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From: Randy Graves <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: re 1st sail
Date: 01 Oct 1996 09:14:02 -0600

Hank,
      I have the same problem with the bow backing away from the trailer =
bow snubber our M-15 with a Zeiman trailer.  I have found that if I lift =
UP on the bow when winching the boat the last few inches, it helps a =
great deal.  Our other option is as you mentioned, hitting the brakes =
when going down hill.  Also, if we tighten the winch strap a little =
tighter than normal, the boat will move forward as we travel.
     But like you, I am interested in a better solution.  We had the =
same problem on our Laguna 24.. only worse.

Randy Graves
=20


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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: re gennaker
Date: 01 Oct 1996 11:04:23

hi, coincidence of coincidence, I came across a gennaker post on the yacht-L
list

Doug Introne wrote  > The best light air (and not so light air) headsail I have
ever used is a
funny sail called a Gennaker. Basically it is an Assymetrical (or sometimes
called a Cruising) Spinnaker, but it has a few hanks and a light luff wire
for the forestay. They are much easier to control than a true Assymetrical
Spinnaker (which is way easier than a true kite) but they offer tons o'
performance as they are very full in the head, radially cut, made with
light weight cloth, etc.etc.(and they are pretty, to boot!). You can use
them any time you would sail a true kite or a large Genny. I have used them
now on three different boats (though never a cutter)

sooo,
does any of these Horizon, Hogin, Bowers gennakers have these hanks and luff
wire ?
or are they "TRUE" asymmetricals ?

Bert wrote  >The genniker is three quarter ounce and is 110 square feet

hi I have the M15's Option lists for 85 and 86...no kite in 85, but a spi
appeared in 1986...half-ounce cloth, but no footage given...I don't have much
literature on "vest pocket" cruiser (someone claimed in Yacht-L that his
Bayfield 25 is a pocket cruiser !!) , only on the Siren 17 and Potter 15...the
Potter 15's kite was 85 FT2 and cost $250 back in 85 (for $2.94 per FT2)

Rich wrote  >  My gennaker is 144 sq. ft. and cost $ 2.77/sq. ft..

hi, 144 FT2 for an M15 ??  it's good to see that sail price hasn't risen in the
past 10 years !-)
by the way Randy said his gennaker was $190 so whatever the FT2 that's probably
less than $2 per FT2

Luan
Windsong 15/81-#147

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From: Keith Diehl <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: Re: Montgomery Pictures
Date: 01 Oct 1996 13:35:24 -0600 (MDT)

Randy, I've added the picture of your boat rounding the mark to my home page.
It was kind of grainy, I don't know if you can fix that or not. I'd love to
have a better digital copy to display...it's a gorgeous picture.

The other picture complained that it was damaged and wouldn't open.

Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: M_Boats: re 1st sail
Date: 01 Oct 1996 22:53:23 -0400

HK,
I have that problem too (the boat not being all the way on the trailer).  At
first I thought it was due to stretch in the winch line, but I replaced the
old line with a strap and the boat was still a couple inches off when I get
out.  No problem, I just winch it the rest of the way on; easy to do on poly
rollers.  It is probably just due to the geometery of the situation.  The
boat rocks back as it is hauled out, so the solution would be to mark the
winch line at the fully loaded position and then bring it to the mark each
time while loading.  I'll have to try that next time.
Bob

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From: [e-mail] (Dick Allgire)
Subject: M_Boats: Try this
Date: 02 Oct 1996 09:08:05 -0600

Want a fun page about sailing?----try this:http://holoholo.org/caldwell.

Incidently, the guy has arrived back in Hololulu, Dick Allgire

Frisbeetarianism: The belief that when you die your soul goes up on the
roof and stays there !



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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: M for sale, pics
Date: 02 Oct 1996 11:13:05

Larry wrote  >I just got home from a quick trip to So Calif and found a listing
for a 15
at 916-332-0775 and another at 408-475-8623 ...ad says M15, trlr, and 2.2
Merc ob potti jackets reefable main and jib $4500  Leave msg....   Larry

thanks, I enjoy keeping track of the resale value of Mboats

by the way, I paid $5500 for mine 10 yrs ago, including all the above plus a
ton of other stuff ("galley",  ustensils !, manual & automatic bilge pumps,
electrical panel, VHF, etc etc

Keith wrote  > Randy, I've added the picture of your boat rounding the mark to
my home page.
It was kind of grainy

thanks, the effect is not bad, almost like a painting...that reminds me, I
should have a couple of my Windsong pics converted to Photocd, after which I'll
email you a jpeg

Luan
Windsong, 15/81-#147

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: RE: M_Boats: re 1st sail
Date: 03 Oct 1996 20:28:10 -0400

I have the same problem with my 15 on my Trail Rite.  Bert

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From: Keith Diehl <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: He Wants an M15
Date: 04 Oct 1996 17:08:43 -0600 (MDT)

I lifted this from rec.boats.marketplace.

Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl

======================================


Anyone who has an M15 for sale, or knows of one for sale, within a
reasonable driving distance (the southeast?) of central florida, please
let me know via E-mail.

Thanks,

Joe Carillet


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From: Stanley Townsend <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: Trailer tires vs. auto tires
Date: 08 Oct 1996 09:12:17 -0700

I jumped in the middle of a string on rec.boats about trailer tires vs.
auto tires.  I find there are opinions on both sides.  Anyway, here's a
message from the guy who started it... wants info on converting a
trailer to take auto tires.  I know some of our group have experience
along these lines, so if someone wants to respond to him... his e-mail
address is at the bottom.


Any ideas what exactly is necessary to convert from trailer tires to
regular automotive tires? I already have the 5 on 4.5" bolt pattern
and 13" rims. Unless there is something signifigantly different between
bias ply trailer rims and radial tire rims, it would seem that a trip to
the tire store is all I would need to do a conversion. :)
   Incidentally, I was contemplating this earlier today when I had
my old bias ply tires swapped to the new galvanized rims. (old rims were
rusted beyond salvage...)


In article <[e-mail]> you wrote:
: Dennis Kreuzenstein,[e-mail],Internet wrote at 6:31 AM on
9/30/96
: to rec.boats about "Re: trailer tires?":
: -----------------------------

: >You should be using TRAILER tires not car tires.
: >-Dennis-

: There has been a rather lengthy thread on trailer tires vs. auto tires
(for
: boat trailers) on our Montgomery owners list, with many complaints
about
: trailer tires being poorly manufactured, undependable, wearing out
quickly.
:  The concensus seemed to be that you are better off if you can switch
to
: auto tires.  More than one commenter had even gone so far as to modify
: their trailers to accept auto tires.

: Note that I'm NOT speaking from experience here... I haul my
Montgomery 15
: on trailer tires (so far, so good).  I don't long haul often though.

: --- OffRoad 1.9p registered to Stanley Townsend


--

          Mark Wendt "WHERES florida"?
        B.S. Surveying & Mapping May '95
      University of Florida, "Gator Alumni"
       [e-mail]


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[e-mail] (Stanley Townsend)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: M_Boats: For Sale: Sailboat
Date: 09 Oct 1996 14:13:00 -0700


I found this on our internal mail.  If you're looking for a '15 at
what looks to be a great price and it's in your area (I think 916 is
Sacramento, CA), give 'em a call!

happy sailing everyone!

Cliff
(too busy sailing his new Trifoiler to mess with the ole' Montgomery 12
anymore.  Any other '12 owners on this list?)

------------   ORIGINAL ATTACHMENT   --------
SENT 10-08-96 FROM ZEE_WALLY @SNAX


Montgomery 15, 1985 Pocket Cruiser, cabin for 2, roomy cockpit, great
for bay or delta.  Complete in all respects including Suzuki OB and
trailer.  Asking for $3500.

Please direct questions to my father-in-law.  Call Bob at
[phone].

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From: Randolph I Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: M23 Winch
Date: 14 Oct 1996  7:59:23 EST


I did find an identifying mark on the centerboard winch on our M23.  It has
an "R" and "C" with a fisherman's anchor in between.  Does anyone have an
idea what brand this may be?  Someone suggested that it was made in New
Zealand.  Apparently, it is a Model 77 as those numbers are stamped on the
inside on a couple of pieces.  >> Randy P.


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From: [e-mail] (John Anastasio)
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 Winch
Date: 14 Oct 1996 07:29:19 -0700

>I did find an identifying mark on the centerboard winch on our M23.  It has
>an "R" and "C" with a fisherman's anchor in between.  Does anyone have an
>idea what brand this may be?  Someone suggested that it was made in New
>Zealand.  Apparently, it is a Model 77 as those numbers are stamped on the
>inside on a couple of pieces.  >> Randy P.

Randy,
  My M17 centerboard winch is an A-R-C-O but there is no anchor.

   John Anastasio
   M17 "Harmony"



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From: Keith Diehl <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: Forwarded message from Jim Kimmet
Date: 14 Oct 1996 10:33:55 -0600 (MDT)

Jim is a new subscriber with a problem I think most of us share. I just don't
know if there is any solution! <smile>


Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl

<---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->

<snip>  I bought a M17, Blue Skies,  from Ian Ellis here in Minnesota this
spring.  There are a number of modifications that I want to make and I'm
looking forward to communicating with other owners who have already been there.

I need advice on slowing the boat down because so far when I have sailed with
other boats they seem to fall far behind. <snip>

<----  End Forwarded Message  ---->

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From: Jbetts <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Forwarded message from Jim Kimmet
Date: 14 Oct 1996 13:14:03 -0400 (EDT)

I have had much the same problem with my M 7-11, but about six months ago
came up with a solution: Leave the boat in the water so it accumulates
enough mung to retard speed.  The trick is knowing how much to shave off,
however, after a certain amount of bottom accumualtion.

Jack
On Mon, 14 Oct 1996,
Keith Diehl wrote:

> Jim is a new subscriber with a problem I think most of us share. I just don't
> know if there is any solution! <smile>
>
>
> Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
> http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl
>
> <---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
> Date: 12 Oct 96 22:21:23 EDT
> From: jim kimmet <[e-mail]>
> To: Keith Diehl <[e-mail]>
> Subject: Re: Your Subscription to Montgomery Boats
>
> <snip>  I bought a M17, Blue Skies,  from Ian Ellis here in Minnesota this
> spring.  There are a number of modifications that I want to make and I'm
> looking forward to communicating with other owners who have already been there.
>
> I need advice on slowing the boat down because so far when I have sailed with
> other boats they seem to fall far behind. <snip>
>
> <----  End Forwarded Message  ---->
>

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From: "Larry Barkhuff/Nv." <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: M23 winch
Date: 14 Oct 1996 16:49:13 EDT

John the 17 CB winch bears no similarity to the one on the 23, at least on
the 17's I have seen.  The one on mine was basically a normal sheet winch.
The 23 winch was reportedly made in NZ.  I looked in Minneys in Newport
Beach and have looked in the junk drawers in Fort Lauderdale at
Sailorman's, and have not even seen anything that looks like the one for
the 23.    Larry Barkhuff

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From: Randy Sommerfeld <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: slowing a boat down
Date: 15 Oct 1996 05:30:19 -0600 (CST)

I usually try to drag something to slow my M17 down (a small child, an
anchor, or part of my dock).  I have also tried dropping sails(either the
jib or the main, sometimes both) in an effort to slow so other boats can
keep up.  It is rough being the proud owner of of a Montgomery.

Randy Sommerfeld
M17 #30


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From: [e-mail] (Terry Schwarze)
Subject: Re: M_Boats: slowing a boat down
Date: 15 Oct 1996 10:50:34 -0600



Randy offered some good suggestions, but they are all expensive. I on the
other hand have found the ideal solution. primarily because its free. I
never clean the bottom!  I let my M17 sit in its slip all summer and pull
it only before the big freeze. After 4 years, the growth is thick enough to
harvest, providing a twin function. it slows be down considerably, as Randy
can attest to, but it also adds substantial ballast for those very heavy
days.  cheers

terry schwarze
M17 "paradox"



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From: Harvey Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: Sailing Vacation
Date: 15 Oct 1996 23:15:45 EDT

Hi Y'all..

Just got back from our sailing vacation, and it was memorable in many ways.

We stayed at 2 lakes..Lanier near Atlanta, Ga, and Cherokee, 50 miles East of
Knoxville, Tenn.

The 14 inch wheels of the Trailrite trailer are a mixed blessing for me.
They're great on the road..I found myself doing 75 mph at times, hardly noticing
that it was behind me.  Minor bumps and potholes caused nary a bobble to it.
However, it was another story at the launch ramp.  I tow it with a Ford
Aerostar..also with 14 inch wheels.  This ramp had a more gentle slope to it
then the first ramp that I launched from, and we were getting in too deep for
wifemate's peace of mind (it's her van!), so we enlisted the marina's pickup for
launching.

We had a nice sail that first day, using only the main, as winds from the
tropical storm in the Gulf were strong, and wife was apprehensive (so was I <G>)
The GPS showed up to 7 knots boat speed at times.

The 2nd day rained cats and dogs, so no sailing.  3rd day, I flooded the motor,
so I took out a Capri 22 from my sailing club...wind was brisk, so we sailed on
main again.

4th day was great! Sun was out, winds at 10 mph gusting to maybe 15.  We had a
glorious day with main and jib.  Pulled her out of the water then...great fun
with the wind, and it was the first time for me, so I learned a lot here, too.

Went by the house to visit with wife's sister, and let her grandkids climb over
the boat, then went to Tennessee the next day.

Launched Stargazer with my friend's pickup ( I see a pickup in my future) and
had a glorious 2 days sailing on Cherokee. Winds were light, so I could have
used the 150 sail, but my friend's wife was a tad timid, so we used the 100
sail.  Regrettably, his son, who sent me the ad for the M-17,  was not able to
make it, so I'll be going back next spring.

Harvey/ Atl

M-17  Stargazer  #294


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From: Keith Diehl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sailing Vacation
Date: 16 Oct 1996 12:37:16 -0600 (MDT)

I always avoid letting even my trunk tires from touching the brine of the Great
Salt Lake by backing down to the edge of the water, then cranking down the
tongue wheel, unhitching the trailer and letting the trailer roll into the
water using a rope tied to the trailer and wrapped several times around the
hitch ball to keep things under control.

To retrieve, I use the same rope to haul the boat and trailer to the top of the
ramp, where I hitch up and crank up the tongue wheel.

It sounds bad but it works for me!


Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl

On 15 Oct 96, Harvey Wilson <[e-mail]> wrote:
<snip>
>This ramp had a more gentle slope to it then the first ramp that I launched
>from, and we were getting in too deep for wifemate's peace of mind (it's her
>van!), so we enlisted the marina's pickup for launching.



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From: Randolph I Palmer <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: Re: Montgomery owners Newsletter (fwd)
Date: 18 Oct 1996 07:42:03 -0500 (CDT)

I've asked Thom to send me the owners name of the M23.  Northern Breezes
is a regional sailing magazine (upper midwest).  Sailing Breezes is their
Web site (www.sailingbreezes.com).

Randy P.


---------- Forwarded message ----------

Thanks Randy. We'll try and get this into Northern Breezes and
SailingBreezes.com for you Montgomery owners. My partner owns one of the
Montgomery 17's and there's a Montgomery 23 up on Mille Lacs which just got
damaged in a storm. That's about the only thing which hurts a Montgomery
other than car accidents while towing!


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From: Harvey Wilson <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: Bent mast
Date: 19 Oct 1996 22:36:08 EDT

I've noticed that my mast is bent backwards by 7-8 inches.  Any way to
straighted this out ??

I had the mast fall backwards once when I was getting ready to lower it....the
forestay slipped out of my hand, and down it went. Only my pride was hurt....and
the turn latch on the harch door snapped off.  The hatch was closed, and the
teak strips across it bore the brunt of the blow.  Methinks the back strip is
cracked a bit, but it isn't very visible.

Could the fall have bent the mast this much ??

Harvey/Atl
M-17  Stargazer # 294


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From: "Larry Barkhuff/Nv." <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: big List
Date: 21 Oct 1996 18:50:08 EDT

Did Luan ever get the information on the M owners sorted out from the list
he found in the bilge?????   Larry

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From: Keith Diehl <[e-mail]>
Date: 22 Oct 1996 14:24:51 -0600 (MDT)

test

Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl

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From: John W Hansen <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: Re: Hurley Sailboats
Date: 22 Oct 1996 21:14:02 +0100

In message <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
writes
>I'm looking for information on a couple of boats made in the UK by the
>Hurley Company, or their designer, a Mr. Ian Anderson (I think) and I
>hoped maybe some of you folks might be able to help.  The boats were the
>Hurley 18 and the 24/70.
>
>Info such as line drawings, specs, etc very much appreciated. Will be
>happy to reimburse for cost of copying, mailing, etc.
>
>You may answer directly to: [e-mail]. Thanks in advance,
>
>                         Richard Bolin
Richard

You might be able to obtain the required info by writing to the editor:

Rodger Witt,
Practical BoatOwner,
Westover House,
West Quay Road,
Poole,
Dorset BH15 1JG

Their website is: www.ipc.co.uk

Hope this may help as Hurley is no longer.

Regards

Richard

Did this message get through?
--
John W Hansen

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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: first 25 % of BIG ROSTER from 1985, M-boat in UK ?
Date: 22 Oct 1996 18:00:43

Larry wondered  > Did Luan ever get the information on the M owners sorted out
from the list
he found in the bilge?????   Larry

hi, I've scanned and OCR'ed all of it...hmm after checking and correcting the
first 25 % I wonder if it would have been faster had I just typed it in !-)

anyhoo if someone is going to contact a name(s) on the roster, please please
post or email me of the ensuing result, whether negative and positive...so that
I can update this list...yup I volunteer to be the keeper of the roster !-)

by the way, I saw a post from John W Hansen from the UK fly by...does that mean
that there is an M-boat in England ?

Luan
Windsong, 15/81-#147

==================================here it
is==============================================
Randy Krause
978 E. Evelyn av
Sunnyvale, CA 94086
 (15)

Fredrick K. Martin
691 Glencoe rd.
Excelsior, MN 55331
 (17)

Roger Mergendahl
1508 Fulton St.
Wausau, WI 54401
 (17)

William Mueller
415 W. County Rd. B
Roseville, MN 55113
 (17)

L. W. Stover
Rt. 3, BOX 258
Excelsior, MN 55331
 (17)

R. W. Prochnow
Shady Ridge
Hutchinson, MN 55350
 (17)

Roger Nystrom
314 Floral Dr.
Shoreview, MN 55112
 (17)

Scott Henry
2345 M. 190th St #49
Redondo Beach, CA 90278
 (17-376)

Jim Whiting
1322 Third Street
Hudson, WI 54016
 (17)

Harlan Smith
264 River Woods Lane
Burnsville, MN 55337
 (17)

Randy Nelson.
15824 Highwood Dr.
Minnetonka, MN 55343
 (17-040)

David Stephens
724 1Oth St. SW
Rochester, MN 55901
 (17)

Dave Stark
1841 Beechwood Ave.
St, Paul, MN 55116
 (17)

Rodney Rainey
5715 Indian Trail
Houston, TX 77057
 (17)

Ed Weaver
511 Rochou, #1
Houston, TX 77019
 (17)

John Freeman
826 Flint River
Houston, TX 77024
 (17)

Edward Douglas
2122 Robert Rd.
Champaign, IL 61820
 (17)

Charles Kugler
3554 N. Cramer
Shorewood, WI 53211
 (17)

Gerald T. Cremers
5 No, 51 Middle Creek Lane
St. Charles, IL 60174
 (17)

Lee McCan
2669 Edgewood Ln.
Oshkosh, WI 54901
 (17)

Rolann & Ken Aronson
Rt. Box 330
Wofford Heights, CA 93285
 (17)

Scott Bowen
2404 F. Still Forest Pl.
Raleigh, NC 27607
 (17-257)

Gilbert R. Beck
3536 Wister St.
Milwaukee OR 97222
  (17-541)
            .
Ed & Judith Cole-Martin
706 W. Myrtle
Visalia, CA 93277
         (23-076)

Bob L. Donoho
146 Oakside
Universal City TX 78234
 (17)

Russell Robinson
3330 N. Webster Pl.
Tucson, AZ 85715
 (17)

Walker Horn
321 20th Ave. N. Circle
Texas City, TX 75590
 (17)

Richard Konover
907 Alton Rd.
Port Charlotte,
FL 33952
 (17)

Guy Staub
9927 Jefferson HWY.
Baton Rouge, LA 70808
 (17-212)

Edward Brodie
10010 Memorial Dr. #102
Houston, TX 77024
 (17-203)

Robert White
1803 Carter Creek
Bryan, TX 77801
 (17-043)

Glen Stevenson
4320 Bull Creek #224
Austin, TX 78731
 (17)

Joe Campbell
403 B. Oevili
Austin, TX
 (17-086)

Edger L. Smith
500 Spillar Lane
Austin, TX 78746
 (17-014

Norman Palmer
8100 So. Kirkwood, Ste. 207
Houston, TX 77072
 (17-611

Don Sanford
2020 Fullerton Ave, #29
Costa Mesa, CA 92627
 (17)

John Davis, Jr.
2838 Woodlawn Ave.
San Marino, CA 91108
 (17)

Jerry Duke
18828 Tribune St.
Northridge, CA 91326
 (17-0981

John Simonton
16862 Stiles Circle
HuntingtonBeach, CA 92649
 (17)

Keith Ward
2735 E. Wilson
Orange, CA 92667
 (17)

Chuck Nelson
635 W. Baker, Apt. 201
Goat Hill, CA 92626
 (17)

James Winn
22040 Visconio Road
Woodland Hills, CA 91364
 (17)

John West
3089 Deep Canyon Drive
Beverley Hills, CA 90210
 (17)

Willis Hutchason
5338 Fountain Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90029
 (17)

Tom Ashby
1440 S. State College Bld. #3J
Anaheim, CA 92806
 (17)

John Richardson
2031 N. Tulare Way
Upland CA 91786
 (17)

Tom Fried
39922 ->BLURRED  Paseo de Elena
San Juan Capistrano CA 92675
 (17)

Robert B. Synhorst
#3 Graeler Dr.
Creve Coeur, MO 63141
 (17)

Brad Anderson
3833 9th Ave. N.
Anoka, MN 55303
 (17)

Dave Bouley
6316 Grand Ave. S.
Minneapolis, MN 55423
 (17)

Robert Cragg
3610 Woodcroft
Minnetonka, MN 55343
 (17)

Jim Hillis
Rt. 3, BOX 732
Excelsior, MN  55331
 (17)

Eric Drucher
1505 Lydia Ave.
Roseville, MN 55113
 (17)

Craig Johnson
2225 Maple View
St. Paul, MN 55109
 (17)

Phil Koppenberg
box 325
St Bonifacisus MN  55375
 (17)

Kim Larson
8232 Stevens Av. S
Bloomington, MN 55420
 (17)

Ron Kokesh
4481 Hunters Ridge Rd
Minnetonka, MN  55343
 (17)

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From: KinhLuan Nguyenngoc  <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: continuing trailer saga
Date: 23 Oct 1996 10:28:17

Keith informed  > I always avoid letting even my trunk tires from touching the
brine of the Great
Salt Lake by backing down to the edge of the water, then cranking down the
tongue wheel, unhitching the trailer and letting the trailer roll into the
water using a rope tied to the trailer and wrapped several times around the
hitch ball to keep things under control.
It sounds bad but it works for me!

hi I have been thinking of the same idea !  I was wondering :

-  whether Keith uses the ball as a block...not having particularly strong
arms, I was thinking of using the trailer winch to slip the
   trailer into the water

- whether Keith has a fancier tongue wheel, with a rubber tire perhaps ? I have
the standard cheap metal wheel, which
tends
to get sideways

Bob had another tip  > I replaced the front molded rubber trailer roller with a
polyurethane roller
on my trailrite trailer and it really helped in launching and recovery.  Now
I can roll my M15 off even if the boat is not all the way on the trailer, and
hand winch the last foot or so in recovery.

hi I checked my M15's trailer and it has only 2 rollers...if it's not that
costly, I wonder whether replacing both will help further...by the way, are
these poly rollers available at the trailer outfits ?

keep all these tips coming

Luan
Windsong, 15/81-#147

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From: [e-mail] (Keith Diehl)
Subject: Re: M_Boats: continuing trailer saga
Date: 23 Oct 1996 23:56:33 GMT

On 23 Oct 96 10:28:17 , you wrote:

>Keith informed  > I always avoid letting even my trunk tires from =
touching the=20
>brine of the Great=20
>Salt Lake by backing down to the edge of the water, then cranking down =
the=20
>tongue wheel, unhitching the trailer and letting the trailer roll into =
the=20
>water using a rope tied to the trailer and wrapped several times around =
the=20
>hitch ball to keep things under control.
>It sounds bad but it works for me!
>
>hi I have been thinking of the same idea !  I was wondering :
>
>-  whether Keith uses the ball as a block...not having particularly =
strong=20
>arms, I was thinking of using the trailer winch to slip the
>   trailer into the water

I'm able to get several wraps around the ball (I'm using an old 11mm
rock climbing rope) and that provides enough friction that I can
control things at the ramp I use.
>
>- whether Keith has a fancier tongue wheel, with a rubber tire perhaps ?=
 I have=20
>the standard cheap metal wheel, which=20
>tends                                                                   =
                                           =20
>to get sideways       =20

I manually turn the wheel to point in the right direction before I let
thing s rip! It's a plain old metal wheel that I expect to snap off
one of these days...but so far it's doing fine.


Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl

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From: Keith Diehl <[e-mail]>
Date: 23 Oct 1996 18:52:01 -0600 (MDT)

I've updated the info file with instructions for viewing the list archive
files. You can retrieve the info file any time by sending the message

->  info montgomery_boats

to [e-mail]. (Don't send the -> that's in any of the examples)

I've included the current file below.


Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: M_Boats: Richard Bolin/Hurley boats
Date: 23 Oct 1996 23:43:14 -0400

Richard,
 Here is some information on the Ian Anderson designs built by Hurley Yachts,
Ltd. (These are from a 1974 publication.
 Hurley 17: designed 1965; LOA: 17'; beam: 6'6"; draft 3'; displacement: 1200
lbs.; ballast: 500 lbs. swing keel; sail area: 75 + 65 = 140; hull:
fiberglass; deck: fiberglass; spars: aluminum; 4 berths in one cabin; marine
head.
 Hurley 18: designed 1965; LOA: 18'6'; LWL:16'; beam: 6'8"; draft 3'3";
displacement 1,000 lbs; sail area: 100 + 80 = 180; hull and deck: fiberglass;
spars: aluminum; 3 berths in one cabin; pump sink; marine toilet.
 Hurley 20: designed 1965; LOA 20'; LWL: 18'; beam: 7'1"; draft: 2'6";
displacement: 2450 lbs; ballast: 1,000 lbs.; sail area: 100 + 85 = 185: hull
and deck: fiberglass; spar: aluminum; 4 berths in one cabin; sink; marine
toilet.
 Hurley 22: designed 1965; LOA: 22'; LWL: 18'; beam: 7'5"; draft: 3'9"  fin
keel; displacement: 4300 lbs.; ballast: 2300 lbs.; sail area: 118 + 122 =
240.; hull and deck: fiberglass; spars: aluminum; 4 berths in two cabins;
sink; marine head.
 Hurley 24: designed 1971;LOA: 23'7"' LWL: 19'; beam 7'8"; draft 3'6";
displacement: 4900; ballast: 2300; sail area: 128 + 140 = 268; full and deck:
fiberglass; spar: aluminum: 4 berths in two cabins; sins w/pump; enclosed
head; aux: 7 hp. Petter diesel.
 There was also  27 designed in 1971.  Let me know if you want those specs.
 I hope there are not too many typos.  Bert (Kokopelli)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: M_Boats: questions about 17's
Date: 24 Oct 1996 22:52:09 -0400

 I will probably switch to a Montgomery 17 after next summer or possibly the
summer after.  When did the cap rail go from aluminum to wood?  What years
had the 3 berths with the mini galley?  Which years had the stern locker for
a gas tank?
 I want to use my 15 to go to British Columbia next summer and possibly
Mexico the summer after.  The Mexico trip isn't that definite because it will
be extremely hot in July and August.
 Have any of you left your 17's in the water for prolonged periods of time?
 Have any of you left your 15 in the water for prolonged periods of time?
 Did any problems arise.  Bert (Kokopelli)


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: M_Boats: questions about 17's
Date: 25 Oct 1996 11:14:51 -0400

Dear Bert -
I just joined this group this week.  My name is Mike Frederick and I own an
M17 that I believe was built is 1985 and sold as a 1986.  I do not know the
model - range - year features, but my boat has a stern/fuel locker, wooden
cap rails, three berths, and a mini-galley.  I have owned the boat four years
and I am very happy with its layout.  I store it in my backyard on an EZ
Loader trailer.  To my knowledge it has never been in the water for more than
one week.  I have been advised that it is best to fiberglass the wooden
rudder for extended mooring.
Happy Sailing, Mike.

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From: Keith Diehl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: questions about 17's
Date: 25 Oct 1996 12:06:23 -0600 (MDT)



On Thu, 24 Oct 1996, [e-mail] wrote:
<snip>
> Have any of you left your 17's in the water for prolonged periods of time?
> Have any of you left your 15 in the water for prolonged periods of time?
> Did any problems arise.  Bert (Kokopelli)

Here's a plug for the newsletter. One of the first issues has a history of the
17, including when design features such as the cap rail were changed. I'll dig
it out if you don't have it.

My boat (and Dick Algire's) stay in the water of the Great Salt Lake all
summer. In two years, I've had no problems other than algae growth. Dick has
been doing this for years, decades, even eons! (sorry 'bout that, Dick <smile>)
and I don't think he's had a problem.

Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: M_Boats: one more 17 question
Date: 26 Oct 1996 12:13:37 -0400

I forgot to ask one question.  When did the center board change from iron to
fiberglass? (What year?)  Thanks, Bert (Kokopelli)

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: M_Boats: questions about 17's
Date: 26 Oct 1996 16:29:09 -0400

Keith,  I would appreciate you sending me a copy of the history of the 17.
 Thank you, Bert.

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: M_Boats: Terry/ your questions
Date: 26 Oct 1996 16:40:45 -0400

Terry, I will certainly do an article on my trip to B.C. this coming summer.
 I'm sailing in tandum with another 15 owned by Scott Grometer.  This last
summer my wife and I trailed our boat to Jackson Lake, Wyoming.  We staying
aboard for 5 nights.  If you think people would be interested, I'll do an
article including how to make the 15 more liveable.  Bert

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From: Keith Diehl <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: questions about 17's
Date: 26 Oct 1996 15:44:23 -0600 (MDT)

You've got it as soon as I can find it in my "filing system".

Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl

On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, [e-mail] wrote:
>Keith,  I would appreciate you sending me a copy of the history of the 17.
> Thank you, Bert.


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: M_Boats: questions about 17's
Date: 26 Oct 1996 19:02:35 -0400

Keith, I didn't give you my mailing address. If you need it, it's Bert
Felton, 6241 Thornhill Drive, Oakland, CA 94611.  Thanks, Bert

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From: Randy Sommerfeld <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: In the water
Date: 26 Oct 1996 20:10:21 -0600 (CST)

I keep my M-17 in the water all summer long, with the few exceptions for
trailering it elsewhere...  The keeping it in the water does not seem to the
bother the wooden rudder, actually its the prop on my outboard that killing
it...don't think fiberglass would help..

Just pulled it out for the Winter....hated to give in to the changing of the
seasons.

My M-17 is 1979, with the sink and galley, with three berths.  No stern
compartment, which would be great.

Randy Sommerfeld
M17 #30


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: M_Boats: questions about 17's
Date: 27 Oct 1996 02:38:11 -0500

Bert,

I leave my M17 in the water year-round on a freshwater lake.  I haven't had
any problems associated with leaving it in.  I did have blisters two years
ago, but I believe that was due to water getting in as a result of a problem
I had with the keel.  I do have a bottom on..interlux system with VC 17,
which seems to work well down here (SC).  I will pull the boat next Spring,
cleam the bottom (see below) and put on another coat.

I do trailer the boat a fair amount..took it to the east coast Montgomery
rendezvous on the Chesapeake this September.  I usually take it to a self
service car wash, and clean the bottom with the high pressure spray..cost
about $3.

But I haven't experenced any problems with leaving it in the water.

John


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: M_Boats: In the water
Date: 27 Oct 1996 11:01:16 -0500

My M-17 stays in the water as long as I can keep it there, with no ill
effects. I scraped and repainted this spring, I think that it had been 5 or 6
years since that had happened. (I bought it in the summer of '94). I replaced
the rudder at the beginning of '95, having hit a submerged tree and
shattering the old one at the end of the previous season. The old rudder
seemed a bit soft, but I cannot attribute that to being left in the water.
 My boat is a '78, with the three berth and mini galley layout, and an
aluminum toerail. Hope this helps, TH.

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From: [e-mail] (Terry Schwarze)
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Terry/ your questions
Date: 28 Oct 1996 10:17:11 -0600

>Terry, I will certainly do an article on my trip to B.C. this coming summer.
> I'm sailing in tandum with another 15 owned by Scott Grometer.  This last
>summer my wife and I trailed our boat to Jackson Lake, Wyoming.  We staying
>aboard for 5 nights.  If you think people would be interested, I'll do an
>article including how to make the 15 more liveable.  Bert

Bert,  Thanks, and yes, I know evreryone would enjoy an article on modifing
the M's. I've already had a number of requests for such info.  Look forward
to them.
Terry



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From: Keith Diehl <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: CRASH!
Date: 29 Oct 1996 13:46:12 -0700 (MST)


There was a crash of the list server this morning and some messages were not
distributed. I've lumped everything together below and think that nothing was
lost. If you've sent a message and haven't received it back from the list and
if it's not included below, please re-submit it.

The list subscriber file was also damaged and I had to re-create it. Sorry if
you have unsubscribed and find that you're back on the list, just unsubscribe
again.

If you thought you were subscribed and find that you're not, well that's
harder. I hope no one was inadvertently dropped.

Keith Diehl -- Salt Lake City
http://www.xmission.com/~kdiehl


========================

Message-ID: <[e-mail]>

I had a great time last week sailing my M17 around between Sausalito, the
Golden
Gate, San Francisco Pier 39/Marina Park, Angel Island, and Alcatraz.
Encountered all kinds of weather.  Sailed with friends and sailed solo.  The
boat performed flawlessly.  The only improvement I could ask for is a swing-up
fiberglass keel to replace the solid mahogany one I have now.  Does anyone know
where I can get one to fit a 1974 vintage M17?

=================

Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
X-Mailer: Juno 1.00
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I'm looking for information on a couple of boats made in the UK by the
Hurley Company, or their designer, a Mr. Ian Anderson (I think) and I
hoped maybe some of you folks might be able to help.  The boats were the
Hurley 18 and the 24/70.

Info such as line drawings, specs, etc very much appreciated. Will be
happy to reimburse for cost of copying, mailing, etc.

You may answer directly to: [e-mail]. Thanks in advance,

                         Richard Bolin

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In message <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
writes
>I'm looking for information on a couple of boats made in the UK by the
>Hurley Company, or their designer, a Mr. Ian Anderson (I think) and I
>hoped maybe some of you folks might be able to help.  The boats were the
>Hurley 18 and the 24/70.
>
>Info such as line drawings, specs, etc very much appreciated. Will be
>happy to reimburse for cost of copying, mailing, etc.
>
>You may answer directly to: [e-mail]. Thanks in advance,
>
>                         Richard Bolin
Richard

You might be able to obtain the required info by writing to the editor:

Rodger Witt,
Practical BoatOwner,
Westover House,
West Quay Road,
Poole,
Dorset BH15 1JG

Their website is: www.ipc.co.uk

Hope this may help as Hurley is no longer.

Regards
--
John W Hansen

=============

In message <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
writes
>I'm looking for information on a couple of boats made in the UK by the
>Hurley Company, or their designer, a Mr. Ian Anderson (I think) and I
>hoped maybe some of you folks might be able to help.  The boats were the
>Hurley 18 and the 24/70.
>
>Info such as line drawings, specs, etc very much appreciated. Will be
>happy to reimburse for cost of copying, mailing, etc.
>
>You may answer directly to: [e-mail]. Thanks in advance,
>
>                         Richard Bolin
Richard

You might be able to obtain the required info by writing to the editor:

Rodger Witt,
Practical BoatOwner,
Westover House,
West Quay Road,
Poole,
Dorset BH15 1JG

Their website is: www.ipc.co.uk

Hope this may help as Hurley is no longer.

Regards


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: M_Boats: Re: Kick - up rudder
Date: 29 Oct 1996 22:07:21 -0500

In his post of  22 Oct 96 , John Crews says:
>I had a great time last week sailing my M17 around between Sausalito, the
>Golden
>Gate, San Francisco Pier 39/Marina Park, Angel Island, and Alcatraz.
>Encountered all kinds of weather.  Sailed with friends and sailed solo.  The
>boat performed flawlessly.  The only improvement I could ask for is a
swing-up
>fiberglass keel to replace the solid mahogany one I have now.  Does anyone
know
>where I can get one to fit a 1974 vintage M17?

I assume that John is refering to his rudder, and I am also very interested
in this retrofit. I would like to here from anyone who has replaced the
sliding rudder with a kick-up one. I notice that Annapolis Launch and Dinghy,
the current builder of the M Boats is offering this as an aftermarket
accessory. Any comments? TH

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From: [e-mail] (John Anastasio)
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: Kick - up rudder
Date: 29 Oct 1996 23:21:23 -0800

>In his post of  22 Oct 96 , John Crews says:
>>I had a great time last week sailing my M17 around between Sausalito, the
>>Golden
>>Gate, San Francisco Pier 39/Marina Park, Angel Island, and Alcatraz.
>>Encountered all kinds of weather.  Sailed with friends and sailed solo.  The
>>boat performed flawlessly.  The only improvement I could ask for is a
>swing-up
>>fiberglass keel to replace the solid mahogany one I have now.  Does anyone
>know
>>where I can get one to fit a 1974 vintage M17?
>
>I assume that John is refering to his rudder, and I am also very interested
>in this retrofit. I would like to here from anyone who has replaced the
>sliding rudder with a kick-up one. I notice that Annapolis Launch and Dinghy,
>the current builder of the M Boats is offering this as an aftermarket
>accessory. Any comments? TH

Unfortunately, I am not aware of any boats or other products that have
actually been produced by AL&D. Does anybody have any information to the
contrary?



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From: "Larry Barkhuff/Nv." <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: 17 JIB
Date: 30 Oct 1996 20:02:50 EST

Does anyone happen to know the measurements of a 17 jib without going to
the trouble of measuring?  does anyone have an old one or a spare one that
is not being used at the present time?  Thanks....Larry

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From: John Crews <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: 17 Rudder retrofit
Date: 30 Oct 1996 21:56:00 EST

Several days ago I posted a message inquiring about a replacement fiberglass
keel for my existing mahogany item.  Don't typos just have a way of making you
seem like a total idiot?  Of course I meant rudder rather than keel.  If I had a
swing-up rudder I could have avoided some negative experiences both on the
launch ramp and in shallow water.  Does anyone know where I could get this
rudder for my 1974 M17?  Also, has anyone had any positive experiences with a
4-stroke outboard on this boat?  My old Johnson 4-hp 2-cycle is annoyingly loud.


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From: "Larry Barkhuff/Nv." <[e-mail]>
Subject: M_Boats: ALD boats
Date: 30 Oct 1996 20:07:06 EST

for what its worth, this past weekend I saw an advertisement for the
"Magnificent Montgomeries are Back" in a boating mag in California.  But I
have not seen a boat that has been produced by the new owners.  and the ad
only spokie of the 15 and 17 no mention of the 23.    Larry

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: M_Boats: ALD boats
Date: 31 Oct 1996 14:24:12 -0800

Larry Barkhuff/Nv. wrote:
>
> for what its worth, this past weekend I saw an advertisement for the
> "Magnificent Montgomeries are Back" in a boating mag in California.  But I
> have not seen a boat that has been produced by the new owners.  and the ad
> only spokie of the 15 and 17 no mention of the 23.    Larry

Larry:
  Do you recall the name of the Magazine?
            Rich Cottrell

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: M_Boats: ALD boats
Date: 31 Oct 1996 22:46:51 -0500

It's in Sailing magazine.  Bert (Kokopelli)