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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject:  Movie News - 08/03/98
Date: 03 Aug 1998 13:04:17 -0600 (MDT)

DRIVER GETS SPIRITUAL After avoiding the cliched British
costume drama with fresh, modern roles in "Good Will
Hunting," "Big Night" and "Grosse Pointe Blank," Minnie
Driver has taken the lead in the period piece "The
Governess." "I wanted to do a period drama, but I didn't
want it to be chocolate-boxy," Driver, 27, told The New York
Times. "And sure enough, along came this twisted take on
spiritual subterfuge and blind eroticism." It's the story of
a young Jewish woman in 1840s London who learns she must
hide her religious faith to find work as a governess. "I'm
fascinated by how much we, as women, have to subjugate and
hide ourselves in order to get on in the world," Driver
said.

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TOM HANKS STILL GOLDEN While Steven Spielberg hosted the
Clintons in the Hamptons, the director's movie "Saving
Private Ryan" continued to dominate the nation's box office
with an estimated $23.3 million during this past weekend,
say studio sources. (The D-Day drama, starring Tom Hanks,
has so far made $73.1 million in 10 days.) Disney's updated
remake of "The Parent Trap" finished a respectable second
with $11.5 million, edging out the third weekend of the very
gross -- and very funny -- "There's Something About Mary"
($11.2 million). "The Negotiator," a police thriller with
Kevin Spacey and Samuel L. Jackson, came in a solid fourth
with $9.7 million, and the debut of "Ever After," with Drew
Barrymore as Cinderella, happily ended with $9 million.



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From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Re: Family Movie Worth Watching -Reply
Date: 04 Aug 1998 08:11:45 -0700

Well my friends, it seems like only yesterday that we were joshing and
joking about a "Titantic" toy line.  These good folks just couldn't
let a goldmine pass them by (see below).  Do you think the retailers
will observe a moment of silence before each sale?

Galoob Toys to Market Titanic Dolls

    SOUTH SAN FRANCISCO, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 4, 1998--
Galoob Toys, Inc. (NYSE: GAL) today announced that it will produce a
series of Titanic collector's dolls based on the film's lead
character, "Rose DeWitt Bukater," portrayed by Kate Winslet in her
Academy Award-nominated performance. Marketed under Galoob's "first
look" licensing agreement with Twentieth Century Fox Licensing and
Merchandising, the first doll in the series is expected to reach
retail shelves in October of this year.

    "We are very happy to have the opportunity to market a series of
dolls based on the very popular character of Rose from the biggest
film of all time," said Gary Niles, Galoob's Executive Vice President
of Marketing and Product Acquisition.

    "We're thrilled to collaborate with Galoob on Titanic," noted
Steve Ross, Executive Vice President and General Manager, Twentieth
Century Fox Licensing and Merchandising. "The doll's quality,
attention to detail and natural collectability are a tribute to the
film and its popularity."

    The first in a planned series of Galoob limited edition
collector's dolls inspired by Titanic's "Rose DeWitt Bukater," the
doll stands 11-1/2 inches tall and wears the evening gown worn by
Rose in her first meeting with the "Jack Dawson" character. The
doll's elaborately detailed crimson silk empire dress is fashioned
after the original costume created for the film by Academy
Award-winning costume designer Deborah Lynn Scott.

    Twentieth Century Fox Licensing and Merchandising licenses and
markets properties worldwide on behalf of all Fox film and television
properties as well as third party properties.

    Galoob Toys, Inc. designs, develops, markets and sells high
quality toys worldwide. For more information about the Company and
its products, visit Galoob's World Wide Web site at
http://www.galoob.com.

CONTACT:

Robert Marston And Associates

Karen Levine

[phone]

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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/04/98
Date: 04 Aug 1998 12:56:12 -0600 (MDT)

"Saving Private Ryan" won its second consecutive weekend box-office
battle, as audiences continued to storm theaters showing the
critically acclaimed war drama. Steven Spielberg's grisly World War
II picture ceded little ground, dropping just 24% to $23.3 million,
while fending off attacks from four rookie films. With the best
second-week hold of any chart-topper this summer, "Ryan" clearly has
dug in for the long haul. With $73 million already under its ammo
belt, the movie is on target to gross at least $160 million
Stateside.

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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/05/98
Date: 05 Aug 1998 12:42:14 -0600 (MDT)

Galoob Toys Inc. said Tuesday it will produce a series of
collectable dolls based on Rose, the female lead character
played by Kate Winslet in the blockbuster "Titanic."  Galoob
said the dolls will be marketed under a licensing agreement
with 20th Century Fox Licensing and Merchandising.  The first
doll in the series is expected to go on sale in October.  It
stands 11-1/2 inches tall and wears an elaborately detailed
crimson silk empire dress, which Rose wore at her first
meeting with Jack Dawson, played by Leonardo DiCaprio. No
word yet on turning him into a doll, too.

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Disney's latest animated movie, "Mulan," based on a Chinese
folk tale, was banned from being shown in China.  The country's
official news agency, Xinhua, offered no concrete reasons for
the hold-up of the film, but quoted a China Film Corp. official
as calling the issue "complicated."  There's speculation that
this could be retaliation for Disney's "Kundun," which was
about the Dalai Lama, who is most unpopular with the Chinese
government.  Bootleg versions of "Mulan" can already be
bought on the streets of Beijing.

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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/06/98
Date: 06 Aug 1998 12:35:34 -0600 (MDT)

Woody Allen's "Celebrity," which focuses on the world of the
famous and infamous in the Big Apple, will open the 36th New
York Film Festival Sept. 25. The film features an all-star
ensemble cast that includes Kenneth Branagh, Judy Davis,
Leonardo DiCaprio, Melanie Griffith, Joe Mantegna, Winona
Ryder, Charlize Theron, Famke Janssen and Gretchen Mol.
"Celebrity," a Miramax Films release, is the first Allen
film to be selected as the opening-night film of the New
York festival. His "Bullets Over Broadway" inaugurated the
Festival Centerpiece slot in 1994. No word yet on which
members of Woody's cast -- or if the filmmaker himself --
will attend the premiere.

                        -=> * <=-

Malcolm-Jamal Warner, who played Bill Cosby's son on TV,
will star in a new independent movie, "A Fare to Remember."
It's described as the story of a businesswoman who has to
take a taxi from Seattle to Los Angeles -- where she is to
be married -- but along the way she falls in love with the
taxi driver. Warner, soon to be 28, will play the cabbie.

                        -=> * <=-

The computer-animated comedy "Antz," which features the voices of
Woody Allen and Sharon Stone, has been chosen to close the 23rd
Toronto International Film Festival. Organizers said Tuesday "Antz"
will have its world premiere as the closing night gala of the
festival, which runs from Sept. 10 to 19. Produced by Steven
Spielberg's DreamWorks Pictures, "Antz" tells the story of a worker
ant (Allen) who inadvertently ends up leading a revolution in his
Central Park colony. Other voices in the film include Gene Hackman,
Sylvester Stallone and Anne Bancroft.

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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Date: 07 Aug 1998 04:59:38 -0400

Hey there everyone!!

 I just finished watching Anastasia. And I have to say that even though
it was not a disney movie it was awesome. I would reccommend this to
everyone, if you haven't watched it. It is well worth your time!!

Megan

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From: "ABYRNE.IE.ORACLE.COM" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Armageddon
Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:39:01 +0100

I went to see Godzilla recently.Muck.Absolute rubbish.I heard some of the
reviews that you guys posted and I thought that this was worse.Probably the
worst movie I have seen in a couple of years

Second came Lost In Space. Another crap film. Allthough the acting wasn't
too
bad, and Matt Le Blanc did a good job, along with Gary Oldman, the plot just=

didn't get me at all.Boring rubbish all the way through.

Then was Armageddon. Brilliant! Probably the best film I have seen this
year.
I'm a sci-fi fan aswell, so I actually rate this over Titanic.
Affeleck was excellent, and Willis ws pretty good, with Tyler throwing out a=

better than ever, Will Patton(I think that was his name), was brilliant, and
I
was loughing out loud along with everyone else in the cinema with Buscemi,
whose character was just hillarious. Best film of the year so far.
But I hear that Saving Private Ryan was pretty good aswell.
Thanks & Regards,
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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] HELP
Date: 07 Aug 1998 06:26:02 -0400

Hey there!

 Okay I have to be the worst movie watcher ever!! I have only seen two
that's right two movies this year. One was City of angels and the other
one was Anastasia. I know, I know. I haven't even seen Titanic. I am one
of the few ( if there are any left that is). I just got off a mini
mission, and now I am getting ready to go on a full time mission. I
would love to watch a movie, but I have about a million things to do
before I head to the MTC. If any of you can help me fill in my movie
gap, I would be grateful!!

Megan in Canada

Email [e-mail]

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Subject: [MV] Coming Monday, 8.03, to The Flick Filosopher...
Date: 07 Aug 1998 11:40:56 -0000

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From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] HELP -Reply
Date: 07 Aug 1998 08:28:32 -0700

Hi Megan,

I was beginning to think that nobody was left on the list.  I suggest
that you see "Something about Mary" and "Saving Private Ryan".   The
first is an incredibly funny, romantic comedy that has changed the
genre and the second is a stunning look at the horror of war.  Both
can be revolting in their own way but if you have the constitution
then you should catch both.

bb

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Subject: [MV] Megan
Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:11:05 -0700


Hey, Megan:

Go see "The Mask of Zorro" -- it's the most fun movie since any
Indiana Jones flick (see my review at http://www.flickfilosopher.com/flickfilos/archive/3q98/maskofzorro.html).

MaryAnn Johanson
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From: Garrett Winters <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon
Date: 07 Aug 1998 18:19:19 +0100

A Byrne writes
>I went to see Godzilla recently.Muck.Absolute rubbish.I heard some of the
>reviews that you guys posted and I thought that this was worse.Probably the
>worst movie I have seen in a couple of years
I guess you don't  remember the utter crap that the originals were, this
current Godzilla lays everything from Toho to rest ( and I can say that
as I have seen at least 75% of their output over the years). The
originals were fun to watch but production values were abysmal, insisting
on using models where real things could have been used( such as stock
footage of airplanes) There was more of a plot than in any other monster
movie, great character interaction and drop dead special effects ( the
only movie to surpass it is Lost in Space). I have seen hundreds of films
in the last few years that didn't even come close to it. Anyone who
thinks the current monster isn't far superior to  the rubber Toho variety
is wearing rose coloured spectacles. I really don't know what people
expect from a movie nowadays but this film delivered on all counts ( the
only downside was all the rain but having lived in New York for  nearly
16 years I can testify that the weather did turn like that three to four
times a year and as a lizard she wouldn't have been able to operate like
she did)
>
>Second came Lost In Space. Another crap film. Allthough the acting wasn't
>too
>bad, and Matt Le Blanc did a good job, along with Gary Oldman, the plot just
>didn't get me at all.Boring rubbish all the way through.
Man oh man, did you never watch the original? I have never seen a better
made homage to an original in all my years of film watching. there must
have been dozens of little pointers to the original show ( the robots
voice, the damaged navigation control,  the interplay between Don and
Judy, and I could go on) and plenty of updating to keep it from
seeming like just a remake. Again brilliant effects that will only be
surpassed IMO by the new Star Wars flick. The plot wasn't meant to be
selfcontained that's why it didn't seem to finish up, there are two
sequels already planned to continue their voyage.
How many people remembered that Penny used to keep a diary of her
adventures? that was updated to a diary watch ( or whatever it was). I
thought the time travel pieces fit well as it gave us an idea of what
would happen  if one or two had been stranded for years.
all in all the best movie of the year bar none ( even pvt Ryan can't
compete as it is more of a semifactual retelling of history) and although
I await the Xfiles movie and Armageddon  I doubt either will see me keen
to go again ( which I plan to do for LIS and Godzilla)
Garrett
My stock reply to someone when they say this movie or that tv show sucked
is " Could you do better?"  All it is at the end of the day is the Tall
Poppy Syndrome which is rampant all over the world.
>

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From: Michael Dequina <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] The Movie Report#153, 8/7/98
Date: 07 Aug 1998 10:23:25 -0700

T   H   E
M   O   V   I   E
R   E   P   O   R   T
#153
AUGUST 7, 1998

=>T H I S  W E E K<=
M O V I E S
-_Snake_Eyes_
-_Jane_Austen's_Mafia!_
-_BASEketball_
-_Pecker_
V I D E O
-_Deceiver_
-_Jackie_Brown_

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_Snake_Eyes_ (R) **
    _Snake_Eyes_ is less a description of the film it titles than the manner
in which director Brian DePalma wields his camera--like a serpent,
slithering its way through the halls and over the walls of an Atlantic City
casino.   The title takes its cue from the differences in people's visual
perception from what really happens, and DePalma runs with the idea.  A
seamless 20-minute shot opens the film, following cop Rick Santoro (Nicolas
Cage) through the labyrinthian walkways of the casino's arena before and
during a championship boxing match.  Later, there's a flashback where a
subjective, point-of-view camera suddenly becomes objective without a
jarring break.  That's just one in a series of instances where DePalma uses
a subjective camera to enable the audience to see through characters' eyes,
which is a clever gimmick when assuming the fuzzy perspective of a woman
who has lost her glasses.  Then there's the use of a split screen to
document simultaneous action, a trick DePalma used to great effect in
_Dressed_to_Kill_.
    I tend to meet a director's decision to juice up the visuals with a raised
eyebrow, for it generally signifies that he or she is trying to distract
the audience from a problematic script.  And that is certainly the case
with _Snake_Eyes_, a pro forma conspiracy whodunit written by David Koepp
from a story he devised with DePalma.  The U.S. Secretary of Defense is
assassinated during a boxing match, and out to solve the crime is Santoro,
along with best friend Kevin Dunne (Gary Sinise, in a role originally
pegged for Will Smith), a Navy commander who was in charge of security.
Somehow figuring into the mystery is a mysterious blonde-wigged woman
(Carla Gugino) who took a seat in front of the Secretary seconds before the
shooting and caught a bullet herself.
    DePalma guides the audience through overlapping flashbacks and a flurry of
plot points with a rapidly-paced yet clear-eyed finesse.  But craftsmanship
is all anyone will get a sense of, from the direction to the strong acting
by Sinise and especially Cage, who adds another oddball characterization to
his resume with the fast-talking, Hawaiian shirt-wearing, morally
questionable Santoro.  The twists are thoroughly predictable, but even if
any tension and suspense were generated, it would all be squandered by the
film's contrived fizzle of an anticlimax, which is not only disappointing
but makes little sense.
    For all its metaphoric meanings, the title _Snake_Eyes_ is derived from a
line of dialogue.  One character tells another, "You have nothing.  Snake
eyes."  With his bottomless bag of stylish visual tricks, DePalma does have
"something" to offer in _Snake_Eyes_, but, ironically, it is that
"something" that points up just how much "nothing" lies underneath.

IN BRIEF

_Jane_Austen's_Mafia!_ (PG-13) **
_BASEketball_ (R) no stars
_Pecker_ (R) ** 1/2
    The freshness date for the joke-a-second comedy style pioneered by the
writing-directing team of David Zucker, Jim Abrahams, and Jerry Zucker in
1980's _Airplane!_ has just about expired--look no further than Abrahams's
latest ZAZ-flavored solo effort, _Jane_Austen's_Mafia!_ (which is being
promoted as just plain _Mafia!_ in spite of the onscreen title prefix).
While Abrahams had been able to keep the style, which crams ridiculous
sight and verbal gags within single scenes and shots, fresh, and funny in
his _Hot_Shots!_ films, most of the gags in the film (which he co-wrote
with Greg Norberg and Michael McManus) are simply uninspired.  A spoof of
_The_Godfather_, _The_Godfather_Part_II_, and _Casino_ (including riffs on
_The_English_Patient_, _Forrest_Gump_, _Child's_Play_, and even
_Showgirls_), _Mafia!_ packs no big laughs, only a handful of
smile-inducing jokes.  Not helping matters is the lackluster efforts of the
cast, led by a bland Jay Mohr as the Al Pacino stand-in and the late Lloyd
Bridges, noticeably frail, as the Marlon Brando-esque don.
    While Abrahams tries to milk the old ZAZ formula for more riches (and
coming up mostly dry), one of his former cohorts, David Zucker, tries to
modernize it by incorporating the background-gag style into a '90s lowbrow,
gross-out comedy.  The result, however, is simply disastrous.
_BASEketball_, about two losers (Trey Parker and Matt Stone, creators of
the cult hit TV series _South_Park_) who create a baseball/basketball
hybrid that becomes the national pastime, is a painfully unfunny would-be
satire of the commercialization of professional sports--or, rather, it
_initially_ sets out to be a satire, with its sharply written prologue
about how money became the center of all things athletic.  But once that
passage is done, Zucker, Robert LoCash, Lewis Friedman, and Jeff Wright's
script degenerates into a tedious series of unamusing and rather forced
gross-out gags, such as milk squirting from male nipples and the licking of
a vibrator.  There was only one funny gag, and that was when a familiar
buddy-buddy reconciliation scene culminated not in a warm hug, but in a
long, wet, tongue-heavy kiss (now that I've given that joke away, there's
no reason for you to see the movie).  As actors, Parker and Stone are...
well, creators of a cult cartoon show.  One has to wonder about Universal's
marketing campaign that boasts "starring the creators of _South_Park_."
I'm a big fan of _The_Simpsons_, but that doesn't mean I'll watch a film
starring creator Matt Groening.
    As low as Zucker or the modern masters of lowbrow comedy,
_There's_Something_About_Mary_'s Farrelly Brothers, go, no one can tap into
the uniquely warped wavelength of writer-director John Waters.  His latest,
_Pecker_, features more of his singular brand of cinematic dementia.  Among
the hilariously eccentric pieces of Baltimore white trash featured: a
sweets-obsessed young girl named Little Chrissy (Lauren Hulsey), who
guzzles Jolt cola and eats sugar straight from the sack; her mother Joyce
(Mary Kay Place), a thrift-shop owner who enjoys offering her fashion
"expertise" to the homeless; Chrissy's older sister Tina (Martha Plimpton),
who works at a gay male strip bar known for "teabagging" (don't ask); and
Chrissy's grandmother Memama (Jean Schertler), whose sacred statue of the
Virgin Mary not-so-miraculously "speaks" (she makes the voice herself).
    Toss in running gags about the pubic hair on lesbian strippers, and what
could possibly be wrong?  In short, the film doesn't have much of a pecker.
 The title character (a truly dazed Edward Furlong) is Little Chrissy's
perky older brother, who snaps photos of everyone and everything he sees
around him.  Pecker's photos of his "culturally challenged" family and
community come to arouse great interest in the New York art world, building
to a rise to fame that causes the inevitable friction with his family; his
girlfriend Shelley (Christina Ricci, wonderfully acid as always), who runs
her laundromat with an iron fist; and his gleeful shoplifter of a best
friend, Matt (Brendan Sexton III).  This main thrust of the film, however,
is downright flaccid compared to the comic potency of the fascinating and
wildly amusing weirdness of all else.  There's quite a bit to laugh at in
_Pecker_, but the sturdy jokes stand up at the periphery of a very limp
center.  (_Pecker_ opens September 25)

IN CURRENT RELEASE
(full reviews of the following in past MRs and at the listed URLs)

-_Armageddon_ (PG-13) *** <MR#149, 7/1/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#armageddon
-_Billy's_Hollywood_Screen_Kiss_ (R) *** <MR#148, 6/26/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#billy
-_Disturbing_Behavior_ (R) no stars <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#disturbing
-_Doctor_Dolittle_ (PG-13) ** <MR#148, 6/16/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#dolittle
-_Ever_After_ (PG-13) *** <MR#152, 7/30/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#everafter
-_Gone_with_the_Wind_ (G) **** <MR#147, 6/17/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#gwtw
-_Lethal_Weapon_4_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#lethal4
-_The_Mask_of_Zorro_ (PG-13) *** <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#zorro
-_Mulan_ (G) **** <MR#147, 6/17/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#mulan
-_The_Negotiator_ (R) *** <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#negotiator>
-_The_Opposite_of_Sex_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#144, 5/29/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt34.html#sex
-_Out_of_Sight_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#149, 7/1/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#outofsight
-_Polish_Wedding_ (PG-13) * 1/2 <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#polish
-_Saving_Private_Ryan_ (R) **** <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#ryan
-_Six_Days,_Seven_Nights_ (PG-13) *** <MR#146, 6/11/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#67
-_Small_Soldiers_ (PG) ** 1/2 <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#soldiers
-_There's_Something_About_Mary_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#mary
-_The_Truman_Show_ (PG) *** 1/2 <MR#145, 6/4/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#truman
-_The_X-Files_ (PG-13) *** 1/2 <MR#147, 6/17/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#x

FUTURE FILMS

-_Lolita_ (R) ** 1/2 <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#lolita
   (September 25)

O N  T H E  H O R I Z O N
OPENED WEDNESDAY

_Halloween:_H20--20_Years_Later_ (R) *** <full review in MR#152, 7/30/98;
and at http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#h20>
    Formulaic but fun 20th anniversary installment of the long-running horror
series, with Laurie Strode (Jamie Lee Curtis) once again stalked by her
murderous brother, Michael Myers.

FRIDAY

First Love, Last Rites
    Music video director (and former musician himself) Jesse Peretz makes his
big screen helming debut with this Louisiana-set romance between a drifter
(Giovanni Ribisi) and a young woman (Natasha Gregson Wagner).

Safe Men (R)
    Two lounge singers (Sam Rockwell and Steve Zahn) are mistaken for mob
safecrackers in this indie comedy.

Snake Eyes (R) ** <see above review>
    Brian DePalma's visually stylish fizzle of a whodunit, set in an Atlantic
City casino.  Nicolas Cage and Gary Sinise star.


~~~

=>V I D E O<=
N E W  T H I S  W E E K

_Deceiver_ (R) **1/2 <full review in MR#129, 2/5/98; and at
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt28.html#deceiver>
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/session/MRBR/moviepage.asp?MMID=40902
    Stylish, convoluted, moderately involving suspenser centering around the
interrogation of an heir (Tim Roth, terrific as always) suspected of
murdering a prostitute (Renee Zellweger).  (MGM/UA Home Video)

_Jackie_Brown_ (R) *** 1/2 <full review in MR#123, 12/24/98; and at
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt27.html#jb>
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/session/MRBR/moviepage.asp?MMID=40819
    Quentin Tarantino made a solid return to screenwriting and directing with
this gripping, if overlong, and surprisingly moving adaptation of Elmore
Leonard's _Rum_Punch_, focusing on a flight attendant (Pam Grier, robbed of
an Oscar nod) trying to outwit the arms dealer (Samuel L. Jackson) she
works for and the authorities.  Oscar nominee Robert Forster, Bridget
Fonda, Michael Keaton, and Robert DeNiro round out the solid ensemble.
(Miramax Home Entertainment)

A L S O  N E W  T H I S  W E E K

_Blues_Brothers_2000_ (PG-13)
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/session/MRBR/moviepage.asp?MMID=40908
    Sequel to the musical comedy, with John Goodman filling the void left by
John Belushi beside Dan Aykroyd.  (Universal Studios Home Video)

_Meet_the_Deedles_ (PG)
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/session/MRBR/moviepage.asp?MMID=40991
    A couple of surfer dudes (Paul Walker and Steve Van Wormer)
become park rangers in this juvenile comedy from Disney.  (Walt Disney Home
Video)

_The_Proposition_ (R)
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/session/MRBR/moviepage.asp?MMID=40988
    A well-to-do couple's (Kenneth Branagh and Madeleine Stowe)
decision to use a surrogate father sets off the usual chain of twisted,
scandalous
events.  William Hurt and erstwhile Doogie Howser, Neil Patrick Harris,
also star.  (PolyGram Video)

_The_Wedding_Singer_ (PG-13)
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/session/MRBR/moviepage.asp?MMID=40925
    The latest Adam Sandler vehicle finds the comedian playing a
wedding singer in the year 1985 who falls for the bride (Drew Barrymore) at
one
of the ceremonies.  (New Line Home Video)


~~~

=>N E X T  W E E K<=

A much longer MR _will_ arrive on Thursday, with more reviews, including:
-_Dance_with_Me_
-_Return_to_Paradise_
-_Your_Friends_&_Neighbors_

'til then...

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Subject: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 07 Aug 1998 12:11:31 -0700


Garrett Winters <[e-mail]> Wrote re in response to some
bashing of "Godzilla" and "Lost in Space":

>I really don't know what people
expect from a movie nowadays...
My stock reply to someone when they say this movie or that tv
show sucked
is " Could you do better?"

You must have extremely low expectations for your moviegoing
experiences. When I go to the movies, I expect to see something
creative and profession, not some dreck that just anybody could
come up with in their spare time.

Sure, "Godzilla" and "Lost in Space" had lots of special effects,
but that's all they had. The originals on which they were based
may have been cheesy, but they had a charm and an unself-consciousness
that the new movies lacked.

Needless to say, I hated both films (rants at http://www.flickfilosopher.com/flickfilos/archive/2q98/godzillalostworld.html
and http://www.flickfilosopher.com/flickfilos/archive/1q98/lostinspace.html).

MaryAnn Johanson
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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/07/98
Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:07:47 -0600 (MDT)

Two fledgling Hollywood writers, who have yet to get a script
produced, managed to secure what could turn out to be the
highest-paying screenplay deal ever. Brandon Camp and Mike Thompson
stand to earn an unprecedented $8.5 million for their original
screenplay, "Steinbeck's Point of View," and a second film they would
pen under a "blind-script" commitment if both pictures get made. The
deal was structured with the intention of putting "Steinbeck's Point
of View," described as a "Field of Dreams"-style romance, on a fast
track at Warner Bros. A number of directors and stars, including Tom
Cruise, have shown interest in the project, but none is attached.

                        -=> * <=-

Premature babies will have a tough time finding work in Hollywood
under a new law signed by California Gov. Pete Wilson. The statute,
signed into law this week, prohibits the use of premature babies
under the age of one month in TV and films. The state passed the law
at the urging of the Screen Actors Guild. Under the new law, infants
below the age of one month cannot be employed unless a doctor
certifies the baby was carried to full term, was of normal birth
weight, is at least 15 days old, has sufficiently developed lungs,
eyes, heart and immune system and "is physically capable of handling
the stress of filmmaking."

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From: Gary Pruitt <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] HELP
Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:51:06 -0500


    On our list for this weekend are:  The Negotiator and Holloween H2O.
Nothing like gratuitous violence and gore to take you mind off of things!!!
LOL

At 06:26 AM 8/7/98 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey there!
>
> Okay I have to be the worst movie watcher ever!! I have only seen two
>that's right two movies this year. One was City of angels and the other
>one was Anastasia. I know, I know. I haven't even seen Titanic. I am one
>of the few ( if there are any left that is). I just got off a mini
>mission, and now I am getting ready to go on a full time mission. I
>would love to watch a movie, but I have about a million things to do
>before I head to the MTC. If any of you can help me fill in my movie
>gap, I would be grateful!!
>
>Megan in Canada
>
>Email [e-mail]
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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/07/98
Date: 07 Aug 1998 13:54:49 -0600 (MDT)

Despite their reputations for having egos of the highest
order, Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston -- or, for equal
billing, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey -- will record
their first-ever duet together. The song is "When You
Believe," the theme to the DreamWorks animated feature "The
Prince of Egypt." The cartoon, due this Christmas, tells the
tale of Moses (whose voice is Val Kilmer's). Producing the
title tune for Mariah and Whitney -- or Whitney and Mariah
-- is Babyface.

                        -=> * <=-

Entertainment industry analysts tell the Los Angeles
Business Journal that Hollywood is experiencing a changing
of the guard, a shift that typically occurs about once every
20 years. Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Demi
Moore and others are losing ground at the box office to the
likes of Jim Carrey, Leonardo DiCaprio and Cameron Diaz. A
study by Reel Source, Inc., which charts movie grosses,
shows that even though the older stars are still pulling
down big bucks, they are losing their drawing power.

                        -=> * <=-

Steven Spielberg's widely acclaimed World War II film
"Saving Private Ryan" is drawing fire. Some African-American
veterans are complaining that the film fails to portray
their role during the war. Sheila Douglas, a spokeswoman for
the NAACP, tells New York's Daily News the organization has
been fielding complaints. Spielberg spokesman Marvin Levy
contends that the film concentrates on a small unit at a
time when the U.S. military was not fully integrated.

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Subject: [MV] Coming Monday, 8.10, to The Flick Filosopher...
Date: 07 Aug 1998 20:23:33 -0000

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Web. She spent her days in deep, dark movie theaters, most of the time
shaking her head at the screen, and then she'd return her cottage to sit
in front of her magic writing box, most of the time spewing out rants
bemoaning the state of all things filmic.

One day, while she was wandering the labyrinthine aisles of her local
Blockbuster, a small child approached the filosopher.

"My brother says you're a witch. Are you a good witch or a bad witch?" the
child asked the filosopher.

"I'm not any kind of witch," the filosopher replied with a kindly smile.
"Could be your brother used that other word, the one that rhymes with
'witch' and starts with a 'b.'"

The child considered this for a moment. "Could be," the child said, and
wandered off.

The filosopher thought about this encounter all the way home. Perhaps she
had become less than enthusiastic lately. "I absorb so much of the dreck
the evil lords of Hollywood send forth into the world," she told herself.
"Perhaps it's time to recharge."

So the filosopher vowed that this week, she would enjoy some Fairy Tales.
She would view "Ever After," a tale of Cinderella, and a trio of magical
confections from her childhood, newly gussied up: the Special Editions of
"Star Wars," "The Empire Strikes Back," and "The Return of the Jedi."

And all would be made right with the world.

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about last Monday's columns this morning? That was the message that went
astray last Friday, and ListBot only today got around to dispatching it.
Needless to say, I've fired off a letter of complaint to the ListBot gods.

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From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:02:43 -0700

I have to say that the response of "Can you do better." is absolutely
inappropriate.  Would you hold judgement on a quack doctor because
you can't do better?  Would you hold judgement on  an incompetent
plumber because you can't do better?

We pay for a product and have every right to expect quality work.  I
happen to think that Godzilla and Lost in Space are both horrible
movies and no superduper f/x would have saved them.  Movies depend on
scripts and neither of these had a decent one.  Both of those movies
are bombs at the box office so thank god the public has given their
opinion and hopefully the studios will not be so quick to dump such
crap on us in the future.

bb

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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:15:52 -0700

HERE HERE!! I've been wasting my breath on the very same point with my
husband about ALL Segal's and Harlin's movies!!!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Bruce Bridges [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Friday, August 07, 1998 2:03 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
>
> I have to say that the response of "Can you do better." is absolutely
> inappropriate.  Would you hold judgement on a quack doctor because
> you can't do better?  Would you hold judgement on  an incompetent
> plumber because you can't do better?
>
> We pay for a product and have every right to expect quality work.  I
> happen to think that Godzilla and Lost in Space are both horrible
> movies and no superduper f/x would have saved them.  Movies depend on
> scripts and neither of these had a decent one.  Both of those movies
> are bombs at the box office so thank god the public has given their
> opinion and hopefully the studios will not be so quick to dump such
> crap on us in the future.
>
> bb
>
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/07/98
Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:17:57 -0700

> [ The frogurt is also cursed! ] [Romero, Leticia]   what does this
> mean??!!!!
>
>
>
>
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From: "Kelly L. Garrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Saving Private Ryan, The Killer, Lethal Weapon 4 and Disturbing , Behavior, Something about Mary, Zorro
Date: 07 Aug 1998 14:52:56 -0700 (PDT)


Saving Private Ryan was amazing... I have to admit the violence really
got to me, though. I mean, I sat through the Killers without a problem
(for that matter, I haven't had a problem with anything by Woo) but some
of the images from Saving Private Ryan have bothered me for days.

Lethal Weapon 4 was amusing. Unabelievable, probably offensive to anyone
of Chinese descent, but it was funny.

Disturbing Behavoir. Well, I saw this one because I watched it while at
work, so therefore it was free (almost every movie I've seen this summer
has been while I have been at work, so I haven't really gotten to choose
what I am going to see.)  I can't say it is worth seeing. It wasn't bad,
but it was fairly lame. My resident loved it, but...

Zorro. Another work movie, but this movie was enjoyable. I can't say much
other than I liked it. Good sword fights, etc.

There's Something About Mary: enjoyable, funny, not my usual type of show
but all in all a good experience. Not a bad way to spend time and money...

The Killer. Excellent. Incredibly violent... I'm not going to say much
more because I bet that anyone who sees this probably already knows about
it. I can't decide whether I prefer Hard Boiled or The Killer more (I saw
both with subtitles. Any other way would be... wrong.)


I think my favorite movie from the summer is Clockwatchers.
That's about all- time to go complete a 58 hour work week..... it's hard
not to lament...


kg


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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] FW: Story
Date: 07 Aug 1998 16:30:27 -0700

This is only slightly movie related, but I thought you all would get a
laugh...


> A true story!
>
> Having her hair done at a West Hempstead, New York beauty parlor, a
> woman told a cautionary tale about racial prejudice. This story deserves
> a wider audience.
>
> On a recent weekend in Atlantic City the woman related, she won a
> bucketful of quarters at a slot machine. She took a break from the slot
> for dinner with her husband in the hotel
> dining room. But first she would stash the quarters in her room.
>
> "I'll be right back and we'll go to eat," she told her husband and she
> carried the coin-laden bucket to the elevator bank. As she was about to
> walk into an elevator she noticed two
> men already aboard.
> Both were black. One of them was big. Very big. An intimidating figure.
> The woman froze.
> Her first thought was these two are going to rob me. Her next thought
> was don't be a bigot, they look like perfectly nice gentlemen, even if
> one of them is awfully big. But racial
> stereotypes are powerful, and fear immobilized her.
> She stood and stared at the two men. She felt anxious, flustered,
> ashamed. She hoped they didn't read her mind but knew they surely did;
> her hesitation about joining them on
> the elevator was all too obvious. Her face burned. She couldn't just
> stand there, so with a mighty effort of will she picked up one foot and
> stepped forward and followed with the
> other foot and was on the elevator.
> Avoiding eye contact, she turned around stiffly and faced the elevator
> doors as they closed. A second passed, and then another second, and then
> another. The elevator didn't
> move. Panic consumed her. My God, she thought, I'm trapped and about to
> be robbed!
> Her heart plummeted. Perspiration poured from every pore.
> Then one of the men said, "Hit the floor." Instinct told her: Do what
> they tell you. The bucket of quarters flew upwards as she threw out her
> arms and collapsed on the elevator
> carpet. A shower of coins rained down on her. Take my money and spare
> me, she prayed. More seconds passed.
> She heard one of the men say politely, "Ma'am, if you'll just tell us
> what floor you're going to, we'll push the button." The one who said it
> had a little trouble getting words out.
> He was trying mightily to hold in a belly laugh. She lifted her head and
> looked up at the two men. They reached down to help her up. Confused,
> she struggled to her feet.
> "When I told my man here to hit the floor," the average sized one told
> her, "I meant that he should hit the elevator button for our floor. I
> didn't mean for you to hit the floor,
> ma'am." He spoke genially. He bit his lip. It was obvious he was having
> a hard time not laughing. She thought: My God, what a spectacle I've
> made of myself. She was too humiliated to speak. She wanted to blurt out
> an apology, but words failed her. How do you apologize to two perfectly
> respectable gentlemen for behaving as though they were robbing you?? She
> didn't know.
> The 3 of them gathered up the strewn quarters and refilled her bucket.
> When the elevator arrived at her floor, they insisted on walking her to
> her room. She seemed a little unsteady on her feet, and they were afraid
> she might not make it down the
> corridor. At her door they bid her good evening. As she slipped into her
> room, she could hear them laughing while they walked back to the
> elevator.
> The woman brushed herself off.? She pulled herself together and went
> downstairs for dinner with her husband.
> The next morning flowers were delivered to her room--a dozen roses.
> Attached to each rose was a crisp one hundred dollar bill.
>
> The card read, "Thanks for the best laugh we've had in years."
> It was signed, Eddie Murphy and Bodyguard.

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From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
Date: 08 Aug 1998 01:37:58 +0100

Well here's a tuppence worth ...
I'll agree that the comment about doing better was a tad inappropriate,
having said that I've seen Godzilla and Lost In Space, and in spite of the
flaws apparent in both, enjoyed them both thoroughly, both as a ancient fan
of monster movies and old, old sci-fi TV series. I can't say I expected
either to be of the calibre of Saving Private Ryan, but instead was content
that at least this time I wouldn't be noticing the zipper in the monsters
back or the robot wobbling around on the trucked-in-dirt lot.
It appeared that both could have used a more talented scriptwriter and
casting agent, but there are very few films that are really well written or
cast - and I felt the same on just about every 'major' blockbuster film
released in the past 5 years.
Everyone loathed and despised Twister, Batman, Jurassic Park, Independence
Day and so on and so forth when they were released - but let's face it,
blockbusters aren't about Oscar winning scripts or deep & meaningful life
lessons - they're about fun and destruction and mostly they do have a pretty
cheesy script!
To be honest, I was more surprised that everyone seemed to love The Fifth
Element so much, when the story was practically cobbled together like a pair
of old shoes, the dialogue was about as bland as could be, the creature
effects were nicked straight from Return of the Jedi (soldiers and singers
both!) ... yada yada yada ... but there it is.
The casting of both Godzilla and Lost In Space was pretty outfield but
otherwise they delivered good action sequences and even got the audiences
laughing from time to time. It's just an evening's entertainment.
-----Original Message-----


>I have to say that the response of "Can you do better." is absolutely
>inappropriate.  Would you hold judgement on a quack doctor because
>you can't do better?  Would you hold judgement on  an incompetent
>plumber because you can't do better?
>
>We pay for a product and have every right to expect quality work.  I
>happen to think that Godzilla and Lost in Space are both horrible
>movies and no superduper f/x would have saved them.  Movies depend on
>scripts and neither of these had a decent one.  Both of those movies
>are bombs at the box office so thank god the public has given their
>opinion and hopefully the studios will not be so quick to dump such
>crap on us in the future.
>
>bb
>
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Subject: Re: [MV] HELP
Date: 07 Aug 1998 19:55:11 -0500

Megan,

There are a lot of good movies that you should check out. First of all, you
HAVE to see Titanic if you haven't seen it yet.  It is probably still in
those theaters that only charge about a dollar, but that is the only place
you'd find it until Sept. 1 (which is when it comes out on video).

I secondly highly recommend that you see Armageddon.  I really enjoyed this
movie. It had everything; drama, comedy, romance, tragedy, and action.

 I also suggest you taking a look at Deep Impact. It is sort of like
Armageddon, but much more fast-paced (in my opinion).

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From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
Date: 08 Aug 1998 02:28:37 cet

> We pay for a product and have every right to expect quality work.  I
> happen to think that Godzilla and Lost in Space are both horrible
> movies and no superduper f/x would have saved them.  Movies depend on
> scripts and neither of these had a decent one.  Both of those movies
> are bombs at the box office so thank god the public has given their
> opinion and hopefully the studios will not be so quick to dump such
> crap on us in the future.

Well said. I think the sad thing is that many of us *could* actually do better.
There is so much focus on FX these days that plot and character seem to be
largely absent. Anyone putting more focus on that than on explosions is very
likely to do better. People still want to see stories about people and not
explosions. 90 min of mere FX are simply not enough. I  doubt though that
these films will vanish. I presume Godzilla will still make the break even - even
if it is done by action figures and merchandise, and as long as these films
cash in enough money they will be made over and over again. The plague on
computer animations! They should be supporting and not compete in the
category of main interest in a film. I think we have to live with the fact that
these films are not targeted at a mature audience but rather on kids. And in the
end we are not really discussing the latest Muppet movies - so maybe we just
have to live with the fact that these films are not targeted at us and forget
about them.
We can only pray that the Stars Wars sequel will have some quality with a
revival of plot - although this will probably mean that there'll be another Battle
Star Galactica with cheap FX and silly story.

thomas

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Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
Date: 07 Aug 1998 23:53:04 EDT

In a message dated 8/8/98 1:00:34 AM !!!First Boot!!!, [e-mail]
writes:

<< I think we have to live with the fact that
 these films are not targeted at a mature audience but rather on kids. And in
the
 end we are not really discussing the latest Muppet movies - so maybe we just
 have to live with the fact that these films are not targeted at us and forget
 about them.
 We can only pray that the Stars Wars sequel will have some quality with a
 revival of plot - although this will probably mean that there'll be another
Battle
 Star Galactica with cheap FX and silly story.
  >>


This makes me angry.  I cannot adequately reply right now.

Nothing lights my fuses more than pseudo-intellectual superiority.


Buzzy

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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Saving Private Ryan
Date: 08 Aug 1998 00:57:07 -0400

At 02.52 PM 07/08/98 -0700, Kelly L. Garrett wrote:
>
>Saving Private Ryan was amazing... I have to admit the violence really
>got to me, though. I mean, I sat through the Killers without a problem
>(for that matter, I haven't had a problem with anything by Woo) but some
>of the images from Saving Private Ryan have bothered me for days.

From everything I have heard of this movie, it reminds me of Platoon, which
I saw at University.  When that movie ended, it was so hard to come back to
reality.  Walking out of the theatre into a cold Northern Pennsylvania
night was almost a shock to the system.

Since that time, this has been my criterion for a very good movie.  It must
make me forget where I am.  When the house lights come up, if it takes me a
second to get my bearings, then I feel it is money well spent.

Even some of my favourite movies have not affected me like that, and I
never sat thru Platoon again.  But I will never forget the first time I saw
that movie.

For this reason, and this reason only, I am looking forward to seeing
Saving Pvt Ryan on the big screen.  I just know in my heart that the power
of this movie will make everything else pale in comparison.

Regards,

--Mel


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From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
Date: 08 Aug 1998 10:51:33 cet


> To be honest, I was more surprised that everyone seemed to love The Fifth
> Element so much, when the story was practically cobbled together like a pair
> of old shoes, the dialogue was about as bland as could be, the creature
> effects were nicked straight from Return of the Jedi (soldiers and singers
> both!) ... yada yada yada ... but there it is.

all of that is true - one could argue whether the references are deliberate - but
I don't think that is going anywhere. I think the difference is that 5th element
was somewhat different in its style - trying to be innovative (Even when most
of it is stolen). It was pretty obvious that this is not a Hwood film (maybe this is
why critics loved it) but had a true French flavour to it. I thought that the
effects were put to a better use in this one than in any of those you
mentioned. I believe the visuals served a different purpose (but I can't put the
finger on it - so I might as well be wrong here). Maybe it was just not quite as
mainstream and maybe I sensed some ambition there beyond making big
bucks. I can't tell. Your arguments are good, but there was something that
made me overlook the rather cheasy script. I would prefer more of those kinda
films than another Batman done in the fashion of the last one.

BTW does anyone know whether there is a sequel to Batman- think I
remember something like that and I think I remember Burton being in charge -
but that might just be wishful thinking.

thomas

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From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Armageddon -Reply
Date: 08 Aug 1998 11:22:35 +0100

Well, of course the references MIGHT have been deliberate - but in both
Godzilla and Lost In Space the references WERE DEFINITELY deliberate and
that's what everyone hated (!) - the inconsistency of the emotional
responses is what I'm confused about :)
-----Original Message-----



> To be honest, I was more surprised that everyone seemed to love The Fifth
> Element so much, when the story was practically cobbled together like a
pair
> of old shoes, the dialogue was about as bland as could be, the creature
> effects were nicked straight from Return of the Jedi (soldiers and singers
> both!) ... yada yada yada ... but there it is.

all of that is true - one could argue whether the references are
deliberate - but
I don't think that is going anywhere. I think the difference is that 5th
element
was somewhat different in its style - trying to be innovative (Even when
most
of it is stolen). It was pretty obvious that this is not a Hwood film (maybe
this is
why critics loved it) but had a true French flavour to it. I thought that
the
effects were put to a better use in this one than in any of those you
mentioned. I believe the visuals served a different purpose (but I can't put
the
finger on it - so I might as well be wrong here). Maybe it was just not
quite as
mainstream and maybe I sensed some ambition there beyond making big
bucks. I can't tell. Your arguments are good, but there was something that
made me overlook the rather cheasy script. I would prefer more of those
kinda
films than another Batman done in the fashion of the last one.

BTW does anyone know whether there is a sequel to Batman- think I
remember something like that and I think I remember Burton being in charge -
but that might just be wishful thinking.

thomas

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From: MaryAnn Johanson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] FW: Story
Date: 08 Aug 1998 11:27:19 -0400

Romero, Leticia wrote:

> This is only slightly movie related, but I thought you all would get a
> laugh...
>
> > A true story!
> ...
> > The card read, "Thanks for the best laugh we've had in years."
> > It was signed, Eddie Murphy and Bodyguard.

Hate to burst your bubble, but this is an urban myth that's been around at
least since the 70s. Variations on the story have the black man as Lionel
Richie or Richard Pryor (obviously, an older version of the story), and often
instead of a bodyguard the black man has a huge dog with him -- instead of
saying "Hit the floor," the man says, "Sit" to the dog, and the woman thinks
she's talking to him.

There's a mythology professor from, I believe, the University of Utah named
Jan Brunvald who's written a bunch of books on the subject. They're great
reading!

MaryAnn

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From: Garrett Winters <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/07/98
Date: 08 Aug 1998 18:53:25 +0100

 [Romero, Leticia] writes
>> [ The frogurt is also cursed! ]   what does this mean??!!!!
>>
I asked myself that very same question then realized it is from one of
the Simpsons Halloween specials, when Homer goes into a weird shop to buy
Bart a birthday present and gets him the Killer Krusty doll. The
shopkeeper tells homer how everything in the shop is cursed but he will
get a free Frogurt, Homer says "woohoo"  and the shopkeeper says " the
frogurt is also cursed
So what do I win? :)
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From: "Kelly L. Garrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Saving Private Ryan
Date: 08 Aug 1998 13:27:48 -0700 (PDT)


I like your description of Platoon, and have to agree with you- Platoon
and Saving Private Ryan do have the same effect, although I would have to
say that Saving Private Ryan has more of one. My judgement is slightly
skewed, however, because I have only seen Platoon on video. I wasn't old
enough to see it in theaters when it first came out.

kg

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998, Mel Eperthener wrote:

> At 02.52 PM 07/08/98 -0700, Kelly L. Garrett wrote:
> >
> >Saving Private Ryan was amazing... I have to admit the violence really
> >got to me, though. I mean, I sat through the Killers without a problem
> >(for that matter, I haven't had a problem with anything by Woo) but some
> >of the images from Saving Private Ryan have bothered me for days.
>
> From everything I have heard of this movie, it reminds me of Platoon, which
> I saw at University.  When that movie ended, it was so hard to come back to
> reality.  Walking out of the theatre into a cold Northern Pennsylvania
> night was almost a shock to the system.
>
> Since that time, this has been my criterion for a very good movie.  It must
> make me forget where I am.  When the house lights come up, if it takes me a
> second to get my bearings, then I feel it is money well spent.
>
> Even some of my favourite movies have not affected me like that, and I
> never sat thru Platoon again.  But I will never forget the first time I saw
> that movie.
>
> For this reason, and this reason only, I am looking forward to seeing
> Saving Pvt Ryan on the big screen.  I just know in my heart that the power
> of this movie will make everything else pale in comparison.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Mel
>
>
> --Mel Eperthener
> president, Gowanna Multi-media Pty
>
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From: "Kelly L. Garrett" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] HELP
Date: 08 Aug 1998 13:44:44 -0700 (PDT)


Megan-

My question to you is what kind of movies do you want to see? (I might be
missing something here, but I believe you just asked for suggestions.) Do
you want popular/blockbuster movies, art films, what time line are you
looking for, etc. Tonya's suggestions are fairly pop-culture (there's
nothing wrong with that.) If you want something out in theaters now, you
should check out Saving Private Ryan because it won't be the same on home
video (here's a no-brain generalization: it doesn't make a difference if
you watch an art film on home video because you lose that much due to the
lack of special effects.) I haven't been to see Armageddon yet, but it
sounds like one that is probably best in the theater.

My suggestion for video rentals are the New Jersey trilogy- Clerks,
Mallrats, and Chasing Amy (and watch them in that order else you won't
get all the references, which are a good portion of the humor.)

kg

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Tonya =) wrote:

> Megan,
>
> There are a lot of good movies that you should check out. First of all, you
> HAVE to see Titanic if you haven't seen it yet.  It is probably still in
> those theaters that only charge about a dollar, but that is the only place
> you'd find it until Sept. 1 (which is when it comes out on video).
>
> I secondly highly recommend that you see Armageddon.  I really enjoyed this
> movie. It had everything; drama, comedy, romance, tragedy, and action.
>
>  I also suggest you taking a look at Deep Impact. It is sort of like
> Armageddon, but much more fast-paced (in my opinion).
>
> -Tonya
> [e-mail]
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> on size. I am sure that some chihuahuas have some pretty good ideas!"
>
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From: "David Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Something about mary - a question...
Date: 09 Aug 1998 10:20:46 +0800

I've heard a couple of good reviews about the movie, Something About Mary,
that it's funny and all... could somebody be kind enough to tell me who is
in the cast of the movie? Thanks.



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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/07/98
Date: 09 Aug 1998 14:17:36 -0600

A free frogurt!

Garrett Winters wrote:
>
>  [Romero, Leticia] writes
> >> [ The frogurt is also cursed! ]   what does this mean??!!!!
> >>
> I asked myself that very same question then realized it is from one of
> the Simpsons Halloween specials, when Homer goes into a weird shop to buy
> Bart a birthday present and gets him the Killer Krusty doll. The
> shopkeeper tells homer how everything in the shop is cursed but he will
> get a free Frogurt, Homer says "woohoo"  and the shopkeeper says " the
> frogurt is also cursed
> So what do I win? :)
> Garrett
>
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From: Jayson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] HELP
Date: 10 Aug 1998 08:29:31 +0800 (HKT)

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998, Meyers, Megan wrote:

> Hey there!
>
>  Okay I have to be the worst movie watcher ever!! I have only seen two
> that's right two movies this year. One was City of angels and the other
> one was Anastasia. I know, I know. I haven't even seen Titanic. I am one
> of the few ( if there are any left that is). I just got off a mini
> mission, and now I am getting ready to go on a full time mission. I
> would love to watch a movie, but I have about a million things to do
> before I head to the MTC. If any of you can help me fill in my movie
> gap, I would be grateful!!
>
> Megan in Canada
>


Watch Titanic to fill in half of that movie gap! :)

Jayson
-----------------
I've been down this road walkin' the line
That's painted by pride
And I have made mistakes in my life
That I just can't hide
Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
I've been searching my soul tonight
I know there's so much more to life
Now I know I can shine a light
To find my way back home


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From: Jayson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Something about mary - a question...
Date: 10 Aug 1998 08:47:38 +0800 (HKT)

On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, David Lee wrote:

> I've heard a couple of good reviews about the movie, Something About Mary,
> that it's funny and all... could somebody be kind enough to tell me who is
> in the cast of the movie? Thanks.
>

Cameron Diaz, Ben Stiller and Matt Dillon. And it's There's Something
About Mary.


Jayson
-----------------
I've been down this road walkin' the line
That's painted by pride
And I have made mistakes in my life
That I just can't hide
Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
I've been searching my soul tonight
I know there's so much more to life
Now I know I can shine a light
To find my way back home


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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] MOVIE MANIA
Date: 10 Aug 1998 01:18:29 -0400

Thanks for all of your input in filling my gap!! I have learned so
much!! The reason why I can't see the movies before I go, is because I
am still saving for my mission. My family are not members and they
refuse to support me, but the Stake Pres. Said that the Stake would help
me. Man I am going to be one poor missionary, but it will all be worth
it!!

 If you ever have any more updates-- send them!! I was shocked at all
the responses, but I am extremely grateful!!

Megan in Canada

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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/10/98
Date: 10 Aug 1998 12:33:47 -0600 (MDT)

If you wondered where everyone was this weekend - they were at the
movies. Early estimates of the weekend box office show the top three
movies brought in more than $16 million each in ticket sales. But
despite the competition from a pair of openers, Steven Spielberg's
"Saving Private Ryan" retained its top spot on the box-office chart
for the third straight week. The film brought in an estimated $17.6
million, raising its 17-day take to $104 million. Coming in second
was the new thriller "Snake Eyes," which earned $16.5 million,
followed by fright-sequel "Halloween: H20," which earned $16 million.
Rounding out the top five were "There's Something About Mary" and
"The Parent Trap."

                        -=> * <=-

In news related to "There's Something About Mary," Bobby
Farrelly, who teamed with brother Peter to make the movie,
said the zipper scene is based on an unfortunate incident
that happened to a friend in about the eighth grade when the
brothers were hosting a party. "One of the kids at the party
went up into the bathroom and just tangled up his manhood to
no end," Bobby told the Chicago Tribune. "After about an
hour of struggling with it, my parents -- my father's a
doctor, my  mother's a nurse -- they had to go in and free
willy, if you will."

                        -=> * <=-

It was a big movie weekend. Box-office estimates show the
top three movies brought in more than $16 million each in
ticket sales. But despite the competition from a pair of
openers, Steven Spielberg's "Saving Private Ryan" retained
its top spot on the chart for the third straight week. The
film brought in an estimated $17.6 million, raising its
17-day take to $104 million. Coming in second was the new
thriller "Snake Eyes," which earned $16.5 million, followed
by fright-sequel "Halloween: H20," which earned $16 million.
Rounding out the top five were "There's Something About
Mary" ($9.8 million, with business still strong after a
month) and "The Parent Trap" ($8.2 million).

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Subject: [MV] H20
Date: 10 Aug 1998 16:28:42 EDT

H20

Could've been a better movie.

But, considering the mood I was in, a very bad one, it worked.  Helped me work
through some very aggressive, angry feelings.  Left me exploring the validity
of claims that horror movies inspire violence.

Scares?  Not really.  There was plenty of the, been there and done that, feel
but no real scares.  A few startles was more like it.

Jamie Lee Curtis tries real hard with what she is given but that really is not
enough.  Her character seems to have been given the dregs of what could have
been deeply complex motivation.

The rest of the characters, as well as the plot, are much the same.  Thinly
drawn with not nearly enough depth.  A chance remark alluding to one
character's potential to become another Norman Bates leads to intriguing
possibilities for future sequels but that is pretty much it.

It rather typically breaks down to body count as well as what will or will not
stop Michael Myers this go round.


Buzzy

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From: Garrett Winters <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/07/98
Date: 10 Aug 1998 22:31:54 +0100

Gregory A. Swarthout writes
>A free frogurt!

Woohoo :) and who cares if it's cursed :)
Garrett
I can't believe I ate the whole thing
On a movie note I've been following the torturous trail that is
Terminator III and I'm wondering are Schwarzenegger and Cameron still
holding out for some reason? From what I read on this side of the pond it
seems as though a screenplay is being circulated but who would even
consider replacing the above two?
>
>Garrett Winters wrote:
>>
>>  [Romero, Leticia] writes
>> >> [ The frogurt is also cursed! ]   what does this mean??!!!!
>> >>
>> I asked myself that very same question then realized it is from one of
>> the Simpsons Halloween specials, when Homer goes into a weird shop to buy
>> Bart a birthday present and gets him the Killer Krusty doll. The
>> shopkeeper tells homer how everything in the shop is cursed but he will
>> get a free Frogurt, Homer says "woohoo"  and the shopkeeper says " the
>> frogurt is also cursed
>> So what do I win? :)

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From: Garrett Winters <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 10 Aug 1998 22:31:36 +0100

Mary Ann Johanson writes
>You must have extremely low expectations for your moviegoing
>experiences. When I go to the movies, I expect to see something
>creative and profession, not some dreck that just anybody could
>come up with in their spare time.
No I wouldn't say that at all, I expect a movie to entertain me. Period.
There are no rule books that say a movie has to have a plot, in fact some
of moviedoms most succesful films have had no plot to speak of( I won't
quote which ones but if you don't know the ones I mean think Lucas,
Allen, Cameron)
As for being dreck that anyone could turn out, HA, there are countless
turkeys out there that were far worse than either of these films and far
less Professional.
>
>Sure, "Godzilla" and "Lost in Space" had lots of special effects,
>but that's all they had. The originals on which they were based
>may have been cheesy, but they had a charm and an unself-consciousness
>that the new movies lacked.
At the time they first came out they may have had those qualities but as
the years passed the glow fell off them. Only the first 6 episodes of LIS
could be considered classic as the focus shifted from scifi to camp after
that. You might not have seen the LIS original with the attack of the
giant carrot or as if you did you wouldn't claim it had charm. The movie
was very true to those original 6 eps and I can't wait for the sequel (
to both films as there is no doubt about a godzilla 2 and probably 3
especially after the record breaking opening day in Japan)
Garrett

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Subject: RE: [MV] Armageddon/ Tall Poppies
Date: 10 Aug 1998 22:31:28 +0100

Scott Proctor writes
>Sorry to sound like an idiot, but what is the "Tall Poppy Syndrome"?
I suppose it might be called differently in other countries but basically
it is where we get behind a struggling person in their chosen field but
once they achieve superstardom all we want is to drag them down. Look at
Bill Gates, I remember when he was a struggling computer geek and we all
cheered when he made his first million ( and he was only about 20 years
old) but now that he is on top everyone seems to blame him for the
problems with the world. Richard Branson, Sylvester Stallone, Bill
Clinton have all suffered the same treatment over the years. Quite
possibly in 10 years time we might be cursing the ground Marc Andreeson (
of Netscape fame) walks on but right now he is everyones hero because he
dares to take on the giants.
I think it all goes back to David and Goliath and how we instinctively
support the underdog against the giant, but once the underdog wins, the
support is withdrawn and the attacks begin.
I'm not sure what the source of Tall Poppy is but maybe it has something
to do with lopping the tops off tall plants in the garden to keep them
growing at a level pace.
Garrett

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From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck -Reply
Date: 10 Aug 1998 15:02:47 -0700

Godzilla may have broken records on opening day in Japan but that was
strictly based on curiosity.  The movie is a big, fat bomb there.

Sequel to Either?  Hmmm.  Perhaps there will be sequels but I'm sure
that they would be as a result of prior commitments and not
satisfaction with the original films.

 I would love to see how you bring back Dr. Smith (but temper his
evil) since he was always a critical part of the series.  And I think
Camp is what made the original LIS series memorable.

For a sequel to Godzilla they just ignore the iguana and bring back
the original DINOSAUR.

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From: MaryAnn Johanson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 10 Aug 1998 19:32:15 -0400

Garrett Winters wrote:

> There are no rule books that say a movie has to have a plot, in fact some
> of moviedoms most succesful films have had no plot to speak of( I won't
> quote which ones but if you don't know the ones I mean think Lucas,
> Allen, Cameron)

Please enlighten us as to which successful Cameron and Lucas movies had no
plot.

> As for being dreck that anyone could turn out, HA, there are countless
> turkeys out there that were far worse than either of these films and far
> less Professional.

And there are many, many films that are better.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Famous Lines
Date: 10 Aug 1998 23:46:39 -0400 (EDT)

Hi,

I'd lost track of the mailing list for a while. I was wondering if the 'quotes from movies' fiesta recently has been fully compiled? I sure would like to know the answers... :)


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From: Blacknight <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Famous Lines
Date: 11 Aug 1998 12:48:56 +0800

[e-mail] wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd lost track of the mailing list for a while. I was wondering if the
> 'quotes from movies' fiesta recently has been fully compiled? I sure
> would like to know the answers... :)
>

It was almost completed, but unfortunately, the file was deleted during
the revamping of my hard disk.

Blacknight

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Subject: Re: [MV] Famous Lines
Date: 11 Aug 1998 01:08:17 -0400

At 12.48 PM 11/08/98 +0800, Blacknight wrote:
>> I'd lost track of the mailing list for a while. I was wondering if the
>> 'quotes from movies' fiesta recently has been fully compiled? I sure
>> would like to know the answers... :)
>>
>
>It was almost completed, but unfortunately, the file was deleted during
>the revamping of my hard disk.

Why didn't you say something earlier??  I just (yesterday) trashed like 4
000 messages yesterday.  Probably could have sorted everything out.  I'll
look, as I think I saved a few of the messages, but I'm sure that someone
still has enough info to make re-doing it worthwhile.

Regards,

--Mel


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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Summertime....
Date: 11 Aug 1998 01:31:05 -0400

Last night, Fat Man and Little Boy (aka Siskel and Ebert, ya know, "save us
the aisle seats", at least until they abandoned public television) had a
Very Special Episode in which...

No, this is sounding too much like Blossom.:-)

Anyway, the show this week was about their favourite summer films.  Of
course, they named the usual suspects, Vacation (see?  They come down from
their ivory towers occasionally), American Graffitti, Beach Blanket Bingo,
Mrs Robinson, Flamingo Kid.

But, being disappointed that they didn't even think to mention MY favourite
all-time film, I thought this was a topic that we could get into here
(maybe even naming films for all seasons).

So, I will start.  My favourite summertime film is The Year My Voice Broke.
 Not widely available in the States (but you better video stores should
have it), but one that I could watch again and again.  The sequel, Flirting
(one of Nicole Kidman's first roles), had better critical acclaim.  But I
just liked TYMVB a lot.

Regards,

--Mel


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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] different ratings?
Date: 11 Aug 1998 01:47:12 -0400

Well I am just shocked! At F.H.E. ( family home evening) we discussed
movies and ratings. Apparently the States has a higher rating policy
then Canada. Why is this?? What is the big difference, and why is the
States harder on the movies than Canada? Which country is better off
with the rating system? Any Ideas??

Megan in Edmonton,Ab Canada

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From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] different ratings?
Date: 11 Aug 1998 09:00:25 cet

> Well I am just shocked! At F.H.E. ( family home evening) we discussed
> movies and ratings. Apparently the States has a higher rating policy
> then Canada. Why is this?? What is the big difference, and why is the
> States harder on the movies than Canada? Which country is better off
> with the rating system? Any Ideas??

I wouldn't find this too surprising. Every country has different ideas what and how
much young people can be exposed to. And then it's also about what audience the
distributor wants to target a film at. In the end it's nothing but politics.   I assume
that the more liberal a  country, the less restrictive  is it. For example in the
Netherlands you can see snippets of films that are cut out in England and Germany
- in the 2nd Robocop the Dutch version shows how Robocop pulls out the brain
of the evil bot and smashes it on the ground. You can clearly see the thing. In
Germany you just see how Robo grabs into the head and pulls something out.
Cut. It's politics.

thomas

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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] different ratings?
Date: 11 Aug 1998 06:25:48 -0400

Politics are just crazy. Why don't they let the producers of the movies
rate them. I can understand how the Netherlands can be so free minded. I
grew up there, but what I can't understand is how people lose their
moral values over things like movies. If you all had to make your own
rating system for movies... what would yours be like??

Megan
> ----------
    <>From:     greuel[SMTP:[e-mail]]
    >>Sent:     Tuesday, August 11, 1998 3:00 AM
    >>To:     [e-mail]
    >>Subject:     Re: [MV] different ratings?

    >> Well I am just shocked! At F.H.E. ( family home evening) we
discussed
    >> movies and ratings. Apparently the States has a higher rating
policy
    >> then Canada. Why is this?? What is the big difference, and
why is the
    >> States harder on the movies than Canada? Which country is
better off
    >> with the rating system? Any Ideas??

    >I wouldn't find this too surprising. Every country has
different ideas what >and how
    >much young people can be exposed to. And then it's also about
what >audience the
    >distributor wants to target a film at. In the end it's nothing
but politics.   I >assume
    >>that the more liberal a  country, the less restrictive  is it.
For example in >the
    >Netherlands you can see snippets of films that are cut out in
England >and Germany
    >>- in the 2nd Robocop the Dutch version shows how Robocop pulls
out >the brain
    >of the evil bot and smashes it on the ground. You can clearly
see the >thing. In
    >Germany you just see how Robo grabs into the head and pulls
>something out.
    >Cut. It's politics.

    >>thomas

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>  to give birth to a dancing star"
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From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] different ratings? -Reply
Date: 11 Aug 1998 08:03:00 -0700

The US movie ratings system is strictly voluntary and films are not
required to carry any rating at all.  That being said the ratings are
applied by a group of volunteers (how they are picked I don't know).
Therefore the ratings are simply a matter of personal opinion.  In
some respects ratings in the US have become stricter over the years
and in some ways they have loosened up.  I don't know how the
Canadian system works but if it is similar then I would chalk it up
as a difference of opinion.


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From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] different ratings? -Reply
Date: 11 Aug 1998 08:11:54 -0700

Referring to  my previous post concerning our US ratings system I have
to say that it does not bother me at all.  Before the system was
established each local community would review and pass/fail/censor
every movie that came through.  It wasn't unusual for the local
priest to make such decisions.    Because of this there were many
areas where certain films were not allowed.  This system pretty much
eliminated that censorship.

Ratings don't affect me personally since I have to honor of being old
enough to see everything but friends that are parents depend on them
to determine if films are appropriate for their children.  I think
that is the real purpose.  The only real censorship that occurs is
based on finances since an NC 17 rating can limit which theatres are
willing to carry a movie.

If a filmmaker is basing his art on how much money he can make off of
it then I have to question his integrity as an artist.

BTW, the TV rating system is set up so producers rate their own shows
and it is a joke in the industry since producers give shows the rating
that they think is best for their own purposes.

bb

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From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] different ratings?
Date: 11 Aug 1998 15:34:44 cet



> Politics are just crazy. Why don't they let the producers of the movies
> rate them. I can understand how the Netherlands can be so free minded. I
> grew up there, but what I can't understand is how people lose their
> moral values over things like movies. If you all had to make your own
> rating system for movies... what would yours be like??

Well, a country needs to protect those that need protection (children), so if they
think that particular films or scenes can be harmful, they need to make sure that
kids are not exposed to them. Obviously the boards differ in their estimation what
is and what is not harmful. In the end that is a matter of culture and how highly
you value free speech as opposed to the protection of individuals. It's a tricky
matter, but  the ratings are merely concerned with children and young adults. It gets
unpleasant when countries start to decide that even adults are not allowed to see a
particular film or scene.

thomas

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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] different ratings?
Date: 11 Aug 1998 09:25:46 -0700

Producers shouldn't be allowed to do ANYTHING except sign the check!!  If
they were to do the rating, all movies would be PG or R to make sure all the
young men between 15-30 will come to see it again and again.  It's because
of producers that we were blessed with Fire Down Below and Whit Stillman...

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    greuel [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Tuesday, August 11, 1998 8:35 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    RE: [MV] different ratings?
>
>
>
> > Politics are just crazy. Why don't they let the producers of the movies
> > rate them. I can understand how the Netherlands can be so free minded. I
> > grew up there, but what I can't understand is how people lose their
> > moral values over things like movies. If you all had to make your own
> > rating system for movies... what would yours be like??
>
> Well, a country needs to protect those that need protection (children), so
> if they
> think that particular films or scenes can be harmful, they need to make
> sure that
> kids are not exposed to them. Obviously the boards differ in their
> estimation what
> is and what is not harmful. In the end that is a matter of culture and how
> highly
> you value free speech as opposed to the protection of individuals. It's a
> tricky
> matter, but  the ratings are merely concerned with children and young
> adults. It gets
> unpleasant when countries start to decide that even adults are not allowed
> to see a
> particular film or scene.
>
> thomas
>
> ---
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>  to give birth to a dancing star"
>               Friedrich Nietzsche
>
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From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] different ratings?
Date: 11 Aug 1998 22:12:21 cet



> Producers shouldn't be allowed to do ANYTHING except sign the check!!  If
> they were to do the rating, all movies would be PG or R to make sure all the
> young men between 15-30 will come to see it again and again.  It's because
> of producers that we were blessed with Fire Down Below and Whit Stillman...

Well, in effect the studio is the first to do a rating. They keep an eye so that the
films will be rated suitable for the targeted audience. There is no use putting out a
children's film when there are such gratuitious scenes in there that children won't be
allowed to see it.

Example: The original version of Disney's Jungle Book contained a scene, were
Mogli is sexually abused by this big monkey King of the Jungle. I won't go into
details, but they are discgusting - believe me. Then there is another one were the
four Beatles vultures attack Bagira (a reference to Hitchcock's Birds) and tear out one
of his eyes. There is more but I can't remember. All these scenes would have lifted
the film to an 18-rating.

Ok - none of this is true. But it could be. You never know. Producers have to make
sure that they can get the targeted audience. I suppose their are no extremely violent
scences in the film about the sinking ship - simply because Leo is known to attract a
lot of younger female teens. A lot of potential audience would have been excluded
from the film if they had kept the scene where Leo seduces the sheep in the cargo.

thomas

thomas

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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/11/98
Date: 11 Aug 1998 16:11:10 -0600 (MDT)

It was a fierce battle at the box office over the weekend, but
"Saving Private Ryan" took the hill ahead of "Snake Eyes" and
"Halloween: H20" to claim victory with an estimated three-day gross
of $17.2 million. On Sunday, "Ryan" - in its third weekend - became
the eighth 1998 release to gross more than $100 million. Although it
was third-ranked in the marketplace Friday, the commando team
overcame all resistance Saturday and was expected to press on. The
World War II epic directed by Steven Spielberg was maintaining a
healthy $6,640 average at 2,592 screens to bring its cumulative total
to $103.6 million.

                        -=> * <=-

DIED: Actress Sylvia Field Truex, 97, who appeared in nine
films and more than 40 Broadway plays and played Mrs. Wilson
on the TV series "Dennis the Menace," July 31. Playing
opposite Gale Gordon's grumpy Mr. Wilson, Truex was the
neighborly half of the couple next door -- always ready with
a plate of warm cookies and a kind smile.

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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] different ratings?
Date: 11 Aug 1998 18:33:32 -0400

At 09.25 AM 11/08/98 -0700, Romero, Leticia wrote:
>Producers shouldn't be allowed to do ANYTHING except sign the check!!  If
>they were to do the rating, all movies would be PG or R to make sure all the
>young men between 15-30 will come to see it again and again.

Some points in this thread (some may be rumours or urban legands, but still
they make a point):

A G rating is considered the Kiss of Death, except for movies that are
animated or have talking animals (basically Disney movies)

George Lucas is rumoured to have added a few "objectionable words and
phrases" to Star Wars to get the PG rating.  He thought it would bomb with
the G.

From personal experience and what I have heard of elsewhere, 50% of the
revenue in Hollywood is generated by R movies.  Yet, the first R movie sold
mass-market in the US was Speed.

So the movie ratings in the States are used as a sales pitch, and the more
adult, the better.  What was once used as a guide for parents to decide if
they want their children to see a movie is now used to sell that same movie
to the children, as the ratings are not enforced at the theatres.  And some
parents don't trust the ratings, as what was once a soft R might get by
with a PG, and definately a PG-13

Regards,

--Mel


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From: Jason Cormier <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Snake Eyes review
Date: 10 Aug 1998 22:38:01 -0700

Brian DePalma (Mission:Impossible) directs Nicholas Cage in a tense
keep-your-eyes-on-the-screen thriller.  I loved how this movie unfolded.
Take note of the length of the shot from when we first meet Cage's
character - it doesn't cut until the first shot is heard (which is a long,
long time!!).  This makes you feel as if you're right there with him - as
if this is some sort of David Copperfield show where he tells you that he
won't change camera shots so you can see everything for yourself and know
that there is no trickery involved.  This is a fun movie to watch as you
are shown some scenes a multiple of times - from different people's
perspective.  Sometimes from the inside of a door - where you learn a
little more of the plot - and sometimes on the outside - where Nicholas
Cage is interrogating another character.  It's a movie where you feel like
you know what's going on - until someone changes the story and you have to
figure it all out again.  Anyway - I'm rambling now - just go see it...I
give 'er an 88%.
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From: "Dave Osborn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Complete famous lines (almost)
Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:14:25 -0500

Blacknight, I saved what I believe is your last entry.  I would also
like the "finished" product.  I also sent back a couple of the followups
to yours.

Regards,
Super Dave

Blacknight wrote:

> Here are the results so far, I used the imdb database to confirm the
> quote. So for those items that have no answers, I was unable to
> confirm
> them.
>
> -blacknight-
>
> 1. "What are you gonna do? Charge me with smoking?"
> --> Basic Instinct, Sharon Stone (Catherine Tramell)
>
> 2. "If you look in the mirror and say his name 5 times, he'll appear
> behind you breathing down your neck."
> --> Candyman, Marianna Eliott (Claire)
>
> 3. "It's amazing, Molly. The love inside, you take it with
> you."        -->
> Ghost, Patrick Swayze (Sam Wheat)
>
> 4. "Why is everyone's child more important than yours?"
> --> Mr. Holland's Opus, Glenne Headly (Iris Holland)
>
> 5. "Yes, John, but when the Pirates of The Carribean breaks down, the
> pirates don't eat the tourists."
> --> Jurassic Park, Jeff Goldblum (Ian Malcolm)
>
> 6. "You're no messiah. You're a movie of the week. You're a fucking
> t-shirt at best."
> --> se7en, Brad Pitt (David Mills)
>
> 7. "Stern, if this factory never produces a shell that can actually be
>
> fired, I'd be very happy."
> --> Schindler's List, Liam Neeson (Oskar Schindler)
>
> 8. "To infinity and beyond!"
> --> Toy Story, Tim Allen (Buzz Lightyear)
>
> 9. "You guys look great in gold, have I told you that?"
> --> That Thing You Do, Tom Hanks (Mr. White)
>
> 10. "Have you ever fallen in love with someone you haven't talked to?
> Have you ever been so alone you spent the night confusing a man in a
> coma?"
> --> While You Were Sleeping, Sandra Bullock (Lucy Eleanor Moderatz)
>
> 11. "If you try to run, I've got 6 little friends and they can all run
>
> faster than you can."
> --> From Dusk Till Dawn, George Clooney (Seth Gecko)
>
> 12. "Anything you can do to draw attention to your mouth is
> good."      -->
> Clueless, Alicia Silverstone (Cher Horowitz)
>
> 13. "Rule No. 3. I can't bring people back from the dead. It's not a
> pretty picture and I don't like doing it."
> --> Aladdin, Robin Williams (Genie)
>
> 14. "I married Rambo!"
> --> True Lies, Jamie Lee Curtis (Helen Tasker)
>
> 15. "I've never loved anybody this way. Never looked at a woman and
> thought, if civilization fails, if the world ends, I'll understand
> what
> God meant."
>
> 16. "Reports of my assimilation have been greatly
> exaggerated."         -->
> Star Trek, Patrick Stewart (Capt. Jean-Luc Picard)
>
> 17. "This is my home. I have to defend it."
> --> Home Alone, Macaulay Culkin (Kevin McCallister)
>
> 18. "I have to work around here and unfortunately, Troy, you are a
> master of the art of time suckage."
> --> Reality Bites, Winona Ryder (Lelaina Pierce)
>
> 19. "You know, even though we've watched Pretty Woman 36 times, I
> never
> get tired making fun of it."
> --> Romy & Michele's High School Reunion, Lisa Kudrow (Michele
> Weinberger)
>
> 20. "Raise your hands... and all of your flippers."
> --> Men In Black, Tommy Lee Jones (K)
>
> 21. "A woman should never learn to sew, and if she does know how, she
> shouldn't admit to it."
>
> 22. "It's quiet. Only 3 days left. Plenty of time to read my Bible and
>
> look for a loophole."
> --> Dead Man Walking, Sean Penn (Matthew Poncelet)
>
> 23. "Failure is not an option, gentlemen. We've never lost an American
>
> in space; we're sure as hell not going to lose one on my
> watch."        -->
> Apollo 13, Ed Harris (Gene Kranz)
>
> 24. "Mr. Bigglesworth is upset! And when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,
> people DIE!"
> --> Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery, Mike Myers (Dr. Evil)
>
> 25. "I only speak two languages -- English and bad English."
> --> The Fifth Element, Bruce Willis (Korben Dallas)
>
> 26. "Sometimes being a teenager is worse than being dead."
> --> Pump Up The Volume, Steve Archer (Hard Harry)
>
> 27. "The misery! The exquisite Susan Hayward tragedy of it!"
> --> My Best Friend's Wedding, Rupert Everett (George Downes)
>
> 28. "I choose not to choose life. I choose something else!"     -->
> Trainspotting, Ewan McGregor (Mark "Rents" Renton)
>
> 29. "I had to come. It was a sequel."
> --> Hot Shots! Part Deux, Valeria Golino (Ramada Rodham Hayman)
>
> 30. "The pen is blue! The pen is blue! The goddamn pen is
> blue!"        -->
> Liar Liar, Jim Carrey (Fletcher Reede)
>
> 31. "It's the millenium; Motives are incidental."
> --> Scream, Jamie Kennedy (Randy Meeks)
>
> 32. "There's two kinds of people in the world, Charlie. The first
> group
> is the people that face the music; the second group are those who run
> for cover. Cover is better."
> --> Scent of A Woman, Al Pacino (Colonel Slade)
>
> 33. "Put on your Sunday best, kids. We're going to Sears!"
> --> Brady Bunch Movie, Gary Cole (Mike Brady)
>
> 34. "Amputate a man's leg and he can still feel it tickling. Tell me,
> Ma'am, when your little girl is on the slab, where will it tickle
> you?"
> --> Silence of the Lambs, Anthony Hopkins (Dr. Hannibal 'The Cannibal'
>
> Lecter)
>
> 35. "I'm just a little anxious to get up there and whup ET's
> ass!"      -->
> ID4, Will Smith (Captain Steven Hiller)
>
> 36. "Are you crying? There's no crying in baseball!"
> --> A League of Their Owen, Tom Hanks (Jimmy Dugan)
>
> 37. "He don't make sense. I don't make sense. Together, we make
> sense."
> --> Untamed Heart, Marisa Tomei (Caroline)
>
> 38. "You don't want to quit me, I'm your dream client! I'm the most
> fun,
> I'm rich and I'm always in trouble."
> --> The People vs. Larry Flynt, Woody Harrelson (Larry Flynt)
>
> 39. "Whatever they say, you can never have too much of earth."
> --> Michael, John Travolta (Michael)
>
> 40. "Vanity -- definitely my favorite sin."
> --> The Devil's Advocate, Al Pacino (John Milton)
>
> 41. "And don't forget to fasten your condoms. Seatbelts! I meant
> seatbelts!"
> --> Father of the Bride, Steve Martin (George Banks)
>
> 42. "Give us free! Give us free! Give us free! Give us free! Give us
> free!"
> --> Amistad, Djimon Hounsou (Joseph Cinqui)
>
> 43. "For guys like me, Las Vegas washes away your sins. It's like a
> morality car wash."
> --> Casino, Robert De Niro (Sam "Ace" Rothstein)
>
> 44. "One for the running! Two for the rhyme! Three for the feeling,
> it's
> bobsled time!"
> --> Cool Runnings, Doug E. Doug (Sanka Coffie)
>
> 45. "I'm a drunk and you're a hooker. I want you to know I am a person
>
> who is totally at ease with this."
>
> --> Leaving Las Vegas, Nicolas Cage (Ben)
>
> 46. "You wasted ?15,000 on an education you coulda got for ?1.50 in
> late
> fees at the public library."
> --> Good Will Hunting, Matt Damon (Will Hunting)
>
> 47. "A world without string is chaos."
> --> Mouse Hunt, Lee Evans (Lars Smuntz)
>
> 48. "The voice you hear is not my speaking voice, but my mind's voice.
> I
> have not spoken since I was 6 years old. No one knows why - not even
> me."
> --> The Piano, Holly Hunter (Ada)
>
> 49. "I eat breakfast 300 yards from 4000 Cubans who are trained to
> kill
> me, so don't think for one second you can come down here, flash your
> badge and make me nervous."
> --> A Few Good Men, Jack Nicholson (Col. Nathan Jessup)
>
> 50. "Keaton once said, "I don't believe in God, but I'm afraid of
> him."
> Well I believe in God and the only thing that scares me is Keyser
> Soze."
> --> The Usual Suspects, Kevin Spacey (Roger 'Verbal' Kint)
>
> 51. "Matchstick in the gas tank... boom, boom! Boom, boom!"
>
> 52. "You said you and me was gonna get out of town and for once just
> really let our hair down. Well darlin', look out cause my hair is
> comin'
> down!"
> --> Thelma and Louise, Geena Davis (Thelma Dickinson)
>
> 53. "I've had dog food. Long time ago. Doggie Chow. I used to love
> Doggie Chow."
> --> Showgirls, Gina Gershon (Cristal Connors)
>
> 54. "You're not really anyone in America if you're not on TV."
> --> To Die For, Nicole Kidman (Suzanne Stone Maretto)
>
> 55. "There's more to life than a little money, don't you know that?"
>
> 56. "In my family, there was no clear division between religion and
> fly-fishing."`
> --> A River Runs Through It, Robert Redford (Narrator)
>
> 57. "Well the thing on my mind now isn't the good coffee in my cup,
> it's
> the dead nigger in my garage."
> --> Pulp Fiction, Quentin Tarantino (Jimmie)
>
> 58. "Is everyone gay? Is this a twilight zone?"
> --> In & Out, Joan Cusack (Emily Montgomery)
>
> 59. "Evil is a point of view. God kills indiscriminately and so shall
> we."
> --> Interview With The Vampire, Tom Cruise (Lestat)
>
> 60. "As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a gangster."
>
> --> Goodfellas, Ray Liotta (Henry Hill)
>
> 61. "You stay alive, no matter what occurs. I will find you! No matter
>
> how long it takes, no matter how far, I will find you!"
> --> The Last of the Mohicans, Daniel Day-Lewis (Hawkeye)
>
> 62. "Warning -- assholes are closer than they appear!"
> --> Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, Jim Carrey (Ace Ventura)
>
> 63. "This is yet another example of the late neoclassical baroque
> period. And as I always say, if it's not baroque, don't fix
> it!"        -->
> Beauty and the Beast, Jerry Orbach (Lumiere)
>
> 64. "It can't rain all the time."
> --> The Crow, Brandon Lee (Eric Draven)
>
> 65. "Taco Bell was the only restaurant to survive the Franchise Wars.
> Now all restaurants are Taco Bell."
> --> Demolition Man, Sandra Bullock (Lenina Huxley)
>
> 66. "You're so money and you don't even know it."
> --> Swingers, Vince Vaughn (Trent)
>
> 67. "You want a prediction about the weather? You're asking the wrong
> Phil. I'll give you a winter prediction: it's gonna be cold, it's
> gonna
> be grey and it's gonna last you for the rest of your life!"     -->
> Groundhog Day, Bill Murray (Phil)
>
> 68. "I'm as serious as a heart attack."
>
> 69. "Life is pain. Get used to it."
> --> The Long Kiss Goodnight, Geena Davis (Charly Baltimore)
>
> 70. "...and as they both sank beneath the waves, the frog cries out,
> "Why did you sting me, Mr. Scorpion? For now we both will drown."
> Scorpion replies, "I can't help it. It's in my nature."
> --> The Crying Game, Forest Whitaker (Jody)
>
> 71. "I've said it before and I'll say it again, "No more fucking
> ABBA!"
> --> The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, Terence Stamp
> (Bernadette)
>
> 72. "How can you diagnose me as obsessive-compulsive and then tell me
> I
> have a choice about barging in here?"
> --> As Good As It Gets, Jack Nicholson (Melvin Udall)
>
> 73. "Verbal agility is a highly overrated thing in a guy and it's our
> pathetic need for it that gets us into so much trouble."
>
> 74. "Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!"  -->
> Waterworld, Dennis Hopper (Deacon)
>
> 75. "Now you wouldn't believe me if I told you, but I run like the
> wind
> blows."
> --> Forrest Gump, Tom Hank (Forrest Gump)
>
> 76. "That is a babe! She makes me feel kinda funny, like when we used
> to
> climb rope in gym class."
> --> Wayne's World, Dana Carvey (Garth Algar)
>
> 77. "When a gay man has too much fashion sense for a single gender, he
>
> is a drag queen."
> --> To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar, Wesley Snipes
> (Noxeema Jackson)
>
> 78. "Filmmaking is not about the little details, it's about the big
> picture!"
> --> Ed Wood, Johnny Depp (Ed Wood)
>
> 79. "Lies, deceit, mixed messages...this is turning into a real
> marriage."
> --> Face/Off, Nicholas Cage (Castor Troy)
>
> 80. "I've always been better at volcanoes than figuring out people and
>
> politics."
> --> Dante's Peak, Pierce Brosnan (Harry Dalton)
>
> 81. "I don't believe a man can consider himself fully content unless
> he
> has done all he can to be of service to his employer."
> --> The Remains of the Day, Anthony Hopkins (James Stevens)
>
> 82. "You would pay for your airline; why won't you pay for your son?"
> --> Ransom, Renee Russo (Kate Mullen)
>
> 83. "Christmas? Christmas means dinner, dinner means death, death
> means
> carnage, Christmas means carnage!"
> --> Babe, Danny Mann (voice, Ferdinand the Duck)
>
> 84. "Come back here so that I may brain thee!"
> --> The Cable Guy, Jim Carrey (Chip Douglas)
>
> 85. "There's only two men I trust; one is me, the other is not here."
> --> Con Air, Nicholas Cage (Cameron Poe)
>
> 86. "You have the hots for me, I have the hots for him, and sooner or
> later, he's gonna have the hots for you."
> --> Threesome, Lara Flynn Boyle (Alex)
>
> 87. "Ladies, you have to be strong and independent. And remember,
> don't
> get mad...get everything!"
> --> The First Wives Club, Ivana Trump (as herself)
>
> 88. "Life's a bitch...now so am I."
> --> Batman Returns, Michelle Pfeiffer (Selina Kyle/Catwoman)
>
> 89. "I crap bigger than you!"
> --> City Slickers, Jack Palance (Curly)
>
> 90. "Achilles only had an Achilles heel. I have an entire Achilles
> body."
> --> Mighty Aphrodite, Woody Allen (Lenny Weinrib)
>
> 91. "Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way
> through."
> --> Naked Gun 33 1/3: The Final Insult, Leslie Nielsen (Lt. Frank
> Drebin)
>
> 92. "And if knowledge is power, then a God am I! (pauses) Was that
> over
> the top? I can never tell."
> --> Batman Forever, Jim Carrey (The Riddler)
>
> 93. "What we in the news business can never forget is that we are only
>
> as good as the stories we tell."
> --> Up Close & Personal, Michelle Pfeiffer (Tally Atwater)
>
> 94. "We can't shoot a dog.  People, okay.  But not dogs!"
> --> Lethal Weapon 3, Mel Gibson (Martin Riggs)
>
> 95. "Ooh! Aah! That's how it always starts. Then later there's running
>
> and screaming."
> --> The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Jeff Goldblum (Ian Malcolm)
>
> 96. "Our love is like a red, red rose... and I am a little
> thorny."     -->
> The Mask, Jim Carrey (The Mask)
>
> 97. "I have a unique knowledge of this prison facility. I was formerly
> a
> guest here."
> --> The Rock, Sean Connery (John Patrick Mason)
>
> 98. "Paris is always a good idea."
> --> Sabrina, Julia Ormond (Sabrina)
>
> 99. "That's more than a dress. That's an Audrey Hepburn movie."
>
> 100. "It doesn't look any bigger than the Mauritania."
> --> Titanic, Kate Winslet (Rose Bukater)
>
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From: "Dave Osborn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Complete famous lines (almost)
Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:15:09 -0500

Blacknight, Followup #1 of 2.

SD

Toni S. wrote:

> WHoa ... some of these are odd...
>
> Blacknight wrote:
>
> > Here are the results so far, I used the imdb database to confirm the
>
> > quote. So for those items that have no answers, I was unable to
> confirm
> > them.
> >
> > -blacknight-
> >
> > 1. "What are you gonna do? Charge me with smoking?"
> > --> Basic Instinct, Sharon Stone (Catherine Tramell)
> >
> > 2. "If you look in the mirror and say his name 5 times, he'll appear
>
> > behind you breathing down your neck."
> > --> Candyman, Marianna Eliott (Claire)
> >
> > 3. "It's amazing, Molly. The love inside, you take it with
> you."        -->
> > Ghost, Patrick Swayze (Sam Wheat)
> >
> > 4. "Why is everyone's child more important than yours?"
> > --> Mr. Holland's Opus, Glenne Headly (Iris Holland)
> >
> > 5. "Yes, John, but when the Pirates of The Carribean breaks down,
> the
> > pirates don't eat the tourists."
> > --> Jurassic Park, Jeff Goldblum (Ian Malcolm)
> >
> > 6. "You're no messiah. You're a movie of the week. You're a fucking
> > t-shirt at best."
> > --> se7en, Brad Pitt (David Mills)
> >
> > 7. "Stern, if this factory never produces a shell that can actually
> be
> > fired, I'd be very happy."
> > --> Schindler's List, Liam Neeson (Oskar Schindler)
> >
> > 8. "To infinity and beyond!"
> > --> Toy Story, Tim Allen (Buzz Lightyear)
> >
> > 9. "You guys look great in gold, have I told you that?"
> > --> That Thing You Do, Tom Hanks (Mr. White)
> >
> > 10. "Have you ever fallen in love with someone you haven't talked
> to?
> > Have you ever been so alone you spent the night confusing a man in a
>
> > coma?"
> > --> While You Were Sleeping, Sandra Bullock (Lucy Eleanor Moderatz)
> >
> > 11. "If you try to run, I've got 6 little friends and they can all
> run
> > faster than you can."
> > --> From Dusk Till Dawn, George Clooney (Seth Gecko)
> >
> > 12. "Anything you can do to draw attention to your mouth is
> good."      -->
> > Clueless, Alicia Silverstone (Cher Horowitz)
> >
> > 13. "Rule No. 3. I can't bring people back from the dead. It's not a
>
> > pretty picture and I don't like doing it."
> > --> Aladdin, Robin Williams (Genie)
> >
> > 14. "I married Rambo!"
> > --> True Lies, Jamie Lee Curtis (Helen Tasker)
> >
> > 15. "I've never loved anybody this way. Never looked at a woman and
> > thought, if civilization fails, if the world ends, I'll understand
> what
> > God meant."
>
> Are you sure that this isn't from When A Man Loves A Woman, with Andy
> Garcia???
>
> > 16. "Reports of my assimilation have been greatly
> exaggerated."         -->
> > Star Trek, Patrick Stewart (Capt. Jean-Luc Picard)
> >
> > 17. "This is my home. I have to defend it."
> > --> Home Alone, Macaulay Culkin (Kevin McCallister)
> >
> > 18. "I have to work around here and unfortunately, Troy, you are a
> > master of the art of time suckage."
> > --> Reality Bites, Winona Ryder (Lelaina Pierce)
> >
> > 19. "You know, even though we've watched Pretty Woman 36 times, I
> never
> > get tired making fun of it."
> > --> Romy & Michele's High School Reunion, Lisa Kudrow (Michele
> > Weinberger)
> >
> > 20. "Raise your hands... and all of your flippers."
> > --> Men In Black, Tommy Lee Jones (K)
> >
> > 21. "A woman should never learn to sew, and if she does know how,
> she
> > shouldn't admit to it."
> >
> > 22. "It's quiet. Only 3 days left. Plenty of time to read my Bible
> and
> > look for a loophole."
> > --> Dead Man Walking, Sean Penn (Matthew Poncelet)
> >
> > 23. "Failure is not an option, gentlemen. We've never lost an
> American
> > in space; we're sure as hell not going to lose one on my
> watch."        -->
> > Apollo 13, Ed Harris (Gene Kranz)
> >
> > 24. "Mr. Bigglesworth is upset! And when Mr. Bigglesworth is upset,
> > people DIE!"
> > --> Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery, Mike Myers (Dr.
> Evil)
> >
> > 25. "I only speak two languages -- English and bad English."
> > --> The Fifth Element, Bruce Willis (Korben Dallas)
> >
> > 26. "Sometimes being a teenager is worse than being dead."
> > --> Pump Up The Volume, Steve Archer (Hard Harry)
> >
>
> This should probably read Christian Slater, Mark (Hard Harry) - as HH
> is the DJ
> alter-ego of Christian Slater's character.
>
> > 27. "The misery! The exquisite Susan Hayward tragedy of it!"
> > --> My Best Friend's Wedding, Rupert Everett (George Downes)
> >
> > 28. "I choose not to choose life. I choose something else!"     -->
> > Trainspotting, Ewan McGregor (Mark "Rents" Renton)
> >
> > 29. "I had to come. It was a sequel."
> > --> Hot Shots! Part Deux, Valeria Golino (Ramada Rodham Hayman)
> >
> > 30. "The pen is blue! The pen is blue! The goddamn pen is
> blue!"        -->
> > Liar Liar, Jim Carrey (Fletcher Reede)
> >
> > 31. "It's the millenium; Motives are incidental."
> > --> Scream, Jamie Kennedy (Randy Meeks)
> >
> > 32. "There's two kinds of people in the world, Charlie. The first
> group
> > is the people that face the music; the second group are those who
> run
> > for cover. Cover is better."
> > --> Scent of A Woman, Al Pacino (Colonel Slade)
> >
> > 33. "Put on your Sunday best, kids. We're going to Sears!"
> > --> Brady Bunch Movie, Gary Cole (Mike Brady)
> >
> > 34. "Amputate a man's leg and he can still feel it tickling. Tell
> me,
> > Ma'am, when your little girl is on the slab, where will it tickle
> you?"
> > --> Silence of the Lambs, Anthony Hopkins (Dr. Hannibal 'The
> Cannibal'
> > Lecter)
> >
> > 35. "I'm just a little anxious to get up there and whup ET's
> ass!"      -->
> > ID4, Will Smith (Captain Steven Hiller)
> >
> > 36. "Are you crying? There's no crying in baseball!"
> > --> A League of Their Own, Tom Hanks (Jimmy Dugan)
> >
> > 37. "He don't make sense. I don't make sense. Together, we make
> sense."
> > --> Untamed Heart, Marisa Tomei (Caroline)
> >
> > 38. "You don't want to quit me, I'm your dream client! I'm the most
> fun,
> > I'm rich and I'm always in trouble."
> > --> The People vs. Larry Flynt, Woody Harrelson (Larry Flynt)
> >
> > 39. "Whatever they say, you can never have too much of earth."
> > --> Michael, John Travolta (Michael)
> >
> > 40. "Vanity -- definitely my favorite sin."
> > --> The Devil's Advocate, Al Pacino (John Milton)
> >
> > 41. "And don't forget to fasten your condoms. Seatbelts! I meant
> > seatbelts!"
> > --> Father of the Bride, Steve Martin (George Banks)
> >
> > 42. "Give us free! Give us free! Give us free! Give us free! Give us
>
> > free!"
> > --> Amistad, Djimon Hounsou (Joseph Cinqui)
> >
> > 43. "For guys like me, Las Vegas washes away your sins. It's like a
> > morality car wash."
> > --> Casino, Robert De Niro (Sam "Ace" Rothstein)
> >
> > 44. "One for the running! Two for the rhyme! Three for the feeling,
> it's
> > bobsled time!"
> > --> Cool Runnings, Doug E. Doug (Sanka Coffie)
> >
> > 45. "I'm a drunk and you're a hooker. I want you to know I am a
> person
> > who is totally at ease with this."
> >
> > --> Leaving Las Vegas, Nicolas Cage (Ben)
> >
> > 46. "You wasted ?15,000 on an education you coulda got for ?1.50 in
> late
> > fees at the public library."
> > --> Good Will Hunting, Matt Damon (Will Hunting)
> >
> > 47. "A world without string is chaos."
> > --> Mouse Hunt, Lee Evans (Lars Smuntz)
> >
> > 48. "The voice you hear is not my speaking voice, but my mind's
> voice. I
> > have not spoken since I was 6 years old. No one knows why - not even
>
> > me."
> > --> The Piano, Holly Hunter (Ada)
> >
> > 49. "I eat breakfast 300 yards from 4000 Cubans who are trained to
> kill
> > me, so don't think for one second you can come down here, flash your
>
> > badge and make me nervous."
> > --> A Few Good Men, Jack Nicholson (Col. Nathan Jessup)
> >
> > 50. "Keaton once said, "I don't believe in God, but I'm afraid of
> him."
> > Well I believe in God and the only thing that scares me is Keyser
> Soze."
> > --> The Usual Suspects, Kevin Spacey (Roger 'Verbal' Kint)
> >
> > 51. "Matchstick in the gas tank... boom, boom! Boom, boom!"
> >
> > 52. "You said you and me was gonna get out of town and for once just
>
> > really let our hair down. Well darlin', look out cause my hair is
> comin'
> > down!"
> > --> Thelma and Louise, Geena Davis (Thelma Dickinson)
> >
> > 53. "I've had dog food. Long time ago. Doggie Chow. I used to love
> > Doggie Chow."
> > --> Showgirls, Gina Gershon (Cristal Connors)
> >
> > 54. "You're not really anyone in America if you're not on TV."
> > --> To Die For, Nicole Kidman (Suzanne Stone Maretto)
> >
> > 55. "There's more to life than a little money, don't you know that?"
>
> >
> > 56. "In my family, there was no clear division between religion and
> > fly-fishing."`
> > --> A River Runs Through It, Robert Redford (Narrator)
> >
> > 57. "Well the thing on my mind now isn't the good coffee in my cup,
> it's
> > the dead nigger in my garage."
> > --> Pulp Fiction, Quentin Tarantino (Jimmie)
> >
> > 58. "Is everyone gay? Is this a twilight zone?"
> > --> In & Out, Joan Cusack (Emily Montgomery)
> >
> > 59. "Evil is a point of view. God kills indiscriminately and so
> shall
> > we."
> > --> Interview With The Vampire, Tom Cruise (Lestat)
> >
> > 60. "As far back as I can remember, I always wanted to be a
> gangster."
> > --> Goodfellas, Ray Liotta (Henry Hill)
> >
> > 61. "You stay alive, no matter what occurs. I will find you! No
> matter
> > how long it takes, no matter how far, I will find you!"
> > --> The Last of the Mohicans, Daniel Day-Lewis (Hawkeye)
> >
> > 62. "Warning -- assholes are closer than they appear!"
> > --> Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, Jim Carrey (Ace Ventura)
> >
> > 63. "This is yet another example of the late neoclassical baroque
> > period. And as I always say, if it's not baroque, don't fix
> it!"        -->
> > Beauty and the Beast, Jerry Orbach (Lumiere)
> >
> > 64. "It can't rain all the time."
> > --> The Crow, Brandon Lee (Eric Draven)
> >
> > 65. "Taco Bell was the only restaurant to survive the Franchise
> Wars.
> > Now all restaurants are Taco Bell."
> > --> Demolition Man, Sandra Bullock (Lenina Huxley)
> >
> > 66. "You're so money and you don't even know it."
> > --> Swingers, Vince Vaughn (Trent)
> >
> > 67. "You want a prediction about the weather? You're asking the
> wrong
> > Phil. I'll give you a winter prediction: it's gonna be cold, it's
> gonna
> > be grey and it's gonna last you for the rest of your life!"     -->
> > Groundhog Day, Bill Murray (Phil)
> >
> > 68. "I'm as serious as a heart attack."
> >
> > 69. "Life is pain. Get used to it."
> > --> The Long Kiss Goodnight, Geena Davis (Charly Baltimore)
> >
> > 70. "...and as they both sank beneath the waves, the frog cries out,
>
> > "Why did you sting me, Mr. Scorpion? For now we both will drown."
> > Scorpion replies, "I can't help it. It's in my nature."
> > --> The Crying Game, Forest Whitaker (Jody)
> >
> > 71. "I've said it before and I'll say it again, "No more fucking
> ABBA!"
> > --> The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert, Terence Stamp
> > (Bernadette)
> >
> > 72. "How can you diagnose me as obsessive-compulsive and then tell
> me I
> > have a choice about barging in here?"
> > --> As Good As It Gets, Jack Nicholson (Melvin Udall)
> >
> > 73. "Verbal agility is a highly overrated thing in a guy and it's
> our
> > pathetic need for it that gets us into so much trouble."
> >
> > 74. "Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!"  -->
> > Waterworld, Dennis Hopper (Deacon)
> >
> > 75. "Now you wouldn't believe me if I told you, but I run like the
> wind
> > blows."
> > --> Forrest Gump, Tom Hank (Forrest Gump)
> >
> > 76. "That is a babe! She makes me feel kinda funny, like when we
> used to
> > climb rope in gym class."
> > --> Wayne's World, Dana Carvey (Garth Algar)
> >
> > 77. "When a gay man has too much fashion sense for a single gender,
> he
> > is a drag queen."
> > --> To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar, Wesley Snipes
> > (Noxeema Jackson)
> >
> > 78. "Filmmaking is not about the little details, it's about the big
> > picture!"
> > --> Ed Wood, Johnny Depp (Ed Wood)
> >
> > 79. "Lies, deceit, mixed messages...this is turning into a real
> > marriage."
> > --> Face/Off, Nicholas Cage (Castor Troy)
> >
> > 80. "I've always been better at volcanoes than figuring out people
> and
> > politics."
> > --> Dante's Peak, Pierce Brosnan (Harry Dalton)
> >
> > 81. "I don't believe a man can consider himself fully content unless
> he
> > has done all he can to be of service to his employer."
> > --> The Remains of the Day, Anthony Hopkins (James Stevens)
> >
> > 82. "You would pay for your airline; why won't you pay for your
> son?"
> > --> Ransom, Renee Russo (Kate Mullen)
> >
> > 83. "Christmas? Christmas means dinner, dinner means death, death
> means
> > carnage, Christmas means carnage!"
> > --> Babe, Danny Mann (voice, Ferdinand the Duck)
> >
> > 84. "Come back here so that I may brain thee!"
> > --> The Cable Guy, Jim Carrey (Chip Douglas)
> >
> > 85. "There's only two men I trust; one is me, the other is not
> here."
> > --> Con Air, Nicholas Cage (Cameron Poe)
> >
> > 86. "You have the hots for me, I have the hots for him, and sooner
> or
> > later, he's gonna have the hots for you."
> > --> Threesome, Lara Flynn Boyle (Alex)
> >
> > 87. "Ladies, you have to be strong and independent. And remember,
> don't
> > get mad...get everything!"
> > --> The First Wives Club, Ivana Trump (as herself)
> >
> > 88. "Life's a bitch...now so am I."
> > --> Batman Returns, Michelle Pfeiffer (Selina Kyle/Catwoman)
> >
> > 89. "I crap bigger than you!"
> > --> City Slickers, Jack Palance (Curly)
> >
> > 90. "Achilles only had an Achilles heel. I have an entire Achilles
> > body."
> > --> Mighty Aphrodite, Woody Allen (Lenny Weinrib)
> >
> > 91. "Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way
>
> > through."
> > --> Naked Gun 33 1/3: The Final Insult, Leslie Nielsen (Lt. Frank
> > Drebin)
> >
> > 92. "And if knowledge is power, then a God am I! (pauses) Was that
> over
> > the top? I can never tell."
> > --> Batman Forever, Jim Carrey (The Riddler)
> >
> > 93. "What we in the news business can never forget is that we are
> only
> > as good as the stories we tell."
> > --> Up Close & Personal, Michelle Pfeiffer (Tally Atwater)
> >
> > 94. "We can't shoot a dog.  People, okay.  But not dogs!"
> > --> Lethal Weapon 3, Mel Gibson (Martin Riggs)
> >
> > 95. "Ooh! Aah! That's how it always starts. Then later there's
> running
> > and screaming."
> > --> The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Jeff Goldblum (Ian Malcolm)
> >
> > 96. "Our love is like a red, red rose... and I am a little
> thorny."     -->
> > The Mask, Jim Carrey (The Mask)
> >
> > 97. "I have a unique knowledge of this prison facility. I was
> formerly a
> > guest here."
> > --> The Rock, Sean Connery (John Patrick Mason)
> >
> > 98. "Paris is always a good idea."
> > --> Sabrina, Julia Ormond (Sabrina)
> >
> > 99. "That's more than a dress. That's an Audrey Hepburn movie."
> >
> > 100. "It doesn't look any bigger than the Mauritania."
> > --> Titanic, Kate Winslet (Rose Bukater)
> >
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From: "Dave Osborn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Complete famous lines (almost)
Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:15:47 -0500

Blacknight, followup #2 of 2.

SD

Kelly L. Garrett wrote:

> One mistake- the quote from Pump Up the Volume- sometimes being a
> teenager
> is worse than being dead- is said by Christian Slater.
>
> kg
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From: "Dave Osborn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Famous Lines
Date: 12 Aug 1998 07:16:25 -0500

Blacknight, I found one more entry from you.

SD

Blacknight wrote:

> Gregory A. Swarthout wrote:
> >
> > > 63. "This is yet another example of the late neoclassical baroque
> > > period. And as I always say, if it's not baroque, don't fix it!"
> > -->
> > > Beauty and the Beast, Jerry Orbach (Lumiere)
> >
> > It was Cogsworth (David Ogden Stiers) who said this.
> >
>
> I stand corrected with this. I looked it up again.
>
> Thanks,
> Blacknight
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Complete famous lines (almost)
Date: 12 Aug 1998 09:03:06 -0700

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Dave Osborn [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Wednesday, August 12, 1998 5:15 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Complete famous lines (almost)
>
    [Romero, Leticia]
> Here's 3 that Toni missed..
>
> > > 51. "Matchstick in the gas tank... boom, boom! Boom, boom!"
> >--->    What's Eating Gilbert Grape? Johnny Depp and Leonardo DiCaprio
> >
> > >
> > > 55. "There's more to life than a little money, don't you know that?"
> >--->Fargo, Francis McDormand
> > >
> >
> > > 73. "Verbal agility is a highly overrated thing in a guy and it's
> > our pathetic need for it that gets us into so much trouble."
> >--->Sleepless in Seattle, Rosie O'Donnell
>

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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie Quiz
Date: 12 Aug 1998 10:55:23 -0600

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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Complete famous lines (almost)
Date: 12 Aug 1998 12:29:40 -0600

> 99. "That's more than a dress. That's an Audrey Hepburn movie."

Again, this was Tom Cruise as Jerry Maguire.

Greg

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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] How Stella Got Her Groove Back, * * (out of 4)
Date: 12 Aug 1998 12:49:46 -0600

Review by Gregory A. Swarthout

Stars:  Angela Bassett, Whoopi Goldberg, Taye Diggs, Regina King,
Suzzanne Douglas, Michael J. Pagan.  Written by Terry McMillan & Ronald
Bass.  Directed by Kevin Rodney Sullivan.  Rated R for language and some
sexuality.

     When her son leaves to spend two weeks with her ex-husband, Stella
(Angela Bassett), a workaholic stockbroker, takes a Jamaican vacation with
her best friend Delilah (Whoopi Goldberg).  There she meets Winston (Taye
Diggs), a sexy 20 year-old man who doesn't mind the fact that she is twice
his age.  Although hesitant at first, Stella soon is enjoying her burgeoning
relationship with the Jamaican native.  Even after returning to San Francisco,
she can't seem to get Winston out of her head or heart.  This results in a
second Jamaican vacation, this time with her son and niece.  After this romp,
it takes the death of Stella's friend to bring Winston to the states.  Can they
find happiness together or is the age difference just too big a hurdle to
overcome?

     This romantic drama is so cliched and predictable that the only thing
that sets it apart from others of its kind is the playful banter between Stella
and her various friends.  The casting of Whoopi Goldberg was a mistake,
though, as her style of humor jars the viewer into treating the film as light
comedy whenever she's on screen.  Angela Bassett is a tremendously
talented performer and a constant delight on screen; however, the script here
brings her little challenge with its all-too-familiar plot points.  If you've ever
seen an older-woman-younger-man romance on film, there's no need to see
"How Stella Got Her Groove Back"; you've seen it before and, probably,
better.

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Subject: [MV] Sender: [e-mail]
Date: 12 Aug 1998 15:17:15 -0500

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>>> Gregory A. Swarthout
<[e-mail]> 08/12/98 01:49pm >>>
Review by Gregory A. Swarthout

Stars:  Angela Bassett, Whoopi Goldberg, Taye Diggs,
Regina King,  Suzzanne Douglas, Michael J. Pagan.
Written by Terry McMillan & Ronald  Bass.  Directed by
Kevin Rodney Sullivan.  Rated R for language and some
sexuality.

     When her son leaves to spend two weeks with her
ex-husband, Stella  (Angela Bassett), a workaholic
stockbroker, takes a Jamaican vacation with  her best
friend Delilah (Whoopi Goldberg).  There she meets
Winston (Taye  Diggs), a sexy 20 year-old man who
doesn't mind the fact that she is twice  his age.  Although
hesitant at first, Stella soon is enjoying her burgeoning
relationship with the Jamaican native.  Even after returning
to San Francisco,  she can't seem to get Winston out of
her head or heart.  This results in a  second Jamaican
vacation, this time with her son and niece.  After this romp,
 it takes the death of Stella's friend to bring Winston to the
states.  Can they  find happiness together or is the age
difference just too big a hurdle to  overcome?

     This romantic drama is so cliched and predictable that
the only thing  that sets it apart from others of its kind is the
playful banter between Stella  and her various friends.  The
casting of Whoopi Goldberg was a mistake,  though, as
her style of humor jars the viewer into treating the film as
light  comedy whenever she's on screen.  Angela Bassett is
a tremendously  talented performer and a constant delight
on screen; however, the script here  brings her little
challenge with its all-too-familiar plot points.  If you've
ever  seen an older-woman-younger-man romance on film,
there's no need to see  "How Stella Got Her Groove
Back"; you've seen it before and, probably,  better.

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From: Jason Cormier <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Negotiator review
Date: 12 Aug 1998 17:20:13 -0700

Tense, smart and amazing acting!  I know that the preview kinda sucks - it
looks like they give away a lot of what's going to happen - but don't worry
- they don't give anything away.  This is one is full of smart characters
and real situations.  Great flick - reminds me slightly of the Fugitive. I
give it a wopping 89%.
Jay the Movieman
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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/12/98
Date: 12 Aug 1998 16:11:29 -0600 (MDT)

"Pi" equals No. 1. The movie about a tormented mathematician finally
solved the mystery of box office success to top the roster of
limited-release films in its fifth weekend. Darren Aronofsky's
black-and-white psychological thriller grossed $47,707 on three
screens in New York and Los Angeles on Friday through Sunday. The
second-most popular film on the exclusives list was the "The
Governess," the costume drama starring Minnie Driver, which took in
$39,814 from three theaters on both coasts.

                        -=> * <=-

It looks like "The Avengers" may sprout feathers and go
"gobble, gobble," given that its studio, Warner Bros., is
declining to show the movie to critics before its release
Friday. (Generally a sign of trouble. Warners is part of
Time-Warner, which also owns PEOPLE.) The widescreen version
of the stylish '60s TV show stars Ralph Fiennes as the
dapper John Steed, Uma Thurman as the leather-jumpsuited
Emma Peel and Sean Connery as the villain. On TV Patrick
Macnee and Diana Rigg played the ultra-cool protagonists. A
Warners senior v.p. told the New York Post that the studio
"decided that we want the press and the audiences to
discover the movie together."

                        -=> * <=-

CBS may have had concerns about airing the AIDS-themed movie
"Philadelphia," but audiences weren't reluctant to watch:
The movie ranked fifth in last week's Nielsen ratings. In
"Philadelphia," Tom Hanks ("Saving Private Ryan") plays a
lawyer who encounters job discrimination because of his
illness. CBS, reportedly nervous about the distressing
subject matter, had kept the 1993 film on the shelf for
several years. Network spokesman Chris Ender denied Tuesday
there was any reluctance to air the movie, saying the
network simply had waited to find the right spot for it.

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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Who said it?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 01:21:51 -0400

I heard this line somewhere, maybe my sister said it. But it is from a
movie and for the life of me I can't recall which one.


 The line is " I want the truth" Reply " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"

 is this from a few good men???

Megan

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From: Michael Allen Jr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Who said it?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 02:00:24 -0400

Well I don't know what movie its from (so this is real helpfull) ... but
Homer Simpson said it... hehe

Mike Allen (aka Dahrin)

Meyers, Megan wrote:

> I heard this line somewhere, maybe my sister said it. But it is from a
> movie and for the life of me I can't recall which one.
>
>  The line is " I want the truth" Reply " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"
>
>  is this from a few good men???
>
> Megan
>
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Subject: RE>[MV] Who said it?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 18:07:28 +0000

         RE>[MV] Who said it?                                  date
yeah it is from a few good men

I heard this line somewhere, maybe my sister said it. But it is from a
movie and for the life of me I can't recall which one.


 The line is " I want the truth" Reply " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"

 is this from a few good men??? =

Megan

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Date: 13 Aug 1998 02:35:12 -0400

As I am leaving for the MTC on Friday I need a recommendation. Which
movie should I see Thursday night?? This will be my last movie for 18
months, excluding Disney movies at Christmas and the normal CoJCoLDS
videos...... Just don't recommend " On the way home" I have seen it more
than once.

 I NEED A REAL APOSTATE MOVIE!!!! IF I CAN GET TWO IN I WILL!!! HELP!!

 Megan.....

 Ps  I wonder if I will have email on my mish.... if so would I get in
trouble for viewing this section..... I won't be surfing the net....
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Subject: RE: [MV] Who said it?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 08:49:50 +0200

Yes. Cruise interrogates Nicholson and in one moment Nicholson says that
line.

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As I am leaving for the MTC on Friday I need a recommendation. Which
movie should I see Thursday night?? This will be my last movie for 18
months, excluding Disney movies at Christmas and the normal CoJCoLDS
videos...... Just don't recommend " On the way home" I have seen it more
than once.

 I NEED A REAL APOSTATE MOVIE!!!! IF I CAN GET TWO IN I WILL!!! HELP!!

 Megan.....

 Ps  I wonder if I will have email on my mish.... if so would I get in
trouble for viewing this section..... I won't be surfing the net....
does anyone know???

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From: Michael Allen Jr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] The last show.....
Date: 14 Aug 1998 03:45:38 -0400

what ever you do, dont see halloween h20 .. its sucks... leathal weapon 4
was real good i thought, thats just my opinion though... have fun!

Meyers, Megan wrote:

> As I am leaving for the MTC on Friday I need a recommendation. Which
> movie should I see Thursday night?? This will be my last movie for 18
> months, excluding Disney movies at Christmas and the normal CoJCoLDS
> videos...... Just don't recommend " On the way home" I have seen it more
> than once.
>
>  I NEED A REAL APOSTATE MOVIE!!!! IF I CAN GET TWO IN I WILL!!! HELP!!
>
>  Megan.....
>
>  Ps  I wonder if I will have email on my mish.... if so would I get in
> trouble for viewing this section..... I won't be surfing the net....
> does anyone know???
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1)Is the soundtrack from Armageddon by Trevor Rabin going to be
released????

2) When will de soundtracks from The Thin red line, The prince of Egypt
and Enemy of the state (all

from Hans Zimmer) be released ??(if you don't know this...when will the
movies be released in the

US??)

3)And a last question..I've been looking for quite some time know for the soundtrack

from the movie "Hearts and Armour" with Tanya Roberts and Ron Moss...The movie

is from 1983 if I'm not mistaken and is an American-Italian production....

it's possible this soundtrack never existed but if there is a way to get this

soundtrack please let me know how!!
Manuel Morrens                  [e-mail]
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<PRE>is from 1983 if I'm not mistaken and is an American-Italian production....</PRE>

<PRE>it's possible this soundtrack never existed but if there is a way to get this</PRE>

<PRE>soundtrack please let me know how!!
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Armageddon is already out. I am not sure about the score
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1)Is the soundtrack from Armageddon by Trevor Rabin going to be
released????

2) When will de soundtracks from The Thin red line, The prince of Egypt
and Enemy of the state (all

from Hans Zimmer) be released ??(if you don't know this...when will the
movies be released in the

US??)

3)And a last question..I've been looking for quite some time know for the
soundtrack

from the movie "Hearts and Armour" with Tanya Roberts and Ron Moss...The
movie

is from 1983 if I'm not mistaken and is an American-Italian production....

it's possible this soundtrack never existed but if there is a way to get this

soundtrack please let me know how!!
Manuel Morrens                  [e-mail]
Department of Medicine          http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties
Brussels Free University        (lyrics of the eighties)



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<PRE>it's possible this soundtrack never existed but if there is a way to get this</PRE>

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Department of Medicine          <A HREF="http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties">http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties</A>
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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] soundtracks ??
Date: 13 Aug 1998 06:58:43 -0400

I think I might have seen the soundtrack to hearts and Armour I could be
wrong, but I'll check out my brothers collection. In order to obtain a
copy of this soundtrack, go to your local HMV ( music store) and ask if
you can order it.

Later
Megan

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> from Hans Zimmer) be released ??(if you don't know this...when will
> the
> movies be released in the
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> the soundtrack
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> from the movie "Hearts and Armour" with Tanya Roberts and Ron
> Moss...The movie
>
> is from 1983 if I'm not mistaken and is an American-Italian
> production....
>
> it's possible this soundtrack never existed but if there is a way to
> get this
>
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From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] soundtracks ??
Date: 13 Aug 1998 18:52:21 +0100

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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/13/98
Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:24:49 -0600 (MDT)

The Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences has invited filmmakers
from 73 countries to submit entries for next year's foreign-language
Oscar. Entry forms must be received at the Academy's Beverly Hills
headquarters by Nov. 2, and film prints must be received by Nov. 16.
Academy Award nominations will be announced Feb. 9. To be eligible
for consideration, a film must have had its first public showing for
at least seven consecutive days in a commercial theater in its home
country between Nov. 1, 1997, and Oct. 31 this year, and must have
been produced with a predominantly non-English dialogue track in a
language of the submitting country.

                        -=> * <=-

Michael Douglas and Meryl Streep are set to star in "Still Life," a
family drama that will be directed by Mimi Leder ("Deep Impact"). The
Universal project is about an estranged couple who, after the death
of their daughter, are forced to confront their past and their
relationship with one another - while trying to raise their
grandchildren. The studio wants "Still Life" on a fast track, but
because of schedules for Douglas, Streep and Leder, the picture
probably will not get into production until the fall of 1999.

                        -=> * <=-

He won't talk about Monica Lewinsky, but President Clinton
doesn't mind discussing movies. The Washington Post says
Clinton wandered back into the media cabin of Air Force One
this week and noticed that the reporters were watching the
asteroid flick "Deep Impact." Clinton told them he liked
another summer space-threat movie, "Armageddon," better and
that his favorite summer movie was "The Mask of Zorro."

                        -=> * <=-

Speaking of "Zorro," that movie's Anthony Hopkins has
pledged about $1.6 million to help preserve 4,000 acres of
Mount Snowdon, Wales' highest peak. "Snowdonia is one of the
most beautiful places in the world, and Snowdon is the jewel
that lies at its heart," the Welsh-born actor said
Wednesday. "It must be cherished and protected." A farmer
last month put his estate near the 3,560-foot peak up for
sale. The National Trust, a charity that protects much of
Britain's natural and historic heritage, has three more
months to find the rest of the $4.9 million price tag before
the land is put on the market.

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] soundtracks ??
Date: 13 Aug 1998 14:44:00 EDT

2) Release Dates in the US:
The Thin Red Line - December 98
The Prince of Egypt - December 11, 1998
Enemy of the State - November 25, 1998

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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Sci-Fi Movie News - 08/13/98
Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:54:45 -0600 (MDT)

"Star Wars Episode I," the first of George Lucas' three prequels to
the original film trilogy, has officially received its release
date. Look for the Force on May 21, 1999.

                        -=> * <=-

Paramount Studios paid $1.25 million for the rights to
Trekkies, a documentary about Star Trek fans written
and directed by Roger Nygard, according to Variety.
The film is hosted by former Star Trek: The Next
Generation actress Denise Crosby and includes interviews
with Trek luminaries such as Leonard Nimoy and Brent
Spiner.

But the heart of Trekkies is its focus on the offbeat fans
of Star Trek, such as the man who changed his name to
James T. Kirk and the woman who showed up for jury duty
wearing a Starfleet uniform.  Nygard told Variety that Star
Trek fans will love the film because "it's not
condescending, it's a celebration."

Nygard is currently at work on Six Days in Roswell, a
documentary about UFO fans who gathered for the
Woodstock-like 50th anniversary of the alleged UFO crash
of an alien ship in Roswell, N.M.

                        -=> * <=-

Fantastic Planet, Rene Laloux's 1973 animated science
fiction feature film, is being rereleased in theaters this
October by CQN Releasing.  The film tells the story of
a group of oppressed humanoids who rebel against a race
of gigantic androids on a distant planet.

Fantastic Planet became something of a landmark film
when it earned the Special Jury Prize at the Cannes Film
Festival, marking the first time an animated feature had
earned a Cannes award.

                        -=> * <=-

SF movies claimed seven of the eight nominations for
the 1998 Hollywood Digital Award, which is given
annually to the best film that features "truly
outstanding work in the area of digital visual effects."  This
year's nominees include Contact, Starship Troopers, Men
in Black, Batman and Robin, The Fifth Element, Jurassic
Park: The Lost World, Alien Resurrection and Titanic.

The Digital Award winner will be selected by a committee
of 70 visual effects professionals and announced on Aug.
10 during a gala ceremony.  The award was created by the
Hollywood Film Festival and is sponsored by Caliban
Filmworks.

                        -=> * <=-

Production has begun on Castle Rock Entertainment's
film The Green Mile, which is based on the best-selling
serialized 1996 novel of the same name by famed
horror writer Stephen King.  The Green Mile is set on death
row in a Southern prison in 1935, when cell-block guard
Paul Edgecomb is assigned to oversee four convicted
killers awaiting the electric chair, including a
seven-foot-tall inmate named John Coffey who has a
mysterious magical gift.

Frank Darabont--who wrote and directed The Shawshank
Redemption, another prison film based on a King
novel--will direct.  Two-time Academy Award winner Tom
Hanks is set to star as Edgecomb, while Michael Clarke
Duncan (Armageddon, Saving Private Ryan) will play the
role of Coffey.

The Green Mile is tentatively scheduled for release in
1999.

                        -=> * <=-

Warner Bros., in conjuction with George Clooney's
company Maysville Productions, picked up a film pitch
based on the Caliber Comics title Dead World,
according to The Hollywood Reporter.  The film is about a
group of teenagers traveling by bus in a near-future world
infested with zombies.

Antz scribe Todd Alcott will script the film, Mark Pavia
(Stephen King's Night Fliers) is attached to direct, and
Clooney and his partner Robert Lawrence will serve as
producers.

                        -=> * <=-

Hank Azaria is in talks to play the part of "Blue Raja" in
Universal Pictures' offbeat superhero movie Mystery
Men, according to Variety.  Azaria, who was most
recently seen in Godzilla, would join Fargo co-star William
H. Macy and Oscar-winning Shine star Geoffrey Rush in
the picture.

Paul Reubens and Claire Forlani are also reportedly in talks
to appear in the film, which is being directed by Kinka
Usher.  Earlier this week it was announced that Azaria
would receive an Emmy award for his voiceover role as
the convenience store operator in The Simpsons.

                        -=> * <=-

Mimic director Guillermo del Toro has agreed to helm
the big screen adaptation of the Dark Horse comic
book Hellboy, according to The Hollywood Reporter.
The film is about a supernatural detective who's brought
back from hell by Nazis during World War II, only to turn
on them in order to prevent the destruction of the world.

Del Toro is also working on a theatrical version of The
Count of Monte Cristo for American Zoetrope and
Intermedia Films, which he may tackle before starting
production on Hellboy.

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Mafia
Date: 13 Aug 1998 14:58:45 EDT

Did anyone else see mafia?? wasn't it the worst???

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From: Ken MacLean <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] What was his last word?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 16:32:08 -0700

Saving Private  Ryan - what was the word that Capt Miller said to Pte
Ryan just before he died? I missed it due to noise in the theater.

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From: Jer <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] 54
Date: 13 Aug 1998 15:59:28 -0600

Anyone heard the buzz on 54? Is it going to be good or not?



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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] What was his last word?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 14:15:25 -0700

I can't believe you just ruined the end of the movie for me!!!!!

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> Saving Private  Ryan - what was the word that Capt Miller said to Pte
> Ryan just before he died? I missed it due to noise in the theater.
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From: Jason Cormier <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Halloween H20 review
Date: 12 Aug 1998 17:27:42 -0700

To establish what I'm about to say I must tell you that when I was a kid
the horror section was always my favourite section.  I saw all the
Halloweens, Friday the 13ths, Nightmare on Elm Sts and the rest so I always
have a nostalgic anxiety to see any new sequels to those movies.  To the
point - I did enjoy H20 although it brought nothing new to the genre.
Actually it copied from other movies in the genre - like the whole teen
heart throb Scream-like cast.  The scream queen (Jamie Lee Curtis) is back
for the first time since part 2 and this version (part 7 for those of you
counting) pretends that parts 3-6 never existed!  Basically it is the same
slasher stuff - more fake scares than real ones with one or two really good
sequences and not enough gore for this old time horror fan!  I give it 70%
for Halloween fans only.
Jay the Movieman
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From: Jason Cormier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] What was his last word?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 19:32:14 -0700

He said "earn it"

At 04:32 PM 8/13/1998 -0700, you wrote:
>Saving Private  Ryan - what was the word that Capt Miller said to Pte
>Ryan just before he died? I missed it due to noise in the theater.
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From: Allison Rushton <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] What was his last word?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 20:34:49 -0500

how do i  unsubscribe?


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From: Jayson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Who said it?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 10:01:52 +0800 (HKT)

On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, Meyers, Megan wrote:

> I heard this line somewhere, maybe my sister said it. But it is from a
> movie and for the life of me I can't recall which one.
>
>
>  The line is " I want the truth" Reply " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"
>
>  is this from a few good men???
>
> Megan
>


Yes.

Jayson
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I've been down this road walkin' the line
That's painted by pride
And I have made mistakes in my life
That I just can't hide
Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
I've been searching my soul tonight
I know there's so much more to life
Now I know I can shine a light
To find my way back home


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From: Michael Dequina <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] The Movie Report#154, 8/13/98
Date: 13 Aug 1998 18:54:03 -0700

T   H   E
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V I D E O
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-_Mr._Nice_Guy_
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_Dance_with_Me_ (PG) **
    _Dance_with_Me_'s original title was _Shut_Up_and_Dance_, and that
confrontational moniker would have been a more apt name for this dance
musical.  But it's not because the film in question is in-your-face
exuberant; rather, "Shut up and dance!" is likely what audience will be
saying to the characters of this draggy romantic drama that is too heavy on
talk and too light on fancy footwork.
    Granted, the dancing that _is_ featured is quite impressive.  The central
location of _Dance_with_Me_ is a Houston dance studio, and one of its
featured instructors is Ruby (Vanessa L. Williams), a former professional
Latin dance champion determined to recapture her former glory.  Also
working at the studio, but as a handyman, is fresh-from-Cuba Rafael Infante
(Chayanne), an untrained but equally skilled dancer himself.  The slightly
cool Ruby and the fiery Rafael (and, for that matter, Williams and
Chayanne) strike immediate sparks, but these two opposites truly ignite
when they dance together, generating a palpable sexual tension and
electricity with their sizzling salsa steps, nimbly choreographed by Daryl
Matthews and Liz Curtis.
    Matthews also wrote the screenplay, and, frankly, he is overextended.
While the pas de deux between Ruby and Rafael is an engaging enough core,
the pro forma plot elements surrounding it are tedious filler.  Rafael
comes to America to meet the father he never knew, John Burnett (Kris
Kristofferson), who owns the dance studio, which, in turn, is struggling to
stay afloat.  Ruby, who has never stayed in one place long enough to have a
"home," is not eager to put down roots, geographically or emotionally.
Meanwhile, a big dance competition in Vegas looms in the immediate future.
Ironically, Matthews, a former professional dancer himself, piles on these
familiar, trite subplots so heavily that they far outweigh the dancing in
terms of screen time.
    Fortunately for Matthews and director Randa Haines, in Williams they have
a star who capably handles both the dance and dramatic chores.  Though her
character's baggage is strictly by the book, Williams is able to breathe
some depth into Ruby, especially in one climactic dance where her eyes
speak volumes of feeling.  As it is widely known, Williams also has vocal
chops to match, and her wide-ranging talents would make her an ideal star
for a lavish Hollywood screen musical (that is, should a studio ever be
game enough to mount one).  The jury, however, is still out on her co-star,
Chayanne, who is a major music star in Latin America.  He certainly can
move well on the dance floor, but he is rather stiff everywhere else,
likely due to unease with the English language.  Haines tries to hide
Chayanne's unease by making him flash his megawatt smile every other
second, but no amount of smiling can bail you out of a film as surprisingly
talk-heavy as this.
    In the press notes, producer Lauren C. Weissman says, "What initially
attracted me to this script was the human drama."  Ironically, the
attraction for Weissman is exactly what will keep most audiences _away_
from _Dance_with_Me_, a film that falls short as a dance extravaganza, and,
for that matter, as a "human drama."  (opens August 21)

Hollywood Hotline Featured Review
_Return_to_Paradise_ (R) ***
    Give up three years of your life or let a friend hang.  That is the moral
dilemma facing two young men in _Return_to_Paradise_, a largely intriguing
drama whose by-the-numbers paces are elevated to a higher level by the
strong acting ensemble.
    Sheriff (Vince Vaughn), Lewis (Joaquin Phoenix), and Tony (David Conrad)
meet and bond during a month-long vacation in Malaysia, where they engage
in all the pleasures "paradise" offers them: women, booze, and especially
cheap hashish.  When the month expires, Sheriff and Tony return home,
leaving Lewis, who stays--in a not completely convincing plot point--to
study endangered orangutans.  Two years later, Sheriff and Tony, both in
New York, learn from attorney Beth Eastern (Anne Heche) that Lewis has
spent the ensuing years in a Malaysian prison, awaiting hanging for drug
possession.  According to Beth, if both Sheriff and Tony return to Malaysia
and share responsibility for the hash, Lewis's life would be spared.  In
turn, however, they would also have to serve, along with Lewis, three years
of hard time.
    It's an intriguing moral dilemma, but with the unfortunate title
_Return_to_Paradise_ (the film's original, comparatively less snappy title
was _Force_Majeure_, the name of the 1990 French film on which it is
loosely based), the decision that Sheriff and Tony arrive at appears to be
a foregone conclusion, and director Joseph Ruben's slack pacing of Wesley
Strick and Bruce Robinson's competent script does not add much in terms of
suspense.  Thus the effectiveness of the piece is reliant on the actors,
and it is their effort that elevates _Return_to_Paradise_ into something
special.  The slick, selfish Sheriff follows a predictable character arc,
but his evolution is made natural and involving by the charismatic Vaughn.
He shares a nice rapport with Heche, who, after displaying her flair for
light comedy earlier this summer in _Six_Days,_Seven_Nights_, shows she has
strong dramatic abilities to match.  As touching as she is, the emotional
linchpin of the film is Phoenix, who creates a highly sympathetic and
tragic figure with a minimum of screen time.  Of the cast, Jada Pinkett
Smith comes off the least impressively, but that's mostly due to her
shallowly written and developed character, M.J. Major, an ambitious
reporter bent on creating an sensational international incident with
Lewis's case.
    _Return_to_Paradise_ is not a great film, but its weighty concerns and the
care and craft with which they are addressed make it a diverting dramatic
oasis in the substance-parched late summer movie season.

Hollywood Hotline Featured Review
_Your_Friends_&_Neighbors_ (R) *** 1/2
    _Your_Friends_&_Neighbors_, writer-director Neil LaBute's follow-up to his
incendiary debut, _In_the_Company_of_Men_, does not have the sensational
"men are monsters" hook of the previous film, but it is every bit as
caustic--and the effect is nearly as fascinating.  This "modern immorality
tale," as the ads state, is a scathing, brutally funny, and ultimately
disturbing satire of sexual and social mores.
    The six central characters' names rhyme: Mary, Barry, Terri, Cheri, Cary,
and Jerry.  But any point to this bit of cutesy preciousness is moot, for
the characters' names (or, for that matter, the city name) are never spoken
throughout the entire film, adding a discomforting intimacy--it's as if we,
the audience, are witnessing our "friends" and "neighbors."  Why the
quotes?  Because while these six interact within the same overlapping
households and social circles under the guise of friendship, what they do
is distinctly unneighborly.  Amy Brenneman and Aaron Eckhart's characters
are unhappily married; he isn't getting the job done in bed, and he'd much
rather pleasure himself, anyway.  Brenneman (since the character names
assigned in the end credits are never used, neither will I) seeks something
"different" in the arms of one of Eckhart's best "friends", Ben Stiller,
who himself is having trouble with his live-in girlfriend, the "unfeminine"
Catherine Keener.  So it is not terribly surprising when Keener, who hates
Stiller's habit of talking during the act, seeks--and finds--silent sex
with another woman, Nastassja Kinski.  Kinski is an "artist's assistant" at
a gallery that is visited at various points by nearly each individual
member of the group, which is rounded out by the brash, egotistical,
misogynistic Jason Patric.
    It sounds like a mess, and it is; there's no rhythm or recognizable
structure to the entire film, jumping between characters and situations in
seemingly random fashion.  Ironically, though, LaBute's fractured style
heightens the reality of the events, which roughly assemble with the
imperfect coherence of strung-together memories.  Nonetheless, the jumble
is jarring, but the rough mosaic is made consistently engrossing by
LaBute's acidly comic dialogue, the intriguingly amoral (and well-rounded)
characters, and the crack acting ensemble.
    The clear standout in the cast is Patric.  While his character is an even
more extreme version of Eckhart's notorious Chad in _Men_, Patric's
earnestness prevents him from becoming a complete cartoon--which makes him
more all the more frightening.  Speaking of Eckhart, he is barely
recognizable here--and completely convincing--as slick, confident Chad's
complete opposite: fat, unkempt, and completely emasculated.  Brenneman may
betray her husband, but she makes the audience never lose sight of the
purehearted loneliness that drives her character to act in such a way; the
same, but to a lesser degree, goes for Keener, whose character is much
harder around the edges; and Stiller.  If one character remains a cipher,
it is Kinski's, who is mainly seen as an aloof object of desire (she is,
however, given some emotional gumption in her final scene).
    As funny as _Your_Friends_&_Neighbors_ often is, I wouldn't exactly call
it an _entertaining_ film.  As surreally exaggerated as some of the
characters and situations appear to be, the emotional fallout is painfully
genuine.  Long after the film is over, you may find yourself in deep
discussion about _Your_Friends_&_Neighbors_ with your friends and
neighbors--at least, those whom you _believe_ to be your friends and
neighbors.  (opens August 19)

IN CURRENT RELEASE
(full reviews of the following in past MRs and at the listed URLs)

-_Armageddon_ (PG-13) *** <MR#149, 7/1/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#armageddon
-_BASEketball_ (R) no stars <MR#153, 8/7/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#baseketball
-_Billy's_Hollywood_Screen_Kiss_ (R) *** <MR#148, 6/26/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#billy
-_Disturbing_Behavior_ (R) no stars <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#disturbing
-_Doctor_Dolittle_ (PG-13) ** <MR#148, 6/16/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#dolittle
-_Ever_After_ (PG-13) *** <MR#152, 7/30/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#everafter
-_Gone_with_the_Wind_ (G) **** <MR#147, 6/17/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#gwtw
-_Halloween:_H20--20_Years_Later_ (R) *** <MR#152, 7/30/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#h20
-_Jane_Austen's_Mafia!_ (PG-13) ** <MR#153, 8/7/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#mafia
-_Lethal_Weapon_4_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#lethal4
-_The_Mask_of_Zorro_ (PG-13) *** <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#zorro
-_Mulan_ (G) **** <MR#147, 6/17/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#mulan
-_The_Negotiator_ (R) *** <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#negotiator>
-_The_Opposite_of_Sex_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#144, 5/29/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt34.html#sex
-_Out_of_Sight_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#149, 7/1/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#outofsight
-_Polish_Wedding_ (PG-13) * 1/2 <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#polish
-_Saving_Private_Ryan_ (R) **** <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#ryan
-_Six_Days,_Seven_Nights_ (PG-13) *** <MR#146, 6/11/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#67
-_Small_Soldiers_ (PG) ** 1/2 <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#soldiers
-_There's_Something_About_Mary_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#mary
-_The_Truman_Show_ (PG) *** 1/2 <MR#145, 6/4/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#truman
-_The_X-Files_ (PG-13) *** 1/2 <MR#147, 6/17/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#x

FUTURE FILMS

-_Lolita_ (R) ** 1/2 <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#lolita
   (September 25)
-_Pecker_ (R) ** 1/2 <MR#153, 8/7/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#pecker
   (September 25)

O N  T H E  H O R I Z O N
FRIDAY

Air Bud: Golden Receiver (G)
    Sequel to last year's kiddie animal flick, with the hoops-playing golden
retriever now aiming for gridiron glory.  So why does he still have the
"Air" nickname?

The Avengers (PG-13)
    It seemed like the start of a bonafide blockbuster franchise--Academy
Award nominees Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman starring as secret agents Jon
Steed and Emma Peel in this lavish big-screen revival of the 1960s British
TV adventure series.  An Academy Award winner, Sean Connery, plays the
diabolical villain.  Alas, Warner Bros. is now delivering Jeremiah
Chechik's film into theatres with only moderate hype... and no advance
screenings for critics.  Hmm...

Gadjo Dilo (The Crazy Stranger)
    Import in which a Parisian man travels to Romania to find a gypsy singer
with whom he has fallen in love.

How Stella Got Her Groove Back (R)
    Adaptation of Terry McMillan's novel in which a 40-year-old woman's affair
with a 20-year-old Jamaican man (Taye Diggs, one of the original cast
members of Broadway's amazing _Rent_) raises eyebrows.  When the
40-year-old in question is the fiery and phenomenally fit Angela Bassett,
what exactly is the issue here?

Regeneration (R)
    Jonathan Pryce, James Wilby, and Jonny Lee Miller star in this adaptation
of Pat Barker's novel about a psychiatrist and the emotionally distressed
soldiers he deals with during World War I.

Return to Paradise (R) *** <see above review>
    Well-acted, if sluggishly paced, drama in which two friends (Vince Vaughn
and David Conrad) must decide whether to return to Malaysia to serve prison
time or not return and thus let a third friend (Joaquin Phoenix) hang.
Anne Heche and Jada Pinkett Smith also star.

Slums of Beverly Hills (R)
    Coming-of-age drama centering on a young woman (Natasha Lyonne) growing up
in the "bad" part of Beverly Hills in 1976.  Marisa Tomei and Alan Arkin
also star for writer-director Tamara Jenkins.


~~~

=>V I D E O<=
N E W  T H I S  W E E K

_The_Big_Lebowski_ (R) *** 1/2 <full review in MR#129, 2/5/98; and at
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt28.html#lebowski>
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=40957
    Joel and Ethan Coen's wild, wildly funny comedy of mistaken identity, with
slacker bowler Jeffrey Lebowski (Jeff Bridges) caught up in a ransom scheme
involving the wife of a millionaire who shares his name.  Julianne Moore,
Steve Buscemi, and a hilarious John Goodman also star.  (PolyGram Video)

_The_Man_in_the_Iron_Mask_ (PG-13) ** 1/2 <full review in MR#136, 3/27/98;
and at http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt30.html#ironmask>
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=40966
    Moderately diverting adaptation of Alexandre Dumas's Three Musketeers
adventure, with the swashbucklers (Jeremy Irons, John Malkovich, Gerard
Depardieu, and Gabriel Byrne) dealing with evil King Louis XIV (Leonardo
DiCaprio #1) and his imprisoned, masked twin (Leo #2).  (MGM/UA Home Video)

_Mr._Nice_Guy_ (PG-13) *** <full review in MR#135, 3/19/98; and at
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt30.html#niceguy>
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=40975
    The latest amusing time killer from the Jackie Chan assembly line casts
the legendary martial arts star as a TV cooking show host who does battle
with drug dealers.  (New Line Home Video)

_Niagara_Niagara_ (R) *** <full review in MR#134, 3/13/98; and at
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt30.html#niagara>
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=40981
    Robin Tunney's terrific performance as a young woman with Tourette's
Syndrome is the highlight of Bob Gosse's touching, if formulaic, road
romance, which co-stars Henry Thomas.  (Artisan Entertainment)

_Senseless_ (R) * 1/2 <full review in MR#131, 2/19/98; and at
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt29.html#senseless>
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=40937
    Marlon Wayans's gift for physical comedy isn't nearly enough to save
Penelope Spheeris's lame comedy about a college student (Wayans) who takes
an experimental drug that heightens his senses.  (Dimension Home Video)

A L S O  N E W  T H I S  W E E K

The Black Cauldron (PG)
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=4464
    After years of trying to deny its very existence, Disney is now trying to
squeeze a few bucks out of its 25th full-length animated feature, a
non-musical, PG-rated sword and sorcery adventure that nearly killed the
animation division after its disastrous box office performance in 1985.
See for yourself what all the fuss--or lack thereof--was about.  (Walt
Disney Home Video)

I Love You, I Love You Not (R)
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=40710
    Claire Danes and Jude Law star in this barely released romantic comedy
set in a ritzy Manhattan high school.  (Miramax Home Entertainment)


~~~

=>N E X T  W E E K<=

More reviews, including:
-_The_Avengers_

'til then...

__________________________________________________________

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From: Pat Casey <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Where Was It Filmed?
Date: 13 Aug 1998 23:01:18 EDT


Can anyone tell me where/what resort the film My Father The Hero was filmed?




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From: Blacknight <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Where Was It Filmed?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 11:38:51 +0800

Pat Casey wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me where/what resort the film My Father The Hero was
> filmed?
>

Locations:
  Paradise Island Resort, Nassau, Bahamas
  New York, USA


-blacknight

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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Reading is Fundamental (was Re: [MV] What was his last word?)
Date: 14 Aug 1998 00:31:04 -0400

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Subject: Re: [MV] Movie News - 08/13/98
Date: 14 Aug 1998 19:21:20 +0100

>
The Reporter writes
>[ My cat's breath smells like cat food ]
Ah Ralph Wiggum strikes again :) from Lisa's Rival I think
Garrett
I'm wondering is there any news about the XMen film, is it still in
preproduction or has it been bounced again, any out there know?

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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Movie News - 08/13/98
Date: 14 Aug 1998 11:35:29 -0700

RE: XMEN --  I have inside knowledge!  The movie is still having script
problems, Brian Singer doesn't want to proceed until it's done. They still
believe that it can be released summer of 99, but don't hold your breath.
Since APT PUPIL will be released soon, and it had it's first screening on
tuesday, Brian's going to try to tweek it alittle more, which puts
everything else on the back burner for now....

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> The Reporter writes
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> Ah Ralph Wiggum strikes again :) from Lisa's Rival I think
> Garrett
> I'm wondering is there any news about the XMen film, is it still in
> preproduction or has it been bounced again, any out there know?
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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/14/98
Date: 14 Aug 1998 12:59:41 -0600 (MDT)

Surf's up for Tom Hanks. The star of "Saving Private Ryan" has hired
"Into Thin Air" author Jon Krakauer to write the script for his
project about late Hawaiian surfer Mark Foo and his fellow daredevil
wave-riders. Hanks will serve as one of the producers of the untitled
Universal project. He could potentially play a role in the picture,
but he's not currently attached as an actor. The story will be about
the discovery by surfer Jeff Clark of the now-legendary big-wave
haven in northern California called Maverick's. It will also explore
the death of Foo, at Maverick's in December 1994.

                        -=> * <=-

Meryl Streep will add another string to her bow by replacing Madonna
in "50 Violins." Madonna exited the Miramax project in July due to
creative differences with director Wes Craven. "50 Violins," which
was several months into pre-production when Madonna quit, now has a
tentative start date of mid-October in New York. The picture is based
on the Oscar-nominated documentary "Small Wonders" about Roberta
Tzavaras. The East Harlem violin teacher trained a number of
inner-city hopefuls, some of them reaching Carnegie Hall standards.

-=> Disco Stu doesn't advertise <=-

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Date: 14 Aug 1998 19:00:26 -0000

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The Flick Filosopher: Today we have a special guest, Miss Emily Litella,
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Emily: Yuma! Let me tell you about Yuma! It's hot -- I mean really hot.
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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/14/98
Date: 14 Aug 1998 14:00:59 -0600 (MDT)

Reports that "The Avengers" is dead on arrival are slightly
exaggerated. The movie version of the sublime '60s TV spy
spoof may be heavy-handed and lacking in consistent pace,
but it does have its charms. Chief among them is a sly
performance by Ralph Fiennes as John Steed. (Sadly, Uma
Thurman's Emma Peel only looks the part. Uma's monotone
delivery throughout the picture is deadly -- and she plays
two roles!) There's also something to be said for a movie
that casts Sean Connery as a James Bondian villain intent on
controlling the world's weather, that outfits its evildoers
in teddy bear outfits and that offers original TV Steed
Patrick Macnee in a clever cameo. Besides, for once it's
good to see London destroyed in a summer '98 movie instead
of New York.

                        -=> * <=-

Mike Myers will step in for the late Chris Farley and do the
voice-over for the title role in "Shrek," an animated
feature from DreamWorks based on a book by cartoonist
William Stieg. "Shrek" also features the voices of Cameron
Diaz, Linda Hunt, John Lithgow and Eddie Murphy in an
off-beat fairy tale in which an ugly ogre shows up where
you'd normally expect to see a handsome prince.

-=> I hope I didn't brain my damage <=-

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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] WARNING
Date: 13 Aug 1998 04:00:59 -0400

Now that I have everybody's attention. Maybe I should tell you the
movies I have seen in the last week or so.  Saving Private Ryan. Lethal
weapon 4, Dr. Dolittle and the worlds famous revised Parent trap....

 Is something about Mary good? what about Ever after or Disturbing
Behavior??  I fear that I am doomed to a life of watching "On the way
home" or " Lamb of God" forevermore.............. ( not that there is
anything wrong with it)

 How many movies can you pack into one day, when you have your farewell
and have to pack more stuff? Wonder if the Bishop will let me skip out
early to catch a flick???

Megan

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From: "C J" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Who said it?
Date: 14 Aug 1998 16:02:35 -0700

Yepper that sure did come from the movie "A Few Good Men" The I want the truth is from a character played by Tom Cruise to Jack Nicklson.
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On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 02:00:24   Michael Allen Jr wrote:
>Well I don't know what movie its from (so this is real helpfull) ... but
>Homer Simpson said it... hehe
>
>Mike Allen (aka Dahrin)
>
>Meyers, Megan wrote:
>
>> I heard this line somewhere, maybe my sister said it. But it is from a
>> movie and for the life of me I can't recall which one.
>>
>>  The line is " I want the truth" Reply " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"
>>
>>  is this from a few good men???
>>
>> Megan
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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] different ratings?
Date: 12 Aug 1998 01:33:34 -0400

Hmmm.... You do have a good point. I hear that US movies are rated in a
different manner than Canada. Movies that are rated 14a in the States
are PG here. I guess the next government will have to vote!!

Megan
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>From:     Romero, Leticia[SMTP:[e-mail]]
>Sent:     Tuesday, August 11, 1998 10:25 AM
>To:     '[e-mail]'
>Subject:     RE: [MV] different ratings?
>
>>Producers shouldn't be allowed to do ANYTHING except sign the check!!  If
>>they were to do the rating, all movies would be PG or R to make sure all the
>>young men between 15-30 will come to see it again and again.  It's because
>>of producers that we were blessed with Fire Down Below and Whit Stillman...
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:    greuel [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>> Sent:    Tuesday, August 11, 1998 8:35 AM
>> To:    [e-mail]
>> Subject:    RE: [MV] different ratings?
>>
>>
>>
>> > Politics are just crazy. Why don't they let the producers of the movies
>> > rate them. I can understand how the Netherlands can be so free minded. I
>> > grew up there, but what I can't understand is how people lose their
>> > moral values over things like movies. If you all had to make your own
>> > rating system for movies... what would yours be like??
>>
>> Well, a country needs to protect those that need protection (children), so
>> if they
>> think that particular films or scenes can be harmful, they need to make
>> sure that
>> kids are not exposed to them. Obviously the boards differ in their
>> estimation what
>> is and what is not harmful. In the end that is a matter of culture and how
>> highly
>> you value free speech as opposed to the protection of individuals. It's a
>> tricky
>> matter, but  the ratings are merely concerned with children and young
>> adults. It gets
>> unpleasant when countries start to decide that even adults are not allowed
>> to see a
>> particular film or scene.
>>
>> thomas
>>
>> ---
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>> "One must still have chaos in one
>>  to give birth to a dancing star"
>>               Friedrich Nietzsche
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Subject: [MV] The Film.com Weekly Newsletter
Date: 14 Aug 1998 18:47:42 -0700


Welcome to the Film.com Newsletter  - a weekly mailing
of the news and reviews from www.film.com.

This mailing is distributed to the Film.com mailing list and to
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Contents - 8/14/98

1. The Avengers: No, No, No
2. How Stella Got Her Groove Back: Bassett as Wonder Woman
3. Return to Paradise: So What Would You Do?
4. Slums of Beverly Hills: The Agony of Puberty
5. Air Bud: Golden Receiver: Yes, It's  a Dog
6. The Best Man: My Best Friend's Wedding, Italian Style
7. Gadjo Dilo: Return of the Gypsies
8. Weekend Box Office
9. Preview: Blade
10. In the Screening Room . . .
11. Video news: New releases
12. Video specials from Reel.com
13. Movie Music
14. Do You Have G2?
15. Next week on Film.com

1. THE AVENGERS
Review excerpt by Robert Horton
http://www.film.com/reviews/index.jhtml?review_url=/film-review/1998/10694/1
8/default-review.html

" . .. "No point in setting out half-shod." No, this isn't an average
Hollywood blockbuster.
This is The Avengers, and John Steed is advising Mrs. Peel on the efficacy of
wearing the proper footwear. The movie has its share of clever, dry-gin
dialogue,
much in the spirit of the sixties TV series on which it is based.
Unfortunately,
Steed and Mrs. Peel are no longer played by Patrick Macnee and Diana Rigg,
but by Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman. And therein lies the secret to this
sometimes imaginative film's failure. . . ."

2. HOW STELLA GOT HER GROOVE BACK
Review excerpt by Moira Macdonald
http://www.film.com/reviews/index.jhtml?review_url=/film-review/1998/10801/1
11/default-review.html

" . . . And the fabulous Bassett, sadly, has little to do but wear a series
of
bikini tops and sarong skirts and stare wistfully out of windows. (Just
once, she gets outraged - at her pasty-faced boss - and scoffs at him,
storming out of his office. That moment has more life than anything
else in the movie.) And, ironically, her stunning looks undermine the
film's message. Bassett looks barely 30; Diggs appears to be in his
mid-20s. When a puffy-faced 60-year-old woman (i.e. Warren Beatty
in Bulworth) can walk into the sunset with a twentysomething man
beside her - that will be progress. I'm not holding my breath. Or
waiting to exhale, you might say."

3. RETURN TO PARADISE
Review excerpt by Robert Horton
http://www.film.com/reviews/index.jhtml?review_url=/film-review/1998/10802/1
8/default-review.html

" . . . Don't leave the hashish lying around. That's the mistake three
American buddies make in Malaysia, on the very day that two of them,
Sheriff (Vince Vaughn) and Tony (David Conrad) head back to the states.
The guy left behind, Lewis (Joaquin Phoenix), is busted for the stash and
thrown into a Third World hellhole. It gets worse. After two years of
rotting away, Lewis is going to be executed unless the two other men return
to Malaysia and do their time - a three-year sentence. . . . That's the
premise
of Return to Paradise, a movie that would very much like to press hard on the
what-would-you-do-if-you-were-in-this-situation audience button. The urgency
of the plot, and the strengths of the actors, create some potent scenes.
There's
enough good work in the movie to make you wish the problems might just
disappear. But they don't . . ."

4. SLUMS OF BEVERLY HILLS
Review excerpt by Elizabeth Weitzman
http://www.film.com/reviews/index.jhtml?review_url=/film-review/1998/10803/1
470/default-review.html

" . . . The '70s were unlike any other era. It's hard to be a teenager.
It's harder
to be a teenager with new breasts. These are things I think we can all agree
on, and director Tamara Jenkins knows it. So to make her movie about a
teenager with new breasts in the '70s, she had to come up with a gimmick.
The gimmick here, as in so many unsatisfying films, is sheer quirkiness.
Vibrators as dance partners. Manson t-shirts. Rita Moreno. All potential
draws, maybe, but are they enough? . . ."

5. AIR BUD: GOLDEN RECEIVER
Review excerpt by Sean P. Means
http://www.film.com/reviews/index.jhtml?review_url=/film-review/1998/10800/2
7/default-review.html

" . . . If a children's car seat is shoddily made, it gets recalled. So why
not
the same treatment for awful children's movies?

The first that we can send back to the factory is Air Bud: Golden
Receiver, an inept sequel to last year's film about a basketball-playing
dog. This time, the dog has taken up a new pastime: directing movies.

OK, so the credits say the director is Richard Martin, the son of
"Laugh-In" host Dick Martin (who makes a cameo appearance). But
the evidence - the stupid humor, bungled editing and camerawork,
and hackneyed storytelling - has the dog's pawprints all over it. . . ."

6. THE BEST MAN
Review excerpt by Tom Keogh
http://www.film.com/reviews/index.jhtml?review_url=/film-review/1998/10804/2
3/default-review.html

" . . . The film is a bit similar to what is perhaps Avati's best-known work
in the U.S., the 1989 The Story of Boys and Girls (released in America in
1991), which also concerned an assemblage of families over a celebration.
As with that film, profound observations come gently and themes build with a
subtle grace. Deep into the third act of The Best Man, a feeling of
transcendent
liberation, of lives rising singly and collectively past false assumptions
and
toward a visionary integrity, seems almost to have come from out of the blue.
But it is there and it is real, a terrific achievement on Avati's part. . . ."

7. GADJO DILO
http://www.film.com/reviews/index.jhtml?review_url=/film-review/1998/10805/2
3/default-review.html
Review excerpt by Robert Horton

" . . . At times one might wonder if the story isn't simply a convenient
device
to allow Gatlif to make another arty, quasi-documentary in the vein of Latcho
Drom. But for the most part the director's anthropological tendencies serve
the
narrative and are more interesting for it. . . . Still, what really turns a
viewer's head
is the currency of boldness that permeates so much of the lives of the
gypsy characters.
Sex, music, dance, grief, celebratory rituals - everything is right out
there, no holds
barred. It's understandable how a wanderer could fall in love with this
world, and it's
to Gatlif's credit that one wouldn't mind joining Stephane there for awhile."

8. BOX OFFICE RESULTS
Weekend of  August 7-9
http://www.film.com/reviews/rev_box/

1. Saving Private Ryan
2. Snake Eyes
3. Halloween: H20
4. There's Something About Mary
5. The Parent Trap
6. Ever After
7. The Negotiator
8. The Mask of Zorro
9. Armageddon
10. Lethal Weapon 4

9. PREVIEW: BLADE
http://www.film.com/reviews/rev_coming/previews/1998/10739/
Excerpt from preview, written by Jeff Shannon

" . . . The Internet's all abuzz with speculation about which of 1998's
vampire
movies will drip the most box-office blood. Will it be John Carpenter's
Vampires, a highly anticipated thriller from the auteur of Halloween
appropriately set for release October 30th? Or will it be Blade, the
action/horror vehicle for Wesley Snipes due to arrive at the multiplexes
August 21? Either way you cut it (or bite it, or slice and dice it), it's a
sure
bet that fang-ful vamp-fans will happily be seeing crimson on the big screen,
so read on to whet your nocturnal appetite . . . and don't forget your
wooden stakes . . ."

10.  IN THE SCREENING ROOM
http://www.film.com/screen/

This week: new trailers for Blade, Air Bud, Slums of Beverly Hills, and
Your Friends and Neighbors. Love. Plus, check out our "Film
Clips"  room, loaded with scenes from current films, and the
RealShorts Film Festival, our online collection of 31 short films
from the Seattle International Film Festival.

11. NEW VIDEO RELEASES
http://www.film.com/reviews/rev_video/

In Sean Axmaker's video column, read all about this week's new
releases, including The Apostle, Kundun, Capitaine Conan, The
Newton Boys, A Self-Made Hero, and a special edition of It's a
Wonderful Life. Be sure to send the "Print and Go" page to your
printer, to take along as a handy guide to the video store.

12. VIDEO SPECIALS FROM REEL.COM
http://www.film.com/store/

As many of this summer's big-studio releases continue to disappoint
(the latest offender: The Avengers), why not take a look at the independent-
film world. This week, Reel.com offers 25 percent off their best-selling
independent film titles, including The Full Monty, Waiting For Guffman,
Box of Moonlight, The Moderns, and more.

10. MOVIE MUSIC
http://www.film.com/reviews/rev_wild/stc/
http://www.film.com/reviews/rev_wild/tfs/

Next week on Soundtrack Cinema: "Hollywood's Golden Age." Ford
Thaxton presents scores from classic 20th Century Fox films, from such
masters as Bernard Herrmann and Alfred Newman.  And on the Ted Fry
Show, music from 75 years of Warner Bros. films, including everyone's
favorite piano music from Casablanca.

12. DO YOU HAVE G2?
www.film.com/reviews/smil

Check out the Film.com and Screening Room channels on the new
G2 Player - and don't miss the Talking Picture Show, in which Film.com's
critics debate the movies of the week.

NEXT WEEK . . .

Watch Film.com for reviews of Blade, Dance With Me, Your Friends and
Neighbors, Next Stop Wonderland, Dead Man on Campus, Wrongfully
Accused, and Regeneration, as well as a special RealVideo interview with
Jason Patric and Neil LaBute. And stay tuned for our fabulous Fall Movie
Preview, coming September 8.

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From: Jason Cormier <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Avengers review
Date: 15 Aug 1998 02:54:04 -0700

If you ever hear that a studio is not giving the press a preview screening
because they want the press to "discover the film with the rest of the
audience" then do NOT see that movie.  It spells disaster - and disaster is
now spelled A-V-E-N-G-E-R-S.  Not the absolute worst movie I've ever seen.
To say something good - the visuals were really interesting.  That kept me
awake from scene to scene - wondering what new visual we would be treated
to - men dressed as teddy bears seated around a table, Big Ben blowing up,
mechanical bees attacking etc...  The major problem was that it felt so
disjointed.  Nothing fit together here - it was as if they took a lot of
cool ideas and threw them into a movie and then created a story around it.
But the story is minimal, transparent and weak.  Ralph does a fine job but
the script is at fault for not letting his character develop at all.  And I
don't want to even talk about Uma - whew - talk about being cast by the
look only.  I have to fail this movie (although I was pleasantly amused by
seeing an M.C. Escher painting acted out!).
Jay the Movieman
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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] So how did The Avengers do?
Date: 15 Aug 1998 16:39:47 -0600


Anyone know how it did on its opening day? And any reviews out there?

Jayson
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I've been down this road walkin' the line
That's painted by pride
And I have made mistakes in my life
That I just can't hide
Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
I've been searching my soul tonight
I know there's so much more to life
Now I know I can shine a light
To find my way back home

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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] REVIEW: THE OPPOSITE OF SEX
Date: 15 Aug 1998 16:41:51 -0600


THE OPPOSITE OF SEX
(Sony Classics)
Starring:  Christina Ricci, Martin Donovan, Lisa Kudrow, Ivan Sergei,
Lyle
Lovett, Johnny Galecki, William Scott Lee.
Screenplay:  Don Roos.
Producers:  David Kirkpatrick and Michael Besman.
Director:  Don Roos.
MPAA Rating:  R (sexual situations, profanity, adult themes, violence)
Running Time:  100 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

     THE OPPOSITE OF SEX may actually be too limiting a title for
screenwriter Don Roos' tart-tongued directorial debut.  After winding
its
way through relationship comedy, road picture grit and a dozen genre
stops
in between, it turns out to be the opposite of nearly everything it
first
appears to be, including:

     1) The opposite of sincerely-narrated coming-of-age drama.
Long-time
readers know of my disdain for voice-over narration as a substitute for
effective film storytelling.  THE OPPOSITE OF SEX opens with a warning
from Dedee Truitt (Christina Ricci), the 16-year-old vixen at the center
of the story:  "If you're one of those people who don't like movies
where
some person you can't see talks the whole time and covers up the holes
in
the plot...then you're out of luck."  Like most of Dedee's comments,
that
one isn't particularly trustworthy.  The narration provides crucial and
often hilarious peeks into the troubled character, who runs away from
home
to stay with her gay half-brother Bill (Martin Donovan), then proceeds
to
seduce his lover Matt (Ivan Sergei), steal $10,000 of his money and hit
the road again with Matt in tow.  Roos turns Dedee's bitchy,
politically-incorrect narration into an effective tool for understanding
characters and subverting expectations, enough to make me soften my
absolutist anti-narration stance.  That's not to say that the film is
all
about caustic indifference.  In fact, it's...

     2) The opposite of cynical.  Roos has little interest in wallowing
in
indie-pic nihilism.  Despite the multitude of quirky touches, THE
OPPOSITE
OF SEX is a surprisingly human story of people for whom sex is either
frightening, or manipulative, or a substitute for something more
substantial.  Ricci plays deftly both with and against Dedee's
bile-filled
dialogue, giving her a sympathetic edge as she journeys towards some
measure of maturity.  Even better is Lisa Kudrow, cast brilliantly
against
type as Lucia, the deeply-repressed sister of Bill's deceased lover.
Playing a character so profoundly disappointed by life that everything
and
everyone similarly disappoints her, she moves and speaks like a
perpetually constricted sphincter muscle.  It's a brutally funny and
quite
touching performance, one of the year's best.  It also makes it clear
that
THE OPPOSITE OF SEX is...

     3) The opposite of a "guy movie."  Photos of a scantily-clad Ricci
on
the promotional posters notwithstanding, THE OPPOSITE OF SEX is only
moderately successful at getting inside the male head.  For some reason,
Roos (SINGLE WHITE FEMALE, BOYS ON THE SIDE) has generally written much
more compelling female characters than male characters through his
career.
That's true again here, where Ricci and Kudrow steal the show from their
male co-stars in less-developed roles.  Erstwhile "Roseanne" co-star
Johnny Galecki, as a body-pierced, mincing youth infatuated with Matt,
is
less a character than gay comic relief; William Scott Lee offers yet
another Christian character who's ignorant and violent.  Even Lyle
Lovett,
as the gentle sheriff with a crush on Lucia, is given too little shading
for the important role he ultimately plays.  Only Martin Donovan, always
adept at fleshing out minimalist characterizations with piercing
glances,
emerges fully-formed.  Roos covers up several weaknesses with his sharp
dialogue, but he can't hide the sketchy male roles, nor the fact that
THE
OPPOSITE OF SEX is...

    4) The opposite of flashy independent film-making.  Every once in a
while, Roos gets overtly cinematic on us -- a slow pan after a gunshot
is
heard, a sentimental montage of Bill after Matt leaves.  Otherwise, THE
OPPOSITE OF SEX might as well be a stage play, a collection of static
medium compositions of characters in conversation.  Fortunately, those
conversations are full of quotable lines and keen insights into the way
we
use and abuse sex, and vice-versa.  Don't expect dumb comedy, gratuitous
titillation or cheap sentimentality from THE OPPOSITE OF SEX.  You're
going to get the opposite of all that.

     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 opposites attracting:  7.

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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] REVIEW: THE AVENGERS
Date: 15 Aug 1998 16:43:43 -0600


THE AVENGERS
(Warner Bros.)
Starring:  Ralph Fiennes, Uma Thurman, Sean Connery, Jim Broadbent.
Screenplay:  Don Macpherson.
Producer:  Jerry Weintraub.
Director:  Jeremiah Chechik.
MPAA Rating:  PG-13 (profanity, violence)
Running Time:  89 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

     There's bad buzz, and then there's the the bad buzz which
surrounded
THE AVENGERS, the kind that sounds like a swarm of Africanized bees
after
a particularly vigorous hive-shaking.  Disastrous test screenings, it
was
said, had led to a furious round of damage control, including multiple
re-shoots of the ending, a release date bumped to the dog days of
August,
and forty minutes axed from the original running time.  A gratuitous
"f-word" had even been added to bump the rating from a PG to PG-13.
Then,
all the worst fears seemed to be confirmed when Warner Bros. announced
that no advance screenings would be held for the media.  How fulsome a
stink bomb could they be hiding?

     You may think you're ready for the possibility that a film could be
bad, but little can prepare you for something as pointless, smug and
misguided as THE AVENGERS.  Like the 1960s British television series of
the same name, it concerns a dapper secret agent named John Steed (Ralph
Fiennes) partnered by his employers at the Ministry with slinky but
dangerous Mrs. Emma Peel (Uma Thurman) to protect the world from evil.
Evil in this case takes the form of Sir August DeWynter (Sean Connery),
a
disgruntled former government worker who now can control the world's
weather.  Thus is is up to Steed and Peel to save the world from
meteorological extortion, whenever they have time between rounds of
calculated badinage.

     It is the latter which proves most instantly and consistently
grating
in THE AVENGERS.  Ralph Fiennes and Uma Thurman spend most of their
scenes
together engaging in a smirk throwing contest, each one trying to look
the
most amused with him or herself, eyebrows so prominently arched you're
afraid someone might sprain something.  This despite the fact that Don
Macpherson's dialogue is a study in witlessness, tossing out
embarrassing
puns as though they were saucy enough to turn Oscar Wilde green with
envy.
Though they generally appear content to let their wardrobe do most of
the
acting for them, Fiennes and Thurman should be commended for one
impressive demonstration of dramatic skill:  they're able to treat the
most mundane comments as though they were nuggets of pure comic gold
bestowed upon the world.

     That kind of quip-heavy self-awareness was certainly true of the
namesake television series as well, so what's so wrong with this
variation
on the theme?  In short, both the personnel and the context.  Patrick
Macnee and Diana Rigg, the most celebrated of the series' pairings,
shared
a genuine chemistry which made the romantic tension fun to watch.
Fiennes
and Thurman appear far too enamored of their own charm and cleverness to
bother connecting with one another.  They're also dropped into a summer
blockbuster milieu entirely inappropriate for light-hearted capering.
Imagine an episode of the old "Batman" series with a $70 million budget,
and you'll understand what's so wrong with THE AVENGERS.  It's hard to
endear yourself to an audience with low-tech campiness at the same time
you're blowing something up every 10 minutes, or sending huge mechanical
insects after our heroes like something out of the speeder bike chase
from
RETURN OF THE JEDI.

     We're long past the point of pretending that plot or character has
anything to do with 1990s-model Hollywood summer fare, so I won't even
bother slapping THE AVENGERS around for exhibiting symptoms of that
particular contagious disease.  But such a film has to give you
something
to latch on to:  engaging performers, effective pacing, a decent villain
to hiss.  Not even Sean Connery, blustering about without the faintest
idea why his character does anything, can pump up the charisma quotient
of
this tedious car wreck of a film.  The closest recent analog to THE
AVENGERS is BATMAN AND ROBIN, but at least BATMAN AND ROBIN had its
sheer
momenteum and comic-book gaudiness to salvage it.  THE AVENGERS is just
action sequences in search of a movie, actors in search of a reason to
keep smirking.  Crimes against film audiences must be avenged; the buzz
of
surly patrons coming out of the theater may be even more frightening
than
the buzz on the film.

     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 buzz stops:  0.

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Subject: Re: [MV] So how did The Avengers do?
Date: 15 Aug 1998 19:44:38 EDT

In a message dated 8/15/98 10:48:59 PM !!!First Boot!!!, [e-mail]
writes:

<<  And any reviews out there? >>

Coming.

And from Buzzy, once a week movie reviews.  Maven.


    Buzzy

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From: "Tonya =)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: Reading is Fundamental (was Re: [MV] What was his last word?)
Date: 15 Aug 1998 23:26:10 -0500

you wrote:
> This is a joke, right??
>
> Geeze, I wish the bloody newbies would learn to bloody read!!!!!
>
> Regards,
>
> --Mel


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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: Reading is Fundamental (was Re: [MV] What was his last word?)
Date: 16 Aug 1998 01:20:06 -0400

Mel,
 I totally agree with you. But maybe this person is illiterate, Should
have stayed in school!!!

Megan

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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] MV REVIEW
Date: 16 Aug 1998 07:19:08 -0400

Hey there!!

 I only have a few minutes before I have to go down stairs to eat the
Protien packed MTC food. But I thought I would let you know some stuff!!


 The last movie I saw was Ever After. I have to say that Drew Barrymore
did an excellent job! She played the part of Danielle so beautifully!!
If you liked Cinderella when growing up, like to laugh, or want to know
the truth, GO WATCH THIS MOVIE> It was really awesome........ I give it
an 8.5 outta 10!!! Way to go!!!


 Megan now in Provo UT

P.s I have a laptop, and I'm allowed to use it so if any of you want to
email me through  my mission............ go ahead my address is
[e-mail]      Have a ball. Anyone going into the MTC here
is some advice. DON'T EAT THE FOOD>................

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From: Pat Casey <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] My Father The Hero
Date: 16 Aug 1998 18:00:31 EDT

Can anyone tell me where/which resort My Father The Hero was filmed?  If
not, can you direct me to anyone who might know?

Pat Casey


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] The Avengers / Buzzy's Review and News
Date: 16 Aug 1998 18:15:39 EDT

The Avengers

This movie is so gosh darn pretty.  It looks like someone hopped in a time
machine, zipped back to the sixties, snagged a movie reel, and then zipped
back to 1998.  But honest to goodness, I kept falling asleep.

It really, truly, has the look and feel of sixties television.  Though in
1998, sixties television falls flat.  I believe the creators wanted to stay so
true to the original, were such fans, that along the way they lost themselves
in the whole bloody atmosphere.

Ralph Fiennes, the new John Steed, is exceedingly charming.  He has dash and
flair that pour over your skin in a silky smooth bath of pleasure.  But he
succeeds best as sensory candy.  Tasty, yet leaving you unsatisfied.

Uma Thurman, as Mrs. Emma Peel, is lovely and sexily polite.  However she
comes across as not much more than a decorative set piece.  A pretty trinket
to delight the eye.

Sean Connery, as meglomaniacal villain Sir August De Wynter, cuts a buffoonish
figure.  None more so then in an obligatory scene where he faces off Uma's oh
so sexy, Emma Peel.

The cameo by the original, and eternal, John Steed is a delight.  Probably the
best scene in the entire picture.  None could hope to best that man's charm.

So, if you;d like to lose yourself for a while, take a trip back in time, then
go for an afternoon or evening matinee.  Your senses will thank you.


Buzzy

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Subject: [MV] The Negotiator / Buzzy's Review
Date: 16 Aug 1998 18:16:37 EDT

The Negotiator

Amazingly complex.  This film did not lose an iota of my attention from t=
he=0Afirst minute on.  Of course, there was that embarrassing moment duri=
ng the=0Atrailers when I heard the Blade music and yelled, =93Blade, Woo!=
=94  But that is=0Aanother review.

I was thoroughly caught up in the plot=92s intricacies as the movie rolle=
d on=0Ato, what I found to be, a surprising conclusion.  The imagery, lig=
hting, music=0Aand fx, along with the well-written screenplay, work toget=
her to elicit much=0Adesired effects.

In these summer months, when many movies strive for attention by knocking=
 you=0Aover the head, or slapping you silly, The Negotiator quietly (even=
 with slam=0Abang action) gathers you in and carries you along for a very=
 satisfying=0Aexperience.

Samuel L. Jackson and Kevin Spacey are, most definitely, the stars of thi=
s=0Aactor=92s showcase.  They are superb.  I did not know that Kevin Spac=
ey could=0Amanage the subtle intensity that he brings to bear here.  Samu=
el L. Jackson,=0Awhose career I=92ve not paid a lot of attention to, knoc=
ked me on my butt with=0Ahis portrayal of Danny Roman, police negotiator =
turned hostage taker.

The rest of the cast turn out a first rate ensemble performance.  Each on=
e=0Amanages to bring across the individual characterizations while pullin=
g=0Atogether to form an impressive whole.

A good choice for when you are tired of the, golly gee whiz picks, and yo=
u do=0Anot want to settle for a, so-called, chick flick.


Buzzy=0A


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Who said it?
Date: 16 Aug 1998 21:15:01 EDT

In a message dated 98-08-13 01:25:38 EDT, you write:

<< The line is " I want the truth" Reply " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"

  is this from a few good men???  >>

No, it's from Bill Clinton's testimony before the Grand Jury. If you did not
catch it that time, he will repeat it in his televised address to the nation.
Although all of the American television networks will broadcast it, tune in to
CBS to see BS (Bill speak).

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From: Scott Renshaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] REVIEW: YOUR FRIENDS & NEIGHBORS
Date: 16 Aug 1998 20:24:13 -0600 (MDT)

YOUR FRIENDS & NEIGHBORS
(Gramercy)
Starring:  Amy Brenneman, Aaron Eckhart, Catherine Keener, Nastassja
Kinski, Jason Patric, Ben Stiller.
Screenplay:  Neil LaBute.
Producers:  Jason Patric and
Director:  Neil LaBute.
MPAA Rating:  R (profanity, sexual situations, adult themes)
Running Time:  100 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

     In an era when too many films bludgeon you with exposition,
desperately afraid of leaving anyone behind, Neil LaBute says as much with
what he refuses to tell you as he does with his words.  His blistering
1997 debut IN THE COMPANY OF MEN explored corporate and interpersonal
power games without ever naming the company, its product, or the city in
which it was located.  In so doing, he gave the story an uncomfortable
sense of generic familiarity.  Now comes YOUR FRIENDS & NEIGHBORS, a tale
of the complicated social and sexual dynamics between six urbanites:
college drama teacher Jerry (Ben Stiller); his live-in girlfriend Terri
(Catherine Keener); he best friend Barry (Aaron Eckhart); Barry's wife
Mary (Amy Brenneman); their womanizing pal Cary (Jason Patric); and
artist's assistant Cheri (Nastassja Kinski).

     Chuckle at the rhyming name conceit if you will, but that would only
be your most immediate reaction if you saw them in the closing credits.
You'd spend a bit more time puzzling over the realization that not a
single one of those names was ever spoken during the film.  For all the
memorable conversations LaBute gives to his characters, YOUR FRIENDS &
NEIGHBORS is really about failure in communication, a failure at achieving
any semblance of intimacy.  Cary prepares for his sexual encounters by
rehearsing his pillow talk into a tape recorder; Terri berates Jerry for
"breaking [her] concentration" by talking during sex; Barry and Mary find
themselves unable to talk about their sexual dysfunction problems, leading
to Mary seeking comfort from another man.  Despite the friendship or love
which ostensibly is between them, these six people treat each other like
strangers, as though they don't even know each other's names.

     It's a premise just as provocative as that of IN THE COMPANY OF MEN,
but it's not executed with quite the same skill.  IN THE COMPANY OF MEN
was an example of clockwork plotting, leading a viewer to a powerful
conclusion in which everything that preceded it suddenly took on greater
resonance.  YOUR FRIENDS & NEIGHBORS is more pure character study, less
concerned with where the characters are going than with where they are.
The few bits of unique composition LaBute includes, specifically a
recurring scene in an art gallery where only the characters change, are
more self-consciously clever than revelatory.  As intriguing and often
darkly comic as YOUR FRIENDS & NEIGHBORS may be, it doesn't entirely
satisfy as a narrative.  It's more like a slice of domestic life sliced
off with the razor of LaBute's caustic words -- Altman's SHORT CUTS as
written by David Mamet.

     That still makes YOUR FRIENDS & NEIGHBORS a cut above the
competition, particularly as a showcase for its cast.  Jason Patric sinks
his teeth into the showiest role, the baldly self-absorbed Cary,
delivering one monologue about participating in a sexual assault with a
frightening tenderness.  Aaron Eckhart, the callow Chad from IN THE
COMPANY OF MEN, is almost unrecognizable as the paunchy cuckold who
believes that he has been his own most satisfying sexual partner.  The
women fare less well, with Amy Brenneman a puzzlement as the unhappy Mary,
but every one of the six principal performers has at least one gripping
moment.  YOUR FRIENDS & NEIGHBORS isn't the icy triumph IN THE COMPANY OF
MEN was, but it continues Neil LaBute's unflinching, unnerving examination
of language as assault, of every human interaction as a power struggle.
He says all the things we're generally unwilling to admit we say...and,
sometimes, the things we don't say.

     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 dropped names:  8.

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From: Jason Cormier <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Return to Paradise review
Date: 16 Aug 1998 22:41:29 -0700

A movie that gets you thinkin'.  There are some superfluous scenes in this
movie but mostly it is pretty interesting and aggravating at the same time.
 Vince Vaughn from Swingers does a really good job as he finds out his
friend has been spending the last 2 years in jail in Malaysia and it is
partly his fault.  Anne Heche does a fine job trying to convince him and
his other friend to go back to Malaysia so that his friend won't hang.  A
lot of moral questions that you will ask your friend as you're leaving the
theatre.  Interesting and well acted (minus a few unnecesarry scenes) - 78%.
Jay the Movieman
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From: Jayson <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Favor
Date: 17 Aug 1998 17:38:38 +0800 (HKT)

Can someone pls update me on what happened while I was away cause I was
removed temporarily from the list (my mails bounced). Thanks!

Jayson
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I've been down this road walkin' the line
That's painted by pride
And I have made mistakes in my life
That I just can't hide
Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
I've been searching my soul tonight
I know there's so much more to life
Now I know I can shine a light
To find my way back home


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From: "choquette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Favor
Date: 17 Aug 1998 03:03:29 +0000

How did you get removed?  I have been trying to get removed from
this fucking list for a year now.  Please help me!!!  I am so sick
and tired of hearing people whinning abput the movies that they have
seen and disliked.  Noone has anything good to say about anything.
"There's something about Mary" is one of the funniest movies I have
ever seen.  "Saving Private Ryan" is one of the best, most graphic
movies I have seen.  "The Mask of Zorro" is a very light hearted
comedy for the whole family.  "Ever After" if a Romantic story that
everyone will love. Anyone that has anything else to say about these
movies can fuck off and kiss my ass.  So Fuck You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GET
Me OFF OF YOUR MAILING LIST "CAUSE I HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY!!!
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!!  i DON'T WANT OT BE ON YOUR MAILING
LIST ANYMORE.  Don't you get it.  I want eeryone to personaly take me
off their list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE
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From: "choquette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Movie News - 08/13/98
Date: 17 Aug 1998 03:05:58 +0000

XMEN???????????????GET A FUCKING LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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From: "choquette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movie News - 08/13/98
Date: 17 Aug 1998 03:06:37 +0000

yOUR cAT IS rOAD kILL

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From: "choquette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/14/98
Date: 17 Aug 1998 03:10:04 +0000

GET OVER YOURSELF ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!  Ralph Fiennes is one of the
best acotrs ever known to your kind.  Sean can kick your ass and for
that matter so can UMA!!!!!!!!!!

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From: "choquette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] My Father The Hero
Date: 17 Aug 1998 03:11:53 +0000

Maybe CANCUN

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From: "choquette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] My Father The Hero
Date: 17 Aug 1998 03:12:45 +0000

Maybe club MED

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From: "choquette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] REVIEW: THE AVENGERS
Date: 17 Aug 1998 03:15:40 +0000

Perhaps you would like to rent TITANIC when it come out 09/01/98?
HMMM BIG PERSON?!!!

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From: "choquette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] The Avengers / Buzzy's Review and News
Date: 17 Aug 1998 03:21:12 +0000

Can anyone watch a movie as just a movie and not something that is
just there to please thier stuck up little ass? I mean what does it
take for someone to say " WOW, I could never right a movie like
that!"  Can any one of you A**holes Act??

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From: "choquette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] The Negotiator / Buzzy's Review
Date: 17 Aug 1998 03:27:31 +0000

Don't even think of bagging on BLADE!!  The beautiful Dorff and
Snipes happen to be in this film and though it may not be a
blockbuster hit it will still be entertaining.  Most Vanpire Movies
are Good vanpire movies and this is certainly not a horror flick like
that stupid "I know what you did last Summer", and every SCREAM movie
      What?  Are there two Scream movies now?  How fucKing
exciting!!!

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From: "choquette" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Who said it?
Date: 17 Aug 1998 03:32:18 +0000

As far as I'm concerned, about Bill Clinton,  at least he is human.
I think Monica set him up.  Why else would she be lookimk at the
camera man at just the right moment on the front of nearly all of the
mags.  Right when Clinton hugs her.  How convenient.  How many other
girls or old women did he hug that day at that time?????????/

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From: Mladen Golac <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Who said it?
Date: 17 Aug 1998 13:39:20 +0200

Stop you stupid comments and get off our backs!

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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] The Negotiator / Buzzy's Review
Date: 17 Aug 1998 08:33:03 EDT

Dearie, I don't blame you for getting cheesed off about my Avengers review.  I
did get real snippy.  But I would never bag on Blade.  What I meant is that I
find myself nearly orgasmic in anticipation of what is bound to be a
spectacular movie.  Dorf is a doll and Wesley looks tough enough for all kinds
of fun.  I am a lifelong horror, especially vampires, fan.


Buzzy

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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] The Negotiator / Buzzy's Review
Date: 17 Aug 1998 08:39:21 -0400

 Buzzy,I totally agree with you. All I have to say to people on this
list is that if you don't like the reviews, go watch the movie yourself
and develop your own opinions. Remember these are our opinions, and
everyone is entitled to them.

Megan

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>To:     [e-mail]
>Subject:     Re: [MV] The Negotiator / Buzzy's Review
>
>Dearie, I don't blame you for getting cheesed off about my Avengers review.
>I
>did get real snippy.  But I would never bag on Blade.  What I meant is that I
>find myself nearly orgasmic in anticipation of what is bound to be a
>spectacular movie.  Dorf is a doll and Wesley looks tough enough for all
>kinds
>of fun.  I am a lifelong horror, especially vampires, fan.
>
>
>Buzzy
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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] The Negotiator / Buzzy's Review
Date: 17 Aug 1998 08:42:09 EDT

In a message dated 8/17/98 12:40:34 PM !!!First Boot!!!,
[e-mail] writes:

<< Remember these are our opinions, and
 everyone is entitled to them.

 Megan
  >>


Thank you, Megan.


Buzzy

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From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Favor
Date: 17 Aug 1998 15:00:50 cet



> How did you get removed?  I have been trying to get removed from
> this fucking list for a year now.  Please help me!!!  I am so sick
> and tired of hearing people whinning abput the movies that they have
> seen and disliked.  Noone has anything good to say about anything.
> "There's something about Mary" is one of the funniest movies I have
> ever seen.  "Saving Private Ryan" is one of the best, most graphic
> movies I have seen.  "The Mask of Zorro" is a very light hearted
> comedy for the whole family.  "Ever After" if a Romantic story that
> everyone will love. Anyone that has anything else to say about these
> movies can fuck off and kiss my ass.  So Fuck You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GET
> Me OFF OF YOUR MAILING LIST "CAUSE I HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY!!!
> FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!!  i DON'T WANT OT BE ON YOUR MAILING
> LIST ANYMORE.  Don't you get it.  I want eeryone to personaly take me
> off their list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wow, what a brilliant statement! You should be taken into the
Movies-list hall of fame. It's smart assholes like us that take great fun in
posts like yours. Let's hope you never discover the secret message on
the bottom of every mail. If you are a really good choquette, we can
put you on more lists, maybe some with higher traffic.

Thank you for making my day,

you are so funny

oh,  and keep posting!

thomas


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From: Diane Christy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Favor
Date: 17 Aug 1998 09:40:47 -0500

On 8/16/98, 10:03 PM -0500, choquette said so nicely:
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From: "Danielle Conkle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Space Odyssey
Date: 17 Aug 1998 11:10:03 PDT

   Hello everyone!!  I just finished watching 2001:a space Odyssey and
had to find someone to talk about it with, so i joined up with the list.
Anyone else seen it...have any comments on it??


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From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Space Odyssey
Date: 17 Aug 1998 14:29:51 -0400

At 14:10 8/17/98 , you wrote:
>   Hello everyone!!  I just finished watching 2001:a space Odyssey and
>had to find someone to talk about it with, so i joined up with the list.
>Anyone else seen it...have any comments on it??

I would venture to ask, "Has anyone NOT seen it?"  I own the Criterion
LaserDisc Edition and it is by far the best version that exists.  I have a
lot of comments on it, where would you like to begin?

Ryan Allen
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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Favor
Date: 17 Aug 1998 13:12:47 -0400

At 03.03 AM 17/08/98 +0000, choquette wrote:
>How did you get removed?  I have been trying to get removed from
>this fucking list for a year now.
<Snip>
 Anyone that has anything else to say about these
>movies can fuck off and kiss my ass.  So Fuck You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GET
>Me OFF OF YOUR MAILING LIST "CAUSE I HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY!!!
>FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!!  i DON'T WANT OT BE ON YOUR MAILING
>LIST ANYMORE.  Don't you get it.  I want eeryone to personaly take me
>off their list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNSUBSCRIBE
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So are you an idiot, or illerate??  Can you not READ what is at the bottom
of EVERY message that comes over this list??

Personally, I get tired of listening to this crap.  And as if your
inability to unsub (with bleeding DIRECTIONS) wasn't an indication of your
intelligence, your inability to use words with more than four letters just
confirms what is evident.

Better idea.  Shut off the computer.  Take it back to the shop you bought
it.  Ask for your money back.  And when they ask why, tell them that you
are too bloody stupid to own a computer!!!!

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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Spammer
Date: 17 Aug 1998 13:36:00 -0400

Dear Sir/Madam:

This morning, I had the dubious pleasure of opening my mailbox, and
downloading nearly a dozen messages from one of your subscribers, going by
the name  "choquette" and having the email address <[e-mail]>.

The messages in question were part of a mailing list that both choquette
and myself subscribe to.  Although I am in no way part of the management of
the mailing list in question, I am bothered by a number of actions that
your subscriber has taken.  As the messages from this subscriber are coming
into my mailbox, I am affected here.

First of all, some background.  This is an opt-in mailing list concerning
reviews of movies.  One must subscribe to receive posts to this list.  I
have chosen to be subscribed, and due to controls on this list, we must
assume that choquette has also chosen to be here.  In addition, EACH AND
EVERY piece of mail received from this mailing list has unsubscribe
instruction; however, choquette has failed to unsubscribe.

The emails in question (one of which I have forwarded to you, and I would
be willing to forward as many as you need) have been quite abusive, and
each and every one of her posts have contained profanity.  This is
bordering on spam.

At this time, I am not sure of your policies concerning use of your
service.  However, as a member of CAUCE, I can only say that this type of
abuse is not tolerated on to vast majority of the internet.  At this time,
I am not asking that the email account of choquette be suspended, but I
think that her ISP needs to issue a warning about what is and is not
acceptable behaviour.

If I can be of any further assistance to you, please to not hesitate to
contact me.

Regards,

--Mel Eperthener

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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/17/98
Date: 17 Aug 1998 12:52:23 -0600 (MDT)

"Saving Private Ryan" still commands the top spot in the
North American box-office returns. Steven Spielberg's World
War II epic took in $12.9 million for the weekend, making it
the most popular film for the fourth straight week and
pushing its total take to $125.8 million. Debuting in second
place was "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" with $11.8
million, followed by "The Avengers" with $10.8 million.
"There's Something About Mary" held steady in fourth with
$9.1 million, while the Nicolas Cage thriller "Snake Eyes"
fell three places to fifth in its second weekend with $8.7
million.

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From: Ken Andrews <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movie News - 08/13/98
Date: 17 Aug 1998 11:24:20 -0800

I already responding to choquett regarding why his post was and is
offensive.  This is not meant to offend anyone but to inform you.  Some of
us are using family computers, and while I do have Surfwatch to prevent my
pre teen children from obtaining graphic material, we do share the same
email account.  Realize that my children could possibly read one of your
posts.

I'm not trying to "shelter" them from every four letter word, and raise
them in some non-offensive bubble, but I do try to keep them from worthless
dribble.  Help me, please.

Ken
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> XMEN???????????????GET A FUCKING LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From: Nathan Pralle <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE:  NON-Movie Related:  Mel's Rant
Date: 17 Aug 1998 14:18:11 -0500

>Better idea.  Shut off the computer.  Take it back to the shop you bought
>it.  Ask for your money back.  And when they ask why, tell them that you
>are too bloody stupid to own a computer!!!!

Amen, Mel

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From: "Danielle Conkle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Space Odyssey
Date: 17 Aug 1998 13:16:31 PDT


>I would venture to ask, "Has anyone NOT seen it?"  I own the Criterion
>LaserDisc Edition and it is by far the best version that exists.  I
have a
>lot of comments on it, where would you like to begin?

     When i watched the top 100 movies ever on tv, before i had claimed
myself as the movie queen, because i had seen so many.  But I realized i
really hadn't seen that many movies made before the 80s (I'm only 17).
So i set off on my quest to see some of the top 100 that looked of
interest.  I've seen probably 40 something of them now.  I remember when
i went and saw MAFIA! with a huge group of friends (we took up over a
row...)  i was the only one in the group that had seen The Godfather
(which the whole movie was a spoof of!).  Same with 2001: a space
odyssey.  I went out and asked all my friends if they had seen it so we
could talk about it...only no one had seen it before!  no one from my
generation has seen any of these movies!   After i watched "..Odyssey" i
was like "woah!"  It's hard to even describe it or compare it with any
other movie, even to rate it, because it was unlike anything i've ever
seen.  Someone began to tell me the symbolism in the movie...if only
they had been there sitting beside as i watched it!
    What do you think was your favorite part?  Or how do you describe
it?  I would love to hear anything you have to say on it!
  -Danielle


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From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Thank you
Date: 17 Aug 1998 16:22:57 EDT

I just wanted to thank those of you who stuck up for me earlier today.  Also,
those of you who subscribed to my movie reviews.

Thank you.  You make me so happy.


Buzzy

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From: Pat Casey <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Unsubscribe Movies
Date: 17 Aug 1998 16:31:27 EDT

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From: Bill Code <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Space Odyssey
Date: 17 Aug 1998 13:45:09 -0700

>At 14:10 8/17/98 , you wrote:
>>   Hello everyone!!  I just finished watching 2001:a space Odyssey and
>>had to find someone to talk about it with, so i joined up with the list.
>>Anyone else seen it...have any comments on it??
>
>I would venture to ask, "Has anyone NOT seen it?"  I own the Criterion
>LaserDisc Edition and it is by far the best version that exists.  I have a
>lot of comments on it, where would you like to begin?

OOOOO... The Criterion! Is there much extra footage? I recently sold my
Laserdisc player and movies to buy a DVD. I haven't yet seen 2001 released
yet. I can't wait!

Bill Code
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From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Space Odyssey
Date: 17 Aug 1998 16:48:07 -0400

At 16:16 8/17/98 , you wrote:
>     When i watched the top 100 movies ever on tv, before i had claimed
>myself as the movie queen, because i had seen so many.  But I realized i
>really hadn't seen that many movies made before the 80s (I'm only 17).
>So i set off on my quest to see some of the top 100 that looked of
>interest.  I've seen probably 40 something of them now.

Danielle,
    Well, better late then never. ;)

>    What do you think was your favorite part?  Or how do you describe
>it?  I would love to hear anything you have to say on it!

Oh no, an open ended question.  :)  I admit that when I first watched it
about 10 years ago (I'm 24 now) I enjoyed the movie, yet didn't understand
all the complexities.  As I've watched it over the years, I've found more
and more complex images in it.
    First and foremost, why I enjoy the movie.  It is a FANTASTIC example of
how to create a movie experience that is extremely immersive.  The suspense
created throughout the entire movie is largely due to the "real-time"
experiences that the audience shares with the on-screen personas.  When we
are inside the suits as they approach the monolith on the Moon and hear
their breathing getting faster and faster... when we don't HEAR sound in
space (like other sci-fi movies do) ... when we experience the frustration
Dave has in space trying to capture his lost comrade ... when we watch,
eerily as HAL reads the crews lips... the utter silence as the crew health
modules are shut down and no one can stop it...  Just a few.
    Plus, as the story is told in the future, you don't just "get there" and
have a movie.  The AT&T phone call is delayed like in real life.  The
shuttle landing on the moon is slow, almost painfully... but oh so enjoyable.
    Some would say it is like an Opera in space.  I would agree only on the
surface.  Both an opera and 2001 are extremely enjoyable even if you don't
comprehend the meanings (opera is usually in another language, for
example).  But like opera, 2001 takes it's time -- which is WONDERFUL -- in
telling it's story.  There is nothing rushed.  And it leaves certain issues
for the viewer to resolve within themselves.  In 2001, you are left to
"understand" or "figure out" why the monoliths exist where they are at.
What each one does.

Anyway, I have more but that's enough for today -- work's almost over.  But
that's only the beginning of why I enjoy it.  Feel free to email directly
if you wish.

Cheers,
Ryan Allen
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From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Space Odyssey
Date: 17 Aug 1998 16:49:14 -0400

At 16:45 8/17/98 , you wrote:
>OOOOO... The Criterion! Is there much extra footage? I recently sold my
>Laserdisc player and movies to buy a DVD. I haven't yet seen 2001 released
>yet. I can't wait!

Bill,
    I can't forgive you for that!  I will keep a secret of the extra info...
until tomorrow.  DVD is a horrible consumer-technology (with future
potential). ACK! :)

Cheers,
Ryan
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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Space Odyssey
Date: 17 Aug 1998 17:22:14 -0600


>At 16:45 8/17/98 , you wrote:
>>OOOOO... The Criterion! Is there much extra footage? I recently sold my
>>Laserdisc player and movies to buy a DVD. I haven't yet seen 2001 released
>>yet. I can't wait!
>
>Bill,
>    I can't forgive you for that!  I will keep a secret of the extra
>info...
>until tomorrow.  DVD is a horrible consumer-technology (with future
>potential). ACK! :)

Humble apologies...

How's this for an excuse! The new Macintosh line-up plays dvd's! I can
watch them at work now!

Cheers!

Bill Code
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From: "gwen le couster" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Favor
Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:40:03 PDT

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From: Blacknight <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Cont. Movie Quiz
Date: 18 Aug 1998 11:46:18 +0800

Hello Everyone,

This is concerning the movie quiz I sent to the list a couple of months
ago. There are still three lines that have not been identified, so
kindly help us on these.

15. "I've never loved anybody this way. Never looked at a woman and
thought, if civilization fails, if the world ends, I'll understand what
God meant."

21. "A woman should never learn to sew, and if she does know how, she
shouldn't admit to it."

68. "I'm as serious as a heart attack."


Thanks,
Blacknight


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From: Michael Allen Jr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Cont. Movie Quiz
Date: 17 Aug 1998 23:57:35 -0400

15. For some reason water world comes up in my mind .. maybe Kevin Costner
said it... i don't know.

not sure about the rest either...

Mike Allen (aka Dahrin)

Blacknight wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> This is concerning the movie quiz I sent to the list a couple of months
> ago. There are still three lines that have not been identified, so
> kindly help us on these.
>
> 15. "I've never loved anybody this way. Never looked at a woman and
> thought, if civilization fails, if the world ends, I'll understand what
> God meant."
>
> 21. "A woman should never learn to sew, and if she does know how, she
> shouldn't admit to it."
>
> 68. "I'm as serious as a heart attack."
>
> Thanks,
> Blacknight
>
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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Cont. Movie Quiz
Date: 17 Aug 1998 23:58:37 -0400

At 11.46 AM 18/08/98 +0800, Blacknight wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
>This is concerning the movie quiz I sent to the list a couple of months
>ago. There are still three lines that have not been identified, so
>kindly help us on these.

>68. "I'm as serious as a heart attack."

Isn't this from Volcano??  Either Anne Heche's character says this to Tommy
Lee Jones' character, or vice versa.

Regards,

--Mel


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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Favor
Date: 18 Aug 1998 00:42:41 -0400

Thomas,

 You rock, and you are not even out of character. But here is a reminder
to us all.............. We have to help those people who CAN'T READ. I
am willing to set up a fund for this person to take reading classes.
After all it is the least any of us can do to help this "poor
unfortunate soul". Maybe then credit will be given where credit is due!!

 ROLL 'EM

Megan

>----------
>From:     greuel[SMTP:[e-mail]]
>Sent:     Monday, August 17, 1998 9:00 AM
>To:     choquette; [e-mail]
>Subject:     Re: [MV] Favor
>
>
>
>> How did you get removed?  I have been trying to get removed from
>> this fucking list for a year now.  Please help me!!!  I am so sick
>> and tired of hearing people whinning abput the movies that they have
>> seen and disliked.  Noone has anything good to say about anything.
>> "There's something about Mary" is one of the funniest movies I have
>> ever seen.  "Saving Private Ryan" is one of the best, most graphic
>> movies I have seen.  "The Mask of Zorro" is a very light hearted
>> comedy for the whole family.  "Ever After" if a Romantic story that
>> everyone will love. Anyone that has anything else to say about these
>> movies can fuck off and kiss my ass.  So Fuck You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!GET
>> Me OFF OF YOUR MAILING LIST "CAUSE I HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY!!!
>> FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!!!!!!!  i DON'T WANT OT BE ON YOUR MAILING
>> LIST ANYMORE.  Don't you get it.  I want eeryone to personaly take me
>> off their list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE
>> UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE
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>
>Wow, what a brilliant statement! You should be taken into the
>Movies-list hall of fame. It's smart assholes like us that take great fun in
>posts like yours. Let's hope you never discover the secret message on
>the bottom of every mail. If you are a really good choquette, we can
>put you on more lists, maybe some with higher traffic.
>
>Thank you for making my day,
>
>you are so funny
>
>oh,  and keep posting!
>
>thomas
>
>
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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Who said it?
Date: 18 Aug 1998 00:48:12 -0400

 I figured it was from Bill Clinton, but you know Americans are not all
that bad. So it is ALL GOOD!

Thanks,
Megan

> ----------
> From:     [e-mail][SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:     Sunday, August 16, 1998 7:15 PM
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     Re: [MV] Who said it?
>
> In a message dated 98-08-13 01:25:38 EDT, you write:
>
> << The line is " I want the truth" Reply " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH"
>
>   is this from a few good men???  >>
>
> No, it's from Bill Clinton's testimony before the Grand Jury. If you
> did not
> catch it that time, he will repeat it in his televised address to the
> nation.
> Although all of the American television networks will broadcast it,
> tune in to
> CBS to see BS (Bill speak).
>
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From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Cont. Movie Quiz
Date: 18 Aug 1998 07:32:24 +0100


-----Original Message-----


>Hello Everyone,
>
>This is concerning the movie quiz I sent to the list a couple of months
>ago. There are still three lines that have not been identified, so
>kindly help us on these.
>
>15. "I've never loved anybody this way. Never looked at a woman and
>thought, if civilization fails, if the world ends, I'll understand what
>God meant."


I'm positive this is Andy Garcia, from 'When A Man Loves A Woman' with Meg
Ryan.

>21. "A woman should never learn to sew, and if she does know how, she
>shouldn't admit to it."
>
>68. "I'm as serious as a heart attack."


Not 100% but I think that Anne Heche's character in 'Volcano' used this line
to Tommy Lee Jones - it's been used before though.
>
>Thanks,
>Blacknight
>
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From: Diane Christy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Favor
Date: 18 Aug 1998 09:37:39 -0500

On 8/17/98, 10:40 PM -0500, gwen le couster said so nicely:
>unsubscribe movies
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You can't unsub this way.  You need to send an e-mail to
<[e-mail]> with "unsubscribe movies" in the subject.  You
can't unsub by sending commands to the list!!
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Cont. Movie Quiz
Date: 18 Aug 1998 08:48:33 -0700



> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Blacknight [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Monday, August 17, 1998 8:46 PM
> To:    Movies Mailing List
> Subject:    [MV] Cont. Movie Quiz
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> This is concerning the movie quiz I sent to the list a couple of months
> ago. There are still three lines that have not been identified, so
> kindly help us on these.
>
> 15. "I've never loved anybody this way. Never looked at a woman and
> thought, if civilization fails, if the world ends, I'll understand what
> God meant." [Romero, Leticia]   When A Man Loves A Woman
>
> 21. "A woman should never learn to sew, and if she does know how, she
> shouldn't admit to it." [Romero, Leticia]   Enchanted April
>
> 68. "I'm as serious as a heart attack." [Romero, Leticia]   Volcano (you
> were right!)
>
>
> Thanks,
> Blacknight
>
>
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From: Diane Christy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Favor
Date: 18 Aug 1998 12:11:33 -0500

On 8/18/98, 9:37 AM -0500, Diane Christy said so nicely:
>You can't unsub this way.  You need to send an e-mail to
><[e-mail]> with "unsubscribe movies" in the subject.  You
>can't unsub by sending commands to the list!!

Boy do I feel stupid.  Not in the subject, in the body of the message.
Sorry for the mistake.
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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/18/98
Date: 18 Aug 1998 14:39:37 -0600 (MDT)

Mel Gibson, who's coming off the summer hit "Lethal Weapon
4," is in talks to star in an adaptation of the Charles
Dickens novel of the French Revolution, "A Tale of Two
Cities." Variety says Gibson has been looking for a picture
to star in since deciding to delay production of the Ray
Bradbury novel "Fahrenheit 451" until May. But his
negotiations with Warner Bros., where "Tale" is set up, hit
an unspecified snag early last week, and Gibson could
conceivably walk away from the film. On the other hand,
Gibson reportedly has been interested in the Dickens tale
for some time, and he fitted comfortably into period pieces
"Braveheart" and "Hamlet."


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From: Garrett Winters <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 00:03:09 +0100

>
Maryann Johanson writes
>> There are no rule books that say a movie has to have a plot, in fact some
>> of moviedoms most succesful films have had no plot to speak of( I won't
>> quote which ones but if you don't know the ones I mean think Lucas,
>> Allen, Cameron)
>
>Please enlighten us as to which successful Cameron and Lucas movies had no
>plot.
 Well off the top of my head I'd say Aliens, Star Wars, and T2 were all
effects heavy and plot light. They stunned us and so didn't need much of
a story.
Garrett

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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 18 Aug 1998 23:58:38 -0400

At 12.03 AM 19/08/98 +0100, Garrett Winters wrote:
>>Please enlighten us as to which successful Cameron and Lucas movies had no
>>plot.
> Well off the top of my head I'd say Aliens, Star Wars, and T2 were all
>effects heavy and plot light. They stunned us and so didn't need much of
>a story.

Excuse me.  Star Wars??  You mean the modern-day myth/fairy tale that has
already become a classic??  The battle of good v evil, the Princess, the
lovable but gruff hero, or to be more precise, HERO, the boy becoming a
man, the entire Old Testament riff on the Clone Wars and the Force, the
entire Odipal (forgive the spelling) relationship of Luke with his father,
the Laural and Hardy act of the driods, AND the voice of God (or at least
James Earl Jones)??

Are you sure that we saw the same movie??

Sure, there are arguments to be made against it.  Primary is that it ripped
off every major war movie (esp the battles, which were modeled on
Hollywood's take of WWII dogfights), as well as every fairy tale that we
heard growing up.  However, that is the charm of this movie.  It takes us
back to our youth.

The one thing that you cannot say about this movie is that it has no plot.
And when compared to anything recent, it is a shining jewel of what our
dreams could be like.

As the recent riff on the Godzilla marketing campaign goes (which I have
set as wallpaper on my computer, and which is rumoured to have gotten
someone at LucasFilm in heaps of trouble):

PLOT DOES MATTER.
STAR WARS 1
MAY 1999

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From: Michael Allen Jr <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 00:38:49 -0400



Mel Eperthener wrote:

> Excuse me.  Star Wars??  You mean the modern-day myth/fairy tale that has
> already become a classic??  The battle of good v evil, the Princess, the
> lovable but gruff hero, or to be more precise, HERO, the boy becoming a
> man, the entire Old Testament riff on the Clone Wars and the Force, the
> entire Odipal (forgive the spelling) relationship of Luke with his father,
> the Laural and Hardy act of the driods, AND the voice of God (or at least
> James Earl Jones)??
>
> Are you sure that we saw the same movie??
>
> Sure, there are arguments to be made against it.  Primary is that it ripped
> off every major war movie (esp the battles, which were modeled on
> Hollywood's take of WWII dogfights), as well as every fairy tale that we
> heard growing up.  However, that is the charm of this movie.  It takes us
> back to our youth.
>
> The one thing that you cannot say about this movie is that it has no plot.
> And when compared to anything recent, it is a shining jewel of what our
> dreams could be like.
>
> As the recent riff on the Godzilla marketing campaign goes (which I have
> set as wallpaper on my computer, and which is rumoured to have gotten
> someone at LucasFilm in heaps of trouble):
>
>

I would have said all of this, but he got to it first.  Star Wars is in my
opinion the best Sci-Fi space movie EVER.  Amen, hehe.


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From: Jason Cormier <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Cont. Movie Quiz
Date: 19 Aug 1998 01:18:38 -0700

I'm as serious as a heart attack - I do believe is from True Romance.


At 11:58 PM 8/17/1998 -0400, you wrote:
>At 11.46 AM 18/08/98 +0800, Blacknight wrote:
>>Hello Everyone,
>>
>>This is concerning the movie quiz I sent to the list a couple of months
>>ago. There are still three lines that have not been identified, so
>>kindly help us on these.
>
>>68. "I'm as serious as a heart attack."
>
>Isn't this from Volcano??  Either Anne Heche's character says this to Tommy
>Lee Jones' character, or vice versa.
>
>Regards,
>
>--Mel
>
>
>--Mel Eperthener
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From: Blacknight <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 13:27:59 +0800

Mel Eperthener wrote:

> The one thing that you cannot say about this movie is that it has no
> plot.
> And when compared to anything recent, it is a shining jewel of what
> our
> dreams could be like.

> PLOT DOES MATTER.
> STAR WARS 1
> MAY 1999
>

To those who say that Star Wars has no plot, try to read the book (from
Star Wars to Return of the Jedi). Maybe they are saying this because
they were pretty caught up in the Millenium Falcon trying to dodge its
enemies. I admit that sometimes all those FX makes you forget the story
or rather the epic of Luke Skywalker.

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From: manuel morrens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 10:42:55 +0200



> Mel Eperthener wrote:
>
> > Excuse me.  Star Wars??  You mean the modern-day myth/fairy tale that has
> > already become a classic??  The battle of good v evil, the Princess, the
> > lovable but gruff hero, or to be more precise, HERO, the boy becoming a
> > man, the entire Old Testament riff on the Clone Wars and the Force, the
> > entire Odipal (forgive the spelling) relationship of Luke with his father,
> > the Laural and Hardy act of the driods, AND the voice of God (or at least
> > James Earl Jones)??
> >
> > Are you sure that we saw the same movie??
> >
> > Sure, there are arguments to be made against it.  Primary is that it ripped
> > off every major war movie (esp the battles, which were modeled on
> > Hollywood's take of WWII dogfights), as well as every fairy tale that we
> > heard growing up.  However, that is the charm of this movie.  It takes us
> > back to our youth.
> >
> > The one thing that you cannot say about this movie is that it has no plot.
> > And when compared to anything recent, it is a shining jewel of what our
> > dreams could be like.
> >

Yeah,  ok Star Wars is a good movie and a classic  but that doesn't make it a
movie with a great plot...The movie is about good vs. evil...a bunch of guys
fighting against the evil forces that rule the world, or alien forces that want
to rule the world.....
If that's a movie with a plot, so is every movie ..sorry guys, but almost every
single science fiction movie has that story(e.g. ID4, Spawn, Conan, Stargate,
Superman, Starship Troopers, Total recall ...). If you are convinced that these
are all movies with a great plot..well ..ok that's your opinion  ..But what
makes star wars brilliant are the special effects which are still up to date in
'98 so they were pretty amazing in '77....
And they made the characters in Star Wars very human, so you can recognize
yourself in these heroes...
But in fact it's the same old bullshit as always.....
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From: "Fabien FOUGEROUX" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:01:15 +0200
Date: 19 Aug 1998 06:02:24 -0600

I'm a new comer and I wonder if I can ask questions about movies...
Anyway, here's my question:

I'd like to know if somebody saw or heard about "The city of angels" (I'm
not sure about the english title...). Someone told me it's a good movie but
I'm still undecided...

Thanks for your help!


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From: "Danielle Conkle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] city of angels
Date: 19 Aug 1998 05:08:14 PDT



>I'm a new comer and I wonder if I can ask questions about movies...
>Anyway, here's my question:
>
>I'd like to know if somebody saw or heard about "The city of angels"
(I'm
>not sure about the english title...). Someone told me it's a good movie
but
>I'm still undecided...
    I saw it and liked it, but i never saw the original.  Is that any
good?  The soundtrack for City of Angels is really good.

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Subject: Re: [MV] city of angels
Date: 19 Aug 1998 14:38:04 +0200

Danielle Conkle wrote:

> >I'm a new comer and I wonder if I can ask questions about movies...
> >Anyway, here's my question:
> >
> >I'd like to know if somebody saw or heard about "The city of angels"
> (I'm
> >not sure about the english title...). Someone told me it's a good movie
> but
> >I'm still undecided...
>     I saw it and liked it, but i never saw the original.  Is that any
> good?  The soundtrack for City of Angels is really good.
>
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 The movie is very good ...Maybe that's because I'm as well a hugh
Cage-fan  as a Ryan-fan ...so a movie with those two   I'm there baby!
No really, the movie is a brilliant... if you can handle romantic movies
it's a must see...
The story is touching and they both act very well. What else do you want?
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From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 08:49:14 -0400

At 19:03 8/18/98 , you wrote:
> Well off the top of my head I'd say Aliens, Star Wars, and T2 were all
>effects heavy and plot light. They stunned us and so didn't need much of
>a story.

I disagree.  Without reading other posts, let me give my two cents.  It is
said that in literature, there are only 12 (or close to it) true story
ideas or plots.  That every one since the dawn of time has dealt with one
of these twelve issues.
_Star Wars_ was a great story.  Classic good vs. evil.  A true HERO story,
in which the hero must face a personal decision, leave his home, on this
personal quest, grow, and return home to win the day.  Thus achieving hero
status.  Classic story, good vs. evil plot.  The effects were great for the
time (and still are for some versions), which enhanced the story.
_Aliens_ was another great story.  But it really depends on which version
you see.  I'll talk about the non-Special Edition one.  This was a survival
story.  Man vs. nature (the force that created the Alien).  Ripley, the
only surviving member of the original mission is asked to return to deep
space to discover what happened to this colony on the Alien planet.  Torn
between the hated of the company, her decision to never return to that
wastehole planet, and her utter lack of self-confidence in defeating the
alien, she wants a sense of closure.  So grudgingly she returns with a
promise that they are going to kill the aliens (unlike the first movie,
where the company wanted to bring one back for testing).  Self-assured at
that, she returns.  Classic cat and mouse game with some really great tension.
_T2_ was a great sci-fi movie and interesting fiction story (I mean imagine
if it was true, that computers took over).  But if you don't buy into the
Terminator universe story line, then you won't think it's much of a story.
But it is.  Another example of good vs. evil (a trait throughout ALL
Cameron films).  Only this time, good is now the Terminator and evil is the
corporate that creates the future chip.  The special effects in this movie
were great (except the police car scene and when the guy launches off the
semi when it crashes), but that doesn't discount from the story line.
Which I can see isn't that interesting if you don't like violence (but how
many people did we see REALLY get killed) or don't enjoy the Terminator
universe.

Oh well, just my two cents.

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Subject: Re: [MV] city of angels
Date: 19 Aug 1998 09:29:40 EDT

I wan not as wild for it as you folks.

City of Angels

This story of an angel and a human woman is one to see with a romantic
partner.  For the most part sedate, it builds to an end that will leave you
rejoicing in the life that you have.

For the longest while, it bored me silly.  I could not understand why Nicholas
Cage would choose to portray an angel as such an uninteresting waste of time.

Meg Ryan, as well, made me feel as if I couldn't care less.  Her character, a
doctor, seemed to be barely there.

Then along came a crisis.  Things quickened and became much more interesting.

Then along came Dennis Franz.  Subsequently, the movie snapped, crackled, and
popped.

What had been uninteresting, became an interesting time at the movies.


Buzzy

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From: manuel morrens <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:21:18 +0200


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Ryan Allen wrote:

> I disagree.  Without reading other posts, let me give my two cents.  It is
> said that in literature, there are only 12 (or close to it) true story
> ideas or plots.  That every one since the dawn of time has dealt with one
> of these twelve issues.
> _Star Wars_ was a great story.  Classic good vs. evil.  A true HERO story,
> in which the hero must face a personal decision, leave his home, on this
> personal quest, grow, and return home to win the day.  Thus achieving hero
> status.  Classic story, good vs. evil plot.  The effects were great for the
> time (and still are for some versions), which enhanced the story.
> _Aliens_ was another great story.  But it really depends on which version
> you see.  I'll talk about the non-Special Edition one.  This was a survival
> story.  Man vs. nature (the force that created the Alien).  Ripley, the
> only surviving member of the original mission is asked to return to deep
> space to discover what happened to this colony on the Alien planet.  Torn
> between the hated of the company, her decision to never return to that
> wastehole planet, and her utter lack of self-confidence in defeating the
> alien, she wants a sense of closure.  So grudgingly she returns with a
> promise that they are going to kill the aliens (unlike the first movie,
> where the company wanted to bring one back for testing).  Self-assured at
> that, she returns.  Classic cat and mouse game with some really great tension.
> _T2_ was a great sci-fi movie and interesting fiction story (I mean imagine
> if it was true, that computers took over).  But if you don't buy into the
> Terminator universe story line, then you won't think it's much of a story.
> But it is.  Another example of good vs. evil (a trait throughout ALL
> Cameron films).  Only this time, good is now the Terminator and evil is the
> corporate that creates the future chip.  The special effects in this movie
> were great (except the police car scene and when the guy launches off the
> semi when it crashes), but that doesn't discount from the story line.
> Which I can see isn't that interesting if you don't like violence (but how
> many people did we see REALLY get killed) or don't enjoy the Terminator
> universe.

Ok,  if you think all these movies have a great plot, name me one movie that
hasn't....

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Ryan Allen wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I disagree.  Without reading other posts, let
me give my two cents.  It is
<BR>said that in literature, there are only 12 (or close to it) true story
<BR>ideas or plots.  That every one since the dawn of time has dealt
with one
<BR>of these twelve issues.
<BR>_Star Wars_ was a great story.  Classic good vs. evil.  A
true HERO story,
<BR>in which the hero must face a personal decision, leave his home, on
this
<BR>personal quest, grow, and return home to win the day.  Thus achieving
hero
<BR>status.  Classic story, good vs. evil plot.  The effects
were great for the
<BR>time (and still are for some versions), which enhanced the story.
<BR>_Aliens_ was another great story.  But it really depends on which
version
<BR>you see.  I'll talk about the non-Special Edition one.  This
was a survival
<BR>story.  Man vs. nature (the force that created the Alien).
Ripley, the
<BR>only surviving member of the original mission is asked to return to
deep
<BR>space to discover what happened to this colony on the Alien planet.
Torn
<BR>between the hated of the company, her decision to never return to that
<BR>wastehole planet, and her utter lack of self-confidence in defeating
the
<BR>alien, she wants a sense of closure.  So grudgingly she returns
with a
<BR>promise that they are going to kill the aliens (unlike the first movie,
<BR>where the company wanted to bring one back for testing).  Self-assured
at
<BR>that, she returns.  Classic cat and mouse game with some really
great tension.
<BR>_T2_ was a great sci-fi movie and interesting fiction story (I mean
imagine
<BR>if it was true, that computers took over).  But if you don't buy
into the
<BR>Terminator universe story line, then you won't think it's much of a
story.
<BR>But it is.  Another example of good vs. evil (a trait throughout
ALL
<BR>Cameron films).  Only this time, good is now the Terminator and
evil is the
<BR>corporate that creates the future chip.  The special effects in
this movie
<BR>were great (except the police car scene and when the guy launches off
the
<BR>semi when it crashes), but that doesn't discount from the story line.
<BR>Which I can see isn't that interesting if you don't like violence (but
how
<BR>many people did we see REALLY get killed) or don't enjoy the Terminator
<BR>universe.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Ok,  if you think all these movies have a great plot, name me one
movie that hasn't....
<PRE>--
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From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:12:51 cet

> Yeah,  ok Star Wars is a good movie and a classic  but that doesn't make it a
> movie with a great plot...The movie is about good vs. evil...a bunch of guys
> fighting against the evil forces that rule the world, or alien forces that want
> to rule the world.....
> If that's a movie with a plot, so is every movie ..sorry guys, but almost every
> single science fiction movie has that story(e.g. ID4, Spawn, Conan, Stargate,
> Superman, Starship Troopers, Total recall ...). If you are convinced that these
> are all movies with a great plot..well ..ok that's your opinion  ..But what
> makes star wars brilliant are the special effects which are still up to date in
> '98 so they were pretty amazing in '77....
> And they made the characters in Star Wars very human, so you can recognize
> yourself in these heroes...
> But in fact it's the same old bullshit as always.....


Well, I understand were you are getting to. Star Wars is more of a
fairy tale than anything else. I'd say it's the best SF fairy tale I ever saw,
but fairy tales don't have heavy plots. I don't know which film you
would name with a better plot. Dune, I presume (wow that almost
rhymes). If so, yeah you are right. When I first saw it I didn't have a
clue what it was about, after reading Herbert's novel I thought the
guy must be a complete nutter that he is able to create such a vivid
universe, but let's face it. Dune bombed at the box offices. The
attraction of Star Wars is that it is a decent series, with FX that
contribute to the plot (other than all this stuff we been thrown at
lately where FX are the mere purpose) and a nice and easy story. Star
Wars doesn't leave you thinking very much, but it set standards for
decent SF entertainment that haven't been met in the last 20 years.
And to be honest there is no film I am looking forward to more than
episode one. I can smell that I'll be incredibly disappointed, but what
the heck.

thomas

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From: Sara Huffman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 07:53:07 -0700 (PDT)




On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, manuel morrens wrote:

>
>

> Yeah,  ok Star Wars is a good movie and a classic  but that doesn't make it a
> movie with a great plot...The movie is about good vs. evil...a bunch of guys
> fighting against the evil forces that rule the world, or alien forces that want
> to rule the world.....
> If that's a movie with a plot, so is every movie ..sorry guys, but almost every
> single science fiction movie has that story(e.g. ID4, Spawn, Conan, Stargate,
> Superman, Starship Troopers, Total recall ...)...
> Manuel Morrens                  [e-mail]
> Department of Medicine          http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties
> Brussels Free University        (lyrics of the eighties)
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Good vs. Evil is not a plot--it is a theme.  Star Wars is much more than
a theme--it has a plot that has continued to develop through three movies
and no doubt will continue to develop through three more.  It was part
of a continuing story that is complex and does not rely simply on special
effects to make it work.

--just my two cents
        --Sara

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Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:31:02 -0400

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At 10:21 8/19/98 , you wrote:

>
> Ok,  if you think all these movies have a great plot, name me one movie that
> hasn't.... </blockquote>> </pre><font size=1>Manuel,<br>>
<x-tab>        </x-tab>Don't be so
focused on the plot that the story gets lost.  The plot is a simple
objevtive.  In any movie, the plot it EXTREMELY simple.  To
discuss only a plot line of a movie, without the surrounding story, can
sometimes be useless.  Examples:<br>> <br>> _Star Wars_ - Plot: defeat
darth vader and in the process destroy the death star.<br>> _T2_ - Plot:
Keep John Conner from being killed.<br>> _Aliens_ - Plot: Discover why the
colony has lost contact.<br>> <br>>
<x-tab>        </x-tab>There are
movies that have poor plots and sometimes have good stories, and vise
versa.  Some examples:<br>> <br>> _The Devil's Own_ - plot: IRA agent
wants revenge for his father's death so many years ago.  Poor
story.<br>> _Star Trek V_ - plot: determine why colony has lost contact,
new villian wants to find God.  Poor story, bad effect (could've been
better)<br>> _ST: Generations_ - plot: (too many) stop Dr. Soran from
destroying a star so he can reenter energy wave.  Decent story (better
as an episode).<br>> <br>> There are so many movies over the year that have
had poor plots (the entire Home Alone series comes to mind) that I've
forgotten.  But my point is that plots and the surrounding story often
go hand in hand.  Sometimes good and good, bad and good, & bad and
bad.  But to single out only a plot and critizise it without cause is
not a smart move.<br>> <br>> Sincerely,<br>> Ryan</font><br>> <div>Intranet
Specialist</div>> <div>Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)</div>> <div>Allen
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</pre><font
size=1>Manuel,<br><x-tab>        </x
-tab>Don't be so focused on the plot that the story gets lost.  The
plot is a simple objevtive.  In any movie, the plot it EXTREMELY
simple.  To discuss only a plot line of a movie, without the
surrounding story, can sometimes be useless.  Examples:<br><br>_Star
Wars_ - Plot: defeat darth vader and in the process destroy the death
star.<br>_T2_ - Plot: Keep John Conner from being killed.<br>_Aliens_ -
Plot: Discover why the colony has lost
contact.<br><br><x-tab>        </x-t
ab>There are movies that have poor plots and sometimes have good stories,
and vise versa.  Some examples:<br><br>_The Devil's Own_ - plot: IRA
agent wants revenge for his father's death so many years ago.  Poor
story.<br>_Star Trek V_ - plot: determine why colony has lost contact, new
villian wants to find God.  Poor story, bad effect (could've been
better)<br>_ST: Generations_ - plot: (too many) stop Dr. Soran from
destroying a star so he can reenter energy wave.  Decent story (better
as an episode).<br><br>There are so many movies over the year that have had
poor plots (the entire Home Alone series comes to mind) that I've
forgotten.  But my point is that plots and the surrounding story often
go hand in hand.  Sometimes good and good, bad and good, & bad and
bad.  But to single out only a plot and critizise it without cause is
not a smart move.<br><br>Sincerely,<br>Ryan</font><br><div>Intranet
Specialist</div><div>Intranet Development Team (IDTeam)</div><div>Allen
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##</html>Manuel,
        Don't be so focused on the plot that the story gets lost.  The plot
is a
simple objevtive.  In any movie, the plot it EXTREMELY simple.  To discuss
only
a plot line of a movie, without the surrounding story, can sometimes be
useless.  Examples:

_Star Wars_ - Plot: defeat darth vader and in the process destroy the death
star.
_T2_ - Plot: Keep John Conner from being killed.
_Aliens_ - Plot: Discover why the colony has lost contact.

        There are movies that have poor plots and sometimes have good stories,
and vise versa.  Some examples:

_The Devil's Own_ - plot: IRA agent wants revenge for his father's death so
many years ago.  Poor story.
_Star Trek V_ - plot: determine why colony has lost contact, new villian wants
to find God.  Poor story, bad effect (could've been better)
_ST: Generations_ - plot: (too many) stop Dr. Soran from destroying a star so
he can reenter energy wave.  Decent story (better as an episode).

There are so many movies over the year that have had poor plots (the entire
Home Alone series comes to mind) that I've forgotten.  But my point is that
plots and the surrounding story often go hand in hand.  Sometimes good and
good, bad and good, & bad and bad.  But to single out only a plot and
critizise
it without cause is not a smart move.

Sincerely,
Ryan
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At 10:21 8/19/98 , you wrote: <br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Ok,  if you think all these movies have a
great plot, name me one movie that hasn't.... <pre></blockquote>
</pre><font size=1>Manuel,<br>
<x-tab>        </x-tab>Don't be
so focused on the plot that the story gets lost.  The plot is a
simple objevtive.  In any movie, the plot it EXTREMELY simple.
To discuss only a plot line of a movie, without the surrounding story,
can sometimes be useless.  Examples:<br>
<br>
_Star Wars_ - Plot: defeat darth vader and in the process destroy the
death star.<br>
_T2_ - Plot: Keep John Conner from being killed.<br>
_Aliens_ - Plot: Discover why the colony has lost contact.<br>
<br>
<x-tab>        </x-tab>There are
movies that have poor plots and sometimes have good stories, and vise
versa.  Some examples:<br>
<br>
_The Devil's Own_ - plot: IRA agent wants revenge for his father's death
so many years ago.  Poor story.<br>
_Star Trek V_ - plot: determine why colony has lost contact, new villian
wants to find God.  Poor story, bad effect (could've been
better)<br>
_ST: Generations_ - plot: (too many) stop Dr. Soran from destroying a
star so he can reenter energy wave.  Decent story (better as an
episode).<br>
<br>
There are so many movies over the year that have had poor plots (the
entire Home Alone series comes to mind) that I've forgotten.  But my
point is that plots and the surrounding story often go hand in
hand.  Sometimes good and good, bad and good, & bad and
bad.  But to single out only a plot and critizise it without cause
is not a smart move.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
Ryan</font><br>
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From: [e-mail] (Ryan Allen)
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:34:31 -0400

At 10:53 8/19/98 , you wrote:
>Good vs. Evil is not a plot--it is a theme.  Star Wars is much more than
>a theme--it has a plot that has continued to develop through three movies
>and no doubt will continue to develop through three more.  It was part
>of a continuing story that is complex and does not rely simply on special
>effects to make it work.

Good point Sara, and my apologies to all if I wasn't more clear earlier.
The 12 stories I was referring to earlier were in fact THEMES.  Good vs.
Evil, Man vs. Nature, all themes.  The plot and storyline are what are
often convincing.

Oh, and Twister, another example.  Themes (2): Man vs. Nature, Man vs. Man.
 Plot: launch theoretical bulbs into a tornado.  Not a strong one, but a
decent story.

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From: MaryAnn Johanson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:37:36 -0400

Garrett Winters wrote:

>  Well off the top of my head I'd say Aliens, Star Wars, and T2 were all
> effects heavy and plot light. They stunned us and so didn't need much of
> a story.
> Garrett

Wow! That's the first time I've ever heard Star Wars descibed as "plot light."
Star Wars is a classic hero's journey story with plot that's always in motion.
Did you see the same movie the rest of us did?

Aliens and T2 may not have complex plots, but I think their stories do each
move along at a nice clip.

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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:01:15 +0200
Date: 19 Aug 1998 08:44:42 -0700

City of Angels: good movie -- Wings of Desire: EXCELLENT MOVIE!  I highly
recommend the Original!!

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> Anyway, here's my question:
>
> I'd like to know if somebody saw or heard about "The city of angels" (I'm
> not sure about the english title...). Someone told me it's a good movie
> but
> I'm still undecided...
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> Thanks for your help!
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Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 12:09:25 EDT

I personally love star wars, and it did have a plot. One movie that didn't
have a GOOD plot was Mafia. Every movie has a plot, it is just whether or not
it is interesting and good. If Star Wars didn't have a plot, nobody would like
it. Well, that's my opinion at least....

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Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 09:16:20 PDT

>Oh, and Twister, another example.  Themes (2): Man vs. Nature, Man >vs.
Man.
> Plot: launch theoretical bulbs into a tornado.  Not a strong one, >but
a
>decent story.
    A decent story?  I think Twister would be a good example of a movie
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Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 13:13:19 -0400

At 12:16 8/19/98 , you wrote:
>>Oh, and Twister, another example.  Themes (2): Man vs. Nature, Man >vs.
>Man.
>> Plot: launch theoretical bulbs into a tornado.  Not a strong one, >but
>a
>>decent story.
>    A decent story?  I think Twister would be a good example of a movie
>living completely on special affects and almost no plot whatsoever.
>

Yes, decent.  Not good, not great.  But I wouldn't say it's as bad as
Ishtar.  The plot was thin, but the story (man vs. man, man vs. nature) was
OK.  Maybe I should have used OK.  Twister is a good example of a thin plot
and OK storyline covered in gobs of special effects.

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From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 19 Aug 1998 18:48:38 +0100

Actually the PLOT in Twister was okay - the actual writing (dialogue,
direction) left a lot to be desired. The problem with most Hollywood
plots/storylines is that they can't just have the 'good' scientists trying
to do something with Nature - there has to be conflict in the form of some
'bad' scientists (or just baddies) to continually screw them up - this is
where Twister got so gloopy. But personally I think that the writer and/or
director wanted both the character-driven story (Hunt and Paxton
rediscovering each other) and the tornado-driven story (c'mon, c'mon, show
us an F5!!! AND the damage afterward!) at the same time and as result didn't
manage either satisfactorily. The theme should have been 'Man vs Nature' but
because of sloppy writing and/or direction it couldn't decide between 'Man
vs Nature', 'Man vs Man' or 'Love Reclaimed Against All Odds!'

Ho hum ...
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>>>Oh, and Twister, another example.  Themes (2): Man vs. Nature, Man >vs.
>>Man.
>>> Plot: launch theoretical bulbs into a tornado.  Not a strong one, >but
>>a
>>>decent story.
>>    A decent story?  I think Twister would be a good example of a movie
>>living completely on special affects and almost no plot whatsoever.
>>
>
>Yes, decent.  Not good, not great.  But I wouldn't say it's as bad as
>Ishtar.  The plot was thin, but the story (man vs. man, man vs. nature) was
>OK.  Maybe I should have used OK.  Twister is a good example of a thin plot
>and OK storyline covered in gobs of special effects.
>
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Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/19/98
Date: 19 Aug 1998 14:11:12 -0600 (MDT)

"Armageddon" launched into the record books over the weekend as Buena
Vista's top-grossing live-action film with a 47-day total of $180
million. The summer blockbuster, which stars Bruce Willis, broke an
eight year record of the distributor for the Walt Disney Co. shooting
past "Pretty Woman," which collected $178.4 million in 1990. Buena
Vista has historically enjoyed stronger performances from its
animation division. Its all-time highest-grossing film is "The Lion
King" (1994), with boxoffice receipts totaling $312.8 million. The
animated adventure is the sixth-highest-grossing release ever in
North America and has collected $455 million in international
boxoffice for a worldwide total of $767.8 million. "Aladdin" (1992)
is the studio's second-highest-grossing film with $217.3 million.

                        -=> * <=-

Fred Dryer's career has been idling since "Hunter" went off
the air in 1991, but don't tell that to the Chinese. Dryer
is going to be the guest of honor at the fourth Chinese Film
Festival starting Aug. 23. "From what they've told me, I am
the biggest American star in China," Dryer told Variety,
"and when they tell you there are 1.3 billion people who
think you're the biggest star in the world, you say you're
going." The popularity of his old cop show abroad has Dryer
working on a "Hunter" movie that he says would be shot
primarily in China for about $5 million.

                        -=> * <=-

Celine Dion says "My Heart Will Go On," her Oscar-winning
song from "Titanic," was a one-take wonder. The version on
the soundtrack was intended to be a demo, but it turned out
so well that it didn't need to be recorded again.
"Technically, I could have done it better, but emotionally
it was there," Dion told the Boston Globe. "Everybody was
crying [in the studio], and I think there's something good
in that." Twenty-five million copies of the soundtrack have
been sold, making it the all-time top seller in the
soundtrack category.

                        -=> * <=-

In other news of "Titanic," James Cameron and 20th Century
Fox have put together a package of souvenirs from the movie
to be auctioned off Oct. 23 at the annual Carousel of Hope
fund-raiser. The items include a crew jacket, T-shirt,
baseball cap, CD, video, a Cameron-signed "Titanic" book and
a signed photo of Leonardo DiCaprio taken on the set. Celine
Dion will perform at the event, to benefit the Barbara Davis
Center for Childhood Diabetes.

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Subject: [MV] REVIEW: BLADE
Date: 19 Aug 1998 17:04:02 -0600 (MDT)

BLADE
(New Line)
Starring:  Wesley Snipes, Stephen Dorff, Kris Kristofferson, N'Bushe
Wright, Donal Logue.
Screenplay:  David S. Goyer, based on the character published by Marvel
Comics.
Producers:  Peter Frankfurt, Wesley Snipes and Robert Engelman.
Director:  Stephen Norrington.
MPAA Rating:  R (violence, gore, profanity, adult themes)
Running Time:  118 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

     BLADE is a comic book adaptation, which in recent years has meant you
could expect one of two approaches:  brooding and violent (THE CROW,
SPAWN) or gaudy and hyper-kinetic (BATMAN AND ROBIN, THE MASK, TANK GIRL).
BLADE is no exception...sort of.  Instead of choosing one familiar path or
the other, the makers of BLADE have chosen both -- it's brooding, gaudy,
violent _and_ hyper-kinetic.  The surprising good news is that it comes
impressively close to succeeding at both.  The bad news is that means it
doesn't entirely succeed at either one.

     The premise alone is intriguing enough to give it a fair shot.  In a
prologue set thirty years ago, we see a woman dying from a vampire attack
just as she gives birth to a son.  Flash forward to the present day, where
that son has grown up to be Blade (Wesley Snipes), a hybrid with all the
strength of a vampire but none of the weaknesses -- he can walk in
daylight with impunity, eat a pizza with extra garlic, and so on.  That
makes him ideally suited for his vocation as vampire hunter, which he and
his weapons guru/mentor Whistler (Kris Kristofferson) carry out with
extreme prejudice.  His latest challenge is a young upstart named Deacon
Frost (Stephen Dorff, the poor man's Kevin Bacon), who plans to unleash
some sort of vampiric armageddon upon humanity unless Blade can cut him
down to size first.

     All right, the latter portion doesn't qualify as any sort of
intriguing.  It's more in that gaudy and hyper-kinetic category, a
climactic conclusion to two hours of punishing, extremely sanguine action.
It's also extremely effective action, directed by former special effects
make-up artist Stephen Norrington at the kind of blistering pace generally
associated with Jackie Chan films.  Make no mistake, BLADE _moves_, with
dynamic fight sequences and a parade of gruesome special effects --
exploding vampire heads, disintegrating vampire bodies, vampire skeletons
crawling out of their skins.  With Snipes anchoring the action as the
chiseled anti-hero, BLADE's frenzied, over-the-top battles offer plenty of
visceral thrills.

     Of course, it has to pause every once in a while for exposition,
which usually is where films of this kind collapse into a puddle of
stupidity.  BLADE, on the other hand, teases with provocative concepts
that ultimately go nowhere.  The tormented hero is nothing new in the
modern "graphic novel" comic book milieu, but BLADE adds the notion of our
protagonist as (in Deacon's words) a vampire Uncle Tom, trying to pass
himself off as human because he's uncomfortable with his vampire lineage.
There are more hints of vampires as a persecuted minority in scenes of a
vampire council discussing how they have struck bargains with humans for
their mutual survival.  When the militant Deacon rejects the assimilation
tactics of his elders in favor of "vampire power," it could have been the
basis for more complex themes than you'd ever expect from a comic book
thriller.  Is Blade, for all his righteous wrath, merely engaging in a
sort of "ethnic cleansing?"  Could Deacon just be firing up a "we're here,
we're vampires, get used to it" civil rights movement?

     Interesting questions, if anyone had bothered to ask them.
Unfortunately, the politics of vampirism quickly gives way to simple,
rapid-fire good guy vs. bad guy stuff.  There's a token pseudo-romantic
interest (N'Bushe Wright), a thick-headed henchman (Donal Logue), and a
villain whose only distinguishing characteristic is his villainy.  BLADE
keeps setting you up to expect that the sub-text is going to matter
somehow, then always bails out for another round of spinning back-kicks
and shotgun blasts.  I suppose you could take a glass-half-full view and
applaud both the quality of the action and the mere attempt to give depth
to the viscera.  There's just too much viscera, and not enough depth, to
take that attempt seriously.  It's an exciting under-achiever -- to
brooding to be pure gaudy fun, to gaudy to let its brooding go anywhere
interesting.

     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 double-edged blades:  5.

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From: Blacknight <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:01:15 +0200
Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:52:07 +0800

Fabien FOUGEROUX wrote:

> I'm a new comer and I wonder if I can ask questions about movies...
> Anyway, here's my question:
>
> I'd like to know if somebody saw or heard about "The city of angels"
> (I'm
> not sure about the english title...). Someone told me it's a good
> movie but
> I'm still undecided...
>

    I saw City of Angels about two months ago. I can't say it is one of
the best movies that I have seen. Eventhough I am a fan of Nicholas Cage
since FaceOff and Meg Ryan since Sleepless in Seattle, all I can give is
an OK rating.
    The story of the movie was a bit ordinary but what I really liked
was the concept of the angels. I don't think I have read or knew before
about angels wearing black, hanging out at the library, listening to
God's music during sunrise, silently intervening on people's lives
during moments of conflict and waiting for people to die at operating
rooms. These were all new to me, it literally took my breath away. I
guess we were pretty brought up with stories of angels having halos and
wearing flowing dresses, the idea presented in the movie was quite
refreshing though I am not sure if the movie was the first one to
introduce this idea. I have to admit that when I was watching the movie,
I was really very unhappy. I ended up crying buckets of tears that were
totally unrelated to the movie. There were scenes that I loved, like
when Seth threw himself off the building, when a child waved to the
black angel, when the angels would line up on the beach to hear God's
music.
    As for the story, almost everything fell down. I simply did not like
Meg Ryan's character, I wonder how could an angel fall in love with her.
Her character was poorly written, it could have been improved, given
more depth. As for Seth, I simply could not feel anything for him except
when he has that deep look in his eyes.
    I guess the movie was too engrossed in the visuals and all those
varying shades of color. I myself was constantly trying to hear the
music. What really sent me to nirvana was hearing the strains of U2's
"If God Would Send His Angels" when Nicholas Cage and Dennis Franz were
talking in the diner. The song that I liked best in the soundtrack was
Goo Goo Dolls "Iris". I liked the instrumental pieces in the soundtrack,
in fact a friend of mine said that it was like someone died.
    The best line from the movie would be "I would rather have had one
breath of her hair, one kiss from
  her mouth, one touch of her hand, than eternity without it. One."

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Subject: [MV] City of angels
Date: 19 Aug 1998 18:46:30 PDT

   The part i liked the most about City of Angels, was when Meg Ryan was
trying to get her (boyfriend?) to just look at her.....like the way Cage
looked at her.  Cage really did have this amazing look, with these big
blue eyes.  It seemed so penetrating.


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From: Jayson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 14:01:15 +0200
Date: 20 Aug 1998 10:42:24 +0800 (HKT)

On Wed, 19 Aug 1998, Fabien FOUGEROUX wrote:

> I'm a new comer and I wonder if I can ask questions about movies...
> Anyway, here's my question:
>
> I'd like to know if somebody saw or heard about "The city of angels" (I'm
> not sure about the english title...). Someone told me it's a good movie but
> I'm still undecided...
>

It's "City of Angels" starring Nicholas Cage and Meg Ryan and it's
uhm...okay.

Jayson
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I've been down this road walkin' the line
That's painted by pride
And I have made mistakes in my life
That I just can't hide
Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
I've been searching my soul tonight
I know there's so much more to life
Now I know I can shine a light
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Subject: [MV] Movieman Hiatus
Date: 20 Aug 1998 02:13:31 -0700

Sorry everyone...Movieman is going on holiday!  He'll be away till the end
of August.  I know you'll miss him and his witty reviews of all the current
movies but fear not my fickle friends as he will return unscathed and
totally intact.  Maybe this journey will be for the better - only time will
tell. Until then may you see only good movies.
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Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/20/98
Date: 20 Aug 1998 16:05:14 -0600 (MDT)

DreamWorks has acquired the English-language remake rights to the hit
French comedy "Le Diner de Cons." The picture focuses on a wealthy
Paris publisher and his friends, who every Wednesday night try to
outdo one another by bringing the most flagrantly idiotic person they
can find to join them for dinner. When the publisher invites an
accountant whom he thinks is a complete nincompoop, he finds himself
at the mercy of the troubles the guest causes. The film is riding
high at the French box office with ticket sales of $44 million to
date.

                        -=> * <=-

Steven Spielberg's "Small Soldiers" hardly electrified summer movie
audiences, but the film has sparks flying at the Idaho Power Company.
In the feature by Spielberg's studio DreamWorks, a teen-age character
kills a mutant toy soldier by shorting out two distribution
transformers mounted on a utility pole. Idaho Power, horrified by the
high-voltage cinematic antics, blew its fuse in the company's weekly
newsletter Wednesday. "We've worked for years to educate kids and
their parents about the inherent danger of electricity," said Larry
Darling, manager of safety and security at the utility. "And now,
Hollywood is depicting power poles as jungle gyms."

                        -=> * <=-

A Minnesota teen-ager who claimed he didn't know what a veteran was
served part of his sentence for vandalizing a veteran's park:
watching the movie "Saving Private Ryan." Last week, Judge Dennis
Challeen sentenced Roger Bendickson, 18, to watch the film for
vandalizing Veterans Memorial Park on July 4. Bendickson also was
ordered to repay his share of $296 in damages, perform 20 hours of
community service and stay out of trouble for one year or face 90
days in jail. Dozens of angry veterans attended Bendickson's court
hearings. Winona County corrections agent Terry Marnach, who helped
craft the unique sentence said, "He now knows what a veteran is, he
knows what war is, he knows it's horrible and he understands why
those people were mad." The Winona Senior High School student said he
understands why the veterans are mad. "I ain't doing that again," he
said.

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Subject: [MV] The Movie Report#155, 8/20/98
Date: 20 Aug 1998 15:07:36 -0700

T   H   E
M   O   V   I   E
R   E   P   O   R   T
#155
AUGUST 20, 1998

=>T H I S  W E E K<=
M O V I E S
-_Dead_Man_on_Campus_
-_The_Avengers_
-_Slums_of_Beverly_Hills_
-_How_Stella_Got_Her_Groove_Back_
V I D E O
-_(An_Alan_Smithee_Film--)_Burn_Hollywood_Burn_
-_The_Apostle_
-_Kundun_
-_The_Newton_Boys_

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N E W  R E L E A S E S

Hollywood Hotline Featured Review
_Dead_Man_on_Campus_ (R) *
    While I am not fond of any writer's use of cheap, easy puns, I am not
completely above using them myself when the situation merits it (witness my
review of _Pecker_ from a couple of issues ago).  So here goes: the
juvenile, college-set black comedy _Dead_Man_on_Campus_ is dead on arrival.
    Strait-laced med student Josh (Tom Everett Scott, who manages to remain
somewhat likable throughout)'s blemish-free academic record breaks out into
Fs, thanks to the influence of his ever-partying roommate, Cooper
(Mark-Paul Gosselaar), who introduces Josh to the sex- and booze-filled
nights that come with university life.  With the threat of losing an
academic scholarship (Josh) and a life cleaning toilets for his dad looming
(Cooper), what are two good-hearted slackers to do?  Easy--look for a
loophole, which they find in the form of an unbelievable rule in the school
charter that states that if a student's (or students') roommate commits
suicide, the surviving student(s) shall receive straight As.  So instead of
studying, Josh and Cooper attempt to seek out the most depressed student
out there, move him into their dorm room, and drive him to suicide before
the semester ends.
    Director Alan Cohn and screenwriters Michael Traeger and Mike White
(working from a story by Anthony Abrams and Adam Larson Broder) take their
sweet time to build the head of steam that comes with Josh and Cooper's
diabolical plot.  Until then, the usual boring cliches of college life
(booze, sex, more booze) fill the time, which is made to feel longer by
_Saved_by_the_Bell_ alumnus Gosselaar's sitcom-bred mugging.  That said,
once Cohn and company do build some comic momentum, they mishandle it.  The
introduction of the manic, psychotic Cliff (Lochlyn Munro), a potential
roommate for Josh and Cooper, brings some demented life to the uninspired
proceedings before being hastily written out in favor of two less
interesting candidates: paranoid nerd Buckley (Randy Pearlstein) and
British death rocker Matt (Corey Page).  One wishes that Cliff would
reappear, but, as they say, be careful what you wish for.  Not
surprisingly, he does resurface, and it then becomes clear that this is a
character that is best taken in a small dose; almost immediately, his
extended boorish and sociopathic antics loses its novelty.
    The same can be said about all of _Dead_Man_on_Campus_.  Whatever morbid
appeal the far-fetched premise has quickly evaporates, and the
self-absorbed characters, especially Cooper, pretty much grate from the
get-go.  _Dead_Man_ doesn't grow tiresome; it already _is_ once the clever
opening titles are through.  As it slogs along to a cheesy,
happy-for-all-parties conclusion, _Dead_Man_ lives up to its title and then
some--not only does the movie grow even more tired and die, it still
insists on going on... like a zombie.

_The_Avengers_ (PG-13) no stars
    Before I take a closer look at anything within a film--the acting, the
script, whatever--it must first pass the "WTF" test.  That is, I must be
able to safely watch the entire film without once seeing something so
incredibly, stupefyingly insulting, at which point I am left to (audibly)
utter, "WHAT THE FUCK?"  The mega-budgeted big-screen update of the cult
'60s spy TV series _The_Avengers_ failed the WTF test around the 25-minute
mark, when the villainous Sir August DeWynter (Sean Connery) has a
conference with his partners in crime.  While that doesn't sound out of the
ordinary in and of itself, DeWynter and his conspirators, seated at a long
table, are all wearing fuzzy teddy bear suits.  Each one in a different
color of the rainbow.  Everyone together now: "WHAT THE FUCK?"
    Exactly what is this completely incomprehensible bore perpetrated by
"director" Jeremiah Chechik and "writer" Don Macpherson about?  No, it's
not about superslick British spies John Steed (Ralph Fiennes) and Dr. Emma
Peel (Uma Thurman) and their world-saving adventures.  Nor is it about
DeWynter's mystifying plan to somehow destroy the world by way of a weather
machine.  Far from it.  _The_Avengers_ is about the superstylish fashions
sported by Academy Award-nominated models Fiennes and Thurman.  Here's
Ralph in a classy gray flannel and silk suit with matching bowler hat and
umbrella.  Now it's Uma, looking fetching in a skin-tight, neck-to-toe
vinyl catsuit with four-inch heels.  And so on.  Yes, there is something of
a story stringing the fashion show together, but since Chechik and
Macpherson obviously didn't give it a second thought, neither will I here.
    Granted, the photogenic Fiennes and Thurman make an attractive pair.  But,
as with even the best models, things go straight to hell once they open
their mouths.  The two are talented actors, but there's nothing they or
anyone can do with Macpherson's witless idea of comic repartee.  The
tension that consequently builds between Steed and Peel is not sexual but
of a different sort--the type you get when oil and water meet (so I guess
you can say there is some kind of chemistry going on).  The Oscar winner in
the bunch, Connery, is even more lost, so over-the-top as if to be "acting"
in a completely different film from another planet.
    For the entire film, the audience with whom I saw _The_Avengers_ was stone
silent... until the end credits started to roll, at which point a lone
voice from the rear of the auditorium snapped, "That shit was stupid."
While no one offered an "amen," I'm certain that's exactly what everyone
was thinking.

Hollywood Hotline Featured Review
_Slums_of_Beverly_Hills_ (R) ** 1/2
    In late August, the Fox network is premiering a new period sitcom called
_That_'70s_Show_.  If I didn't know any better, I would have believed that
the pilot had already aired--on the big screen, under the title
_Slums_of_Beverly_Hills_.  For her first film, writer-director Tamara
Jenkins has served up a well-meaning, often engaging comedic slice of 1976
SoCal life, but even its pleasures would seem more at home on the tube.
    This is not to say, however, that _Slums_ is without big screen-worthy
virtues.  First and foremost, Jenkins offers an unusually frank depiction
of a teenage girl's sexual awakening, that of 15-year-old Vivian Abramowitz
(Natasha Lyonne).  Vivian is neither completely excited over nor frightened
of her burgeoning womanhood, as films often depict; instead, she occupies a
more realistic, tentative middle ground.  A sore subject for her is her
ever-increasing breast size, but she is not afraid to use the allure of
such assets, allowing a
potential paramour (Kevin Corrigan) to touch them during what is only a
second meeting.  Jenkins also deserves credit for showing Vivian experiment
with a vibrator.  While she deserves credit for the mere inclusion of such
a scene, Jenkins's real accomplishment is making it tasteful, realistic,
and not at all ridiculous.
    Lyonne is an endearing lead, and her performance is well-supported by the
rest of the cast, including Alan Arkin as her father, Murray; and Marisa
Tomei as her recovering drug addict cousin, Rita.  However, the cast is
ultimately only as good as the material, and Jenkins's script, while
consistently amusing and full of nicely droll one-liners, is fairly thin.
The title refers to the seedy areas on the fringes of the Beverly Hills
city limits where the divorced Murray insists he and his three
children--Vivian, wisecracking older brother Ben (David Krumholtz), and
nondescript youngest Rickey (Eli Marienthal)--make their home (he wants
them to get the education only the Hills of Beverly schools can provide).
Or, rather, homes--the family rarely stays in one location for longer than
a month, setting the stage for a few location changes that would suit an
ongoing television series.  Then again, a lot of _Slums_ would suit a
series, for the film feels like a pilot for a made-for-Showtime series,
with its formulaic episodes of zaniness (the growing comic complications in
a scene with an unconscious Rita follows a predictable "let's top this"
crescendo), a family member who pops in to stir the pot as a "guest star"
(Rita), plot threads eventually tied together into a cutesy little bow, and
an open ended resolution that screams out "to be continued," all of which
is laced with enough raunch to keep it from seeing broadcast network airwaves.
    _Slums_of_Beverly_Hills_ is a reasonably enjoyable lark whose 91 minutes
go down smoothly.  You're guaranteed a laugh here and there, and plenty
more smiles.  But it's the snack food equivalent of film--it satisfies for
a while, but it doesn't fill you up in the long run.

IN BRIEF

_How_Stella_Got_Her_Groove_Back_ (R) ***
    Burned-out, 40-year-old divorced career woman Stella Payne (Angela
Bassett) goes on a spur-of-the-moment trip to Jamaica, where she falls into
a hot relationship with a local (Taye Diggs) who is literally half her age.
 Predictably, tongues wag, both at the island and back at home in San
Francisco.  In fact, all of the bases covered in this adaptation of Terry
McMillan's bestseller are by the book, from the heart-tugging resolution of
the romance to a subplot involving Stella's best friend's (Whoopi Goldberg,
in a bit of scene-stealing magic that is--yes--predictable) dark secret.
But like all romances, as predictable as they may be, the ultimate measure
of their success is the appeal of focal couple, and thanks to its sizzling
pair of lovers, _Stella_ easily sweeps one up into its groove.  While
charismatic former _Rent_ster Diggs looks and acts a bit older than 20
(he's 27 in real life) and the sexy, smashingly fit Bassett looks years
younger than 40, their skill, charisma, and smoldering rapport make the
entire yarn involving and believable, assembly-line contrivances and all.

IN CURRENT RELEASE
(full reviews of the following in past MRs and at the listed URLs)

-_Armageddon_ (PG-13) *** <MR#149, 7/1/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#armageddon
-_Billy's_Hollywood_Screen_Kiss_ (R) *** <MR#148, 6/26/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#billy
-_Doctor_Dolittle_ (PG-13) ** <MR#148, 6/16/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#dolittle
-_Ever_After_ (PG-13) *** <MR#152, 7/30/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#everafter
-_Gone_with_the_Wind_ (G) **** <MR#147, 6/17/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#gwtw
-_Halloween:_H20--20_Years_Later_ (R) *** <MR#152, 7/30/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#h20
-_Lethal_Weapon_4_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#lethal4
-_The_Mask_of_Zorro_ (PG-13) *** <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#zorro
-_Mulan_ (G) **** <MR#147, 6/17/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#mulan
-_The_Negotiator_ (R) *** <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#negotiator>
-_The_Opposite_of_Sex_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#144, 5/29/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt34.html#sex
-_Return_to_Paradise_ (R) *** <MR#154, 8/13/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt38.html#paradise
-_Saving_Private_Ryan_ (R) **** <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#ryan
-_Small_Soldiers_ (PG) ** 1/2 <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#soldiers
-_There's_Something_About_Mary_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#mary
-_The_X-Files_ (PG-13) *** 1/2 <MR#147, 6/17/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#x

FUTURE FILMS

-_Lolita_ (R) ** 1/2 <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#lolita
   (September 25)
-_Pecker_ (R) ** 1/2 <MR#153, 8/7/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#pecker
   (September 25)

O N  T H E  H O R I Z O N
OPENED WEDNESDAY

_Your_Friends_&_Neighbors_ (R) *** 1/2
Full review in MR#154, 8/13/98; and at:
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt38.html#friends
    Writer-director Neil LaBute takes another lascerating look at the dark
side of human nature in this fascinating, fiercely funny look at the sexual
entanglements of three men (Aaron Eckhart, Jason Patric, and Ben Stiller)
and three women (Amy Brenneman, Catherine Keener, and Nastassja Kinski).

FRIDAY

_The_Best_Man_ (PG)
    This period drama from Italy centers on an unhappy young woman (Ines
Sastre) who falls for the best man at her arranged wedding to a much older
man.

_Blade_ (R)
    Before Buffy slew any bloodsuckers on the big or small screens, the
half-human, half-vampire Blade was hunting down the undead in the pages of
Marvel comics.  Now he comes to the big screen, with Wesley Snipes, who
also produced, in the title role.

_Dance_with_Me_ (PG) **
Full review in MR#154, 8/13/98; and at:
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt38.html#dance
    Exuberant salsa dance sequences energize this largely uninvolving
melodrama about a Cuban emigre (Chayanne) who falls for a Houston dance
instructor (Vanessa L. Williams).

_Dead_Man_on_Campus_ (R) * <see above review>
    Dead-on-arrival black comedy about a couple of college roommatess (Tom
Everett Scott and Mark-Paul Gosselaar) who plot to drive a third to suicide
in order to get straight As.

_Next_Stop,_Wonderland_ (R)
    Boston-set romantic comedy about a nurse (Hope Davis) and marine biologist
(Alan Gelfant) who would make the perfect match... but keep on missing each
other.

_Wrongfully_Accused_ (PG-13)
    For the third summer descendant of the old Zucker/Abrahams/Zucker
filmmaking team, Pat Proft, the silent "P" in "ZAZ," makes his directorial
debut with this _Fugitive_ spoof, starring Leslie Nielsen.  Given the
anemic box office and critical performances of the other two ZAZ spinoffs
of the season, _Jane_Austen's_Mafia!_ and _BASEketball_, it's not terribly
surprising that Warner Bros. opted to not screen this one for critics.


~~~

=>V I D E O<=
N E W  T H I S  W E E K

_(An_Alan_Smithee_Film--)_Burn_Hollywood_Burn_ (R) no stars
Full review in MR#133, 3/5/98; and at:
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt29.html#smithee
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=40930
    The worst film of 1998 (nothing else set for release this year could
_possibly_ beat it) is this horridly unfunny Joe Eszterhas-penned, Arthur
Hiller (or Alan Smithee, as is credited)-directed satire of Hollywood
studio politics, in which a disgruntled director (Eric Idle) burns the only
existing print of his fizzled action blockbuster starring Sylvester
Stallone, Whoopi Goldberg, and Jackie Chan (who appear as themselves).  A
flat-out turkey with absolutely no redeeming qualities.  (Hollywood
Pictures Home Video)

_The_Apostle_ (R) *** 1/2
Full review in MR#130, 2/12/98; and at:
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt29.html#apostle
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=40826
    Robert Duvall, who also wrote and directed, deserved to win the Best Actor
Academy Award for his electrifying, nominated performance as a sinning
Southern Pentecostal preacher who undergoes a spiritual rebirth.
(Universal Studios Home Video)

_Kundun_ (PG-13) *** 1/2
Full review in MR#124, 1/5/98; and at:
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt27.html#kundun
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=40812
    Martin Scorsese's sumptous sensory feast follows the life of the 14th
Dalai Lama of Tibet.  (Touchstone Home Video)

_The_Newton_Boys_ (R) ** 1/2
Full review in MR#137, 4/10/98; and at:
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt31.html#newtonboys
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=40994
    Richard Linklater's easygoing but superficial western based on the
true-life bankrobbing brothers (Matthew McConaughey, Ethan Hawke, Vincent
D'Onofrio, and Skeet Ulrich).  (20th Century Fox Home Entertainment)

A L S O  N E W  T H I S  W E E K

The Borrowers (PG)
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
http://www.reel.com/cgi-bin/nph-session.exe?COBRAND=MRBR&OBJECT=moviepage.as
p?MMID=40923
    John Goodman stars as an evil lawyer who threatens the lives of a family
of miniature people in this adaptation of Mary Norton's children's books.
(PolyGram Video)


~~~

=>N E X T  W E E K<=

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-_Why_Do_Fools_Fall_in_Love_

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From: Scott Renshaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] REVIEW: DANCE WITH ME
Date: 20 Aug 1998 19:49:40 -0600 (MDT)

DANCE WITH ME
(Columbia)
Starring:  Vanessa L. Williams, Chayanne, Kris Kristofferson, Joan
Plowright, Jane Krakowski.
Screenplay:  Daryl Matthews.
Producers:  Lauren C. Weissman, Randa Haines and Shinya Egawa.
Director:  Randa Haines.
MPAA Rating:  PG (profanity, mild sensuality)
Running Time:  125 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

    I know what you're probably thinking about DANCE WITH ME, because it's
the same thing I was thinking.  This would be nothing more than a bunch of
dance sequences strung together by something that could only be called a
plot if you were being particularly generous.  Even the film's trailer,
which featured about a dozen words in two minutes, contributed to the
impression that DANCE WITH ME wouldn't be about characters, but about
plastic wind-up dance toys masquerading as characters.  Yes, the film's
original title -- SHUT UP AND DANCE -- would certainly prove prescient.

     I'll tell you what I wasn't expecting:  one of the year's most
appealing, charismatic performances.  It comes courtesy of Chayanne, the
Puerto Rican musical sensation who stars here as Rafael Infante, a young
Cubano coming to Houston, Texas on a personal mission.  After landing a
job at the studio of dance teacher John Burnett (Kris Kristofferson),
Rafael becomes interested in one of the pros who frequents the studio,
Ruby Sinclair (Vanessa L. Williams).  Ruby is an enigma to Rafael, since
her fierce dedication to dancing doesn't seem to be connected to any real
joy.  As Rafael tries to re-introduce Ruby to the pure pleasure of dance,
a tentative romance, naturally blossoms between them.

     Simple stuff, to be sure -- perhaps even simplistic -- but DANCE WITH
ME sells its simplicity almost entirely on the strength of Chayanne's
appeal.  Though it's certainly helpful that he's has boyish good looks and
an inviting smile, his success can't be dismissed as purely hormonal.  He
has to anchor both of the film's big emotional hooks -- tentative attempts
to connect with the father he has never known, and the romance with
Williams -- in spite of a language barrier, which he does by acting with
his face and body language as well as any young performer of the last
several years.  Chayanne has that intangible something called presence,
something that gets you more involved in a simple story than the material
probably deserves.

     That presence is most forceful when he hits the dance floor in an
exhilarating sequence at a Latin dance club.  The sequence hinges on
Rafael conveying to Ruby the pure joy of dance, and that joy explodes from
his every movement.  As obviously choreographed as some of the
"spontaneous" moves in the club might be, it's still infectious to watch
when Rafael seems to be having so much fun.  He even manages to bring an
unforced charm to the Gene Kelly dance steps he breaks into in the middle
of a shower of lawn sprinklers.  Anyone who can invoke SINGIN' IN THE RAIN
without inspiring gasps at the sacrilege has to be doing something right.

     He does so many things right, in fact, that the second half of DANCE
WITH ME seems terribly wrong-headed when the focus abruptly shifts to
Ruby's attempts to re-ignite her career at a Las Vegas dance competition,
re-united with her former partner (Rick Valenzuela, playing a cartoonish
macho egomaniac).  First-time screenwriter Daryl Matthews (also the film's
choreographer) makes the mistake of making Ruby's conflict central at a
time in the narrative when there's already plenty of conflict to go
around.  Director Randa Haines, meanwhile, makes the mistake of spending
too much time showing us the competition itself.  If the point was to
prove how much more exciting club dancing is than regimented competitive
dancing, that point is made and made again for nearly half an hour,
including ridiculous comic relief from Joan Plowright as a spunky
geriatric.  The solid chemistry between Williams and Chayanne is lost, the
father-son relationship is buried and the dancing rapidly grows tiresome.
Predictable though the story may have been, at least is was energetic.
DANCE WITH ME decides to turn into a dance movie exactly when the dancing
is least interesting, and after the hero has made his impression.  His
charisma makes much of the film watchable, until it reaches the point
where, much to your disappointment, they make him and everyone else just
shut up and dance.

     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 dance fevers:  6.

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Subject: Re: [MV] Movies that suck
Date: 21 Aug 1998 10:12:31 +0200


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Danielle Conkle wrote:

> >Oh, and Twister, another example.  Themes (2): Man vs. Nature, Man >vs.
> Man.
> > Plot: launch theoretical bulbs into a tornado.  Not a strong one, >but
> a
> >decent story.
>     A decent story?  I think Twister would be a good example of a movie
> living completely on special affects and almost no plot whatsoever.
>
>

Ok, Twister doesn't have a great story but the movie is really alive,...

I mean, the cool thing about Twister is the bud-thing between the characters

It's real fun to look at it...That's what's making this thing a charming movie

and yes, ok, the Special effects have also helped to make Twister .


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Danielle Conkle wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>>Oh, and Twister, another example.  Themes (2):
Man vs. Nature, Man >vs.
<BR>Man.
<BR>> Plot: launch theoretical bulbs into a tornado.  Not a strong
one, >but
<BR>a
<BR>>decent story.
<BR>    A decent story?  I think Twister would be a
good example of a movie
<BR>living completely on special affects and almost no plot whatsoever.
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<PRE>Ok, Twister doesn't have a great story but the movie is really alive,...</PRE>

<PRE>I mean, the cool thing about Twister is the bud-thing between the characters</PRE>

<PRE>It's real fun to look at it...That's what's making this thing a charming movie</PRE>

<PRE>and yes, ok, the Special effects have also helped to make Twister .</PRE>

<PRE>
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From: Jakob Straub <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] FROGURT
Date: 21 Aug 1998 14:15:18 +0200

> From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: RE: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/07/98
>
> > [ The frogurt is also cursed! ] [Romero, Leticia]   what does this
> > mean??!!!!

Isn't that out of "The Simpsons" ?? There is this Halloween episode,
where Homer buys a cursed Krusty Doll for Bart's birthday, and the shop
clerk (who actually looks like YODA from Star Wars episode V) says he
will get a free Frogurt with it, but when Homer is delighted about it,
the clerk states:
  "The Frogurt is also cursed!"

Please correct me if I am wrong about this.

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From: "David Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Which movie should I watch this weekend?
Date: 21 Aug 1998 23:33:33 +0800

Harlow, people...

I have a dilemma... given that school has started, I'm limited to only one
movie over the weekend... and here are the choices available...

a) Horse Whisperer
b) The Avengers
c) Hope Floats

Could anybody help me make an informed decision? I know there's been a lot
of bad publicity for The Avengers, but just like to see Ralph Fiennes and
Uma Thurman. Do you think it'll be worth it if that's all I'm expecting
from it? Or would you recommend Robert Redford's Horse Whisperer? How's
Kristen Scott Thomas? Is she any good? And is Sandra Bullocks' performance
in Hope Floats overrated? I know the movie sounds bad, but certain critics
(at least those I've come across) have rather favourable remarks for
Bullock.

Do let me know your opinions. Greatly appreciated.

David ;-)



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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Which movie should I watch this weekend?
Date: 21 Aug 1998 09:45:52 -0600

The Horse Whisperer is your only safe bet.

Greg

On Friday, August 21, 1998 9:34 AM, David Lee [SMTP:[e-mail]] wrote:
> Harlow, people...
>
> I have a dilemma... given that school has started, I'm limited to only one
> movie over the weekend... and here are the choices available...
>
> a) Horse Whisperer
> b) The Avengers
> c) Hope Floats
>
> Could anybody help me make an informed decision? I know there's been a lot
> of bad publicity for The Avengers, but just like to see Ralph Fiennes and
> Uma Thurman. Do you think it'll be worth it if that's all I'm expecting
> from it? Or would you recommend Robert Redford's Horse Whisperer? How's
> Kristen Scott Thomas? Is she any good? And is Sandra Bullocks' performance
> in Hope Floats overrated? I know the movie sounds bad, but certain critics
> (at least those I've come across) have rather favourable remarks for
> Bullock.
>
> Do let me know your opinions. Greatly appreciated.
>
> David ;-)
>
>
>
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Subject: Re: [MV] Which movie should I watch this weekend?
Date: 21 Aug 1998 08:46:32 PDT

>a) Horse Whisperer
>b) The Avengers
>c) Hope Floats

    From critics (and friends) alike the shout of the avengers is Bad!
Bad! Bad!.  I haven't seen it, so i can't really say, but i haven't
heard one person or review which had one good thing to say about it.
    I have not seen the Horse Whisperer, but i did see Hope Floats.
This is one of the saddest movies i've seen.  One thing after the next
keeps on happening.  Definitly not a feel good movie.  A total chic
flick, but i thought it was okay.


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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/21/98
Date: 21 Aug 1998 10:23:49 -0600 (MDT)

Now that he's saved Private Ryan, Tom Hanks is sending men to their
deaths. Hanks is shooting "The Green Mile," playing a prison guard
who escorts condemned men to the electric chair in a southern prison.
The role might seem unlikely for Hanks, but he said he couldn't put
down Frank Darabont's script because of its "many twists and turns."
Darabont also is directing, just as he did another prison film, "The
Shawshank Redemption."

                        -=> * <=-

Denzel Washington will make his directorial debut next May when he
steps behind the camera for a Fox Searchlight on "Finding Fish," the
autobiographical tale of Antwone Fisher, a former security guard on
the Sony lot who turned his life story into a script. Fisher's story
is about a 24-year-old sailor sent to a Navy psychiatrist because of
a propensity for violence. Washington might play a role in the film,
but the studio is looking for the right actor to play Fisher. Though
this will be Washington's feature debut, he got some directing
experience recently when he lensed the BeBe Winans music video "In
Harm's Way."

                        -=> * <=-

Hollywood is hoping to turn more than a few heads with a new
syndicated TV series based on the spine-tingling 1973 horror classic
"The Exorcist." Producers Morgan Creek and Tribune Entertainment
announced Wednesday that "Exorcist: The Series" is targeted for a
fall 1999 debut. There's no word yet on casting, but the series will
focus on a central character's "investigation of mysterious conflicts
between good and evil forces of supernatural proportions." The
original picture, directed by William Friedkin, was based on William
Peter Blatty's best-selling novel of the same name. Morgan Creek owns
the TV rights to the "Exorcist" franchise, while Tribune provides
domestic distribution via its sizable TV station group.

                        -=> * <=-

Tom Sizemore and John Goodman are in advanced talks to join Nicolas
Cage and Ving Rhames in "Bringing Out the Dead" for director Martin
Scorsese. The Paramount/Disney drama focuses on a burned-out Hell's
Kitchen paramedic (Cage) who has visions of the people who have died
in his care. Sizemore will play Walls, Cage's old partner, while
Rhames plays Marcus, Cage's new partner. Goodman plays another
paramedic, working the graveyard shift. Along with "Saving Private
Ryan," Sizemore's credits include "The Relic," "Heat" and "Devil in a
Blue Dress." Goodman just finished starring in this summer's Public
Theater revival of Thorton Wilder's "The Skin of Our Teeth" in New
York. He was recently featured in "Blues Brothers 2000," "The Big
Lebowski," "Fallen" and "The Borrowers."

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Subject: [MV] Movie News 2 - 08/21/98
Date: 21 Aug 1998 11:05:19 -0600 (MDT)

Washington lawyer and Clinton confidant Vernon Jordan has a
cameo role in "Rounders," Matt Damon's new movie for
Miramax. Damon plays a law school student and card shark,
while Jordan plays a judge who lectures Damon on the finer
points of the law. It's the second feature for Jordan, who
also appeared in Robert Altman's "Gingerbread Man."

                        -=> * <=-

DIED: Stuart Regen, 39, "Leaving Las Vegas" producer and
prominent West Hollywood art dealer, of cancer. Regen became
interested in motion pictures when he read John O'Brien's
semi-autobiographical novel about an alcoholic who goes to
Las Vegas to drink himself to death.

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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Which movie should I watch this weekend?
Date: 21 Aug 1998 13:49:41 -0400

At 11.33 PM 21/08/98 +0800, David Lee wrote:
>Harlow, people...
>
>I have a dilemma... given that school has started, I'm limited to only one
>movie over the weekend... and here are the choices available...
>
>a) Horse Whisperer
>b) The Avengers
>c) Hope Floats
>
>Could anybody help me make an informed decision?

Hope Floats will be on video sometime next month.  Considering the
economics of Titanic (it cost me US$20 to take my wife, my friend spent
US$50 with the kids, and it is available next week for US$20 to own), I
would not go see something so close to video release (yes, I do have to
admit to a bias).

The Horse Whisperer will be on video in November.  It is supposed to be
real good, but as someone said, it is a "chick flick".  I would recommend
seeing this with a date.

Reviews on The Avengers have gone from bad to worst.  I am curious to see
what they have done with the movie, and have actually liked a few movies
that were completely trashed by the critics.  Still, I would be hesitant to
spend money to see it in a theatre.

Hence, therefore, ergo, your best bet out of the three is Horse Whisperer.
However, it would not be my first choice.  Do you have any other options??

Regards,

--Mel


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From: Blacknight <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Which movie should I watch this weekend?
Date: 22 Aug 1998 07:06:41 +0800

Mel Eperthener wrote:

> The Horse Whisperer will be on video in November.  It is supposed to
> be
> real good, but as someone said, it is a "chick flick".  I would
> recommend
> seeing this with a date.

I haven't seen the movie but I absolutely hated the book. I can't
understand why it became a best seller. From what I have heard the movie
isn't that great either. The guy in the movie is supposed to be 45 years
old but Robert Redford who portrays him is what? 60+ years old. I
absolutely cannot relate to the characters, they were written as mere
caricatures. You are supposed to look at Redford's character in awe but
he is just another weak man who cannot keep his hands to himself. As for
Scott Thomas' character, I would really like to slap her or something
every time she is involved in a scene. I simply cannot understand why it
was called the Horse Whisperer when only a small part of the book talks
about horses, most of the time it talks about Redford's character and
Scott Thomas' character's affair.

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Subject: [MV] MovieJuice! - Week of August 22, 1998
Date: 22 Aug 1998 15:44:03 -0400

Read, Loved, and Hated by the Hollywood Community in equal measures, it's MovieJuice!  Don't miss the Blade pics this week gang at http://www.moviejuice.com.  Grab your scalpels, it's time for.
********************

BLADE - THE CUTTING EDGE OF SCHLOCK

by Mark Ramsey

http://www.moviejuice.com

August 23, 1998

Last week on the Today show, Chris Rock said he'd like to "whup Ken Starr's ass" and called Starr a "scumsucker."   If you missed that, it may be because NBC replaced it on the West Coast with a cowboy rodeo college segment.  But what does Chris Rock know?  I'm sure the cowboy rodeo college will soon have its own HBO series and thriving movie career thus justifying NBC's stupid-ass decision-making process, all the while protecting the puritanical parents of America from the reality that their kids hear more "bad language" in five minutes of Blade than in a full year of Today show segments.  And as I scanned the Blade theater, there was nary a parent in sight.  God forbid.

In Blade, Wesley Snipes is a one-man vampire killing machine.  A dude with a 'tude and a brood.  The vamps, you see, are everywhere.   They own real estate, blood banks, Dr. Laura's soul, and the Broadway revival rights to every Jerry Herman and Rodgers and Hammerstein musical.  The bastards have Carol Channing's fate in their cold, clammy hands!  They must be stopped!

Enter Blade in a frantic fugue of gothic/industrial martial arts!  Wesley dispatches fanged beasties by the batch, as they crumble into showers of CGI-aided particulates.

How come when the vampires snarl, they sound exactly like a roaring lion?  I mean exactly!  Couldn't they process the sound just a wee little bit?  Who's the engineer, Barnum or Bailey?  And why a lion?   Why not something really frightening and inhuman like Fran Dresher's whine?  I'd rather hear about the cowboy rodeo college.

At least the vampire look finally departs from that tired Buffy-Lost Boys demon clichi, the one with the slanted eyes and bumpy forehead resembling less a blood-sucker and more the Talosian Ambassador from Star Trek.

Look for the cameo from one-time under-age porn nymphet Traci Lords, whose oeuvre is available at an FBI office near you or at Blockbuster Video's new all-adult division:  "Ballbuster Video."   Thanks to her early start in the business, Traci's films are even harder to see than Kevin Costner's.  Little surprise, I guess, that Blade is brought to you by notoriously sex-crazed New Line, where the motto is:  "We lower our Pants for Tramps and Vamps." or "Screw me, Do me, owe your career To me."

Kris Kristofferson is back after a long hiatus from acting - which included many of his recent roles.  Kris plays "Whistler," which is invariably more credible than his previous roles as "Singer" and "Actor."

And then there's Stephen Dorff who's fangtastic in the Leonardo DiVampio role.  But what kind of nemesis is this?  In real life, Wesley could snuff this guy with a nasty stare.

My favorite character in Blade is definitely the tight-lipped, buttoned-up, establishment German-accented vampire dandy.  "You bore me," he sniffs at the uppity Dorff, right up until the conversation veers back to the collected works of Bette Midler and Peter Allen.

Least likable is the supposed Blade love interest, a blood doctor (natch!) named N'bushe Wright.  Bush right???!!!  You don't need to be Freud to figure that one out!  Small wonder, then, that Wesley is also known as N'manhood Ample and Kristofferson may also be referred to as N'grizzly Geezer.

Early on, N'bushe is nibbled by a nightwalker and the little bandages on her bite marks keep relocating around her neck.  Either those marks are moving, or she has the limber head of an owl.  At one point they're so far apart only mondo-mouthed Miramax co-chairman Harvey Weinstein could be responsible.  Harvey, who usually takes his blood with a sweat and tear chaser, could not be reached for comment.

In case you're wondering, this is another of those movies with chosen ones and resurrected Gods and ancient prophecies and all that crap.   Shades of The Fifth Element.   Despite it all, though, I got a swift kick out of this flick.  A shame they didn't spend as much time dreaming up some fresh story ideas as they did animating silly pictures.  This Blade is naughty fun, even if it could use some Blade plug-in air freshener.

Plug it in, plug it in, baby.

Copyright 1998 Mark Ramsey. All rights reserved.  NO PORTION MAY BE REPRODUCED WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN PERMISSION OF THE AUTHOR.
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Read, Loved, and Hated by the Hollywood Community in equal measures, it's MovieJuice!  Don't miss the Blade pics this week gang at http://www.moviejuice.com.  Grab your scalpels, it's time for.
********************

BLADE - THE CUTTING EDGE OF SCHLOCK

by Mark Ramsey

http://www.moviejuice.com

August 23, 1998

Last week on the Today show, Chris Rock said he'd like to "whup Ken Starr's ass" and called Starr a "scumsucker."   If you missed that, it may be because NBC replaced it on the West Coast with a cowboy rodeo college segment.  But what does Chris Rock know?  I'm sure the cowboy rodeo college will soon have its own HBO series and thriving movie career thus justifying NBC's stupid-ass decision-making process, all the while protecting the puritanical parents of America from the reality that their kids hear more "bad language" in five minutes of Blade than in a full year of Today show segments.  And as I scanned the Blade theater, there was nary a parent in sight.  God forbid.

In Blade, Wesley Snipes is a one-man vampire killing machine.  A dude with a 'tude and a brood.  The vamps, you see, are everywhere.   They own real estate, blood banks, Dr. Laura's soul, and the Broadway revival rights to every Jerry Herman and Rodgers and Hammerstein musical.  The bastards have Carol Channing's fate in their cold, clammy hands!  They must be stopped!

Enter Blade in a frantic fugue of gothic/industrial martial arts!  Wesley dispatches fanged beasties by the batch, as they crumble into showers of CGI-aided particulates.

How come when the vampires snarl, they sound exactly like a roaring lion?  I mean exactly!  Couldn't they process the sound just a wee little bit?  Who's the engineer, Barnum or Bailey?  And why a lion?   Why not something really frightening and inhuman like Fran Dresher's whine?  I'd rather hear about the cowboy rodeo college.

At least the vampire look finally departs from that tired Buffy-Lost Boys demon clichi, the one with the slanted eyes and bumpy forehead resembling less a blood-sucker and more the Talosian Ambassador from Star Trek.

Look for the cameo from one-time under-age porn nymphet Traci Lords, whose oeuvre is available at an FBI office near you or at Blockbuster Video's new all-adult division:  "Ballbuster Video."   Thanks to her early start in the business, Traci's films are even harder to see than Kevin Costner's.  Little surprise, I guess, that Blade is brought to you by notoriously sex-crazed New Line, where the motto is:  "We lower our Pants for Tramps and Vamps." or "Screw me, Do me, owe your career To me."

Kris Kristofferson is back after a long hiatus from acting - which included many of his recent roles.  Kris plays "Whistler," which is invariably more credible than his previous roles as "Singer" and "Actor."

And then there's Stephen Dorff who's fangtastic in the Leonardo DiVampio role.  But what kind of nemesis is this?  In real life, Wesley could snuff this guy with a nasty stare.

My favorite character in Blade is definitely the tight-lipped, buttoned-up, establishment German-accented vampire dandy.  "You bore me," he sniffs at the uppity Dorff, right up until the conversation veers back to the collected works of Bette Midler and Peter Allen.

Least likable is the supposed Blade love interest, a blood doctor (natch!) named N'bushe Wright.  Bush right???!!!  You don't need to be Freud to figure that one out!  Small wonder, then, that Wesley is also known as N'manhood Ample and Kristofferson may also be referred to as N'grizzly Geezer.

Early on, N'bushe is nibbled by a nightwalker and the little bandages on her bite marks keep relocating around her neck.  Either those marks are moving, or she has the limber head of an owl.  At one point they're so far apart only mondo-mouthed Miramax co-chairman Harvey Weinstein could be responsible.  Harvey, who usually takes his blood with a sweat and tear chaser, could not be reached for comment.

In case you're wondering, this is another of those movies with chosen ones and resurrected Gods and ancient prophecies and all that crap.   Shades of The Fifth Element.   Despite it all, though, I got a swift kick out of this flick.  A shame they didn't spend as much time dreaming up some fresh story ideas as they did animating silly pictures.  This Blade is naughty fun, even if it could use some Blade plug-in air freshener.

Plug it in, plug it in, baby.

Copyright 1998 Mark Ramsey. All rights reserved.  NO PORTION MAY BE REPRODUCED WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN PERMISSION OF THE AUTHOR.
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Subject: [MV] REVIEW: WRONGFULLY ACCUSED
Date: 23 Aug 1998 10:49:10 -0600 (MDT)

WRONGFULLY ACCUSED
(Warner Bros.)
Starring:  Leslie Nielsen, Richard Crenna, Melinda McGraw, Kelly LeBrock,
Aaron Pearl, Michael York.
Screenplay:  Pat Proft.
Producers:  Pat Proft, James G. Robinson and Bernd Eichinger.
Director:  Pat Proft.
MPAA Rating:  PG-13 (sexual innuendo, profanity, adult themes)
Running Time:  85 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

     "Leslie Nielsen _is_ Leslie Nielsen" reads a tongue-in-cheek opening
credit that opens WRONGFULLY ACCUSED, and no irony could be more bitter.
Once upon a time Nielsen was a B-movie dramatic actor who re-invented
himself as a deadpan comedian thanks to the Zucker-Abrahams-Zucker team,
who cast him in AIRPLANE! and their television series "Police Squad!"
Those successes led to three NAKED GUN films based on "Police Squad!",
which in turn led to SPY HARD and MR. MAGOO.  The one-time serious actor
who used to play straight man so successfully against absurdist parody
turned into a self-parody, mugging ever more shamelessly as he became
typecast as the prat-falling dope.

     You can expect more of the same -- Leslie Nielsen once again _as_
Leslie Nielsen -- in WRONGFULLY ACCUSED, the latest in a seemingly endless
string of films this summer from ZAZ alumni.  This one, written and
directed by HOT SHOTS! and NAKED GUN co-scribe Pat Proft, casts Nielsen as
Ryan Harrison, internationally renowned "Lord of the Violin."  Seduced by
a slinky temptress (Kelly LeBrock), Harrison ends up accused of the murder
of millionaire Hibbing Goodhue (Michael York, looking like a Madame
Tussaud figure of himself).  He escapes, he runs, he's pursued by a
single-minded law-enforcement agent (Richard Crenna), he searches for a
one-armed, one-legged, one-eyed man (Aaron Pearl), yada yada yada.

     I don't know whether the strained comedy of WRONGFULLY ACCUSED would
have seemed any fresher if it hadn't come hard on the heels of MAFIA! and
BASEKETBALL, but it certainly doesn't help.  Proft tries to keep the gags
coming fast enough to obscure the tedium -- perhaps believing he can
convince an audience that a hundred lame jokes add up to one decent one --
but the gags are worse than uninspired.  They're uninspired and redundant,
the kind of stuff that makes you suspect Proft and Jim Abrahams were
sitting in a room together as they were hashing out this film and MAFIA!,
respectively.  How else to explain the fact that both films include a shot
of a man leaving a lipstick print from a kiss, and a computer generated
tongue emerging from someone's ear, and shots at Michael Flatley?

     Those re-cycled gags are enough to make WRONGFULLY ACCUSED feel
ridiculously tired.  Nielsen's performance merely compounds the misery.
He has become such a flashing red light for self-defeating satire that he
simply can't play the role he once played:  the slack-faced observer of
anarchy. Directors have decided it's easier to get the audience to laugh
at Nielsen than it is to write anything funny to which he can react...or,
more appropriately, _not_ react.  WRONGFULLY ACCUSED features Nielsen at
his least appealing, throwing out rolled eyes, grimaces and misguided
reaction takes by the truckload.  Instead of providing an incongruous
presence that contributes to the humor, he becomes a vaguely pathetic
aging class clown.

     I realize that subtlety has never been the forte of genre parody, but
there are scattered moments when WRONGFULLY ACCUSED appears to have a
decent idea that's not head-smackingly obvious.  The best laugh, one I'm
sure was unintentional, comes from the 30-second cameo by Sandra Bernhard
which belies her prominent featuring in the credits.  It seems like a
clever jab at Julianne Moore's cutting-room-floor performance in THE
FUGITIVE, especially when Nielsen refers to getting information from
Bernhard's character in a scene we never see.  It's probably too much to
expect that level of insider satire to be sustained, especially when it's
so much easier to have Nielsen bang his head on a low bridge while
standing on the bow of the Titanic.  That's about the level of humor you
can expect when a film's number one comedic weapon is Leslie Nielsen _as_
Leslie Nielsen.

     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 Nielsen ratings:  2.

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Subject: [MV] Lethal Weapon 4
Date: 23 Aug 1998 22:06:22 -0400 (EDT)

Good day to you,

I am sure that the majority of you have seen Lethal Weapon 4. I was wondering what you thought of Jet Li's performance in the movie. As an Asian, I am curious about the westerners' point of view on his performance. Heck, I guess it need not be just the westerners, how about everyone for that matter?

I thought his fighting sequence was wonderful. Most memorable was the sequence when he and his goons were in Danny Glover's house holding Rene Russo hostage.

So, what do you think of Jet Li?

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Subject: Re: [MV] Lethal Weapon 4
Date: 23 Aug 1998 21:14:02 -0800

Wong,

I personally thought he was the highlight of the movie, and I'm a
westerner, from Pasadena.

Ken

[e-mail] wrote:

> Good day to you,
>
> I am sure that the majority of you have seen Lethal Weapon 4. I was
> wondering what you thought of Jet Li's performance in the movie. As an
> Asian, I am curious about the westerners' point of view on his
> performance. Heck, I guess it need not be just the westerners, how about
> everyone for that matter?
>
> I thought his fighting sequence was wonderful. Most memorable was the
> sequence when he and his goons were in Danny Glover's house holding Rene
> Russo hostage.
>
> So, what do you think of Jet Li?
>
> Wong
> [e-mail]
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Date: 24 Aug 1998 01:11:07 EDT

FILM THREAT WEEKLY
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Slate II, Take 35 : August 24th, 1998
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--> NEWS: Where objectivity is strangely absent.
--> BOXOFFICE CHART: Who's number one at the boxoffice?
--> PICKS OF THE WEEK: A load of plugs.
--> BIG SCREEN: Blade, and that's it.
--> DIY FILMMAKING: Filmmaker War Stories
--> AN INDIE PRODUCTION DIARY: The adventure continues...


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SPIDER-MAN RANT
James Cameron's proposed "Spider-Man" film may be getting closer to reality as
the legal-mumbo-jumbo surrounding the project gets resolved, but not everyone
is pleased.  The always entertaining Jeffrey Wells sent this missive to the
Rough Cut Online web site in response to a news item about the project.  Wells
letter is published here, unedited.  The site contains an edited version.  You
go Jeff!!

Dave,
Very intriguing, Dave.  "Spiderman" and Cameron and MGM and the weasels at
21st Century and yaddah-yaddah-yaddah.  Just one question:  Who gives a rat's
ass?

Has it occured to anyone how totally lame and old-shoe and one-dimensional ALL
movies based on comic-book characters have been in recent years?  They are the
single worst obsession to come out of the under 35's who are writing,
directing and pushing for green-lights these days.  This is strictly a GenX
thing here and it's like a pestilence.  God save us from another Mike DeLuca
brainstorm along these lines.

This is because they are (a) repetitive, (b) about infantile masturbatory boy-
fan-
tasies, and (c) terminally '80s.  Costumed heroes-vs.-villains is the same old
story every friggin' time.  The submerged alter-ego of a conflicted
personality
stands up to and ultimately triumphs over evil.  And that's....IT!  How many
times
are audiences expected to sift through the same dog-eared baseball cards?
Spiderman is a bit more young-guy juvenile and hung up than the others.  Well,
whoop-dee-doo for knocking our socks off!

I cringe at the thought of Cameron regressing from the growth spurt of
"Titanic" to do this thing.  I lament that Bryan Singer is doing "X-Men."  I
hated "Spawn."  I was intrigued by "The Crow" but not to any great extent.
"Batman and Robin" was one of the most repulsive extravaganzas in H'wood
history.  I refuse to see a free screening of  "Blade" because I just can't
take this shit anymore. Some have said that the "Superman" films have aged
well, but they were never more than marginally diverting, in my view.

The basic problem with comic-book hero movies right now isn't so much that
movies about titanic good-vs-evil confrontations and phantasmagoria and
intensely rendered mirror-image visions of urban horror (have you noticed that
ALL these movies take place in the essentially the same expressionistic city,
i.e., Noir Town?) tend to bring out in screenwriters and directors the same
self-referential, self-mocking, heh-heh, we've-been-here-before-but-THIS-time-
we're-going-to-be-MUCH-more-clever-than-the-last-flick-about-an-anguished-all-
too-human-superhero.

The problem, now, is that these production-design-for-their-own-sake-because-
the-plot-and-character-points-have-been-done-to-death-thrity-seven-times-
before movies are OVER.  They're deader than dead.  Raw, minimalist realism is
the new thing, as the breathtaking opening 25 minutes of "Saving Private Ryan"
gave us a taste of.  That movie wasn't the end-all and be-all, but it sure as
hell made the proponents of stylized violence and stylized storytelling seem
like yesterday's pasta.

I never, EVER want to see again a stylishly decked-out, over-coiffed super-
villain cackling and smirking and double-entendre-ing his or her way through a
cynical, over-preening, self-absorbed perf in a super-hero movie, once again
delighted at his or her unregenerate evil (born of Nicholson's Jack Torrance
in "The Shining" 18 years ago, and amped up by Jack with his Joker perf in
"Batman" 7 years later).  Pleeeeese, enough is enough is enough!  Pared-to-
the-bone realism with real-death and real-consequences endured by real-people-
with-a-semblance-of-gray-matter-between-their-ears is where it's at for any
director or producer with the slightest interest in wanting to play it cutting
edge.

And while we're at it let's call a moratorium on calling-attention-to-
themselves CGI
shots, because I'm getting sick to death of these too.  I hate it when
filmmakers show you a CGI shot and you say to yourself, "Hmmm...pretty good
CGI"  I want to believe in at least a semblance of actual biological reality
when I see a film, as I did in that mind-blowing Omaha Beach sequence, which
of course used CGI here and there but sparingly and "realistically."  To
paraphrase Samuel Johnson, in today's Hollywood CGI shots-for-their-own-sake
are truly the last refuge of a scoundrel.


BOXOFFICE CHART   "Hollywood's Horse Race... and they're off!"
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Weekend of August 21-23, Source: Exhibitor Relations Co.
1/New BLADE $17.0
2/     1 SAVING PRIVATE RYAN $10.1/$142.7
3/     4 THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY $7.9/$104.2
4/     2 HOW STELLA GOT HER GROOVE BACK $6.6/$22.3
5/     5 SNAKE EYES $5.1/$40.6
6/New DEAD MAN ON CAMPUS $4.7
7/New DANCE WITH ME $4.5
7/     7 EVER AFTER $4.5/$42.3
9/     8 THE PARENT TRAP $3.8/$51.1
10/   6 HALLOWEEN: H2O $3.7/$47.2
-/     3 THE AVENGERS $3.55/$18
-/New WRONGFULLY ACCUSED $3.4


PICKS OF THE WEEK   "Stuff we wanna plug."
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INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL:
The Detroit International Film Festival is looking for unique visions on film
and video.  "...creating a vital center for independent filmmaking in
Detroit."  This is the new incarnation of the Metropolitan Film Festival, now
in it's 7th year. Any format, any genre, any length.  Films by and for a
diverse ethnic community.  Competition for Shorts & Features.  Beyond the
competition, this year's festival features many exciting highlights, including
an opening night Lifetime Achievement Awards Ceremony honoring legendary
Detroit novelist and screenwriter Elmore Leonard.  The ceremony will be hosted
by nationally-renown filmmakers influenced by Mr. Leonard's work.  This kick-
off, followed by a weekend of intriguing film, information-packed conferences
and gala parties.  HURRY!  Deadline: 8-31-98.  Festival to be held Nov. 5-8th.
Call 313-255-0098 or email: [e-mail]
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INDIE FILM FESTIVAL:
The Austin Cinemaker Co-Op has a cool contest.  Enter your film in the Cheap
and out of Focus competition.  Get the details:
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WEB SITE:
The Hedtec Moving Pictures, LTD web site offers critique, information, and
ideas about filmmaking.  They have created a "shell" for filmmakers to bring
and exchange information.  An online searchable database offers users the
opportunity to post their resume. The goal is to have a large working database
of filmmakers around the world.  The site also offers chat rooms, bulletin
boards, and an interactive links page.  Cool free stuff.
http://www.hedtec.com


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From five stars "Perfect! * * * * *" to one star "Crap! *" here's the lowdown.

BLADE (R)
* * * 1/2
(http://www.lycos.com/blade)
In the past week I've attended a Q & A with John Carpenter for "Vampires", a Q
& A with nearly the entire cast of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", two Bauhaus
reunion concerts and finally a screening of "Blade".  I have now successfully
completed Vampirathon '98.  The "Buffy" panel was mainly a lot of crying,
awkward teenage girls and creator Joss Whedon saying, "I can't tell you
anything about next season."  The John Carpenter thingee went something like
this:
   Audience member: "Dude! 'The Thing' is the best horror movie ever!"
   JC: "So what's your f**king question?"
  This brings us to "Blade".  Based on the somewhat obscure Marvel Comics
character of the 1970's, "Blade" (Wesley Snipes) is a human/vampire hybrid
created at his birth as his mother died from a vampire attack.  Possessing the
speed, strength, and healing abilities of the creatures, he is also unharmed
by sunlight, silver and garlic.  He does, however, have their thirst for
blood.  He know moves from city to city, attempting to cleanse them of
bloodsuckers.  This time around, he nemesis in Deacon Frost (Stephen Dorff),
who wants to become some sort of super-vampire (if this were Japanese, it
would be Mecha-Vampire).  The whole thing is an excuse for lots of Gothic
atmoshpere, techno, and Kung Fu.
   I don't know about you, but when I've been partying all weekend and it's
around 2pm on Sunday, I'm not really in the mood for a Merchant/Ivory picture
(then again, I'm never actually in the mood for a Merchant/Ivory picture).  I
just want pretty colors, minimal dialog, and lot's of ass-kickin'.  There
should be AKN, the "Ass Kickin' Network". Instead of the old guy from AMC, you
could have Don "the Dragon" Wilson presenting color commentary, and the
evening highlight would be "Blade".  It delivers the goods.  Does it
completely make sense?  Of course not, but it actually builds on itself until
the end and for one or two brief moments, nearly works as a horror film.  The
Director, Stephen Norrington, and Snipes, who also acts as producer, took this
project very seriously.  Norrington tries to get arty, and not all of the
action works, but it hits most of the time, and the filmmakers succeed in
hinting at a larger framework and vampire society outside of the film itself.
At least somebody can make a superhero picture without screwing it up, and
props to New Line for letting the film clock in with an R rating.
   The only negative is the audience apparently found an alternative way to
serve out their detention time, as it was the same bunch of idiot hip gangster
wannabes who were at the "Halloween" screening.  It is amazing how each
successive generation knows instinctively how to annoy the previous one. Shut
the f--k up, I'm hungover and trying to watch the movie. - Ron Wells


DIY FILMMAKING:  "War Stories from the Frontlines of Filmmaking"
===========================================
Here we present another chapter in our continuing series focusing on the
trials and tribulations of making independent films.  These War Stories from
filmmakers who slaved to get it done will tear at your heart and might even
make you cry.  (Not really, but it sounds good to say that.)  Battle on indie
filmmakers!

INTERVIEW WITH FILMMAKER: Mike Branum, writer/director

WHAT'S YOUR STORY?
I don't have film school experience. I just know what I like. I came down here
from the Bay Area to work in post sound, and eventually got "The Bug" to
direct. It didn't take very long, since I had been doing it at my little home
studio (Hoopty Studios) for quite a while, and even though it was dumb little
projects, it eventually grew to dumb big projects. I love movies, and I get
inspired by them. In the case of "The Big Ring" I was kind of inspired by
Buster Keaton, Suzuki Seijun, and Hong Kong action cinema. I'm just an idiot
playing director. It's fun.

WHAT'S UP WITH THAT TITLE?
"The Big Ring" is about this tweaky chick who finds a ring that just happens
to belong to some really bad people. She takes it up to her apartment to show
her boyfriend, but the bad guys follow her, hold her hostage, and attempt to
get the ring back. She breaks free and escapes, but eventually there's a
showdown.

WHAT WAS YOUR BUDGET, SCHEDULE?
The budget was originally gonna be $0. I ran into a problem, though. I needed
to buy film stock. That cost $20 (it's shot on MiniDV), and then I had to get
6 bananas, which, at 7-Eleven, was about $3.50. Expenses on movies are
ridiculous. I used to make them for no money, with recycled stock, but not any
more. In fact, it was a rule that if I couldn't do something for free, then I
would re-write until I found a free way to do it. For example....I wanted to
use real guns at the end of the movie, but I didn't know anyone who had a
cache of guns laying around, so I used bananas instead. Then I tried to figure
out a way to make the banana's act more like real guns. That didn't work. The
locations were both only 6 blocks away from each other, and it was essentially
shot in sequence (somebody from film school told me you shouldn't do that).
The whole thing took about 4 hours to shoot. Then I took it to my master
mechanic Troy Takaki, and he made it all make sense, editing it in about 4
hours. There were a few tricks, but nothing spectacular, and we made sure to
keep the running time down to about 4 minutes. Then I took it to my work,
added sound fx, music, and ADR that we recorded at my home studio, and did the
sound edit and mix in about 4 hours.

DID YOU SACRIFICE ANYTHING BECAUSE OF BUDGET?
Since I go into a project trying to figure out how to make it for no money, I
don't really sacrifice anything. Sure, I'd love to have a nice big $1000
budget, but I think I would end up wasting it on frivolous things. Either
that, or I'd have the movie done for EXACTLY $1000. I did want to do a car
chase through the streets of Venice, but I didn't have gas money to put into
Troy's truck. I ended up scrapping the whole scene. I would'a been great.
Also, we had this idea to do some CGI, but we couldn't find anywhere to put it
in. Plus, my hands are kind of tied as far as when a project gets done, since
I borrow Avids to cut with, and I usually have to do it on weekends or after
hours.

WHY DID YOU DO IT?
Because we had some cool costumes, and nobody had anything to do that weekend.
Plus, I needed an excuse to film a girl playing an accordion. Also, Victoria
Haas ("Attack Of The 50 Foot Woman", Midol commercial spokesperson) agreed to
do the next project with me, and I couldn't pass that up. She's great, and
much fun to work with.

STATUS OF THE FILM?
It's done. Now it sits in my house, and I give copies to people I know as
often as possible. Because of it's running time (about 4 minutes) there's not
much I can do with it. I sent it out to the CinemaTexas Film Fest so that they
could have some extra tape stock in case they needed to copy something.

ANY ADVICE OF PEARLS OF FILMMAKING WISDOM?
Any movie that costs over $100 costs too much. Plus, if you can help it, try
not to use any more than one real actor....that way you don't have personality
and ego problems. Of course, that wouldn't work with just anyone, but in my
case it does.

WAS IT WORTH IT?
Oh yeah, but I doubt I'll make my money back. I can't stop making them now. My
wife is trying to make me not think about the next movie until at least the
current one is done. I've got a whole slew of ideas, and my friends are
getting more and more into it, so I'm sure there'll be more Hoopty movies.

WHAT'S NEXT?
I'm almost done with the next Hoopty Movie. It's called "Gigantica And The
Planet Of The She-Monsters." It's a mixture of Sci-fi/Edward D. Wood Jr./Ray
Harryhausen and beach party movies. Put it all in a blender and put on puree.
It should be ready in about 3 weeks. It's already way over budget, costing a
whopping 40 bux so far.

To find out more, surf over to:
http://members.aol.com/hooptyman/hoopty.html

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AN INDIE PRODUCTION DIARY (OR WHAT WE DID ON OUR SUMMER VACATION)
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by Merle Bertrand

Thursday August 13, 1998

    In case you haven't been glued to the Weather Channel these last two months,
the entire state of Texas has been declared a National Disaster Area.  A
severe drought combined with a killer heat wave has been making life miserable
here for weeks.  All of which makes the fact that we spent most of the first
week dodging raindrops cruelly ironic.  At least the scene with the cloudy
gray skies was supposed to be a Victorian England dream sequence...
     So, if anyone's ever been curious, yes, Day One is BY FAR the single most
difficult day to get through in a production.  We started off "Adam and Ollie"
with a 45 minute camera delay... which gave us plenty of time to sort out the
ysterious electrical problem that completely knocked out our lights, a
persistently intermittent buzz in one of our lavaliere mics, and the two
bubbas who showed up to dig a new sewer line right in the middle of our
location.  (That was an amusing conversation:  TONY:  Does your equipment make
noise?  BUBBA #1:  Yep.  BUBBA #2:  And it'll most likely spray, too.")
     But we regrouped from our sluggish start to survive one of the most
grueling production weeks I've ever experienced.  When the rains finally
cleared, the Sun returned with a vengeance and we blistered under the solar
microwave with a couple of hundred extras during our climactic rally scene.
     The main thing is, after a hellacious first week of flying pudding,
bodies hurled into trash heaps, and croquet balls ricocheting into foreheads,
(it's a romantic comedy, I swear!), we're still standing and all the dailies
look excellent.  Six days down and twelve to go.

Next Week:  Week Two of Shooting


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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] MV ?'s
Date: 24 Aug 1998 01:28:20 -0400

Has anyone seen Return to Paradise? Any opinions on it??

Regards
Megan

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Subject: RE: [MV] Return to Paradise
Date: 24 Aug 1998 07:42:23 -0700



'Meyers, Megan' <[e-mail]> Wrote
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Has anyone seen Return to Paradise? Any opinions on it??

Return to Paradise is one of the few movies I can recommend without
reservation this summer. It has real, human characters facing
a moral dilemma that would confound anyone, and the film never
takes the expected route. Vince Vaughn and Anne Heche are fabulous
-- they're both interesting and intelligent actors. Joaquin Phoenix
is also excellent, in a smaller but challenging role.

My full review will be up by Monday afternoon at http://www.flickfilosopher.com/flickfilos.

MaryAnn

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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Which movie should I watch this weekend?
Date: 24 Aug 1998 11:37:23 -0700



> -----Original Message-----
> From:    David Lee [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Friday, August 21, 1998 8:34 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    [MV] Which movie should I watch this weekend?
>
> Harlow, people...
>
> I have a dilemma... given that school has started, I'm limited to only one
> movie over the weekend... and here are the choices available...
>
> a) Horse Whisperer
> b) The Avengers
> c) Hope Floats
>
> Could anybody help me make an informed decision? I know there's been a lot
> of bad publicity for The Avengers, but just like to see Ralph Fiennes and
> Uma Thurman. Do you think it'll be worth it if that's all I'm expecting
> from it?
    [Romero, Leticia]  If all you want is to see Ralph and Uma, stare at
the poster -- it would be more worthwhile!!
>

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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Lethal Weapon 4
Date: 24 Aug 1998 11:53:05 -0700

JET LI ROCKS!!  This is the first time he has ever played a bad guy, and boy
was he bad!!  I was introduced to his work about a year ago, and I have put
him on the shelf ABOVE Jackie Chan!  (Even though the camera work
overemphisizes his energy just a bit).  I was slightly disappointed with
LW4's editing of the final fight seen -- it was a bit confusing as to who
was hitting who.  But all and all, it was a great performance.  When is the
western world going to discover Tony Leung?!!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    [e-mail] [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Sunday, August 23, 1998 7:06 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    [MV] Lethal Weapon 4
>
> Good day to you,
>
> I am sure that the majority of you have seen Lethal Weapon 4. I was
> wondering what you thought of Jet Li's performance in the movie. As an
> Asian, I am curious about the westerners' point of view on his
> performance. Heck, I guess it need not be just the westerners, how about
> everyone for that matter?
>
> I thought his fighting sequence was wonderful. Most memorable was the
> sequence when he and his goons were in Danny Glover's house holding Rene
> Russo hostage.
>
> So, what do you think of Jet Li?
>
> Wong
> [e-mail]
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] MV ?'s
Date: 24 Aug 1998 11:54:36 -0700

My mother thought it was fabulous...

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> Has anyone seen Return to Paradise? Any opinions on it??
>
> Regards
> Megan
>
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] FILM THREAT WEEKLY : 8-24-98  : Slate II, Take 35
Date: 24 Aug 1998 11:55:56 -0700


> "A man who lies cannot love."
> - Louis Jordan informing Leslie Caron in in Vincente Minelli's "Gigi."
    [Romero, Leticia]   this was also Goldie Hawn in "Cactus Flower"
> <===========Deluxe======Widescreen======Edition ===========>
>
> THIS WEEK   "Right here, right now."
> ===========================================
> --> NEWS: Where objectivity is strangely absent.
> --> BOXOFFICE CHART: Who's number one at the boxoffice?
> --> PICKS OF THE WEEK: A load of plugs.
> --> BIG SCREEN: Blade, and that's it.
> --> DIY FILMMAKING: Filmmaker War Stories
> --> AN INDIE PRODUCTION DIARY: The adventure continues...
>
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> ===========================================
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> at:
> http://www.filmthreat.com/Dailies-Today.htm
>
> SPIDER-MAN RANT
> James Cameron's proposed "Spider-Man" film may be getting closer to
> reality as
> the legal-mumbo-jumbo surrounding the project gets resolved, but not
> everyone
> is pleased.  The always entertaining Jeffrey Wells sent this missive to
> the
> Rough Cut Online web site in response to a news item about the project.
> Wells
> letter is published here, unedited.  The site contains an edited version.
> You
> go Jeff!!
>
> Dave,
> Very intriguing, Dave.  "Spiderman" and Cameron and MGM and the weasels at
> 21st Century and yaddah-yaddah-yaddah.  Just one question:  Who gives a
> rat's
> ass?
>
> Has it occured to anyone how totally lame and old-shoe and one-dimensional
> ALL
> movies based on comic-book characters have been in recent years?  They are
> the
> single worst obsession to come out of the under 35's who are writing,
> directing and pushing for green-lights these days.  This is strictly a
> GenX
> thing here and it's like a pestilence.  God save us from another Mike
> DeLuca
> brainstorm along these lines.
>
> This is because they are (a) repetitive, (b) about infantile masturbatory
> boy-
> fan-
> tasies, and (c) terminally '80s.  Costumed heroes-vs.-villains is the same
> old
> story every friggin' time.  The submerged alter-ego of a conflicted
> personality
> stands up to and ultimately triumphs over evil.  And that's....IT!  How
> many
> times
> are audiences expected to sift through the same dog-eared baseball cards?
> Spiderman is a bit more young-guy juvenile and hung up than the others.
> Well,
> whoop-dee-doo for knocking our socks off!
>
> I cringe at the thought of Cameron regressing from the growth spurt of
> "Titanic" to do this thing.  I lament that Bryan Singer is doing "X-Men."
> I
> hated "Spawn."  I was intrigued by "The Crow" but not to any great extent.
> "Batman and Robin" was one of the most repulsive extravaganzas in H'wood
> history.  I refuse to see a free screening of  "Blade" because I just
> can't
> take this shit anymore. Some have said that the "Superman" films have aged
> well, but they were never more than marginally diverting, in my view.
>
> The basic problem with comic-book hero movies right now isn't so much that
> movies about titanic good-vs-evil confrontations and phantasmagoria and
> intensely rendered mirror-image visions of urban horror (have you noticed
> that
> ALL these movies take place in the essentially the same expressionistic
> city,
> i.e., Noir Town?) tend to bring out in screenwriters and directors the
> same
> self-referential, self-mocking, heh-heh,
> we've-been-here-before-but-THIS-time-
> we're-going-to-be-MUCH-more-clever-than-the-last-flick-about-an-anguished-
> all-
> too-human-superhero.
>
> The problem, now, is that these
> production-design-for-their-own-sake-because-
> the-plot-and-character-points-have-been-done-to-death-thrity-seven-times-
> before movies are OVER.  They're deader than dead.  Raw, minimalist
> realism is
> the new thing, as the breathtaking opening 25 minutes of "Saving Private
> Ryan"
> gave us a taste of.  That movie wasn't the end-all and be-all, but it sure
> as
> hell made the proponents of stylized violence and stylized storytelling
> seem
> like yesterday's pasta.
>
> I never, EVER want to see again a stylishly decked-out, over-coiffed
> super-
> villain cackling and smirking and double-entendre-ing his or her way
> through a
> cynical, over-preening, self-absorbed perf in a super-hero movie, once
> again
> delighted at his or her unregenerate evil (born of Nicholson's Jack
> Torrance
> in "The Shining" 18 years ago, and amped up by Jack with his Joker perf in
> "Batman" 7 years later).  Pleeeeese, enough is enough is enough!
> Pared-to-
> the-bone realism with real-death and real-consequences endured by
> real-people-
> with-a-semblance-of-gray-matter-between-their-ears is where it's at for
> any
> director or producer with the slightest interest in wanting to play it
> cutting
> edge.
>
> And while we're at it let's call a moratorium on calling-attention-to-
> themselves CGI
> shots, because I'm getting sick to death of these too.  I hate it when
> filmmakers show you a CGI shot and you say to yourself, "Hmmm...pretty
> good
> CGI"  I want to believe in at least a semblance of actual biological
> reality
> when I see a film, as I did in that mind-blowing Omaha Beach sequence,
> which
> of course used CGI here and there but sparingly and "realistically."  To
> paraphrase Samuel Johnson, in today's Hollywood CGI
> shots-for-their-own-sake
> are truly the last refuge of a scoundrel.
>
>
> BOXOFFICE CHART   "Hollywood's Horse Race... and they're off!"
> ===========================================
> Weekend of August 21-23, Source: Exhibitor Relations Co.
> 1/New BLADE $17.0
> 2/     1 SAVING PRIVATE RYAN $10.1/$142.7
> 3/     4 THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY $7.9/$104.2
> 4/     2 HOW STELLA GOT HER GROOVE BACK $6.6/$22.3
> 5/     5 SNAKE EYES $5.1/$40.6
> 6/New DEAD MAN ON CAMPUS $4.7
> 7/New DANCE WITH ME $4.5
> 7/     7 EVER AFTER $4.5/$42.3
> 9/     8 THE PARENT TRAP $3.8/$51.1
> 10/   6 HALLOWEEN: H2O $3.7/$47.2
> -/     3 THE AVENGERS $3.55/$18
> -/New WRONGFULLY ACCUSED $3.4
>
>
> PICKS OF THE WEEK   "Stuff we wanna plug."
> ===========================================
> INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL:
> The Detroit International Film Festival is looking for unique visions on
> film
> and video.  "...creating a vital center for independent filmmaking in
> Detroit."  This is the new incarnation of the Metropolitan Film Festival,
> now
> in it's 7th year. Any format, any genre, any length.  Films by and for a
> diverse ethnic community.  Competition for Shorts & Features.  Beyond the
> competition, this year's festival features many exciting highlights,
> including
> an opening night Lifetime Achievement Awards Ceremony honoring legendary
> Detroit novelist and screenwriter Elmore Leonard.  The ceremony will be
> hosted
> by nationally-renown filmmakers influenced by Mr. Leonard's work.  This
> kick-
> off, followed by a weekend of intriguing film, information-packed
> conferences
> and gala parties.  HURRY!  Deadline: 8-31-98.  Festival to be held Nov.
> 5-8th.
> Call 313-255-0098 or email: [e-mail]
> http://www.detroitfilm.org
>
> INDIE FILM FESTIVAL:
> The Austin Cinemaker Co-Op has a cool contest.  Enter your film in the
> Cheap
> and out of Focus competition.  Get the details:
> http://www.cinemaker.austin.tx.us/announcements.html
>
> WEB SITE:
> The Hedtec Moving Pictures, LTD web site offers critique, information, and
> ideas about filmmaking.  They have created a "shell" for filmmakers to
> bring
> and exchange information.  An online searchable database offers users the
> opportunity to post their resume. The goal is to have a large working
> database
> of filmmakers around the world.  The site also offers chat rooms, bulletin
> boards, and an interactive links page.  Cool free stuff.
> http://www.hedtec.com
>
>
> BIG SCREEN   "Coming Soon to a Theater Near You"
> ===========================================
> From five stars "Perfect! * * * * *" to one star "Crap! *" here's the
> lowdown.
>
> BLADE (R)
> * * * 1/2
> (http://www.lycos.com/blade)
> In the past week I've attended a Q & A with John Carpenter for "Vampires",
> a Q
> & A with nearly the entire cast of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", two Bauhaus
> reunion concerts and finally a screening of "Blade".  I have now
> successfully
> completed Vampirathon '98.  The "Buffy" panel was mainly a lot of crying,
> awkward teenage girls and creator Joss Whedon saying, "I can't tell you
> anything about next season."  The John Carpenter thingee went something
> like
> this:
>    Audience member: "Dude! 'The Thing' is the best horror movie ever!"
>    JC: "So what's your f**king question?"
>   This brings us to "Blade".  Based on the somewhat obscure Marvel Comics
> character of the 1970's, "Blade" (Wesley Snipes) is a human/vampire hybrid
> created at his birth as his mother died from a vampire attack.  Possessing
> the
> speed, strength, and healing abilities of the creatures, he is also
> unharmed
> by sunlight, silver and garlic.  He does, however, have their thirst for
> blood.  He know moves from city to city, attempting to cleanse them of
> bloodsuckers.  This time around, he nemesis in Deacon Frost (Stephen
> Dorff),
> who wants to become some sort of super-vampire (if this were Japanese, it
> would be Mecha-Vampire).  The whole thing is an excuse for lots of Gothic
> atmoshpere, techno, and Kung Fu.
>    I don't know about you, but when I've been partying all weekend and
> it's
> around 2pm on Sunday, I'm not really in the mood for a Merchant/Ivory
> picture
> (then again, I'm never actually in the mood for a Merchant/Ivory picture).
> I
> just want pretty colors, minimal dialog, and lot's of ass-kickin'.  There
> should be AKN, the "Ass Kickin' Network". Instead of the old guy from AMC,
> you
> could have Don "the Dragon" Wilson presenting color commentary, and the
> evening highlight would be "Blade".  It delivers the goods.  Does it
> completely make sense?  Of course not, but it actually builds on itself
> until
> the end and for one or two brief moments, nearly works as a horror film.
> The
> Director, Stephen Norrington, and Snipes, who also acts as producer, took
> this
> project very seriously.  Norrington tries to get arty, and not all of the
> action works, but it hits most of the time, and the filmmakers succeed in
> hinting at a larger framework and vampire society outside of the film
> itself.
> At least somebody can make a superhero picture without screwing it up, and
> props to New Line for letting the film clock in with an R rating.
>    The only negative is the audience apparently found an alternative way
> to
> serve out their detention time, as it was the same bunch of idiot hip
> gangster
> wannabes who were at the "Halloween" screening.  It is amazing how each
> successive generation knows instinctively how to annoy the previous one.
> Shut
> the f--k up, I'm hungover and trying to watch the movie. - Ron Wells
>
>
> DIY FILMMAKING:  "War Stories from the Frontlines of Filmmaking"
> ===========================================
> Here we present another chapter in our continuing series focusing on the
> trials and tribulations of making independent films.  These War Stories
> from
> filmmakers who slaved to get it done will tear at your heart and might
> even
> make you cry.  (Not really, but it sounds good to say that.)  Battle on
> indie
> filmmakers!
>
> INTERVIEW WITH FILMMAKER: Mike Branum, writer/director
>
> WHAT'S YOUR STORY?
> I don't have film school experience. I just know what I like. I came down
> here
> from the Bay Area to work in post sound, and eventually got "The Bug" to
> direct. It didn't take very long, since I had been doing it at my little
> home
> studio (Hoopty Studios) for quite a while, and even though it was dumb
> little
> projects, it eventually grew to dumb big projects. I love movies, and I
> get
> inspired by them. In the case of "The Big Ring" I was kind of inspired by
> Buster Keaton, Suzuki Seijun, and Hong Kong action cinema. I'm just an
> idiot
> playing director. It's fun.
>
> WHAT'S UP WITH THAT TITLE?
> "The Big Ring" is about this tweaky chick who finds a ring that just
> happens
> to belong to some really bad people. She takes it up to her apartment to
> show
> her boyfriend, but the bad guys follow her, hold her hostage, and attempt
> to
> get the ring back. She breaks free and escapes, but eventually there's a
> showdown.
>
> WHAT WAS YOUR BUDGET, SCHEDULE?
> The budget was originally gonna be $0. I ran into a problem, though. I
> needed
> to buy film stock. That cost $20 (it's shot on MiniDV), and then I had to
> get
> 6 bananas, which, at 7-Eleven, was about $3.50. Expenses on movies are
> ridiculous. I used to make them for no money, with recycled stock, but not
> any
> more. In fact, it was a rule that if I couldn't do something for free,
> then I
> would re-write until I found a free way to do it. For example....I wanted
> to
> use real guns at the end of the movie, but I didn't know anyone who had a
> cache of guns laying around, so I used bananas instead. Then I tried to
> figure
> out a way to make the banana's act more like real guns. That didn't work.
> The
> locations were both only 6 blocks away from each other, and it was
> essentially
> shot in sequence (somebody from film school told me you shouldn't do
> that).
> The whole thing took about 4 hours to shoot. Then I took it to my master
> mechanic Troy Takaki, and he made it all make sense, editing it in about 4
> hours. There were a few tricks, but nothing spectacular, and we made sure
> to
> keep the running time down to about 4 minutes. Then I took it to my work,
> added sound fx, music, and ADR that we recorded at my home studio, and did
> the
> sound edit and mix in about 4 hours.
>
> DID YOU SACRIFICE ANYTHING BECAUSE OF BUDGET?
> Since I go into a project trying to figure out how to make it for no
> money, I
> don't really sacrifice anything. Sure, I'd love to have a nice big $1000
> budget, but I think I would end up wasting it on frivolous things. Either
> that, or I'd have the movie done for EXACTLY $1000. I did want to do a car
> chase through the streets of Venice, but I didn't have gas money to put
> into
> Troy's truck. I ended up scrapping the whole scene. I would'a been great.
> Also, we had this idea to do some CGI, but we couldn't find anywhere to
> put it
> in. Plus, my hands are kind of tied as far as when a project gets done,
> since
> I borrow Avids to cut with, and I usually have to do it on weekends or
> after
> hours.
>
> WHY DID YOU DO IT?
> Because we had some cool costumes, and nobody had anything to do that
> weekend.
> Plus, I needed an excuse to film a girl playing an accordion. Also,
> Victoria
> Haas ("Attack Of The 50 Foot Woman", Midol commercial spokesperson) agreed
> to
> do the next project with me, and I couldn't pass that up. She's great, and
> much fun to work with.
>
> STATUS OF THE FILM?
> It's done. Now it sits in my house, and I give copies to people I know as
> often as possible. Because of it's running time (about 4 minutes) there's
> not
> much I can do with it. I sent it out to the CinemaTexas Film Fest so that
> they
> could have some extra tape stock in case they needed to copy something.
>
> ANY ADVICE OF PEARLS OF FILMMAKING WISDOM?
> Any movie that costs over $100 costs too much. Plus, if you can help it,
> try
> not to use any more than one real actor....that way you don't have
> personality
> and ego problems. Of course, that wouldn't work with just anyone, but in
> my
> case it does.
>
> WAS IT WORTH IT?
> Oh yeah, but I doubt I'll make my money back. I can't stop making them
> now. My
> wife is trying to make me not think about the next movie until at least
> the
> current one is done. I've got a whole slew of ideas, and my friends are
> getting more and more into it, so I'm sure there'll be more Hoopty movies.
>
> WHAT'S NEXT?
> I'm almost done with the next Hoopty Movie. It's called "Gigantica And The
> Planet Of The She-Monsters." It's a mixture of Sci-fi/Edward D. Wood
> Jr./Ray
> Harryhausen and beach party movies. Put it all in a blender and put on
> puree.
> It should be ready in about 3 weeks. It's already way over budget, costing
> a
> whopping 40 bux so far.
>
> To find out more, surf over to:
> http://members.aol.com/hooptyman/hoopty.html
>
> FILMMAKERS:  Hey!  How come my film isn't in this column?!!  E-mail your
> tales
> to [e-mail] and answer the basic questions above.  Send
> us a
> copy of your film on video and if it sounds cool, we'll run a story about
> your
> movie!  Send VHS review copies to: Film Threat, 5042 Wilshire Blvd., Suite
> 150, Los Angeles, CA 90036
>
>
> AN INDIE PRODUCTION DIARY (OR WHAT WE DID ON OUR SUMMER VACATION)
> ===========================================
> by Merle Bertrand
>
> Thursday August 13, 1998
>
>     In case you haven't been glued to the Weather Channel these last two
> months,
> the entire state of Texas has been declared a National Disaster Area.  A
> severe drought combined with a killer heat wave has been making life
> miserable
> here for weeks.  All of which makes the fact that we spent most of the
> first
> week dodging raindrops cruelly ironic.  At least the scene with the cloudy
> gray skies was supposed to be a Victorian England dream sequence...
>      So, if anyone's ever been curious, yes, Day One is BY FAR the single
> most
> difficult day to get through in a production.  We started off "Adam and
> Ollie"
> with a 45 minute camera delay... which gave us plenty of time to sort out
> the
> ysterious electrical problem that completely knocked out our lights, a
> persistently intermittent buzz in one of our lavaliere mics, and the two
> bubbas who showed up to dig a new sewer line right in the middle of our
> location.  (That was an amusing conversation:  TONY:  Does your equipment
> make
> noise?  BUBBA #1:  Yep.  BUBBA #2:  And it'll most likely spray, too.")
>      But we regrouped from our sluggish start to survive one of the most
> grueling production weeks I've ever experienced.  When the rains finally
> cleared, the Sun returned with a vengeance and we blistered under the
> solar
> microwave with a couple of hundred extras during our climactic rally
> scene.
>      The main thing is, after a hellacious first week of flying pudding,
> bodies hurled into trash heaps, and croquet balls ricocheting into
> foreheads,
> (it's a romantic comedy, I swear!), we're still standing and all the
> dailies
> look excellent.  Six days down and twelve to go.
>
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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/24/98
Date: 24 Aug 1998 13:18:28 -0600 (MDT)

The martial arts vampire movie "Blade" toppled "Saving
Private Ryan" from its four-week reign over the box office,
while "There's Something About Mary" became the ninth summer
film to surpass $100 million, according to industry
estimates. "Blade," with Wesley Snipes starring as a
half-human action hero, took in $17 million in ticket sales
for its debut weekend. "Ryan" earned $10.1 million last
weekend, and it most likely will end up as the
second-biggest movie of the summer, after "Armageddon,"
which has taken in $185.1 million.

                        -=> * <=-

Meryl Streep has her reasons for keeping her four children
out of the limelight: so she can sue if they are ever
slandered or misrepresented in print. The Oscar-winning
actress tells Good Housekeeping magazine that she's proud
she hasn't "taken a picture with the kids, saying what a
fabulous mom I am." She goes on to say that as a celebrity
she understands she doesn't have any real "rights" as far as
the media is concerned. "They can write whatever they want
about me -- and they do," Streep says. But if a publication
does anything like that to her children, "I have recourse to
defend them. If I have publicized them in pictures, they
don't have any protections." The actress won an Oscar in
1980 for her performance in "Kramer vs. Kramer" and again in
1982 for "Sophie's Choice."

                        -=> * <=-

Nick Stahl nearly stole this summer's intriguing teen fright
flick "Disturbing Behavior" from his pretty co-stars, Katie
Holmes and James Marsden. Now he's on to even bigger
projects, notably Terence Malick's much buzzed about "The
Thin Red Line." In the World War II drama (set for release
around Christmas time) Stahl, 18, plays an Iowa farm boy
caught in the battle of Guadalcanal. Far from being in awe
of his heavy-hitting co-stars John Travolta, Sean Penn and
Nick Nolte, Stahl tells Interview magazine that what really
impressed him was director Malick. "He's such an intriguing
person. He can be quite abstract, but when he's filming he's
incredibly acute." Stahl first caught the attention of
filmgoers when he starred opposite Mel Gibson in 1993's "Man
Without a Face."

                        -=> * <=-

The Wesley Snipes action movie "Blade" ousted "Saving Private Ryan"
from the top of the North American weekend box office rankings,
according to studio estimates issued Sunday. "Blade" is based on the
Marvel comic book series about a half-human, half-vampire superhero.
It collected about $17 million in the Friday-to-Sunday period. Steven
Spielberg's "Private Ryan" garnered $10.1 million over the weekend,
ending a four-weekend stay at the top of the charts. "There's
Something About Mary" rose a notch to third in its sixth weekend,
earning about $7.9 million. "How Stella Got Her Groove Back" fell two
places to fourth in its second weekend with $6.6 million. "Snake
Eyes," a thriller starring Nicolas Cage and Gary Sinise, held steady
at fifth in its third weekend with $5.1 million.

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Subject: Re: [MV] FILM THREAT WEEKLY : 8-24-98  : Slate II, Take 35
Date: 24 Aug 1998 13:26:07 -0600

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> >
> > Has it occured to anyone how totally lame and old-shoe and one-dimens=
ional
> > ALL
> > movies based on comic-book characters have been in recent years?  The=
y are
> > the
> > single worst obsession to come out of the under 35's who are writing,=

> > directing and pushing for green-lights these days.  This is strictly =
a
> > GenX
> > thing here and it's like a pestilence.  God save us from another Mike=

> > DeLuca
> > brainstorm along these lines.
> >
> > This is because they are (a) repetitive, (b) about infantile masturba=
tory
> > boy-
> > fan-
> > tasies, and (c) terminally '80s.  Costumed heroes-vs.-villains is the=
 same
> > old
> > story every friggin' time.  The submerged alter-ego of a conflicted
> > personality
> > stands up to and ultimately triumphs over evil.  And that's....IT!  H=
ow
> > many
> > times
> > are audiences expected to sift through the same dog-eared baseball ca=
rds?
> > Spiderman is a bit more young-guy juvenile and hung up than the other=
s.
> > Well,
> > whoop-dee-doo for knocking our socks off!
> >
> > I cringe at the thought of Cameron regressing from the growth spurt o=
f
> > "Titanic" to do this thing.  I lament that Bryan Singer is doing "X-M=
en."
> > I
> > hated "Spawn."  I was intrigued by "The Crow" but not to any great ex=
tent.
> > "Batman and Robin" was one of the most repulsive extravaganzas in H'w=
ood
> > history.  I refuse to see a free screening of  "Blade" because I just=

> > can't
> > take this shit anymore. Some have said that the "Superman" films have=
 aged
> > well, but they were never more than marginally diverting, in my view.=

> >
> > The basic problem with comic-book hero movies right now isn't so much=
 that
> > movies about titanic good-vs-evil confrontations and phantasmagoria a=
nd
> > intensely rendered mirror-image visions of urban horror (have you not=
iced
> > that
> > ALL these movies take place in the essentially the same expressionist=
ic
> > city,
> > i.e., Noir Town?) tend to bring out in screenwriters and directors th=
e
> > same
> > self-referential, self-mocking, heh-heh,
> > we've-been-here-before-but-THIS-time-
> > we're-going-to-be-MUCH-more-clever-than-the-last-flick-about-an-angui=
shed-
> > all-
> > too-human-superhero.
> >
> > The problem, now, is that these
> > production-design-for-their-own-sake-because-
> > the-plot-and-character-points-have-been-done-to-death-thrity-seven-ti=
mes-
> > before movies are OVER.  They're deader than dead.  Raw, minimalist
> > realism is
> > the new thing, as the breathtaking opening 25 minutes of "Saving Priv=
ate
> > Ryan"
> > gave us a taste of.  That movie wasn't the end-all and be-all, but it=
 sure
> > as
> > hell made the proponents of stylized violence and stylized storytelli=
ng
> > seem
> > like yesterday's pasta.
> >
> > I never, EVER want to see again a stylishly decked-out, over-coiffed
> > super-
> > villain cackling and smirking and double-entendre-ing his or her way
> > through a
> > cynical, over-preening, self-absorbed perf in a super-hero movie, onc=
e
> > again
> > delighted at his or her unregenerate evil (born of Nicholson's Jack
> > Torrance
> > in "The Shining" 18 years ago, and amped up by Jack with his Joker pe=
rf in
> > "Batman" 7 years later).  Pleeeeese, enough is enough is enough!
> > Pared-to-
> > the-bone realism with real-death and real-consequences endured by
> > real-people-
> > with-a-semblance-of-gray-matter-between-their-ears is where it's at f=
or
> > any
> > director or producer with the slightest interest in wanting to play i=
t
> > cutting
> > edge.
> >
> > And while we're at it let's call a moratorium on calling-attention-to=
-
> > themselves CGI
> > shots, because I'm getting sick to death of these too.  I hate it whe=
n
> > filmmakers show you a CGI shot and you say to yourself, "Hmmm...prett=
y
> > good
> > CGI"  I want to believe in at least a semblance of actual biological
> > reality
> > when I see a film, as I did in that mind-blowing Omaha Beach sequence=
,
> > which
> > of course used CGI here and there but sparingly and "realistically." =
 To
> > paraphrase Samuel Johnson, in today's Hollywood CGI
> > shots-for-their-own-sake
> > are truly the last refuge of a scoundrel.
> >
> >
> > BOXOFFICE CHART   "Hollywood's Horse Race... and they're off!"
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> > Weekend of August 21-23, Source: Exhibitor Relations Co.
> > 1/New BLADE $17.0
> > 2/     1 SAVING PRIVATE RYAN $10.1/$142.7
> > 3/     4 THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY $7.9/$104.2
> > 4/     2 HOW STELLA GOT HER GROOVE BACK $6.6/$22.3
> > 5/     5 SNAKE EYES $5.1/$40.6
> > 6/New DEAD MAN ON CAMPUS $4.7
> > 7/New DANCE WITH ME $4.5
> > 7/     7 EVER AFTER $4.5/$42.3
> > 9/     8 THE PARENT TRAP $3.8/$51.1
> > 10/   6 HALLOWEEN: H2O $3.7/$47.2
> > -/     3 THE AVENGERS $3.55/$18
> > -/New WRONGFULLY ACCUSED $3.4
> >
> >
> > PICKS OF THE WEEK   "Stuff we wanna plug."
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> > INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL:
> > The Detroit International Film Festival is looking for unique visions=
 on
> > film
> > and video.  "...creating a vital center for independent filmmaking in=

> > Detroit."  This is the new incarnation of the Metropolitan Film Festi=
val,
> > now
> > in it's 7th year. Any format, any genre, any length.  Films by and fo=
r a
> > diverse ethnic community.  Competition for Shorts & Features.  Beyond=
 the
> > competition, this year's festival features many exciting highlights,
> > including
> > an opening night Lifetime Achievement Awards Ceremony honoring legend=
ary
> > Detroit novelist and screenwriter Elmore Leonard.  The ceremony will =
be
> > hosted
> > by nationally-renown filmmakers influenced by Mr. Leonard's work.  Th=
is
> > kick-
> > off, followed by a weekend of intriguing film, information-packed
> > conferences
> > and gala parties.  HURRY!  Deadline: 8-31-98.  Festival to be held No=
v.
> > 5-8th.
> > Call 313-255-0098 or email: [e-mail]
> > http://www.detroitfilm.org
> >
> > INDIE FILM FESTIVAL:
> > The Austin Cinemaker Co-Op has a cool contest.  Enter your film in th=
e
> > Cheap
> > and out of Focus competition.  Get the details:
> > http://www.cinemaker.austin.tx.us/announcements.html
> >
> > WEB SITE:
> > The Hedtec Moving Pictures, LTD web site offers critique, information=
, and
> > ideas about filmmaking.  They have created a "shell" for filmmakers t=
o
> > bring
> > and exchange information.  An online searchable database offers users=
 the
> > opportunity to post their resume. The goal is to have a large working=

> > database
> > of filmmakers around the world.  The site also offers chat rooms, bul=
letin
> > boards, and an interactive links page.  Cool free stuff.
> > http://www.hedtec.com
> >
> >
> > BIG SCREEN   "Coming Soon to a Theater Near You"
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> > From five stars "Perfect! * * * * *" to one star "Crap! *" here's the=

> > lowdown.
> >
> > BLADE (R)
> > * * * 1/2
> > (http://www.lycos.com/blade)
> > In the past week I've attended a Q & A with John Carpenter for "Vampi=
res",
> > a Q
> > & A with nearly the entire cast of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", two Ba=
uhaus
> > reunion concerts and finally a screening of "Blade".  I have now
> > successfully
> > completed Vampirathon '98.  The "Buffy" panel was mainly a lot of cry=
ing,
> > awkward teenage girls and creator Joss Whedon saying, "I can't tell y=
ou
> > anything about next season."  The John Carpenter thingee went somethi=
ng
> > like
> > this:
> >    Audience member: "Dude! 'The Thing' is the best horror movie ever!=
"
> >    JC: "So what's your f**king question?"
> >   This brings us to "Blade".  Based on the somewhat obscure Marvel Co=
mics
> > character of the 1970's, "Blade" (Wesley Snipes) is a human/vampire h=
ybrid
> > created at his birth as his mother died from a vampire attack.  Posse=
ssing
> > the
> > speed, strength, and healing abilities of the creatures, he is also
> > unharmed
> > by sunlight, silver and garlic.  He does, however, have their thirst =
for
> > blood.  He know moves from city to city, attempting to cleanse them o=
f
> > bloodsuckers.  This time around, he nemesis in Deacon Frost (Stephen
> > Dorff),
> > who wants to become some sort of super-vampire (if this were Japanese=
, it
> > would be Mecha-Vampire).  The whole thing is an excuse for lots of Go=
thic
> > atmoshpere, techno, and Kung Fu.
> >    I don't know about you, but when I've been partying all weekend an=
d
> > it's
> > around 2pm on Sunday, I'm not really in the mood for a Merchant/Ivory=

> > picture
> > (then again, I'm never actually in the mood for a Merchant/Ivory pict=
ure).
> > I
> > just want pretty colors, minimal dialog, and lot's of ass-kickin'.  T=
here
> > should be AKN, the "Ass Kickin' Network". Instead of the old guy from=
 AMC,
> > you
> > could have Don "the Dragon" Wilson presenting color commentary, and t=
he
> > evening highlight would be "Blade".  It delivers the goods.  Does it
> > completely make sense?  Of course not, but it actually builds on itse=
lf
> > until
> > the end and for one or two brief moments, nearly works as a horror fi=
lm.
> > The
> > Director, Stephen Norrington, and Snipes, who also acts as producer, =
took
> > this
> > project very seriously.  Norrington tries to get arty, and not all of=
 the
> > action works, but it hits most of the time, and the filmmakers succee=
d in
> > hinting at a larger framework and vampire society outside of the film=

> > itself.
> > At least somebody can make a superhero picture without screwing it up=
, and
> > props to New Line for letting the film clock in with an R rating.
> >    The only negative is the audience apparently found an alternative =
way
> > to
> > serve out their detention time, as it was the same bunch of idiot hip=

> > gangster
> > wannabes who were at the "Halloween" screening.  It is amazing how ea=
ch
> > successive generation knows instinctively how to annoy the previous o=
ne.
> > Shut
> > the f--k up, I'm hungover and trying to watch the movie. - Ron Wells
> >
> >
> > DIY FILMMAKING:  "War Stories from the Frontlines of Filmmaking"
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> > Here we present another chapter in our continuing series focusing on =
the
> > trials and tribulations of making independent films.  These War Stori=
es
> > from
> > filmmakers who slaved to get it done will tear at your heart and migh=
t
> > even
> > make you cry.  (Not really, but it sounds good to say that.)  Battle =
on
> > indie
> > filmmakers!
> >
> > INTERVIEW WITH FILMMAKER: Mike Branum, writer/director
> >
> > WHAT'S YOUR STORY?
> > I don't have film school experience. I just know what I like. I came =
down
> > here
> > from the Bay Area to work in post sound, and eventually got "The Bug"=
 to
> > direct. It didn't take very long, since I had been doing it at my lit=
tle
> > home
> > studio (Hoopty Studios) for quite a while, and even though it was dum=
b
> > little
> > projects, it eventually grew to dumb big projects. I love movies, and=
 I
> > get
> > inspired by them. In the case of "The Big Ring" I was kind of inspire=
d by
> > Buster Keaton, Suzuki Seijun, and Hong Kong action cinema. I'm just a=
n
> > idiot
> > playing director. It's fun.
> >
> > WHAT'S UP WITH THAT TITLE?
> > "The Big Ring" is about this tweaky chick who finds a ring that just
> > happens
> > to belong to some really bad people. She takes it up to her apartment=
 to
> > show
> > her boyfriend, but the bad guys follow her, hold her hostage, and att=
empt
> > to
> > get the ring back. She breaks free and escapes, but eventually there'=
s a
> > showdown.
> >
> > WHAT WAS YOUR BUDGET, SCHEDULE?
> > The budget was originally gonna be $0. I ran into a problem, though. =
I
> > needed
> > to buy film stock. That cost $20 (it's shot on MiniDV), and then I ha=
d to
> > get
> > 6 bananas, which, at 7-Eleven, was about $3.50. Expenses on movies ar=
e
> > ridiculous. I used to make them for no money, with recycled stock, bu=
t not
> > any
> > more. In fact, it was a rule that if I couldn't do something for free=
,
> > then I
> > would re-write until I found a free way to do it. For example....I wa=
nted
> > to
> > use real guns at the end of the movie, but I didn't know anyone who h=
ad a
> > cache of guns laying around, so I used bananas instead. Then I tried =
to
> > figure
> > out a way to make the banana's act more like real guns. That didn't w=
ork.
> > The
> > locations were both only 6 blocks away from each other, and it was
> > essentially
> > shot in sequence (somebody from film school told me you shouldn't do
> > that).
> > The whole thing took about 4 hours to shoot. Then I took it to my mas=
ter
> > mechanic Troy Takaki, and he made it all make sense, editing it in ab=
out 4
> > hours. There were a few tricks, but nothing spectacular, and we made =
sure
> > to
> > keep the running time down to about 4 minutes. Then I took it to my w=
ork,
> > added sound fx, music, and ADR that we recorded at my home studio, an=
d did
> > the
> > sound edit and mix in about 4 hours.
> >
> > DID YOU SACRIFICE ANYTHING BECAUSE OF BUDGET?
> > Since I go into a project trying to figure out how to make it for no
> > money, I
> > don't really sacrifice anything. Sure, I'd love to have a nice big $1=
000
> > budget, but I think I would end up wasting it on frivolous things. Ei=
ther
> > that, or I'd have the movie done for EXACTLY $1000. I did want to do =
a car
> > chase through the streets of Venice, but I didn't have gas money to p=
ut
> > into
> > Troy's truck. I ended up scrapping the whole scene. I would'a been gr=
eat.
> > Also, we had this idea to do some CGI, but we couldn't find anywhere =
to
> > put it
> > in. Plus, my hands are kind of tied as far as when a project gets don=
e,
> > since
> > I borrow Avids to cut with, and I usually have to do it on weekends o=
r
> > after
> > hours.
> >
> > WHY DID YOU DO IT?
> > Because we had some cool costumes, and nobody had anything to do that=

> > weekend.
> > Plus, I needed an excuse to film a girl playing an accordion. Also,
> > Victoria
> > Haas ("Attack Of The 50 Foot Woman", Midol commercial spokesperson) a=
greed
> > to
> > do the next project with me, and I couldn't pass that up. She's great=
, and
> > much fun to work with.
> >
> > STATUS OF THE FILM?
> > It's done. Now it sits in my house, and I give copies to people I kno=
w as
> > often as possible. Because of it's running time (about 4 minutes) the=
re's
> > not
> > much I can do with it. I sent it out to the CinemaTexas Film Fest so =
that
> > they
> > could have some extra tape stock in case they needed to copy somethin=
g.
> >
> > ANY ADVICE OF PEARLS OF FILMMAKING WISDOM?
> > Any movie that costs over $100 costs too much. Plus, if you can help =
it,
> > try
> > not to use any more than one real actor....that way you don't have
> > personality
> > and ego problems. Of course, that wouldn't work with just anyone, but=
 in
> > my
> > case it does.
> >
> > WAS IT WORTH IT?
> > Oh yeah, but I doubt I'll make my money back. I can't stop making the=
m
> > now. My
> > wife is trying to make me not think about the next movie until at lea=
st
> > the
> > current one is done. I've got a whole slew of ideas, and my friends a=
re
> > getting more and more into it, so I'm sure there'll be more Hoopty mo=
vies.
> >
> > WHAT'S NEXT?
> > I'm almost done with the next Hoopty Movie. It's called "Gigantica An=
d The
> > Planet Of The She-Monsters." It's a mixture of Sci-fi/Edward D. Wood
> > Jr./Ray
> > Harryhausen and beach party movies. Put it all in a blender and put o=
n
> > puree.
> > It should be ready in about 3 weeks. It's already way over budget, co=
sting
> > a
> > whopping 40 bux so far.
> >
> > To find out more, surf over to:
> > http://members.aol.com/hooptyman/hoopty.html
> >
> > FILMMAKERS:  Hey!  How come my film isn't in this column?!!  E-mail y=
our
> > tales
> > to [e-mail] and answer the basic questions above.  S=
end
> > us a
> > copy of your film on video and if it sounds cool, we'll run a story a=
bout
> > your
> > movie!  Send VHS review copies to: Film Threat, 5042 Wilshire Blvd., =
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> > 150, Los Angeles, CA 90036
> >
> >
> > AN INDIE PRODUCTION DIARY (OR WHAT WE DID ON OUR SUMMER VACATION)
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> > by Merle Bertrand
> >
> > Thursday August 13, 1998
> >
> >       In case you haven't been glued to the Weather Channel these las=
t two
> > months,
> > the entire state of Texas has been declared a National Disaster Area.=
  A
> > severe drought combined with a killer heat wave has been making life
> > miserable
> > here for weeks.  All of which makes the fact that we spent most of th=
e
> > first
> > week dodging raindrops cruelly ironic.  At least the scene with the c=
loudy
> > gray skies was supposed to be a Victorian England dream sequence...
> >      So, if anyone's ever been curious, yes, Day One is BY FAR the si=
ngle
> > most
> > difficult day to get through in a production.  We started off "Adam a=
nd
> > Ollie"
> > with a 45 minute camera delay... which gave us plenty of time to sort=
 out
> > the
> > ysterious electrical problem that completely knocked out our lights, =
a
> > persistently intermittent buzz in one of our lavaliere mics, and the =
two
> > bubbas who showed up to dig a new sewer line right in the middle of o=
ur
> > location.  (That was an amusing conversation:  TONY:  Does your equip=
ment
> > make
> > noise?  BUBBA #1:  Yep.  BUBBA #2:  And it'll most likely spray, too.=
")
> >      But we regrouped from our sluggish start to survive one of the m=
ost
> > grueling production weeks I've ever experienced.  When the rains fina=
lly
> > cleared, the Sun returned with a vengeance and we blistered under the=

> > solar
> > microwave with a couple of hundred extras during our climactic rally
> > scene.
> >      The main thing is, after a hellacious first week of flying puddi=
ng,
> > bodies hurled into trash heaps, and croquet balls ricocheting into
> > foreheads,
> > (it's a romantic comedy, I swear!), we're still standing and all the
> > dailies
> > look excellent.  Six days down and twelve to go.
> >
> > Next Week:  Week Two of Shooting
> >
> >
> > END CREDITS   "Written, produced, and directed by . . ."
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] FILM THREAT WEEKLY : 8-24-98  : Slate II, Take 35
Date: 24 Aug 1998 12:15:29 -0700

I don't think so.... I hope not!!  How can I fix this?

> -----Original Message-----
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> >
> > > "A man who lies cannot love."
> > > - Louis Jordan informing Leslie Caron in in Vincente Minelli's "Gigi."
> >         [Romero, Leticia]   this was also Goldie Hawn in "Cactus Flower"
> > > <===========Deluxe======Widescreen======Edition ===========>
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> > > THIS WEEK   "Right here, right now."
> > > ===========================================
> > > --> NEWS: Where objectivity is strangely absent.
> > > --> BOXOFFICE CHART: Who's number one at the boxoffice?
> > > --> PICKS OF THE WEEK: A load of plugs.
> > > --> BIG SCREEN: Blade, and that's it.
> > > --> DIY FILMMAKING: Filmmaker War Stories
> > > --> AN INDIE PRODUCTION DIARY: The adventure continues...
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> > > SPIDER-MAN RANT
> > > James Cameron's proposed "Spider-Man" film may be getting closer to
> > > reality as
> > > the legal-mumbo-jumbo surrounding the project gets resolved, but not
> > > everyone
> > > is pleased.  The always entertaining Jeffrey Wells sent this missive
> to
> > > the
> > > Rough Cut Online web site in response to a news item about the
> project.
> > > Wells
> > > letter is published here, unedited.  The site contains an edited
> version.
> > > You
> > > go Jeff!!
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > > Very intriguing, Dave.  "Spiderman" and Cameron and MGM and the
> weasels at
> > > 21st Century and yaddah-yaddah-yaddah.  Just one question:  Who gives
> a
> > > rat's
> > > ass?
> > >
> > > Has it occured to anyone how totally lame and old-shoe and
> one-dimensional
> > > ALL
> > > movies based on comic-book characters have been in recent years?  They
> are
> > > the
> > > single worst obsession to come out of the under 35's who are writing,
> > > directing and pushing for green-lights these days.  This is strictly a
> > > GenX
> > > thing here and it's like a pestilence.  God save us from another Mike
> > > DeLuca
> > > brainstorm along these lines.
> > >
> > > This is because they are (a) repetitive, (b) about infantile
> masturbatory
> > > boy-
> > > fan-
> > > tasies, and (c) terminally '80s.  Costumed heroes-vs.-villains is the
> same
> > > old
> > > story every friggin' time.  The submerged alter-ego of a conflicted
> > > personality
> > > stands up to and ultimately triumphs over evil.  And that's....IT!
> How
> > > many
> > > times
> > > are audiences expected to sift through the same dog-eared baseball
> cards?
> > > Spiderman is a bit more young-guy juvenile and hung up than the
> others.
> > > Well,
> > > whoop-dee-doo for knocking our socks off!
> > >
> > > I cringe at the thought of Cameron regressing from the growth spurt of
> > > "Titanic" to do this thing.  I lament that Bryan Singer is doing
> "X-Men."
> > > I
> > > hated "Spawn."  I was intrigued by "The Crow" but not to any great
> extent.
> > > "Batman and Robin" was one of the most repulsive extravaganzas in
> H'wood
> > > history.  I refuse to see a free screening of  "Blade" because I just
> > > can't
> > > take this shit anymore. Some have said that the "Superman" films have
> aged
> > > well, but they were never more than marginally diverting, in my view.
> > >
> > > The basic problem with comic-book hero movies right now isn't so much
> that
> > > movies about titanic good-vs-evil confrontations and phantasmagoria
> and
> > > intensely rendered mirror-image visions of urban horror (have you
> noticed
> > > that
> > > ALL these movies take place in the essentially the same
> expressionistic
> > > city,
> > > i.e., Noir Town?) tend to bring out in screenwriters and directors the
> > > same
> > > self-referential, self-mocking, heh-heh,
> > > we've-been-here-before-but-THIS-time-
> > >
> we're-going-to-be-MUCH-more-clever-than-the-last-flick-about-an-anguished-
> > > all-
> > > too-human-superhero.
> > >
> > > The problem, now, is that these
> > > production-design-for-their-own-sake-because-
> > >
> the-plot-and-character-points-have-been-done-to-death-thrity-seven-times-
> > > before movies are OVER.  They're deader than dead.  Raw, minimalist
> > > realism is
> > > the new thing, as the breathtaking opening 25 minutes of "Saving
> Private
> > > Ryan"
> > > gave us a taste of.  That movie wasn't the end-all and be-all, but it
> sure
> > > as
> > > hell made the proponents of stylized violence and stylized
> storytelling
> > > seem
> > > like yesterday's pasta.
> > >
> > > I never, EVER want to see again a stylishly decked-out, over-coiffed
> > > super-
> > > villain cackling and smirking and double-entendre-ing his or her way
> > > through a
> > > cynical, over-preening, self-absorbed perf in a super-hero movie, once
> > > again
> > > delighted at his or her unregenerate evil (born of Nicholson's Jack
> > > Torrance
> > > in "The Shining" 18 years ago, and amped up by Jack with his Joker
> perf in
> > > "Batman" 7 years later).  Pleeeeese, enough is enough is enough!
> > > Pared-to-
> > > the-bone realism with real-death and real-consequences endured by
> > > real-people-
> > > with-a-semblance-of-gray-matter-between-their-ears is where it's at
> for
> > > any
> > > director or producer with the slightest interest in wanting to play it
> > > cutting
> > > edge.
> > >
> > > And while we're at it let's call a moratorium on calling-attention-to-
> > > themselves CGI
> > > shots, because I'm getting sick to death of these too.  I hate it when
> > > filmmakers show you a CGI shot and you say to yourself, "Hmmm...pretty
> > > good
> > > CGI"  I want to believe in at least a semblance of actual biological
> > > reality
> > > when I see a film, as I did in that mind-blowing Omaha Beach sequence,
> > > which
> > > of course used CGI here and there but sparingly and "realistically."
> To
> > > paraphrase Samuel Johnson, in today's Hollywood CGI
> > > shots-for-their-own-sake
> > > are truly the last refuge of a scoundrel.
> > >
> > >
> > > BOXOFFICE CHART   "Hollywood's Horse Race... and they're off!"
> > > ===========================================
> > > Weekend of August 21-23, Source: Exhibitor Relations Co.
> > > 1/New BLADE $17.0
> > > 2/     1 SAVING PRIVATE RYAN $10.1/$142.7
> > > 3/     4 THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY $7.9/$104.2
> > > 4/     2 HOW STELLA GOT HER GROOVE BACK $6.6/$22.3
> > > 5/     5 SNAKE EYES $5.1/$40.6
> > > 6/New DEAD MAN ON CAMPUS $4.7
> > > 7/New DANCE WITH ME $4.5
> > > 7/     7 EVER AFTER $4.5/$42.3
> > > 9/     8 THE PARENT TRAP $3.8/$51.1
> > > 10/   6 HALLOWEEN: H2O $3.7/$47.2
> > > -/     3 THE AVENGERS $3.55/$18
> > > -/New WRONGFULLY ACCUSED $3.4
> > >
> > >
> > > PICKS OF THE WEEK   "Stuff we wanna plug."
> > > ===========================================
> > > INTERNATIONAL FILM FESTIVAL:
> > > The Detroit International Film Festival is looking for unique visions
> on
> > > film
> > > and video.  "...creating a vital center for independent filmmaking in
> > > Detroit."  This is the new incarnation of the Metropolitan Film
> Festival,
> > > now
> > > in it's 7th year. Any format, any genre, any length.  Films by and for
> a
> > > diverse ethnic community.  Competition for Shorts & Features.  Beyond
> the
> > > competition, this year's festival features many exciting highlights,
> > > including
> > > an opening night Lifetime Achievement Awards Ceremony honoring
> legendary
> > > Detroit novelist and screenwriter Elmore Leonard.  The ceremony will
> be
> > > hosted
> > > by nationally-renown filmmakers influenced by Mr. Leonard's work.
> This
> > > kick-
> > > off, followed by a weekend of intriguing film, information-packed
> > > conferences
> > > and gala parties.  HURRY!  Deadline: 8-31-98.  Festival to be held
> Nov.
> > > 5-8th.
> > > Call 313-255-0098 or email: [e-mail]
> > > http://www.detroitfilm.org
> > >
> > > INDIE FILM FESTIVAL:
> > > The Austin Cinemaker Co-Op has a cool contest.  Enter your film in the
> > > Cheap
> > > and out of Focus competition.  Get the details:
> > > http://www.cinemaker.austin.tx.us/announcements.html
> > >
> > > WEB SITE:
> > > The Hedtec Moving Pictures, LTD web site offers critique, information,
> and
> > > ideas about filmmaking.  They have created a "shell" for filmmakers to
> > > bring
> > > and exchange information.  An online searchable database offers users
> the
> > > opportunity to post their resume. The goal is to have a large working
> > > database
> > > of filmmakers around the world.  The site also offers chat rooms,
> bulletin
> > > boards, and an interactive links page.  Cool free stuff.
> > > http://www.hedtec.com
> > >
> > >
> > > BIG SCREEN   "Coming Soon to a Theater Near You"
> > > ===========================================
> > > From five stars "Perfect! * * * * *" to one star "Crap! *" here's the
> > > lowdown.
> > >
> > > BLADE (R)
> > > * * * 1/2
> > > (http://www.lycos.com/blade)
> > > In the past week I've attended a Q & A with John Carpenter for
> "Vampires",
> > > a Q
> > > & A with nearly the entire cast of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer", two
> Bauhaus
> > > reunion concerts and finally a screening of "Blade".  I have now
> > > successfully
> > > completed Vampirathon '98.  The "Buffy" panel was mainly a lot of
> crying,
> > > awkward teenage girls and creator Joss Whedon saying, "I can't tell
> you
> > > anything about next season."  The John Carpenter thingee went
> something
> > > like
> > > this:
> > >    Audience member: "Dude! 'The Thing' is the best horror movie ever!"
> > >    JC: "So what's your f**king question?"
> > >   This brings us to "Blade".  Based on the somewhat obscure Marvel
> Comics
> > > character of the 1970's, "Blade" (Wesley Snipes) is a human/vampire
> hybrid
> > > created at his birth as his mother died from a vampire attack.
> Possessing
> > > the
> > > speed, strength, and healing abilities of the creatures, he is also
> > > unharmed
> > > by sunlight, silver and garlic.  He does, however, have their thirst
> for
> > > blood.  He know moves from city to city, attempting to cleanse them of
> > > bloodsuckers.  This time around, he nemesis in Deacon Frost (Stephen
> > > Dorff),
> > > who wants to become some sort of super-vampire (if this were Japanese,
> it
> > > would be Mecha-Vampire).  The whole thing is an excuse for lots of
> Gothic
> > > atmoshpere, techno, and Kung Fu.
> > >    I don't know about you, but when I've been partying all weekend and
> > > it's
> > > around 2pm on Sunday, I'm not really in the mood for a Merchant/Ivory
> > > picture
> > > (then again, I'm never actually in the mood for a Merchant/Ivory
> picture).
> > > I
> > > just want pretty colors, minimal dialog, and lot's of ass-kickin'.
> There
> > > should be AKN, the "Ass Kickin' Network". Instead of the old guy from
> AMC,
> > > you
> > > could have Don "the Dragon" Wilson presenting color commentary, and
> the
> > > evening highlight would be "Blade".  It delivers the goods.  Does it
> > > completely make sense?  Of course not, but it actually builds on
> itself
> > > until
> > > the end and for one or two brief moments, nearly works as a horror
> film.
> > > The
> > > Director, Stephen Norrington, and Snipes, who also acts as producer,
> took
> > > this
> > > project very seriously.  Norrington tries to get arty, and not all of
> the
> > > action works, but it hits most of the time, and the filmmakers succeed
> in
> > > hinting at a larger framework and vampire society outside of the film
> > > itself.
> > > At least somebody can make a superhero picture without screwing it up,
> and
> > > props to New Line for letting the film clock in with an R rating.
> > >    The only negative is the audience apparently found an alternative
> way
> > > to
> > > serve out their detention time, as it was the same bunch of idiot hip
> > > gangster
> > > wannabes who were at the "Halloween" screening.  It is amazing how
> each
> > > successive generation knows instinctively how to annoy the previous
> one.
> > > Shut
> > > the f--k up, I'm hungover and trying to watch the movie. - Ron Wells
> > >
> > >
> > > DIY FILMMAKING:  "War Stories from the Frontlines of Filmmaking"
> > > ===========================================
> > > Here we present another chapter in our continuing series focusing on
> the
> > > trials and tribulations of making independent films.  These War
> Stories
> > > from
> > > filmmakers who slaved to get it done will tear at your heart and might
> > > even
> > > make you cry.  (Not really, but it sounds good to say that.)  Battle
> on
> > > indie
> > > filmmakers!
> > >
> > > INTERVIEW WITH FILMMAKER: Mike Branum, writer/director
> > >
> > > WHAT'S YOUR STORY?
> > > I don't have film school experience. I just know what I like. I came
> down
> > > here
> > > from the Bay Area to work in post sound, and eventually got "The Bug"
> to
> > > direct. It didn't take very long, since I had been doing it at my
> little
> > > home
> > > studio (Hoopty Studios) for quite a while, and even though it was dumb
> > > little
> > > projects, it eventually grew to dumb big projects. I love movies, and
> I
> > > get
> > > inspired by them. In the case of "The Big Ring" I was kind of inspired
> by
> > > Buster Keaton, Suzuki Seijun, and Hong Kong action cinema. I'm just an
> > > idiot
> > > playing director. It's fun.
> > >
> > > WHAT'S UP WITH THAT TITLE?
> > > "The Big Ring" is about this tweaky chick who finds a ring that just
> > > happens
> > > to belong to some really bad people. She takes it up to her apartment
> to
> > > show
> > > her boyfriend, but the bad guys follow her, hold her hostage, and
> attempt
> > > to
> > > get the ring back. She breaks free and escapes, but eventually there's
> a
> > > showdown.
> > >
> > > WHAT WAS YOUR BUDGET, SCHEDULE?
> > > The budget was originally gonna be $0. I ran into a problem, though. I
> > > needed
> > > to buy film stock. That cost $20 (it's shot on MiniDV), and then I had
> to
> > > get
> > > 6 bananas, which, at 7-Eleven, was about $3.50. Expenses on movies are
> > > ridiculous. I used to make them for no money, with recycled stock, but
> not
> > > any
> > > more. In fact, it was a rule that if I couldn't do something for free,
> > > then I
> > > would re-write until I found a free way to do it. For example....I
> wanted
> > > to
> > > use real guns at the end of the movie, but I didn't know anyone who
> had a
> > > cache of guns laying around, so I used bananas instead. Then I tried
> to
> > > figure
> > > out a way to make the banana's act more like real guns. That didn't
> work.
> > > The
> > > locations were both only 6 blocks away from each other, and it was
> > > essentially
> > > shot in sequence (somebody from film school told me you shouldn't do
> > > that).
> > > The whole thing took about 4 hours to shoot. Then I took it to my
> master
> > > mechanic Troy Takaki, and he made it all make sense, editing it in
> about 4
> > > hours. There were a few tricks, but nothing spectacular, and we made
> sure
> > > to
> > > keep the running time down to about 4 minutes. Then I took it to my
> work,
> > > added sound fx, music, and ADR that we recorded at my home studio, and
> did
> > > the
> > > sound edit and mix in about 4 hours.
> > >
> > > DID YOU SACRIFICE ANYTHING BECAUSE OF BUDGET?
> > > Since I go into a project trying to figure out how to make it for no
> > > money, I
> > > don't really sacrifice anything. Sure, I'd love to have a nice big
> $1000
> > > budget, but I think I would end up wasting it on frivolous things.
> Either
> > > that, or I'd have the movie done for EXACTLY $1000. I did want to do a
> car
> > > chase through the streets of Venice, but I didn't have gas money to
> put
> > > into
> > > Troy's truck. I ended up scrapping the whole scene. I would'a been
> great.
> > > Also, we had this idea to do some CGI, but we couldn't find anywhere
> to
> > > put it
> > > in. Plus, my hands are kind of tied as far as when a project gets
> done,
> > > since
> > > I borrow Avids to cut with, and I usually have to do it on weekends or
> > > after
> > > hours.
> > >
> > > WHY DID YOU DO IT?
> > > Because we had some cool costumes, and nobody had anything to do that
> > > weekend.
> > > Plus, I needed an excuse to film a girl playing an accordion. Also,
> > > Victoria
> > > Haas ("Attack Of The 50 Foot Woman", Midol commercial spokesperson)
> agreed
> > > to
> > > do the next project with me, and I couldn't pass that up. She's great,
> and
> > > much fun to work with.
> > >
> > > STATUS OF THE FILM?
> > > It's done. Now it sits in my house, and I give copies to people I know
> as
> > > often as possible. Because of it's running time (about 4 minutes)
> there's
> > > not
> > > much I can do with it. I sent it out to the CinemaTexas Film Fest so
> that
> > > they
> > > could have some extra tape stock in case they needed to copy
> something.
> > >
> > > ANY ADVICE OF PEARLS OF FILMMAKING WISDOM?
> > > Any movie that costs over $100 costs too much. Plus, if you can help
> it,
> > > try
> > > not to use any more than one real actor....that way you don't have
> > > personality
> > > and ego problems. Of course, that wouldn't work with just anyone, but
> in
> > > my
> > > case it does.
> > >
> > > WAS IT WORTH IT?
> > > Oh yeah, but I doubt I'll make my money back. I can't stop making them
> > > now. My
> > > wife is trying to make me not think about the next movie until at
> least
> > > the
> > > current one is done. I've got a whole slew of ideas, and my friends
> are
> > > getting more and more into it, so I'm sure there'll be more Hoopty
> movies.
> > >
> > > WHAT'S NEXT?
> > > I'm almost done with the next Hoopty Movie. It's called "Gigantica And
> The
> > > Planet Of The She-Monsters." It's a mixture of Sci-fi/Edward D. Wood
> > > Jr./Ray
> > > Harryhausen and beach party movies. Put it all in a blender and put on
> > > puree.
> > > It should be ready in about 3 weeks. It's already way over budget,
> costing
> > > a
> > > whopping 40 bux so far.
> > >
> > > To find out more, surf over to:
> > > http://members.aol.com/hooptyman/hoopty.html
> > >
> > > FILMMAKERS:  Hey!  How come my film isn't in this column?!!  E-mail
> your
> > > tales
> > > to [e-mail] and answer the basic questions above.
> Send
> > > us a
> > > copy of your film on video and if it sounds cool, we'll run a story
> about
> > > your
> > > movie!  Send VHS review copies to: Film Threat, 5042 Wilshire Blvd.,
> Suite
> > > 150, Los Angeles, CA 90036
> > >
> > >
> > > AN INDIE PRODUCTION DIARY (OR WHAT WE DID ON OUR SUMMER VACATION)
> > > ===========================================
> > > by Merle Bertrand
> > >
> > > Thursday August 13, 1998
> > >
> > >       In case you haven't been glued to the Weather Channel these last
> two
> > > months,
> > > the entire state of Texas has been declared a National Disaster Area.
> A
> > > severe drought combined with a killer heat wave has been making life
> > > miserable
> > > here for weeks.  All of which makes the fact that we spent most of the
> > > first
> > > week dodging raindrops cruelly ironic.  At least the scene with the
> cloudy
> > > gray skies was supposed to be a Victorian England dream sequence...
> > >      So, if anyone's ever been curious, yes, Day One is BY FAR the
> single
> > > most
> > > difficult day to get through in a production.  We started off "Adam
> and
> > > Ollie"
> > > with a 45 minute camera delay... which gave us plenty of time to sort
> out
> > > the
> > > ysterious electrical problem that completely knocked out our lights, a
> > > persistently intermittent buzz in one of our lavaliere mics, and the
> two
> > > bubbas who showed up to dig a new sewer line right in the middle of
> our
> > > location.  (That was an amusing conversation:  TONY:  Does your
> equipment
> > > make
> > > noise?  BUBBA #1:  Yep.  BUBBA #2:  And it'll most likely spray,
> too.")
> > >      But we regrouped from our sluggish start to survive one of the
> most
> > > grueling production weeks I've ever experienced.  When the rains
> finally
> > > cleared, the Sun returned with a vengeance and we blistered under the
> > > solar
> > > microwave with a couple of hundred extras during our climactic rally
> > > scene.
> > >      The main thing is, after a hellacious first week of flying
> pudding,
> > > bodies hurled into trash heaps, and croquet balls ricocheting into
> > > foreheads,
> > > (it's a romantic comedy, I swear!), we're still standing and all the
> > > dailies
> > > look excellent.  Six days down and twelve to go.
> > >
> > > Next Week:  Week Two of Shooting
> > >
> > >
> > > END CREDITS   "Written, produced, and directed by . . ."
> > > ===========================================
> > > Publisher / Chris Gore
> > > Executive Publisher / Victor Minjares
> > > Contributors / Merle Bertrand, Tom Meek, Anthony Miele, Ron Wells
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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] FILM THREAT WEEKLY : 8-24-98  : Slate II, Take 35
Date: 24 Aug 1998 17:55:34 -0400

Here's a novel thought, guys.  When quoting a 25kb message, why not edit
down the stuff that we don't need.  That way, I won't have to download the
same message four times, taking up over 100kb of space:-)

As for the FTW subscription, it has been coming out on this list since at
least Saturday, when I got one.  Don't know who did it.  I always wanted to
read it, and had thought of subbing MYSELF, but do not relish the idea of
getting it on the list with no hope of unsubbing... ever.  Hopefully
someone will be able to figure out how to unsub.

Regards,

--Mel


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From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] FILM THREAT WEEKLY : 8-24-98  : Slate II, Take 35
Date: 25 Aug 1998 09:30:28 cet



> Here's a novel thought, guys.  When quoting a 25kb message, why not edit
> down the stuff that we don't need.  That way, I won't have to download the
> same message four times, taking up over 100kb of space:-)

I was going to write exactly the same mail (including the 100kb of
space).

I mean I get these long emails and then I think something like: Hurray,
finally there is some nice person writing me a long email! and then it's
only 4 times the same mail. <whine> I'm so lonely </whine>.

Can we agree on some sort of policy or agenda on subscriptions? I
noticed that we are subscribed to the flickfilosopher (at least we are
getting mails from them) - is that true?

I personally don't mind either subscriptions, but some might and
those already subscribed have the great pleasure of getting two. And
we all know how hard it is to unsubscribe from lists.

BTW: Any views on Wild Things and especially the recent
Newman/Sarandon flick - forgot the title -  I think it's something with
an S in it. Worth seeing?

thomas

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From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] FILM THREAT WEEKLY : 8-24-98  : Slate II, Take 35
Date: 25 Aug 1998 08:15:59 -0700

Hi Guys,

I'm back.  I've been on the road for about a week.  Or did you
notice?

I agree about long, repetitive messages.  If you want to address a
particular part of a previous message then cut and paste but please
don't resend entire messages.

As far as mailing lists are concerned, I have no interest in being
placed on any such lists and instead take offense that my address is
being abused in such a way.  I assume the manager of this list does
not in any way do such things or condone it either.   Spamming is the
one great evil in my internet experience.

bb

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From: Honwa Chau <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] which Tony?
Date: 26 Aug 1998 00:54:40 +0900



Romero, Leticia wrote:

> When is the
> western world going to discover Tony Leung?!!!

Which Tony are you talking about? Short Tony or tall Tony?

If it's short Tony (Leung Chiu-wai) you're talking about, I agree 100 percent.
He's probably the best Hong Kong actor left in Hong Kong.



itchy


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Subject: [MV] Flick Filosopher sub on this mailing list
Date: 25 Aug 1998 09:09:44 -0700



'greuel' <[e-mail]> Wrote:

<<Can we agree on some sort of policy or agenda on subscriptions?
I
noticed that we are subscribed to the flickfilosopher (at least
we are
getting mails from them) - is that true?>>

I'm the listowner of The Flick Filosopher list, and I have no
idea who signed this list up for my list. I assume it must be
the listowner here, because subs must be confirmed by the owners
of the e-mail addresses added to my list.

MaryAnn Johanson
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] which Tony?
Date: 25 Aug 1998 09:09:40 -0700

I didn't realized there was a tall Tony!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Honwa Chau [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Tuesday, August 25, 1998 8:55 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    [MV] which Tony?
>
>
>
> Romero, Leticia wrote:
>
> > When is the
> > western world going to discover Tony Leung?!!!
>
> Which Tony are you talking about? Short Tony or tall Tony?
>
> If it's short Tony (Leung Chiu-wai) you're talking about, I agree 100
> percent.
> He's probably the best Hong Kong actor left in Hong Kong.
>
>
>
> itchy
>
>
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From: Vi L On {64539} <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] which Tony?
Date: 25 Aug 1998 12:27:49 -0400 (EDT)


> > western world going to discover Tony Leung?!!!

Who is Tony Leung?
are you talking about chinese martial art fighters?
The only other martial fighter I know in hong kong is that fat guy.
 (hong gum bo)

> If it's short Tony (Leung Chiu-wai) you're talking about, I agree 100 percent.

oh, Tony is Leung Chiu-wai?  that gay actor.   he's not short or tall.
you see that movie where Tony and the famous singer Leslie hug and
kiss each other?  discusting gay movie.

> He's probably the best Hong Kong actor left in Hong Kong.

i don't think he is good.

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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] which Tony?
Date: 25 Aug 1998 09:55:11 -0700

    [Romero, Leticia]  Thank goodness that's only YOUR opinion!

> oh, Tony is Leung Chiu-wai?  that gay actor.   he's not short or tall.
> you see that movie where Tony and the famous singer Leslie hug and
> kiss each other?  discusting gay movie.
>
> > He's probably the best Hong Kong actor left in Hong Kong.
>
> i don't think he is good.
>
> -Vi
>
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Subject: [MV] Wild Things
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to say I agreed with what you said about postings.  Also, I enjoyed =
"Wild Things".  I take it you know the plot......all i'll say is that if =
you like a film with lots of twists you'll enjoy it. The only thing I =
recommend is that you continue watching it throughout the end =
credits.....as it shows scenes that explain more thoroughly what =
happened.  I saw it in the cinema and plenty of people walked out just =
as they started.....also a friend of mine at another showing did the =
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If you have ever seen such films as "Sleuth" and "death trap" (both, =
strangely starring Michael Caine" then this film is in a similar vein.

~
Gerry T
~~~~~
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self =
contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake and weep for their sins,
they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
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things,
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Whitman.
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Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
Date: 26 Aug 1998 11:17:00 +0200


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>
>
>
> Hi Thomas, It's the "Evil Brit" again! ( I like that nickname!).  Just
> to say I agreed with what you said about postings.  Also, I enjoyed
> "Wild Things".  I take it you know the plot......all i'll say is that
> if you like a film with lots of twists you'll enjoy it. The only thing
> I recommend is that you continue watching it throughout the end
> credits.....as it shows scenes that explain more thoroughly what
> happened.  I saw it in the cinema and plenty of people walked out just
> as they started.....also a friend of mine at another showing did the
> same thus missing important scenes and one highly amusing last scene.
> If you have ever seen such films as "Sleuth" and "death trap" (both,
> strangely starring Michael Caine" then this film is in a similar vein.
>
>

I didn't like this movie at all...Ok I must admit I was a little bit
surprised when you see the three in his room with the bottle of
champagne and the following scene is nice to watch ;)
But after that it gets so predictable...I mean   ...once you've figured
out that there's going to be a lots of twists you can always guess wich
ones...and who will die etc.
so after a while I was pretty bored...
No sir I didn't like it at all!!!

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said about postings.  Also, I enjoyed "Wild Things".  I take
it you know the plot......all i'll say is that if you like a film with
lots of twists you'll enjoy it. The only thing I recommend is that you
continue watching it throughout the end credits.....as it shows scenes
that explain more thoroughly what happened.  I saw it in the cinema
and plenty of people walked out just as they started.....also a friend
of mine at another showing did the same thus missing important scenes and
one highly amusing last scene.  If you have ever seen such films as
"Sleuth" and "death trap" (both, strangely starring Michael Caine" then
this film is in a similar vein.</FONT></FONT></B>
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when you see the three in his room with the bottle of champagne and the
following scene is nice to watch ;)
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you've figured out that there's going to be a lots of twists you can always
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From: Honwa Chau <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Tonys
Date: 26 Aug 1998 23:30:47 +0900

Short Tony - Tony Leung Chiu-wai is famous for: "Hard-Boiled,"
"Chungking Express" and "Happy Together." He also sings occassionally.

Tall Tony - Tony Leung Kai-fei is famous for "The Lover" (also starring
Jane March and directed by Jean-Jacques Annaud), "A Better Tomorrow III"
and scores of other movies. He also occassionally sings.

To add to the confusion, the two actors sometimes appear in the same
film. Examples include "Ashes of Time," "He Ain't Heavy, He's My
Father," "The Eagle Shooting Heroes," and "Always be the Winners."

I think Tony Leung Kai-fei has been in more films (but don't quote me on
that) and has a zany persona (with a falsetto voice to match) in
comedies. I like Tony Leung Chiu-wai better in dramas; he's got such a
killer stare.

As far as I know, Tony Leung Chiu-wai is not gay. His long-time
girlfriend is actress Carina Lau, who plays his wife in "Ashes of Time,"
although the two don't have a scene together. (In "He Ain't Heavy, He's
My Father," Tony Leung Kai-fei plays the father, Carina Lau plays the
mother  and Tony Leung Chiu-wai plays the son.)

I hope I have added to the confusion.




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Subject: [MV] there's something about mary..
Date: 26 Aug 1998 08:34:38 PDT

     Hey what is everyone's comments on "There's something about Mary"
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From: Diane Christy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] there's something about mary..
Date: 26 Aug 1998 13:04:51 -0500

On 8/26/98, 10:34 AM -0500, Danielle Conkle said so nicely:
>Hey what is everyone's comments on "There's something about Mary"
>?

I went expecting to be howling all over the place.  But I just thought it
was gross.  Some funny situations.  I guess I just didn't get it.  Maybe I
was in a bad mood when I saw it.  I wouldn't recommend it.
~~~~~
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Jefferson, LA
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From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
Date: 26 Aug 1998 19:35:31 cet

> > Hi Thomas, It's the "Evil Brit" again! ( I like that nickname!).  Just
> > to say I agreed with what you said about postings.  Also, I enjoyed
> > "Wild Things".  I take it you know the plot......all i'll say is that
> > if you like a film with lots of twists you'll enjoy it. The only thing
> > I recommend is that you continue watching it throughout the end
> > credits.....as it shows scenes that explain more thoroughly what
> > happened.  I saw it in the cinema and plenty of people walked out just
> > as they started.....also a friend of mine at another showing did the
> > same thus missing important scenes and one highly amusing last scene.
> > If you have ever seen such films as "Sleuth" and "death trap" (both,
> > strangely starring Michael Caine" then this film is in a similar vein.
> >
This sounds somewhat strange to me. I have to watch the credits to
get a better understanding? Now sometimes the credits are funny
("No dinosaurs were harmed during the making of the film" - The
Flintstones), but I wouldn't say they contribute anything  to the
understanding. So here they do? First thought is: What kinda film is
that when it has to use the credits to explain the story. But I haven't
seen it and so when I get a chance I will.



> But after that it gets so predictable...I mean   ...once you've figured
> out that there's going to be a lots of twists you can always guess wich
> ones...and who will die etc.

Hmmh, yeah twists are bad. I must admit that even through The
Game I sat there thinking: Chill Dougie, all's well that ends well. And
there is no way you could tell from the plot. But twists are often the
most unlikely ones and they can be predicted. If everything speaks
against it, then this is the most likely one in twisted movies.
The only twist that I could not foresee was that in The Sting, but then
again I was 12 when I saw it (just turned 13 - okay maybe not).

thomas

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From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] there's something about mary.. -Reply
Date: 26 Aug 1998 11:16:26 -0700

I saw Something about Mary for the second time and this time the
theatre was almost empty.  It was not as funny as before and I think
that it is because it is a movie best viewed with a packed house.
There is something about the shared experience that really enhances
the movie (and others).

bb

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From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
Date: 26 Aug 1998 19:14:51 +0100

This sounds somewhat strange to me. I have to watch the credits to
get a better understanding? Now sometimes the credits are funny
("No dinosaurs were harmed during the making of the film" - The
Flintstones), but I wouldn't say they contribute anything  to the
understanding. So here they do? First thought is: What kinda film is
that when it has to use the credits to explain the story. But I haven't
seen it and so when I get a chance I will.


Ha! You obviously haven't seen Alien 3 then - where you have to watch the
opening credits for some 'reasons' why there is suddenly an alien aboard the
Sulacco and Hicks and Newt are killed - but you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! It's a
sucky director who needs to explain things outside of the films boundaries!


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From: Diane Christy <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] The Parent Trap
Date: 26 Aug 1998 13:18:27 -0500

What did everyone think of "The Parent Trap"?--the new one, obviously.  I
was pleasantly surprised and delighted to see some references to the old
version.  Anyone see it?
~~~~~
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Jefferson, LA
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From: [e-mail] (Kitty Mach)
Subject: Re: [MV] there's something about mary..
Date: 26 Aug 1998 11:22:03 +0100

Very funny and sick.

BTW~ anyone watch Blade? I'm planning to see it, but I'm wondering if it
was good. I heard it was good...

Kitty
"When I panick, I make this face."[expression doesn't change]Mulder in
The X-Files Movie
"Someone wasn't worthy..."Spike in BtVS
"No, I'm not one of them, I'm something else."Blade inBlade
"I want the car. Chicks dig the car."Robin in Batman & Robin
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Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
Date: 26 Aug 1998 19:45:30 +0100

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curiosity......can you tell me any films you did not predict the twist =
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    Gerry T
    ~~~~~
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Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/26/98
Date: 26 Aug 1998 13:36:27 -0600 (MDT)

Two-time Emmy winner E.G. Marshall, who reprised his
starring role as lawyer Lawrence Preston in a Showtime
version of "The Defenders" just last season, died Monday
night at his home in suburban Mount Kisco NY. He was 84.
Marshall won two Emmys (1962 and 1963) for his portrayal of
the father in a father-and-son law firm in "The Defenders,"
a popular CBS-TV courtroom drama that ran from 1961 to 1965.
The actor's movie credits include "The Caine Mutiny,"
"Twelve Angry Men" and "Compulsion," while "The Iceman
Cometh" and "The Crucible" were two of his many Broadway
successes.

                        -=> * <=-

"Titanic" heartthrob Leonardo DiCaprio has decided not to
take on the role of a demented serial killer in "American
Psycho," long-rumored to be his next film. According to the
Los Angeles Times, the 23-year-old actor would have received
$20 million for the role, but apparently he and Lion's Gate
Films couldn't coordinate a start date that worked for them
both. In January DiCaprio is scheduled to start "The Beach,"
a film about hippies who migrate to a Southeast Asia island.

                        -=> * <=-

Denzel Washington's and Bruce Willis' latest film, "The
Siege," doesn't open until Nov. 6, but Arab and Muslim
groups are already seething about it. New York's Daily News
reports that The Council on American-Islamic Relations and
the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee are
scheduled to hold a press conference today to voice concerns
about the 20th Century-Fox film. The story-line involves
armed forces having to defend Brooklyn against Arab and
Muslim bombers. Earlier in the project director, the News
says, Edward Zwick and producer Lynda Obst capitulated to
some suggested changes in the script, but they said the
basic plot would remain.

                        -=> * <=-

Janet Leigh (mom of Jamie Leigh, with whom she currently
appears in "H20") has been the object of two of the most
violent murder scenes ever filmed -- first in Orson Welles'
"Touch of Evil" (1958) and then, two years later, in Alfred
Hitchcock's "Psycho." It's the "Psycho" scene in the Bates
Motel where she is stabbed in the shower that is forever
etched in filmgoers' minds. Ms. Leigh tells Interview
magazine she thinks the impact of the "Psycho" scene stems
from the fact that audiences don't actually see the
stabbing. They only think they do. "You could swear on a
stack of bibles that you actually did see it," she says. "A
master like Hitchcock ... could manipulate audiences with
camera angles and with the editing, so people believed they
were seeing all kinds of things."

                        -=> * <=-

Offbeat and independent films will grab center stage at this year's
Toronto International Film Festival, with Hollywood movies taking a
supporting role compared to last year. Unveiling a lineup of 311
films from 53 countries Tuesday, organizers said the festival will
feature more independent and first time directors compared with the
higher share of Hollywood studio films among 1997's 281 entries. The
focus on less mainstream cinema is expected to ensure the 23rd
installment of the festival sees its share of controversy.
"Happiness," a story about stalking and pedophilia directed by
American film-maker Todd Solondz, and "Sombre," by French director
Philippe Grandrieux, are both North American premieres expected to
stir controversy.

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Subject: Re: [MV] there's something about mary..
Date: 26 Aug 1998 13:29:58 PDT


>On 8/26/98, 10:34 AM -0500, Danielle Conkle said so nicely:
>>Hey what is everyone's comments on "There's something about Mary"
>>?
>
>I went expecting to be howling all over the place.  But I just thought
it
>was gross.  Some funny situations.  I guess I just didn't get it.
Maybe I
>was in a bad mood when I saw it.  I wouldn't recommend it.
>~~~~~
>Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom)
    ;)  I'm torn on how i feel about the movie.  I mean how do you
describe it to somebody?  I was more squirming, and laughing
hysterically at the same time.  But i don't know if i was laughing
because i was uncomfortable or it was actually funny.  Definitly give it
snaps for being original though.


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From: "Gene Ehrich <[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]>
Subject:  Re: [MV] Negotiator review
Date: 26 Aug 1998 14:31:45 -0600 (MDT)

We found it to be a really exciting movie going experience. Samuel T
Jackson has
an unbelievable screen presence and Kevin Spacey was good also.

Outstanding movie going experience.

At 05:20 PM 8/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Tense, smart and amazing acting!  I know that the preview kinda sucks - it
>looks like they give away a lot of what's going to happen - but don't worry
>- they don't give anything away.  This is one is full of smart characters
>and real situations.  Great flick - reminds me slightly of the Fugitive. I
>give it a wopping 89%.
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Subject:  Re: [MV] Negotiator review
Date: 26 Aug 1998 14:39:12 -0600 (MDT)

We found it to be a really exciting movie going experience. Samuel T
Jackson has
an unbelievable screen presence and Kevin Spacey was good also.

Outstanding movie going experience.

At 05:20 PM 8/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Tense, smart and amazing acting!  I know that the preview kinda sucks - it
>looks like they give away a lot of what's going to happen - but don't worry
>- they don't give anything away.  This is one is full of smart characters
>and real situations.  Great flick - reminds me slightly of the Fugitive. I
>give it a wopping 89%.
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Subject:  Re: [MV] Snake Eyes review - not very good
Date: 26 Aug 1998 14:40:18 -0600 (MDT)

At 10:38 PM 8/10/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Brian DePalma (Mission:Impossible) directs Nicholas Cage in a tense
>keep-your-eyes-on-the-screen thriller.  I loved how this movie unfolded.

  As usual Cage was very good but the movie was not. Implausible plot
  and not very well done for a DePalma film. Not as bad as Armegeddon
  but no where near as good as The Negotiator which was great.

  One star movie

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Subject:  Re: [MV] Something about mary - a question...
Date: 26 Aug 1998 14:40:59 -0600 (MDT)

At 08:47 AM 8/10/98 +0800, you wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, David Lee wrote:
>
>> I've heard a couple of good reviews about the movie, Something About Mary,

     Probably the funniest movie we've seen in many, many years.

     Absolutely not to be missed unless you are prudish.

>> that it's funny and all... could somebody be kind enough to tell me who is
>> in the cast of the movie? Thanks.
>>
>
>Cameron Diaz, Ben Stiller and Matt Dillon. And it's There's Something
>About Mary.
>
>
>Jayson
>-----------------
>I've been down this road walkin' the line
>That's painted by pride
>And I have made mistakes in my life
>That I just can't hide
>Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
>Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
>I've been searching my soul tonight
>I know there's so much more to life
>Now I know I can shine a light
>To find my way back home
>
>
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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Something about mary - a question...
Date: 26 Aug 1998 14:44:06 -0600

I don't think one has to be a prude to be offended by "TSAM".  I thought it was funny,
quite funny in parts, but was embarassed to have taken my wife to it.  It could have
been just as funny without being offensive.

Greg

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At 08:47 AM 8/10/98 +0800, you wrote:
>On Sun, 9 Aug 1998, David Lee wrote:
>
>> I've heard a couple of good reviews about the movie, Something About Mary,

     Probably the funniest movie we've seen in many, many years.

     Absolutely not to be missed unless you are prudish.

>> that it's funny and all... could somebody be kind enough to tell me who is
>> in the cast of the movie? Thanks.
>>
>
>Cameron Diaz, Ben Stiller and Matt Dillon. And it's There's Something
>About Mary.
>
>
>Jayson
>-----------------
>I've been down this road walkin' the line
>That's painted by pride
>And I have made mistakes in my life
>That I just can't hide
>Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
>Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
>I've been searching my soul tonight
>I know there's so much more to life
>Now I know I can shine a light
>To find my way back home
>
>
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From: "Danielle Conkle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] The Parent Trap
Date: 26 Aug 1998 13:43:15 PDT


>What did everyone think of "The Parent Trap"?--the new one, obviously.
I
>was pleasantly surprised and delighted to see some references to the
old
>version.  Anyone see it?

   I thought it was a real cute movie.  I've never seen the original,
except for bits and parts, but i liked the new one.  I thought the girl
who played the twins acted really well.


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From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Something about mary - a question... -Reply
Date: 26 Aug 1998 14:03:13 -0700

Gene,

No, I think it pretty much had to be offensive to be so funny.  The
best parts were offensive.  I think it was probably just not for you.

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From: Diane Christy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] The Parent Trap
Date: 26 Aug 1998 17:31:29 -0500

On 8/26/98, 3:43 PM -0500, Danielle Conkle said so nicely:
>   I thought it was a real cute movie.  I've never seen the original,
>except for bits and parts, but i liked the new one.  I thought the girl
>who played the twins acted really well.

You should see the Hayley Mills verson.  It was one of the movies that I
really remember while growing up.  I thought it was really cute and I
thought they did a great job updating the story while still staying true to
it.
~~~~~
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Subject: [MV] REVIEW: WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE
Date: 26 Aug 1998 17:08:22 -0600 (MDT)

WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE
(Warner Bros.)
Starring:  Larenz Tate, Halle Berry, Vivica A. Fox, Lela Rochon, Paul
Mazursky.
Screenplay:  Tina Andrews.
Producers:  Paul Hall and Stephen Nemeth.
Director:  Gregory Nava.
MPAA Rating:  R (profanity, sexual situations, adult themes, violence)
Running Time:  115 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

     I can understand why screenwriter Tina Andrews latched onto the story
behind WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE for fifteen years.  From a commercial
standpoint, it has a great hook:  the real-life story of three women who
all claimed to be the legal widow of Frankie Lymon, lead singer of the
1950s doo-wop group the Teenagers (whose signature hit serves as the
film's title).  From a writer's standpoint, it offers the intriguing
contradiction of its main character, a troubled soul who was a different
man for each of his three different brides before dying of a drug overdose
in 1968.  It's a story with sex, drugs _and_ rock 'n' roll, as well as
colorful characters a-plenty.  Sure enough, this bio-pic offers loads of
curb appeal.

     Unfortunately, Andrews and director Gregory Nava (SELENA) make a big
mistake in their approach to the material -- they decide to turn it into a
rock 'n' roll RASHOMON.  The framing story opens in 1986, with three women
-- former Platters singer Zola Taylor (Halle Berry), petty thief and
single mom Elizabeth Waters (Vivica A. Fox), and schoolteacher Emira Eagle
(Lela Rochon) -- all making a legal claim to be Mrs. Frankie Lymon, with
rights to his musical royalties.  A hearing commences in which each
claimant tells the story of Frankie (Larenz Tate) as she knew him, from
teen star to has-been, from heroin addict to soldier.  The flashbacks
cover 13 years of Frankie's life, with widely varying perspectives on the
man each of the three women married at some point, but none of them
divorced.

     Somewhere buried in that narrative is an interesting -- if somewhat
trite -- entertainment industry life story, the story of a street kid from
an abusive home who becomes dependent on the love he receives from
audiences and women.  Larenz Tate does a fine job of capturing Frankie's
electrifying stage presence, as well as his sheer joy of performing for a
crowd.  In fact, the high-energy performance scenes are generally the
film's best, with Frankie's unbridled on-stage enthusiasm contrasting
sharply with the conservative choreography of his artistic contemporaries.
Tate also has the thankless job of creating a character out of piecemeal
recollections, yet the character still comes together as someone you want
to know more about.

     If only wanting made it so.  Only occasionally does WHY DO FOOLS FALL
IN LOVE hone in on the question of who Frankie Lymon really was.  Too
often Andrews and Nava take off on dead-end tangents -- a vamping,
self-indulgent cameo by Little Richard as himself; the hit-and-run
accusation that Frankie's manager/producer Morris Levy (Paul Mazursky)
cheated him out of millions; broadly comic female bonding sessions which
turn Zola, Elizabeth and Emira into the First, Second and Third Wives'
Club.  When they finally do get around to Frankie himself, they offer
psychologically convenient devices like a shattered mirror in which
Frankie sees his fragmented visage.  The individual snapshots of his life,
including such potentially provoactive subjects as his naive disregard for
1950s social conventions, never seem designed to develop into a complete
portrait.

     Ultimately no one, not even the three women with whom he shared a
life, seems interested in understanding Frankie.  That's what's most
disappointing about WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE:  it's not really a
biography of Frankie Lymon.  The film-makers are usually more interested
in getting inside the the heads of the three women -- providing tart
dialogue for the three talented lead actresses while making them
sympathetic, mis-used you-go-girls -- than getting inside Frankie's head.
Sure, they violate point of view when it serves their purpse to show
things none of the narrators could have seen, but mostly they point out
how Frankie's enigmatic behavior hurt others, not how he hurt himself.
It's a cop-out to start telling a character's story, then shrug your
shoulders and claim not to have any idea who that character is.  Tina
Andrews spent fifteen years waiting to tell the story of a potentially
fascinating rock 'n' roll tragedy, but all she could come up with was a
great big "I dunno."

     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 Frankies, my dear:  5.

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From: "Danielle Conkle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] 54
Date: 26 Aug 1998 21:16:43 PDT

   I saw a commercial for   54
i think it looks good, the main character guy (relationship with Neve's
character...) is really cute.  Has he been in anything else?



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Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
Date: 27 Aug 1998 11:34:59 +0200


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>
>
>      M. Morens wrote-
>        I didn't like this movie at all... Interesting.......I
>      find most Hollywood films totally predictable but most of
>      the twists in this I did not predict.  Out of
>      curiosity......can you tell me any films you did not predict
>      the twist in?  Don't tell me the twists! just titles in case
>      I have not seen some of them.~
>      Gerry T
>
>      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
 Ok...
I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant movie) neither
did I in Diabolique
The twists at the end in L.A. Confidential I couldn't predict....(One of
the best movies I saw the last few years) ...Need other examples???

By the way it's M. MorRens :))

see ya

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Morens wrote-</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT FACE="Arial"><FONT SIZE=-1> </FONT></FONT> I didn't like
this movie at all... <B><FONT SIZE=+1>Interesting.......I find most Hollywood
films totally predictable but most of the twists in this I did not predict.
Out of curiosity......can you tell me any films you did not predict the
twist in?  Don't tell me the twists! just titles in case I have not
seen some of them.~</FONT></B>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=+1>Gerry T</FONT></B>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=+1>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT></B></BLOCKQUOTE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
 Ok...
<BR>I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant movie) neither
did I in Diabolique
<BR>The twists at the end in L.A. Confidential I couldn't predict....(One
of the best movies I saw the last few years) ...Need other examples???

<P>By the way it's M. MorRens :))

<P>see ya
<BR><BR>
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[e-mail]         <BR>
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Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
Date: 27 Aug 1998 09:09:08 -0400

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How about "The Usual Suspects" ??

Rodney
"As far as the eyes can't see" (Horizon Publishing)
www.horizonp.com
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neither did I in Diabolique=20
    The twists at the end in L.A. Confidential I couldn't =
predict....(One of the best movies I saw the last few years) ...Need =
other examples???=20
    By the way it's M. MorRens :))=20

    see ya=20
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Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
Date: 27 Aug 1998 15:52:30 +0200


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>   How about "The Usual Suspects" ?? Rodney"As far as the eyes can't
> see" (Horizon Publishing)
>
>       Ok...
>      I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant
>      movie) neither did I in Diabolique
>      The twists at the end in L.A. Confidential I couldn't
>      predict....(One of the best movies I saw the last few years)
>      ...Need other examples???
>
>      By the way it's M. MorRens :))
>
>      see ya
>
>
Yeah, also good example, didn't see that one coming at all...excellent
movie..
other example ..Liar...I liked it very much...little bit confusing but
cool picture....

thatha

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about "The Usual Suspects" ??</FONT></FONT></FONT> <FONT FACE="Comic Sans MS"><FONT COLOR="#000080"><FONT SIZE=-1>Rodney"As
far as the eyes can't see" (Horizon Publishing)</FONT></FONT></FONT>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000080 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"> Ok...
<BR>I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant movie) neither
did I in Diabolique
<BR>The twists at the end in L.A. Confidential I couldn't predict....(One
of the best movies I saw the last few years) ...Need other examples???

<P>By the way it's M. MorRens :))

<P>see ya
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</BLOCKQUOTE>


<P>Yeah, also good example, didn't see that one coming at all...excellent
movie..
<BR>other example ..Liar...I liked it very much...little bit confusing
but cool picture....

<P>thatha
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Tonys
Date: 27 Aug 1998 08:39:49 -0700

thank you for clearing that up for me!!  (????)

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject:    [MV] Tonys
>
> Short Tony - Tony Leung Chiu-wai is famous for: "Hard-Boiled,"
> "Chungking Express" and "Happy Together." He also sings occassionally.
>
> Tall Tony - Tony Leung Kai-fei is famous for "The Lover" (also starring
> Jane March and directed by Jean-Jacques Annaud), "A Better Tomorrow III"
> and scores of other movies. He also occassionally sings.
>
> To add to the confusion, the two actors sometimes appear in the same
> film. Examples include "Ashes of Time," "He Ain't Heavy, He's My
> Father," "The Eagle Shooting Heroes," and "Always be the Winners."
>
> I think Tony Leung Kai-fei has been in more films (but don't quote me on
> that) and has a zany persona (with a falsetto voice to match) in
> comedies. I like Tony Leung Chiu-wai better in dramas; he's got such a
> killer stare.
>
> As far as I know, Tony Leung Chiu-wai is not gay. His long-time
> girlfriend is actress Carina Lau, who plays his wife in "Ashes of Time,"
> although the two don't have a scene together. (In "He Ain't Heavy, He's
> My Father," Tony Leung Kai-fei plays the father, Carina Lau plays the
> mother  and Tony Leung Chiu-wai plays the son.)
>
> I hope I have added to the confusion.
>
>
>
>
> itchy
>
>
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From: Jer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] 54
Date: 27 Aug 1998 10:59:46 -0600

>   I saw a commercial for   54
>i think it looks good, the main character guy (relationship with Neve's
>character...) is really cute.  Has he been in anything else?

Ryan Phillipe was in I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER.



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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Negotiator review
Date: 27 Aug 1998 09:14:37 -0700

I believe that's Samuel L. Jackson...

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Gene Ehrich <[e-mail]> [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Wednesday, August 26, 1998 1:32 PM
> To:    Movies Mailing List
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Negotiator review
>
> We found it to be a really exciting movie going experience. Samuel T
> Jackson has
> an unbelievable screen presence and Kevin Spacey was good also.
>
> Outstanding movie going experience.
>
> At 05:20 PM 8/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
> >Tense, smart and amazing acting!  I know that the preview kinda sucks -
> it
> >looks like they give away a lot of what's going to happen - but don't
> worry
> >- they don't give anything away.  This is one is full of smart characters
> >and real situations.  Great flick - reminds me slightly of the Fugitive.
> I
> >give it a wopping 89%.
> >Jay the Movieman
> >[e-mail]
>
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Wild Things
Date: 27 Aug 1998 09:24:15 -0700

> á
> I still say I liked "Wild things".á I did not mean you had to see the end
> credits, the film still makes perfect sense without them.......they just
> clear up some of finer points. And talking of films with twists, I defy
> anybody who claims they could work out the ending to Mamet's "House of
> games". Returning to the subject of end credits thatá annoy.........why on
> earth does the film "A life less ordinary" have that dreadful stop motion
> short during it's end?á It is unbearable and lowers my opinion of a
> reasonably entertaining film.
>
>
> [Romero, Leticia]   I loved House of Games!!  Mamet is a closet grifter
> who loves putting one over on the audience, including passing his wives
> off as good actresses!  The Spanish Prisoner is a very cool movie -- the
> performances are little off by everyone except Steve Martin... have you
> seen it yet?
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject: [MV] Screen It  Newsletter (August 27, 1998)
Date: 27 Aug 1998 12:38:17 -0400 (EDT)


Welcome to the Screen It! Newsletter (August 27, 1998).

This week at the movies, the infamous Studio 54, a look at the life of
doowop sensation Frankie Lymon, a romantic comedy in the vein of
"Sleepless in Seattle," and a 1970's coming of age story.

On home video, all but Barney and his great adventure clear out of the
way of the mighty Titanic which sails into video ports this Tuesday.

PLEASE NOTE: The new movie reviews WILL NOT be publicly posted until
LATE Thursday night (EDT) to comply with the studios' wishes/demands.

Next week "Firelight" (Sophie Marceau, Stephen Dillane), "Knockoff"
(Jean-Claude Van Damme, Rob Schneider), and other new releases.

__________________________________________________


NEW MOVIE REVIEWS FOR FRIDAY, AUGUST 28TH:

"54" (1998) (Ryan Phillippe, Mike Myers) (R)
Drama:  A fictionalized account of the infamous 1970's disco that ruled
the New York city scene.  Since we haven't seen the film, we can't tell
you anything about it, but our review will be ready sometime this weekend.
The film is rated R for sexuality, drug use and language.


(National Release) (Coming Soon)
http://www.screenit.com/movies/1998/54.html

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"NEXT STOP, WONDERLAND"(1998) (Hope Davis, Alan Gelfant) (R)
Romantic Comedy: The lives of a romantically challenged night-shift
nurse (Davis) and an ambitious ex-plumber (Gelfant) crisscross as fate
and/or sheer luck eventually brings the two together. One of the better
entries in the romantic comedy genre, this film plays out like a low
budget version of "Sleepless in Seattle."  The film gets its R rating
for profanity.


(Limited Release)
http://www.screenit.com/movies/1998/next_stop_wonderland.html

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"SLUMS OF BEVERLY HILLS" (1998) (Natasha Lyonne, Alan Arkin) (R)
Comedy/Drama: A teen comes of age during the 1970's and must deal with
her quirky and unsympathetic male family, her changing body, and her
awakening sexuality.  An occasionally funny film, this picture is also
subject to spinning its wheels, but offers enough amusing and offbeat
characters and moments to make it worth considering.  The R rating comes
from sexual situations, nudity, profanity and drug use.


(Limited Release)
http://www.screenit.com/movies/1998/slums_of_beverly_hills.html

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"WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE" (1998) (Halle Berry, Larenz Tate) (R)
Drama: Three women, who all claim to be the widow of 1950's doowop
sensation Frankie Lymon, recount their lives with the volatile singer.
A semi-biographical look at the young singer (responsible for the titular
hit song), this film has some decent moments, but often feels haphazard
and the acting occasionally goes over the top. It gets its R rating from
profanity and some sexuality.


(National Release)
http://www.screenit.com/movies/1998/why_do_fools_fall_in_love.html

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NEW VIDEO REVIEWS FOR TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1ST:

"BARNEY'S GREAT ADVENTURE" (1998) (Barney, Trevor Morgan) (G)
Children's: Barney, the purple dinosaur, and several kids try to find a
colorful, oversized egg before it hatches. Entertaining for kids who are
fans of the purple one, but deadly for nearly everyone else, the film
serves its purpose, but little else.  This G-rated film -- that grossed
only around $11 million domestically -- contains just a few moments that
may be a little tense to the youngest of viewers.


(http://www.screenit.com/movies/1998/barneys_great_adventure.html)

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"TITANIC" (1997) (Leonardo DiCaprio, Kate Winslet) (PG-13)
Drama: Two lovers (DiCaprio & Winslet) from different societal classes
must deal with their differences and the fact that they're on board the
doomed cruise ship, the R.M.S. Titanic.  Winner of most of last year's
Academy Awards, the highest grossing film in movie history (around $600
million domestically and another $1.1 billion or so more worldwide), this
sweeping epic is a definite must-see.  The PG-13 rating comes from nudity,
sensuality/sexuality, brief language, and plenty of tense and violent
moments courtesy of one iceberg and a sinking ship.


(http://www.screenit.com/movies/1997/titanic.html)

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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Wild Things
Date: 27 Aug 1998 09:38:13 -0700

I am of the opinion that whomever thinks that the film bounderies begin at
the end of the opening credits isn't a true student of film.... David
Fincher is an AWSOME director with the best visual story telling this side
of Luc Besson.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Toni Slovacek [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Wednesday, August 26, 1998 11:15 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Wild Things
>
> This sounds somewhat strange to me. I have to watch the credits to
> get a better understanding? Now sometimes the credits are funny
> ("No dinosaurs were harmed during the making of the film" - The
> Flintstones), but I wouldn't say they contribute anything  to the
> understanding. So here they do? First thought is: What kinda film is
> that when it has to use the credits to explain the story. But I haven't
> seen it and so when I get a chance I will.
>
>
> Ha! You obviously haven't seen Alien 3 then - where you have to watch the
> opening credits for some 'reasons' why there is suddenly an alien aboard
> the
> Sulacco and Hicks and Newt are killed - but you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! It's
> a
> sucky director who needs to explain things outside of the films
> boundaries!
>
>
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From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
Date: 27 Aug 1998 19:18:51 +0100

Who said anything about being a 'true student of film' - I'm just Joe Q
Public, and your 'awesome' director didn't manage to produce one original
scene, fragment or moment in the entire film - oh golly! where HAVE we seen
those flashing orange lights, strobing lights, heard those wailing sirens
before yada yada yada ... of the four films currently in the series, this is
the only one that paid no attention to what had gone on before, and made no
attempt at being anything other than background MTV style! Erk!
-----Original Message-----


>I am of the opinion that whomever thinks that the film bounderies begin at
>the end of the opening credits isn't a true student of film.... David
>Fincher is an AWSOME director with the best visual story telling this side
>of Luc Besson.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Toni Slovacek [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 11:15 AM
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
>>
>> This sounds somewhat strange to me. I have to watch the credits to
>> get a better understanding? Now sometimes the credits are funny
>> ("No dinosaurs were harmed during the making of the film" - The
>> Flintstones), but I wouldn't say they contribute anything  to the
>> understanding. So here they do? First thought is: What kinda film is
>> that when it has to use the credits to explain the story. But I haven't
>> seen it and so when I get a chance I will.
>>
>>
>> Ha! You obviously haven't seen Alien 3 then - where you have to watch the
>> opening credits for some 'reasons' why there is suddenly an alien aboard
>> the
>> Sulacco and Hicks and Newt are killed - but you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!
It's
>> a
>> sucky director who needs to explain things outside of the films
>> boundaries!
>>
>>
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] david fincher
Date: 27 Aug 1998 11:21:59 -0700

I'll agree about the MTV-style shooting, as to the orignallity of the film,
as you pointed out, it was one of a SERIES, how original can it look?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Toni Slovacek [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, August 27, 1998 11:19 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] Wild Things
>
> Who said anything about being a 'true student of film' - I'm just Joe Q
> Public, and your 'awesome' director didn't manage to produce one original
> scene, fragment or moment in the entire film - oh golly! where HAVE we
> seen
> those flashing orange lights, strobing lights, heard those wailing sirens
> before yada yada yada ... of the four films currently in the series, this
> is
> the only one that paid no attention to what had gone on before, and made
> no
> attempt at being anything other than background MTV style! Erk!
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Romero, Leticia <[e-mail]>
> To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
> Date: 27 August 1998 17:46
> Subject: RE: [MV] Wild Things
>
>
> >I am of the opinion that whomever thinks that the film bounderies begin
> at
> >the end of the opening credits isn't a true student of film.... David
> >Fincher is an AWSOME director with the best visual story telling this
> side
> >of Luc Besson.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Toni Slovacek [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 11:15 AM
> >> To: [e-mail]
> >> Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
> >>
> >> This sounds somewhat strange to me. I have to watch the credits to
> >> get a better understanding? Now sometimes the credits are funny
> >> ("No dinosaurs were harmed during the making of the film" - The
> >> Flintstones), but I wouldn't say they contribute anything  to the
> >> understanding. So here they do? First thought is: What kinda film is
> >> that when it has to use the credits to explain the story. But I haven't
> >> seen it and so when I get a chance I will.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ha! You obviously haven't seen Alien 3 then - where you have to watch
> the
> >> opening credits for some 'reasons' why there is suddenly an alien
> aboard
> >> the
> >> Sulacco and Hicks and Newt are killed - but you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!
> It's
> >> a
> >> sucky director who needs to explain things outside of the films
> >> boundaries!
> >>
> >>
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From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] david fincher
Date: 27 Aug 1998 19:48:24 +0100

Well, interestingly, the first one was a pure thriller, and James Cameron
knew that the second should be very different so he created a
shoot-from-the-hip action/adventure, going a VERY different way! Even
Resurrection managed to slip into a different style with its leanings
towards horror ...
Everyone else managed to infuse their feelings and style into this series.
-----Original Message-----


>I'll agree about the MTV-style shooting, as to the orignallity of the film,
>as you pointed out, it was one of a SERIES, how original can it look?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Toni Slovacek [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 11:19 AM
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
>>
>> Who said anything about being a 'true student of film' - I'm just Joe Q
>> Public, and your 'awesome' director didn't manage to produce one original
>> scene, fragment or moment in the entire film - oh golly! where HAVE we
>> seen
>> those flashing orange lights, strobing lights, heard those wailing sirens
>> before yada yada yada ... of the four films currently in the series, this
>> is
>> the only one that paid no attention to what had gone on before, and made
>> no
>> attempt at being anything other than background MTV style! Erk!
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Romero, Leticia <[e-mail]>
>> To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
>> Date: 27 August 1998 17:46
>> Subject: RE: [MV] Wild Things
>>
>>
>> >I am of the opinion that whomever thinks that the film bounderies begin
>> at
>> >the end of the opening credits isn't a true student of film.... David
>> >Fincher is an AWSOME director with the best visual story telling this
>> side
>> >of Luc Besson.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Toni Slovacek [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 11:15 AM
>> >> To: [e-mail]
>> >> Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
>> >>
>> >> This sounds somewhat strange to me. I have to watch the credits to
>> >> get a better understanding? Now sometimes the credits are funny
>> >> ("No dinosaurs were harmed during the making of the film" - The
>> >> Flintstones), but I wouldn't say they contribute anything  to the
>> >> understanding. So here they do? First thought is: What kinda film is
>> >> that when it has to use the credits to explain the story. But I
haven't
>> >> seen it and so when I get a chance I will.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Ha! You obviously haven't seen Alien 3 then - where you have to watch
>> the
>> >> opening credits for some 'reasons' why there is suddenly an alien
>> aboard
>> >> the
>> >> Sulacco and Hicks and Newt are killed - but you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!
>> It's
>> >> a
>> >> sucky director who needs to explain things outside of the films
>> >> boundaries!
>> >>
>> >>
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] david fincher
Date: 27 Aug 1998 12:05:36 -0700

well then, I guess I'll be the lone champion...

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Toni Slovacek [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, August 27, 1998 11:48 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: [MV] david fincher
>
> Well, interestingly, the first one was a pure thriller, and James Cameron
> knew that the second should be very different so he created a
> shoot-from-the-hip action/adventure, going a VERY different way! Even
> Resurrection managed to slip into a different style with its leanings
> towards horror ...
> Everyone else managed to infuse their feelings and style into this series.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Romero, Leticia <[e-mail]>
> To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
> Date: 27 August 1998 19:30
> Subject: RE: [MV] david fincher
>
>
> >I'll agree about the MTV-style shooting, as to the orignallity of the
> film,
> >as you pointed out, it was one of a SERIES, how original can it look?
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Toni Slovacek [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 11:19 AM
> >> To: [e-mail]
> >> Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
> >>
> >> Who said anything about being a 'true student of film' - I'm just Joe Q
> >> Public, and your 'awesome' director didn't manage to produce one
> original
> >> scene, fragment or moment in the entire film - oh golly! where HAVE we
> >> seen
> >> those flashing orange lights, strobing lights, heard those wailing
> sirens
> >> before yada yada yada ... of the four films currently in the series,
> this
> >> is
> >> the only one that paid no attention to what had gone on before, and
> made
> >> no
> >> attempt at being anything other than background MTV style! Erk!
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Romero, Leticia <[e-mail]>
> >> To: '[e-mail]' <[e-mail]>
> >> Date: 27 August 1998 17:46
> >> Subject: RE: [MV] Wild Things
> >>
> >>
> >> >I am of the opinion that whomever thinks that the film bounderies
> begin
> >> at
> >> >the end of the opening credits isn't a true student of film.... David
> >> >Fincher is an AWSOME director with the best visual story telling this
> >> side
> >> >of Luc Besson.
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Toni Slovacek [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 11:15 AM
> >> >> To: [e-mail]
> >> >> Subject: Re: [MV] Wild Things
> >> >>
> >> >> This sounds somewhat strange to me. I have to watch the credits to
> >> >> get a better understanding? Now sometimes the credits are funny
> >> >> ("No dinosaurs were harmed during the making of the film" - The
> >> >> Flintstones), but I wouldn't say they contribute anything  to the
> >> >> understanding. So here they do? First thought is: What kinda film is
> >> >> that when it has to use the credits to explain the story. But I
> haven't
> >> >> seen it and so when I get a chance I will.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Ha! You obviously haven't seen Alien 3 then - where you have to
> watch
> >> the
> >> >> opening credits for some 'reasons' why there is suddenly an alien
> >> aboard
> >> >> the
> >> >> Sulacco and Hicks and Newt are killed - but you are ABSOLUTELY
> RIGHT!
> >> It's
> >> >> a
> >> >> sucky director who needs to explain things outside of the films
> >> >> boundaries!
> >> >>
> >> >>
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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/27/98
Date: 27 Aug 1998 13:47:57 -0600 (MDT)

Oasis clearly isn't uneasy about criticism that they've
borrowed a little too much from their idols, the Beatles. In
his debut movie "Mad Cows," Guitarist Noel Gallagher will
walk across the Abbey Road intersection pictured on the
cover of the Beatles' 1969 album of the same name, AP
reports. The film is about an Australian who gets caught
shoplifting at London's famed Harrods department store.

                        -=> * <=-

Newlywed parents Uma Thurman and Ethan Hawke are going to
become Manhattanites again. New York's Daily News says the
couple are now spooked by their $1.25 million Snedens
Landing NY house, which they purchased only six months ago.
They're dumping it because, the neighbors say, it's haunted.
Alice Haagensen, 98, the town historian, tells the News that
many of the town's homes are haunted, including the house
across the street from the couple. A spokesman for the
Hawkes says ghosts have nothing to do with their decision to
make their home in the city.

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Subject: [MV] Sci-Fi Movie News - 08/27/98
Date: 27 Aug 1998 14:15:22 -0600 (MDT)

Westwood Studios is shopping around a movie based
on its popular real-time strategy SF game series
Command & Conquer, according to Variety. The film
will reportedly be set in a post-apocalyptic future where
two global factions battle it out for control of the Earth,
although Westwood has not yet developed a script.

With the third C&C title due out this fall--Command &
Conquer Tiberian Sun, which features James Earl Jones
and Michael Biehn--it seems to be a good time to pitch
the franchise. Command & Conquer debuted in 1995 and
his since sold more than 1 million copies across a variety
of platforms that include PCs, Macintoshes, Sony
Playstations and Sega Saturns.

                        -=> * <=-

Haley Joel Osment has agreed to play the part of Cole,
a young boy who seems to have paranormal powers,
in the Disney film Sixth Sense, according to The
Hollywood Reporter. Osment will star opposite Bruce Willis,
who plays the psychotherapist treating Cole.

Osment, who has already been in several films, was a
regular on The Jeff Foxworthy Show and also had
recurring roles on Murphy Brown and Chicago Hope. His
most noteworthy performance was in the Academy
Award-winning film Forrest Gump, where he starred
opposite Tom Hanks as the son of the title character.

                        -=> * <=-

Don Bluth and Gary Goldman, the directors of Fox's film
Anastasia, will likely take over the directorial duties on
Fox's animated SF feature Planet Ice, according to
Variety. The pair will replace Art Vitello, who left the
project after Fox said it was interested in creating the film
digitally rather than using traditional cel animation.

Apparently the digital effects didn't work out quite as
expected, and the final version of the film will use cel
animation to render characters, while the space scenes
will be created digitally. Matt Damon, Bill Pullman, Drew
Barrymore, Nathan Lane, Hank Azaria, Janeane Garofalo,
Lena Olin and Jim Breuer have signed on to voice Planet
Ice, which is due for a 1999 release.

                        -=> * <=-

Columbia Pictures picked up an option on First Murder
in Space, an SF thriller that's reportedly on the fast
track to becoming an event movie, according to
Variety. Speed 2 screenwriter Randall McCormick and
Volcano producer Neal Moritz are collaborating on the
project, which may start filming in early 1999.

The plot of First Murder focuses on a bounty hunter who
travels into space in order to bring back a suspected
killer. Things become complicated when a variety of
competing law enforcement agencies claim jurisdiction
over the case.

                        -=> * <=-

Twentieth Century Fox has officially set May 21, 1999,
as the release date for Star Wars: Episode 1, the first
of the three Star Wars prequel movies. Unlike Sony's
decision to place Godzilla in as many venues as possible,
Fox said it's concentrating on the quality of theaters
rather than the quantity.

"I'm not trying to break any records," Star Wars creator
George Lucas said. "I'm interested in quality presentation,
and a positive group experience for everyone who comes
to see this film. It's about sight and sound and the movie
itself."

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From: Bruce Bridges <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] david fincher -Reply
Date: 27 Aug 1998 13:35:52 -0700

Concerning David Fincher:  While I think he has developed into a very
good director, I think Alien 3 sucked and has no place in the series.


Everybody has their bad days.

bb

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Subject: Re: [MV] Twists.......
Date: 27 Aug 1998 22:14:00 +0100

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    I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant movie) =
neither did I in Diabolique=20
    The twists at the end in L.A. Confidential I couldn't =
predict....(One of the best movies I saw the last few years) ...Need =
other examples???=20
    Sorry about the spelling!  I thought the game was poor, the ending =
was extremely silly and a cop out of the highest order.  When you =
mention "Diabolique", do you mean the S.Stone version?  If so, all I can =
say is that you should try to see the original " Les diaboliques" =
directed by Henri-George Clouzet in 1954.  It is by far the better =
version as the re-make softens the ending.  It should be available on =
videotape as should the same director's "Wages of fear" ( it has been =
remade in the states as the sorceror but is supposed to be poor)which is =
even better!  The same goes for "The vanishing".  The original dutch =
version is excellent and has a far better ending.=20

    L.A confidential was good but in the book Dudley Smith survives! Now =
would that not have made an even better ending!?

    In answer to the other poster.....yup "The usual suspects" was =
excellent.

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the states=20
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better!  The=20
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Subject: [MV] Alien 3
Date: 27 Aug 1998 22:14:10 +0100

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I think the whole point we are missing about Fincher and Alien 3 is that =
he did not get the final cut.  I remember reading an interview with one =
of the cast (can't remember who) which stated that Fincher's original =
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Subject: [MV] The Spanish prisoner
Date: 27 Aug 1998 22:14:04 +0100

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>>=20
>> [Romero, Leticia]   I loved House of Games!!  Mamet is a closet =
grifter
>> who loves putting one over on the audience, including passing his =
wives
>> off as good actresses!  The Spanish Prisoner is a very cool movie -- =
the
>> performances are little off by everyone except Steve Martin... have =
you
>> seen it yet?=20
>>=20
Not yet.......does'nt open here till tomorrow.  Hope to see it next =
week.  Talking of Mamet......another of my favourites is one he scripted =
called "Glengarry Glenross".  An amazing cast and sharp dialogue make it =
a joy to watch.
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] david fincher -Reply
Date: 27 Aug 1998 14:33:42 -0700

LOL!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Bruce Bridges [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, August 27, 1998 1:36 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    RE: [MV] david fincher -Reply
>
> Concerning David Fincher:  While I think he has developed into a very
> good director, I think Alien 3 sucked and has no place in the series.
>
>
> Everybody has their bad days.
>
> bb
>
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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] The Spanish prisoner
Date: 27 Aug 1998 14:34:57 -0700

My husband and I recite dialogue from Glengary all the time!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Gerald Taylor [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, August 27, 1998 2:14 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    [MV] The Spanish prisoner
>
> á
>
>
> á
> Leticia wrote...
> >>
> >> [Romero, Leticia]áá I loved House of Games!!á Mamet is a closet grifter
> >> who loves putting one over on the audience, including passing his wives
> >> off as good actresses!á The Spanish Prisoner is a very cool movie --
> the
> >> performances are little off by everyone except Steve Martin... have you
> >> seen it yet?
> >>
> Not yet.......does'nt open here till tomorrow.á Hope to see it next week.á
> Talking of Mamet......another of my favourites is one he scripted called
> "Glengarry Glenross".á An amazing cast and sharp dialogue make it a joy to
> watch.
> >

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From: "Gregory A. Swarthout" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] The Spanish prisoner
Date: 27 Aug 1998 15:52:59 -0600

Not in mixed company, I hope.  That is the most foul-mouthed movie I have ever seen.

Greg

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Sent:    Thursday, August 27, 1998 3:35 PM

My husband and I recite dialogue from Glengary all the time!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Gerald Taylor [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, August 27, 1998 2:14 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    [MV] The Spanish prisoner
>
>
>
>
>
> Leticia wrote...
> >>
> >> [Romero, Leticia]   I loved House of Games!!  Mamet is a closet grifter
> >> who loves putting one over on the audience, including passing his wives
> >> off as good actresses!  The Spanish Prisoner is a very cool movie --
> the
> >> performances are little off by everyone except Steve Martin... have you
> >> seen it yet?
> >>
> Not yet.......does'nt open here till tomorrow.  Hope to see it next week.
> Talking of Mamet......another of my favourites is one he scripted called
> "Glengarry Glenross".  An amazing cast and sharp dialogue make it a joy to
> watch.
> >

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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Alien 3
Date: 27 Aug 1998 14:52:12 -0700

Once again, my original argument is: Keep Producers out of the loop untill
it's time to sign THE CHECK!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Gerald Taylor [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, August 27, 1998 2:14 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    [MV] Alien 3
>
> I think the whole point we are missing about Fincher and Alien 3 is that
> he did not get the final cut.á I remember reading an interview with one of
> the cast (can't remember who) which stated that Fincher's original ending
> was far darker and would have added to the film no end.

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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] The Spanish prisoner
Date: 27 Aug 1998 14:53:46 -0700

Yes!!  We have so much fun in the supermarket, people staring at us as if we
were having an actual conversation.... evil I know, but I'm working on it...

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Gregory A. Swarthout [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, August 27, 1998 2:53 PM
> To:    '[e-mail]'
> Subject:    RE: [MV] The Spanish prisoner
>
> Not in mixed company, I hope.  That is the most foul-mouthed movie I have
> ever seen.
>
> Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Romero, Leticia [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, August 27, 1998 3:35 PM
> To:    '[e-mail]'
> Subject:    RE: [MV] The Spanish prisoner
>
> My husband and I recite dialogue from Glengary all the time!!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:    Gerald Taylor [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> > Sent:    Thursday, August 27, 1998 2:14 PM
> > To:    [e-mail]
> > Subject:    [MV] The Spanish prisoner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Leticia wrote...
> > >>
> > >> [Romero, Leticia]   I loved House of Games!!  Mamet is a closet
> grifter
> > >> who loves putting one over on the audience, including passing his
> wives
> > >> off as good actresses!  The Spanish Prisoner is a very cool movie --
> > the
> > >> performances are little off by everyone except Steve Martin... have
> you
> > >> seen it yet?
> > >>
> > Not yet.......does'nt open here till tomorrow.  Hope to see it next
> week.
> > Talking of Mamet......another of my favourites is one he scripted called
> > "Glengarry Glenross".  An amazing cast and sharp dialogue make it a joy
> to
> > watch.
> > >
>
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From: "Danielle Conkle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] The Game
Date: 27 Aug 1998 18:01:42 PDT


>    I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant movie)

   All i can say for The Game, was it was an original idea.  Other than
that i did not find this movie enjoyable at all.  Actually i found it
annoying and when it was finally over i didn't feel relief...i felt
anger.  I was so revved up, i wanted to punch somebody.  That wasn't
living, that was playing with your life, living it in fear.



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From: Jayson <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] 54
Date: 28 Aug 1998 09:50:34 +0800 (HKT)

On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Danielle Conkle wrote:

>    I saw a commercial for   54
> i think it looks good, the main character guy (relationship with Neve's
> character...) is really cute.  Has he been in anything else?
>

Are your referring to Ryan Philippe? Anyway, he was also in I Know What
You Did Last Summer.

Jayson
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I've been down this road walkin' the line
That's painted by pride
And I have made mistakes in my life
That I just can't hide
Oh I believe I am ready for what love has to bring
Got myself together, now I'm ready to sing.
I've been searching my soul tonight
I know there's so much more to life
Now I know I can shine a light
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From: "Scott M. Proctor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Alien 3
Date: 27 Aug 1998 23:24:51 -0500

I sincerely do not mean to be tacky or rude with this post, but I must
respond to the post about Alien 3.  Who cares about possible changes to the
ending?  It was the wrong film to begin with.  It was the wrong story from
start to screwed up finish.  That series peaked with Aliens and has been
hopelessly misguided since then.  Who cares if they have awesome special
effects (which they all do) or great cinematography (which they all do) or
good acting (which they all do).  Neither 3 nor 4 have been the right story
to follow 2.

I personally consider Aliens my favorite science fiction film of all time.
I truly wish that 3 or 4 could have eclipsed it, but neither even came
close.  They were simply the wrong story.  Now there is news of 5 and
possibly even 6 and again they will get even further off course by the
continuation of the Wynona Ryder character.  Ripley was a good character to
continue, but so was Hicks.  Ryder's character is not.  Period.

I forced myself to go to 3 and 4 simply to see the special effects.  Judging
from some of the posts to this forum, this is probably considered blasphemy
in some quarters.  I, however, consider this a perfectly good reason to see
a film in and of itself.  Yet I can't help but wish that I had seen a good
story along with the dazzling special effects in 3 and 4.  I know I will end
up wishing the same thing after 5.

To my way of thinking the only way to rectify this situation is to start the
next film with a disclaimer which reads something like the following:

     The producers wish to apologize for the drivel we passed off as
     Alien 3 and Alien 4.  We realize now that we were wrong.  Please
     accept our apologies and forget that we ever released those films.
     Alien 5 will now take up the story where Aliens left off and we can
     all continue from there.

Hicks' character and even Newt's could come back as they should have in 3
and we could all pretend that this franchise never got so completely
off-track.


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From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Alien 3
Date: 28 Aug 1998 07:39:14 +0100

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Actually the whole point was that this instalment went south so far as =
the storyline was concerned - darkness or lack thereof is irrelevant.
The point of creating sequels is to tap into the enormous audiences =
generated by the original(s) - it is not a chance for people (and in =
this instance I use the term advisedly) to decide to throw the previous =
stories out the window as if they never existed. And regardless of final =
cut authority, that's precisely what happened with this film.
Before we get into an further argument about the right of directors to =
add their 'creativity' to a series, can you imagine for one second what =
the Star Wars trilogy (possibly best series of films) would have been =
like if after Empire Strikes Back, Fincher had the helm and decided that =
he would kill off Chewbacca, R2 and 3PO and send Luke and Leia to fuck =
on a prison planet????!!!!!!!!!!!!???????
Would THAT have been okay????
Wake up and smell the excrement when it shows up on your local cinema =
screen!
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    To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
    Date: 27 August 1998 22:13
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   =20
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that he=20
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okay????</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Tonya =)" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Ever After
Date: 28 Aug 1998 01:46:48 -0500

I recently saw Ever After this past weekend.  I found it to be so
wonderful. I was expecting to get a little confused with such an ancient
time setting, but I was completely wrong.  Drew Barrymore did a wonderful
job portraying Cinderella (well a Cinderella-type, since her character
wasnt named Cinderella).  I thought that Anjelica Huston did a good job
being that antagonist too.

It was such a great movie, I recommend it with a 10 out of 10!  Any
comments??

-Tonya
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From: "Meyers, Megan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Ever After
Date: 28 Aug 1998 02:56:42 -0400

 Tonya,
I too have seen this movie and I loved it. The ending was absolutely =
the
best!!!

Regards=20
Megan=DC=20
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> Sent:     Friday, August 28, 1998 12:46 AM
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> ancient
> time setting, but I was completely wrong.  Drew Barrymore did a
> wonderful
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> job
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Subject: [MV] Re Alien 3 qnd star wars
Date: 28 Aug 1998 10:32:31 +0100

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and 3PO and send Luke and Leia to fuck on a prison =
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characters got bumped off as I am fed up with Hollywood's uptight =
attitude to main characters.  Would it not add to the thrill that if =
Chewbacca had been killed there was a chance Luke etc. could have been, =
thus adding to the excitement/danger?  I do.  As for Alien3 I am not =
saying it is a good film.....I just think it is better than some sequels =
and could have been even better if it had not been tampered with.  It is =
Hollywoods fear of originality that spawns the endless rehashings of =
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Subject: [MV] Mamet!!!
Date: 28 Aug 1998 10:32:43 +0100

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it...

My God!!  It was'nt the "Brass balls" speech was it! :-)
Incidentally, have you seen "Oleanna" ?  It's one of those films that =
starts poorly but then sucks you in totally.  Very stagey but the plot =
evolves into a real "Shout at the screen" experience.
You really should write longer posts, you are quite amusing.  What are =
some of your favourite movies?~
Gerry T
~~~~~
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contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
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Subject: Re: [MV] david fincher -Reply
Date: 28 Aug 1998 12:10:42 +0200


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> Concerning David Fincher:  While I think he has developed into a very
> good director, I think Alien 3 sucked and has no place in the series.
>
>
> Everybody has their bad days.
>

 I agree with bruce...I mean,  guys, really, alien3 (alien resurrection
as well for that matter) really really stinked. Alien was pretty good
and I just loved Aliens...
Seven was a good movie, it just wasn't THAT good as everybody
thinks..mass hystery I suppose....
But The Game ...wow dude ...THAT was an awsome thing to see man!!!

looking forward for the next Fincher.....
Manuel Morrens                  [e-mail]
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<BR>

<P>Everybody has their bad days.
<BR> </BLOCKQUOTE>
 I agree with bruce...I mean,  guys, really, alien3 (alien resurrection
as well for that matter) really really stinked. Alien was pretty good and
I just loved Aliens...
<BR>Seven was a good movie, it just wasn't THAT good as everybody thinks..mass
hystery I suppose....
<BR>But The Game ...wow dude ...THAT was an awsome thing to see man!!!
<PRE>looking forward for the next Fincher.....
Manuel Morrens                  [e-mail]
Department of Medicine          <A HREF="http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties">http://minf.vub.ac.be/~mmorrens/eighties</A>
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Subject: Re: [MV] Twists.......
Date: 28 Aug 1998 12:14:13 +0200


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>
>
>
>      Sorry about the spelling!  I thought the game was poor, the
>      ending was extremely silly and a cop out of the highest
>      order.  When you mention "Diabolique", do you mean the
>      S.Stone version?  If so, all I can say is that you should
>      try to see the original " Les diaboliques" directed by
>      Henri-George Clouzet in 1954.  It is by far the better
>      version as the re-make softens the ending.  It should be
>      available on videotape as should the same director's "Wages
>      of fear" ( it has been remade in the states as the sorceror
>      but is supposed to be poor)which is even better!  The same
>      goes for "The vanishing".  The original dutch version is
>      excellent and has a far better ending.
>
>      L.A confidential was good but in the book Dudley Smith
>      survives! Now would that not have made an even better
>      ending!?
>
>      In answer to the other poster.....yup "The usual suspects"
>      was excellent.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
 I agree on The Vanishing, it's typical for Hollywood to create some
happy end...
By the way did you see A Perfect Murder(Douglas/Paltrow) ...I liked it
as well.... ok ok it was a Hitchcock-remake...but still... pretty good
movie ...

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<P><B><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+1>Sorry about the spelling!
I thought the game was poor, the ending was extremely silly and a cop out
of the highest order.  When you mention "Diabolique", do you mean
the S.Stone version?  If so, all I can say is that you should try
to see the original " Les diaboliques" directed by Henri-George Clouzet
in 1954.  It is by far the better version as the re-make softens the
ending.  It should be available on videotape as should the same director's
"Wages of fear" ( it has been remade in the states as the sorceror but
is supposed to be poor)which is even better!  The same goes for "The
vanishing".  The original dutch version is excellent and has a far
better ending.</FONT></FONT></B>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=+1>L.A confidential was good but in the book Dudley Smith
survives! Now would that not have made an even better ending!?</FONT></B>

<P><B><FONT SIZE=+1>In answer to the other poster.....yup "The usual suspects"
was excellent.</FONT></B>

<P><B><FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=+1> </FONT></FONT></B>

<P>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>

<P> </BLOCKQUOTE>
</BLOCKQUOTE>
 I agree on The Vanishing, it's typical for Hollywood to create some
happy end...
<BR>By the way did you see A Perfect Murder(Douglas/Paltrow) ...I liked
it as well.... ok ok it was a Hitchcock-remake...but still... pretty good
movie ...
<PRE>--
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From: "Danielle Conkle" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Ever After
Date: 28 Aug 1998 07:12:20 PDT

>I recently saw Ever After this past weekend.  I found it to be so
>wonderful. I was expecting to get a little confused with such an
ancient
>time setting, but I was completely wrong.  Drew Barrymore did a
wonderful
>job portraying Cinderella (well a Cinderella-type, since her character
>wasnt named Cinderella).  I thought that Anjelica Huston did a good job
>being that antagonist too.
>
>It was such a great movie, I recommend it with a 10 out of 10!  Any
>comments??
    I thought Ever After was pretty good, i was surprised it added
something different to the old story.   I think Barrymore has really
cleaned up and she's been adorable in these last couple movies she's
done.  Anjelica Huston did the best acting job, and even the sisters
played well.  It was nice to have a prince who was attractive, but not
your usual gorgeous model type.  The movie kept me laughing, but i'm not
sure if it was supposed to be funny....but how can you not laugh when
"she's only there for the food"?  ;)

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From: "David Lee" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] The Game
Date: 28 Aug 1998 22:13:37 +0800

Yes, I would have to agree... I went to watch the Game with high
expectations, given that it was a Sean Penn/Michael Douglas movie (I'm a
fan of Michael Douglas you see...) and what with all the hype about Jodie
Foster rejecting the role and all...

But I would have to say that the movie was generally (a tad) disappointing.
Not the ending though, before I discredit the movie too much. Then again, I
could be expecting quite a lot when I went to watch it...

 "Here's wishing you good mental health...."
                                                   -- Frasier Crane

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> From: Danielle Conkle <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: [MV] The Game
> Date: 28 August 1998 09:01
>
>
> >    I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant movie)
>
>    All i can say for The Game, was it was an original idea.  Other than
> that i did not find this movie enjoyable at all.  Actually i found it
> annoying and when it was finally over i didn't feel relief...i felt
> anger.  I was so revved up, i wanted to punch somebody.  That wasn't
> living, that was playing with your life, living it in fear.
>
>
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Subject: [MV] Ever After
Date: 28 Aug 1998 07:29:21 -0700


"'Ever After' is a frothy delight -- it's a little bit Renaissance
Festival, a little bit Monty Python, and a whole lotta fun. A
feminist updating of the Cinderella fairy tale, it never hits
you over the head with its attitude and never takes itself too
seriously."

I loved "Ever After" too -- see my full review at
http://www.flickfilosopher.com/flickfilos/archive/3q98/everafter.html

MaryAnn Johanson
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so
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From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Aliens II vs III
Date: 28 Aug 1998 17:15:52 cet



>  I agree with bruce...I mean,  guys, really, alien3 (alien resurrection
> as well for that matter) really really stinked. Alien was pretty good
> and I just loved Aliens...

I'm surprised at all the raving about the 2nd Alien. I did not like it at
all. The idea about the first one was that there is a creature of utter
beauty. The beauty of perfection. The original alien is so highly
developed that only Ripley's wit can overcome it. In the 2nd they are
degraded to canon fodder. There are hundreds of aliens against about
20 marines - and the only reason why the aliens can get their foot in
the door is because these marines are so dumb and stupid in their
macho behaviour, that they are wasy meat. The acid blood and the
intelligence of the Resurrection play no role whatsoever. And
Cameron started that "Mother" thing. While the idea is quite good -
mother alien vs. mother Ripley, he had to create a yet bigger alien.
Simply because the originals were no threat anymore. There is no
perfection in the 2nd alien. They can be killed by various means and
from every distance. The ultimate stand off by the two mothers are
ridiculous. Ripley with robot can beat mother alien? Doesn't really
sound convincing.

Plus, while Scott's Alien had stunning visuals and Fincher at least
attempted them, I didn't find any of that in Cameron. Sure, he is great
on FX, but working with the camera or lighting is not his speciality
and that prevents him from making visually exciting films to a large
degree. <-- Look! It's a period!

thomas



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From: "Romero, Leticia" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] david fincher -Reply
Date: 28 Aug 1998 08:49:30 -0700

me too!!!

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> Bruce Bridges wrote:
>
>     Concerning David Fincher:á While I think he has developed into a
> very
>     good director, I think Alien 3 sucked and has no place in the
> series.
>     á
>
>     Everybody has their bad days.
>     á
>
> áI agree with bruce...I mean,á guys, really, alien3 (alien resurrection as
> well for that matter) really really stinked. Alien was pretty good and I
> just loved Aliens...
> Seven was a good movie, it just wasn't THAT good as everybody thinks..mass
> hystery I suppose....
> But The Game ...wow dude ...THAT was an awsome thing to see man!!!
> looking forward for the next Fincher.....á
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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/28/98
Date: 28 Aug 1998 10:32:32 -0600 (MDT)

Ben Stiller owes a lot of his career success to failure. The
star of "There's Something About Mary" and "Your Friends and
Neighbors" tells USA Weekend that things may have seemed
bleak not so long ago, but all the experiences paid off.
"You learn more from failures than successes," he says.
Among those bleak experiences was his 1992 Fox-TV "Ben
Stiller Show," which was last in the ratings but which gave
him valuable behind-the-lens experience. He then directed
Jim Carrey in "The Cable Guy" (a comedy that some fans found
too dark) and subsequently lost an opportunity to film a
movie about a Rolling Stones tour. Stiller, 32, credits his
famous parents, comedians Jerry Stiller and Anne Meara, with
teaching him to stay focused and committed and to be
resilient.

                        -=> * <=-

Los Angeles played host recently to the premiere party for
the Miramax film "54" about the famed New York discotheque
where the rich, famous and sometimes not-so-beautiful people
danced and did drugs into the wee hours of the late 1970s.
At the party, New York's Daily News reports, Thelma Houston,
a disco diva of the era, belted out her hit "Don't Leave Me
This Way," to the delight of all, including the film's
stars, Salma Hayek, Ryan Philippe and Mike Myers, who plays
the late Steve Rubell, one of Studio 54's legendary owners.
New York critics lambasted the film, however, with the New
York Times calling the effort "a confused mishmash."

                        -=> * <=-

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Air Force said Thursday it will fly Keiko,
the celebrated killer whale star of the movie "Free Willy," from
Oregon to Iceland Sept. 9 in a major first step toward returning him
to the open ocean. The 10,000-pound whale will be placed in a custom
traveling tank aboard a C-17 military cargo plane and flown non-stop
from Newport, Ore., to the Westman Islands where a specially-built
floating pen is waiting for him. The expected cost of the flight,
nearly $300,000, will be borne by the private Free Willy Keiko
Foundation based in Newport. The foundation will spend about $2
million to establish Keiko in his new Iceland home.

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From: [e-mail] (Kitty Mach)
Subject: Re: [MV] Ever After
Date: 28 Aug 1998 10:45:33 +0100

I give it 10+!
Sad, sad movie. Drew Barrymore did good. Danielle was her characters
name.
You should see it!

Kitty
"When I panick, I make this face."[expression doesn't change]Mulder in
The X-Files Movie
"Someone wasn't worthy..."Spike in BtVS
"No, I'm not one of them, I'm something else."Blade inBlade
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From: "Toni Slovacek" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Aliens II vs III
Date: 28 Aug 1998 18:41:38 +0100

Well there was no problem with killing the alien in Alien actually, it's
just that due to their circumstances (being in space) they would have died
too. Aliens gave Ripley a chance to kick butt instead of having to creep
around utterly terrified the whole time; it worked as a tremendous anti-dote
to the gut-clenching terror of the first one. And the problem with spilling
alien blood on a spaceship was nicely reprised with the discovery of the
queen on the Sulacco (whom we then saw happily blown out of the airlock!).
My personal opinion is that Alien was brilliant as a thriller - all tension
and every idea blocked by a practical obstruction; Aliens was brilliant as
an action/adventure where they seemed to start off with good odds, but were
gradually reduced until the odds were terrible again, and Ripley could earn
her paycheque; Alien 3 - no comment, suck, suck, suck; Alien: Resurrection -
given that they kept the storyline as it had been mutated by twatface, I
applauded and enjoyed this film because it gave us a new and delightfully
ambiguous look at Ripley, refocused attention on a universal problem (the
aliens returning to Earth) and at the same time managed to show new facets
of the aliens, the inspace environment and genetic mangling.
As a member of the public, not a film connoisseur or student, I don't
particularly care whether a shot is artistic or not; my main criteria
revolves around the story, the characters and to a lesser extent the
presentation - if the director is a visionary and wields the spfx wand
gracefully, I consider a major bonus; if they only use spfx then they've
failed. Ridley Scott has been the most original 'visionary' director I've
ever watched - and it tends to be against him that I judge all others!
Enough ranting and raving ...
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>  I agree with bruce...I mean,  guys, really, alien3 (alien resurrection
> as well for that matter) really really stinked. Alien was pretty good
> and I just loved Aliens...

I'm surprised at all the raving about the 2nd Alien. I did not like it at
all. The idea about the first one was that there is a creature of utter
beauty. The beauty of perfection. The original alien is so highly
developed that only Ripley's wit can overcome it. In the 2nd they are
degraded to canon fodder. There are hundreds of aliens against about
20 marines - and the only reason why the aliens can get their foot in
the door is because these marines are so dumb and stupid in their
macho behaviour, that they are wasy meat. The acid blood and the
intelligence of the Resurrection play no role whatsoever. And
Cameron started that "Mother" thing. While the idea is quite good -
mother alien vs. mother Ripley, he had to create a yet bigger alien.
Simply because the originals were no threat anymore. There is no
perfection in the 2nd alien. They can be killed by various means and
from every distance. The ultimate stand off by the two mothers are
ridiculous. Ripley with robot can beat mother alien? Doesn't really
sound convincing.

Plus, while Scott's Alien had stunning visuals and Fincher at least
attempted them, I didn't find any of that in Cameron. Sure, he is great
on FX, but working with the camera or lighting is not his speciality
and that prevents him from making visually exciting films to a large
degree. <-- Look! It's a period!

thomas



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From: [e-mail] (Kitty Mach)
Subject: [MV] Blade
Date: 28 Aug 1998 10:46:26 +0100

comments on the movie?
I haven't seen it, but I want to hear others opinion...

Kitty
"When I panick, I make this face."[expression doesn't change]Mulder in
The X-Files Movie
"Someone wasn't worthy..."Spike in BtVS
"No, I'm not one of them, I'm something else."Blade inBlade
"I want the car. Chicks dig the car."Robin in Batman & Robin
*Chris O'Donnell~Mike Damus~James Marsters

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From: [e-mail] (Kitty Mach)
Subject: Re: [MV] 54
Date: 28 Aug 1998 10:41:04 +0100


His name is Ryan Phillippe he has been in
White Squall
I Know What You Did Last Summer
Nowhere
Little Boy Blue
Homegrown
54
Cruel Inventions
Dancing About Architect


and some others I forgot.
My sister told me about these. She knows alot about him.
Kitty
"When I panick, I make this face."[expression doesn't change]Mulder in
The X-Files Movie
"Someone wasn't worthy..."Spike in BtVS
"No, I'm not one of them, I'm something else."Blade inBlade
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From: Michael Dequina <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] The Movie Report#156, 8/28/98
Date: 28 Aug 1998 11:42:52 -0700

T   H   E
M   O   V   I   E
R   E   P   O   R   T
#156
AUGUST 28, 1998

=>T H I S  W E E K<=
M O V I E S
-_54_
-_Blade_
-_Let's_Talk_About_Sex_
-_Why_Do_Fools_Fall_in_Love_
-_Without_Limits_
-_Wrongfully_Accused_
V I D E O
-_Men_with_Guns_
-_Pocahontas_II:_Journey_to_a_New_World_
-_The_Real_Blonde_
-_Woo_

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=>M O V I E S<=
N E W  R E L E A S E S

_54_ (R) * 1/2
    If there were a subject just screaming to be made into a film, it was
Studio 54, the late Steve Rubell's infamous New York discotheque, which
came to symbolize the taboo-smashing excesses of the disco era's heyday:
easy drugs and even easier sex between everyone, all set to a thumping
dance beat.  So when Miramax started production on _54_ last year, the buzz
of hype and resulting anticipation began: an edgy film as down-and-dirty as
the club itself, written and directed by a promising first-timer (Mark
Christopher) and starring some hot young talent (Salma Hayek, Neve
Campbell, newcomer Ryan Phillippe, and Mike Myers in his dramatic debut).
    My, how easily does the worm turn.  Hype turned into damage control when
word got out about 11th-hour reshoots (wrapped only a month ago), a rash of
studio-imposed edits that left virtually the entire cast and crew
(especially Christopher) unhappy, and the very likely possibility that
Miramax would not screen the finished film for critics.  At the last
minute, though, Miramax did decide to screen the film (so hastily scheduled
was the screening that Myers's last name was misspelled on the invitation,
not to mention the numerous typos in the press notes) for a media audience
that came away noticeably less than impressed, myself included.  And with
good reason--somehow, some way, the supremely disappointing _54_ has made
the historically hip haven of hedonism... boring.
    Although Christopher has distanced himself from the finished film, he
still must shoulder some of the blame for _54_'s lifelessness.  _54_
focuses, for the most part, on a tight-knit trio of employees at the club:
coat check girl/aspiring disco diva Anita (a wasted Hayek); her busboy
husband, Greg (Breckin Meyer); and, most prominently, the fresh-from-Jersey
Shane O'Shea (Phillippe), who enjoys a quick rise from busboy to head
bartender.  These characters are about as generic as those descriptions.
In focusing on the hired help, Christopher really missed the boat.  With
the exception of the flamboyant, always-woozy Rubell (Myers, in a
well-modulated turn), the meaty stories to be told at Studio 54 are not the
workers' but those of the people who went there to party; not necessarily
the numerous VIP guests, but the wild eccentrics who managed to be picked
from the crowd by the club's famously hard-ass doormen and dance (among
other things) the night away with the rich, famous, and infamous (the only
taste of the crowd comes by way of Ellen Dow's feisty Dottie, a disco- and
drug-crazed granny, but she's a peripheral character at best).  As such,
aside from the expected overhead crowd shots, there is precious little
actual _dancing_ in _54_.  What is a disco film--especially one about the
pinnacle of the movement--without the dancing?  Even Whit Stillman's
_The_Last_Days_of_Disco_, which wasn't so much concerned with disco as it
was witty dialogue within a group of hip-to-only-themselves club-hopping
preppies, featured at least one extended dance scene.
    Dancing isn't the only thing glazed over in _54_--so is the sex, but that
may not be entirely Christopher's fault.  From what I've heard, his
original vision was something considerably more dark and daring, starting
with the Shane character: he was conceived (and actually filmed) as a wild,
morally ambiguous bisexual, which would have made an efficient springboard
to cover the pansexual pleasure palace aspect of Studio 54's legend.  But
somewhere between principal photography and the final cut, Shane was
defanged and quite literally straightened out; consequently, so was the
film.  Aside from a brief glimpse of erotic encounters toward the beginning
of the film, Shane's fleeting dalliance with seductive socialite Billie
(Sela Ward), and an abbreviated bedhopping montage, the sexual dimension is
just about ignored.  Shane, in this incarnation, is sanitized to the point
of blandness, an idealistic do-gooder who pines for a frequent guest at the
club, Julie Black (Campbell), a worldly soap star with, yes, a heart of
gold.  This tacked-on "romance" would have been slightly less tedious if
either Campbell or Phillippe made some connection with each other or the
audience.  They fail on both counts.
    Ultimately, _54_'s failure comes down to three letters: F-U-N.  As in,
there isn't any to be had for the audience.  Too much time is spent with
the boring Shane, and too little is spent on the club floor, where all the
action took place.  Anyhow, though, whatever time is spent on the 54 floor
is not used very effectively.  When Anita finally gets her big break and
perform onstage at the club, it should be a euphoric height, for her, the
crowd, and the audience; however, the moment doesn't get a chance to reach
that level, for it is cut short by a moment of forced sentimentality, which
also mars the film's conclusion (one of the last-minute reshoots).
Strangely upbeat and wistful, the resolution is wholly unconvincing and
unsatisfying.
    There is an interesting portrait of Studio 54 out there--two of them, in
fact--but _54_ is not one of them.  They're on cable TV: a couple of
documentaries produced by E! and VH1.  These two fascinating looks at the
club and all the sordid goings-on within it show that there's still a great
disco movie to be made.  The problem is, after the critical and certain box
office failure of _54_, the subject may have run its Hollywood course.

IN BRIEF

_Blade_ (R) ***
    After years of attempts (_Howard_the_Duck_, anyone?  _The_Punisher_?), the
once-mighty, now-beleaguered Marvel Comics has a potential film franchise
in, ironically, one of their most obscure and ridiculed heroes: Blade
(Wesley Snipes), a human/vampire hybrid who hunts down the undead to avenge
his dead mother, who was attacked by a vampire when she was pregnant, thus
making Blade into what he is.  There is one long slow patch, and Stephen
Dorff's unmenacing villain is clearly no match for the intense Snipes, but
the inventive production design, energized action sequences (featuring
martial arts choreography by Snipes himself), and stylish direction by
Stephen Norrington make this ideal summer fare: quite enjoyable, and
equally disposable.

_Let's_Talk_About_Sex_ (R) no stars
    Let's not.  Troy Beyer's directorial debut (she also wrote and stars)
offers plenty of the bawdy talk the title promises.  But it's wrapped
around a load of dreck.  Advice columnist Jazz (Beyer) aspires to be a talk
show hostess, and the candid woman-to-woman interviews she shoots for an
audition tape send Jazz and her two roommates, Lena (Randi Ingerman) and
Michelle (Paget Brewster), on that dreaded "journey of self-discovery"
traveled in too many independent films.  Jazz unlocks a secret trauma that
keeps her from committing to her perfect man (Joseph C. Phillips); slutty
Lena realizes she just wants to be loved; bitchy Michelle realizes that her
coldness comes from fear.
    And the audience, what does it discover about these characters?  They're a
bunch of crybabies.  Make that just "babies," because the duct-challenged
Beyer, Ingerman, and Brewster cannot muster a single tear between them,
which is a glaring problem once the film settles into its almost laughably
dissonant tone: raunchy interview segments alternating with soppy,
melodramatic crying scenes that sent my eyes rolling.  The film's
hilariously overblown housework-as-grieving climax, complete with cleanser
cans being thrown in frustration, has to be a cinema landmark of some sort.
 As for the film's purported insight into female sexuality (most of the
interviews are done with real people, not actors), to me it seems that
Beyer simply chose the most outrageous segments for inclusion in the film,
rather than the most honest.  Terrible writing, terrible acting, terrible
direction--terrible film.  (opens September 11)

_Why_Do_Fools_Fall_in_Love_ (R) ***
    As the summer popcorn season winds down, and the weightier fall/holiday
season begins, here arrives a smoothly executed "transition" film, which
tackles some fairly serious subject matter in a fun, entertaining,
guilt-free package.  _Why_Do_Fools..._ centers on the court battle between
the late doo wop singer Frankie Lymon's (Larenz Tate) three
wives--glamorous singer Zola Taylor (Halle Berry), petty thief Elizabeth
Waters (Vivica A. Fox), and demure schoolmarm Emira Eagle (Lela Rochon)--
for his estimated $4 million estate .  Testimony-stemmed flashbacks
chronicle Lymon's quick rise to fame as the lead singer of the Teenagers
(famous for the classic title song), his equally quick fall into obscurity
and drugs, and the circumstances behind his untimely death.
    Director Gregory Nava's recreation of Lymon's late '50s-early '60s
performances are exuberant, buoyed by Tate's charismatic performance,
which, in turn, provides a sympathetic anchor when things turn dark.  The
lighter court storyline is a bit more cliched and stereotyped, with all the
verbal catfights between the women, but the appealing trio of Berry,
Rochon, and especially Fox (in the showiest role of the three) make the
proceedings enjoyable.  These two contrasting sides, Lymon's tragically
short existence and the battle between the three widows, are meshed
together with ease into a pleasing cinematic confection by Nava, a proven
hand musical biographies (_Selena_).

_Without_Limits_ (PG-13) ***
    The second of the two Steve Prefontaine biopics sat on the Warner Bros.
shelf for a year to distance itself from last year's shallow
Disney-produced "mockumentary," _Prefontaine_, but the WB execs needn't
have bothered--their film, co-written (with Kenny Moore) and directed by
Robert Towne, clearly wins the race.  Compared to the other film, which
portrayed the '70s track star as simply arrogant, _Without_Limits_ paints a
much more sympathetic picture of the charismatically cocky Prefontaine
(here played by Billy Crudup), making his tragic story (a disappointment at
the '72 Olympics, an attempt at a '76 comeback cut short by a fatal car
accident) much more involving.  Still, Towne makes a couple of missteps: a
recurring image of a young Pre trying to outrun other boys makes for some
lame symbolism, and the ending doesn't pack the tearjerking wallop it
needs.  Compensating, though, are a couple of sterling lead performances by
Crudup, who can run circles actingwise around _Prefontaine_'s pallid lead
Jared Leto; and Donald Sutherland, who plays Pre's mentor, University of
Oregon track coach (and future Nike founder) Bill Bowerman.  (opens
September 11)

_Wrongfully_Accused_ (PG-13) 1/2*
    If _Jane_Austen's_Mafia!_ and _BASEketball_ were the final nails in the
coffin of the Zucker/Abrahams/Zucker joke-a-second brand of cinematic
comedy, then this largely laughless _Fugitive_ spoof, written and directed
by ZAZ's frequent silent "P," Pat Proft, is the hydraulic lift (make that
"drop") that sends the coffin six feet under _and_ the dirt that's piled on
top.  An understandably tired-looking Leslie Nielsen, who should seriously
consider retirement from this tired genre, is the Harrison Ford stand-in
wrongfully accused (we have a title!) of murder; Richard Crenna falls flat
on his face trying to replicate Tommy Lee Jones's quick-tongued quips as
the federal marshal on Nielsen's trail.  There are a few amusing sight
gags, but fans of ZAZ know that the team's best efforts also featured
absurdly funny, deadpan verbal jokes (one of my all-time favorites, from
_Hot_Shots!_Part_Deux_:  Topper: "I want to meet your parents and pet your
dog."  Ramada: "My parents are dead, Topper; my dog ate them.").  All of
the wisecracks here land with a thud.  Jerry Zucker broke from the ZAZ
formula back in 1990 with _Ghost_ and never looked back; it's time for his
former cohorts--brother David, Jim Abrahams, and Proft--to move on as well.

IN CURRENT RELEASE
(full reviews of the following in past MRs and at the listed URLs)

-_Armageddon_ (PG-13) *** <MR#149, 7/1/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#armageddon
-_The_Avengers_ (PG-13) no stars <MR#155, 8/20/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt38.html#avengers
-_Billy's_Hollywood_Screen_Kiss_ (R) *** <MR#148, 6/26/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#billy
-_Dance_with_Me_ (PG) ** <MR#154, 8/13/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt38.html#dance
-_Dead_Man_on_Campus_ (R) * <MR#155, 8/20/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt38.html#deadman
-_Doctor_Dolittle_ (PG-13) ** <MR#148, 6/16/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#dolittle
-_Ever_After_ (PG-13) *** <MR#152, 7/30/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#everafter
-_Halloween:_H20--20_Years_Later_ (R) *** <MR#152, 7/30/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#h20
-_How_Stella_Got_Her_Groove_Back_ (R) *** <MR#155, 8/20/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt38.html#stella
-_Lethal_Weapon_4_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#lethal4
-_The_Mask_of_Zorro_ (PG-13) *** <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#zorro
-_Mulan_ (G) **** <MR#147, 6/17/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt35.html#mulan
-_The_Negotiator_ (R) *** <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#negotiator
-_The_Opposite_of_Sex_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#144, 5/29/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt34.html#sex
-_Return_to_Paradise_ (R) *** <MR#154, 8/13/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt38.html#paradise
-_Saving_Private_Ryan_ (R) **** <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#ryan
-_Slums_of_Beverly_Hills_ (R) ** 1/2 <MR#155, 8/20/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt38.html#slums
-_There's_Something_About_Mary_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#150, 7/10/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt36.html#mary
-_Your_Friends_&_Neighbors_ (R) *** 1/2 <MR#154, 8/13/98>
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt38.html#friends

FUTURE FILMS

-_Lolita_ (R) ** 1/2 <MR#151, 7/24/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#lolita
   (September 25)
-_Pecker_ (R) ** 1/2 <MR#153, 8/7/98>
  http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt37.html#pecker
   (September 25)

O N  T H E  H O R I Z O N
FRIDAY

_54_ (R) * 1/2 <see above review>
    Mark Christopher's eagerly awaited, utterly lifeless film set in the
infamous New York disco.  Ryan Phillippe, Salma Hayek, Neve Campbell, and
Mike Myers star.

_Why_Do_Fools_Fall_in_Love_ (R) *** <see above review>
    Slight but fun fact-based film about three women (Halle Berry, Vivica A.
Fox, and Lela Rochon) vying for the estate of late singer Frankie Lymon
(Larenz Tate).


~~~

=>V I D E O<=
N E W  T H I S  W E E K

_Men_with_Guns_ (R) ***
Full review in MR#133, 3/5/98; and at:
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt30.html#hombres
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
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p?MMID=40962
    John Sayles's engrossing, if distant, largely Spanish-language drama about
a doctor (Federico Luppi) in Latin America who tries to track down the
missing students he sent to provide medical care to small villages.
(Columbia TriStar Home Video)

_Pocahontas_II:_Journey_to_a_New_World_ ** 1/2
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
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    Disney's oft-maligned, incredibly underrated 1995 romantic drama would
seem like an odd candidate for one of the Mouse's quickie direct-to-video
sequels.  However, it is, in fact, the one animated feature that truly
lends itself to one since there is more to the Native American heroine's
real life story than what was covered in the first film.
_Journey_to_a_New_World_ takes place an unspecified amount of time after
the end of the original film, with Pocahontas (once again spoken by Irene
Bedard and sung by Judy Kuhn), still lamenting the loss of love John Smith,
travelling to England with diplomat John Rolfe (Billy Zane) in an effort to
negotiate a lasting peace between her people and English settlers.  Upon
arrival in London, Poca and Rolfe grow close and develop a fondness for
each other--which is put to the test with the reappearance of Smith (Donal
Gibson, sitting in for--and sounding remarkably like--his brother Mel).
    While _Journey_to_a_New_World_ is the best of the crop of Disney's
direct-to-video animation sequels (which also includes two
awful-to-mediocre _Aladdin_ sequels and an insulting _Beauty_and_the_Beast_
"midquel" that is true blasphemy), it's still a slapdash effort, with none
of gorgeous colors and animation of the first film, and little of its
emotional resonance.  Smith is regressed to the cocky swashbuckler he was
at the beginning of the first film, making Poca's ultimate choice between
him and Rolfe, which should have been a dramatically conflicted one, rather
obvious and easy.  Predictably, the new songs are a pale shadow of the Alan
Menken-Stephen Schwartz feature score, but there is one memorable tune:
Poca's introspective "Where Do I Go From Here?" which serves as the movie's
signature theme.  (Walt Disney Home Video)

_The_Real_Blonde_ (R) 1/2*
Full review in MR#131, 2/19/98; and at:
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt29.html#blonde
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
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p?MMID=40951
    Atrocious mess of a comedy focusing on the romantic and professional
struggles of two New York actors (Matthew Modine and Maxwell Caulfield).
Catherine Keener, Bridgette Wilson, Daryl Hannah, Denis Leary, and
Elizabeth Berkley also star.  (Paramount Home Video)

_Woo_ (R) **
Full review in MR#141, 5/7/98; and at:
http://www.godamongdirectors.com/mrbrown/movierpt33.html#woo
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
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    A nice rapport between stars Jada Pinkett Smith and Tommy Davidson is
largely squandered in this uneven, clumsy romantic comedy between the
titular party girl (Pinkett Smith) and a square paralegal (Davidson).  (New
Line Home Video)

A L S O  N E W  T H I S  W E E K

_The_Leading_Man_ (R)
Rent or buy at Reel.com:
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p?MMID=12460
      A playwright (Lambert Wilson) hires a movie star (Jon Bon Jovi) to
seduce his wife (Anna Galiena) in John Duigan's comic thriller.  (BMG
Independents)


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=>N E X T  W E E K<=

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-_Rounders_
-_Simon_Birch_

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3) Stevie Nicks, "Fantasy Island," and disco: back with a vengeance.

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perch in favor of "That '70s Show."

3) Stevie Nicks, "Fantasy Island," and disco: back with a vengeance.

4) Bell-bottoms, platform shoes, and blue eyeshadow spotted on otherwise
sane citizens.

5) Shades of Watergate inside the Beltway.

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and I have no desire for reminiscing. But this week, purely in the name of
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Subject: Re: [MV] Ever After--Danielle/Nicole
Date: 28 Aug 1998 20:46:35 PDT

>I give it 10+!
>Sad, sad movie. Drew Barrymore did good. Danielle was her characters
>name.
>You should see it!

   :)  Speaking of her name reminded me of something weird i
noticed...my name is Danielle and in the movie Danielle pretended to be
"Nicole"---which is my sister's name :)  But HAH! as we all know the
*real* princess is Danielle.  Okay, you don't care, i just thought it
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Subject: RE: [MV] Something about mary - a question... -Reply
Date: 29 Aug 1998 07:50:30 -0400

At 02:03 PM 8/26/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Gene,
>
>No, I think it pretty much had to be offensive to be so funny.  The
>best parts were offensive.  I think it was probably just not for you.

  We thought it was great. I'm the one that made the original comment.

  You should have directed your comment to the other gentleman.

  I agree with you. Without the offensive parts it would have been just
another sort of funny movie.

>
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Subject: Re: [MV] The Game
Date: 29 Aug 1998 07:52:07 -0400

At 06:01 PM 8/27/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>>    I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant movie)
>
>   All i can say for The Game, was it was an original idea.  Other than
>that i did not find this movie enjoyable at all.  Actually i found it
>annoying and when it was finally over i didn't feel relief...i felt
>anger.  I was so revved up, i wanted to punch somebody.  That wasn't
>living, that was playing with your life, living it in fear.
>

  Original ideas, poorly executed and very, very boring.

  It's a shame to waste good talent.

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Subject: [MV] Alien v. Aliens
Date: 30 Aug 1998 01:02:05 +0900



greuel wrote:

> I'm surprised at all the raving about the 2nd Alien. I did not like it at
> all. The idea about the first one was that there is a creature of utter
> beauty. The beauty of perfection. The original alien is so highly
> developed that only Ripley's wit can overcome it.

The design of the alien is such a gimmick. It is unnatural. How can
evolution account for a creature that needs to go through two separate
gestation periods? That's so wasteful. And the acidic blood is a goof. It
seems like the alien creature would have no natural enemy. Why would it need
acidic blood.

Hmmm...maybe I missed something somewhere. Did the aliens develop naturally
or were they created through genetic manipulation? Maybe I missed some
dialogue in one of the later films. (I saw "Alien3" in a theater with
terrible sound. The dialogue sounded like it was spoken underwater. I was
about to complain when I realized it added to the movie. Not knowing what
the actors were actually saying made the film seem mysterious and more
interesting. I was only one of five people in the theater and I think the
other four were asleep. And "Alien Resurrection" was so bad, I was just
muttering to myself for the better part of the film.)

As for "Alien" v. "Aliens," both are very well-made and totally different
films. I think if the first film had taken place on a military ship, the
crew would have had an easier time killing the alien. Crews of freighter are
not trained to handle such situations.

"Aliens" is one of my favorite films because it is such a well-thought out
action film that has no wasted scenes. And the second half left me
breathless.


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Subject: Re: [MV] there's something about mary..
Date: 29 Aug 1998 13:59:01 EDT

From Movie Maven #2

There's Something About Mary

Ben Stiller  Cameron Diaz  Matt Dillon

Plot?  Well...

Boy meets girl.  Boy loses girl.  Boy finds girl again.  Other boys
find girl.  Girl winds up with somebody.

First of all, this movie is hysterically funny.  There were times I
laughed so hard that I nearly peed my pants.  It was a hoot and
a half.

The humor is very adult.  Much of which I could never repeat.
Please do not take your children.  Or, for that matter, easily
offended adults.  Which goes to say that you might be viewing
it without the company of spouse or partner.

Again, I laughed so hard that I cried and nearly, well you know.
I even snort whenever I watch the television commercials.  As I
tell my sons, " Silliness makes life worth living."

Cameron Diaz is a dear.  She is lovely to look upon, charming, and
a funny goof.

Matt Dillon, in this movie, is such a charming sleazeball.  Matt,
nobody oozes deception better than you.

Ben Stiller's parents must be proud.  Their genes combined to
form comedic genius in the personification of their son.  He is a
lovable goon.

I just found everyone, everything, in and about this movie to be
a gas.
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Subject: [MV] Dance With Me
Date: 29 Aug 1998 15:55:08 EDT

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I just saw dance with me, and i thought it was really good. i love to dance,
and that might be the reason why i liked it so much. The only thing i didn't
like was the toddler behind me screaming in my ear....don't u hate that???
Then, that kid wokd up a baby, and the mother wouldn't take her kid out of the
theatre. The kids ruined the whole fishing scene (the most important one) and
i missed the ENTIRE conversation, and my friend had to fill me in. I still
enjoyed it, though. I think it's worth seeing.


Just my thoughts....

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I personally love star wars, and it did have a plot. One movie that didn't
have a GOOD plot was Mafia. Every movie has a plot, it is just whether or not
it is interesting and good. If Star Wars didn't have a plot, nobody would like
it. Well, that's my opinion at least....

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Subject: [MV] MovieJuice! - Week of August 30, 1998
Date: 29 Aug 1998 22:31:51 -0400

54 - BOOGER NIGHTS

by Mark Ramsey

http://www.moviejuice.com

August 30, 1998

I suppose my favorite tune from the disco era had to be "Push, Push in the Bush," which, as I recall, was a soaring ballad in support of agricultural labor rights in sub-Saharan Africa.  Later, it was covered by George Michael as "Push, Push in the Tush," but that's another story.

Return with us, friends, to the days when a Fawcett was a poster on the wall rather than a chrome bathroom appliance.  Those Fantasy Island days when "models danced with plumbers," everyone had a favorite Angel, and Mork was that Dork from Ork.  The disco daze when Blair was the hottest chick in private school and something was just not right with Jo.  Live, from New York, it's Saturday Night, Baby!

Like it or not, Saturday Night Fever is reborn in 54, a disco-duck-and-cover tribute to Harrison Ford's fast-advancing age and the white-hot, white-drugged 70's dance club of the same name.  "You've never been anywhere until you've been here," says the pitch line.  That's a slight revision from the original:  "You'd rather be anywhere else but here."

Studio 54, you see, was the center of the universe - a theory once advanced by Copernicus as a "fuck you" to all those heliocentric assholes who considered disco the devil's music and their king - Evelyn Champagne King, to be exact.

The guy from I Know What You Did Last Summer stars as Shane O'Shea, whose full name is Shane O'Shitty Shameful Show O'Shea.

Also on board is the princess of passion, the dream of Scream, the lovely Nevelicious Campbell.   Neve's in search of Indie street cred in the Parker Posey role as a Soap actress willing to sleep with anybody who advances her career - as if anyone like that exists in real life!  Campbell's Soap is good food, baby!  Marvel as Neve wraps her tender tentacles around the longest and skinniest cigarettes I've ever seen.  Is she sucking smoke or blowing darts?  Is she preparing to pole-vault or is she about to fence with Liza Minelli's lashes?  En garde!  En mascara!

But all is not lost.  Great performances are turned in by the blistering Salma Hayek and comic genius Mike Myers who, displaying a virulent case of "Jim Carrey Envyitis" and a serpentine "Coffee-Talk" accent, plays a real pocket protector's pocket protector.  Check out that nose on Mike!   The minute that proboscis hits the screen, the Miramax special effects wizards mimic Director William Castle's "Emergo," as a huge schnozz emerges from the screen tethered to a rope, wafting over the audience's heads.  Look out, folks, it's gonna BLOW!

In its heyday, Studio 54 attracted the Beautiful People the way musicians attract Winona Ryder.  Just take a gander at the guest list:  Andy Warhol, Truman Capote, Bianca Jagger, and famous feline culinary designer Halston Purina.   All present and accounted for in the party to end all parties.  Chocked full of Peter Frampton wannabes, checkerboard faces, and Marie Antoinette heads - all improperly joined at the neck I might add.

All this is fine for the big cities, but either cineplexes across America are suddenly haunted, or breadbasket theaters showing 54 have been converted to temporary ghost-towns.  There's more tumbleweed in the aisles than baffled patrons in the seats.  Strangely, goings-on are so peculiar that Miramax called in Sightings to investigate.  Thus far, the only paranormal experiences reported are the bionic ghost of Lee Majors' career and the strange feeling of "suspend-o" provoked by Neve's perky breasts.

Plus, the title "54" implies counting is required, doesn't it?  As anyone knows, if folks liked movies that required counting, then Sesame Street would spin off flicks the way SNL does - and probably better ones at that.

I guess I expected even more debauchery from the legendary zenith of hedonism.  If only it had more 69, I wouldn't 86 54.

Copyright 1998 Mark Ramsey. All rights reserved.  NO PORTION MAY BE REPRODUCED WITHOUT THE EXPRESS WRITTEN PERMISSION OF THE AUTHOR.
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From: "Gerald Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Twists.......
Date: 30 Aug 1998 06:36:28 +0100

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           =20
            By the way did you see A Perfect Murder(Douglas/Paltrow) =
...I liked it as well.... ok ok it was a Hitchcock-remake...but still... =
pretty good movie ...=20

Again,,,,another film that has not hit
our shores yet.....it is becoming fairly
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lot of other european countries are
beggining to see the films before us! Have
you seen the original "Les diaboliques" if
you have not and think that it is
unavailible, I will happilly tell you what
made it better than the atrocious S. Stone
version.~
Gerry T
~~~~~
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contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake and weep for their sins,
they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning =
things,
Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of =
years ago,
not one is respectable or unhappy over the whole earth.
                                                               Walt =
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hit</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>our shores =
yet.....it is becoming fairly</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT =
size=3D4>common for films to take roughly two =
months</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>to get here =
after your showings.  "Ryan" =
</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>does not arrive until =
"Sept 11" and =
"Something</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>about =
Mary" until the end of September. A =
</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>lot of other european =
countries are</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>beggining =
to see the films before us! Have</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT =
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if</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>you have not and =
think that it is</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT =
size=3D4>unavailible, I will happilly tell you =
what</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>made it better =
than the atrocious S. Stone</FONT></STRONG></PRE><PRE><STRONG><FONT =
size=3D4>version.~
Gerry T
~~~~~
I think I could turn and live with animals, they are so placid and self =
contained,
I stand and look at them long and long.
They do not sweat and whine about their condition,
They do not lie awake and weep for their sins,
they do not make me sick discussing their duty to God,
not one is dissatisfied, not one demented with the mania of owning =
things,
Not one kneels to another nor to his own kind that lived thousands of =
years ago,
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                                                               Walt =
Whitman.
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Subject: [MV] Content-Type: text/plain
Date: 30 Aug 1998 04:47:43 PDT

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From: "Frimann Freyr Bjornsson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] David Lynch style
Date: 30 Aug 1998 16:08:45 -0000

Hi


I recently saw David Lynch┤s Eraserhead and I was blown away, this is
exactly the style I like.

I┤m looking for some recommendations on some good films, possibly in that
style, something like Eraserhead, Lost Highway, etc.


Best Regards
Frφmann Freyr Bj÷rnsson

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They project upon us their convictions
   --we are nothing but blank screens.
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From: "Mr. White" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] The Game
Date: 30 Aug 1998 11:13:21 -0500

How can a fan of Michael Douglas have high expectations about anything?

Richard J. Doyle
Visual Basic & Access Developer
CRW Systems

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[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of David Lee
Sent:    Friday, August 28, 1998 9:14 AM

Yes, I would have to agree... I went to watch the Game with high
expectations, given that it was a Sean Penn/Michael Douglas movie (I'm a
fan of Michael Douglas you see...) and what with all the hype about Jodie
Foster rejecting the role and all...

But I would have to say that the movie was generally (a tad) disappointing.
Not the ending though, before I discredit the movie too much. Then again, I
could be expecting quite a lot when I went to watch it...

 "Here's wishing you good mental health...."
                                                   -- Frasier Crane

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> From: Danielle Conkle <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: [MV] The Game
> Date: 28 August 1998 09:01
>
>
> >    I didn't expect the twists in "the game" (...brilliant movie)
>
>    All i can say for The Game, was it was an original idea.  Other than
> that i did not find this movie enjoyable at all.  Actually i found it
> annoying and when it was finally over i didn't feel relief...i felt
> anger.  I was so revved up, i wanted to punch somebody.  That wasn't
> living, that was playing with your life, living it in fear.
>
>
>
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Subject: RE: [MV] David Lynch style
Date: 30 Aug 1998 11:16:30 -0500

Check out "Tales from the Gimli Hospital" by Canadian director Guy Maddin.

Richard J. Doyle
Visual Basic & Access Developer
CRW Systems

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[mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Frimann Freyr
Bjornsson
Sent:    Sunday, August 30, 1998 11:09 AM

Hi


I recently saw David Lynch┤s Eraserhead and I was blown away, this is
exactly the style I like.

I┤m looking for some recommendations on some good films, possibly in that
style, something like Eraserhead, Lost Highway, etc.


Best Regards
Frφmann Freyr Bj÷rnsson

    We are what people say we are. . .
They project upon us their convictions
   --we are nothing but blank screens.
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From: "greuel" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] David Lynch style
Date: 30 Aug 1998 19:00:40 cet

> I recently saw David Lynch=B4s Eraserhead and I was blown away, this is
> exactly the style I like.
>=20
> I=B4m looking for some recommendations on some good films, possibly in =
that
> style, something like Eraserhead, Lost Highway, etc.
>=20
Well, I never understood the attraction of Eraserhead, but if you are=20
looking for similar films, try David Cronenberg's films and Lynch's=20
Blue Velvet. I loved Wild At Heart but that was more humorous.=20

thomas

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 to give birth to a dancing star"=20
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Subject: [MV] Film Threat Weekly : 8-31-98 : Slate II, Take 36
Date: 30 Aug 1998 20:24:21 EDT

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CAST YOUR VOTE FOR AMERICAN PSYCHO
Ready for the latest weird twist to the ôAmerican Psychoö saga?  On Monday,
Lions Gate announced that they couldn't get DiCaprio to commit to the project,
so they returned the project to the original writer/director, Mary Harron.
However, Harron has always wanted Christian Bale to be in the lead. Did
returning the project to Harron mean that Bale would get his starring role
back?
     Now Lions Gate is running an Internet casting call for ôAmerican Psycho.ö
A real public opinion poll or a publicity stunt?
http://www.lionsgatefilms.com/americanpsycho/

B-MOVIE HALL OF FAME SEEKS INDUCTEES
B-Movie Theater, the popular web site celebrating the art and industry of the
B-Movie genre, is inviting film buffs to submit nominations for the first
round of inductions in the new B-Movie Hall of Fame.  This cinema tribute will
be featured on the B-Movie Theater web site beginning Halloween week.
     Fans of B-Movies can nominate their favorite titles, performers and
filmmakers by filling out a nomination form; no more than 10 nominations per
person can be considered and the voting period will conclude on October 1.
     "B-Movies have had a tremendous influence on the movie industry," says
Ron Bonk, founder of B-Movie Theater.  "Because they are on the fringe, they
test the controversial limits Hollywood is afraid to explore.  And if they are
successful, then Hollywood takes notice.  They set many of the patterns and
have influenced many of the filmmaking trends we are seeing on the big screen
today."
     The B-Movie genre heavily influenced many of Hollywood's top filmmakers:
George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, Joe Dante, and John Landis all cited B-Movies
as the inspiration for their early careers.  Many A-list Hollywood legends
such as John Wayne, Roy Rogers, Ava Gardner, Jack Nicholson, Dennis Hopper and
Pam Grier, and filmmakers including Peter Bogdanovich, Francis Ford Coppola,
and the Oscar-winning director of "Titanic" James Cameron began their careers
in the B-Movies.
     "Yet when The American Film Institute and the British Film Institute
recently created lists of all-time great movies, the B-movie genre was largely
overlooked," says Ron Bonk. "Likewise, the Library of Congress' National Film
Registry has barely acknowledged B-Movies, and the Academy will rarely
consider them for an Oscar.  Well, our inductees will be included because of
the influence they have made on the fans and the films that followed--not
because of box-office receipts or what the critics had to say about them.  We
feel it was time to give them some much deserved respect."
http://www.b-movie.com

THEATRICAL DISTRIBUTION IS REINVENTED
This October, the makers of "The Last Broadcast," Stefan Avalos and Lance
Weiler, together with former FUEL TOUR event co-producer Esther Robinson will
bring theatrical distribution into the Digital Age. Utilizing satellite
technology and state of the art digital projection systems, these three will
bring "The Last Broadcast" to five cities across the country in the first ever
theatrical release of a digital feature film.
     "After breaking all the molds of feature filmmaking with, The Last
Broadcast, we realized the technology to break old paradigms exists not only
in production but ALSO in distribution," says Stefan Avalos.
     "Stefan, Esther and I then committed ourselves to finding a way to reach
an audience in a dramatic and effective manner. It was an exciting moment when
we realized by utilizing satellite technology we will be demonstrating not
only the possibilities of the future but the realities of our digital
PRESENT," Says Lance Weiler.
http://www.tebweb.com/lastbroadcast

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BOXOFFICE CHART   "Hollywood's Horse Race... and they're off!"
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Weekend of August 28-30, Source: Exhibitor Relations Co.

1/    1 BLADE $11.1/$34.9
2/    3 THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT MARY $8.8/$116.7
3/    2 SAVING PRIVATE RYAN $8.3/$155.5
4/New 54 $6.6
5/New WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE? $4.2
6/    7 EVER AFTER $4.0/$48.8
7/    5 SNAKE EYES $3.7/$46.2
8/    4 HOW STELLA GOT HER GROOVE BACK $3.6/$27.9
9/    7 DANCE WITH ME $3.0/$9.4
10/  6 DEAD MAN ON CAMPUS $2.9/$9.7
10/  9 THE PARENT TRAP $2.9/$56.2


PICKS OF THE WEEK   "Stuff we wanna plug."
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INDIE FILM FESTIVAL:
The legendary independent filmmaking duo of Joe and Ethan Coen will take part
in the 5th annual Austin Film Festival, to be held Oct. 1-8. The Coen Brothers
return to Austin for the world premiere, during the eight-day Festival, of the
re-edited, remastered version of their debut feature film, "Blood Simple,"
which was filmed in and around the Capitol City. The new version, entitled
"Blood Simple-Forever Young," will be released by October Films.
     The Austin Film Festival is the first film festival dedicated to
recognizing the screenwriter's contribution to the industry. The Festival's
four-day Heart of Film Screenwriters Conference is attended by contemporary
and legendary writers who will share their experience with upwards of 1,500
aspiring writers and filmmakers Oct. 1-4.
     Advance registration continues through Sept. 21.  For info, call
800-310-FEST.
http://www.austinfilmfestival.org

INDIE WEB SITE:
"Ready, Willing and Able" is an indie action film in which the female lead
spends the entire film in a wheelchair.  This unique approach should lend some
much needed life to the action film genre.  Roll 'em!
http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/1108

FUNNY WEB SITE:
Luke, pull my finger!  While "Return of the Jedi" is the only Star Wars film
to contain toilet humor (it has two burp jokes), this site is devoted to daily
fart jokes in the trilogy.  Brrrrap!  R-2?!
http://www.starwarsfarts.com/

BOOK:
Looking for some great movie ideas?  "Death in Paradise: An Illustrated
History of the Los Angeles County Department of Coroner" by Tony Blanche and
Brad Schreiber investigates the dark side of LA through the coroner's office.
Illustrated with photos guaranteed to make you turn away.  The book contains
never published photos and details from the deaths of Robert Kennedy, Marilyn
Monroe, Karen Carpenter, Nicole Brown Simpson and other glamorous celebs.
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MOVIE SOUNDTRACK:
The best indie film of 1998 "Six String Samurai" also has the greatest
soundtrack of the year by surf band the Red Elvises with additional material
by Brian Tyler.  The CD just hit stores this week and you'd be an idiot if you
didn't run out right now and buy it!
http://www.redelvises.com
http://www.sixstringsamurai.com


BIG SCREEN   "Coming Soon to a Theater Near You"
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From five stars "Perfect! * * * * *" to one star "Crap! *" here's the lowdown.

54 (R)
* 1/2
(http://www.miramax.com)
Director Mark ChristopherÆs "54" tells a shining part-fact/part-fiction tale
of life in the world's most star-studded club of the 1970's.  From the closing
credits, the audience gets a still life view of what the real Studio 54 looked
like in a series of black-and-white photos featuring the likes of Sylvester
Stalone, Farah Fawcett and Gilda Radner.  These pictures give a fun, nostalgic
closure to the film which portrays some grave, but mostly fun-loving images of
its own.
     "54" tells the story of neophyte Shane (Ryan Phillippe) who yearns for
more than the same old girls in the same old clubs in New Jersey.  He ventures
into nearby New York city for a taste of the big time and he's given cherished
admittance into Studio 54 by legendary club manager Steve Rubell (Mike Meyer)
who works the door each night letting in only the noted and beautiful.
     Shane meets up with Anita (Salma Hayek), the coat check girl trying to be
a star, and eventually, with his original reason for going to the club,
starlet Julie Black (Neve Campbell) a Jersey girl herself who has made the big
time.  The story details just what each clubber will do to get ahead and how
Studio 54 becomes a big part of that life each is seeking.
     Relative Newcomer Phillippe (I Know What You Did Last Summer) brings an
innocence to his role that allows the audience to always look at the goings-on
through his eyes.  A surprisingly richer performance than expected from a
neophyte in his own right, fresh off the set of the latest "Scream" copy.  But
at times, his character is allowed to become part of the party at Studio 54
and his golden, Blue Lagoon-inspired curls connoted images best fitting a
Greek orgy.  And in fact, this was the mood manager Steve Rubell (Meyer) was
trying to create in the club, one that holds the freedom of sex without
consequence and brings back the days of the carefree Roman emperors.  Played
expertly by Meyer with excruciating realism but still the timing of a comic
genius, the audience experiences both the downward-spiraling but always
exciting life of those who hold the power.  In the end, weÆre given only a
small hit of what real concerns lie behind that usually carefree facade
(sporting a latex nose to recreate his biographical character).  Even when
barfing, he doesnÆt seem to be having a terribly bad time.
     Although the background of the club and seeing how it worked from front
door to basement is a fascinating story expertly directed by Christopher, the
sub-plot involving soap opera glamour girl brings little interest.  Campbell
has to pull off both glamour queen and then girl next door and falls short.
Maybe its the freckles, but I always felt myself wondering through either the
cigarette smoke or the fake Jersey accent what her pals were up to on Party of
Five.
     The writer seems helpless in finding a way to wrap up the story beyond
the arrest of Rubell.  Despite this event and the subsequent ærestructuringÆ
of the club, very few negatives are uncovered in a life spent hustling and
seeking excess.  Beyond one ominous death scene and only one reference to the
undoubtedly rampant venereal diseases ("It feels like IÆm peeing razor
blades"), thereÆs little to show what must have resulted in messed up lives
right and left.  The movie does a great job of capturing the excessive
behavior and the fun that was had but it falls short in delivering a realistic
picture of lives after the party ends.  Christopher, like Rubell, is into
giving his audience escape, not reality.  - R. Tennyson.

A MERRY WAR  (R)
* * * 1/2
(http://www.flp.com/films/a_merry_war/index.html)
I took my girlfriend to see this film based on George Orwell's 1936 novel,
"Keep the Aspidistra Flying".  She thought she was watching a depression era
English romance starring Richard E. Grant ("Withnail and I") and Helena Bonham
Carter ("Wings of the Dove").  I thought I was watching a condemnation of
class pretension and artistic hubris.  We were both right.
   Gordon Comstock (Grant) is the star copywriter for the New Albion
advertising agency.  After his first book of poetry is well-reviewed, he quits
his job to become a full-time poet and "free man", much to the dismay of his
graphic artist girlfrield, Rosemary (Carter).  All she wants is to settle into
a mundane middle-class life.  Gordon must first learn how much use the middle
class and the rest of society really has for poets.
   As most of the world has little idea what an Aspidistra is (house plant),
the new, less esoteric title refers to Orwell's description of the war of the
sexes.  The primary battle revolves around Rosemary's attempts to reality
check Gordon.  Generally, reality does that for her.  Gordo works his way to
the bottom of a society based upon arbitrary claims of superiority before he
gains some clairity and takes some responsibility for himself.
   Is it any good?  It's a decent high-brow/middle-brow date film, far less
annoying than a typical Merchant-Ivory opus.  Twitchmeister Grant (the British
Nic Cage) could make anything watchable and Bonham Carter is serviceable in a
role where she only needs to look exasperated. The second best reason to go is
to straighten out any pretentious friends who find "work" beneath them. The
best reason is that the other screenings this week were "Why Do Fools Fall in
Love", "54" and (shudder) "A Night at the Roxbury". - Ron Wells

WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE? (R)
No Stars, zip, nil, nada
(http://www.foolsinlove.com)
All bad movies of 1998 step aside, we have the worst film of the year: "Why Do
Fools Fall in Love"! In his follow-up to "Selena," Gregory Nava takes African-
American cinema to a new low.
     This is the story of Frankie Lymon (Larenz Tate) who, with the Teenagers,
scored his first major musical hit with the title song.  Frankie, unlucky at
many things, died of a drug overdose at 26, leaving 3 wives (Halle Berry, Lela
Rochon, Vivica A. Fox) who were not nearly as shocked by his death as they
were at discovering each other.  Hilarity doesn't really ensue.
     This bio-pic is soulless, underwritten, over-acted and, worse, just plain
dull. It's a TV drug addict movie-of-the-week crossed with the Jeffersons.
Not even Little Richard playing himself can save this one... in fact, that's
even painful to watch at this point. If I wasn't on a date, I would have
walked out. Ugh. Where are the Hughes, the Hudlins or Carl Franklin (ok, wait,
he's releasing the mother-daughter melodrama, "One True Thing," next month)?
Can Don Cheadle direct? Someone help.  - Dave McCoy


AN INDIE PRODUCTION DIARY (OR WHAT WE DID ON OUR SUMMER VACATION)
===========================================
by Merle Bertrand

Thursday August 13, 1998
In case you haven't been glued to the Weather Channel these last two months,
the entire state of Texas has been declared a National Disaster Area.  A
severe drought combined with a killer heat wave has been making life miserable
here for weeks.  All of which makes the fact that we spent most of the first
week dodging raindrops cruelly ironic.  At least the scene with the cloudy
gray skies was supposed to be a Victorian England dream sequence...
     So, if anyone's ever been curious, yes, Day One is BY FAR the single most
difficult day to get through in a production.  We started off "Adam and Ollie"
with a 45 minute camera delay... which gave us plenty of time to sort out the
mysterious electrical problem that completely knocked out our lights, a
persistently intermittent buzz in one of our lavaliere mics, and the two
bubbas who showed up to dig a new sewer line right in the middle of our
location.  (That was an amusing conversation:  TONY:  Does your equipment make
noise?  BUBBA #1:  Yep.  BUBBA #2:  And it'll most likely spray, too.")
     But we regrouped from our sluggish start to survive one of the most
grueling production weeks I've ever experienced.  When the rains finally
cleared, the Sun returned with a vengeance and we blistered under the solar
microwave with a couple of hundred extras during our climactic rally scene.
      The main thing is, after a hellacious first week of flying pudding,
bodies hurled into trash heaps, and croquet balls ricocheting into foreheads,
(it's a romantic comedy, I swear!), we're still standing and all the dailies
look excellent.  Six days down and twelve to go.

Thursday August 20, 1998
We were all toasted after that exhausting first week in the blazing sun and it
showed.  An easy Day 6 at our INT:  BOOKSTORE location turned into a tortuous,
slow-motion slog as everyone tried vainly to get back up to speed.  It was a
great looking place, but not very film-friendly.  The main problem was that
there was very little room to get any work done.  Plunk down a camera, a
handful of lights, and a movie crew and there was almost no room for the
actors.  Fortunately, we had three days there to get all we needed, and we
used 'em all.
     After three days of tripping over each other in those cramped quarters,
we escaped... only to move into a dingy bar called, appropriately enough, The
Hole In The Wall.  It was.  Not only that, but they decided to stay open while
we were shooting, which made rolling sound a real picnic.  When they got antsy
about how long we were going to be there, we threw in the towel.  We got what
we had to get and got the hell outta there as fast as we could, grimy, pissed,
and reeking of smoke and worse.
     The short day paid off with a rested crew and two luxurious days of
shooting in a recording studio we'd dressed to simulate a radio station.  We
had a ton of stuff to do there, including the big radio monologues that the
Adam character does to incite the rally we shot last week.  It was an intense
couple of days, but since we were shooting on a virtual sound stage, they were
the smoothest yet.
     So it's on to week three.  The homestretch.  We're getting tired and
cranky and hurting for film stock, but otherwise hanging in there.  Just one
more to go.

Next Week:  The Final Week


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IN-SPIDER-MAN-CENSED!
Okay who is it that has the audacity to ask for the gritty "realism" of
Spielberg's D-Day invasion in the next Spiderman movie.  What a load of crap.
You mentioned two films that are a part of what I consider a disturbing
phenomenon in Hollywood these days. The "It was so real. Just like I was
there." trend. Oh yeah you were there, except for the actual death and human
despair. Steven's D-day doesn't bother me because I think it was treated with
some respect but Titanic ? Please. If all of you assanines have to see a
billion dollar extravaganza to realize that war sucked and dying in the cold
ocean sucked then you need to do a little self exploration. Find out why you
are such an unfeeling jerk to begin with and fix it. Come on. Going down into
freezing waters. You didn't think that sucked. You didn't know there was a
class struggle back then. Crap watch a documentary for Christ sake. Oh but
where is the love story in a documentary.
     So now you want to take a story about a teenager who was bitten by a
radioactive spider and make it real. If I wanted reality I wouldn't go to a
movie. I would step outside.  Do me a favor and the next time you want to
compare a comic book to the spot where thousands of Americans died to keep are
country free, just don't. Oh yeah I am not a gun-toting conservative. Just
some things are sacred.
- Mark Moffitt
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I DEEPLY REGRET IT
From the law offices of Johnnie Cochran, here are the Top Ten proposed closing
arguments in the matter of United States VS. William J. Clinton:

10.  If the dress ain't a mess, he won't need to confess.
9.   The economy's great, let the White Boy skate.
8.   If the Bitch didn't spit, you must acquit.
7.   If she is not spread eagle, then it isn't illegal.
6.   Lewinsky's a whore, and Bill's better than Gore.
5.   So he lied to the masses, he was just saving some asses.
4.   He cheats on his wife, but its his personal life.
3.   Bill can't tell the truth till he sees Ken Starr's proof.
2.   Bill isn't sleazy, Lewinsky's just easy.

And the number one closing argument by Johnny Cochrane:

1.   If the sex is just oral, it's not really immoral!


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From: "Yusheng" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV]Jim Carrey and his 'LIAR LIAR'
Date: 31 Aug 1998 22:27:38 +0800

The movie 'liar' is so interesting that I laughed to tears+ACE-It's one of
the
best comic movie I have ever seen.Others include 'sisters'. could you tell
me any Jim Carrey's new movies? or some your favovite comic movie that
really funny?
Thank u in advance+ACE-



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From: "Dennis Lively" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV]Jim Carrey and his 'LIAR LIAR'
Date: 31 Aug 1998 10:13:37 PDT

Jim Carrey's latest movie was The Truman Show.  It wasn't as funny as
Liar, Liar or the Ace Ventura movies but it was still entertaining.  I
think he has a voice over part in the upcoming Simon Birch and is
currently working on Walter Mitty and The Incredible Mr. Limpett due out
next year.


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From: The Reporter <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Movie News - 08/31/98
Date: 31 Aug 1998 12:21:18 -0600 (MDT)

Leonardo DiCaprio has a month to rest (following his knee
surgery last week) before facing his fans. The New York Film
Festival kicks off Sept. 25 with Woody Allen's cynical take
on star-infatuation, "Celebrity," and Leo and another of the
movie's stars, Winona Ryder, will "definitely attend" the
premiere screening and party, a source close to the movie
tells The PEOPLE Daily. Asked what role DiCaprio plays, the
source demurred but did allow: "This will be the first time
you'll see Winona playing down and dirty -- and
contemporary. No more bonnets."

                        -=> * <=-

More than 500 of the world's rich and famous flew to Juneau,
Alaska, Friday for a "top secret" party thrown by Microsoft
co-founder Paul Allen for fellow billionaire Bill Gates. On
hand were Candice Bergen, James Cameron, Debbie Reynolds,
Dan Aykroyd and Jeff Goldblum, among others. Guests were
whisked by bus from their planes to the Crystal Harmony, a
960-passenger cruise ship rented for an undisclosed price to
cruise Glacier Bay and the Inside Passage. Before the
cruise, some guests went shopping. Carrie Fisher bought a
sweatshirt and a Russian lacquer box. Gates browsed but
didn't buy at the Alaska Fur Gallery, although, reports the
Associated Press, director Penny Marshall got so caught up
buying furs that she delayed the ship's departure.

                        -=> * <=-

The vampire movie "Blade," starring Wesley Snipes, earned
about $11.1 million last weekend, making it the No. 1 film
for two weeks' running, according to studio estimates. (The
flick's total to date: nearly $35 million.) Meanwhile, the
ever-popular "There's Something About Mary," with an
$8.8-million take this weekend, landed the No. 2 spot and
brought its total box office to $116.7 million. "Private
Ryan" came in at third with $8.3 million, while, in fourth
place (after putrid reviews), "54," a rehash of Studio 54
days, earned about $6.6 million. Newcomer "Why Do Fools Fall
in Love" made about $4.2 million.

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From: "Xcontrol Ltda." <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Aliens II vs III
Date: 31 Aug 1998 19:00:51 -0500

I agree with you...was terribly disappointing to see Riley fighting with
"Mother" and "Baby".  All the scary things we felt in Aliens were not
present in Alien3, neither in Alien2.

I hope Riley rest in peace on Earth where there is not a clone of Baby
Alien. (Alien4???).


David Diaz

Xcontrol Ltda.
Systems Integrators
Calle 74 #15-80 Int. 2 Of. 521
Santafe de Bogota
Colombia, S.A.

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> De: greuel <[e-mail]>
> A: [e-mail]
> Asunto: [MV] Aliens II vs III
> Fecha: Viernes 28 de Agosto de 1998 12:15 PM
>
>
>
> >  I agree with bruce...I mean,  guys, really, alien3 (alien resurrection
> > as well for that matter) really really stinked. Alien was pretty good
> > and I just loved Aliens...
>
> I'm surprised at all the raving about the 2nd Alien. I did not like it at

> all. The idea about the first one was that there is a creature of utter
> beauty. The beauty of perfection. The original alien is so highly
> developed that only Ripley's wit can overcome it. In the 2nd they are
> degraded to canon fodder. There are hundreds of aliens against about
> 20 marines - and the only reason why the aliens can get their foot in
> the door is because these marines are so dumb and stupid in their
> macho behaviour, that they are wasy meat. The acid blood and the
> intelligence of the Resurrection play no role whatsoever. And
> Cameron started that "Mother" thing. While the idea is quite good -
> mother alien vs. mother Ripley, he had to create a yet bigger alien.
> Simply because the originals were no threat anymore. There is no
> perfection in the 2nd alien. They can be killed by various means and
> from every distance. The ultimate stand off by the two mothers are
> ridiculous. Ripley with robot can beat mother alien? Doesn't really
> sound convincing.
>
> Plus, while Scott's Alien had stunning visuals and Fincher at least
> attempted them, I didn't find any of that in Cameron. Sure, he is great
> on FX, but working with the camera or lighting is not his speciality
> and that prevents him from making visually exciting films to a large
> degree. <-- Look! It's a period!
>
> thomas
>
>
>
> ---
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>  to give birth to a dancing star"
>               Friedrich Nietzsche
>
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From: Scott Renshaw <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] REVIEW: NEXT STOP WONDERLAND
Date: 31 Aug 1998 21:23:31 -0600 (MDT)

NEXT STOP WONDERLAND
(Miramax)
Starring:  Hope Davis, Alan Gelfant, Cara Buono, Jose Zuniga, Holland
Taylor.
Screenplay:  Brad Anderson and Lyn Vaus.
Producer:  Mitchell B. Robbins.
Director:  Brad Anderson.
MPAA Rating:  R (profanity, adult themes)
Running Time:  99 minutes.
Reviewed by Scott Renshaw.

    "I don't believe in fate," says Erin Castleton (Hope Davis), the
wistful heroine looking for love in NEXT STOP WONDERLAND, but _someone_
calling the shots on contemporary romantic comedy sure does.  SLEEPLESS IN
SEATTLE became a huge hit introducing two destined lovers who only meet in
the film's final scene; a few years later, 'TIL THERE WAS YOU also told a
tale of lovers-to-be leading parallel lives until the closing credits
start to roll.  Earlier this year, SLIDING DOORS offered yet another
speculative stab at how and why we meet our soulmates. Something in the
zeitgeist has film-makers falling over themselves to convince us that Mr.
or Ms. Right is out there, somewhere, just waiting for us to go to the
right party or step on the right elevator.

     NEXT STOP WONDERLAND falls into that category, but only in the most
nominal sense.  It does follow the never-quite-converging lives of two
discontented singles, these two in contemporary Boston.  Erin is a nurse
in the middle of the latest of a series of serial break-ups with her
activist boyfriend (Philip Seymour Hoffman); Alan Monteiro (Alan Gelfant)
is a 35-year-old former plumber trying to break with his working class
background and become a marine biologist.  The narrative follows each of
them on the trials and tribulations of their respective lives, Erin
dealing with responses to a personal ad placed for her by her mother
(Holland Taylor), Alan fending off the advances of a fellow student (Cara
Buono) while trying to avoid the wrath of his loan shark Frank (Victor
Argo).

     The reason NEXT STOP WONDERLAND never feels exactly like a fated
romance is that it feels so grounded in the simple reality of its
protagonist.  Hope Davis is an irresistable presence as Erin, a wannabe
cynic whose romanticism bursts through in her love of her late father's
poetry.  It's as complete a female characterization as we've seen this
year -- she's smart, clever, just vulnerable enough that you feel for her,
just tough enough that you trust her.  And it doesn't hurt that she
anchors the best set-up in the script by Brad Anderson and Lyn Vaus, with
a string of would-be suitors, each more unappealing than the last, leaving
hilarious messages on the personal ad's phone line.  Anderson directs
with a 1990s Woody Allen vibe, complete with jump edits and hand-held
camera work, yet the film never comes off as derivative of either the
Allen oeuvre or other SLEEPLESS-style comedies.  A character who grabs
your interest can do that for a story.

     NEXT STOP WONDERLAND is always Erin's story, which makes Alan's half
of the film a very long introduction to "the other guy."  Gelfant is
appealing in a low-key way, but he never gets the audience as emotionally
invested in Alan's hopes and dreams as Davis does in Erin's.  He also has
to contend with a silly sub-plot involving a shady real estate developer
(Robert Klein) with an axe to grind against the aquarium where Alan
volunteers.  The time wasted on Alan kidnapping a balloonfish and dealing
with the buffoonish Frank could have been used to develop a relationship
between Alan and his father, who casts a long shadow on Alan's
aspirations.  Everything involving Alan is secondary to everything
involving Erin.

     The odd fringe benefit of this imbalance is that it takes the focus
off the question that dogged other films employing this gimmick:  why
should we think these two people belong together?  Our concern rests
squarely with Erin; we want her to be happy, whether that's with Alan, the
Brazilian charmer (Jose Zuniga) who catches her fancy, or even alone.
The coda which has been added since the film screened at the Sundance Film
Festival makes that concern even more central.  The ending is no longer
happy just because these two people meet, but because it looks like they
could be happy together, and Davis's delightful performance invests us
in her happiness.  NEXT STOP WONDERLAND is a sweet and entertaining fairy
tale not just because she finds Prince Charming, but because the one fate
we care about -- Erin's fate -- is the only one the film is realy
concerned with.

     On the Renshaw scale of 0 to 10 small wonders:  7.

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