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movies-digest        Tuesday, November 10 1998        Volume 02 : Number 129



[MV] Insurrection
Re: [MV] Insurrection
Re: [MV] Insurrection
Re: [MV] Insurrection
RE: [MV] Insurrection
Re: [MV] Insurrection
Re: [MV] Insurrection
Re: [MV] Insurrection  -Reply
RE: [MV] Insurrection  -Reply
Re: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives
[MV] Insurrection/the Enterprise
[MV] REVIEW: I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER
Re: [MV] Insurrection - Prime Directives
Re: [MV] Insurrection - Prime Directives
Re: [MV] Insurrection/the Enterprise
RE: [MV] Insurrection
RE: [MV] Insurrection
Re: [MV] Insurrection - Prime Directives
FW: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives
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RE: FW: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:56:40 -0700
From: jkrudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Insurrection

Well I thought that I was quite the Star Trek fan until my sister emailed me
and asked what I thought of the previews for Insurrection.  I replied that I
had not even heard of it, to which she replied, "Never heard of it!  What is
wrong with you!!!  It's the new STAR TREK movie that is coming out in
December."  So now I feel very dumb.  So what's the scoop on this movie?
When does it come out?  What's it about?  If anybody can fill me in I'd be
appreciative.

James K. Rudy


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 09:24:21 PST
From: Wade Snider  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Insurrection

This is not spoiler info, but if you don't want to know
any detail of the movie, don't read anymore!!! But, I don't
tell anything more than is stated in the trailer or on the
official website...










Where've ya been James?!?!?!   ;-)
Actually, there have been quite a few blurbs here and there about the movie
on various entertainment shows, such as ET. A lot of movie news websites
keep up with the status of the movie and the progress of it, you can find pics
and other goodies all over the web. There's even an official site somewhere.

The premise of the movie involves a planet, not in the Federation, that has
some sort of "fountain of youth" or some such thing, be it mineral resources
or whatever that somehow increases a lifespan and cures disease, or whatever.
I'm not entirely sure, but you get the message. I think the planet and its people
may have been isolated for a long time, and there is another race, belonging to the
Federation that is old and dying, and they want the resources of this planet to
save their own species.So, they try to capture this world. The crew of the
Enterprise has compassion for this world and its people so they violate the
Prime Directive and direct Starfleet orders by protecting this world and its people
from being taken over, fighting this race and Starfleet itself. Thus, the
title Insurrection.

It sounds like a really good movie. A lot of the pics I've seen are pretty good.
All the regular cast is in the movie, and they even supposedly shot but are leaving
out a cameo from the final cut at the movie's close with Quark in it. It's directed
by Frakes, who directed First Contact, for those who didn't know. Usually the odd
numbered films have the rep of being flops, but this one actually looks pretty
good. F. Murray Abraham plays the leader of the dying race, and supposedly there is
some ambiguity to the nature of the race, that is, they may not be evil, actually
a good people, simply desparate. Supposedly Abraham and Patrick Stewart have some
really good dialogue and get the chance to stretch their acting muscles. There was
also some discussion on movie news sites about there being a bubble bath scene
between Riker and Troi.. hahahahahahaha..really trivial but amusing for the ST fan.

The US release date is Dec. 11, I think. It may the 18th though. The teasers are
supposedly out in the theater, and the trailer may be, too or soon anyway. There
have been some descriptions of the trailer here and there.

Has anyone else seen the teaser yet? Or any of the trailer? I suppose that
some websites will have that, too.

I am looking forward to it myself...

Wade



>--- On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:56:40 -0700  jkrudy <[e-mail]> wrote:
>Well I thought that I was quite the Star Trek fan until my sister emailed me
>and asked what I thought of the previews for Insurrection.  I replied that I
>had not even heard of it, to which she replied, "Never heard of it!  What is
>wrong with you!!!  It's the new STAR TREK movie that is coming out in
>December."  So now I feel very dumb.  So what's the scoop on this movie?
>When does it come out?  What's it about?  If anybody can fill me in I'd be
>appreciative.

>James K. Rudy


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:45:16 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Insurrection

** Very Small Chance of Spoilers **

At 09:56 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>Well I thought that I was quite the Star Trek fan until my sister emailed me
>and asked what I thought of the previews for Insurrection.  I replied that I
>had not even heard of it, to which she replied, "Never heard of it!  What is
>wrong with you!!!  It's the new STAR TREK movie that is coming out in
>December."  So now I feel very dumb.  So what's the scoop on this movie?
>When does it come out?  What's it about?  If anybody can fill me in I'd be
>appreciative.

I can fill you in, but at least she didn't call you stupid.  And don't
worry I won't either.  Star Trek IX: Insurrection is the latest movie from
Paramount to feature the Next Generation cast, including Worf from DS9.  I
know the entire plot, so I won't spoil it for you.  But I will detail the
basic premise, some interesting rumors and historical notes, and give you
an opinion based on the script I've read:

There is a planet, where time is so slow, it actually causes regression for
those who land there.  A planet of near-eternal youth.  Well, that's
something everyone would like to have, and alien races are no different.
In order to protect the planet, the Federation steps in and sends in the
Enterprise.  Uh oh, seems the Enterprise was really sent by the Federation
for a secret reason, and once it's discovered by Picard and crew, he
commits an act of treason in order to air the secret.  Well, the Federation
isn't going to let THAT happen.

Will Picard and the Enterprise survive?  Will his crew fully support him?
What will the Enterprise find on the planet?  How will off-worlder's react
to this planet's unique time-changing features?  Only the movie will tell!!

Facts and Rumors: Every odd numbered Star Trek film (save the first one)
has been weak at the box office.  Every odd film has had a weak storyline,
or an edited storyline that can't tell the story with reduced budgets
(ST:V).  This will be the first Star Trek film where a romantic storyline
is introduced beyond the small sideline stories of ST:TMP and ST:IV.
Paramount is actually billing this as the first Star Trek "date" film.
Rumor has it that the movie continues to impress audiences with test
screenings, although the film has had more reshoots and increased SFX
sequences added to the movie.  The love story has been toned down, and
action (and budget) increased to offset what some audiences felt was
another slow Trek.  The character focus and development in this movie will
parallel the kind in ST:VIII, where we learn small interesting character
information developments, but not with the overbearing character focus of
ST:VII.

All in all, it sounds like a great movie.  Hope this helps.

Stardate: 12.11.98

Cheers,
Ryan
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Date: 10 Nov 98 15:41:35 +0000
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Jonathan Frakes directs it again. It is about(I think) a planet of eternal
youth that somehow threatens the survival of Earth, indirectly, as they are
a
peaceful people, and the Enterprise must go against the Federation to save
it.
It looks pretty cool. Someone tell me if I'm right or wrong!






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Well I thought that I was quite the Star Trek fan until my sister emailed me
and asked what I thought of the previews for Insurrection.  I replied that I
had not even heard of it, to which she replied, "Never heard of it!  What is
wrong with you!!!  It's the new STAR TREK movie that is coming out in
December."  So now I feel very dumb.  So what's the scoop on this movie?
When does it come out?  What's it about?  If anybody can fill me in I'd be
appreciative.

James K. Rudy


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:03:02 -0700
From: jkrudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Insurrection

"Where've ya been James?!?!?!   ;-)"

"I can fill you in, but at least she didn't call you stupid."

I sure wish I could say I was on some desert isle (with Cindy Crawford,
perhaps) but the fact remains I've been sitting securely in front of my
computer screen and was still clueless to this movie.  I do appreciate the
input, live long and prosper.  The movie sounds awesome!

James K. Rudy

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    To:    [e-mail]
    Subject:    Re: [MV] Insurrection

    ** Very Small Chance of Spoilers **

    At 09:56 11/10/98 , you wrote:
    >Well I thought that I was quite the Star Trek fan until my sister
emailed me
    >and asked what I thought of the previews for Insurrection.  I
replied that I
    >had not even heard of it, to which she replied, "Never heard of it!
What is
    >wrong with you!!!  It's the new STAR TREK movie that is coming out
in
    >December."  So now I feel very dumb.  So what's the scoop on this
movie?
    >When does it come out?  What's it about?  If anybody can fill me in
I'd be
    >appreciative.

    I can fill you in, but at least she didn't call you stupid.  And
don't
    worry I won't either.  Star Trek IX: Insurrection is the latest
movie from
    Paramount to feature the Next Generation cast, including Worf from
DS9.  I
    know the entire plot, so I won't spoil it for you.  But I will
detail the
    basic premise, some interesting rumors and historical notes, and
give you
    an opinion based on the script I've read:

    There is a planet, where time is so slow, it actually causes
regression for
    those who land there.  A planet of near-eternal youth.  Well, that's
    something everyone would like to have, and alien races are no
different.
    In order to protect the planet, the Federation steps in and sends in
the
    Enterprise.  Uh oh, seems the Enterprise was really sent by the
Federation
    for a secret reason, and once it's discovered by Picard and crew, he
    commits an act of treason in order to air the secret.  Well, the
Federation
    isn't going to let THAT happen.

    Will Picard and the Enterprise survive?  Will his crew fully support
him?
    What will the Enterprise find on the planet?  How will off-worlder's
react
    to this planet's unique time-changing features?  Only the movie will
tell!!

    Facts and Rumors: Every odd numbered Star Trek film (save the first
one)
    has been weak at the box office.  Every odd film has had a weak
storyline,
    or an edited storyline that can't tell the story with reduced
budgets
    (ST:V).  This will be the first Star Trek film where a romantic
storyline
    is introduced beyond the small sideline stories of ST:TMP and ST:IV.
    Paramount is actually billing this as the first Star Trek "date"
film.
    Rumor has it that the movie continues to impress audiences with test
    screenings, although the film has had more reshoots and increased
SFX
    sequences added to the movie.  The love story has been toned down,
and
    action (and budget) increased to offset what some audiences felt was
    another slow Trek.  The character focus and development in this
movie will
    parallel the kind in ST:VIII, where we learn small interesting
character
    information developments, but not with the overbearing character
focus of
    ST:VII.

    All in all, it sounds like a great movie.  Hope this helps.

    Stardate: 12.11.98

    Cheers,
    Ryan
    Intranet Specialist
    Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)
    Allen Systems Group
    http://www.asg.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:06:04 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Insurrection

At 12:24 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>Has anyone else seen the teaser yet? Or any of the trailer? I suppose that
>some websites will have that, too.

Wade,
    I have the trailer from both ET and the movie on my PC.  They are
available at a number of  "trailer parks" on the net.  If you have QT,
definitely worth seeing it.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 10:14:58 PST
From: Wade Snider  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Insurrection

Well, cool Ryan. I'd seen the teaser on the net, but only part of the
trailer on ET. I'll poke around and check it out.Thanks
Wade



>Has anyone else seen the teaser yet? Or any of the trailer? I suppose that
>some websites will have that, too.

Wade,
    I have the trailer from both ET and the movie on my PC.  They are
available at a number of  "trailer parks" on the net.  If you have QT,
definitely worth seeing it.

Ryan
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:29:43 -0800
From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Insurrection  -Reply

Is it just me or does the Enterprise crew disobey either Starfleet
Command or the Prime Directive in every movie?

You would think these guys would be in the brig by now.

bb

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:43:35 -0700
From: jkrudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Insurrection  -Reply

If the rebellion is successful the rebels are called heroes, if the
rebellion is unsuccessful the rebels are called criminals.  I'm quoting, but
I don't know from where, but you get the idea.

James K. Rudy

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    To:    [e-mail]
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    Is it just me or does the Enterprise crew disobey either Starfleet
    Command or the Prime Directive in every movie?

    You would think these guys would be in the brig by now.

    bb

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:47:47 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives

At 11:29 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>Is it just me or does the Enterprise crew disobey either Starfleet
>Command or the Prime Directive in every movie?

It's just you. :)  Here we go:

ST:TMP (no rule breakage) - Sent to save Earth from V'ger, supported by
Starfleet and the Federation
ST:TWOK (no rule breakage) - While surveying, Checkov gets captured by
Kahn, who goes on a rampage for revenge against Admiral Kirk.  Although
there is a mention of a previous rule breakage, Kirk's defeat of the
"no-win situation" simulation.
ST:TSFS - They break all the rules in this one, searching for Spock,
realizing the good of the one outweighs the good of the many.
ST:TVH (no rule breakage) - Travelling back in time to save the future,
they have the Federation's support.  Only Kirk is "punished" by Starfleet
and demoted to Captain at the end.
ST:TFF (no rule breakage) - Attempt to stop the takeover of the galaxy's
peace plant.  They screw up and, with no budget, make the worst Star Trek
feature ever.  Although the original script was very good, and a few great
scenes remain, mainly the campfire bookend scenes.  The music is some of
the best, and can be heard repeated in numerous movie trailers, and in
followup Trek pictures.
ST:TUC - Breaking them all again, in order to stop a madman's attempt to
disrupt the Kittomer Peace Accords (spelling?).
ST:G - Arguably one of the poorest ST outings, they only break a few rules
here and there, but no major PD rules.
ST:FC - The best ST film since TVH, arguably they only break the Prime
Directive (to not interfere), because the Borg are attempting to assimilate
Earth.  This will only ensure that it can be created in the future.  A
catch-22, I suppose.
ST:I - Major rule breakage.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:54:50 -0600
From: cHriS <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Insurrection/the Enterprise

I like the Trek films, but I wish they'd stop blowing up the Enterprise.
When was the last time the ship actually made it through a movie intact?
What version of the Enterprise are they on now? G? H? Sheesh...

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:10:52 -0700 (MST)
From: Scott Renshaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] REVIEW: I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER

I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER
(Columbia/Mandalay)
Starring:  Jennifer Love Hewitt, Brandy, Freddie Prinze Jr., Mekhi Phifer,
Matthew Settle, Muse Watson.
Screenplay:  Trey Callaway.
Producers:  Neal H. Moritz, Erik Feig, Stokely Chaffin and William S.
Beasley.
Director:  Danny Cannon.
MPAA Rating:  R (violence, profanity, drug use, adult themes)
Running Time:  96 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

     I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER seems like exactly the kind of
film at which SCREAM and SCREAM 2 took their satiric jabs.  In this sequel
to last fall's horror hit, Julie James (Jennifer Love Hewitt) is still
traumatized after surviving a killing spree by a gortex-clad, hook-handed,
vengeance-minded psycho (Muse Watson).  A year after the events in the
first film, she's terrorized again -- this time on a tropical holiday with
her college roommate Karla (Brandy), Karla's boyfriend Tyrell (Mekhi
Phifer) and a classmate named Will (Matthew Settle) with a crush on Julie
- -- in all the expected ways.  People begin dying in reverse credits order.
Shadowy figures flit across the background.  Small creatures dart out to
the accompaniment of blasts of music.  The electricity goes out.  The
killer moves...very...slowly towards potential victims.  And no matter how
violently the killer meets his apparent demise, he always turns up to
suggest yet another sequel.

     Aside from its chronologically-challenged title -- if this is
happening a year after the first film, shouldn't it be I STILL KNOW WHAT
YOU DID TWO SUMMERS AGO? -- I STILL KNOW SHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER is
constructed with an almost benign predictablity.  Yet in a way, that's the
appeal of the teen horror film.  There's nothing truly scary about the
film, nor was there ever intended to be.  It's a Halloween funhouse with
spaghetti for intestines and peeled grapes for human eyeballs.  There's
nothing dehumanizing about the way characters are gleefully dispatched,
because they're never meant to be any more human than a mannequin being
decapitated.  You scream because it's what you're supposed to do, and you
laugh about it afterwards.

     That doesn't make it any more fun for the average viewer of voting
age to watch a film where you can identify every twist or turn several
minutes before it happens.  This is the kind of film you go to for only
one reason:  you're a teenager, you're on a date, and you're ready for an
excuse to grip someone tightly.  You're not going for the chance to see
Jeffrey Combs' demented turn as a hotel manager with an attitude.  You're
not going to care about the inane attempts to give our protagonists actual
personalities.  You're certainly not going to care about the silly
dialogue, or the less-than-terrifying prospect of Julie becoming an
ultraviolet McNugget while locked into a tanning bed.  You'll pay your
money for a hug and a shriek, and you'll get exactly what you pay for.

     If I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER didn't feel as long as its
title by the time the credits finally roll, it might have warranted even
more slack.  After all, it's a genre film doing what a genre film is made
to do.  It's also a film which feels blasted into production on a shaky
premise with virtually no attempt at creating a quality product.  It might
seem strange to see a film like this after SCREAM turned its kind into
comic relief, but there's still an audience for this sort of grind-it-out
funhouse ride.  I'm not it, but you know who you are.

     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 endless summers:  4.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 11:17:59 PST
From: Wade Snider  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Insurrection - Prime Directives

Hahaha.. what a good list you've got. Note that in ST:FC Picard
disobeyed direct Starfleet orders and attacked the Borg when it was
near Earth, that's before they went back in time...not a PD rule,
but actually direct insubordination if you think about it.


- --- On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:47:47 -0500  Ryan Allen <[e-mail]> wrote:
At 11:29 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>Is it just me or does the Enterprise crew disobey either Starfleet
>Command or the Prime Directive in every movie?

It's just you. :)  Here we go:

ST:TMP (no rule breakage) - Sent to save Earth from V'ger, supported by
Starfleet and the Federation
ST:TWOK (no rule breakage) - While surveying, Checkov gets captured by
Kahn, who goes on a rampage for revenge against Admiral Kirk.  Although
there is a mention of a previous rule breakage, Kirk's defeat of the
"no-win situation" simulation.
ST:TSFS - They break all the rules in this one, searching for Spock,
realizing the good of the one outweighs the good of the many.
ST:TVH (no rule breakage) - Travelling back in time to save the future,
they have the Federation's support.  Only Kirk is "punished" by Starfleet
and demoted to Captain at the end.
ST:TFF (no rule breakage) - Attempt to stop the takeover of the galaxy's
peace plant.  They screw up and, with no budget, make the worst Star Trek
feature ever.  Although the original script was very good, and a few great
scenes remain, mainly the campfire bookend scenes.  The music is some of
the best, and can be heard repeated in numerous movie trailers, and in
followup Trek pictures.
ST:TUC - Breaking them all again, in order to stop a madman's attempt to
disrupt the Kittomer Peace Accords (spelling?).
ST:G - Arguably one of the poorest ST outings, they only break a few rules
here and there, but no major PD rules.
ST:FC - The best ST film since TVH, arguably they only break the Prime
Directive (to not interfere), because the Borg are attempting to assimilate
Earth.  This will only ensure that it can be created in the future.  A
catch-22, I suppose.
ST:I - Major rule breakage.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:06:55 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Insurrection - Prime Directives

At 14:17 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>Hahaha.. what a good list you've got. Note that in ST:FC Picard
>disobeyed direct Starfleet orders and attacked the Borg when it was
>near Earth, that's before they went back in time...not a PD rule,
>but actually direct insubordination if you think about it.

Thanks for the list compliment, it's just my memory.  I had forgotten that
Starfleet felt that Picard had too much of a connection to the Borg since
Locutus, and was to watch the neutral zone in case Romulans came across to
take advantage of the situation.  That's how Worf was brought aboard the
Enterprise.  Thanks for reminding me, it was a direct violation.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:17:06 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Insurrection/the Enterprise

At 11:54 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>I like the Trek films, but I wish they'd stop blowing up the Enterprise.
>When was the last time the ship actually made it through a movie intact?
>What version of the Enterprise are they on now? G? H? Sheesh...

NCC-1701 Enterprise survived the first film; damaged, but not destroyed in
the second film; sacrificed to create a winnable "no win" situation in the
third (first time for destruction); technically NCC 1701-A survived the
fourth film (it appeared only at the end); it survived the fifth film and
the sixth films; the seventh film was the only ST film that has featured
two starships in the same film, NCC-1701-B was commissioned and survived,
while NCC-1701-D was destroyed in a crash landing in the seventh film;
NCC-1701-E survived the eighth film completely intact.

Other Enterprises: NCC-1701-B was destroyed in unusual circumstances, not
covered in detail in ST history (left to writers); NCC-1701-C was destroyed
during a time travel experience when it came into the future, met Picard,
and returned to defend a Klingon outpost during a Romulan attack and
subsequent massacre.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:21:25 -0800
From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Insurrection

I've seen the trailer about a dozen times, my husband and sister-in-law are
HUGE trekkers, and the release date is Dec. 11.  The trailer looks great,
but a bit anti-climatic

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Wade Snider [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Tuesday, November 10, 1998 9:24 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Insurrection
>
>
> This is not spoiler info, but if you don't want to know
> any detail of the movie, don't read anymore!!! But, I don't
> tell anything more than is stated in the trailer or on the
> official website...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Where've ya been James?!?!?!   ;-)
> Actually, there have been quite a few blurbs here and there about the
> movie
> on various entertainment shows, such as ET. A lot of movie news websites
> keep up with the status of the movie and the progress of it, you can find
> pics
> and other goodies all over the web. There's even an official site
> somewhere.
>
> The premise of the movie involves a planet, not in the Federation, that
> has
> some sort of "fountain of youth" or some such thing, be it mineral
> resources
> or whatever that somehow increases a lifespan and cures disease, or
> whatever.
> I'm not entirely sure, but you get the message. I think the planet and its
> people
> may have been isolated for a long time, and there is another race,
> belonging to the
> Federation that is old and dying, and they want the resources of this
> planet to
> save their own species.So, they try to capture this world. The crew of the
> Enterprise has compassion for this world and its people so they violate
> the
> Prime Directive and direct Starfleet orders by protecting this world and
> its people
> from being taken over, fighting this race and Starfleet itself. Thus, the
> title Insurrection.
>
> It sounds like a really good movie. A lot of the pics I've seen are pretty
> good.
> All the regular cast is in the movie, and they even supposedly shot but
> are leaving
> out a cameo from the final cut at the movie's close with Quark in it. It's
> directed
> by Frakes, who directed First Contact, for those who didn't know. Usually
> the odd
> numbered films have the rep of being flops, but this one actually looks
> pretty
> good. F. Murray Abraham plays the leader of the dying race, and supposedly
> there is
> some ambiguity to the nature of the race, that is, they may not be evil,
> actually
> a good people, simply desparate. Supposedly Abraham and Patrick Stewart
> have some
> really good dialogue and get the chance to stretch their acting muscles.
> There was
> also some discussion on movie news sites about there being a bubble bath
> scene
> between Riker and Troi.. hahahahahahaha..really trivial but amusing for
> the ST fan.
>
> The US release date is Dec. 11, I think. It may the 18th though. The
> teasers are
> supposedly out in the theater, and the trailer may be, too or soon anyway.
> There
> have been some descriptions of the trailer here and there.
>
> Has anyone else seen the teaser yet? Or any of the trailer? I suppose that
> some websites will have that, too.
>
> I am looking forward to it myself...
>
> Wade
>
>
>
> >--- On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:56:40 -0700  jkrudy <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >Well I thought that I was quite the Star Trek fan until my sister emailed
> me
> >and asked what I thought of the previews for Insurrection.  I replied
> that I
> >had not even heard of it, to which she replied, "Never heard of it!  What
> is
> >wrong with you!!!  It's the new STAR TREK movie that is coming out in
> >December."  So now I feel very dumb.  So what's the scoop on this movie?
> >When does it come out?  What's it about?  If anybody can fill me in I'd
> be
> >appreciative.
>
> >James K. Rudy
>
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:41:11 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: RE: [MV] Insurrection

At 13:21 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>I've seen the trailer about a dozen times, my husband and sister-in-law are
>HUGE trekkers, and the release date is Dec. 11.  The trailer looks great,
>but a bit anti-climatic

Well, that's what worried everyone about Insurrection, as it is an odd
numbered film.  So after a great number of test screenings, they've added a
lot of SFX and toned down the Picard/Female relationship story arc.  I
can't wait! :)

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 98 13:28:43 PST
From: Wade Snider  <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Insurrection - Prime Directives

Sure. I just watched First Contact again this weekend, so that's the main
reason I remember it.



- --- On Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:06:55 -0500  Ryan Allen <[e-mail]> wrote:

Thanks for the list compliment, it's just my memory.  I had forgotten that
Starfleet felt that Picard had too much of a connection to the Borg since
Locutus, and was to watch the neutral zone in case Romulans came across to
take advantage of the situation.  That's how Worf was brought aboard the
Enterprise.  Thanks for reminding me, it was a direct violation.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:02:23 -0800
From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: FW: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives

YOU ALL ARE NUTS....


> Goose,
>   Please forward this to the gang:
>
>
> Additional to FIRST CONTACT:  Picard was guilty of disobeying Starfleet
> orders during the first act; he ordered the Enterprise to leave the
> Neutral Zone in order to engage in combat with the Borg.  (Data's
> attitude:  "Sir, I believe I speak for the entire crew when I say, 'To
> Hell with our orders.'")
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:    Romero, Leticia [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > Sent:    Tuesday, November 10, 1998 11:21 AM
> > To:    'eric'
> > Subject:    FW: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives
> >
> > Oh my god.... somebody's actually chronicaled these movies... who
> > knew?
> >
> > Ha!!
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > > Sent:    Tuesday, November 10, 1998 8:48 AM
> > > To:    [e-mail]
> > > Subject:    Re: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives
> > >
> > > At 11:29 11/10/98 , you wrote:
> > > >Is it just me or does the Enterprise crew disobey either Starfleet
> > > >Command or the Prime Directive in every movie?
> > >
> > > It's just you. :)  Here we go:
> > >
> > > ST:TMP (no rule breakage) - Sent to save Earth from V'ger, supported
> > by
> > > Starfleet and the Federation
> > > ST:TWOK (no rule breakage) - While surveying, Checkov gets captured
> > by
> > > Kahn, who goes on a rampage for revenge against Admiral Kirk.
> > Although
> > > there is a mention of a previous rule breakage, Kirk's defeat of the
> > > "no-win situation" simulation.
> > > ST:TSFS - They break all the rules in this one, searching for Spock,
> > > realizing the good of the one outweighs the good of the many.
> > > ST:TVH (no rule breakage) - Travelling back in time to save the
> > future,
> > > they have the Federation's support.  Only Kirk is "punished" by
> > Starfleet
> > > and demoted to Captain at the end.
> > > ST:TFF (no rule breakage) - Attempt to stop the takeover of the
> > galaxy's
> > > peace plant.  They screw up and, with no budget, make the worst Star
> > Trek
> > > feature ever.  Although the original script was very good, and a few
> > great
> > > scenes remain, mainly the campfire bookend scenes.  The music is
> > some of
> > > the best, and can be heard repeated in numerous movie trailers, and
> > in
> > > followup Trek pictures.
> > > ST:TUC - Breaking them all again, in order to stop a madman's
> > attempt to
> > > disrupt the Kittomer Peace Accords (spelling?).
> > > ST:G - Arguably one of the poorest ST outings, they only break a few
> > rules
> > > here and there, but no major PD rules.
> > > ST:FC - The best ST film since TVH, arguably they only break the
> > Prime
> > > Directive (to not interfere), because the Borg are attempting to
> > > assimilate
> > > Earth.  This will only ensure that it can be created in the future.
> > A
> > > catch-22, I suppose.
> > > ST:I - Major rule breakage.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Ryan
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:17:35 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: FW: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives

We're not nuts.  But thanks for the compliments.  Is there something wrong
with a good memory about movies?

Wondering,
Ryan

At 15:02 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>YOU ALL ARE NUTS....
>
>
>> Goose,
>>   Please forward this to the gang:
>>
>>
>> Additional to FIRST CONTACT:  Picard was guilty of disobeying Starfleet
>> orders during the first act; he ordered the Enterprise to leave the
>> Neutral Zone in order to engage in combat with the Borg.  (Data's
>> attitude:  "Sir, I believe I speak for the entire crew when I say, 'To
>> Hell with our orders.'")
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From:    Romero, Leticia [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>> > Sent:    Tuesday, November 10, 1998 11:21 AM
>> > To:    'eric'
>> > Subject:    FW: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives
>> >
>> > Oh my god.... somebody's actually chronicaled these movies... who
>> > knew?
>> >
>> > Ha!!
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>> > > Sent:    Tuesday, November 10, 1998 8:48 AM
>> > > To:    [e-mail]
>> > > Subject:    Re: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives
>> > >
>> > > At 11:29 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>> > > >Is it just me or does the Enterprise crew disobey either Starfleet
>> > > >Command or the Prime Directive in every movie?
>> > >
>> > > It's just you. :)  Here we go:
>> > >
>> > > ST:TMP (no rule breakage) - Sent to save Earth from V'ger, supported
>> > by
>> > > Starfleet and the Federation
>> > > ST:TWOK (no rule breakage) - While surveying, Checkov gets captured
>> > by
>> > > Kahn, who goes on a rampage for revenge against Admiral Kirk.
>> > Although
>> > > there is a mention of a previous rule breakage, Kirk's defeat of the
>> > > "no-win situation" simulation.
>> > > ST:TSFS - They break all the rules in this one, searching for Spock,
>> > > realizing the good of the one outweighs the good of the many.
>> > > ST:TVH (no rule breakage) - Travelling back in time to save the
>> > future,
>> > > they have the Federation's support.  Only Kirk is "punished" by
>> > Starfleet
>> > > and demoted to Captain at the end.
>> > > ST:TFF (no rule breakage) - Attempt to stop the takeover of the
>> > galaxy's
>> > > peace plant.  They screw up and, with no budget, make the worst Star
>> > Trek
>> > > feature ever.  Although the original script was very good, and a few
>> > great
>> > > scenes remain, mainly the campfire bookend scenes.  The music is
>> > some of
>> > > the best, and can be heard repeated in numerous movie trailers, and
>> > in
>> > > followup Trek pictures.
>> > > ST:TUC - Breaking them all again, in order to stop a madman's
>> > attempt to
>> > > disrupt the Kittomer Peace Accords (spelling?).
>> > > ST:G - Arguably one of the poorest ST outings, they only break a few
>> > rules
>> > > here and there, but no major PD rules.
>> > > ST:FC - The best ST film since TVH, arguably they only break the
>> > Prime
>> > > Directive (to not interfere), because the Borg are attempting to
>> > > assimilate
>> > > Earth.  This will only ensure that it can be created in the future.
>> > A
>> > > catch-22, I suppose.
>> > > ST:I - Major rule breakage.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > > Ryan
>> > > Intranet Specialist
>> > > Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)
>> > > Allen Systems Group
>> > > http://www.asg.com
>> > >
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:13:34 -0800
From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: FW: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives

heavens no!!  I think it's wonderful that we all love movies the way we
do... but as much as you know about ST, nobody- but NOBODY- knows more
about James Bond than my hubby!!!
> -----Original Message-----
> From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Tuesday, November 10, 1998 12:18 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: FW: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives
>
> We're not nuts.  But thanks for the compliments.  Is there something wrong
> with a good memory about movies?
>
> Wondering,
> Ryan
>
> At 15:02 11/10/98 , you wrote:
> >YOU ALL ARE NUTS....
> >
> >
> >> Goose,
> >>   Please forward this to the gang:
> >>
> >>
> >> Additional to FIRST CONTACT:  Picard was guilty of disobeying Starfleet
> >> orders during the first act; he ordered the Enterprise to leave the
> >> Neutral Zone in order to engage in combat with the Borg.  (Data's
> >> attitude:  "Sir, I believe I speak for the entire crew when I say, 'To
> >> Hell with our orders.'")
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From:    Romero, Leticia [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> >> > Sent:    Tuesday, November 10, 1998 11:21 AM
> >> > To:    'eric'
> >> > Subject:    FW: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives
> >> >
> >> > Oh my god.... somebody's actually chronicaled these movies... who
> >> > knew?
> >> >
> >> > Ha!!
> >> >
> >> > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> >> > > Sent:    Tuesday, November 10, 1998 8:48 AM
> >> > > To:    [e-mail]
> >> > > Subject:    Re: [MV] Insurrection  - Prime Directives
> >> > >
> >> > > At 11:29 11/10/98 , you wrote:
> >> > > >Is it just me or does the Enterprise crew disobey either Starfleet
> >> > > >Command or the Prime Directive in every movie?
> >> > >
> >> > > It's just you. :)  Here we go:
> >> > >
> >> > > ST:TMP (no rule breakage) - Sent to save Earth from V'ger,
> supported
> >> > by
> >> > > Starfleet and the Federation
> >> > > ST:TWOK (no rule breakage) - While surveying, Checkov gets captured
> >> > by
> >> > > Kahn, who goes on a rampage for revenge against Admiral Kirk.
> >> > Although
> >> > > there is a mention of a previous rule breakage, Kirk's defeat of
> the
> >> > > "no-win situation" simulation.
> >> > > ST:TSFS - They break all the rules in this one, searching for
> Spock,
> >> > > realizing the good of the one outweighs the good of the many.
> >> > > ST:TVH (no rule breakage) - Travelling back in time to save the
> >> > future,
> >> > > they have the Federation's support.  Only Kirk is "punished" by
> >> > Starfleet
> >> > > and demoted to Captain at the end.
> >> > > ST:TFF (no rule breakage) - Attempt to stop the takeover of the
> >> > galaxy's
> >> > > peace plant.  They screw up and, with no budget, make the worst
> Star
> >> > Trek
> >> > > feature ever.  Although the original script was very good, and a
> few
> >> > great
> >> > > scenes remain, mainly the campfire bookend scenes.  The music is
> >> > some of
> >> > > the best, and can be heard repeated in numerous movie trailers, and
> >> > in
> >> > > followup Trek pictures.
> >> > > ST:TUC - Breaking them all again, in order to stop a madman's
> >> > attempt to
> >> > > disrupt the Kittomer Peace Accords (spelling?).
> >> > > ST:G - Arguably one of the poorest ST outings, they only break a
> few
> >> > rules
> >> > > here and there, but no major PD rules.
> >> > > ST:FC - The best ST film since TVH, arguably they only break the
> >> > Prime
> >> > > Directive (to not interfere), because the Borg are attempting to
> >> > > assimilate
> >> > > Earth.  This will only ensure that it can be created in the future.
> >> > A
> >> > > catch-22, I suppose.
> >> > > ST:I - Major rule breakage.
> >> > >
> >> > > Cheers,
> >> > > Ryan
> >> > > Intranet Specialist
> >> > > Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)
> >> > > Allen Systems Group
> >> > > http://www.asg.com
> >> > >
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