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movies-digest        Thursday, October 8 1998        Volume 02 : Number 111



RE: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on the Ra ting system.
RE: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on the Ra ting system.
[MV] REVIEW: HOLY MAN
[MV] Chloe Sevigny
RE: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on the Rating system.
Re: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on the Rating system.

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:12:13 -0600
From: jkrudy <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on the Ra ting system.

I can't recall my source on the "pee drinking" scene so we can throw it out
if you prefer, but in what ways has society benefited from moving on as you
put it?  It seems to me that people are becoming more and more desensitized
to Sex and Violence and in large part that is the fault of our entertainment
both the Cinema and TV  There are those that will argue that art is
imitating life, but I strongly believe it is the opposite or better yet the
two are feeding of each other.  If Art (movies/TV) were to slowing revert
back to the 1931 era, I believe morality in our nation would also.  I think
that would be just wonderful.  There would still be crime, violence,
prostitution and all the rest of it, but Damnit, things would be better.
Children might just respect their parents more, teenage pregnancy might
decrease, teen/child suicide would go down, there would be less 14 years old
gunning down their classmates, etc, etc, etc.  A good movie is an escape
from reality, or in say the case of "Saving Private Ryan" a reminder of the
horror that can be caused by evil.  Violence and gore can be educational and
beneficial in those cases, but the way things are going 15 years from now
"Saving Private Ryan" could be an after school special with no editing
needed.  And most of the kids would comment on how tame it is as far as the
violence.  Is that what we want for our children?  Is it?

JAMES K. RUDY


- -----Original Message-----
From:    Gerry Taylor [SMTP:[e-mail]]
Sent:    Thursday, October 08, 1998 3:35 PM
To:    [e-mail]
Subject:    Re: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on
the Rating system.

I watched a documentary on "The excorcist" recently and they talked about
the excluded scenes......there was absolutely no mention of a "Pee drinking"
scene, so I presume this is a rumour.  As for the lax in morals, what the
hell.........the 1931 version of Dracula was the equivalent of an
"X"......are you trying to say we should not have moved on from that?
- -----Original Message-----
From: jkrudy < [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
To: '[e-mail]' <mailto:'[e-mail]'> <
[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
Date: 08 October 1998 20:25
Subject: RE: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on the
Rating system.


>Also with Wild Things, I would have thought the 3-way sex scene would have
>merited a NC-17 rating.  What is this world coming too?  I mean I'm not
>saying I didn't enjoy it.  In fact I enjoyed it all 4 times I watched that
>particular scene (LOL), I'm just commenting on the rapid decline of sexual
>morality in films, and how something that is rated R today would have been
>rated X tens years ago.  Another example is I read where they are
>re-releasing "The Exorcist" in theaters with originally edited out scenes
>that made the movie rated X at first but which once removed they rated it
R,
>now years later the scenes are put back in and it's still R.  One of the
>scenes apparently has Linda Blair peeing in her own face and drinking it.
>That still sounds X to me, how 'bout you?
>
>JAMES K. RUDY
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Wade Snider [ SMTP:[e-mail]
<mailto:SMTP:[e-mail]>]
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 3:08 PM
>To: [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>
>Subject: Re: [MV] Mercury Rising
>
>
>--- On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:41:57 -0600  jkrudy < [e-mail]
<mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>>I saw Mercury Rising the other day on video.  I loved it, but I had never
>>heard of it before until just the other day so obviously a lot of people
>>hated it.  I'd like to hear any opinions you may have on it.
>
>I saw this in the theater. i liked it allright, but I was not all that
>impressed by it. I couldn't tell if it was an action film or a suspense
>drama. How many times to we get to see Bruce Willis with that strained
>constipation face as he jumps of something speeding or exploding. I also
>expected to see more of Alec baldwin... you gotta love him in a role like
>this.
>And, I tended to feel that a lot of the personal aspects
>of his relationship with the boy were just emotional manipulation much to
>reminiscent (sp?) of Rain Man.
>
>Those things said, I did relatively like it.. not too bored with it. Good
>rental choice.
>
>
>>I also saw Wild Things.  This might be a slight spoiler, but my wife
thinks
>>that Kevin Bacon was the executive producer just so he could have his
penis
>>revealed on the big screen.  Personally I think well why not, they've been
>>showing female full frontal nudity for years.
>>JKRUDY
>
>I had heard that they had shot the scene many times, and it just happened
>that in the best take, he turned a little faster than anticipated. They SAY
>they didn't plan that.......
>At some point, it became known just how much had been shown when in post
>production, and he himself said that they would have taken that out for
him,
>
>but he said he had nothing in his contract about full frontal nudity or
some
>
>such thing, and he seemed to me to get a hoot out of having that in there;
>so he
>told them to leave it...
>
>Wade
>--------------------------------------------------------
>W. Snider
>
>Life can only be understood backwards, but it must be lived forwards.
>-Kierkegaard
>
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>
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:28:57 -0700
From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on the Ra ting system.

> If Art (movies/TV) were to slowing revert
> back to the 1931 era, I believe morality in our nation would also.
    [Romero, Leticia]  Just because it was unheard of in 1931, doesn't
necessarly mean it didn't happen.   There WAS teenage pregnancy, there WAS
domestic violence and disrespect and all that from the beginning of time.
It would be wonderful if our present society could become more sensitive to
the horrors of violence, but wouldn't it stifle the spirit as well, not
knowing whether or not we could survive and rise above it all?  To know the
difference between right and wrong?


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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 18:21:06 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott Renshaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] REVIEW: HOLY MAN

HOLY MAN
(Touchstone)
Starring:  Eddie Murphy, Jeff Goldblum, Kelly Preston, Robert Loggia, Jon
Cryer.
Screenplay:  Tom Shulman.
Producers:  Roger Birnbaum and Stephen Herek.
Director:  Stephen Herek.
MPAA Rating:  PG (profanity, adult themes)
Running Time:  113 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

     One of the things you've gotta love about Hollywood marketing people
is their occasional bouts with irony deficiency.  If you trusted
television advertisements for HOLY MAN, you'd probably suspect that it was
a raucous Eddie Murphy comedy where the star spends most of the film
mocking and deflating uptight media types.  That's because Touchstone
Pictures' marketing department knew it'd have one hellacious time trying
to sell HOLY MAN for what it really is:  a somber, sincere
satire-cum-cautionary tale in which Eddie Murphy, despite his lead
billing, generally plays second fiddle to Jeff Goldblum.

     The wonderful, awful irony comes from the "message" of HOLY MAN.
Goldblum plays Ricky Hayman, the programming director for Miami-based Good
Buy Shopping Network.  Faced with lagging sales at the network and
mounting personal debt, Ricky realizes he has to do something to turn
things around fast.  Fate intervenes when Ricky and colleague Kate Newell
(Kelly Preston) nearly run over an apparently homeless man calling himself
"G" (Murphy).  A few plot contrivances later, G wanders onto the Good Buy
set and on the air, becoming an instant phenomenon by lending his New Age
philosophizing to the hawking of chainsaws and electronic beauty aids.  As
G's success reinvigorates Ricky's career, Ricky begins to wonder whether
it's more important to be honest with people than to use any means
available to sell to them.

     Pretty good gag, huh?  Only the joke will be on viewers who expect to
have their funny bones tickled, but instead get a nearly two-hour lecture
on the evils of consumerism.  And what an achingly strident lecture at
that, with Goldblum twitching and furrowing his brow every few seconds to
make sure we understand he's in the middle of a Jerry Maguire-sized crisis
of conscience, caught between Preston as the angel on one shoulder and
Robert Loggia as the devilish network boss on the other.  Murphy,
meanwhile, gets a few devilish moments of his own -- you know, the ones in
the commercials -- but essentially spends the film's running time smiling
beatifically and waxing profound on the importance of love and connection
with the earth.  It's all very well-intentioned, and deadly dull.

     The sad part is that HOLY MAN could have been an effective piece of
satire.  The script by Tom Schulman presents G as a latter-day Howard
Beale or Chance the Gardener unknowingly tapping into some zeitgeist
malaise.  Unfortunately, if you're going to go for NETWORK or BEING
THERE-style stabs at modern media, you need someone a bit more cutting
edge at the helm than Stephen Herek (THE MIGHTY DUCKS, MR. HOLLAND'S OPUS,
101 DALMATIANS), Disney's crowd-pleaser-in-residence.  Herek wraps
everything in a warm-n-fuzzy package guaranteed not to offend, a pointless
perspective for a social satire.  Even the few token pokes at
infomercialism, including cameo pitch-meisters like Morgan Fairchild,
Betty White and Soupy Sales, are too feather-light to amount to much.
Wasting a chance to savage as ripe a target as home shopping should be a
criminal offense.

     It's similarly criminal wasting the presence of Eddie Murphy.  I
understand Murphy's recent move toward kinder, gentler, family-friendly
roles, since there are only so many ways to play the wise-cracking rebel
with the honking laugh.  The problem isn't his performance in HOLY MAN,
which is quite adequate for the minimal work he's actually required to do.
The problem is that no matter how hard Murphy tries to be a "versatile
actor," he's going to be in trouble with audiences if marketing geniuses
keep suckering his fans into watching a Murphy they don't really care to
see.  I'm glad Murphy felt strongly enough about HOLY MAN's message of
integrity to take a chance playing against type, but he could have picked
a less tedious vehicle.  It's even worse when Touchstone makes him look
like a certain Pot referring to a certain Kettle's ebony shading.

     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 guru'ed awakenings:  4.

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Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:00:27 +0800
From: Blacknight <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Chloe Sevigny

Can anyone please tell me more about the actress Chloe Sevigny? A friend
keeps asking me about her.

blacknight


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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 21:01:38 -0400
From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on the Rating system.

At 04.12 PM 08/10/98 -0600, jkrudy wrote:

  If Art (movies/TV) were to slowing revert
>back to the 1931 era, I believe morality in our nation would also.  I think
>that would be just wonderful.  There would still be crime, violence,
>prostitution and all the rest of it, but Damnit, things would be better.

Or as well hidden as they were.

One thing that is overlooked in the "family values" debate is that, as you
said, there would still be crime, prostitution, drugs, etc.  There were
back then.  But they were well-hidden.

The drug houses shown in/written by Sherlock Holmes existed.  Coca-Cola was
the REAL thing, if you know what I mean (contained real coke).  And many of
the murder rates (which get trotted out each January by the news media)
were highest in the early part of this century.

Honestly, I like your world better.  But it only existed on the screen.

However, on that note, you should really enjoy the upcoming Pleasentville.
I know I can hardly wait to see it.  It looks very interesting.

Regards,

- --Mel


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Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 06:38:38 +0100
From: "Gerry Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on the Rating system.

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There is nothing worse than someone imagining the past to be "Rosier " =
than nowadays.  Usually if you look deeper you find that the past had =
probably the same amount of violence and social problems if not more!  =
As for the moral value of the 30's.......just because films were more =
tame does not mean society in general was.  Just because teenagers =
respected their parents more ( and this was only probably down to the =
fact that at 14 upwards they were expected to have a job thus did not =
really have a full childhood)........so technically the teenagers we =
know did not exist then!  Child prostitiution was more previllant then =
and for all your wonderful talk on society, racism was still firmly =
entrenched in american way of life....so was that a good thing?
Moving onto desensitisation, I love it that all people regard this as a =
bad thing.......if people never became desensitised to blood and gore we =
probably would not have any surgeons or the like!  As for it's link to =
films.......I think how violence is handled in films is more important.  =
Surely your average action movie with Bruce Willis or Stallone is more =
offensive than most things as it deals with violence so off handedly.  =
In these type of films villains get blown away cleanly and with minimum =
gore.......and the only good villain is a dead one.  Surely this moral =
message is more abhorrent than the average horror movie and basically =
when you boil it down fake gore for all it's gruesomeness bears no =
reality to the real violence.  As for protecting our children.......yes =
I agree with that up to a point.........when someone reaches 17 (or 18 =
as the rating is here) they should be allowed to see any film without =
cuts (providing that the film acts within the law) I find the censor =
system ridiculous as how can one or a small group of people have the =
right to judge other people's moral standards.  I also think these =
people are slightly corrupt as both "Jaws", "The lost world" and =
"Jurrassic park" got through in the U.K as a "U" rating i.e anyone can =
go and see it.  These films imho are quite violent and call me a cynic =
but the more people allowed to see a film the more money it will =
make........there are far more less violent movies that get higher =
ratings.....why is this?  Maybe because ~
Gerry T
~~~~~
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self =
contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake and weep for their sins,
they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning =
things,
Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of =
years ago,
not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
                                                               Walt =
Whitman.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~the studio that released these =
had a way of greasing a few palms!
- -----Original Message-----
From: jkrudy <[e-mail]>
To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
Date: 08 October 1998 23:14
Subject: RE: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on the =
Rating system.


>I can't recall my source on the "pee drinking" scene so we can throw it =
out
>if you prefer, but in what ways has society benefited from moving on as =
you
>put it?  It seems to me that people are becoming more and more =
desensitized
>to Sex and Violence and in large part that is the fault of our =
entertainment
>both the Cinema and TV  There are those that will argue that art is
>imitating life, but I strongly believe it is the opposite or better yet =
the
>two are feeding of each other.  If Art (movies/TV) were to slowing =
revert
>back to the 1931 era, I believe morality in our nation would also.  I =
think
>that would be just wonderful.  There would still be crime, violence,
>prostitution and all the rest of it, but Damnit, things would be =
better.
>Children might just respect their parents more, teenage pregnancy might
>decrease, teen/child suicide would go down, there would be less 14 =
years old
>gunning down their classmates, etc, etc, etc.  A good movie is an =
escape
>from reality, or in say the case of "Saving Private Ryan" a reminder of =
the
>horror that can be caused by evil.  Violence and gore can be =
educational and
>beneficial in those cases, but the way things are going 15 years from =
now
>"Saving Private Ryan" could be an after school special with no editing
>needed.  And most of the kids would comment on how tame it is as far as =
the
>violence.  Is that what we want for our children?  Is it?
>
>JAMES K. RUDY
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gerry Taylor [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 3:35 PM
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: Re: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on
>the Rating system.
>
>I watched a documentary on "The excorcist" recently and they talked =
about
>the excluded scenes......there was absolutely no mention of a "Pee =
drinking"
>scene, so I presume this is a rumour.  As for the lax in morals, what =
the
>hell.........the 1931 version of Dracula was the equivalent of an
>"X"......are you trying to say we should not have moved on from that?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jkrudy < [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>To: '[e-mail]' <mailto:'[e-mail]'> <
>[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>Date: 08 October 1998 20:25
>Subject: RE: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on the
>Rating system.
>
>
>>Also with Wild Things, I would have thought the 3-way sex scene would =
have
>>merited a NC-17 rating.  What is this world coming too?  I mean I'm =
not
>>saying I didn't enjoy it.  In fact I enjoyed it all 4 times I watched =
that
>>particular scene (LOL), I'm just commenting on the rapid decline of =
sexual
>>morality in films, and how something that is rated R today would have =
been
>>rated X tens years ago.  Another example is I read where they are
>>re-releasing "The Exorcist" in theaters with originally edited out =
scenes
>>that made the movie rated X at first but which once removed they rated =
it
>R,
>>now years later the scenes are put back in and it's still R.  One of =
the
>>scenes apparently has Linda Blair peeing in her own face and drinking =
it.
>>That still sounds X to me, how 'bout you?
>>










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editing<BR>>needed. =20
And most of the kids would comment on how tame it is as far as=20
the<BR>>violence.  Is that what we want for our children?  =
Is=20
it?<BR>><BR>>JAMES K. RUDY<BR>><BR>><BR>>-----Original=20
Message-----<BR>>From: Gerry Taylor [<A=20
href=3D"mailto:SMTP:[e-mail]">SMTP:[e-mail]</A>]<BR>&=
gt;Sent:=20
Thursday, October 08, 1998 3:35 PM<BR>>To: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A><B=
R>>Subject:=20
Re: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild Things, and a comment on<BR>>the =
Rating=20
system.<BR>><BR>>I watched a documentary on "The =
excorcist"=20
recently and they talked about<BR>>the excluded scenes......there was =

absolutely no mention of a "Pee drinking"<BR>>scene, so I =
presume=20
this is a rumour.  As for the lax in morals, what=20
the<BR>>hell.........the 1931 version of Dracula was the equivalent =
of=20
an<BR>>"X"......are you trying to say we should not have =
moved on=20
from that?<BR>>-----Original Message-----<BR>>From: jkrudy < <A =

href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A> <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">mailto:[e-mail]</A>>><BR=
>>To:=20
<A =
href=3D"mailto:'[e-mail]'">'[e-mail]'</=
A>=20
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:'[e-mail]'">mailto:'[e-mail]=
.com'</A>>=20
<<BR>><A=20
href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">[e-mail]</A> =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:[e-mail]">mailto:[e-mail]=
m</A>>><BR>>Date:=20
08 October 1998 20:25<BR>>Subject: RE: [MV] Mercury Rising Also Wild =
Things,=20
and a comment on the<BR>>Rating =
system.<BR>><BR>><BR>>>Also with=20
Wild Things, I would have thought the 3-way sex scene would=20
have<BR>>>merited a NC-17 rating.  What is this world coming=20
too?  I mean I'm not<BR>>>saying I didn't enjoy it.  In =
fact I=20
enjoyed it all 4 times I watched that<BR>>>particular scene (LOL), =
I'm=20
just commenting on the rapid decline of sexual<BR>>>morality in =
films, and=20
how something that is rated R today would have been<BR>>>rated X =
tens=20
years ago.  Another example is I read where they=20
are<BR>>>re-releasing "The Exorcist" in theaters with =
originally=20
edited out scenes<BR>>>that made the movie rated X at first but =
which once=20
removed they rated it<BR>>R,<BR>>>now years later the scenes =
are put=20
back in and it's still R.  One of the<BR>>>scenes apparently =
has=20
Linda Blair peeing in her own face and drinking it.<BR>>>That =
still sounds=20
X to me, how 'bout=20
you?<BR>>><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BODY></HTML>

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