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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Re:Content, Quality and Hollywood (long)
Date: 01 Nov 2000 02:33:20 -0500

Just a couple of points:

At 09.39 PM 31/10/2000 -0800, Dexter Sy wrote:
>Where IÆm getting at here is that perhaps in a thousand years, the basic
themes
>of Hollywood films would be looked up with reverence.  Star Wars as
literature?
>Not unlikely.  Sure, some of you may make choking sounds now, but ask an
>Englishman in 16th century England whether MacBeth, Richard the III or Titus
>will be remembered in 400 years and he would probably look at you funny
and go
>on his business.

Star Wars is our literature.  This is why there is such a sub-culture
around it.  Will it survive in 400 years??  It might actually be too
popular for that, but I would still put my money on it.

As for Shakespeare, you have no idea how right you are.  The Bard was the
Arron Spelling of his day.   His plays were the soap operas of the 17th
Century.  They were not considered overly great, and pushed the same limits
that are being pushed against today.  (I am actually in the middle of a
discussion on a Rugby League board, of all things, about the decline of
culture).  Hell, even Citizen Kane and Casablanca (arguably two of the
greatest movies ever made) - even the Christmas classic It's A Wonderful
Life, for that matter - were NOT at all successful at the time.  They grew
into the roles they have today.

Therefore, I find criticisms of
>the dominance of American films utterly self-serving. If the French had
control,
>would they cede it to the Americans or the English? The Japanese? Or any
number
>of its critics? Not bloody likely.

The thing to consider is, if a "foreign" film makes it to these Fatal
Shores, it has gone thru a lot.  It is a given that a French or Italian or
even Chinese film that finds an audience here is the best of the bunch.  We
are seeing the American Beauties and Wonder Boys of the foreign cultures,
so they have an unfair advantage.  It's not like we get the French version
of Ernst Goes to School or (God forbit) Manos, Hands of Fate.  So, foreign
films have a rightful reason to feel superior to the general releases from
Hollywood.  However, this is apples and oranges.  A fair comparison would
be All About My Mother and Saving Private Ryan.  Not All About My Mother
and Blair Witch 2.

For someone like me to say that Hollywood has established a right to it's
reputation as King of the World, you know the arugment must be strong:-)

Regards,

--Mel


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] book vs. movie
Date: 01 Nov 2000 09:11:56 -0600

With the fall season in full force here in the Midwest I'm spending more
time at the library. I've put a hold on High Fidelity and I'm anxious to
read it. The movie was  pretty good but I've heard better things about the
book. I won't usually buy a book that was adapted into a movie if the front
cover looks like a movie poster, something about that turns me off.
Other books that made good movies.
Grapes of Wrath..(something left off the ending)
Sophie's Choice.
Anyone else recommend any?
Has anyone read Requiem for a Dream?
Julie



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From: Diane Christy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] book vs. movie
Date: 01 Nov 2000 09:37:58 -0500

At 9:11 AM -0600 11/1/00, [e-mail] wrote:
>Grapes of Wrath..(something left off the ending)

I read this too.  The ending was the most amazing ending I've ever
read and really captured the state that these people were in.  It's a
shame that it was left out of the movie, although looking at when the
movie was made I don't see how they could have included it.
--
~~~~~
Diane Christy (Samantha and Joshua's Mom)
Jefferson, LA
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~~~~~

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From: "Martin, Jacqueline A" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] book vs. movie
Date: 01 Nov 2000 08:07:41 -0800

LA Confidential, which, had it been adapted verbatim from the book, would
have been a 10 hour  movie. All the good plots were kept, and the ones that
seemed to go off on some tangent (Exley's father and brother plot, or Jack
Vincennes marriage), were excised and the film is much tighter and fun.

Jackie

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With the fall season in full force here in the Midwest I'm spending more
time at the library. I've put a hold on High Fidelity and I'm anxious to
read it. The movie was  pretty good but I've heard better things about the
book. I won't usually buy a book that was adapted into a movie if the front
cover looks like a movie poster, something about that turns me off.
Other books that made good movies.
Grapes of Wrath..(something left off the ending)
Sophie's Choice.
Anyone else recommend any?
Has anyone read Requiem for a Dream?
Julie



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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?El=EDn=20Kristbj=F6rg=20Gu=F0brandsd=F3ttir?=
Subject: [MV] Western films
Date: 01 Nov 2000 17:19:06 +0000

Hi everybody.

I=B4m looking for information about if  John Wayne and John Ford ever
acted together in the same Western film. I=B4m a great fan of Westerns.

With best regards from Iceland
El=EDn Kristbj=F6rg Gu=F0brandsd=F3ttir


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From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: Western films
Date: 01 Nov 2000 10:31:00 -0700

> I=B4m looking for information about if  John Wayne and John Ford ever
> acted together in the same Western film. I=B4m a great fan of Westerns.

As far as I know, John Ford only worked as a director.  He did direct Joh=
n
Wayne in countless westerns, however.  My personal favorites are THE SEAR=
CHERS
and THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE.

For more information, check the Internet Movie Database at
http://www.imdb.com.  It will allow you to do a search using both John Fo=
rd
and John Wayne for a complete list of all films they did together, as wel=
l as
complete filmographies of both men.

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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Re:Content, Quality and Hollywood (long)
Date: 01 Nov 2000 14:48:12 -0500

At 02.33 AM 01/11/2000 -0500, I mistakenly wrote:
>Just a couple of points:
>
>At 09.39 PM 31/10/2000 -0800, Dexter Sy wrote:
>>Where IÆm getting at here is that perhaps in a thousand years, the basic
>themes
>>of Hollywood films would be looked up with reverence.  Star Wars as
>literature?
<SNIP>
>Star Wars is our literature.  This is why there is such a sub-culture
>around it.  Will it survive in 400 years??  It might actually be too
>popular for that, but I would still put my money on it.

Actually, what I meant to say is Star Wars is out mythology.  I think that
argument is much stronger.

Sorry for any confusion.  That's what I get for posting so late at night.

Regards,

--Mel


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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] 2001 : A space odyssey - 1968 - 3.5/5
Date: 01 Nov 2000 17:05:22 EST


Ok, I was in the mood to watch this classic Stanley Kubrick film again ...

I had seen it only once like 8-9 years ago probably and at that time I
wasn't too impressed thinking it was slow and the ending too perplexing, but
this is the kind of film that you appreciate more as you get "older" perhaps
(not necessarely WISER though ... hehe !)

I still think it is a bit slow and perplexing today but now I can see what a
huge film this must have been in 1968 when it was released, certainly ground
breaking material right there ... impressive visuals, music, acting, sets,
special effects ... On a movie theater's big screen it must have been
something else ! (Although I read that when it was released in 1968 quite a
few people were walking out saying they didn't understand it ... frustrated
!!)

This is a movie that makes you think a lot afterwards which is great of
course !  Certainly well made and a lot of attention in the tiny details
along the way (Something I really appreciated this time around !)  I even
liked the last part with the "Star child" and the fancy and colorful
graphics as well something that had irritated me the first time around if I
recall ...  ;o)

I also was more impressed with the beginning of the film in prehistoric
times as well as when the astronauts are dealing with that supercomputer
that wants to run the show, the numerous special effects shots are really
great considering when they were made especially.

I still think it is over rated as a lot of people are saying it is one of
the best films of all times, etc.  but I had a very good time watching it
just now.  I was especially pleased because I didn't expect it to be that
good considering I was remembering it as being an average film from the last
time I saw it ...

The film simply feels too long for its own good ... I am not asking for an
action packed space adventure like Star Wars or Star Trek 2 (WRATH OF KHAN,
of course !) but I felt it was dragging a bit here and there often (even if
it looked REALLY nice !), still very good overall and maybe when I watch it
again in 10 years I'll go as high as 4/5.

3.5/5 for now.

Marc     ;o)

" Yes - officer - thank God. My name is Paul Hackett -
I'm in Soho - I don't know the exact location - I'm
being persecuted by a vigilante mob - I'm sure you
are aware of their actions - My life is in serious,
serious danger right now ..."

Griffin Dunne as "Paul Hackett"
"After hours" - 1985










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From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Re:Content, Quality and Hollywood (long)
Date: 01 Nov 2000 18:52:25 -0800

> Actually, what I meant to say is Star Wars is out mythology.  I think that
> argument is much stronger.
>
> Sorry for any confusion.  That's what I get for posting so late at night.

Hehe, No problem Mel.

With hindsight, it's probably a little too early to put a tag on Star Wars. I
personaly think literature is more fitting, but I know Mythology is often
attached to the films (have you seen Bill Moyer's special on PBS titled The
Mythology of Star Wars?)  but in the future, I'm pretty sure academics will
look at Star Wars not only as a peice of American cinema, but the window into
Pax Americana itself.
 The themes in Star Wars has so engrained itself in American political thought
that Star Wars already carries the double meaning of the missile defense
program and the movie itself.  The Evil Empire, popularized by Raegan's
referring to the Soviet Union, has been used by various causes as a stamp for
their opponents.  The leftist band, Rage Against the Machine, for example, had
a CD out called the " The Evil Empire" referring to the greed of corporate
America.

On another level, you could sort of read it as a window into the minds of the
citizens. The United States stands as the greatest Rupublic in history, and if
you look at Star Wars, you see a story pre-occupied with the re-enactment of
its birth.  Much like the Roman legend surrounding Romulus' murdering his
brother Remus and the founding of Rome. Evil Empire, as the British Empire?
The ragtag rebels as the American revolutionaries?  Lucas may not have intended
it that way but no one can claim that reading is a false one.

Many of its characters have also become metaphoric.  Various heads of state
have been cast in the role of  Darth Vader, which has become a metaphor for
Evil.  In fact, during the NATO bombings on Yugoslavia, state television
portrayed NATO as the Evil Empire  in their broadcasts, complete with Vader's
Imperial March as the soundtrack.    I think what makes Star Wars so versatile
and so easy to assimilate into the American Psyche is because it's themes has a
synergy that simply binded itself into the culture.  The film's black and white
reading of good and evil, long criticized as the core weakness of the film is
actually a representation of American politicial and social thought.  America
and its citizens, because its democracy is rooted very deeply in competition
between opposing factions, has always seen the world in largely those terms and
this transcends politicians into its citizens.  Civial rights groups villianize
the conservatives, gun owners spew hatred at the American government,
Environmentalists hate just about everybody.  Star Wars merely borrowed
American though for a galaxy far far away.





>
>
> Regards,
>
> --Mel

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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] book vs. movie
Date: 01 Nov 2000 19:38:29 -0500

At 09.11 AM 01/11/2000 -0600, [e-mail] wrote:
>I won't usually buy a book that was adapted into a movie if the front
>cover looks like a movie poster, something about that turns me off.

I know what you mean.  I actually looked far and wide to find a first
edition of the book listed below, simply so that I would not have the
actors that played the characters staring at me.

>Anyone else recommend any?

The Wonder Boys by Michael Chabon.  And the movie is supposed to be really
good, too.  Talking Oscar nominations here, and everything.  Also, it was
filmed right in this area.

Regards,

--Mel


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: [MV] Movies I've seen lately/short reviews/random thoughts
Date: 02 Nov 2000 13:12:10 -0600

WARNING/ I'm not a professional movie critic!

Snow Falling on Cedars-
A love story set in Washington state during the Japanese concentration camp
situation in the 40's. A  murder trial is in progress but the movie also
flashes back to a first-love relationship between a Japanese girl and a
Caucasian boy..Ethan Hawke. Fantastic scenery and the music is great but
twice in this movie irritating narration dialogue like a record
skipping...annoying. Good solid story and not a predictable happy ending.
B-

Amadeus-
What can I say! A wonderful experience. I had seen this movie many years
before but had forgotten how fantastic it is. It isn't a true story but
based on some parts of Mozart's life. I'm at loss for words here, so moving!
A

The Game-
I wanted to like this movie and I can't say I didn't, but like Marc ..eyes
were rolling back in many scenes. Michael Douglas and Sean Penn, would have
liked to see more Sean! The story is solid at first, a gift for a man who
has everything, a life game tailored for his personality. As you can expect
from the start things will go terribly wrong for this man. I thought halfway
through that I might have to ditch this one but I gave it a chance and the
ending was worth the agony I felt during some of it. C

The Tango-
Filmed in Argentina and in Spanish with subtitles. The story is a bit hard
to understand but if you love to watch the tango then it's worth a look.  B+




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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] The 4th Floor - 1998
Date: 02 Nov 2000 23:27:56 EST


****** Adding comments to yours, Sara.  .. with stars in front as usual.
Marc    ;o)

Has anyone seen The Fourth Floor (AKA, the 4th floor), with Juliette Lewis?

***** Yes, I have seen it, good film !  3/5 ... I was thinking 3.5/5 in part
but I don't like the last third so much so I have to penalize the film a
little ...

I thought it was pretty decent.

***** It was better than I expected actually, considering it was a low
budget thriller I had never heard of before ... direct-to-video film ...
etc.  It reminded me of "Pacific Heights" sometimes, the movie with Melanie
Griffith and Michael Keaton as the bad guy !

It's about a young woman who doesn't want
to move into her much older boyfriend's house with him, so she decides to
move into her deceased aunt's old apartment, because the aunt left it to her
dirt cheap.

So, against her boyfriend's wishes she moves in, and gets to meet a few of
her very strange neighbors, and after a while very strange things begin to
happen to her.  The neighbor below her, the only one she didn't get to meet,
a liitle old lady supposedly, starts to leave her very strange notes warning
her to keep quiet, but she doesn't and very bad things begin to happen to
her, and the apartment.  Infestations, slippery stairs, banging late at
night, and so on.

***** Yes, I loved it how the lil' ol' lady was banging on the ceiling so
hard when Juliette was just making a lil' bit of noise ... Incredible
behavior ! It was wild and scary ... too bad the last part of the film is
not as good and scary though ...

Not an Academy Award winner, but entertaining.  I found myself waiting to
see what this weird neighbor was going to do to the girl next.  Sara

***** I recommend it too especially if you like Juliette Lewis !   Marc
;o)

" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
"Halloween" - 1978











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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Barton Fink - Review
Date: 04 Nov 2000 01:42:59 EST


***** Excellent review, Xingix (Iceman) !  I added comments below with stars
in front ... ******* Marc   ;o)

Barton Fink, starring John Turturro and John Goodman was on cable
last weekend as I was channel surfing with utter boredom. I decided
what the hey since Steve Buscemi plays a small cameo role as the
hotel's bellboy.

***** Yes, I have seen this film on numerous occasions as well, in fact I
own it !  Buscemi's role is really a memorable one, just love him in this
film !  That "CHET !"

Turturro plays a playwrite from New York who gets a
job in Los Angeles as a writer for the pictures.

***** You forgot the best part : He is a serious playwriter and now they
want him to write a silly "wrestling picture" ... hehe !  ;o)

Set in 1941, Barton
Fink moves a little slow at times, often with the viewer questionning
his/her real motive for sitting through the entire flick.

***** I didn't think that at all myself, I was entertained throughout !
Lots of interesting visuals in this film, amusing details like the wallpaper
in Turturro hotel room that doesn't seem to stick properly to the wall !
Plus John Goodman is hilarious as the bizarre neighbour!

Well, the
real excitement starts about three quarters through and from then on
you wonder how Turturro is going to get out of his pickle.

***** Yes, I do agree Turturro is in quite a mess and he slowly but surely
is getting deeper and deeper into trouble.  You feel for the guy who wants
to do his best but is having such a hard time !

Directed
by Ethon & Joel Coen of Fargo and Big Lebowski fame, Fink has a lot
going for it.

***** I like this film a lot but a few of the other Coen brothers films are
even better in my opinion .. I mainly have issues with the ending of Barton
Fink, when it goes into a completely wild mode near the end !  Fargo 5/5,
Raising Arizona : 4/5 ... The big Lebowski : 3.5/5 ("You want me to get you
a toe, man ??") etc.

Each actor has incredible character development,
especially Turturro, who appears to be neurotic and paranoid but
actually a sensitive and all around good guy just trying to make
an 'honest' living. Go out and rent this movie, worthwhile script 'n'
all. Barton Fink deserves my 10 because there is nothing wrong with
the script in my opinion and the story is completely original. Don't
forget, Steve Buscemi is in it!
Rating: 10/10  <--- very rare for my taste! Iceman

****** Yes, This film is worth seeing ... I passed on it for a few years but
when I finally saw it I was pleasantly surprised ... certainly worth seeing
... my rating is not as high as yours though ... 3.5/5  (7/10) ... still is
a very good film of course !

Marc     ;o)

" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

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"Halloween" - 1978











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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Emotional movies ...
Date: 04 Nov 2000 18:29:16 EST


Ok, I'd like to know what movies touch you in a very special way ... maybe
even to the point of crying when you watch them ... I'll list my selections
below ...

I just watched Titanic (1997) again and I have to say this is my #1 choice
... I am close to crying 4 or 5 times during that movie (don't laugh !) ...
it just gets to me, especially near the end of course when they are all
dying in the icy water, but also the very last shot of the movie when we see
everyone on the boat and they are applauding ... oh man ... I was almost a
"snivelling" mess ... (Not a pretty sight !)   I didn't cry but I was
surprised how hard this film hits me, even if it was the third time I've
seen it ... I guess this is the sign of a powerful film.

My list, random order except for Titanic that is my #1 as I said ...

- Titanic  (1997)

- Leaving Las Vegas - 1995
- Schindler's list - 1993
- Dead man walking - 1995
- One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1975
- The celebration - 1998

- Apollo 13 - 1995
- Rosetta - 1999
- Braveheart - 1995
- Breaking the waves - 1996
- Boys don't cry - 1999

- The sweet hereafter - 1997
- This boy's life - 1993
- Scent of a woman - 1992
- The last detail - 1973
- Angela's ashes - 1999

- Midnight express - 1978
- Awakenings - 1990
- The bridges of Madison county - 1995
- Alive - 1993
- In the name of the father - 1993

- Sophie's choice - 1982
- Forrest gump - 1994
- The war zone - 1999

snif !   :o*(

Have a fine day !

Marc   ;o)
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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Titanic : Emotional movies ...
Date: 05 Nov 2000 03:13:56 EST


***** Yes, this movie is special ... I was having troubles watching
it in
the last 80-90 minutes ... It was a bit overwhelming in part, especially
knowing this happened for real ... Titanic going down and 1400-1500 people
dying ...

The one scene that I would like to add is the one where Rose and Jack
are on the bow of the titanic in the sunset. That scene was very powerful.
I have to admit that scene got to me ... even the
dialogues that may make some people cringe in that scene ... Jack saying to
Rose "You trust me ?" very softly ... and he holds her by the waist as she
has her hands to her side ... Wow ... this was unbelievable ... and looked
REALLY good on screen ... magnificent camera work right **there** ...

It was
incredibly romantic and touching (in my opinion, I know a lot of people are
probably rolling their eyes back **right about now** !!!)  Plus Kate Winslet
is such a "doll", soft, sweet ... she's perfect in every way in that film,
no
wonder Jack falls for her !  She's too lovely, damn it !  ;o)

I also agree that scene where the mother talks to her 2 lil' kids in bed
while the ship is going down is something else ... as is the one where we
see an aging  couple on a bed too ... when Kate and Leo say goodbye as he
sacrifices his life for her, holding on to that board, he knows he can't get
on it ... geeesh ... you can see it in his face when he makes up his mind
that the most crucial thing is that she lives, it's in his eyes, the precise
moment he realizes it ... great acting by Leo there ! ... and the end when
Gloria Stewart tosses the diamond in the ocean ... oh man ... the whole film
is incredible as I can single out dozens of powerful moments like that ...

Marc    ;o)



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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Locking horns over "Titanic" ...
Date: 06 Nov 2000 01:52:38 EST


***** Ok, I just locked HORNS with a friend of mine who is always trashing
Titanic ... the discussion is below ...

***** Adding comments ... inside your message, Daniel .. with stars in front
... Marc  ********   ;o)


Daniel's comments have no stars in front ...

 >I didn't hate it as it was entertaining but I certainly didn't like it
 >much--2.5/5.
 >Most people are stupid (not saying you are for liking this film) so if a
 >film grosses heaps of money or becomes the most succesful film of all time
it
 >doesn't really mean a lot to me,it just perptuates my theory that most
 >people are stupid!


***** Yes, I agree that a lot of films making big money are awful, but some
are mighty good as well .. example : American beauty ... I wouldn't say
people in general who like "American beauty" are stupid (We both give 5/5 to
that one, right ??)

***** I think you are being very harsh on this film considering how
impressive it is ... ok you may not like the storyline and you always
complain about "LEO" but look at all the other aspects of the films that are
magnificent ... special effects, sound, music, stunts, sets, attention to a
thousand and one details ...

****** I think you had your mind set from the get go when you saw this film
... like you already hated it for your own personal reasons and nothing
could have made you change your mind about it ...


 >This is the kind of film I'd expect you to dislike as well.Although it's
fun
 >I thought you'd see through it's predictable and formulaic romance,


***** Well, it was predictable, we've seen hundreds of people falling in
love on screen, what ?? Is everyone suppose to hate each other in every
movie out there ?? ...  but it was well made too ... I liked how they met,
how they slowly but surely fell in love .. how they respected each other, I
enjoyed it a great deal ... and that aspect of the film is not everything
anyway ... the last 80-90 minutes or so involve the ship hitting the iceberg
and sinking slowly but surely ... now that was expected of course, but how
the movie depicts those last hours of Titanic's history is really handled in
an impressive way, it looks REAL, man ... you're telling me that entire last
hour is not 5/5 material ??  When the back of that ship lifts into the air
... man ... it's eye-popping stuff !! ... The film is managing to tell a
story-within-a-story like that ... mixing the two together, both the romance
and the sinking of the ship ... it's not easy to do yet they pulled it off !


it's
 >incredibly simplistic views on class structure--everyone rich is an
 >asshole,everyone poor is nice.


***** Not true ... you are generalizing again ... There were rich people on
that ship that were very nice, Kathy Bates, The architect who built the
ship, Mr. Guggenheim, some of the other passengers come to mind ... I just
saw it again and they were not ALL evil ... same as all the poor people were
not angels either ...


The old storyline of rich girl falls for poor
 >boy who dies--give me a break,this story-line is old as the hills not to
 >mention corny.It's a maniuplative film that slams it's messages,romance
etc
 >down your throat and it sure isn't orginial or an intelligent piece of
 >cinema.


****** Sure it is a brilliant film, and many respected critics agree as
well, Ebert : 4/4,  Berardinelli : 4/4 ... you just had the wrong mindset
when you started watching it ... same as me perhaps when I watch an oldie
film ... you were complaining the other day I was close-minded sometimes
watching an oldie and not being forgiving for a car chase that looks
phony-as-hell if
I recall ... what happens in this film looks more realistic than any of
those old car chases with images projected on a screen behind the actors for
sure ...


I mean christ any film with Celine Dion providing the soundtrack too
 >hasn't got much going for it in terms of artistic integrity.


**** I'm sorry but that song "My heart will go on" is "ace" ... Oscar
winning song and it is perfect for this film as well .. Cameron didn't even
intend on using any title song but when he heard this one he had to put it
in ... again, your bad impression of Celine Dion is tainting your opinion of
this song and the movie as well ... I am not even a Celine Dion fan in
general, I have no Cd's of her but I saw her live once (tickets given to me
for free !) and she gave a really entertaining show ... you would be
surprised ... The music in this film is amazing anyway, mostly instrumental
so your "Celine argument" is taking water in rapidly .. no pun intended !


I don't want you
 >to agree with me nessecarily but just see where I'm coming from.


**** Yes, I know ... Seems we will NEVER agree on certain titles ... but I
think you were being unfair on this one ...


I hate
 >eveything these kind of films stand for too,these big budget films made my
 >directors who are more businessmen than artists.


****** I mostly like small budget films too as you know ... in my top 10 for
1999 probably 6 or 7 could be considered small budget films ... but a big
budget film is not necessarely bad ... again ... you seem to be thinking
because  a film has a big budget it must be bad ... if the money is spent
wisely as it was the case in this one, you can have 100 M$ and make an awful
film like "Waterworld", "Wild wild west" and other "Cuthroat island" and you
can have 1M$ and make a masterpiece ...

***** I mean building a huge Titanic set, great special effects, a thousand
and one extras, costumes, shooting footage of the real titanic, ... etc.
This costs a lot of money ... and It can produce something really incredible
as is the case here in my opinion ...

******* Your comments about Cameron are not appropriate since he has made
heaps of great films before this one ... Terminator 2, The abyss, True lies,
Terminator, Aliens ... etc. etc.  Ok, they are not "arsty" films ... but
they are well made big budget action films ...


I don't want to see films
 >made by someone whose just trying to win oscars


****** Cameron must not be looking for Oscars since it probably was his
first time getting one for Titanic ... I should check but he is not the
"Oscar" type, right ??  How can you "try" to win an Oscar anyway ... you try
to make a good film, I'm sure he was thinking .. "where am I going to put my
Oscar for best director ??" when he was on the set knee deep in cold water !
  If he wants to have an Oscar he can buy one for 1000$ probably ... ;o)


and make a shitload of money
 >by figuring out the best "formulaic" storyline will do the business.A
 >tragedy,romance,a pair of good looking leads--pure an utter commercialism.


***** He believed in the project, accepting to work for FREE when the budget
was out of control, so he's not only thinking of his wallet and making
commercial films ... Despite what you say Leonardo DiCaprio is a good actor
and he has proved it in the past ... same as Kate Winslet of course ...
Ebert even said DiCaprio not nominated for best actor in Titanic was
ludicrous !  This is just another aspect of the film you are criticizing for
no good reason in my opinion ... just because you dislike him as an actor,
it makes you hate his performance .. and the film ... before the opening
credits have finished rolling ... Hehe !  no hard feelings anyway !  Nice
discussion, huh ??  Locking those HORNS !  Yay !
Marc   ;o)







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From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Locking horns over "Titanic" ...
Date: 06 Nov 2000 12:53:34 -0000

I agree with the take on Celine Dion - she should have been thrown
overboard and drowned in the icy depths before she ever got to record
that godawful song.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Marc Desbiens [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    06 November 2000 06:53
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    [MV] Locking horns over "Titanic" ...
>
>
> ***** Ok, I just locked HORNS with a friend of mine who is always
> trashing
> Titanic ... the discussion is below ...
>
> ***** Adding comments ... inside your message, Daniel .. with stars in
> front
> ... Marc  ********   ;o)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Daniel's comments have no stars in front ...
>
>  >I didn't hate it as it was entertaining but I certainly didn't like
> it
>  >much--2.5/5.
>  >Most people are stupid (not saying you are for liking this film) so
> if a
>  >film grosses heaps of money or becomes the most succesful film of
> all time
> it
>  >doesn't really mean a lot to me,it just perptuates my theory that
> most
>  >people are stupid!
>
>
> ***** Yes, I agree that a lot of films making big money are awful, but
> some
> are mighty good as well .. example : American beauty ... I wouldn't
> say
> people in general who like "American beauty" are stupid (We both give
> 5/5 to
> that one, right ??)
>
> ***** I think you are being very harsh on this film considering how
> impressive it is ... ok you may not like the storyline and you always
> complain about "LEO" but look at all the other aspects of the films
> that are
> magnificent ... special effects, sound, music, stunts, sets, attention
> to a
> thousand and one details ...
>
> ****** I think you had your mind set from the get go when you saw this
> film
> ... like you already hated it for your own personal reasons and
> nothing
> could have made you change your mind about it ...
>
>
>  >This is the kind of film I'd expect you to dislike as well.Although
> it's
> fun
>  >I thought you'd see through it's predictable and formulaic romance,
>
>
> ***** Well, it was predictable, we've seen hundreds of people falling
> in
> love on screen, what ?? Is everyone suppose to hate each other in
> every
> movie out there ?? ...  but it was well made too ... I liked how they
> met,
> how they slowly but surely fell in love .. how they respected each
> other, I
> enjoyed it a great deal ... and that aspect of the film is not
> everything
> anyway ... the last 80-90 minutes or so involve the ship hitting the
> iceberg
> and sinking slowly but surely ... now that was expected of course, but
> how
> the movie depicts those last hours of Titanic's history is really
> handled in
> an impressive way, it looks REAL, man ... you're telling me that
> entire last
> hour is not 5/5 material ??  When the back of that ship lifts into the
> air
> ... man ... it's eye-popping stuff !! ... The film is managing to tell
> a
> story-within-a-story like that ... mixing the two together, both the
> romance
> and the sinking of the ship ... it's not easy to do yet they pulled it
> off !
>
>
> it's
>  >incredibly simplistic views on class structure--everyone rich is an
>  >asshole,everyone poor is nice.
>
>
> ***** Not true ... you are generalizing again ... There were rich
> people on
> that ship that were very nice, Kathy Bates, The architect who built
> the
> ship, Mr. Guggenheim, some of the other passengers come to mind ... I
> just
> saw it again and they were not ALL evil ... same as all the poor
> people were
> not angels either ...
>
>
> The old storyline of rich girl falls for poor
>  >boy who dies--give me a break,this story-line is old as the hills
> not to
>  >mention corny.It's a maniuplative film that slams it's
> messages,romance
> etc
>  >down your throat and it sure isn't orginial or an intelligent piece
> of
>  >cinema.
>
>
> ****** Sure it is a brilliant film, and many respected critics agree
> as
> well, Ebert : 4/4,  Berardinelli : 4/4 ... you just had the wrong
> mindset
> when you started watching it ... same as me perhaps when I watch an
> oldie
> film ... you were complaining the other day I was close-minded
> sometimes
> watching an oldie and not being forgiving for a car chase that looks
> phony-as-hell if
> I recall ... what happens in this film looks more realistic than any
> of
> those old car chases with images projected on a screen behind the
> actors for
> sure ...
>
>
> I mean christ any film with Celine Dion providing the soundtrack too
>  >hasn't got much going for it in terms of artistic integrity.
>
>
> **** I'm sorry but that song "My heart will go on" is "ace" ... Oscar
> winning song and it is perfect for this film as well .. Cameron didn't
> even
> intend on using any title song but when he heard this one he had to
> put it
> in ... again, your bad impression of Celine Dion is tainting your
> opinion of
> this song and the movie as well ... I am not even a Celine Dion fan in
>
> general, I have no Cd's of her but I saw her live once (tickets given
> to me
> for free !) and she gave a really entertaining show ... you would be
> surprised ... The music in this film is amazing anyway, mostly
> instrumental
> so your "Celine argument" is taking water in rapidly .. no pun
> intended !
>
>
> I don't want you
>  >to agree with me nessecarily but just see where I'm coming from.
>
>
> **** Yes, I know ... Seems we will NEVER agree on certain titles ...
> but I
> think you were being unfair on this one ...
>
>
> I hate
>  >eveything these kind of films stand for too,these big budget films
> made my
>  >directors who are more businessmen than artists.
>
>
> ****** I mostly like small budget films too as you know ... in my top
> 10 for
> 1999 probably 6 or 7 could be considered small budget films ... but a
> big
> budget film is not necessarely bad ... again ... you seem to be
> thinking
> because  a film has a big budget it must be bad ... if the money is
> spent
> wisely as it was the case in this one, you can have 100 M$ and make an
> awful
> film like "Waterworld", "Wild wild west" and other "Cuthroat island"
> and you
> can have 1M$ and make a masterpiece ...
>
> ***** I mean building a huge Titanic set, great special effects, a
> thousand
> and one extras, costumes, shooting footage of the real titanic, ...
> etc.
> This costs a lot of money ... and It can produce something really
> incredible
> as is the case here in my opinion ...
>
> ******* Your comments about Cameron are not appropriate since he has
> made
> heaps of great films before this one ... Terminator 2, The abyss, True
> lies,
> Terminator, Aliens ... etc. etc.  Ok, they are not "arsty" films ...
> but
> they are well made big budget action films ...
>
>
> I don't want to see films
>  >made by someone whose just trying to win oscars
>
>
> ****** Cameron must not be looking for Oscars since it probably was
> his
> first time getting one for Titanic ... I should check but he is not
> the
> "Oscar" type, right ??  How can you "try" to win an Oscar anyway ...
> you try
> to make a good film, I'm sure he was thinking .. "where am I going to
> put my
> Oscar for best director ??" when he was on the set knee deep in cold
> water !
>   If he wants to have an Oscar he can buy one for 1000$ probably ...
> ;o)
>
>
> and make a shitload of money
>  >by figuring out the best "formulaic" storyline will do the
> business.A
>  >tragedy,romance,a pair of good looking leads--pure an utter
> commercialism.
>
>
> ***** He believed in the project, accepting to work for FREE when the
> budget
> was out of control, so he's not only thinking of his wallet and making
>
> commercial films ... Despite what you say Leonardo DiCaprio is a good
> actor
> and he has proved it in the past ... same as Kate Winslet of course
> ...
> Ebert even said DiCaprio not nominated for best actor in Titanic was
> ludicrous !  This is just another aspect of the film you are
> criticizing for
> no good reason in my opinion ... just because you dislike him as an
> actor,
> it makes you hate his performance .. and the film ... before the
> opening
> credits have finished rolling ... Hehe !  no hard feelings anyway !
> Nice
> discussion, huh ??  Locking those HORNS !  Yay !
> Marc   ;o)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: RICHARD BENJAMIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Locking horns over Titanic ...
Date: 06 Nov 2000 12:39:29 +0000

Here, here.

Ruining a perfectly fine movie with her warbling and once again showing
the tendency for the masses to act like a bunch of sheep and gravitate
towards utter pap.

MARK wrote:
>I agree with the take on Celine Dion - she should have been thrown
>overboard and drowned in the icy depths before she ever got to record
>that godawful song.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:    Marc Desbiens [SMTP:[e-mail]]
>> Sent:    06 November 2000 06:53
>> To:    [e-mail]
>> Subject:    [MV] Locking horns over "Titanic" ...
>>
>>
>> ***** Ok, I just locked HORNS with a friend of mine who is always
>> trashing
>> Titanic ... the discussion is below ...
>>
>> ***** Adding comments ... inside your message, Daniel .. with stars in
>> front
>> ... Marc  ********   ;o)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Daniel's comments have no stars in front ...
>>
>>  >I didn't hate it as it was entertaining but I certainly didn't like
>> it
>>  >much--2.5/5.
>>  >Most people are stupid (not saying you are for liking this film) so
>> if a
>>  >film grosses heaps of money or becomes the most succesful film of
>> all time
>> it
>>  >doesn't really mean a lot to me,it just perptuates my theory that
>> most
>>  >people are stupid!
>>
>>
>> ***** Yes, I agree that a lot of films making big money are awful, but
>> some
>> are mighty good as well .. example : American beauty ... I wouldn't
>> say
>> people in general who like "American beauty" are stupid (We both give
>> 5/5 to
>> that one, right ??)
>>
>> ***** I think you are being very harsh on this film considering how
>> impressive it is ... ok you may not like the storyline and you always
>> complain about "LEO" but look at all the other aspects of the films
>> that are
>> magnificent ... special effects, sound, music, stunts, sets, attention
>> to a
>> thousand and one details ...
>>
>> ****** I think you had your mind set from the get go when you saw this
>> film
>> ... like you already hated it for your own personal reasons and
>> nothing
>> could have made you change your mind about it ...
>>
>>
>>  >This is the kind of film I'd expect you to dislike as well.Although
>> it's
>> fun
>>  >I thought you'd see through it's predictable and formulaic romance,
>>
>>
>> ***** Well, it was predictable, we've seen hundreds of people falling
>> in
>> love on screen, what ?? Is everyone suppose to hate each other in
>> every
>> movie out there ?? ...  but it was well made too ... I liked how they
>> met,
>> how they slowly but surely fell in love .. how they respected each
>> other, I
>> enjoyed it a great deal ... and that aspect of the film is not
>> everything
>> anyway ... the last 80-90 minutes or so involve the ship hitting the
>> iceberg
>> and sinking slowly but surely ... now that was expected of course, but
>> how
>> the movie depicts those last hours of Titanic's history is really
>> handled in
>> an impressive way, it looks REAL, man ... you're telling me that
>> entire last
>> hour is not 5/5 material ??  When the back of that ship lifts into the
>> air
>> ... man ... it's eye-popping stuff !! ... The film is managing to tell
>> a
>> story-within-a-story like that ... mixing the two together, both the
>> romance
>> and the sinking of the ship ... it's not easy to do yet they pulled it
>> off !
>>
>>
>> it's
>>  >incredibly simplistic views on class structure--everyone rich is an
>>  >asshole,everyone poor is nice.
>>
>>
>> ***** Not true ... you are generalizing again ... There were rich
>> people on
>> that ship that were very nice, Kathy Bates, The architect who built
>> the
>> ship, Mr. Guggenheim, some of the other passengers come to mind ... I
>> just
>> saw it again and they were not ALL evil ... same as all the poor
>> people were
>> not angels either ...
>>
>>
>> The old storyline of rich girl falls for poor
>>  >boy who dies--give me a break,this story-line is old as the hills
>> not to
>>  >mention corny.It's a maniuplative film that slams it's
>> messages,romance
>> etc
>>  >down your throat and it sure isn't orginial or an intelligent piece
>> of
>>  >cinema.
>>
>>
>> ****** Sure it is a brilliant film, and many respected critics agree
>> as
>> well, Ebert : 4/4,  Berardinelli : 4/4 ... you just had the wrong
>> mindset
>> when you started watching it ... same as me perhaps when I watch an
>> oldie
>> film ... you were complaining the other day I was close-minded
>> sometimes
>> watching an oldie and not being forgiving for a car chase that looks
>> phony-as-hell if
>> I recall ... what happens in this film looks more realistic than any
>> of
>> those old car chases with images projected on a screen behind the
>> actors for
>> sure ...
>>
>>
>> I mean christ any film with Celine Dion providing the soundtrack too
>>  >hasn't got much going for it in terms of artistic integrity.
>>
>>
>> **** I'm sorry but that song "My heart will go on" is "ace" ... Oscar
>> winning song and it is perfect for this film as well .. Cameron didn't
>> even
>> intend on using any title song but when he heard this one he had to
>> put it
>> in ... again, your bad impression of Celine Dion is tainting your
>> opinion of
>> this song and the movie as well ... I am not even a Celine Dion fan in
>>
>> general, I have no Cd's of her but I saw her live once (tickets given
>> to me
>> for free !) and she gave a really entertaining show ... you would be
>> surprised ... The music in this film is amazing anyway, mostly
>> instrumental
>> so your "Celine argument" is taking water in rapidly .. no pun
>> intended !
>>
>>
>> I don't want you
>>  >to agree with me nessecarily but just see where I'm coming from.
>>
>>
>> **** Yes, I know ... Seems we will NEVER agree on certain titles ...
>> but I
>> think you were being unfair on this one ...
>>
>>
>> I hate
>>  >eveything these kind of films stand for too,these big budget films
>> made my
>>  >directors who are more businessmen than artists.
>>
>>
>> ****** I mostly like small budget films too as you know ... in my top
>> 10 for
>> 1999 probably 6 or 7 could be considered small budget films ... but a
>> big
>> budget film is not necessarely bad ... again ... you seem to be
>> thinking
>> because  a film has a big budget it must be bad ... if the money is
>> spent
>> wisely as it was the case in this one, you can have 100 M$ and make an
>> awful
>> film like "Waterworld", "Wild wild west" and other "Cuthroat island"
>> and you
>> can have 1M$ and make a masterpiece ...
>>
>> ***** I mean building a huge Titanic set, great special effects, a
>> thousand
>> and one extras, costumes, shooting footage of the real titanic, ...
>> etc.
>> This costs a lot of money ... and It can produce something really
>> incredible
>> as is the case here in my opinion ...
>>
>> ******* Your comments about Cameron are not appropriate since he has
>> made
>> heaps of great films before this one ... Terminator 2, The abyss, True
>> lies,
>> Terminator, Aliens ... etc. etc.  Ok, they are not "arsty" films ...
>> but
>> they are well made big budget action films ...
>>
>>
>> I don't want to see films
>>  >made by someone whose just trying to win oscars
>>
>>
>> ****** Cameron must not be looking for Oscars since it probably was
>> his
>> first time getting one for Titanic ... I should check but he is not
>> the
>> "Oscar" type, right ??  How can you "try" to win an Oscar anyway ...
>> you try
>> to make a good film, I'm sure he was thinking .. "where am I going to
>> put my
>> Oscar for best director ??" when he was on the set knee deep in cold
>> water !
>>   If he wants to have an Oscar he can buy one for 1000$ probably ...
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>> and make a shitload of money
>>  >by figuring out the best "formulaic" storyline will do the
>> business.A
>>  >tragedy,romance,a pair of good looking leads--pure an utter
>> commercialism.
>>
>>
>> ***** He believed in the project, accepting to work for FREE when the
>> budget
>> was out of control, so he's not only thinking of his wallet and making
>>
>> commercial films ... Despite what you say Leonardo DiCaprio is a good
>> actor
>> and he has proved it in the past ... same as Kate Winslet of course
>> ...
>> Ebert even said DiCaprio not nominated for best actor in Titanic was
>> ludicrous !  This is just another aspect of the film you are
>> criticizing for
>> no good reason in my opinion ... just because you dislike him as an
>> actor,
>> it makes you hate his performance .. and the film ... before the
>> opening
>> credits have finished rolling ... Hehe !  no hard feelings anyway !
>> Nice
>> discussion, huh ??  Locking those HORNS !  Yay !
>> Marc   ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Emotional movies ...
Date: 06 Nov 2000 15:49:32 -0000

After reading this list I think I know a little more about you now Marc
- YOU ARE A WUSS!!!!  :)

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>
>
> Ok, I'd like to know what movies touch you in a very special way ...
> maybe
> even to the point of crying when you watch them ... I'll list my
> selections
> below ...
>
> I just watched Titanic (1997) again and I have to say this is my #1
> choice
> ... I am close to crying 4 or 5 times during that movie (don't laugh
> !) ...
> it just gets to me, especially near the end of course when they are
> all
> dying in the icy water, but also the very last shot of the movie when
> we see
> everyone on the boat and they are applauding ... oh man ... I was
> almost a
> "snivelling" mess ... (Not a pretty sight !)   I didn't cry but I was
> surprised how hard this film hits me, even if it was the third time
> I've
> seen it ... I guess this is the sign of a powerful film.
>
> My list, random order except for Titanic that is my #1 as I said ...
>
> - Titanic  (1997)
>
> - Leaving Las Vegas - 1995
> - Schindler's list - 1993
> - Dead man walking - 1995
> - One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1975
> - The celebration - 1998
>
> - Apollo 13 - 1995
> - Rosetta - 1999
> - Braveheart - 1995
> - Breaking the waves - 1996
> - Boys don't cry - 1999
>
> - The sweet hereafter - 1997
> - This boy's life - 1993
> - Scent of a woman - 1992
> - The last detail - 1973
> - Angela's ashes - 1999
>
> - Midnight express - 1978
> - Awakenings - 1990
> - The bridges of Madison county - 1995
> - Alive - 1993
> - In the name of the father - 1993
>
> - Sophie's choice - 1982
> - Forrest gump - 1994
> - The war zone - 1999
>
> snif !   :o*(
>
> Have a fine day !
>
> Marc   ;o)
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From: RICHARD BENJAMIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Emotional movies ...
Date: 06 Nov 2000 15:45:07 +0000

Marc, you forgot Beaches, The Champ and Terms of Endearment!





>











>




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PSYCHE!



Marc Desbiens wrote:
>
>Ok, I'd like to know what movies touch you in a very special way ...
maybe
>even to the point of crying when you watch them ... I'll list my
selections
>below ...
>
>I just watched Titanic (1997) again and I have to say this is my #1
choice
>... I am close to crying 4 or 5 times during that movie (don't laugh !)
...
>it just gets to me, especially near the end of course when they are all
>dying in the icy water, but also the very last shot of the movie when we
see
>everyone on the boat and they are applauding ... oh man ... I was almost
a
>"snivelling" mess ... (Not a pretty sight !)   I didn't cry but I was
>surprised how hard this film hits me, even if it was the third time I've

>seen it ... I guess this is the sign of a powerful film.
>
>My list, random order except for Titanic that is my #1 as I said ...
>
>- Titanic  (1997)
>
>- Leaving Las Vegas - 1995
>- Schindler's list - 1993
>- Dead man walking - 1995
>- One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1975
>- The celebration - 1998
>
>- Apollo 13 - 1995
>- Rosetta - 1999
>- Braveheart - 1995
>- Breaking the waves - 1996
>- Boys don't cry - 1999
>
>- The sweet hereafter - 1997
>- This boy's life - 1993
>- Scent of a woman - 1992
>- The last detail - 1973
>- Angela's ashes - 1999
>
>- Midnight express - 1978
>- Awakenings - 1990
>- The bridges of Madison county - 1995
>- Alive - 1993
>- In the name of the father - 1993
>
>- Sophie's choice - 1982
>- Forrest gump - 1994
>- The war zone - 1999
>
>snif !   :o*(
>
>Have a fine day !
>
>Marc   ;o)
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From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: [MV] Emotional movies ...
Date: 06 Nov 2000 16:15:34 -0000

Let's not forget Steel Magnolias, Fried Green Tomatoes at the
Whistlestop Cafe, Born Free, Romeo and Juliet, Pretty Woman, Dying Young
and any t.v. movie starring either Victoria Principle or Dee Wallace
Stone

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> Sent:    06 November 2000 15:45
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> Subject:    RE: [MV] Emotional movies ...
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> Marc, you forgot Beaches, The Champ and Terms of Endearment!
>
>
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>
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> >
>
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> >
>
>
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> PSYCHE!
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>
> Marc Desbiens wrote:
> >
> >Ok, I'd like to know what movies touch you in a very special way ...
> maybe
> >even to the point of crying when you watch them ... I'll list my
> selections
> >below ...
> >
> >I just watched Titanic (1997) again and I have to say this is my #1
> choice
> >... I am close to crying 4 or 5 times during that movie (don't laugh
> !)
> ...
> >it just gets to me, especially near the end of course when they are
> all
> >dying in the icy water, but also the very last shot of the movie when
> we
> see
> >everyone on the boat and they are applauding ... oh man ... I was
> almost
> a
> >"snivelling" mess ... (Not a pretty sight !)   I didn't cry but I was
>
> >surprised how hard this film hits me, even if it was the third time
> I've
>
> >seen it ... I guess this is the sign of a powerful film.
> >
> >My list, random order except for Titanic that is my #1 as I said ...
> >
> >- Titanic  (1997)
> >
> >- Leaving Las Vegas - 1995
> >- Schindler's list - 1993
> >- Dead man walking - 1995
> >- One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1975
> >- The celebration - 1998
> >
> >- Apollo 13 - 1995
> >- Rosetta - 1999
> >- Braveheart - 1995
> >- Breaking the waves - 1996
> >- Boys don't cry - 1999
> >
> >- The sweet hereafter - 1997
> >- This boy's life - 1993
> >- Scent of a woman - 1992
> >- The last detail - 1973
> >- Angela's ashes - 1999
> >
> >- Midnight express - 1978
> >- Awakenings - 1990
> >- The bridges of Madison county - 1995
> >- Alive - 1993
> >- In the name of the father - 1993
> >
> >- Sophie's choice - 1982
> >- Forrest gump - 1994
> >- The war zone - 1999
> >
> >snif !   :o*(
> >
> >Have a fine day !
> >
> >Marc   ;o)
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From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: Emotional movies ...
Date: 06 Nov 2000 10:17:00 -0700

> Ok, I'd like to know what movies touch you in a very special way

Since it seems everybody is listing off more recent fare, I'd like to take us
back to 1935, for a film that is fresh on my mind since I watched for
Halloween: BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN.  I'm sure that those of you who haven't seen
the film are saying "!?!" to yourselves, but I assure you the film is quite
emotional.  The scenes that get to me the most are the encounter in the
hermit's cabin as well as the heart-breaking ending.  The film is rather funny
and camp as well, which means it will take you through the full gamut of
emotions.  A highly recommended classic.

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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] The best must die - 1969 - 3.5/5
Date: 08 Nov 2000 02:36:33 EST


Hi !

I watched this french film tonight : "Que la bete meure" also available with
english subtitles under the title : "The beast must die" (1969)

It's a film directed by one of my favorite french directors, Claude Chabrol
... I love many of his twisted tales often involving murders and
double-crossings ...

The story is fairly simple ... we see a young boy around 8 years old walking
home and just as he is crossing an intersection, a Ford Mustang appears and
hits him ... the driver is acting like a maniac and doesn't even stop, just
keeps on going, a hit-and-run ...

The story then focuses on the father (Well played by Michel Duchaussoy) who
swears that he will get the bastard who killed his son ... he doesn't care
if it takes months or even years but he will find whoever is responsible.

The police doesn't help much saying they have already done everything they
could but have little to work with, so he does his own little investigation
and tries to find clues to find out the type of car that was used, where it
could possibly have been repaired, the type of damage it would have had ...
etc.

All this is done in a very intelligent and restrained way that could
possibly seem boring to some people who are more used to wild action films
... but it's a nice change of pace in my opinion !

The man writes his thoughts and the progress of his investigation in a
journal and we hear him in voice overs describing what he is thinking of and
especially what he will do to the person who killed his son (He wants to
torture that person for several hours basically until he/she dies in
horrible pain ...)

After a while he finds some intriguing clues and this leads to a young
french actress that could possibly be involved, (Caroline Cellier is amazing
in this film !) so he pretends to fall in love with her in order to find out
more ...

He needs to be sure of course before going ahead with his revenge scheme ...
he has to take his time of course as he can't just ask her point blank "Did
you kill a little boy by hitting him with your car in january of this year
??" ... he has to look for more clues to find out if she is involved or not
... or maybe if it's someone close to her that is ...

This is a very good film that I recommend.  Good dialogues, acting,
cinematography ... and the story
is of course very interesting.

3.5/5

Marc     ;o)

" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
"Halloween" - 1978










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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Alternate title for "The beast must die"
Date: 08 Nov 2000 03:14:10 EST


Precision :

The film is known either as :

"The beast must die" or "This man must die"

Here's a link to a favorable lil' capsule review ... Leonard Maltin also
rates it at 3.5/4 and calls it one
of Claude Chabrol's best films.

http://onfilm.chireader.com/MovieCaps/T/TH/08277_THIS_MAN_MUST_DIE.html

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From: MARK <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Flm Four
Date: 08 Nov 2000 09:31:46 -0000

    I recently subscribed to Film-Four, the production house linked
to the U.K.#'s Channel 4 television station, and it got me thinking
about the great films they have given us, take a look at the following
list, and I'm sure you'll all agree that a lot of these films are sheer
quality, yep there are also some real stinkers, but mainly they produce
excellent films.

MARK
FILMS RELEASED since 1982
Gangster No.1  - Simon Magus - Down To You <synopsis/downtoyou.cfm> -
The Filth and the Fury <synopsis/filthandfury.cfm> - Ghost Dog
<http://www.ghostdog.co.uk/> - Holy Smoke
<http://www.holysmoke-movie.co.uk/> - With or Without You
<synopsis/oldnewborrowedblue.cfm> - Elephant Juice
<synopsis/elephant.cfm> - Vigo - A Passion for Life - The Lost Son
<synopsis/thelostson.cfm> - Croupier - Food of Love - Janice Beard 45
wpm <synopsis/janice.cfm> - Gregory's Two Girls <synopsis/gregorys.cfm>
- A Price Above Rubies <synopsis/apriceaboverubies.cfm> - Last Night
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/last_night/index.cfm> -
East is East <synopsis/east.cfm> - Buena Vista Social Club
<synopsis/buena.cfm> - Beautiful People - The War Zone
<synopsis/thewarzone.cfm> - Straight Story
<synopsis/thestraightstory.cfm> - Dogma <synopsis/dogma.cfm> - Hold Back
the Night - The Debt Collector <synopsis/thedebt.cfm> - The Red Violin
<synopsis/redviolin.cfm> - Prometheus <synopsis/prometheus.cfm> -
Solomon and Gaenor <synopsis/soloman.cfm> - Orphans
<synopsis/orphans.cfm> - Hilary and Jackie <synopsis/hilary.cfm> - The
Acid House
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/acid_house/acid_frame.cfm
> - The Boys <synopsis/theboys.cfm> - Dancing at Lughnasa
<synopsis/dancing.cfm> - My Name is Joe
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/my_name_is_joe/joe_frame.
cfm> - Elizabeth <synopsis/elizabeth.cfm> - Velvet Goldmine
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/velvet_goldmine/velvet_fr
ame.cfm> - Babymother
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/babymother/baby_frame.cfm
> - Land Girls <synopsis/thelandgirls.cfm> - Martha Meet Frank, Daniel
and Laurence - Winter Guest - The Disappearance of Finbar - Crimetime -
Secrets and Lies - Carla's Song - Brassed Off - A Life Less Ordinary -
Downtime - Bent - Welcome to Sarajevo - Slab Boys - Career Girls - The
Truce - Jump the Gun - The Woodlanders - A Further Gesture - Portraits
Chinois - The Gambler - Food of Love - Fever Pitch - True Blue - Trojan
Eddie - Walking and Talking - The Proprietor - Remember Me - A Midsummer
Nights Dream - Trainspotting - Le Confessional - Nothing Personal - Kama
Sutra - Alive and Kicking - Hollow Reed - Gullivers Travels - No Worries
- Naked - Beautiful Thing - Kieslowski's Colour Blue, White and Red -
American Buffalo - Vanya on 42nd Street - Safe - This Boys Story -
Postcards From America - The Pillow Book - Oleanna - The Neon Bible -
The Madness of King George - Frankie Starlight - Death and the Maiden -
Blue Juice - Shopping - Shallow Grave - Sister My Sister - Ladybird
Ladybird - Institute Benjamenta - Four Weddings and a Funeral - Backbeat
- Amateur - A Pin for the Butterfly - Closing Numbers - The Baby of
Macon - Simple Men - Secret Rapture - Raining Stones - Peter's Friends -
Riff Raff - Prosperos Books - My Crazy Life - Friends - Damage - Bad
Behaviour - Bhaji on the Beach - Wild West - Waterland - The Crying Game
- Lucky Village - Shuttlecock - Secret Friends - Othello - Long Day
Closes - London Kills Me - Into the West - Howards End - God on the
Rocks - Dust Devil - Drop Dead Fred - Bye Bye Baby - Best Intentions -
Blonde Fist - Young Soul Rebels - Waiting - Trust - The Miracle - The
Fool - The Bridge - The Arc - Sam and Me - One Man's War - Life is Sweet
- In Custody - I Hired a Contract Killer - Hear My Song - Diplomatic
Immunity - Dakota Road - Close My Eyes - Child of the South - Ballad of
Sad CafΘ - Wild Flowers - The White Room - The Final Frame - The Dive -
The Children - Speaking Parts - Smack and Thistle - Shooting Stars -
Paper Mask - Fools of Fortune - Dr M - December Bride - Conquest of the
South Pole - Bearskin - 1871 - Vroom - Venus Peter - Tree of Hands - The
Nature of the Beast - Streets of Yesterday - Strapless - Queen of Hearts
- In Fading Light - Diamond Skulls - Angry Earth - We Think the World of
You - Sour Sweet - Resurrected - Reefer and the Model - Pascali's Island
- Paris by Night - On the Black Hill - Nanou - Milk and Honey - Leave to
Remain - Ladder of Swords - Joyriders - Hope and Glory - High Hopes -
Distant Voices, Still Lives - A World Apart - Wish You Were Here - The
Kitchen Toto - The First Kangaroos - The Dressmaker - The Deceivers -
The Dead - The Belly of an Architect - Stormy Monday - Sammy and Rosie
Get Laid - Rita, Sue and Bob Too - Prick up Your Ears - Playing Away -
Maurice - Maschenka - Hotel du Paradis - High Season - Hidden City -
Good Morning Babylon - Empire State - Drowning By Numbers - Crime Pays -
Another Country - American Roulette - A Month in the Country - A
Gathering of Old Men - Fatherland - The Good Father - Ping Pong - A Zed
and Two Noughts - Letters to an Unknown Lover - Born of Fire - My
Beautiful Laundrette - Comrades - Letter to Brezhnev - Billy the Kid and
the Green Baize Vampire - Carravaggio - Mona Lisa - No Surrender - Lamb
- Heavenly Pursuits - Christmas Present - Eat the Peach - Good and Bad
at Games - A Private Function - Cal - Winter Flight - Parker - A Room
with a View - The Assam Garden - Summer Lightning - Restless Natives - A
Song for Europe - Wetherby - Sacred Hearts - The Chain - She'll Be
Wearing Pink Pyjamas - Shady - Dance with a Stranger - Forever Young -
Success is the Best Revenge - Singleton's Pluck - The Company of Wolves
- Acceptable Levels - Heat and Dust - Arthur's Hallowed Ground -
Insignificance - The Innocent - El Norte - Paris Texas - Flight to
Berlin - Outcasts - The Last Day of Summer - Runners - Loose Connections
- Reflections - The Country Girls - In the White City - Squaring the
Circle - Sharma and Beyond - A Flame to Phoenix - Meantime - Those
Glory, Glory Days - Another Time, Another Place - The Ploughman's Lunch
- The Bad Sister - Red Monarch - Nelly's Version - Living Apart Together
- Walter and June - Accounts - I'll Fares the Land - Secrets -
Moonlighting - Hero - Bad Hats - Giro City - Praying Mantis -
Remembrance - The Draughtsmans Contract - Angel - Experience Preferred
But Not Essential - The Disappearance of Harry - P'Tang Yang Kipperbang
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From: RICHARD BENJAMIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: [1][MV] The best must die - 1969 - 3.5/5
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:05:04 +0000

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Hi !

I watched this french film tonight : "Que la bete meure" also available
with
english subtitles under the title : "The beast must die" (1969)

It's a film directed by one of my favorite french directors, Claude
Chabrol
... I love many of his twisted tales often involving murders and
double-crossings ...

The story is fairly simple ... we see a young boy around 8 years old
walking
home and just as he is crossing an intersection, a Ford Mustang appears
and
hits him ... the driver is acting like a maniac and doesn't even stop,
just
keeps on going, a hit-and-run ...

The story then focuses on the father (Well played by Michel Duchaussoy)
who
swears that he will get the bastard who killed his son ... he doesn't
care
if it takes months or even years but he will find whoever is responsible.

The police doesn't help much saying they have already done everything
they
could but have little to work with, so he does his own little
investigation
and tries to find clues to find out the type of car that was used, where
it
could possibly have been repaired, the type of damage it would have had
...
etc.

All this is done in a very intelligent and restrained way that could
possibly seem boring to some people who are more used to wild action
films
... but it's a nice change of pace in my opinion !

The man writes his thoughts and the progress of his investigation in a
journal and we hear him in voice overs describing what he is thinking of
and
especially what he will do to the person who killed his son (He wants to
torture that person for several hours basically until he/she dies in
horrible pain ...)

After a while he finds some intriguing clues and this leads to a young
french actress that could possibly be involved, (Caroline Cellier is
amazing
in this film !) so he pretends to fall in love with her in order to find
out
more ...

He needs to be sure of course before going ahead with his revenge scheme
...
he has to take his time of course as he can't just ask her point blank
"Did
you kill a little boy by hitting him with your car in january of this
year
??" ... he has to look for more clues to find out if she is involved or
not
... or maybe if it's someone close to her that is ...

This is a very good film that I recommend.  Good dialogues, acting,
cinematography ... and the story
is of course very interesting.

3.5/5

Marc     ;o)

" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
"Halloween" - 1978










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From: RICHARD BENJAMIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: [1][MV] Alternate title for The beast must die
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:05:06 +0000

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Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

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Precision :

The film is known either as :

"The beast must die" or "This man must die"

Here's a link to a favorable lil' capsule review ... Leonard Maltin also
rates it at 3.5/4 and calls it one
of Claude Chabrol's best films.

http://onfilm.chireader.com/MovieCaps/T/TH/08277_THIS_MAN_MUST_DIE.html

Marc  ;o)
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Subject: [1][MV] Flm Four
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:05:09 +0000

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or =
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source, =
Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
Sheffield
S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]   =
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]

    I recently subscribed to Film-Four, the production house linked
to the U.K.#'s Channel 4 television station, and it got me thinking
about the great films they have given us, take a look at the following
list, and I'm sure you'll all agree that a lot of these films are sheer
quality, yep there are also some real stinkers, but mainly they produce
excellent films.

MARK
FILMS RELEASED since 1982 =
Gangster No.1  - Simon Magus - Down To You <synopsis/downtoyou.cfm> -
The Filth and the Fury <synopsis/filthandfury.cfm> - Ghost Dog
<http://www.ghostdog.co.uk/> - Holy Smoke
<http://www.holysmoke-movie.co.uk/> - With or Without You
<synopsis/oldnewborrowedblue.cfm> - Elephant Juice
<synopsis/elephant.cfm> - Vigo - A Passion for Life - The Lost Son
<synopsis/thelostson.cfm> - Croupier - Food of Love - Janice Beard 45
wpm <synopsis/janice.cfm> - Gregory's Two Girls <synopsis/gregorys.cfm>
- A Price Above Rubies <synopsis/apriceaboverubies.cfm> - Last Night
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/last_night/index.cfm> -
East is East <synopsis/east.cfm> - Buena Vista Social Club
<synopsis/buena.cfm> - Beautiful People - The War Zone
<synopsis/thewarzone.cfm> - Straight Story
<synopsis/thestraightstory.cfm> - Dogma <synopsis/dogma.cfm> - Hold Back
the Night - The Debt Collector <synopsis/thedebt.cfm> - The Red Violin
<synopsis/redviolin.cfm> - Prometheus <synopsis/prometheus.cfm> -
Solomon and Gaenor <synopsis/soloman.cfm> - Orphans
<synopsis/orphans.cfm> - Hilary and Jackie <synopsis/hilary.cfm> - The
Acid House
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/acid_house/acid_frame.cfm
> - The Boys <synopsis/theboys.cfm> - Dancing at Lughnasa
<synopsis/dancing.cfm> - My Name is Joe
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/my_name_is_joe/joe_frame.
cfm> - Elizabeth <synopsis/elizabeth.cfm> - Velvet Goldmine
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/velvet_goldmine/velvet_fr
ame.cfm> - Babymother
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/babymother/baby_frame.cfm
> - Land Girls <synopsis/thelandgirls.cfm> - Martha Meet Frank, Daniel
and Laurence - Winter Guest - The Disappearance of Finbar - Crimetime -
Secrets and Lies - Carla's Song - Brassed Off - A Life Less Ordinary -
Downtime - Bent - Welcome to Sarajevo - Slab Boys - Career Girls - The
Truce - Jump the Gun - The Woodlanders - A Further Gesture - Portraits
Chinois - The Gambler - Food of Love - Fever Pitch - True Blue - Trojan
Eddie - Walking and Talking - The Proprietor - Remember Me - A Midsummer
Nights Dream - Trainspotting - Le Confessional - Nothing Personal - Kama
Sutra - Alive and Kicking - Hollow Reed - Gullivers Travels - No Worries
- Naked - Beautiful Thing - Kieslowski's Colour Blue, White and Red -
American Buffalo - Vanya on 42nd Street - Safe - This Boys Story -
Postcards From America - The Pillow Book - Oleanna - The Neon Bible -
The Madness of King George - Frankie Starlight - Death and the Maiden -
Blue Juice - Shopping - Shallow Grave - Sister My Sister - Ladybird
Ladybird - Institute Benjamenta - Four Weddings and a Funeral - Backbeat
- Amateur - A Pin for the Butterfly - Closing Numbers - The Baby of
Macon - Simple Men - Secret Rapture - Raining Stones - Peter's Friends -
Riff Raff - Prosperos Books - My Crazy Life - Friends - Damage - Bad
Behaviour - Bhaji on the Beach - Wild West - Waterland - The Crying Game
- Lucky Village - Shuttlecock - Secret Friends - Othello - Long Day
Closes - London Kills Me - Into the West - Howards End - God on the
Rocks - Dust Devil - Drop Dead Fred - Bye Bye Baby - Best Intentions -
Blonde Fist - Young Soul Rebels - Waiting - Trust - The Miracle - The
Fool - The Bridge - The Arc - Sam and Me - One Man's War - Life is Sweet
- In Custody - I Hired a Contract Killer - Hear My Song - Diplomatic
Immunity - Dakota Road - Close My Eyes - Child of the South - Ballad of
Sad Caf=E9 - Wild Flowers - The White Room - The Final Frame - The Dive -
The Children - Speaking Parts - Smack and Thistle - Shooting Stars -
Paper Mask - Fools of Fortune - Dr M - December Bride - Conquest of the
South Pole - Bearskin - 1871 - Vroom - Venus Peter - Tree of Hands - The
Nature of the Beast - Streets of Yesterday - Strapless - Queen of Hearts
- In Fading Light - Diamond Skulls - Angry Earth - We Think the World of
You - Sour Sweet - Resurrected - Reefer and the Model - Pascali's Island
- Paris by Night - On the Black Hill - Nanou - Milk and Honey - Leave to
Remain - Ladder of Swords - Joyriders - Hope and Glory - High Hopes -
Distant Voices, Still Lives - A World Apart - Wish You Were Here - The
Kitchen Toto - The First Kangaroos - The Dressmaker - The Deceivers -
The Dead - The Belly of an Architect - Stormy Monday - Sammy and Rosie
Get Laid - Rita, Sue and Bob Too - Prick up Your Ears - Playing Away -
Maurice - Maschenka - Hotel du Paradis - High Season - Hidden City -
Good Morning Babylon - Empire State - Drowning By Numbers - Crime Pays -
Another Country - American Roulette - A Month in the Country - A
Gathering of Old Men - Fatherland - The Good Father - Ping Pong - A Zed
and Two Noughts - Letters to an Unknown Lover - Born of Fire - My
Beautiful Laundrette - Comrades - Letter to Brezhnev - Billy the Kid and
the Green Baize Vampire - Carravaggio - Mona Lisa - No Surrender - Lamb
- Heavenly Pursuits - Christmas Present - Eat the Peach - Good and Bad
at Games - A Private Function - Cal - Winter Flight - Parker - A Room
with a View - The Assam Garden - Summer Lightning - Restless Natives - A
Song for Europe - Wetherby - Sacred Hearts - The Chain - She'll Be
Wearing Pink Pyjamas - Shady - Dance with a Stranger - Forever Young -
Success is the Best Revenge - Singleton's Pluck - The Company of Wolves
- Acceptable Levels - Heat and Dust - Arthur's Hallowed Ground -
Insignificance - The Innocent - El Norte - Paris Texas - Flight to
Berlin - Outcasts - The Last Day of Summer - Runners - Loose Connections
- Reflections - The Country Girls - In the White City - Squaring the
Circle - Sharma and Beyond - A Flame to Phoenix - Meantime - Those
Glory, Glory Days - Another Time, Another Place - The Ploughman's Lunch
- The Bad Sister - Red Monarch - Nelly's Version - Living Apart Together
- Walter and June - Accounts - I'll Fares the Land - Secrets -
Moonlighting - Hero - Bad Hats - Giro City - Praying Mantis -
Remembrance - The Draughtsmans Contract - Angel - Experience Preferred
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From: RICHARD BENJAMIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: [2][MV] The best must die - 1969 - 3.5/5
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:25:03 +0000

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source,
Westbrook Court
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Sheffield
S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source,
Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
Sheffield
S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]


Hi !

I watched this french film tonight : "Que la bete meure" also available
with
english subtitles under the title : "The beast must die" (1969)

It's a film directed by one of my favorite french directors, Claude
Chabrol
... I love many of his twisted tales often involving murders and
double-crossings ...

The story is fairly simple ... we see a young boy around 8 years old
walking
home and just as he is crossing an intersection, a Ford Mustang appears
and
hits him ... the driver is acting like a maniac and doesn't even stop,
just
keeps on going, a hit-and-run ...

The story then focuses on the father (Well played by Michel Duchaussoy)
who
swears that he will get the bastard who killed his son ... he doesn't
care
if it takes months or even years but he will find whoever is responsible.

The police doesn't help much saying they have already done everything
they
could but have little to work with, so he does his own little
investigation
and tries to find clues to find out the type of car that was used, where
it
could possibly have been repaired, the type of damage it would have had
...
etc.

All this is done in a very intelligent and restrained way that could
possibly seem boring to some people who are more used to wild action
films
... but it's a nice change of pace in my opinion !

The man writes his thoughts and the progress of his investigation in a
journal and we hear him in voice overs describing what he is thinking of
and
especially what he will do to the person who killed his son (He wants to
torture that person for several hours basically until he/she dies in
horrible pain ...)

After a while he finds some intriguing clues and this leads to a young
french actress that could possibly be involved, (Caroline Cellier is
amazing
in this film !) so he pretends to fall in love with her in order to find
out
more ...

He needs to be sure of course before going ahead with his revenge scheme
...
he has to take his time of course as he can't just ask her point blank
"Did
you kill a little boy by hitting him with your car in january of this
year
??" ... he has to look for more clues to find out if she is involved or
not
... or maybe if it's someone close to her that is ...

This is a very good film that I recommend.  Good dialogues, acting,
cinematography ... and the story
is of course very interesting.

3.5/5

Marc     ;o)

" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
"Halloween" - 1978










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Subject: [2][MV] Flm Four
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:25:04 +0000

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or =
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source, =
Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
Sheffield
S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]   =
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or =
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source, Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
Sheffield
S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]   Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]

    I recently subscribed to Film-Four, the production house linked
to the U.K.#'s Channel 4 television station, and it got me thinking
about the great films they have given us, take a look at the following
list, and I'm sure you'll all agree that a lot of these films are sheer
quality, yep there are also some real stinkers, but mainly they produce
excellent films.

MARK
FILMS RELEASED since 1982 Gangster No.1  - Simon Magus - Down To You <=
synopsis/downtoyou.cfm> -
The Filth and the Fury <synopsis/filthandfury.cfm> - Ghost Dog
<http://www.ghostdog.co.uk/> - Holy Smoke
<http://www.holysmoke-movie.co.uk/> - With or Without You
<synopsis/oldnewborrowedblue.cfm> - Elephant Juice
<synopsis/elephant.cfm> - Vigo - A Passion for Life - The Lost Son
<synopsis/thelostson.cfm> - Croupier - Food of Love - Janice Beard 45
wpm <synopsis/janice.cfm> - Gregory's Two Girls <synopsis/gregorys.cfm>
- A Price Above Rubies <synopsis/apriceaboverubies.cfm> - Last Night
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/last_night/index.cfm> -
East is East <synopsis/east.cfm> - Buena Vista Social Club
<synopsis/buena.cfm> - Beautiful People - The War Zone
<synopsis/thewarzone.cfm> - Straight Story
<synopsis/thestraightstory.cfm> - Dogma <synopsis/dogma.cfm> - Hold Back
the Night - The Debt Collector <synopsis/thedebt.cfm> - The Red Violin
<synopsis/redviolin.cfm> - Prometheus <synopsis/prometheus.cfm> -
Solomon and Gaenor <synopsis/soloman.cfm> - Orphans
<synopsis/orphans.cfm> - Hilary and Jackie <synopsis/hilary.cfm> - The
Acid House
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/acid_house/acid_frame.cfm
> - The Boys <synopsis/theboys.cfm> - Dancing at Lughnasa
<synopsis/dancing.cfm> - My Name is Joe
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/my_name_is_joe/joe_frame.
cfm> - Elizabeth <synopsis/elizabeth.cfm> - Velvet Goldmine
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/velvet_goldmine/velvet_fr
ame.cfm> - Babymother
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/babymother/baby_frame.cfm
> - Land Girls <synopsis/thelandgirls.cfm> - Martha Meet Frank, Daniel
and Laurence - Winter Guest - The Disappearance of Finbar - Crimetime -
Secrets and Lies - Carla's Song - Brassed Off - A Life Less Ordinary -
Downtime - Bent - Welcome to Sarajevo - Slab Boys - Career Girls - The
Truce - Jump the Gun - The Woodlanders - A Further Gesture - Portraits
Chinois - The Gambler - Food of Love - Fever Pitch - True Blue - Trojan
Eddie - Walking and Talking - The Proprietor - Remember Me - A Midsummer
Nights Dream - Trainspotting - Le Confessional - Nothing Personal - Kama
Sutra - Alive and Kicking - Hollow Reed - Gullivers Travels - No Worries
- Naked - Beautiful Thing - Kieslowski's Colour Blue, White and Red -
American Buffalo - Vanya on 42nd Street - Safe - This Boys Story -
Postcards From America - The Pillow Book - Oleanna - The Neon Bible -
The Madness of King George - Frankie Starlight - Death and the Maiden -
Blue Juice - Shopping - Shallow Grave - Sister My Sister - Ladybird
Ladybird - Institute Benjamenta - Four Weddings and a Funeral - Backbeat
- Amateur - A Pin for the Butterfly - Closing Numbers - The Baby of
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Subject: [2][MV] Alternate title for The beast must die
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:25:05 +0000

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

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Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

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Richard Benjamin
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I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

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Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

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Richard Benjamin
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Precision :

The film is known either as :

"The beast must die" or "This man must die"

Here's a link to a favorable lil' capsule review ... Leonard Maltin also
rates it at 3.5/4 and calls it one
of Claude Chabrol's best films.

http://onfilm.chireader.com/MovieCaps/T/TH/08277_THIS_MAN_MUST_DIE.html

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Subject: [3][MV] The best must die - 1969 - 3.5/5
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:45:02 +0000

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Hi !

I watched this french film tonight : "Que la bete meure" also available
with
english subtitles under the title : "The beast must die" (1969)

It's a film directed by one of my favorite french directors, Claude
Chabrol
... I love many of his twisted tales often involving murders and
double-crossings ...

The story is fairly simple ... we see a young boy around 8 years old
walking
home and just as he is crossing an intersection, a Ford Mustang appears
and
hits him ... the driver is acting like a maniac and doesn't even stop,
just
keeps on going, a hit-and-run ...

The story then focuses on the father (Well played by Michel Duchaussoy)
who
swears that he will get the bastard who killed his son ... he doesn't
care
if it takes months or even years but he will find whoever is responsible.

The police doesn't help much saying they have already done everything
they
could but have little to work with, so he does his own little
investigation
and tries to find clues to find out the type of car that was used, where
it
could possibly have been repaired, the type of damage it would have had
...
etc.

All this is done in a very intelligent and restrained way that could
possibly seem boring to some people who are more used to wild action
films
... but it's a nice change of pace in my opinion !

The man writes his thoughts and the progress of his investigation in a
journal and we hear him in voice overs describing what he is thinking of
and
especially what he will do to the person who killed his son (He wants to
torture that person for several hours basically until he/she dies in
horrible pain ...)

After a while he finds some intriguing clues and this leads to a young
french actress that could possibly be involved, (Caroline Cellier is
amazing
in this film !) so he pretends to fall in love with her in order to find
out
more ...

He needs to be sure of course before going ahead with his revenge scheme
...
he has to take his time of course as he can't just ask her point blank
"Did
you kill a little boy by hitting him with your car in january of this
year
??" ... he has to look for more clues to find out if she is involved or
not
... or maybe if it's someone close to her that is ...

This is a very good film that I recommend.  Good dialogues, acting,
cinematography ... and the story
is of course very interesting.

3.5/5

Marc     ;o)

" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
"Halloween" - 1978










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Subject: [3][MV] Alternate title for The beast must die
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:45:03 +0000

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source,
Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
Sheffield
S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source,
Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
Sheffield
S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source,
Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
Sheffield
S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]


Precision :

The film is known either as :

"The beast must die" or "This man must die"

Here's a link to a favorable lil' capsule review ... Leonard Maltin also
rates it at 3.5/4 and calls it one
of Claude Chabrol's best films.

http://onfilm.chireader.com/MovieCaps/T/TH/08277_THIS_MAN_MUST_DIE.html

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Richard Benjamin
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Richard Benjamin
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    I recently subscribed to Film-Four, the production house linked
to the U.K.#'s Channel 4 television station, and it got me thinking
about the great films they have given us, take a look at the following
list, and I'm sure you'll all agree that a lot of these films are sheer
quality, yep there are also some real stinkers, but mainly they produce
excellent films.

MARK
FILMS RELEASED since 1982 Gangster No.1  - Simon Magus - Down To You <=
synopsis/downtoyou.cfm> -
The Filth and the Fury <synopsis/filthandfury.cfm> - Ghost Dog
<http://www.ghostdog.co.uk/> - Holy Smoke
<http://www.holysmoke-movie.co.uk/> - With or Without You
<synopsis/oldnewborrowedblue.cfm> - Elephant Juice
<synopsis/elephant.cfm> - Vigo - A Passion for Life - The Lost Son
<synopsis/thelostson.cfm> - Croupier - Food of Love - Janice Beard 45
wpm <synopsis/janice.cfm> - Gregory's Two Girls <synopsis/gregorys.cfm>
- A Price Above Rubies <synopsis/apriceaboverubies.cfm> - Last Night
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/last_night/index.cfm> -
East is East <synopsis/east.cfm> - Buena Vista Social Club
<synopsis/buena.cfm> - Beautiful People - The War Zone
<synopsis/thewarzone.cfm> - Straight Story
<synopsis/thestraightstory.cfm> - Dogma <synopsis/dogma.cfm> - Hold Back
the Night - The Debt Collector <synopsis/thedebt.cfm> - The Red Violin
<synopsis/redviolin.cfm> - Prometheus <synopsis/prometheus.cfm> -
Solomon and Gaenor <synopsis/soloman.cfm> - Orphans
<synopsis/orphans.cfm> - Hilary and Jackie <synopsis/hilary.cfm> - The
Acid House
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/acid_house/acid_frame.cfm
> - The Boys <synopsis/theboys.cfm> - Dancing at Lughnasa
<synopsis/dancing.cfm> - My Name is Joe
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/my_name_is_joe/joe_frame.
cfm> - Elizabeth <synopsis/elizabeth.cfm> - Velvet Goldmine
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/velvet_goldmine/velvet_fr
ame.cfm> - Babymother
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/babymother/baby_frame.cfm
> - Land Girls <synopsis/thelandgirls.cfm> - Martha Meet Frank, Daniel
and Laurence - Winter Guest - The Disappearance of Finbar - Crimetime -
Secrets and Lies - Carla's Song - Brassed Off - A Life Less Ordinary -
Downtime - Bent - Welcome to Sarajevo - Slab Boys - Career Girls - The
Truce - Jump the Gun - The Woodlanders - A Further Gesture - Portraits
Chinois - The Gambler - Food of Love - Fever Pitch - True Blue - Trojan
Eddie - Walking and Talking - The Proprietor - Remember Me - A Midsummer
Nights Dream - Trainspotting - Le Confessional - Nothing Personal - Kama
Sutra - Alive and Kicking - Hollow Reed - Gullivers Travels - No Worries
- Naked - Beautiful Thing - Kieslowski's Colour Blue, White and Red -
American Buffalo - Vanya on 42nd Street - Safe - This Boys Story -
Postcards From America - The Pillow Book - Oleanna - The Neon Bible -
The Madness of King George - Frankie Starlight - Death and the Maiden -
Blue Juice - Shopping - Shallow Grave - Sister My Sister - Ladybird
Ladybird - Institute Benjamenta - Four Weddings and a Funeral - Backbeat
- Amateur - A Pin for the Butterfly - Closing Numbers - The Baby of
Macon - Simple Men - Secret Rapture - Raining Stones - Peter's Friends -
Riff Raff - Prosperos Books - My Crazy Life - Friends - Damage - Bad
Behaviour - Bhaji on the Beach - Wild West - Waterland - The Crying Game
- Lucky Village - Shuttlecock - Secret Friends - Othello - Long Day
Closes - London Kills Me - Into the West - Howards End - God on the
Rocks - Dust Devil - Drop Dead Fred - Bye Bye Baby - Best Intentions -
Blonde Fist - Young Soul Rebels - Waiting - Trust - The Miracle - The
Fool - The Bridge - The Arc - Sam and Me - One Man's War - Life is Sweet
- In Custody - I Hired a Contract Killer - Hear My Song - Diplomatic
Immunity - Dakota Road - Close My Eyes - Child of the South - Ballad of
Sad Caf=E9 - Wild Flowers - The White Room - The Final Frame - The Dive -
The Children - Speaking Parts - Smack and Thistle - Shooting Stars -
Paper Mask - Fools of Fortune - Dr M - December Bride - Conquest of the
South Pole - Bearskin - 1871 - Vroom - Venus Peter - Tree of Hands - The
Nature of the Beast - Streets of Yesterday - Strapless - Queen of Hearts
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You - Sour Sweet - Resurrected - Reefer and the Model - Pascali's Island
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Remain - Ladder of Swords - Joyriders - Hope and Glory - High Hopes -
Distant Voices, Still Lives - A World Apart - Wish You Were Here - The
Kitchen Toto - The First Kangaroos - The Dressmaker - The Deceivers -
The Dead - The Belly of an Architect - Stormy Monday - Sammy and Rosie
Get Laid - Rita, Sue and Bob Too - Prick up Your Ears - Playing Away -
Maurice - Maschenka - Hotel du Paradis - High Season - Hidden City -
Good Morning Babylon - Empire State - Drowning By Numbers - Crime Pays -
Another Country - American Roulette - A Month in the Country - A
Gathering of Old Men - Fatherland - The Good Father - Ping Pong - A Zed
and Two Noughts - Letters to an Unknown Lover - Born of Fire - My
Beautiful Laundrette - Comrades - Letter to Brezhnev - Billy the Kid and
the Green Baize Vampire - Carravaggio - Mona Lisa - No Surrender - Lamb
- Heavenly Pursuits - Christmas Present - Eat the Peach - Good and Bad
at Games - A Private Function - Cal - Winter Flight - Parker - A Room
with a View - The Assam Garden - Summer Lightning - Restless Natives - A
Song for Europe - Wetherby - Sacred Hearts - The Chain - She'll Be
Wearing Pink Pyjamas - Shady - Dance with a Stranger - Forever Young -
Success is the Best Revenge - Singleton's Pluck - The Company of Wolves
- Acceptable Levels - Heat and Dust - Arthur's Hallowed Ground -
Insignificance - The Innocent - El Norte - Paris Texas - Flight to
Berlin - Outcasts - The Last Day of Summer - Runners - Loose Connections
- Reflections - The Country Girls - In the White City - Squaring the
Circle - Sharma and Beyond - A Flame to Phoenix - Meantime - Those
Glory, Glory Days - Another Time, Another Place - The Ploughman's Lunch
- The Bad Sister - Red Monarch - Nelly's Version - Living Apart Together
- Walter and June - Accounts - I'll Fares the Land - Secrets -
Moonlighting - Hero - Bad Hats - Giro City - Praying Mantis -
Remembrance - The Draughtsmans Contract - Angel - Experience Preferred
But Not Essential - The Disappearance of Harry - P'Tang Yang Kipperbang
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From: RICHARD BENJAMIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: [4][MV] The best must die - 1969 - 3.5/5
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:54:14 +0000

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
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The Source,
Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
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S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

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Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
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The Source,
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S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

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Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source,
Westbrook Court
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S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
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Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

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Richard Benjamin
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Hi !

I watched this french film tonight : "Que la bete meure" also available
with
english subtitles under the title : "The beast must die" (1969)

It's a film directed by one of my favorite french directors, Claude
Chabrol
... I love many of his twisted tales often involving murders and
double-crossings ...

The story is fairly simple ... we see a young boy around 8 years old
walking
home and just as he is crossing an intersection, a Ford Mustang appears
and
hits him ... the driver is acting like a maniac and doesn't even stop,
just
keeps on going, a hit-and-run ...

The story then focuses on the father (Well played by Michel Duchaussoy)
who
swears that he will get the bastard who killed his son ... he doesn't
care
if it takes months or even years but he will find whoever is responsible.

The police doesn't help much saying they have already done everything
they
could but have little to work with, so he does his own little
investigation
and tries to find clues to find out the type of car that was used, where
it
could possibly have been repaired, the type of damage it would have had
...
etc.

All this is done in a very intelligent and restrained way that could
possibly seem boring to some people who are more used to wild action
films
... but it's a nice change of pace in my opinion !

The man writes his thoughts and the progress of his investigation in a
journal and we hear him in voice overs describing what he is thinking of
and
especially what he will do to the person who killed his son (He wants to
torture that person for several hours basically until he/she dies in
horrible pain ...)

After a while he finds some intriguing clues and this leads to a young
french actress that could possibly be involved, (Caroline Cellier is
amazing
in this film !) so he pretends to fall in love with her in order to find
out
more ...

He needs to be sure of course before going ahead with his revenge scheme
...
he has to take his time of course as he can't just ask her point blank
"Did
you kill a little boy by hitting him with your car in january of this
year
??" ... he has to look for more clues to find out if she is involved or
not
... or maybe if it's someone close to her that is ...

This is a very good film that I recommend.  Good dialogues, acting,
cinematography ... and the story
is of course very interesting.

3.5/5

Marc     ;o)

" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
"Halloween" - 1978










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From: RICHARD BENJAMIN <[e-mail]>
Subject: [4][MV] Alternate title for The beast must die
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:54:15 +0000

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

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Richard Benjamin
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The Source,
Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
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S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

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Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source,
Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
Sheffield
S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source,
Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
Sheffield
S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
ISDN:[phone]

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

In my absense please contact Kim Bleasdale ([e-mail]) or
Lisa McGrath ([e-mail]).

Regards

Richard Benjamin
Account Director

The Source,
Westbrook Court
Sharrowvale Road
Sheffield
S11 8YZ

Tel: [phone]
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Precision :

The film is known either as :

"The beast must die" or "This man must die"

Here's a link to a favorable lil' capsule review ... Leonard Maltin also
rates it at 3.5/4 and calls it one
of Claude Chabrol's best films.

http://onfilm.chireader.com/MovieCaps/T/TH/08277_THIS_MAN_MUST_DIE.html

Marc  ;o)
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Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:54:15 +0000

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    I recently subscribed to Film-Four, the production house linked
to the U.K.#'s Channel 4 television station, and it got me thinking
about the great films they have given us, take a look at the following
list, and I'm sure you'll all agree that a lot of these films are sheer
quality, yep there are also some real stinkers, but mainly they produce
excellent films.

MARK
FILMS RELEASED since 1982 Gangster No.1  - Simon Magus - Down To You <=
synopsis/downtoyou.cfm> -
The Filth and the Fury <synopsis/filthandfury.cfm> - Ghost Dog
<http://www.ghostdog.co.uk/> - Holy Smoke
<http://www.holysmoke-movie.co.uk/> - With or Without You
<synopsis/oldnewborrowedblue.cfm> - Elephant Juice
<synopsis/elephant.cfm> - Vigo - A Passion for Life - The Lost Son
<synopsis/thelostson.cfm> - Croupier - Food of Love - Janice Beard 45
wpm <synopsis/janice.cfm> - Gregory's Two Girls <synopsis/gregorys.cfm>
- A Price Above Rubies <synopsis/apriceaboverubies.cfm> - Last Night
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/last_night/index.cfm> -
East is East <synopsis/east.cfm> - Buena Vista Social Club
<synopsis/buena.cfm> - Beautiful People - The War Zone
<synopsis/thewarzone.cfm> - Straight Story
<synopsis/thestraightstory.cfm> - Dogma <synopsis/dogma.cfm> - Hold Back
the Night - The Debt Collector <synopsis/thedebt.cfm> - The Red Violin
<synopsis/redviolin.cfm> - Prometheus <synopsis/prometheus.cfm> -
Solomon and Gaenor <synopsis/soloman.cfm> - Orphans
<synopsis/orphans.cfm> - Hilary and Jackie <synopsis/hilary.cfm> - The
Acid House
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/acid_house/acid_frame.cfm
> - The Boys <synopsis/theboys.cfm> - Dancing at Lughnasa
<synopsis/dancing.cfm> - My Name is Joe
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/my_name_is_joe/joe_frame.
cfm> - Elizabeth <synopsis/elizabeth.cfm> - Velvet Goldmine
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/velvet_goldmine/velvet_fr
ame.cfm> - Babymother
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/babymother/baby_frame.cfm
> - Land Girls <synopsis/thelandgirls.cfm> - Martha Meet Frank, Daniel
and Laurence - Winter Guest - The Disappearance of Finbar - Crimetime -
Secrets and Lies - Carla's Song - Brassed Off - A Life Less Ordinary -
Downtime - Bent - Welcome to Sarajevo - Slab Boys - Career Girls - The
Truce - Jump the Gun - The Woodlanders - A Further Gesture - Portraits
Chinois - The Gambler - Food of Love - Fever Pitch - True Blue - Trojan
Eddie - Walking and Talking - The Proprietor - Remember Me - A Midsummer
Nights Dream - Trainspotting - Le Confessional - Nothing Personal - Kama
Sutra - Alive and Kicking - Hollow Reed - Gullivers Travels - No Worries
- Naked - Beautiful Thing - Kieslowski's Colour Blue, White and Red -
American Buffalo - Vanya on 42nd Street - Safe - This Boys Story -
Postcards From America - The Pillow Book - Oleanna - The Neon Bible -
The Madness of King George - Frankie Starlight - Death and the Maiden -
Blue Juice - Shopping - Shallow Grave - Sister My Sister - Ladybird
Ladybird - Institute Benjamenta - Four Weddings and a Funeral - Backbeat
- Amateur - A Pin for the Butterfly - Closing Numbers - The Baby of
Macon - Simple Men - Secret Rapture - Raining Stones - Peter's Friends -
Riff Raff - Prosperos Books - My Crazy Life - Friends - Damage - Bad
Behaviour - Bhaji on the Beach - Wild West - Waterland - The Crying Game
- Lucky Village - Shuttlecock - Secret Friends - Othello - Long Day
Closes - London Kills Me - Into the West - Howards End - God on the
Rocks - Dust Devil - Drop Dead Fred - Bye Bye Baby - Best Intentions -
Blonde Fist - Young Soul Rebels - Waiting - Trust - The Miracle - The
Fool - The Bridge - The Arc - Sam and Me - One Man's War - Life is Sweet
- In Custody - I Hired a Contract Killer - Hear My Song - Diplomatic
Immunity - Dakota Road - Close My Eyes - Child of the South - Ballad of
Sad Caf=E9 - Wild Flowers - The White Room - The Final Frame - The Dive -
The Children - Speaking Parts - Smack and Thistle - Shooting Stars -
Paper Mask - Fools of Fortune - Dr M - December Bride - Conquest of the
South Pole - Bearskin - 1871 - Vroom - Venus Peter - Tree of Hands - The
Nature of the Beast - Streets of Yesterday - Strapless - Queen of Hearts
- In Fading Light - Diamond Skulls - Angry Earth - We Think the World of
You - Sour Sweet - Resurrected - Reefer and the Model - Pascali's Island
- Paris by Night - On the Black Hill - Nanou - Milk and Honey - Leave to
Remain - Ladder of Swords - Joyriders - Hope and Glory - High Hopes -
Distant Voices, Still Lives - A World Apart - Wish You Were Here - The
Kitchen Toto - The First Kangaroos - The Dressmaker - The Deceivers -
The Dead - The Belly of an Architect - Stormy Monday - Sammy and Rosie
Get Laid - Rita, Sue and Bob Too - Prick up Your Ears - Playing Away -
Maurice - Maschenka - Hotel du Paradis - High Season - Hidden City -
Good Morning Babylon - Empire State - Drowning By Numbers - Crime Pays -
Another Country - American Roulette - A Month in the Country - A
Gathering of Old Men - Fatherland - The Good Father - Ping Pong - A Zed
and Two Noughts - Letters to an Unknown Lover - Born of Fire - My
Beautiful Laundrette - Comrades - Letter to Brezhnev - Billy the Kid and
the Green Baize Vampire - Carravaggio - Mona Lisa - No Surrender - Lamb
- Heavenly Pursuits - Christmas Present - Eat the Peach - Good and Bad
at Games - A Private Function - Cal - Winter Flight - Parker - A Room
with a View - The Assam Garden - Summer Lightning - Restless Natives - A
Song for Europe - Wetherby - Sacred Hearts - The Chain - She'll Be
Wearing Pink Pyjamas - Shady - Dance with a Stranger - Forever Young -
Success is the Best Revenge - Singleton's Pluck - The Company of Wolves
- Acceptable Levels - Heat and Dust - Arthur's Hallowed Ground -
Insignificance - The Innocent - El Norte - Paris Texas - Flight to
Berlin - Outcasts - The Last Day of Summer - Runners - Loose Connections
- Reflections - The Country Girls - In the White City - Squaring the
Circle - Sharma and Beyond - A Flame to Phoenix - Meantime - Those
Glory, Glory Days - Another Time, Another Place - The Ploughman's Lunch
- The Bad Sister - Red Monarch - Nelly's Version - Living Apart Together
- Walter and June - Accounts - I'll Fares the Land - Secrets -
Moonlighting - Hero - Bad Hats - Giro City - Praying Mantis -
Remembrance - The Draughtsmans Contract - Angel - Experience Preferred
But Not Essential - The Disappearance of Harry - P'Tang Yang Kipperbang
- Walter


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Subject: [5][MV] The best must die - 1969 - 3.5/5
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:56:40 +0000

I am now out of the office until Thursday 16th November.

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Richard Benjamin
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Hi !

I watched this french film tonight : "Que la bete meure" also available
with
english subtitles under the title : "The beast must die" (1969)

It's a film directed by one of my favorite french directors, Claude
Chabrol
... I love many of his twisted tales often involving murders and
double-crossings ...

The story is fairly simple ... we see a young boy around 8 years old
walking
home and just as he is crossing an intersection, a Ford Mustang appears
and
hits him ... the driver is acting like a maniac and doesn't even stop,
just
keeps on going, a hit-and-run ...

The story then focuses on the father (Well played by Michel Duchaussoy)
who
swears that he will get the bastard who killed his son ... he doesn't
care
if it takes months or even years but he will find whoever is responsible.

The police doesn't help much saying they have already done everything
they
could but have little to work with, so he does his own little
investigation
and tries to find clues to find out the type of car that was used, where
it
could possibly have been repaired, the type of damage it would have had
...
etc.

All this is done in a very intelligent and restrained way that could
possibly seem boring to some people who are more used to wild action
films
... but it's a nice change of pace in my opinion !

The man writes his thoughts and the progress of his investigation in a
journal and we hear him in voice overs describing what he is thinking of
and
especially what he will do to the person who killed his son (He wants to
torture that person for several hours basically until he/she dies in
horrible pain ...)

After a while he finds some intriguing clues and this leads to a young
french actress that could possibly be involved, (Caroline Cellier is
amazing
in this film !) so he pretends to fall in love with her in order to find
out
more ...

He needs to be sure of course before going ahead with his revenge scheme
...
he has to take his time of course as he can't just ask her point blank
"Did
you kill a little boy by hitting him with your car in january of this
year
??" ... he has to look for more clues to find out if she is involved or
not
... or maybe if it's someone close to her that is ...

This is a very good film that I recommend.  Good dialogues, acting,
cinematography ... and the story
is of course very interesting.

3.5/5

Marc     ;o)

" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
"Halloween" - 1978










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Subject: [5][MV] Alternate title for The beast must die
Date: 08 Nov 2000 15:56:40 +0000

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Precision :

The film is known either as :

"The beast must die" or "This man must die"

Here's a link to a favorable lil' capsule review ... Leonard Maltin also
rates it at 3.5/4 and calls it one
of Claude Chabrol's best films.

http://onfilm.chireader.com/MovieCaps/T/TH/08277_THIS_MAN_MUST_DIE.html

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Subject: RE: [4][MV] Flm Four
Date: 08 Nov 2000 08:35:12 -0800

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Arrrrghhhh. I hate out of office replies!

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    I recently subscribed to Film-Four, the production house linked
to the U.K.#'s Channel 4 television station, and it got me thinking
about the great films they have given us, take a look at the following
list, and I'm sure you'll all agree that a lot of these films are sheer
quality, yep there are also some real stinkers, but mainly they produce
excellent films.

MARK
FILMS RELEASED since 1982 Gangster No.1  - Simon Magus - Down To You
<synopsis/downtoyou.cfm> -
The Filth and the Fury <synopsis/filthandfury.cfm> - Ghost Dog
<http://www.ghostdog.co.uk/> - Holy Smoke
<http://www.holysmoke-movie.co.uk/> - With or Without You
<synopsis/oldnewborrowedblue.cfm> - Elephant Juice
<synopsis/elephant.cfm> - Vigo - A Passion for Life - The Lost Son
<synopsis/thelostson.cfm> - Croupier - Food of Love - Janice Beard 45
wpm <synopsis/janice.cfm> - Gregory's Two Girls <synopsis/gregorys.cfm>
- A Price Above Rubies <synopsis/apriceaboverubies.cfm> - Last Night
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/last_night/index.cfm> -
East is East <synopsis/east.cfm> - Buena Vista Social Club
<synopsis/buena.cfm> - Beautiful People - The War Zone
<synopsis/thewarzone.cfm> - Straight Story
<synopsis/thestraightstory.cfm> - Dogma <synopsis/dogma.cfm> - Hold Back
the Night - The Debt Collector <synopsis/thedebt.cfm> - The Red Violin
<synopsis/redviolin.cfm> - Prometheus <synopsis/prometheus.cfm> -
Solomon and Gaenor <synopsis/soloman.cfm> - Orphans
<synopsis/orphans.cfm> - Hilary and Jackie <synopsis/hilary.cfm> - The
Acid House
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/acid_house/acid_frame.cfm
> - The Boys <synopsis/theboys.cfm> - Dancing at Lughnasa
<synopsis/dancing.cfm> - My Name is Joe
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/my_name_is_joe/joe_frame.
cfm> - Elizabeth <synopsis/elizabeth.cfm> - Velvet Goldmine
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/velvet_goldmine/velvet_fr
ame.cfm> - Babymother
<http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/babymother/baby_frame.cfm
> - Land Girls <synopsis/thelandgirls.cfm> - Martha Meet Frank, Daniel
and Laurence - Winter Guest - The Disappearance of Finbar - Crimetime -
Secrets and Lies - Carla's Song - Brassed Off - A Life Less Ordinary -
Downtime - Bent - Welcome to Sarajevo - Slab Boys - Career Girls - The
Truce - Jump the Gun - The Woodlanders - A Further Gesture - Portraits
Chinois - The Gambler - Food of Love - Fever Pitch - True Blue - Trojan
Eddie - Walking and Talking - The Proprietor - Remember Me - A Midsummer
Nights Dream - Trainspotting - Le Confessional - Nothing Personal - Kama
Sutra - Alive and Kicking - Hollow Reed - Gullivers Travels - No Worries
- Naked - Beautiful Thing - Kieslowski's Colour Blue, White and Red -
American Buffalo - Vanya on 42nd Street - Safe - This Boys Story -
Postcards From America - The Pillow Book - Oleanna - The Neon Bible -
The Madness of King George - Frankie Starlight - Death and the Maiden -
Blue Juice - Shopping - Shallow Grave - Sister My Sister - Ladybird
Ladybird - Institute Benjamenta - Four Weddings and a Funeral - Backbeat
- Amateur - A Pin for the Butterfly - Closing Numbers - The Baby of
Macon - Simple Men - Secret Rapture - Raining Stones - Peter's Friends -
Riff Raff - Prosperos Books - My Crazy Life - Friends - Damage - Bad
Behaviour - Bhaji on the Beach - Wild West - Waterland - The Crying Game
- Lucky Village - Shuttlecock - Secret Friends - Othello - Long Day
Closes - London Kills Me - Into the West - Howards End - God on the
Rocks - Dust Devil - Drop Dead Fred - Bye Bye Baby - Best Intentions -
Blonde Fist - Young Soul Rebels - Waiting - Trust - The Miracle - The
Fool - The Bridge - The Arc - Sam and Me - One Man's War - Life is Sweet
- In Custody - I Hired a Contract Killer - Hear My Song - Diplomatic
Immunity - Dakota Road - Close My Eyes - Child of the South - Ballad of
Sad CafΘ - Wild Flowers - The White Room - The Final Frame - The Dive -
The Children - Speaking Parts - Smack and Thistle - Shooting Stars -
Paper Mask - Fools of Fortune - Dr M - December Bride - Conquest of the
South Pole - Bearskin - 1871 - Vroom - Venus Peter - Tree of Hands - The
Nature of the Beast - Streets of Yesterday - Strapless - Queen of Hearts
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You - Sour Sweet - Resurrected - Reefer and the Model - Pascali's Island
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Distant Voices, Still Lives - A World Apart - Wish You Were Here - The
Kitchen Toto - The First Kangaroos - The Dressmaker - The Deceivers -
The Dead - The Belly of an Architect - Stormy Monday - Sammy and Rosie
Get Laid - Rita, Sue and Bob Too - Prick up Your Ears - Playing Away -
Maurice - Maschenka - Hotel du Paradis - High Season - Hidden City -
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Another Country - American Roulette - A Month in the Country - A
Gathering of Old Men - Fatherland - The Good Father - Ping Pong - A Zed
and Two Noughts - Letters to an Unknown Lover - Born of Fire - My
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the Green Baize Vampire - Carravaggio - Mona Lisa - No Surrender - Lamb
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at Games - A Private Function - Cal - Winter Flight - Parker - A Room
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Wearing Pink Pyjamas - Shady - Dance with a Stranger - Forever Young -
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Berlin - Outcasts - The Last Day of Summer - Runners - Loose Connections
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Date: 8/11/00 9:31 am</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: [e-mail]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: MARK</FONT>
<BR>        <FONT SIZE=3D2>I =
recently subscribed to Film-Four, the production house linked</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>to the U.K.#'s Channel 4 television station, and it =
got me thinking</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>about the great films they have given us, take a =
look at the following</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>list, and I'm sure you'll all agree that a lot of =
these films are sheer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>quality, yep there are also some real stinkers, but =
mainly they produce</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>excellent films.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>MARK</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>FILMS RELEASED since 1982 Gangster No.1  - =
Simon Magus - Down To You <synopsis/downtoyou.cfm> -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The Filth and the Fury =
<synopsis/filthandfury.cfm> - Ghost Dog</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><<A HREF=3D"http://www.ghostdog.co.uk/" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.ghostdog.co.uk/</A>> - Holy =
Smoke</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><<A HREF=3D"http://www.holysmoke-movie.co.uk/" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.holysmoke-movie.co.uk/</A>> - With or =
Without You</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><synopsis/oldnewborrowedblue.cfm> - Elephant =
Juice</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><synopsis/elephant.cfm> - Vigo - A Passion for =
Life - The Lost Son</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><synopsis/thelostson.cfm> - Croupier - Food of =
Love - Janice Beard 45</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>wpm <synopsis/janice.cfm> - Gregory's Two =
Girls <synopsis/gregorys.cfm></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- A Price Above Rubies =
<synopsis/apriceaboverubies.cfm> - Last Night</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/last_night/index.c=
fm" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/last_nig=
ht/index.cfm</A>> -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>East is East <synopsis/east.cfm> - Buena Vista =
Social Club</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><synopsis/buena.cfm> - Beautiful People - The =
War Zone</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><synopsis/thewarzone.cfm> - Straight =
Story</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><synopsis/thestraightstory.cfm> - Dogma =
<synopsis/dogma.cfm> - Hold Back</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the Night - The Debt Collector =
<synopsis/thedebt.cfm> - The Red Violin</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><synopsis/redviolin.cfm> - Prometheus =
<synopsis/prometheus.cfm> -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Solomon and Gaenor <synopsis/soloman.cfm> - =
Orphans</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><synopsis/orphans.cfm> - Hilary and Jackie =
<synopsis/hilary.cfm> - The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Acid House</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/acid_house/acid_fr=
ame.cfm" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/acid_hou=
se/acid_frame.cfm</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> - The Boys <synopsis/theboys.cfm> - =
Dancing at Lughnasa</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><synopsis/dancing.cfm> - My Name is Joe</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/my_name_is_joe/joe=
_frame" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/my_name_=
is_joe/joe_frame</A>.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>cfm> - Elizabeth <synopsis/elizabeth.cfm> - =
Velvet Goldmine</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/velvet_goldmine/ve=
lvet_fr" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/velvet_g=
oldmine/velvet_fr</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ame.cfm> - Babymother</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/babymother/baby_fr=
ame.cfm" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.filmfour.com/filmfour_data/modules/babymoth=
er/baby_frame.cfm</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> - Land Girls <synopsis/thelandgirls.cfm> =
- Martha Meet Frank, Daniel</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and Laurence - Winter Guest - The Disappearance of =
Finbar - Crimetime -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Secrets and Lies - Carla's Song - Brassed Off - A =
Life Less Ordinary -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Downtime - Bent - Welcome to Sarajevo - Slab Boys - =
Career Girls - The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Truce - Jump the Gun - The Woodlanders - A Further =
Gesture - Portraits</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Chinois - The Gambler - Food of Love - Fever Pitch - =
True Blue - Trojan</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Eddie - Walking and Talking - The Proprietor - =
Remember Me - A Midsummer</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Nights Dream - Trainspotting - Le Confessional - =
Nothing Personal - Kama</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sutra - Alive and Kicking - Hollow Reed - Gullivers =
Travels - No Worries</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Naked - Beautiful Thing - Kieslowski's Colour =
Blue, White and Red -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>American Buffalo - Vanya on 42nd Street - Safe - =
This Boys Story -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Postcards From America - The Pillow Book - Oleanna - =
The Neon Bible -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The Madness of King George - Frankie Starlight - =
Death and the Maiden -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Blue Juice - Shopping - Shallow Grave - Sister My =
Sister - Ladybird</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ladybird - Institute Benjamenta - Four Weddings and =
a Funeral - Backbeat</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Amateur - A Pin for the Butterfly - Closing =
Numbers - The Baby of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Macon - Simple Men - Secret Rapture - Raining Stones =
- Peter's Friends -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Riff Raff - Prosperos Books - My Crazy Life - =
Friends - Damage - Bad</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Behaviour - Bhaji on the Beach - Wild West - =
Waterland - The Crying Game</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Lucky Village - Shuttlecock - Secret Friends - =
Othello - Long Day</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Closes - London Kills Me - Into the West - Howards =
End - God on the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Rocks - Dust Devil - Drop Dead Fred - Bye Bye Baby - =
Best Intentions -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Blonde Fist - Young Soul Rebels - Waiting - Trust - =
The Miracle - The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Fool - The Bridge - The Arc - Sam and Me - One Man's =
War - Life is Sweet</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- In Custody - I Hired a Contract Killer - Hear My =
Song - Diplomatic</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Immunity - Dakota Road - Close My Eyes - Child of =
the South - Ballad of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sad Caf=E9 - Wild Flowers - The White Room - The =
Final Frame - The Dive -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The Children - Speaking Parts - Smack and Thistle - =
Shooting Stars -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Paper Mask - Fools of Fortune - Dr M - December =
Bride - Conquest of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>South Pole - Bearskin - 1871 - Vroom - Venus Peter - =
Tree of Hands - The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Nature of the Beast - Streets of Yesterday - =
Strapless - Queen of Hearts</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- In Fading Light - Diamond Skulls - Angry Earth - =
We Think the World of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>You - Sour Sweet - Resurrected - Reefer and the =
Model - Pascali's Island</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Paris by Night - On the Black Hill - Nanou - Milk =
and Honey - Leave to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Remain - Ladder of Swords - Joyriders - Hope and =
Glory - High Hopes -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Distant Voices, Still Lives - A World Apart - Wish =
You Were Here - The</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Kitchen Toto - The First Kangaroos - The Dressmaker =
- The Deceivers -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>The Dead - The Belly of an Architect - Stormy Monday =
- Sammy and Rosie</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Get Laid - Rita, Sue and Bob Too - Prick up Your =
Ears - Playing Away -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Maurice - Maschenka - Hotel du Paradis - High Season =
- Hidden City -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Good Morning Babylon - Empire State - Drowning By =
Numbers - Crime Pays -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Another Country - American Roulette - A Month in the =
Country - A</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Gathering of Old Men - Fatherland - The Good Father =
- Ping Pong - A Zed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and Two Noughts - Letters to an Unknown Lover - Born =
of Fire - My</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Beautiful Laundrette - Comrades - Letter to Brezhnev =
- Billy the Kid and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the Green Baize Vampire - Carravaggio - Mona Lisa - =
No Surrender - Lamb</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Heavenly Pursuits - Christmas Present - Eat the =
Peach - Good and Bad</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>at Games - A Private Function - Cal - Winter Flight =
- Parker - A Room</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>with a View - The Assam Garden - Summer Lightning - =
Restless Natives - A</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Song for Europe - Wetherby - Sacred Hearts - The =
Chain - She'll Be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Wearing Pink Pyjamas - Shady - Dance with a Stranger =
- Forever Young -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Success is the Best Revenge - Singleton's Pluck - =
The Company of Wolves</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Acceptable Levels - Heat and Dust - Arthur's =
Hallowed Ground -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Insignificance - The Innocent - El Norte - Paris =
Texas - Flight to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Berlin - Outcasts - The Last Day of Summer - Runners =
- Loose Connections</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Reflections - The Country Girls - In the White =
City - Squaring the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Circle - Sharma and Beyond - A Flame to Phoenix - =
Meantime - Those</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Glory, Glory Days - Another Time, Another Place - =
The Ploughman's Lunch</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- The Bad Sister - Red Monarch - Nelly's Version - =
Living Apart Together</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Walter and June - Accounts - I'll Fares the Land - =
Secrets -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Moonlighting - Hero - Bad Hats - Giro City - Praying =
Mantis -</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Remembrance - The Draughtsmans Contract - Angel - =
Experience Preferred</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>But Not Essential - The Disappearance of Harry - =
P'Tang Yang Kipperbang</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Walter</FONT>
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Subject: [MV] Charlie's Angels
Date: 08 Nov 2000 18:09:51 EST

Did anyone here see Charlie's Angels? What did you like or dislike about it?

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Subject: [MV] Indy 20th?
Date: 09 Nov 2000 00:06:08 EST


Adding comments to yours, Midphase !

It's quite a coincidence that you mention this movie since I saw it again
just 2 days ago ... I was in the mood for that one as I had not seen it in
maybe 5 or 6 years. (I would say I have seen the film about 8 times in all)

... Still a 4.5/5 in my opinion !  It's like a rollercoaster ride ... all
those action scenes
packed in a movie that doesn't even last 2 hours ...
phew ! Plenty of memorable moments as well, it's a
modern classic !

Harrison Ford is great in this role too, lots of funny dialogues, great
stunts, nasty snakes and the story is very intriguing even on repeated
viewings.

The Indiana Jones films are all very entertaining and I have rated all 3
films at 4/5 or more ...

Raiders of the lost ark - 1981 - 4.5/5
The temple of doom - 1984 - 4/5
The last crusade - 1991 (?) - 4/5

So this is among my favorite series of all times for sure along with the 2
Terminator films, the Alien films (Except for the awful "Alien resurrection"
of course !!) etc. etc.

I haven't heard of it being released again though ... would be a good idea,
why not ! ... Especially since they are now working on the 4th film !

Marc  ;o)


Anyone heard any info of a possible theatrical re-release of Raiders of the
Lost Ark in the year 2001 to celebrate its 20th anniversary?

Are they going to wait until the 25th?  How about a DVD release?

Midphase

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From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: Charlie's Angels
Date: 09 Nov 2000 12:44:00 -0700

> Did anyone here see Charlie's Angels?

Yes.  Quite easily the worst film I've seen this year.

> What did you like or dislike about it?

I disliked everything about the film except for Crispin Glover.

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Subject: [MV] Don't resurrect this ALIEN !!
Date: 09 Nov 2000 14:56:35 EST


***** Adding comments to yours, Codrin !     Marc  ;o)

Codrin wrote :

And about all those yacky monsters *Alien 4* is the only one merely
watchable,cos',for once,Sigourney was allowed to do some acting job,the
visual effects were ok and the wise cracking was there too.  Here I come to
mess your day :-).    Codrin


***** Yes ! You were doing **great** but then you had to add this obviously
BIZARRE comment !!  ;o)   Alien resurrection is a 2/5 film in my opinion and
that is very low considering I loved all the other films in the series and
Sigourney Weaver is one of my favorite actresses too.

- Alien - 1979 - 4.5/5
- Aliens - 1986 - 5/5
- Alien 3 - 1992 - 3.5/5
- Alien resurrection - 1997 - 2/5

Nearly all the Alien fans out there would agree with me that this Alien
resurrection was terrible ... boring story, bad acting, so-so action scenes,
a few good special effects at least ... mixing comedy with action (crippled
guy strapped on the back of the taller fellow and shooting, Weaver playing
basketball, someone shoot me, please, this is awful !!) ludicrous ending ...

I remember this was a movie I was really looking forward to and then being
very disappointed ... it's basically Aliens escaping and then running
around, very repetitive, nothing original or interesting ... I am probably
generous with a 2/5 ... 1.5/5 seems more appropriate ...

J-Pierre Jeunet, the director was not used to making action films so why
give him a huge budget and pick him to make this one, he doesn't know what
he is doing half the time, plus he has to work with all those frenchies in
the cast cos' they were in some of his previous films and he has a hard on
for them, pleeeeease !

I heard he couldn't even speak in english on the set, barely knew a few
words so it was kind of hard to direct scenes I suppose ... he was too
"artsy-fancy" to make this type of film in my opinion ... ruined the series
of course, they are not talking about another Alien film if I am correct ??

Marc



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From:  "umfalkce <[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] H*lp!
Date: 09 Nov 2000 17:29:14 -0700

Greetings movie people.  I have been very busy at school, but I am still on the
list.  I was talking to my Sociology professor, and he told me I could get
brownie points if I could name a movie.
I have spent 2 weeks on IMDB with no luck.  I don't know any of the actors or
the title.  This is what I do know.....
-It was made some time in the late70's early 80's
-A group of select people were chosed(and paid well if they lasted) to live in a
nuclear bunker.
-during their stay, thru various radio feeds, they were led to believe that the
nuclear holocaust had infact taken place, and they were the only ones left
alive.
-the reason they finally had to stop the experiment was that the young
model(black woman) in the group had hid herself away and slashed her wrists.
-there was a general of an army running the experiment.
-I do remember the end when the mother of the young boy came out of the shelter
and slugged the general.
PLEASE  HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS DRIVING ME INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not only have I  checked the imdb, I have also phoned all videostores in a 100
mile radius!
Thank you guys in advance,
Christi


"Scully........I love you"
Fox Mulder
Triangle


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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Favorite comedies
Date: 10 Nov 2000 13:00:38 EST



Hi !

The other day I was asking about your favorite "Emotional movies" .. but
what about those comedies ??

I like "dark" comedies often ... I listed some of my favorites below :

- Fargo - 1996
- One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1977

- My cousin Vinny - 1992
- Citizen Ruth - 1996
- Living in oblivion - 1995
- Kingpin - 1996
- Being John Malkovich - 1999

- Election - 1999
- Waiting for Guffman - 1996
- Pecker - 1998
- The breakfast club - 1985
- The daytrippers - 1997
- The naked gun - 1988

- Go - 1999
- Stakeout - 1987
- Freeway - 1995
- No - 1998 (in french !)
- Pleasantville - 1998
- Howard Stern's private parts - 1997

- Honeymoon in Vegas - 1992
- Muriel's wedding - 1994  (from the land of OZ)
- Planes, trains and automobiles - 1988
- Elvis Gratton - 1985 (in french !)
- Swingers - 1996
- Crumb - 1994

- What about Bob ? - 1991
- Get shorty - 1995

- Three o'clock high - 1987 (guilty pleasure film !)
Anyone heard of it ??  ;o)

- The castle - 1997 (Those aussies doing it again !)
Love the scene where they "walk home" from the airport !

- SLC punk ! - 1999  (Am I the only one who likes this ?)
- The acid house - 1998

Some of these films may not be viewed by some people as being "comedies"
though ... like "Fargo" "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" "Freeway" etc. ...
But it shows the type of comedies I like most of the times ... films that
also have some "serious" moments in them ...

Have a fine day !

Marc




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From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: Favorite comedies
Date: 10 Nov 2000 11:52:00 -0700

> The other day I was asking about your favorite "Emotional movies"
> .. but what about those comedies ??

Here's my list of "Top 14" favorites, in no particular order:

SAFETY LAST
CITY LIGHTS
DUCK SOUP
IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT
SOME LIKE IT HOT
YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN
ANNIE HALL
A SHOT IN THE DARK
QUICK CHANGE
DR. STRANGELOVE
LAVENDER HILL MOB
AFTER HOURS
MONTY PYTHON'S LIFE OF BRIAN
THIS IS SPINAL TAP

I managed not to have a single hit from Marc's list, although I like a lot of
his favorites:

> - Fargo - 1996
> - One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1977

Great movies, but I don't really consider them full-blown "comedies"
(especially CUCKOO'S NEST).  Ditto something like AMERICAN BEAUTY which is
sort of a "Dramatic Comedy."  I've tried to limit my list to films whose
primary goal is to make the viewer laugh.

> - My cousin Vinny - 1992

This movie was much funnier than I expected.  One of those rare comedies where
the trailers did NOT show all of the funniest scenes.

> - Citizen Ruth - 1996

I haven't seen this, but I liked ELECTION quite a bit (from the same guy), so
it might be worth my while.

> - Being John Malkovich - 1999

Great film all-around.

> - Election - 1999

As already indicated, I liked this one quite a bit.

> - Waiting for Guffman - 1996

Funny stuff!  Have you seen BEST IN SHOW yet?  It's also hilarious.

> - Pecker - 1998

Great little film.  One of Waters' funniest.

> - The breakfast club - 1985

The older I get, the stupider I realize this movie actually is.

> - The naked gun - 1988

This one is okay, but not nearly as funny as the television program that
inspired it ("Police Squad").

> - Go - 1999

I like GO, but I'm not sure if I'd consider it a "comedy"...

> - Stakeout - 1987

This movie was ultimately forgettable.

> - Pleasantville - 1998

Good flick, but not a comedy.

> - Howard Stern's private parts - 1997

Better than I (or just about anybody else) expected.

> - Honeymoon in Vegas - 1992

Good, but not great.

> - Muriel's wedding - 1994  (from the land of OZ)
> - Planes, trains and automobiles - 1988
> - Swingers - 1996

Some more hilarious films that just didn't quite make my "favorites" list,
even though I like them all quite a bit.

> - Crumb - 1994
> - What about Bob ? - 1991

I hated both of these films with a passion.

> - Get shorty - 1995

Amusing, but not as good as some other recent Leonard adaptations.

> - Three o'clock high - 1987 (guilty pleasure film !)
> Anyone heard of it ??  ;o)

I remember this one.  I saw it when it came out, but I didn't care for it too
much then, even though I was in the target audience.  A western for teens, I
guess.

> - SLC punk ! - 1999  (Am I the only one who likes this ?)

I haven't seen it, even though I live in SLC.  Oops.

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From: "David F. Nolan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Favorite comedies
Date: 10 Nov 2000 11:16:36 -0800

My Top 10 (in alphabetical order).........

Brazil
Groundhog Day
The Mask (1994)
Monty Python's Life of Brian
Phantom of the Paradise
Raising Arizona
The Raven (1963)
Sleeper
Wayne's World
Young Frankenstein







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From: Diane Christy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Favorite comedies
Date: 10 Nov 2000 13:32:24 -0500

At 11:16 AM -0800 11/10/00, David F. Nolan wrote:
>Groundhog Day

this is one of my favorite all-time movies!!  I think it's one of the
most brilliant movies I've ever seen!
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Subject: RE: [MV] Favorite comedies
Date: 10 Nov 2000 13:45:47 -0600

Phantom of Paradise scared the hell out of me when I was a teenager.
The record press, the metal teeth gulping down all those pills!

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My Top 10 (in alphabetical order).........

Brazil
Groundhog Day
The Mask (1994)
Monty Python's Life of Brian
Phantom of the Paradise
Raising Arizona
The Raven (1963)
Sleeper
Wayne's World
Young Frankenstein







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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] American tragedy - 2000
Date: 11 Nov 2000 12:03:53 EST


Ok, who plans to watch this Tv mini-series on CBS ??

"American tragedy" about the real life murder case ...
OJ Simpson on trial for murdering his ex-wife and her "boyfriend" ...
Normally I try to stay away from TV movies but this one sounds intriguing,
especially since Ving Rhames is in it as Johnnie Cochran, OJ's flashy
lawyer.

I also followed closely the trial when it was going on
(I was watching quite a bit of NFL football in the early to mid 1990's so I
knew OJ as a sport commentator and appreciated his antics too ... looked
like a nice
fellow !)

Of course the trial made me change my mind ... phew !
Evidence pointing towards his guilt but his "slick lawyers" had a few aces
up their sleeves ... Having fun questioning the LAPD cops ...

I bet they were LOVING IT, making them look like fools
in front of everybody ! (Best line ever by a defense attorney : "If it
doesn't fit, you must ACQUIT !!")
Not a lot of suspence of course because we know how it will end but I expect
it to be good !

First part :  Sunday night : 9pm on CBS  (EST)
Second part : Wednesday night : 9pm on CBS  (EST)

Have a fine day !

Marc   ;o)
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Subject: [MV] Unhappy moviegoers ...
Date: 12 Nov 2000 01:02:32 EST


Hi !

Interesting article in the newspaper yesterday morning concerning moviegoers
that are rather unhappy these days due to the poor quality of the films that
are
presented ...

Source : "La Presse" newspaper, nov. 11th 2000.


"A succession of bad films ..."

"Bad films are more numerous these days on the movie screens in the United
States.  Since the beginning of summer, this trend seems to have been
developing slowly but surely and is now continuing.  The box office numbers
are still impressive and are even higher than the usual for this time of the
year but a good number of moviegoers are nevertheless unhappy with the
quality of the films that they see ..."

"Meet the parents should have only been a marginal success according to Art
Rockwell, who is analyzing the box office numbers of all the new releases
for Rockwell capital Management.  That movie being such a huge success
indicates that there weren't many other choices for the moviegoers.  People
wanted to go to the movies no matter what."

"More people than ever are complaining and saying that more bad films are
being produced though, especially these past few months.  Movies like Dr. T
and the women, Lost souls and Lucky numbers have been mentioned often as
being dead ducks."

"According to Oliver Oberle, president of www.showbizdata.com, a company
that evaluates the box office performances of all the new movies released,
this situation is worrying.  Since Spring, Scary movie was the only film
that was a really huge hit and it wasn't even a good film."

"The following movies are among the most disappointing :
Book of shadows, Blair Witch 2 that was released for Halloween is probably
the #1 title according to Rockwell."

"Everybody in Hollywood was expecting this film to take in at least 30M$
during the first week-end and it only made 13M$ behind an "old" film (Meet
the parents) that was already in its 4th week in theaters.  The horror movie
audience had already read plenty of negative comments on the internet and
seen the trailer that
wasn't very appealing."

"Almost famous from Cameron Crowe (Jerry Maguire) only made around 30 M$
during its 7 week run.  This was a film that everyone said would be a hit
says Oberle, but to have good box office numbers, making a good film is not
the most important thing.  You have to release the movie at the most
appropriate time and have a good marketing campaign. Audiences also weren't
very interested because the movie was set in the early '70s."

"Pay it forward was certainly expected to do more.  Haley Joel Osment and
Kevin Spacey wanted to make the world a better place but seats in the movie
theaters presenting the film were often empty.  This one wanted to be like
American beauty but the results are rather disappointing so far.  It only
made 19M$ the first two weeks despite big stars and a good storyline."

"The political thriller The contender that was supposed to be a hit both at
the box office and at the next Oscars' show attracted few moviegoers despite
the fact it was a quality film.  14M$ in 3 weeks, so it certainly won't be
anywhere near what I was wishing for says Martin Grove from the Hollywood
reporter online.  The public had enough of the real political campaign going
on perhaps and was annoyed by the serious look of the film."

"Some stars are also to blame according to the experts.  John Travolta made
two bad films back-to-back, Battlefield Earth and Lucky Numbers.  Wynona
Ryder did a little better but not much with Autumn in New York and Lost
souls. Richard Gere is in trouble with Autumn in New York and Dr. T and the
women and Sylvester Stallone's Get Carter was out of the movie theaters
swiftly."

"At least Charlie's angels is making good money now and this will be the
film that will finally replace Meet the parents as the king of the box
office for the moment."


Have a fine day !

Marc     ;o)

" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
"Halloween" - 1978










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From: Dexter Sy <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Unhappy moviegoers ...
Date: 11 Nov 2000 22:30:25 -0800

Interesting article Marc.  I agree on the whole, but I'd like to ask you which
perspective the article was written on?  La Presse seems to suggest a Spanish
newspaper, so correct me if I'm Wrong.   My experience with the foreign press is
that they tend to be a little to eager to point out weaknesses in what they see
as the American dominated industry.   Some well deserved, some not. But knowing
the context in which the article is written will put things in a better
perspective.

As for bad quality of films, I think its not really the quality, but the subject
matter.  Science Fiction, Fantasy,  War films, horror and comedy excite movie
goers these days and we've gotten several mediocre comedy and horror films this
year, with only two war films.  the Patriot, which isn't really a war film and
Gladiator, a surprise hit to be sure.  The science fiction category is also
pretty weak with your run of the mill cloning movies and movies about Mars.

Next summer should be interesting with Final Fantasy , Tomb Raider and Jurrasic
Park III crowding the summer movie market.  Also note Final Fantasy and Tomb
Raider are based on popular videogame franchises.  There's also Spielberg's
latest science fiction heavyweight, Aritificial Intelligence (A.I.).  Come
December, the first installment of theLord of the Rings hits theatres followed
up by Star Wars Episode II in may of 2002.    Lots of big names and I think its
going to be a banner years for the industry in 2001 and 2002.

The 2000 movie season is really due to the strange coincidence that most of the
studio  titles that would have excited the public were either pushed back or
slated to appear in 2001 and 2002.

Dexter



Marc Desbiens wrote:

> Hi !
>
> Interesting article in the newspaper yesterday morning concerning moviegoers
> that are rather unhappy these days due to the poor quality of the films that
> are
> presented ...
>
> Source : "La Presse" newspaper, nov. 11th 2000.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> "A succession of bad films ..."
>
> "Bad films are more numerous these days on the movie screens in the United
> States.  Since the beginning of summer, this trend seems to have been
> developing slowly but surely and is now continuing.  The box office numbers
> are still impressive and are even higher than the usual for this time of the
> year but a good number of moviegoers are nevertheless unhappy with the
> quality of the films that they see ..."
>
> "Meet the parents should have only been a marginal success according to Art
> Rockwell, who is analyzing the box office numbers of all the new releases
> for Rockwell capital Management.  That movie being such a huge success
> indicates that there weren't many other choices for the moviegoers.  People
> wanted to go to the movies no matter what."
>
> "More people than ever are complaining and saying that more bad films are
> being produced though, especially these past few months.  Movies like Dr. T
> and the women, Lost souls and Lucky numbers have been mentioned often as
> being dead ducks."
>
> "According to Oliver Oberle, president of www.showbizdata.com, a company
> that evaluates the box office performances of all the new movies released,
> this situation is worrying.  Since Spring, Scary movie was the only film
> that was a really huge hit and it wasn't even a good film."
>
> "The following movies are among the most disappointing :
> Book of shadows, Blair Witch 2 that was released for Halloween is probably
> the #1 title according to Rockwell."
>
> "Everybody in Hollywood was expecting this film to take in at least 30M$
> during the first week-end and it only made 13M$ behind an "old" film (Meet
> the parents) that was already in its 4th week in theaters.  The horror movie
> audience had already read plenty of negative comments on the internet and
> seen the trailer that
> wasn't very appealing."
>
> "Almost famous from Cameron Crowe (Jerry Maguire) only made around 30 M$
> during its 7 week run.  This was a film that everyone said would be a hit
> says Oberle, but to have good box office numbers, making a good film is not
> the most important thing.  You have to release the movie at the most
> appropriate time and have a good marketing campaign. Audiences also weren't
> very interested because the movie was set in the early '70s."
>
> "Pay it forward was certainly expected to do more.  Haley Joel Osment and
> Kevin Spacey wanted to make the world a better place but seats in the movie
> theaters presenting the film were often empty.  This one wanted to be like
> American beauty but the results are rather disappointing so far.  It only
> made 19M$ the first two weeks despite big stars and a good storyline."
>
> "The political thriller The contender that was supposed to be a hit both at
> the box office and at the next Oscars' show attracted few moviegoers despite
> the fact it was a quality film.  14M$ in 3 weeks, so it certainly won't be
> anywhere near what I was wishing for says Martin Grove from the Hollywood
> reporter online.  The public had enough of the real political campaign going
> on perhaps and was annoyed by the serious look of the film."
>
> "Some stars are also to blame according to the experts.  John Travolta made
> two bad films back-to-back, Battlefield Earth and Lucky Numbers.  Wynona
> Ryder did a little better but not much with Autumn in New York and Lost
> souls. Richard Gere is in trouble with Autumn in New York and Dr. T and the
> women and Sylvester Stallone's Get Carter was out of the movie theaters
> swiftly."
>
> "At least Charlie's angels is making good money now and this will be the
> film that will finally replace Meet the parents as the king of the box
> office for the moment."
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> Have a fine day !
>
> Marc     ;o)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> " I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
> pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
> the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
> reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
> him locked up for I realized what was living behind
> that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "
>
> Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
> "Halloween" - 1978
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From: Garrett Winters <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] RE: Blair Witch - original ?
Date: 12 Nov 2000 23:23:46 +0000

on 30/10/2000 16:27, ("Paul D  Richardson") at [e-mail]
wrote:

>> How can you make something COMPLETELY different and original
>> these days ??
>
> It seems that nobody is trying very hard.  99.9% of all films are fairly
> unoriginal.  Occasionally, a film like BEING JOHN MALKOVICH comes along and
> tries to up the ante, but the film industry generally makes things that are
> already "tried and true."  Originality is simply not a value in filmmaking
> (and it never really has been).
>
> As for BLAIR WITCH PROJECT, it may not be "original," but it is different than
> most of the films out there...and that is saying something.  In fact, the
> predicted on-slaught of "Blair Witch" take-offs is still yet to come, except
> in the form of parody shorts.


I know what you mean about originality in movies and it is hard to do. one
recent film that I feel is very original was "Ravenous", I rewatched it last
night and it is just soooo cool, and also something that would be hard to
equal for originality in both story and music score.
I also enjoyed Being J.M for the same reasons, it was different, a seemingly
fresh idea but ultimately it seemed a bit lopsided. the whole love triangle
thing got a bit tedious and the movie could have been so much more IMO.
Garrett


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From: Garrett Winters <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] H*lp!
Date: 12 Nov 2000 23:37:11 +0000

on 10/11/2000 0:29, umfalkce <[e-mail]> at
[e-mail] wrote:

> Greetings movie people.  I have been very busy at school, but I am still on
> the
> list.  I was talking to my Sociology professor, and he told me I could get
> brownie points if I could name a movie.
> I have spent 2 weeks on IMDB with no luck.  I don't know any of the actors or
> the title.  This is what I do know.....
> -It was made some time in the late70's early 80's
> -A group of select people were chosed(and paid well if they lasted) to live in
> a
> nuclear bunker.
> -during their stay, thru various radio feeds, they were led to believe that
> the
> nuclear holocaust had infact taken place, and they were the only ones left
> alive.


well for a start you have described a current series episode of "the outer
limits". as for a movie it sounds familiar though, just can't place it.
Garrett


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From: "Mark Dainty" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Fight Club
Date: 13 Nov 2000 13:15:27 -0000

I watched "Fight Club" for the third time over the weekend.  This film is
truly one of the most important films of the 20th Century.  It is unique in
the fact that it speaks intelligently to our masculine side.  Too many films
rely on us getting in touch with our feminine side, and there aren't enough
that challenge us the other way.  Most films become too macho and forget the
fact the men, as well as women, need to feel like men every now and again,
and that we do have a train of thought outside mindless violence.

I would be interested to find out any female reactions to the film.  I'm not
aiming to stereotype, or be chauvinistic here, I just feel that the film has
a lot more to say about today's male society than a group of people beating
the crap out of each other.

MARK


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From: "Mark Dainty" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Favorite comedies
Date: 13 Nov 2000 13:10:49 -0000

You are all missing one of the all time greats - nope, I'm not talking about
Chaplin, The Stooges or Harold Llloyd, nor am I talking about Robin
Williams, Eddie Murphy or Adam Sandler. I, of course, am talking about Steve
Martins' Meisterwerk  "The Jerk"  If this film don't make you wet your pants
then you need a head transplant.

MARK
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Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 6:00 PM


>
>
> Hi !
>
> The other day I was asking about your favorite "Emotional movies" .. but
> what about those comedies ??
>
> I like "dark" comedies often ... I listed some of my favorites below :
>
> - Fargo - 1996
> - One flew over the cuckoo's nest - 1977
>
> - My cousin Vinny - 1992
> - Citizen Ruth - 1996
> - Living in oblivion - 1995
> - Kingpin - 1996
> - Being John Malkovich - 1999
>
> - Election - 1999
> - Waiting for Guffman - 1996
> - Pecker - 1998
> - The breakfast club - 1985
> - The daytrippers - 1997
> - The naked gun - 1988
>
> - Go - 1999
> - Stakeout - 1987
> - Freeway - 1995
> - No - 1998 (in french !)
> - Pleasantville - 1998
> - Howard Stern's private parts - 1997
>
> - Honeymoon in Vegas - 1992
> - Muriel's wedding - 1994  (from the land of OZ)
> - Planes, trains and automobiles - 1988
> - Elvis Gratton - 1985 (in french !)
> - Swingers - 1996
> - Crumb - 1994
>
> - What about Bob ? - 1991
> - Get shorty - 1995
>
> - Three o'clock high - 1987 (guilty pleasure film !)
> Anyone heard of it ??  ;o)
>
> - The castle - 1997 (Those aussies doing it again !)
> Love the scene where they "walk home" from the airport !
>
> - SLC punk ! - 1999  (Am I the only one who likes this ?)
> - The acid house - 1998
>
> Some of these films may not be viewed by some people as being "comedies"
> though ... like "Fargo" "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" "Freeway" etc.
...
> But it shows the type of comedies I like most of the times ... films that
> also have some "serious" moments in them ...
>
> Have a fine day !
>
> Marc
>
>
>
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From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: Unhappy moviegoers ...
Date: 13 Nov 2000 09:10:00 -0700

> Interesting article in the newspaper yesterday morning concerning
> moviegoers that are rather unhappy these days due to the poor
> quality of the films that are presented ...

Thanks for the article...interesting read.  Personally, I'm tired of people
who keep complaining about the quality of this years films, yet they only
restrict themselves to mainstream films.  If they'd only go to an arthouse
every once in a while, they'd find a crop of good movies, as the independent
scene this year has been better than average.

I'm reminded of an old joke:

PATIENT: Doctor, it hurts when I do this!
DOCTOR: Well, don't do that!

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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Wedding in blood - 1973
Date: 14 Nov 2000 15:58:42 EST


Hi !

This was a very good french film made by one of my favorite french
director's : Claude Chabrol. ("The beast must die" - 1969, I talked about
recently, was also made by him !)

"Les noces rouges" is also available with english subtitles as "Wedding in
blood" and as is often the
case with Chabrol's films, it tells a fairly simple yet intriguing story
involving murder !

A middle-aged man (Michel Piccoli) is married and having an affair with a
younger woman (Stephanie Audran is certainly lovely !) who is also married
to a sleazy politician (Claude Pieplu) who happens to be Piccoli's boss ...

Piccoli's wife is ill and doesn't want to do anything all day long except
lay down in bed and sleep ... so he is able to sneak out of the house easily
and meet with Audran who is doing the same, except her husband is not ill
but away on business ... This goes on for a while and there are some funny
scenes as they almost get "caught" a few times ... including once when they
are making love being some bushes and children are fishing on the nearby
lake ... They are a bit naughty (**and** loving it !)
;o)

Soon they start to think they would be better off if both of their spouses
were out of the picture, Piccoli's wife is ill and weak and Audran's husband
is boring and goes to bed at 8pm and never wants to make love to her anyway
(The reason she is having an affair in the first place !) ...

They think they would be able to meet more easily and be together all the
time ... so they make up this plan to get rid of each other's spouse and not
be bothered by the coppers of course ...

I was reminded a little of "Double indemnity" in part except here they are
not doing this for the money but because they want to be together ...

Good acting, dialogues, camera work ... I was also thinking of some
Hitchcock films in part ... "Vertigo" comes to mind (except I think this one
is better ...)
;o)

The last line said by Piccoli is also DISTURBING ... gotta love a film that
ends with a "Bang" like that !

3.5/5 overall, I can't go higher due to the first half hour of the film that
is a bit slow but if you stick with it, it gets better and better along the
way ...

Marc     ;o)

" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
"Halloween" - 1978













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From: "Mark Dainty" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] MEMENTO (2000) 4.5/5
Date: 16 Nov 2000 10:59:32 -0000

Don't know what's happening out there in movie-land, but of late those of us
in blighty have been getting some fairly decent films released waaaayyyyyy
before you's guys.  First we had "Snatch" (british film so understandable),
then we had "O Brother Where Art Thou?" (definitely in my top 5 films of the
year).  Now, however, we have a film that will settle nicely in my top 3 of
the year - Christopher Nolan's "MEMENTO".

I'm sure that quite a few of you already know the plot, but for those of you
who don't I'll give you a basic run-down, hopefully spoiler free.

Guy Pearce (LA Confidential, Rules of Engagement), is an ex-insurance
investigator by the name of Leonard, who is on a quest to find the guy that
killed his wife.  However, due to a head injury to him whilst the attack was
taking place, he doesn't have the ability to form new memories, he can only
remember what happened before the "incident".  His memory now consists only
of minutes.  To aid him he takes polaroids of anyone and everything that he
feels at the time he may need to remember.  These include "associates", his
car, the hotel where he stays, etc...you get the picture.  Also he tatoos
vital information regarding the pursuit of his wifes killer on his body.
Now these ain't spoilers - just basic plot facts.

The film itself unravels in a backwards narrative, that is interspersed with
cut scenes of him telling his story to someone on the phone.  This works in
an excellent way, as the first segment of the film is actually the final
scene.  This backwards narrative means that you as a viewer suffer the same
kind of short term memory loss as Leonard, we have no idea why he is doing
what he is doing, just as he has no idea.

Leonard's previous job as an insurance investigator brought him into contact
with a guy who suffered the same condition, one Sammy Jankis.  As Leonard
met Sammy Jankis before the incident he can remember everything about him,
and his condition (or maybe????), and therefore this gives Leonard a reason
to be organised about the things that are important to him.

Guy Pearce - it's hard to believe that this guy (no pun intended) found his
footing on the Aussie daytime soap "Neighbours" (yes it IS spelled with a
"U").  Our first real glimpse of him outside the soap world was in the very
fine "Priscilla queen of the desert", then of course in "LA  Confidential"
which he basically carried, along with fellow Aussie Russell Crowe.  After
that we had "Ravenous" with Robert Carlysle, and more recently "Rules of
Engagement".  He is turning out to be an extremely accomplished and
versatile young actor, and he is dead-on perfect for this role.
Underplaying it to perfection.

The rest of the cast are also very good.  The "Matrix" connection begins
with Guy Pearce, who starred with Hugo "Agent Smith" Weaving in "Priscilla",
it continues with Joe "cypher" Pantoliano, as "friend" Teddy, and Carrie-Ann
"Trinity" Moss as the strange Natalie.  Essentially it is a three part
player, but it really is the strength of Guy Pearce that makes this movie
work.

As for Christopher Nolan, I think that this may be his first film, and it is
also based on a short story that he wrote.  The direction is confident, and
certainly brave in pulling off the backwards-narrative - it really does
work, I know I keep harping on about it, but given Leonard's condition, it's
the only way it could have been filmed.

It's one of those films that you watch and you think that you have
everything, then......well, you start to think about it a little bit more,
and it makes you think about it a little bit more.  It may seem like there
are loose ends, but trust me, think about it enough and everything ties up.

And the ending (which if the film was played forward would be the
beginning) - KICK ASS is all I'm gonna say!!!!!!!

I know you guys in the States have to wait until March 1st next year to see
this, but my advice is check out the festival circuits and see if it is
playing, because trust me - this is one film you don't want to miss.

Til next time

MARK DAINTY




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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Red Planet & Orange Crush
Date: 17 Nov 2000 17:44:16 EST


Hey Scott,  good review !  You are confirming my suspicions that this was a
bad film, just like Mission
to Mars ... thanks !!

I just bought a 2L bottle of Orange Crush (That delicious soft drink !) and
it says on the bottle that I would have a 1$ rebate to go see Red planet if
I brought the lil' platic "thingy" under the cap to any movie theater
presenting the film ...

That's rather "ace", no ??   You think I should change my mind ??  ;o)

I also went to the video store and found "An affair of love" you talked
about recently ... I shall rent it
soon ...

Have a fine day !

Marc  ;o)



 >  RED PLANET

 >       Some genre films tease you with the prospect that they can be
 >  something more substantial before degenerating into stupidity and
cliche.

 >  RED PLANET at least does viewers the courtesy of not wasting their time
 >  with such futile hopes. In the opening minutes, Mars Mission Commander
 >  Bowman (Carrie-Anne Moss) provides a voice-over neatly summarizing the
 >  premise before launching into capsule characterizations of her
crewmates.

 >  That co-pilot Santen (Benjamin Bratt), he sure is a hot-head, which
 >  undoubtedly will play a significant role in his ultimate fate. And that
 >  scientist Burchenal (Tom Sizemore), he sure has an ego, which
undoubtedly
 >  will create some sort of character tension down the road.
 >
 >       Dim-wittedness in Hollywood action films is only to be expected at
 >  this point in cinema history. Vaguely pretentious dim-wittedness is
pretty
 >  inexcusable. RED PLANET sends a six-person crew to Mars in 2057 to find
 >  out what has happened to oxygen-producing algae sent by earth scientists
 >  as part of a colonization plan. You see, earth has become nearly
 >  uninhabitable due to environmental degradation, and our only hope of
 >  survival is creating a survivable atmosphere elsewhere, but something
has
 >  gone screwy because oxygen readings have suddenly dropped. The mission
 >  team is ready to investigate when a freak radiation burst damages their
 >  vessel, forcing an emergency evacuation of all personnel but Bowman. The
 >  landing vehicle is damaged on impact, leaving the surviving crew members
 >  -- including dashing chief engineer Gallagher (Val Kilmer) -- to figure
 >  out a way to get back home.
 >
 >       At certain points in RED PLANET, you can't help but wonder why
anyone
 >  wasted time on a back story at all. Though the very survival of the
human
 >  race is theoretically at stake, the film seems interested in that point
 >  only to the extent that it can be included in press notes, in absurd
 >  declarations like, "It's a smart movie that posits the question, what if
 >  man fails to do the things necessary to live on earth?" In fact, RED
 >  PLANET resolutely refuses to deal with anything beyond the basic goals
of
 >  its characters to find a way back to earth. Why does no one in the
 >  stranded party refer to being thirsty or hungry after going without food
 >  and water for more than a day? How would the people on earth be
responding
 >  to the apparent failure of this crucial mission? What exactly was the
 >  reason that no one could detect any oxygen, when it turns out there's a
 >  whole lot of it around? And why flirt with the notion that there's some
 >  intelligence bent on thwarting the terraforming effort, only to make the
 >  real villain of the piece the crew's resident malfunctioning evil robot?
 >
 >       Silly questions, of course, since RED PLANET is kind enough to
alert
 >  you so quickly to its minimalist intentions. The characters spout
dialogue
 >  that alternates between inane exposition and pointless
 >  self-characterization. "I'm a scientist, but I'm really interested in
 >  philosophy," says philosophically-interested scientist Chantilas
(Terence
 >  Stamp), though not in so many words. "We're sexually attracted to one
 >  another, so I hope neither one of us dies," say Bowman and Gallagher,
 >  though not in so many words. "I sure wish it didn't take 40 minutes for
 >  you to answer," says Bowman after sending a radio message to earth,
 >  actually in so many words, just to let us know the writers knew at least
 >  one science fact. It's a wonderful irony in RED PLANET that it places so
 >  much weight on the fate of these six characters, only to make them
utterly
 >  weightless as actual characters.
 >
 >       At odd intervals, something happens to slap the film out of its
 >  oxygen-deprived stupor. Most of them involve Moss, whose strong presence
 >  occasionally tricks you into thinking the film is better than it is. One
 >  involves a great shot of the Mars lander taking a tumble for which it
 >  certainly wasn't designed. And, sadly, many others involve the pleasure
of
 >  watching one or another of the annoying characters meet an untimely
 >  demise. As directed by rookie feature director Antony Hoffman, this is a
 >  lame special effects-driven action film that can't even be bothered to
 >  provide a handful of visceral thrills. Lacking big-time action
excitement,
 >  competent story-telling or any desire to prevent you from walking out
 >  scratching deep trenches into your head, RED PLANET is simply a
 >  planet-sized waste of time. But at least it only wastes a few minutes of
 >  your time before making that obvious.

Scott
 >
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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] Sleepy Hollow, a family film ??
Date: 17 Nov 2000 23:20:31 EST


*** You must be delusional Alexis, Sleepy Hollow is not a comedy and it is
certainly not a family film ... all those people being beheaded, a scary
headless horseman roaming the countryside on his dark horse, grim and dark
atmosphere throughout ...

Infants watching this film would have nightmares for sure ... This is a Tim
Burton film and he is not in the habit of making "family films" ... Even The
nightmare before Christmas, his stop and go animated film is pretty weird
and would most likely frighten some "miniatures" ... bizarre stuff going on,
that "stick" figure going crazy, weirdos dancing and chanting ...  etc.

Sleepy Hollow was a very good movie but far from a comedy or family oriented
(even if there aren't too many sexually explicit scenes, there is plenty of
gory stuff not appropriate for kids as I said !) ... 3.5/5 ... Anybody else
has COMMENTS about this ??

G'day to everyonnnne !

Marc  ;o)


I think sleepy hollow was great if you look at it as a comedy.It wasn't much
of a horror movie but still it was great plus its a movie you can sit with
the family since it lacks all the sexual content that movies have become
specially horror. I have the DVD version and I think its just a great one.

Alexis
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Subject: [MV] Hitler's lost sub - 2000
Date: 18 Nov 2000 01:48:00 EST



**Minor spoilers**

Hi !

I just watched this incredibly good documentary.

It will surely make it in my Top 10 favorite films of 2000 and maybe even
the Top 5 ... 4.5/5 is my score and since it lasts nearly 2 hours I have no
problems including it in such a list.  It lasts longer than
a lot of fictional films ...

It begins in 1991 as we meet a group of divers who found
a damaged submarine at the bottom of the ocean, 230 feet deep, about 60
milles off the US coast, near New Jersey.
A fisherman's net is the reason it was discovered purely by accident ...

They determine it is a german submarine from World War II, a "Type-9" U-Boat
as they were called (Short for "Underwater Boat" in case you didn't know !)
;o)

The problem is the US and Germany have no records of a german sub being
there at all when the war ended ... so the divers have their mind set on
identifying this "lost sub" and determining which one of the 1,100 U-Boats
it was and what it was doing there where it wasn't supposed to be in the
first place ...

This leads to a lot of highly intriguing material for anyone who is
interested in deep see diving adventures of course ... plenty of footage
shot at the bottom of the ocean, even inside the actual sub as the divers
try to get in deeper and deeper all the time despite the numerous obstacles
and the poor visibility so they can find something that could help them
identifying the
U-Boat.

Lots of graphics as well, showing us what the divers are doing (Kind of like
the computer animated graphics at the beginning of "Titanic") ... This made
it very easy to understand what was going on as it could have been a bit
confusing otherwise.

Diving at those depths is extremely dangerous too (Divers have to surface
slowly but surely to avoid major decompression problems, air bubbles forming
in their blood, etc.) and 3 divers actually lose their lives in FREAK
accidents during the 6 years it takes the group to finally identify the
boat.  The are gathering all sorts of tiny clues before finally reaching
their goal, risking their lives to find out ...

Plenty of stock footage from World War II about the history of the U-Boats
(This made me want to see "Das Boot" again !) and how submarines were
developed, torpedoes, radar systems ... what the Allies were doing to
prevent the german subs from sinking their ships and how they were
destroying them using depth charges and airplanes ... this is quality stuff
indeed !

The icing on the cake is when they meet some of the relatives of the german
soldiers who died inside that submarine and they tell them the truth.  They
didn't die near the coast of Morocco as they had believed all their lives
(Everyone thought that particular sub had been hit near Morocco just a
couple of weeks before the war ended, quite a bit of confusion !) but that
they were near the coast of New Jersey ... touching moments learning about
the men who died and their families !

4.5/5, highly recommended.

I saw this on PBS (Nova : Hitler's lost sub) so they will probably present
it again sometimes ... A link below if you want to read a bit more about
this excellent documentary (Some spoilers there too but it's a really good
site and you can find out when they will present it again !)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostsub/

I'm almost scared to rent "U-571" now has it will most likely look pale in
comparison to this one ...

Marc     ;o)

" I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
him locked up for I realized what was living behind
that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "

Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
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Subject: Re: [MV] Hitler's lost sub - 2000
Date: 18 Nov 2000 03:16:12 -0800



Marc Desbiens wrote:

> **Minor spoilers**
>
> Hi !
>
> I just watched this incredibly good documentary.
>
> It will surely make it in my Top 10 favorite films of 2000 and maybe even
> the Top 5 ... 4.5/5 is my score and since it lasts nearly 2 hours I have no
> problems including it in such a list.  It lasts longer than
> a lot of fictional films ...

Yes Marc. Thanks for your timely e-mail as I was able to catch a late night
rerun of the show here out west.   Amazing documentary indeed.  Certainly one of
the better NOVA programs ever produced.

Dexter

>
>
> It begins in 1991 as we meet a group of divers who found
> a damaged submarine at the bottom of the ocean, 230 feet deep, about 60
> milles off the US coast, near New Jersey.
> A fisherman's net is the reason it was discovered purely by accident ...
>
> They determine it is a german submarine from World War II, a "Type-9" U-Boat
> as they were called (Short for "Underwater Boat" in case you didn't know !)
> ;o)
>
> The problem is the US and Germany have no records of a german sub being
> there at all when the war ended ... so the divers have their mind set on
> identifying this "lost sub" and determining which one of the 1,100 U-Boats
> it was and what it was doing there where it wasn't supposed to be in the
> first place ...
>
> This leads to a lot of highly intriguing material for anyone who is
> interested in deep see diving adventures of course ... plenty of footage
> shot at the bottom of the ocean, even inside the actual sub as the divers
> try to get in deeper and deeper all the time despite the numerous obstacles
> and the poor visibility so they can find something that could help them
> identifying the
> U-Boat.
>
> Lots of graphics as well, showing us what the divers are doing (Kind of like
> the computer animated graphics at the beginning of "Titanic") ... This made
> it very easy to understand what was going on as it could have been a bit
> confusing otherwise.
>
> Diving at those depths is extremely dangerous too (Divers have to surface
> slowly but surely to avoid major decompression problems, air bubbles forming
> in their blood, etc.) and 3 divers actually lose their lives in FREAK
> accidents during the 6 years it takes the group to finally identify the
> boat.  The are gathering all sorts of tiny clues before finally reaching
> their goal, risking their lives to find out ...
>
> Plenty of stock footage from World War II about the history of the U-Boats
> (This made me want to see "Das Boot" again !) and how submarines were
> developed, torpedoes, radar systems ... what the Allies were doing to
> prevent the german subs from sinking their ships and how they were
> destroying them using depth charges and airplanes ... this is quality stuff
> indeed !
>
> The icing on the cake is when they meet some of the relatives of the german
> soldiers who died inside that submarine and they tell them the truth.  They
> didn't die near the coast of Morocco as they had believed all their lives
> (Everyone thought that particular sub had been hit near Morocco just a
> couple of weeks before the war ended, quite a bit of confusion !) but that
> they were near the coast of New Jersey ... touching moments learning about
> the men who died and their families !
>
> 4.5/5, highly recommended.
>
> I saw this on PBS (Nova : Hitler's lost sub) so they will probably present
> it again sometimes ... A link below if you want to read a bit more about
> this excellent documentary (Some spoilers there too but it's a really good
> site and you can find out when they will present it again !)
>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostsub/
>
> I'm almost scared to rent "U-571" now has it will most likely look pale in
> comparison to this one ...
>
> Marc     ;o)
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> " I met this six-year-old child, with this blind,
> pale, emotionless face and the blackest eyes ...
> the DEVIL'S EYES ! I spent eight years trying to
> reach him, and then another seven trying to keep
> him locked up for I realized what was living behind
> that boy's eyes was purely and simply ... EVIL ! "
>
> Donald Pleasance as "Dr. Sam Loomis"
> "Halloween" - 1978
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>
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Subject: [MV] More Favorite Comedies (some dark)
Date: 21 Nov 2000 11:15:39 -0500


*** Thanks for sending me your list, Ms. Sakamaki (Oh, this names sounds
oh-so japanese, yum !)  I added ratings and comments below inside your list
... with stars in front as usual .. ****** Marc  ;o)

Marc, I like comedies a LOT!

**** I am not like you as they are not among my favorites for sure ... In my
top 20 favorite films of all times I probably only have one or two comedies
and they are very dark ones ... Fargo and One flew over the cuckoo's nest,
both are not even considered comedies by most people.

Accidental Tourist
**** 2.5/5, can't say I really liked that one.

As Good As It Gets - This describes my feelings, exactly
**** 3.5/5, very good film !

Babe
**** 2.5/5, that lil' pig was cute though !  ;o)

Baby Boom - the scene where she carries the baby into the restaurant for her
very important meeting is priceless
**** Mmmmm ... 2.5/5, I don't recall that scene you describe but I haven't
seen this film in maybe 10 years ...

BeetleJuice - I never tire of watching this extremely odd comedy, especially
in the waiting room of the newly dead
**** A bit too weird for my taste !  2.5/5

Being There - I feel this is one of Sellers' best performances
**** 3.5/5, very good film !  I love this comedy, not slapstick material ...
this is an intelligent film as well which is a plus !  Love the bit where
Sellers says "I watch television" when asked by reporters and then they
ASSUME he doesn't like how the newspapers report the news ... PRICELESS
material right **there** !!

Big - ditto for Tom Hanks
**** 2/5, never really clicked with that one or any other of those "Grown
ups in kids' bodies" comedies like "Vice Versa" "Like father like son" ...
etc.

The Blues Brothers
**** never seen, hanging my head down in SHAME !

The Breakfast Club
***** 4/5, excellent !

Broadcast News - the scene where the newqscaster is sweating on camera was
pretty memorable
**** 2.5/5, Yes, good scene but overall the film is not too intriguing for
me ... I prefer a movie like "Network" for example ...

Clerks
**** 1.5/5, as you **probably** know I think Kevin Smith is over rated ...
;o)

Defending Your Life
***** 3/5, good comedy !  Although I recommended it to someone and he
stopped it early saying it was "boring" .. ;o)

Fargo
**** 5/5, #6 in my all time favorite films !

Fierce Creatures
**** 3/5, good film ... Oh my .. that lil' Jamie Lee was "busy" in that one
... DISTRACTING !

First Wives Club
**** Never seen, I would probably not like it very much !

Forrest Gump - what more can I say...funny is as funny does (???)
**** 4/5, oh wow .. someone admitting they like this film ... RARE !! This
film is like Titanic, it's better to keep it hush-hush if you liked it ...
;o)

Four Weddings & A Funeral
**** 2.5/5

Galaxy Quest - this is a VERY funny spoof
**** 3.5/5, MUCH better than I expected !!  I wasn't even going to see it
but then I saw the trailer and read a few reviews and it sounded pretty good
so I was glad I gave it a shot !

Get Shorty
***** 4/5, excellent film !  I love the soundtrack as well, all that
electronic music !  I bought the CD !  ;o)

Ghostbusters - very imaginative and creative
**** 2.5/5, good special effects, good title song ... Mmmmmm ... I might be
a bit harsh ... but I wouldn't go higher than 3/5.  ;o)

The Gods Must Be Crazy - you have to see this one...it was so wierd and
incredibly funny
**** I saw it ... in french !!  "Les dieux sont tombΘs sur la tete" Classic
comedy !  I was a good lil' boy watching this film in the movie theaters
with my parents in 1981 or 1982 ... hehe !!   3/5, good film !

Gross Point Blank - never would have thought a hitman story could be funny

Ground Hog Day - I enjoy this every time i see it (over and over and over
and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and
......hmmm, am I giving away the plot?)

Harold & Maude - a Winter/Spring romance, with a twist
****** I couldn't believe in that romance for 2 seconds and that lil' ol'
lady was annoying me big time ... 1.5/5

Hear My Song - the scene with the tied up cow was a riot
**** Never seen

I Love You To Death
***** Never seen !

In & Out
***** 1/5, can't stand these type of comedies.

La Cage Aux Follies
***** Over-the-top, slapstick ... 1/5 or less.

My Blue Heaven
**** not seen

Roxanne
***** 3/5, the one with Steve Martin, right ??  Pretty good !

Secrets & Lies
***** Oh wow, the Mike Leigh film ?? I don't consider that one to be a
comedy myself ... 3.5/5

Shall We Dance
**** not seen

Sixteen Candles
**** not seen

There's Something About Mary
**** 3/5, good but not great, to see a better Farrelli bros' film, rent
Kingpin !  ;O)

Twins
**** 2.5/5, not that bad, but not that good either !

Waking Ned Devine
**** 3/5, good pick, plus it's a small UK film !  That scene with the old
man on the motorcycle is hilarious !

You've Got Mail
**** 2.5/5, never really cared for it ... not enough E-Mailing as well, hard
to belileve they would fall in love since they don't communicate so much ...
I'd rather see The little shop around the corner, the old film from the 40's
on which this one was based ... I have a feeling it might be better.

Marc     ;o)

Dr. Szell : "Is it safe ??"
Thomas : "Yes.  Yes, it's safe.  It's so safe you
wouldn't believe it ..."

Laurence Olivier as "Dr. Szell"
Dustin Hoffman as "Thomas"

"Marathon man" - 1976










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Subject: [MV] RE: More Favorite Comedies
Date: 21 Nov 2000 09:27:00 -0700

> Accidental Tourist
> **** 2.5/5, can't say I really liked that one.

I can't say I liked it either, Marc.  And there's no way I'd ever consider
this a comedy.  It's one of the most depressing things I've ever seen.

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Subject: [MV] Bill's Top films, 1999 ..
Date: 21 Nov 2000 15:04:28 -0500




**** Adding comments inside your list, Bill. ** Marc  ;o)

Bill's list of favorite 1999 films.

THREE KINGS   3/5, good first half but then it kind of falls apart slightly.

THE INSIDER   3.5/5, good but too long, that last hour or so ...

NOTTING HILL   not seen, doesn't appeal to me !

THE STRAIGHT STORY  3.5/5  Very good.

TOY STORY 2    not seen, I might give it a shot though.

ELECTION   4/5 agreeing, this was an excellent film.

OCTOBER SKY   3.5/5, good film, yet not a lot of people have seen it.

SIXTH SENSE   4/5, "I see dead people" ... nuff said.

DREAMLIFE OF ANGELS    3.5/5, oh, you are so artsy fancy !
Yes, those frenchies !

RUN LOLA RUN  4.5/5, in my top 10 for 1999.  Those germans !!  It's so cool,
gotta play it LOUD !

SOUTH PARK   1.5/5 .. arrrrrgh .. nooooo !! I couldn't stand that one, not
too surprising considering the unnecessary swearing and annoying lil' bratts
...

TALENTED MR. RIPLEY    4/5, excellent although I know plenty of people who
hate it too.

BUENA VISTA SOCIAL CLUB    not seen

THE GENERAL    not seen

WINSLOW BOY     2.5/5, average, didn't really connect with this one, plus
that love-romance story on the side ...

LEGEND OF 1900    not seen.

FIGHT CLUB    3.5/5 ... I am close to 4/5, good film, I have minor issues
with the 2nd half, great ending though.

RIDE WITH THE DEVIL    not seen

THE LIMEY     3.5/5, oh good, I like seeing this one in your list, a film
that should be seen by the masses !

AMERICAN BEAUTY    5/5, my #1 film for 1999.

GUINEVERE    2/5, no no no non .. that love-romance again .. and who could
believe that lil' dish, Sarah Polley would be attracted to the unappealing
Stephen Rea, she would have laughed her lil' ass off !!  I loved it though
when Polley's mother completely destroys Rea in one brilliant scene near the
end ...

BRINGING OUT THE DEAD   3.5/5, very good, plus it's a Scorsese of course !

LIMBO   2.5/5, average.

RED VIOLIN     not seen

WALK ON THE MOON    3/5, wow, this one was filmed near here ... I liked it
too although it wouldn't be in my list of favorites.

IRON GIANT      not seen, those animated films are mostly repellants.

LOCK STOCK & TWO SMOKING BARRELS    3/5, good but not great.  Nice visuals
though, all sorts of camera tricks !

LIGHT IT UP    2/5, no way, this was a very ordinary film ... with Forrest
Whitaker, set in a high school ... so predictable and silly in part.

RAVENOUS   3.5/5, yes, nasty one !

BLAIR WITCH    4.5/5, in my top 5 for 1999.

DICK     not seen

OPEN YOUR EYES     2.5/5, oh, you liked that lil' Penelope Cruz huh ... you
can admit it .. you know !!??
This is a spanish The matrix wannabe if I recall ...

MANSFIELD PARK     not seen
TARZAN      not seen, not another animated one.

BEING JOHN MALKOVICH    4.5/5, Top 5 material for that year !

GO    4/5, in my top 10 too !

MATRIX     3/5, there you go !  Great visuals, technically impressive,
didn't connect so much with that story.

ANALYZE THIS   3.5/5, very good film !
BOYS DON'T CRY   4.5/5, in my top 5.

That's a *really* good year for movies, don't you think?
Bill

**** Yes, I agree with most of your choices !
Have a fine day !
Marc ;o)

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Subject: RE: [MV] Bill's Top films, 1999 ..
Date: 21 Nov 2000 14:41:27 -0600

Good List Bill.
I really wanted to like Bringing Out The Dead but I could not finish it.
Something really annoying about Patricia Arquette. And really hard to care
about any of those people. I usually can tell if I should abandon a movie if
at about halfway I really do not care if the characters live or die. Does
anyone else have a certain criteria for making that decision???

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**** Adding comments inside your list, Bill. ** Marc  ;o)

Bill's list of favorite 1999 films.

THREE KINGS   3/5, good first half but then it kind of falls apart slightly.

THE INSIDER   3.5/5, good but too long, that last hour or so ...

NOTTING HILL   not seen, doesn't appeal to me !

THE STRAIGHT STORY  3.5/5  Very good.

TOY STORY 2    not seen, I might give it a shot though.

ELECTION   4/5 agreeing, this was an excellent film.

OCTOBER SKY   3.5/5, good film, yet not a lot of people have seen it.

SIXTH SENSE   4/5, "I see dead people" ... nuff said.

DREAMLIFE OF ANGELS    3.5/5, oh, you are so artsy fancy !
Yes, those frenchies !

RUN LOLA RUN  4.5/5, in my top 10 for 1999.  Those germans !!  It's so cool,

gotta play it LOUD !

SOUTH PARK   1.5/5 .. arrrrrgh .. nooooo !! I couldn't stand that one, not
too surprising considering the unnecessary swearing and annoying lil' bratts

...

TALENTED MR. RIPLEY    4/5, excellent although I know plenty of people who
hate it too.

BUENA VISTA SOCIAL CLUB    not seen

THE GENERAL    not seen

WINSLOW BOY     2.5/5, average, didn't really connect with this one, plus
that love-romance story on the side ...

LEGEND OF 1900    not seen.

FIGHT CLUB    3.5/5 ... I am close to 4/5, good film, I have minor issues
with the 2nd half, great ending though.

RIDE WITH THE DEVIL    not seen

THE LIMEY     3.5/5, oh good, I like seeing this one in your list, a film
that should be seen by the masses !

AMERICAN BEAUTY    5/5, my #1 film for 1999.

GUINEVERE    2/5, no no no non .. that love-romance again .. and who could
believe that lil' dish, Sarah Polley would be attracted to the unappealing
Stephen Rea, she would have laughed her lil' ass off !!  I loved it though
when Polley's mother completely destroys Rea in one brilliant scene near the

end ...

BRINGING OUT THE DEAD   3.5/5, very good, plus it's a Scorsese of course !

LIMBO   2.5/5, average.

RED VIOLIN     not seen

WALK ON THE MOON    3/5, wow, this one was filmed near here ... I liked it
too although it wouldn't be in my list of favorites.

IRON GIANT      not seen, those animated films are mostly repellants.

LOCK STOCK & TWO SMOKING BARRELS    3/5, good but not great.  Nice visuals
though, all sorts of camera tricks !

LIGHT IT UP    2/5, no way, this was a very ordinary film ... with Forrest
Whitaker, set in a high school ... so predictable and silly in part.

RAVENOUS   3.5/5, yes, nasty one !

BLAIR WITCH    4.5/5, in my top 5 for 1999.

DICK     not seen

OPEN YOUR EYES     2.5/5, oh, you liked that lil' Penelope Cruz huh ... you
can admit it .. you know !!??
This is a spanish The matrix wannabe if I recall ...

MANSFIELD PARK     not seen
TARZAN      not seen, not another animated one.

BEING JOHN MALKOVICH    4.5/5, Top 5 material for that year !

GO    4/5, in my top 10 too !

MATRIX     3/5, there you go !  Great visuals, technically impressive,
didn't connect so much with that story.

ANALYZE THIS   3.5/5, very good film !
BOYS DON'T CRY   4.5/5, in my top 5.

That's a *really* good year for movies, don't you think?
Bill

**** Yes, I agree with most of your choices !
Have a fine day !
Marc ;o)

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Subject: [MV] Posters For Sale!!!!
Date: 23 Nov 2000 00:20:13 EST


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- Castaway
- American Beauty Poster and Presskit
- Family Man
- The Pledge
- Swordfish
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- What Lies Beneath Poster and Presskit
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- Exorcist Rerelease
- Get Carter
- Men Of Honor
- Red Planet
- 6th Day
- Mission Impossible 2
- Scary Movie
- The Cell
- Patriot Regular
- The In-Crowd
- The Whole Nine Yards
- Wonder Boys
- End OF Days Style "B"
- Pokemon 2000
- Jakob the Liar
- Bicentennial Man
- Double Jeopardy
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<BR>- Castaway
<BR>- American Beauty Poster and Presskit
<BR>- Family Man
<BR>- The Pledge
<BR>- Swordfish
<BR>- Legend Of Bagger Vance Poster and Presskit
<BR>- Gladiator Poster=20
<BR>- Almost Famous Poster and Presskit
<BR>- What Lies Beneath Poster and Presskit
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<BR>- Get Carter
<BR>- Men Of Honor
<BR>- Red Planet
<BR>- 6th Day
<BR>- Mission Impossible 2
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Subject: [MV] Kiefer Sutherland - After Alice (1999)
Date: 23 Nov 2000 01:37:41 -0500


Hi !

What has happened to Kiefer Sutherland ??  (and Rebecca De Mornay !!)

I used to like him but since "Dark City" in 1998 he has only appeared in
rather awful made-for-cable-tv films that are not even worth renting ... I
think he has made
6 or 7 of them since he was in "Dark city" ...

I am not saying all 6 or 7 are bad, but I have seen 2
and they both get 1.5/5 ("After Alice" and "Woman wanted") and a couple more
are not even worth seeing from what I read ...

I was suckered into renting this thriller called "After Alice" aka "Eyes of
the killer" just now ... That was simply an awful film.  I am usually fond
of serial killer movies as I have liked many over the years.

This one borrows from many other similar films but the movie is terrible
(something you would never guess by looking at the trailer, highly
misleading !),

We never see anything really interesting ... Kiefer seems to be in bars
drinking half the time.  Talking to this person, then that one, then back to
the first one ... nothing interesting happens, damn it !!

I could make a better film by going into a bar and film drunken men for a
few hours then edit the raw footage to keep the only "juicy" bits !!  Nice
idea for a documentary !!

"After Alice" has this awfully twisted story of a cop who is a drunk
(Sutherland).  He is assigned anyway to go after a serial killer ??  I mean
the guy drinks directly from the Jack Daniels bottles he keeps in his desk
drawers at the police station ... He empties them right in front of
everybody and yet he is assigned a CRUCIAL serial killer case ??

As if this was not enough they have to throw in a boring and/or ludicrous
supernatural element ... supposidely after falling on his back while running
after a bum who stole his Jack Daniels bottle (I'm not kidding !), he can
now "see through the killer's eyes" whenever he touches something that was
worn or owned by the victim ...

This means we get to see plenty of uninteresting flashback scenes involving
the killer and the helpless victims while Kiefer shakes and twitches (camera
acting as the killer's eyes, and those scenes are not even well made !)

After a while he is helped by this so-called psychic who is of course a
gorgeous young woman (Polly Walker).
She will help him stay sober for more than 24 hours in
a row while they fall in love before the ending credits roll ... (I was
rolling my eyes back so fast I got dizzy !!)

The film was so long and boring I stopped caring who the damn killer(s)
was/were at about the halfway point ... and the entire ending, last 15
minutes are totally ridiculous ... who wrote this, it's embarassing !!

I'll think twice before renting another one of Kiefer's films now ...
actually "After Alice" was not trashed by so many people (3.5/5 from Apollo
guide .. geeeesh !!) so this is why I thought of giving it a chance in the
first place ... big mistake !

1.5/5

Marc     ;o)

Dr. Szell : "Is it safe ??"
Thomas : "Yes.  Yes, it's safe.  It's so safe you
wouldn't believe it ..."

Laurence Olivier as "Dr. Szell"
Dustin Hoffman as "Thomas"

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Subject: [MV] UNBREAKABLE (No Spoilers Here)
Date: 27 Nov 2000 10:11:00 -0700

I just wanted to share some quick thoughts on UNBREAKABLE without spoiling
anything for those who haven't seen it.  I really liked it, although I think
that pre-conceived notions about the film might ruin the experience for some.
I have some tips for those who intend to see it:

1. This is not THE SIXTH SENSE PART 2, despite the involvement of Shyamalan
and Willis.  'Nuff said.

2. This is not a film for everybody.  Pure and simple.  While many folks in
the mainstream can (and have) enjoyed the film, it actually caters to a select
audience.  I cannot name that audience, however, without giving a minor
spoiler for the film.

I do want to discuss this film with those of you who have seen it, but in
another thread that's clearly marked for "Spoilers."

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From: Nathan Lemrick <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] trailers
Date: 27 Nov 2000 11:25:25 -0800 (PST)

I would like to say something about the trailers that play before the films I go and see.  While I like most of them that play there are some which really make me mad.  I saw the new trailer for Castaway and was totally disappointed.  In my opinon it gave the entire film away.  Why would what to go and see this film if I saw all of it in two minutes?  When will film makers make trailers that don't give up all the information about a film.  I like trailers which give a nice idea what the film is about.  I think the trailer for Unbreakable gives a good idea without giving anything.  What do others think about this topic?

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From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] re: trailers
Date: 27 Nov 2000 13:40:00 -0700

> I think the trailer for Unbreakable gives a good idea without
> giving anything.  What do others think about this topic?

I agree with you.  However, real-world data shows that most people actually
prefer these *tell-all* trailers.  Like it or not, these trailers get butts in
the seats.  UNBREAKABLE is getting some mixed reactions from people who were
disappointed in it, and who probably wouldn't have seen it had the trailers
given them more information as to what it was about.  Due to its crafty
marketing campaign, the film actually receives gasps of surprise in the
opening few seconds and people wonder if they are in the right theater.  Go
figure...

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Subject: [MV] [mv] re: trailers
Date: 27 Nov 2000 12:56:43 -0800 (PST)


---
>However, real-world data shows that most people actually
>prefer these *tell-all* trailers.  Like it or not, these >trailers get butts in the seats.

I just find it dishearting that people want to go and pay 7.75 (that is the price in my town) to go and see a film which will not surpise them. If I know what will happen then I am less likley to go.  But, that is just me.  All I ask in a trailer is get me excited about seeing a film.  I also saw the trailer for Dungeons and Dragons which made me what to see it.  Having not hear anything about it the trailer made me interested.  People are going to see films they think will entertain them.  For me atleast this means dont give away everything.

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Subject: Re: [MV] [mv] re: trailers
Date: 27 Nov 2000 23:25:09 -0000

Another trailer which really disappointed me.... "the thin red line".  The
trailer made the film look like a very good war film (to take on saving
private Ryan at the same time), it would show how the men at war really got
through the horrors of war.... but no.  It was 2 1/2 hours of "wanna be"
similes and painful scripts.

My opinion is, Find out the story and do not pre-judge any thing (i.e:
Bullworth - Warren Batty/Politics/Mental Breakdown/Hallie Berry sounds like
a great film - Reality::: Painfully disappointing)

>
> ---
> >However, real-world data shows that most people actually
> >prefer these *tell-all* trailers.  Like it or not, these >trailers get
butts in the seats.
>
> I just find it dishearting that people want to go and pay 7.75 (that is
the price in my town) to go and see a film which will not surpise them. If I
know what will happen then I am less likley to go.  But, that is just me.
All I ask in a trailer is get me excited about seeing a film.  I also saw
the trailer for Dungeons and Dragons which made me what to see it.  Having
not hear anything about it the trailer made me interested.  People are going
to see films they think will entertain them.  For me atleast this means dont
give away everything.
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Subject: [MV] The perfect storm - 2000
Date: 27 Nov 2000 23:26:59 -0500


Hi !

I thought this film was very good mainly because the "visuals" were so
incredible, making us believe we were actually caught in this "Perfect
storm" ourselves ...

Director Wolfgang Peterson (Das Boot, Air force one)returns to the sea in
another powerful saga where viewers are on the edge of their seats and
actors get drenched.

George Clooney leads a terrific cast of stars and acting veterans in this
tale of man against nature, based on a true story. Captain Billy Tyne
(George Clooney) is a sword fisherman who has had bad luck recently.  He is
determined to bring in one large boatload before the season ends so he takes
his crew far offshore to the Flemish Cap, a place where he is sure to make a
big score.

They fill the boat easily, but the ice machine breaks down, making it
impossible to keep their fishes fresh for long.  So, they head for home
thinking they can make it despite the storm.  Unfortunately, nature has
other plans as hurricanes collide.  The rest of the film is an epic battle
of man against nature ... the little fishing boat fighting high winds and
50-foot waves struggles to get home in one piece.

"The perfect storm" has the most amazing visual effects  I have seen in a
long time ... 5 or 6 times at least
I was thinking "WOW!!" .. it really looked awesome :
the huge waves, boats being knocked around,
search helicopters going down ...  It is to hurricanes-at-sea what "Twister"
was to tornadoes and the story is more intriguing too (that wasn't too hard
to achieve !!)
You get a vivid understanding of the awesome power of nature and how tiny we
really are by comparison.

Peterson attempts once again to get us emotionally involved with the
characters.  In this regard, he was certainly not as successful as in "Das
Boot" ... I
cared for the characters and what would happen to them but if the script had
been better (Dropping some minor subplots and "scenes from back home" that
don't bring a whole lot to the story and are simply not original would be
good ideas !)

The film throws in a subplot by adding the Coast Guard's rescue of a
sailboat that is also in trouble at the same time as the Andrea Gail. Though
this brought some fabulous and exciting footage, it had no real relevance to
the main storyline.  The time would have been better spent doing more
character development and crew interaction scenes to bind us to the
characters.

What Peterson does well though is to create suspense.  "The Perfect Storm"
is a thrill ride from the moment the storm hits.  In scene after scene, you
are climbing out of your seat with every muscle tensing
(some muscles were particularly tense when the lovely Diane Lane was on the
screen though, must have been a COINCIDENCE ...  ;-)  !!) as the crew
performs yet another death defying act to stay alive.

The acting was good by most of the main characters but the supporting
characters weren't so impressive.

Example : the boy who was playing John C. Reilly's kid, it was too obvious
he was reciting his lines, I was **almost** laughing and this was supposed
to be a touching and emotional scene with his father in the car ... Clooney
played his typical proud tough guy role with a back-woods' look, and was
perfect for the role.

Mark Wahlberg turns in another fine performance bringing
both strength and sensitivity to his character
(Although the part where he is having this "moment" talking to his
girlfriend while in the sea made me
cringe a bit ...  John C. Reilly gave a supporting
performance as good as any of the stars as well.

One major flaw though is the soundtrack ... was it necessary to have
classical music played extremely loud while we were seeing fishermen putting
some ice over
dead fishes ?? I thought it looked quite silly actually as fishermen and
classical music are not exactly ... well ... you know !!  ;-)

The film had enough loud moments anyway so I would have enjoyed it a bit
more had those unnecessary loud moments been toned down a bit ... I was
thinking the film would have been better if no music at all had been heard
in fact !  With all this music I was thinking often "Oh, this is just a
film" ... Also, there are a few repetitive scenes near the end.

I rated this film at 3.5/5.  What it lacks in story and character
development, it almost completely makes up for in visual effects and
suspense.  With a few changes here and there it could have gone as high as
4/5 though.

Marc     ;o)

Dr. Szell : "Is it safe ??"
Thomas : "Yes.  Yes, it's safe.  It's so safe you
wouldn't believe it ..."

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Dustin Hoffman as "Thomas"

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From: ("Paul D  Richardson") <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: The perfect storm - 2000
Date: 28 Nov 2000 08:34:00 -0700

> "The perfect storm" has the most amazing visual effects
> I have seen in a long time ...

I'm guessing you saw it on video then.  I saw it in the theaters and most of
the SFX failed miserably as the CGI work stood out like a sore thumb.  Put it
up against the storm sequences THE ABYSS (which is over ten years old) and
there's no comparison.  Plus, it didn't help that the biggest effect of the
film was used ad nauseam in the marketing campaign, so by the time it came
around it wasn't nearly as stunning as it could have been if it were a
surprise.

Not that the effects distracted me too much.  This film is, after all,
primarily a character piece.  For the most part, the characters are somewhat
interesting and well acting, but the dialogue is hokey and theres a lot of
poor attempts at audience manipulation.  George Clooney delivers one very poor
monologue not once, but twice!

The film wasn't terrible, but ultimately it was forgettable.  Which is a shame
to the memories of those who lost their lives in that storm (the film is based
on a true story).

On the subject of special effects, has anybody seen the new trailer for PEARL
HARBOR?  It played in front of UNBREAKABLE and the visuals in that film look
amazing.  As long as they keep Bay and Affleck away from the animal crackers,
it could be a good flick.

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From: "Marc Desbiens" <[e-mail]>
Subject: [MV] RE: The perfect storm - 2000
Date: 29 Nov 2000 18:10:13 -0500


I'm guessing you saw it on video then.  I saw it in the theaters and most of
the SFX failed miserably as the CGI work stood out like a sore thumb.

***** Mmmmmm .. Yes, I saw it on video !!  But I have heard of people who
saw it in the theaters and said they were rather impressed ... Mr. Roger
Ebert also loved it (A surprisingly high 3.5/4 ! James Berardinelli : 3/4)
so it's too bad you didn't like those effects so much, I thought they were
rather effective myself, eye-popping material !

Plus, it didn't help that the biggest effect of the
film was used ad nauseam in the marketing campaign, so by the time it came
around it wasn't nearly as stunning as it could have been if it were a
surprise.

***** Yes, I have to agree it was a mistake to show that particular sequence
everywhere ... even the movie poster !

Not that the effects distracted me too much.  This film is, after all,
primarily a character piece.

***** Are you serious ??  The special effects and action sequences are
crucial in this film as there is very little character development ...

For the most part, the characters are somewhat
interesting and well acting, but the dialogue is hokey and theres a lot of
poor attempts at audience manipulation.

**** Yes, that last Whalberg scene in the ocean made me roll my eyes back a
bit ... that was too much !  A few changes here and there would improve this
film a lot.
Have a fine day !
Marc  ;o)

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Subject: [MV] Chicken run - 2000
Date: 30 Nov 2000 02:26:41 -0500


Hi !

I just loved this film and it was such a pleasant surprise.  I only rented
it because I had read some positive reviews as usually I try to stay away
from  animated films.  This one is a "stop-and-go" animated film though so
it is slightly different and well worth watching in my opinion.

"Chicken Run," is a tale with more heart and truth than
a lot of movies out there. You actually ROOT for those chickens, wanting
them to "make it", that's how touching, sweet and sincere the film feels.

The movie's animated style contains the latest clay-animation techniques and
superb special effects. Directors Peter Lord and Nick Park give the
characters depth, reason, and dimension even if the main stars are **only**
chickens after all ...

It chronicles the lives of a group of chickens being
held within a sinister chicken farm in England and is set in the 1950's.

Ginger (voiced by Julia Sawalha) is the central character, who, along with
her chicken mates, wishes
for nothing more than be FREE and "retire" in the english countryside .... I
just loved those chickens talking with the sweet british accent, they were
too cute and funny !!

The unhappy farm owners, the smart Mrs. Tweedy and the dumb Mr. Tweedy,
brutally dispose of the chickens who fail to produce the required number of
eggs weekly.  This is actually shown in a scene that might be disturbing for
some very young kids (not seen except in a shadow but it is certainly
implied !)

I was a bit surprised that they would show this in a film that will be seen
by many small children ... The film is a bit "dark" sometimes and contains
some material that might be more suitable for older kids or even teenagers
... there are some "in jokes" for moviegoers as well, references to other
movies such as "Indiana Jones and the temple of doom" among others.

When a circus Rooster named Rocky (voiced by Mel Gibson)
arrives one evening, Angie blackmails him into teaching her and the other
chickens how to escape by flying over the fence or else she will reveal his
presence to the farm owners and he'll have to go back to the circus from
which he escaped.

This is also when the farm owners decide to turn their farm into a chicken
pie factory to increase their revenues, creating even more tensions among
the chicks.  These scenes made me think of the gas chambers in the
concentration camp actually as a "chicken-pie-machine"
is built ...

The film's plot is interesting (I am certainly not the target audience for
this movie as I usually like a lot of dark and disturbing films but it is so
well made it won me over after the first 5 minutes ...) and it portrays a
series of events that gradually build tension. The ending is certainly
satisfying as well.

"Chicken Run" will entertain most people in my opinion and as Roger Ebert
said "It's not only for kids".  He also gave the movie a 3.5/4.

Some parts made me think of P.O.W. films and WWII movies set in
concentration camps ("Life is beautiful" comes to mind as that movie also
achieved the difficult task of showing some more lighthearted moments
despite the overall grim feeling of being inside that death camp ...)

4/5 is my score so it is likely to be in my top 20 favorite films for 2000,
maybe even the top 15 ...

Marc     ;o)

"Ginger" : "We'll either die free or we'll die trying ..."
"Babs" : "Are those the only choices ??"

Julia Sawalha as "Ginger"  (voice) &
Jane Horrocks as "Babs"  (voice)
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Subject: [MV] Jake's Top 10 Movies
Date: 30 Nov 2000 23:20:59 -0500


***** Adding comments and ratings to your list, Jake ! (You were quite
"busy" today ... hehe !  Several e-mails ... I shall send comments about
some of your reviews later ... like Brokedown palace or Final destination)

In case anyone's interested, I've compiled a list of the top 10
movies I've enjoyed over my long life of 20 years ;-)  Hopefully I
can remember them all!  This is very hard to do let me tell you!

**** Not hard for me since I have a list of my 250 favorite films of all
times actually ... ;o)  I'll list my own Top 10 at the end of this e-mail.


Jake's Top 10 ...
------------------
10 - Barton Fink (1991)

     Having seen this one for the first time just this year means it's
pretty special being on my top 10 list!  Check out the great
character development and storyline, people!

***** 3.5/5, liked this one a lot but I prefer other Coen brothers' films
... especially FARGO ...

9 - Evil Dead 2 (1987)

     I fell really guilty putting this one on my top 10 list but I
find it hard to believe someone would not like it unless they
completely despise anything horror related.. period.

***** 2.5/5, I don't really care for it but I know a few people who also
love this one ... 2.5/5 for the original Evil dead as well ...

8 - Sword of Many Loves (1992)

     You think the Matrix had advanced visuals?  You haven't seen
action unless you've checked out what Hong Kong's guys have been
doing for years!  The visuals in this movie are years ahead of
Hollywood because they don't overdo and wash them out with digitally
enhanced poopah effects and eyecandy.

***** Never seen this one !

7 - Four Rooms (1995)

     Four rooms in a hotel directed by four different directors with
Tim Roth the bellboy bouncing to each.  Genius!

***** Wow, I am surprised as I have read critics that were saying this movie
was indeed GODAWFUL, so this is why I never watched it myself even if it is
available here ...

6 - Reservoir Dogs (1992)

     One of the most violent movies I've seen--- can't get enough of
it!

***** I am agreeing ... and grinning !!  5/5, also in my own Top 10 ... in
7th place.

5 - Fargo (1996)

     Can't get enough of smalltown indie-ish movies starring Steve
Buscemi either :-)

****** Loving it !!  5/5, also in my top 10 ... but in 6th place.

4 - Gattaca (1997)

     This movie shows exactly what I've always thought the future will
be like.  People will be hired based on their genetics which of
course will be illegal but still practised.  VERY good storyline!

****** Very good, 3.5/5 .. actually the first time I saw this one I didn't
think it was so good ... 2.5/5 ... but I kept thinking about it so I watched
it again a couple of years later and it is indeed great ... not sure why I
didn't care for it much the first time around ...

3 - The Neverending Story (1984)

     The storyline haunted me as a child and it was one of my favorite
movies growing up.  Part of it was filmed in my hometown of Vancouver
as well!

***** Never seen !

2 - The Shining (1980)

     Other than the fact that this movie scared the bejeezees out of
me when I was seven, I still regard this movie as one of the best.
Even now I rent this one at least once every year or two.

***** Don't have to rent it myself cos' I own it of course !  5/5, seen it
on numerous occasions ... it misses my Top 10 though ... ending up around
#12 or 13 ... still high quality material ...

1 - UHF (1989)

     What more can I say about this movie than watch it already!?!
Please tell me what you think!  Thanks,
- Iceman

***** Never seen this ... hanging my head down in SHAME !! Oh, you're so
cool, iceman !

Well, here is my own Top 10 ...

1-Goodfellas - 1990
2-Leaving Las Vegas - 1995
3-Pulp fiction - 1994
4-Taxi driver - 1976
5-Casino - 1995
6-Fargo - 1996
7-Reservoir dogs - 1992
8-Silence of the lambs - 1990(1991 ?)
9-Titanic - 1997
10-Natural born killers - 1994

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From: Mel Eperthener <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: [MV] Chicken run - 2000
Date: 30 Nov 2000 22:16:05 -0500

At 02.26 AM 30/11/2000 -0500, Marc Desbiens wrote:
>Some parts made me think of P.O.W. films and WWII movies set in
>concentration camps ("Life is beautiful" comes to mind as that movie also
>achieved the difficult task of showing some more lighthearted moments
>despite the overall grim feeling of being inside that death camp ...)

This movie is actually a homage to the great WW2 film, Stalag 17. (Which is
the lesser known movie similar to The Great Escape).

I love Nick Park's work.  (He is famous for Wallace and Grommit and
Creature Comforts, and anytime he has a short film to submit to the
Academy, he seems to win the Oscar for that year)

Great choice, Mark.  The first time I tried to watch it, I wasn't able to
get into it (too many interruptions), but I am eager to try again.

Regards,

--Mel


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Subject: [MV] Dancin' chickens and animated films
Date: 01 Dec 2000 00:33:36 -0500



****** I'll add comments below ... with stars in front, Melissa !!
Marc  ;-)

>Why do you stay away from animated films?  Are you one of those people who
>can't get past the idea that animated = for kids?  Or is it something else?
>Just curious.  Melissa

****** Well, I don't really care for animated films usually and to tell you
the truth if Chicken run had been made in the "usual" animated way, with
drawings, not as a "stop-and-go" animated film I would have been much less
interested in seeing it in the first place ... the fact it was stop-and-go
animation made it more original and made it a lot more appealing ... I would
probably have seen it anyway had it been made in the more usual way though
... hard to say if I would have liked it as much ! The stop-and-go animation
gave it a very special "look" ...

I am just TURNED OFF big time by most films that are animated, especially
the
ones that are sponsored by McDonalds or Burger king, those are for KIDS ...
movies like Rugrats in Paris for example ... and it's ok, kids deserve to go
to the movies sometimes (if they are niiiiiice, of course !)

I didn't even like Toy story and Toy story 2 which most people loved ... and
I stay away from the usual Disney films like Tarzan, Beauty and the beast,
The little mermaid, The lion king ... never seen any of those and I am not
interested either, too many other movies out
there already so I skip the animated Disney films !

Those movies are more for kids, I understand they can be enjoyed by adults
too though, but I doubt I would like them much anyway ... great visuals but
the stories ??

The reasons I liked Chicken run so much :

- Stop and go animation, awesome special effects.

- Some dark moments, i.e. References to concentration camps, this film was
not really for very little children.
Good story.

- Many good reviews stating this was not for children only.

- Made by the creators of Wallace and Gromitt. (spelling ??)

- Contains scenes with "Dancin' chicks" ... this is of course very appealing
!!  ;-)

I will see Titan A.E. though as it looks cool and not really for children
either ... I want to see animated films that are more "serious" or adult
oriented
basically and those are few and far between ...

Titan A.E. was a disaster at the box office too ... cost a lot of money to
make and was in-and-out of the movie theaters...was it because it didn't
appeal to young kids ??? That should tell you something !

G'day to you !

Marc ;o)




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