,
> >and then after a long pan, the shot lands on Cage waaayyyyy on the other
> >side of the casino. I also liked how DePalma seemed to make you think a
> >character was walking through a particualr place or about to knock on a
> >door that would give up a good guy, but it was really just the way he had
> >aranged the shots.. to disorient you somewhat. I liked most of Bonfire of
> >the Vanities, but yeah, I didn't think it was that great of a movie.
> There
> >are one or two fairly long and complicated shots in Carlito's Way,
> >especially the one in the train station. Maybe not that long, but great.
> >
> >
> >>Don't you wish he could regain the brilliance of Body Double or The
> >>Untouchables?  Even when he was cribbing from previous movies it
> >>seemed to work.
> >
> >He is the master at doing that. My personal fav. of his is The
> >Untouchables, but after that, I love Carlito's Way. even his older stuff,
> >like Carrie or Blow Out is fairly fun to watch.......   I think the next
> >project of his the Howard Hughes biopic, starring Nick Cage. Well, i
> heard
> >that someplace.
> >
> >Wade
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:32:38 -0800
From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] REVIEW: IN DREAMS

I'll bet he didn't like SEVEN either....

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Scott Renshaw [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Tuesday, January 12, 1999 7:30 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    [MV] REVIEW: IN DREAMS
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> IN DREAMS
> (DreamWorks)
> Starring:  Annette Bening, Aidan Quinn, Stephen Rea, Robert Downey Jr.
> Screenplay:  Bruce Robinson and Neil Jordan, based on the novel "Doll's
> Eyes" by Bari Wood.
> Producer:  Stephen Woolley.
> Director:  Neil Jordan.
> MPAA Rating:  R (violence, profanity, sexual situations, adult themes)
> Running Time:  102 minutes.
> Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.
>
>      Somehow, there's something even more icky about an exploitative and
> routine horror film that tarts up its exploitation and routineness with
> plenty of style.  Such is the case with Neil Jordan's IN DREAMS, a
> psychological thriller which lets its atmospheric creepiness disintegrate
> into a trite chase-n-terrorize puree.  Annette Bening stars as Claire
> Cooper, a Massachusetts-based children's book illustrator with a
> picture-book life: lovely rural New England home, loving husband Paul
> (Aidan Quinn), beautiful young daughter Rebecca (Katie Sagora) and loyal
> dog Dobie.  She also posesses a spark of psychic ability which she has had
> all her life, one which seems to be getting stronger as she has visions
> connected to the disappearance of a local schoolgirl.  Then Rebecca is
> abducted, and Claire comes to believe that she is psychically connected to
> a serial killer -- and that the killer is similarly connected to her.
>
>      For a while, it looks like IN DREAMS is going to be a thriller of a
> different stripe, something as dramatically and visually compelling as it
> is viscerally shocking.  Darius Khondji, the gifted cinematographer behind
> SEVEN, gives IN DREAMS the same menacing silver tint and twisted light,
> including an eerie opening underwater sequence in a submerged town.  The
> story takes Claire on a descent into genuine madness, the kind that makes
> a character truly unpredictable and interesting to watch.  Bening is a
> superb actress, and she makes the most of Claire fumbling for answers with
> the last shreds of her sanity.  The script also presents the idea that the
> killer is a tormented soul who wants Claire to catch him, setting up a
> potentially complex relationship when they finally do meet.
>
>      Gradually, however, IN DREAMS starts to lose its way.  Partly it
> seems rushed, with scenes slammed together too quickly to develop the
> necessary foreboding.  Partly it seems sloppy, increasingly depending on
> ridiculous contrivances (Claire being confined in exactly the same room
> once occupied by the killer, for instance) and the blandly
> counter-productive analysis of Claire's psychiatrist (Jordan regular
> Stephen Rea, sporting a distracting accent).  And partly it seems
> mean-spirited, using graphic murders for shock value or imperiled children
> for sympathy value, rather than building interest in the characters.  Over
> its final 45 minutes, IN DREAMS begins a slow but steady descent from
> potent psychological thriller to careless mess.
>
>      And then, when Robert Downey Jr. finally appears as the killer
> Vivian, it careens out of control entirely.  Decked out in flowing red
> tresses and whispering in an effeminate drawl, Downey exercises every
> ghastly overacting muscle in his body simultaneously.  To be fair to
> Downey, the role is a serial killer cliche -- he's a Norman Bates momma's
> boy with _serious_ gender role issues -- without a remotely sympathetic
> quality, dashing hopes of a mind-game showdown into the rocks.  Instead,
> it's all guns and sharp objects, running and screaming, until a bleak,
> unsatisfying and confounding resolution.  It's a huge disappointment
> coming from Neil Jordan, a film-maker who has consistently made films that
> defied expectations -- THE COMPANY OF WOLVES, THE CRYING GAME, THE BUTCHER
> BOY.  In a sad way, that's exactly what he does here.  Just when you
> expect IN DREAMS might turn out to be a memorably disturbing horror film,
> it turns out to be a gutless, nihilistic tease.
>
>     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 daydream believers:  4.
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:33:07 -0800
From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Recall: [MV] REVIEW: IN DREAMS

Romero, Leticia would like to recall the message, "[MV] REVIEW: IN DREAMS".

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:18:14 -0600
From: wade snider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] REVIEW: IN DREAMS

He gave 7 a 7 in his scale.... He has a pretty thick homepage...

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I'll bet he didn't like SEVEN either....

> -----Original Message-----
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>
> IN DREAMS
> (DreamWorks)
> Starring:  Annette Bening, Aidan Quinn, Stephen Rea, Robert Downey Jr.
> Screenplay:  Bruce Robinson and Neil Jordan, based on the novel "Doll's
> Eyes" by Bari Wood.
> Producer:  Stephen Woolley.
> Director:  Neil Jordan.
> MPAA Rating:  R (violence, profanity, sexual situations, adult themes)
> Running Time:  102 minutes.
> Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.
>
>      Somehow, there's something even more icky about an exploitative and
> routine horror film that tarts up its exploitation and routineness with
> plenty of style.  Such is the case with Neil Jordan's IN DREAMS, a
> psychological thriller which lets its atmospheric creepiness disintegrate
> into a trite chase-n-terrorize puree.  Annette Bening stars as Claire
> Cooper, a Massachusetts-based children's book illustrator with a
> picture-book life: lovely rural New England home, loving husband Paul
> (Aidan Quinn), beautiful young daughter Rebecca (Katie Sagora) and loyal
> dog Dobie.  She also posesses a spark of psychic ability which she has had
> all her life, one which seems to be getting stronger as she has visions
> connected to the disappearance of a local schoolgirl.  Then Rebecca is
> abducted, and Claire comes to believe that she is psychically connected to
> a serial killer -- and that the killer is similarly connected to her.
>
>      For a while, it looks like IN DREAMS is going to be a thriller of a
> different stripe, something as dramatically and visually compelling as it
> is viscerally shocking.  Darius Khondji, the gifted cinematographer behind
> SEVEN, gives IN DREAMS the same menacing silver tint and twisted light,
> including an eerie opening underwater sequence in a submerged town.  The
> story takes Claire on a descent into genuine madness, the kind that makes
> a character truly unpredictable and interesting to watch.  Bening is a
> superb actress, and she makes the most of Claire fumbling for answers with
> the last shreds of her sanity.  The script also presents the idea that the
> killer is a tormented soul who wants Claire to catch him, setting up a
> potentially complex relationship when they finally do meet.
>
>      Gradually, however, IN DREAMS starts to lose its way.  Partly it
> seems rushed, with scenes slammed together too quickly to develop the
> necessary foreboding.  Partly it seems sloppy, increasingly depending on
> ridiculous contrivances (Claire being confined in exactly the same room
> once occupied by the killer, for instance) and the blandly
> counter-productive analysis of Claire's psychiatrist (Jordan regular
> Stephen Rea, sporting a distracting accent).  And partly it seems
> mean-spirited, using graphic murders for shock value or imperiled children
> for sympathy value, rather than building interest in the characters.  Over
> its final 45 minutes, IN DREAMS begins a slow but steady descent from
> potent psychological thriller to careless mess.
>
>      And then, when Robert Downey Jr. finally appears as the killer
> Vivian, it careens out of control entirely.  Decked out in flowing red
> tresses and whispering in an effeminate drawl, Downey exercises every
> ghastly overacting muscle in his body simultaneously.  To be fair to
> Downey, the role is a serial killer cliche -- he's a Norman Bates momma's
> boy with _serious_ gender role issues -- without a remotely sympathetic
> quality, dashing hopes of a mind-game showdown into the rocks.  Instead,
> it's all guns and sharp objects, running and screaming, until a bleak,
> unsatisfying and confounding resolution.  It's a huge disappointment
> coming from Neil Jordan, a film-maker who has consistently made films that
> defied expectations -- THE COMPANY OF WOLVES, THE CRYING GAME, THE BUTCHER
> BOY.  In a sad way, that's exactly what he does here.  Just when you
> expect IN DREAMS might turn out to be a memorably disturbing horror film,
> it turns out to be a gutless, nihilistic tease.
>
>     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 daydream believers:  4.
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:38:10 -0800
From: "Jason Cormier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Bad Movies -Reply -Reply -Reply

Yeah - I totally forgot about that one - I did see it and enjoyed it.
Thanks for the reminder!

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>The original was "Rope" By Hitchock starring Jimmy Stewart.  It is
>shot in something like 20 minute uninterrupted takes.  They had
>sliding walls to accomodate the camera dolly.  You should check it
>out.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:39:36 -0800
From: "Jason Cormier" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Bad Movies -Reply -Reply -Reply

Yes the shot was supposed to be quiet and uninterrupted but they stuck the
opening score and the opening credits right over top of it all!  Annoying!
Thanks for another reminder!

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>
>I've seen it. the only reason Hitchcock even had takes was because he had
>to change the film since the camera could only hold a few minutes worth of
>film at a time; and he does it in such a way that he tries to hide the
>cuts.. be it a shadow in a hallway or an extreme closeup of someones back
>or something. If he had had access to today's technology, I'm sure he would
>have gone for the whole thing in one shot. I think it was more like 8
>minute takes if I remember right though.
>
>How about the introductory scene to Touch of Evil. Very cool shot. the
>movie was so-so, but then again the studio at the time edited in a way that
>Welles didn't like.
>
>
>>The original was "Rope" By Hitchock starring Jimmy Stewart.  It is
>>shot in something like 20 minute uninterrupted takes.  They had
>>sliding walls to accomodate the camera dolly.  You should check it
>>out.
>>bb
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:57:00 -0600
From: "Tonya " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Vampire movies

This one sure got plenty of responses. I figured I would add my 2 cents
worth.  I happen to really like The Lost Boys and Interview With the
Vampire (both of which have already been mentioned). I also liked a couple
that had a comedic twist to them. They are Tales From the Cript: Bordello
of Blood and Dracula: Dead and Loving It (not sure if that one was
mentioned yet or not). 'Bordello"  stars Corey Feldman and Angie Everhart.
It's pretty good if you have an hour and a half to waste.   The Dracula one
stars Leslie Nelson, so automatically you know that it has to be kind of
funny, most of his movies are.    Anyways, I definitely advise you to check
these 4 movies out.   Also, I haven't yet seen Blade, but the previews
looked really interesting, so if you get the chance, you might want to
check that one out too.

- -Tonya
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:01:35 -0600
From: "Tonya " <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Bad Movies

wade snider wrote:
<<< Knock Off      <---- second worst next to Avengers >>>

I definitely agree with you about Knock Off being terrible!  I went to see
this at the theater for a first date with this guy. I swear if I had been
with a friend or a family member  I would have gotten up and left. It was
so boring, plus part of it was foreign!  I hate subscripts!  Jean Claude
Van Damme should NOT have done this movie, it was a waste!

- -Tonya
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:57:26 -0700
From: jkrudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Vampire movies

Since humorous Vampire movies were brought up let us not forget Jim (James)
Carrey's role in ONCE BITTEN.  Also LOVE AT FIRST BITE which had one of my
favorite lines in a movie,  when George Hamilton says in his best Count
Dracula voice, "Creatures of the night...Shutup".

James K. Rudy


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This one sure got plenty of responses. I figured I would add my 2 cents
worth.  I happen to really like The Lost Boys and Interview With the
Vampire (both of which have already been mentioned). I also liked a couple
that had a comedic twist to them. They are Tales From the Cript: Bordello
of Blood and Dracula: Dead and Loving It (not sure if that one was
mentioned yet or not). 'Bordello"  stars Corey Feldman and Angie Everhart.
It's pretty good if you have an hour and a half to waste.   The Dracula one
stars Leslie Nelson, so automatically you know that it has to be kind of
funny, most of his movies are.    Anyways, I definitely advise you to check
these 4 movies out.   Also, I haven't yet seen Blade, but the previews
looked really interesting, so if you get the chance, you might want to
check that one out too.

- -Tonya
__________
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becomes a resentment, and then a true hatred that can go
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Date: 13 Jan 99 09:47:00 +0000
From: "ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Vamps

Since I seemed to start this conversation, I think I'll continue it.
Has anyone heard anything about a sequel to Interview with a Vampire.
I heard a while ago that Pitt was out, as he found it too
depressing(altogether AHHHHHHHHH), but Cruise is in.
Any comments?
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:52:20 -0600
From: cHriS <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] re: Vamps

Anto Byrne remarked:

"Since I seemed to start this conversation, I think I'll continue it.
Has anyone heard anything about a sequel to Interview with a Vampire.
I heard a while ago that Pitt was out, as he found it too
depressing(altogether AHHHHHHHHH), but Cruise is in. Any comments?"

I haven't heard anything about sequels, but it woud make sense considering
how popular the books are. My only request: bring back Antonio Bandares as
the vampire Armand! He was my favorite part of the whole movie and was
perfectly cast (in my opinion) for that role.

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Date: 13 Jan 99 13:56:41 +0000
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I agree. He waqs class in that role!
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Anto Byrne remarked:

"Since I seemed to start this conversation, I think I'll continue it.
Has anyone heard anything about a sequel to Interview with a Vampire.
I heard a while ago that Pitt was out, as he found it too
depressing(altogether AHHHHHHHHH), but Cruise is in. Any comments?"

I haven't heard anything about sequels, but it woud make sense considering
how popular the books are. My only request: bring back Antonio Bandares as
the vampire Armand! He was my favorite part of the whole movie and was
perfectly cast (in my opinion) for that role.

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:20:34 -0600
From: wade snider <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Bad Movies

Waste, yep. Well, Jean Claude was doped on cocaine when he made the movie,
so I hope that explains most of it.But given his recent past, I doubt it.
My wife and I thought it was pretty sad that the only thing we actually
liked in the movie was Rob Schneider, who is really not very funny. Can you
believe that the guy who wrote the screenplay is the same guy who penned
the first two Die Hards???? Yeesh. DeSouza hasn't written a good one since
then either. There were some interesting directions in the movie, some very
kewl shots and angles, typical of the HK movies that the director is well
known for overseas, but not so typical for American action flicks. Too bad
any glimmer of interest was wasted on this trash.

I am sorry you had to sit through a date at that movie. I am fortunate to
have only paid a rental charge as opposed to two tickets.

Wade



>wade snider wrote:
><<< Knock Off      <---- second worst next to Avengers >>>

>I definitely agree with you about Knock Off being terrible!  I went to see
>this at the theater for a first date with this guy. I swear if I had been
>with a friend or a family member  I would have gotten up and left. It was
>so boring, plus part of it was foreign!  I hate subscripts!  Jean Claude
>Van Damme should NOT have done this movie, it was a waste!

>-Tonya


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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:16:05 PST
From: "Chantal Rousseau" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Vampire movies

Have you ever seen "Possession" by Andrejd Zulawski.  It's an 8o' film
starring Isabelle Adjani and Sam Neil.  The atmosphere that Zulawski
created is sometimes unbearable but very effective.  Adjani gives an
incredible performance.  I even heard that she almost had a nervous
breakdown after shooting the film because of Zulawski's twisted ideas.
You have to see it to understand.  A must if you can find it.


>There's always those that many would quickly suggest...
>Hmm.. Salem's Lot, Dracula (the Lugosi original and the Coppola
version),
>Fright Night, Lost Boys, From Dusk til Dawn, the very old and creepy
>Nosferatu, the very recent but kind of cheap looking Night Flier (A
Stephen
>Kind adaption - as is Salem's Lot)...
>there are many more not on the tip of my tongue
>
>I know I'm skipping a lot.. (and not including the likely obvious Blade
and
>Vampires of this past year as you likely know of them)
>
>Wade
>>Does anyone know any Vampire films??
>>I'm looking for titles here folks!
>>Thanks & Regards,
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:51:22 -0800
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Bad Movies -Reply -Reply -Reply -Reply

>>> "Jason Cormier" <[e-mail]> - 1/12/99
I assume you are talking about Touch of Evil.  YOu probalby know that
the reedited version that was released last year removes the credits
etc.  It is a phenomenal scene and works.

6:39 PM >>>
Yes the shot was supposed to be quiet and uninterrupted but they
stuck the
opening score and the opening credits right over top of it all!
Annoying!
Thanks for another reminder!



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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:55:54 -0800
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Vampire movies -Reply

An interesting note about "Near Dark" (one of my favorite vampire or
even horror films) is that the kid vampire in it is directing a film
based on a novel he wrote.  I read this in the trades a couple of
days ago.

bb

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:58:21 -0800
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Vampire movies -Reply

Speaking of vampire comedies, the Fearless vbampire Killers was great
and I think was Sharon Tate's last role.  It was directed by and
starred Roman Polanski.  Very funny, scary and sexy.

bb

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:03:21 -0800
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] re: Vamps -Reply

I saw an interview with Anne Rice in which she said that they were
actively trying to get Cruise to participate in a sequel.  This was
especially interesting since she went on record during the original's
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:15:22 -0700
From: jkrudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] re: Vamps -Reply

<<<Sorry if this goes through twice.  I got an error saying my first one
could not go through so here I go again.>>>

I believe it was similar to the trepidation felt when they were trying to
cast Val Kilmer to play the part of Jim Morrison in THE DOORS.  They were
sitting around asking, "Isn't this the guy from Willow?" but when he got on
stage Val did his normal magic and was perfect for the role as Jim Morrison.
Anne Rice didn't want pretty boy Cruise to ruin her character Lastat, but he
did such a great job doing it, there could be no other.  I haven't read them
all, but I don't believe Brad Pitt's character is in the sequel she wrote.
That would explain why he wouldn't be in the movie.  Of course we all know
that a screenplay doesn't have to follow the book.

James K. Rudy


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I saw an interview with Anne Rice in which she said that they were
actively trying to get Cruise to participate in a sequel.  This was
especially interesting since she went on record during the original's
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Date: 13 Jan 99 17:19:19 +0000
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Apparently she said that she was very happy with him been chosen for the
role,
cause of his pretty boy image, however, after seeing the film, she took out
a
full page ad in the New York times apologising, and said that he was
brilliant!
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I saw an interview with Anne Rice in which she said that they were
actively trying to get Cruise to participate in a sequel.  This was
especially interesting since she went on record during the original's
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