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From: Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck@juno.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corvallis
Date: 01 Nov 2000 19:50:24 -0500
Fran,
How about considering the Lake Champlain area. The lake itself is 136
miles long, and about 7 miles waide at it's widest point.
The northern tip is in Canada, and it's only a short ride to Montreal.
On the Vermont side you have Vermont's Green Mountains: on the New York
side are the Adirondaks; gentle rolling hills that make a lovely backdrop
to the lake.
Sailing is excellent: very few powerboats, except for the fishermen
trolling for lake trout and salmon. PWCs are occasionally there, but go
out into the middle of the lake and it's all yours; the PWCers won't
follow you out there.
Essex, NY where we stay, has mostly sailboats owned by people from
Montreal. As of Friday evening, language on the dock is all French. The
marina also has a very good French restaurant.
The surroundings are small villages; farms; and a very pleasant place to
spend some time.
In winter, it's not very far to a number of good skiing areas: Lake
Placid in New York; and Stowe in Vermont; or Mount Tremblant in Quebec.
Them's my two cents worth.
Connie
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From: Matthew Welland <matt@essentialgoods.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corvallis (OT Lake Champlain)
Date: 31 Oct 2000 21:19:56 -0500
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I haven't followed this thread too closely but noticed the mention of
Burlington/Vermont/Lake Champlain and thought I'd make a comment or
two.
We moved here from Beaverton Oregon (Portland area) and just love it.
I bought an O'day 192 which only got sailed four or five times on
Lake Champlain this past summer but it sure was pretty when we did
get out. Oregon is stunningly beautiful but Vermont is a better fit
for me. I'd much rather have snow than drizzle. If you have any
questions about the area I'd be glad to answer them - perhaps off
list since it may not be of general interest. BTW: if anyone brings
their M17 to Lake Champlain or has one hear I'd love an opportunity
to see it.
Matt
- --
On Wednesday 01 November 2000 07:50 pm, you wrote:
> Fran,
>
> How about considering the Lake Champlain area. The lake itself is
> 136 miles long, and about 7 miles waide at it's widest point.
>
> The northern tip is in Canada, and it's only a short ride to
> Montreal.
>
> On the Vermont side you have Vermont's Green Mountains: on the New
> York side are the Adirondaks; gentle rolling hills that make a
> lovely backdrop to the lake.
>
> Sailing is excellent: very few powerboats, except for the
> fishermen trolling for lake trout and salmon. PWCs are
> occasionally there, but go out into the middle of the lake and it's
> all yours; the PWCers won't follow you out there.
>
> Essex, NY where we stay, has mostly sailboats owned by people from
> Montreal. As of Friday evening, language on the dock is all
> French. The marina also has a very good French restaurant.
>
> The surroundings are small villages; farms; and a very pleasant
> place to spend some time.
>
> In winter, it's not very far to a number of good skiing areas:
> Lake Placid in New York; and Stowe in Vermont; or Mount Tremblant
> in Quebec.
>
> Them's my two cents worth.
>
> Connie
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From: Matthew Welland <matt@essentialgoods.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corvallis
Date: 31 Oct 2000 21:29:38 -0500
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On Wednesday 31 December 1969 07:00 pm, you wrote:
> Connie,
>
> I drove past there once a few years back and I agree, it is a nice
> place. I wonder, is it a very expensive area to live?
With respect to the Burlington area I'd say its a lateral move from
Oregon overall. Housing can be very expensive and hard to find.
Looking a little further out of town (rural) and the price drops
significantly. I don't know what the NY side is like.
> Another
> plus is that one would be only a few hours drive from coastal Maine
> OR eastern Lake Ontario's Thousand Islands area. Great locale for a
> trailer sailor. As to the PWC's, from what I've heard I get the
> impression they must all congregate down at Lake George?
I bought my boat in Rochester, NY and towed it back to Vermont - came
throught the Lake George area and thought it looked very pretty -
well worth going back to explore some time.
Matt -- who foolishly got the center board pendant wrapped around the
center board and thence jammed back into the center board case and
won't be doing any sailing until he figures out how to hoist 1500 lbs
of boat up into the air and jank it free..... :-(
- --
> Lake George, NY Park:
> http://www.park-net.com/usa/ny/glen/index.html
>
> Tod
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From: Fran Lebowitz <dlebowitz@sprintmail.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Re:Lake Champlain
Date: 01 Nov 2000 19:56:59 -0700
Conbert H Benneck wrote:
>
> How about considering the Lake Champlain area...
Connie,
Sounds like an area with alot going for it. I lived in NY for 20 years
and came to CA to escape the winter. I'd be fine in an area of mild
winters. I'd really like to live in Maine, but the long, cold winters
scare me off. Thanks for the beautiful picture you painted of the Lake
Champlain area, though. Perhaps a visit is in order some summer in the future.
Fran
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From: Lee <lee@gnrac.net>
Subject: M_Boats: For Sale
Date: 02 Nov 2000 07:24:08 -0800
Serious illness forces sale.
1985 M15 #326
Four beautiful sails: Two mains (one is a little used full batten),
a working jib, and a 180% genie
Nissan 3.5hp, w/forward and neutral (has only nine hours on it).
Porta potty
Two new anchors, new chains, new line.
New Offshore vest, and others
Bulkhead compass
Plus miscellaneous extra line, extinguisher, horns, etc.
Boat is in excellent condition, everything sound and no crazing.
All sails professionally recondition to new condition
Trailer has new fenders, springs, and tongue extender.
$5,000 takes all.
Camano Island, WA 360 387-9616 or lee@gnrac.net
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From: Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck@juno.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corvallis
Date: 02 Nov 2000 19:51:58 -0500
Tod,
I have no feel for the living costs in the Lake Champlain area. The
locals are farmers, and people working in small factories, and shops. We
are only there for two weeks to go sailing, and stay at a B&B.
The summer visitors can support the large houses, but they head south
when school starts again, and the weather gets colder.
From Lake Champlain to Maine is all cross country through the Vermont and
New Hampshire mountains: no Interstates! It's slow, but doable.
From Lake Champlain to the Thousand Islands or to Georgian Bay on Lake
Huron isn't bad. You have to go back down to Albany and then pick up the
New York State Throughway heading west. An easy drive.
My wife and I were heading to Lake George one time with the boat in tow,
but all we saw at the Lake George marinas were power boats. Masts were
hard to find. In view of all the power boats, outboards, and most likely
also PWCs, we said enough, and kept right on driving till we got to Lake
Champlain. I have no desire to sail in Lake George and play slalom pole
for power boats in my M15.....
The last time I was there, which was pre WWII, I had a foldboat, and it
was quiet and peacefull: camping on the islands, and paddling over to
the resorts where the girls were. Now, to judge from what we observed,
it's a powerboat zoo - the more power the better. Thanks, but no thanks!
Lake Champlain is still quiet and peaceful, even on the weekends, when
all the Montrealers arrive, since they all have sailboats, and are out
sailing too. The only problem is that the language at the marina
suddenly is French, but, along with the language, you get good bread,
good French food; good French wines - and a nice place to sail. T'ain't
bad!
Connie
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From: Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck@juno.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re:Lake Champlain
Date: 02 Nov 2000 19:57:15 -0500
Fran,
Winters on Lake Champlain can be rough: cold, windy and lots of snow.
That's the time to head for Florida until the weather improves, and wait
until it's time to head north again, and enjoy the lovely summers!
Connie
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From: Peter Jacobs <pjacobs@islandnet.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 02 Nov 2000 17:58:30 -0800
Maybe someone can clarify this for me:
"Weight" is what the boat actually weighs
and
"Displacement" is the weight of the water the boat displaces when in the
water
Right?
The reason I'm asking is that I'm trying to size a boat trailer that's
made for one boat to another boat of similar size.
Thanks!
-Peter-
--
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Peter Jacobs, M17 "Enfin"
Victoria BC Canada
http://www.islandnet.com/~pjacobs/homepage.htm
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From: Doug Kelch <dkelch@cox.rr.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Serendipty center board
Date: 02 Nov 2000 21:11:45 -0500
The wonders of the Mlist is paying off again. Bob Egg related that Dale
William might not be able to use the centerboard he bought and I didn't
have Dales email address so I posted a message on the Mlist.
Dale responded with a willingness to sell and in conversations about the
short MN season I mentioned that I was going to Fargo ND on a business
trip on Monday. Lo and behold his parents live in Fargo and he was
going to visit them this week end. Voila! His parents will drop it off
at the hotel and I'll lug the CB on the plane and be back in full
business ( I've been sailing without it) in a week or two.
Doug
"Seas the Day" - soon to be reboarded.
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From: Robert Eeg <bobeeg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Serendipty center board
Date: 02 Nov 2000 18:45:13 +0000
Doug
Cool...everything works out....great!
Fair winds
Bob
Nor'Sea
Doug Kelch wrote:
> The wonders of the Mlist is paying off again. Bob Egg related that Dale
> William might not be able to use the centerboard he bought and I didn't
> have Dales email address so I posted a message on the Mlist.
> Dale responded with a willingness to sell and in conversations about the
> short MN season I mentioned that I was going to Fargo ND on a business
> trip on Monday. Lo and behold his parents live in Fargo and he was
> going to visit them this week end. Voila! His parents will drop it off
> at the hotel and I'll lug the CB on the plane and be back in full
> business ( I've been sailing without it) in a week or two.
>
> Doug
> "Seas the Day" - soon to be reboarded.
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From: "Bill Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Re:Lake Champlain
Date: 02 Nov 2000 19:49:50 -0500
Fran,
As a native of Western NY, I feel qualified to explain that it's tough to
plan a visit to that part of the world during the summer. You never know
which weekend it will be, only that it usually occurs between Memorial Day
and Labor Day.
Bill Riker
M-15 #184
Storm Petrel
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From: "Roberta & Mark Dvorscak" <edarts@rosenet.net>
Subject: M_Boats: head sails
Date: 02 Nov 2000 19:11:04 -0800
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M17 #400
GRACE
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From: Fran Lebowitz <dlebowitz@sprintmail.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Corn Valley,etc. info
Date: 02 Nov 2000 20:31:01 -0700
> Wow!
> Thanks to all who wrote about the Corvallis/Oregon area. Being
> residents, your comments are valuable. I appreciate y'all taking the
> time to write.
> With gratitude,
> Fran
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From: sparsons@canby.com (Steve Parsons)
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corn Valley,etc. info
Date: 02 Nov 2000 21:24:52 -0800
Fran,
If you're serious about migrating north, be sure and check with your family
physician. If you can't grow webs between the toes, it's a tough place:-)
Steve
>
>
>> Wow!
>> Thanks to all who wrote about the Corvallis/Oregon area. Being
>> residents, your comments are valuable. I appreciate y'all taking the
>> time to write.
>> With gratitude,
>> Fran
>
>
>
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From: mikit <mikit@pioneer-net.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corn Valley,etc. info
Date: 02 Nov 2000 23:45:44 -0700
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Fran,
Don't take too seriously the comments on Oregon's wet cold dreary
winters, the need for web feet etc. It's the same ploy the Vikings
used when they named the green island Iceland and the Ice Island
Greenland. The objective, to mislead the Californians to move
elsewhere. The wettest winters I ever encountered were the summers I
spent in Pennsylvania growing up. An unusual mix of precipitation and
perspiration.
Mike
M-17 #369
>Fran,
>
>If you're serious about migrating north, be sure and check with your family
>physician. If you can't grow webs between the toes, it's a tough place:-)
>
>Steve
>
>>
>>
>>> Wow!
>>> Thanks to all who wrote about the Corvallis/Oregon area. Being
>>> residents, your comments are valuable. I appreciate y'all taking the
>>> time to write.
>>> With gratitude,
>>> Fran
>>
>>
>>
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<div>Fran,</div>
<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="-2"
color="#000000"><br></font></div>
<div><font face="Times" size="-4" color="#000000">Don't take too
seriously the comments on Oregon's wet cold dreary winters, the
need for web feet etc. It's the same ploy the Vikings used when
they named the green island Iceland and the Ice Island Greenland. The
objective, to mislead the Californians to move elsewhere. The wettest
winters I ever encountered were the summers I spent in Pennsylvania
growing up. An unusual mix of precipitation and
perspiration.</font></div>
<div><font face="Times" size="-4" color="#000000"><br>
Mike</font></div>
<div><font face="Times" size="-4" color="#000000">M-17 #369</font><br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite>Fran,<br>
<br>
If you're serious about migrating north, be sure and check with your
family<br>
physician. If you can't grow webs between the toes, it's a
tough place:-)<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Wow!<br>
>> Thanks to all who wrote about the
Corvallis/Oregon area. Being<br>
>> residents, your comments are valuable. I appreciate
y'all taking the<br>
>> time to write.<br>
>> With gratitude,<br>
>> Fran<br>
><br>
><br>
></blockquote>
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From: mikit <mikit@pioneer-net.com>
Subject: Fwd: Re: M_Boats: Corn Valley,etc. info
Date: 02 Nov 2000 23:57:57 -0700
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>To: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com
>From: mikit <mikit@pioneer-net.com>
>Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corn Valley,etc. info
>Sender: owner-montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com
>Reply-To: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com
>Status:
I'll try again, for some reason my font shrunk. Must have gotten wet.
>
>Fran,
>
>Don't take too seriously the comments on Oregon's wet cold dreary
>winters, the need for web feet etc. It's the same ploy the Vikings
>used when they named the green island Iceland and the Ice Island
>Greenland. The objective, to mislead the Californians to move
>elsewhere. The wettest winters I ever encountered were the summers I
>spent in Pennsylvania growing up. An unusual mix of precipitation
>and perspiration.
>
>Mike
>M-17 #369
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>Fran,
>>
>>If you're serious about migrating north, be sure and check with your family
>>physician. If you can't grow webs between the toes, it's a tough place:-)
>>
>>Steve
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wow!
>>>> Thanks to all who wrote about the Corvallis/Oregon area. Being
>>>> residents, your comments are valuable. I appreciate y'all taking the
>>>> time to write.
>>>> With gratitude,
>>>> Fran
>>>
>>>
>>>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times New Roman" size="-2"
color="#000000"><br></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times" color="#000000">Don't
take too seriously the comments on Oregon's wet cold dreary winters,
the need for web feet etc. It's the same ploy the Vikings used when
they named the green island Iceland and the Ice Island Greenland. The
objective, to mislead the Californians to move elsewhere. The wettest
winters I ever encountered were the summers I spent in Pennsylvania
growing up. An unusual mix of precipitation and
perspiration.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times" size="-4"
color="#000000"><br>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font face="Times" color="#000000">M-17
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><br>
<blockquote type="cite" cite>Fran,<br>
<br>
If you're serious about migrating north, be sure and check with your
family<br>
physician. If you can't grow webs between the toes, it's a
tough place:-)<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Wow!<br>
>> Thanks to all who wrote about the
Corvallis/Oregon area. Being<br>
>> residents, your comments are valuable. I appreciate
y'all taking the<br>
>> time to write.<br>
>> With gratitude,<br>
>> Fran<br>
><br>
><br>
></blockquote>
</blockquote>
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From: TOMMYVAL@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corn Valley,etc. info
Date: 03 Nov 2000 11:10:33 EST
Hi Fran,
Have you given any consideration to the chesapeake Bay area. Winters are very
managable and the sailing is outstanding. In my opinion the Bay is the finest
sailing
available and there is musch to explore and a ton of history. The 15 is more
than
capable to handle the Bay.
anyway, just a thought for you.
Take care
Gary
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From: "Morris, Giles" <giles.morris@unisys.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 03 Nov 2000 10:27:15 -0600
>"Weight" is what the boat actually weighs and
>"Displacement" is the weight of the water the boat displaces when in the
water
>Right?
It should be, unless we're talking about a submerged submarine -- which must
weigh more than it displaces to avoid popping up to the surface.
But "Displacement" is sometimes used in the sense of meaning "what the
designer thought it would weigh (more or less) before you start adding
stuff".
So, as so often seems to happen, the answer becomes "mostly".
Giles Morris
Arlington VA
Vancouver 25 #002 "Dolphin"
Montgomery 15 #236 "Umiaq"
Sundry kayaks
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From: Sandyal55@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 03 Nov 2000 11:47:38 EST
A friend's Beneteau 26.5, has a claimed displacement of 4800 lbs. It actually
weighs about 6500 lbs. Beneteau has no explanation for the discrepancy. I
suggest going to a truck scale and weighing the boat before doing trailer
upgrades. It could save having to do unnecessary repairs over again.
Sandy
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From: Lee <lee@gnrac.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: head sails
Date: 03 Nov 2000 10:40:36 -0800
Hi Tod,
I had a really grubby jib that I sent to SailCare for refinishing. I first
thought they had returned the wrong sail.
It had been cleaned, and all the ugly stains were gone. Grommets had been
replaced, stitching redone where necessary, and completely re coated. It
not only looked and felt new, it sails beautifully. And the price was
ridiculously low. I eventually sent two more sails that got the same
treatment.
You can reach them at www.sailcare.com
My best to you.
Lee
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From: jerry montgomery <jmbn@innercite.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 03 Nov 2000 13:19:18 +0000
In my understanding, displacement is the weight of the boat PLUS crew,
stowed goods and gear. When a designer does the calculations on a
design (displacement/length ratio, etc) he used the expected weight of
the boat as it will be used. You can see where using only the weight of
the boat would make the calculations pretty meaningless.
Jerry
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From: Peter Jacobs <pjacobs@islandnet.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 03 Nov 2000 18:42:11 -0800
jerry montgomery wrote:
>
> In my understanding, displacement is the weight of the boat PLUS crew,
> stowed goods and gear. When a designer does the calculations on a
> design (displacement/length ratio, etc) he used the expected weight of
> the boat as it will be used. You can see where using only the weight of
> the boat would make the calculations pretty meaningless.
>
> Jerry
Aha! Thanks, Jerry. As my calcs are for a trailer, I'll use the combined
"boat weight" plus "gear weight". I was trying to see if a Cal 20
trailer would have sufficient carrying capacity for an Edel 22.
-Peter-
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http://www.islandnet.com/~pjacobs/homepage.htm
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From: Peter Jacobs <pjacobs@islandnet.com>
Subject: M_Boats: A good read...
Date: 03 Nov 2000 18:41:18 -0800
Found a book in the library last night, in the "New Book" section,
called "Illustrated Sail and Rig Tuning" by Ivar Dedekam. (ISBN 1 898660
67 0, published by Fernhurst Books, www.furnhurstbooks.co.uk).
It's a neat little book on how to get the most out of a boat, with
written descriptions down one side of the page and easy to follow
colourful pictures down the other side. I'm going to take it sailing
tomorrow :)
-Peter-
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Peter Jacobs, M17 "Enfin"
Victoria BC Canada
http://www.islandnet.com/~pjacobs/homepage.htm
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From: Peter Jacobs <pjacobs@islandnet.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 03 Nov 2000 18:59:38 -0800
htmills@bright.net wrote:
>
> Peter,
> It sounds like you could use an M23? Did you go with the 665?
> Tod
I move a bit slower these days. I still have to get used to the idea of
paying for a slip 6 months of the year. There's a 665 in Vancouver (no
trailer) and a Cal 20 trailer in Victoria. But I'm not rushing into a
purchase yet. Ideally I'd like a boat/trailer that need work (cheap)
that I can fix up while still enjoying the M17.
My plan is to keep the M17 for a season of Edel
(http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Shores/7978/)
sailing in case I find the bigger boat is not my bag.
-Peter-
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Peter Jacobs, M17 "Enfin"
Victoria BC Canada
http://www.islandnet.com/~pjacobs/homepage.htm
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Peter Jacobs
Victoria BC Canada
http://www.islandnet.com/~pjacobs/homepage.htm
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From: Harvey Wilson <HarveyWilson@compuserve.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Tiller repair
Date: 03 Nov 2000 23:49:57 -0500
The center lamination on my tiller has split about 10 inches from the end=
.
FWIW, one of the three holes that attach it to metal sideplates
(headstock??) is in the split, the other two holes are completely within =
a
lamination.
The gap at the end is small so far..about a quarter of an inch. What's t=
he
best way to repair this ??
Harvey/Ga
M-17 Stargazer #294
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From: sparsons@canby.com (Steve Parsons)
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tiller repair
Date: 03 Nov 2000 22:01:21 -0800
Hi Harvey,
I would mix up a good batch of epoxy, get the split as open as possible (and
clean) without causing more damage, get it thoroughly covered, then clamp
it. The clamp pressure doesn't have to be ferocious. Chances are the joint
will be stronger than the wood.
Clean up any epoxy that squeezes out, otherwise it's harder to remove.
Steve
>The center lamination on my tiller has split about 10 inches from the end.
>
>FWIW, one of the three holes that attach it to metal sideplates
>(headstock??) is in the split, the other two holes are completely within a
>lamination.
>
>The gap at the end is small so far..about a quarter of an inch. What's the
>best way to repair this ??
>
> Harvey/Ga
>
>M-17 Stargazer #294
>
>
>
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From: Fran Lebowitz <dlebowitz@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corn Valley,etc. info
Date: 03 Nov 2000 22:26:26 -0700
Steve Parsons wrote
> If you're serious about migrating north, be sure and check with your family
> physician. If you can't grow webs between the toes, it's a tough place:-)
Good point, Steve. I have allergies to mold and mildew, as well as the
webless toe problem, so I guess the north coast is not for me.
Fran
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From: Fran Lebowitz <dlebowitz@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corn Valley,etc. info
Date: 03 Nov 2000 22:30:51 -0700
mikit wrote:
> Don't take too seriously the comments on Oregon's wet cold dreary
> winters; The objective, to mislead the Californians to move
> elsewhere.
Aha! I should have known! Thanks for the consolation.
Fran
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From: Fran Lebowitz <dlebowitz@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corn Valley,etc. info
Date: 03 Nov 2000 22:35:59 -0700
TOMMYVAL@aol.com wrote:
> Have you given any consideration to the chesapeake Bay area.
No, I haven't, Gary, but I'll take your word for it being a great
sailing area. After NY, I'm kind
of shying away from humid summer areas.
Fran
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From: GILASAILR@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tiller repair
Date: 04 Nov 2000 01:50:59 EST
I have repaired many tillers as mentioned in Steves post, be very judicious
in the clamping pressure. To much pressure = not enough epoxy. Epoxy needs
volume to create an adhesive bond. A good idea would be to thicken the epoxy
with cab o sil
or West Epoxy high density filler. Use a machine screw 1/4-20 and fender
washers to provide a permanent clamp at each end of the crack ( at the 'butt'
end of the tiller, vertically placed) and at the forward end of the crack.
Epoxy these in place and do not over tighten. I have had a tiller repaired in
this matter in service on a rental boat for over 10 years!! No sign of
failure.
Have fun and don't over clamp.
Gary
M-17#319 Cheap Suit Serenader
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From: Wcpritchett@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: head sails cleaning
Date: 04 Nov 2000 08:09:06 EST
You can take sails to a commercial dry cleaner and have it done...not all
cleaners will do it because of the size though. The sails come out looking
new. When I did it they charged me by the pound and it made 20 year old
sails look great.
Bill
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From: Lee <lee@gnrac.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: head sails cleaning
Date: 04 Nov 2000 05:23:49 -0800
I would be concerned that a cleaners would damage the sizing, and they do
nothing about repair.
At 08:09 AM 11/4/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>You can take sails to a commercial dry cleaner and have it done...not all
>cleaners will do it because of the size though. The sails come out looking
>new. When I did it they charged me by the pound and it made 20 year old
>sails look great.
>
>Bill
>
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From: Wcpritchett@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: head sails cleaning
Date: 04 Nov 2000 13:28:15 EST
The commercial dry cleaning guys know exactly what chemicals to use that will
not harm the material, stitching or finish. This is how professional sail
cleaning is done. They identify what the stain is made of, apply the right
chemical that lifts the substance and then rinse it away. Very little
abrasive scrubbing to do it. Years ago I stayed several months in Ft.
Lauderdale while selling a boat and learned about this while doing boatwork
for several yacht brokers...they just cut the sailmaker out as the middleman.
I did try this at my local dry cleaner (clothes only) and they did not have
the facility to do this so it needs to be one of the big commercial cleaners
that deal in large objects. I think the one in Ft.Lauderdale was a dry
cleaner that handled hotels and places like that...
A bad stain will not come out by using mild detergent or just a soap bath.
For this type of cleaning you can do it at home in the bathtub (or in the
yard) but any scrubbing is destructive to the fabric and finish...so it is
marginal for making a real dirty sail bright again. I've done it this way
several times and it didn't come close to the ones (full suit for 25' Frisco
Flyer and a 34' Islander) that I sent to the dry cleaner in Lauderdale.
Has anyone asked that posted sail cleaner link how they do it?
Bill
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From: sparsons@canby.com (Steve Parsons)
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Corn Valley,etc. info
Date: 04 Nov 2000 20:31:11 -0800
Fran,
I am from Southern Oregon originally, and I didn't know I had allergies
until we moved to the Willamette Valley. What a surprise. You might
consider the coast. My parents retired to Florence because of my mother's
allergies. Lots of good lakes, but the wind can be wild....
Steve
>
>
>Steve Parsons wrote
>> If you're serious about migrating north, be sure and check with your family
>> physician. If you can't grow webs between the toes, it's a tough place:-)
>
>Good point, Steve. I have allergies to mold and mildew, as well as the
>webless toe problem, so I guess the north coast is not for me.
>Fran
>
>
>
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From: jerry montgomery <jmbn@innercite.com>
Subject: M_Boats: 23 CB
Date: 05 Nov 2000 14:47:59 +0000
23 owners:
For the last 20 years I have been dragging around a new M-23
centerboard, believing in the inevitability that some day someone is
going to need it. For the last few months a guy that is building a
one-off boat has been trying to get me to sell it to him. His last
offer was $500, which sounds pretty fair to me and I am going to sell it
to him ( My kids need new shoes before the snows come) UNLESS one or
some of you 23 owners want to make an investment. It=92s your turn for a
while. If so, let me know. I=92m leaving this coming week and will be
gone until after Thanksgiving, and then will be leaving for several
months to tool a new deck for the 23 for Bob Eeg. My window to ship the
thing would be the week after Thanksgiving so this would have to be
taken care of by then.
Jerry
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From: Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck@juno.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 05 Nov 2000 19:51:33 -0500
Peter,
To help clarify weight / displacement:
Weight is what the boat weights out of the water. This can be boat
empty: empty tanks; no gear on board; mast and boom in the garage; sails
on the shelf; no bedding; no anchors; no mooring lines; no fenders.
It can also be boat ready to sail: with mast; boom; sails; bedding;
anchors and rodes; mooring lines; portapotti; clothing; food; etc., etc.
Displacement, is boat in the water, which supposes boat operational.
This means mast, boom, sails, bedding, clothing, galley gear, food,
navigational equipment, fenders, mooring lines, boat cleaning equipment,
fuel cans, water cans, beer cans, foul weather gear; - and whatever else
I've forgotten. In other words, get on board and take off.
The difference between weight - boat empty; and displacement; is the
difference between a boat laid up for the winter, and a boat ready to
cast of and head out for a few days. The difference is still weight; all
the gear you put aboard to make the boat livable; but in one case the
boat can be weighed on dry land, (empty) and in the other case, the boat
is in the water = displacement: the weight of the boat and it's
equipment displaces the equal amount of weight of water.
Connie
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From: Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck@juno.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Serendipty center board
Date: 05 Nov 2000 20:04:12 -0500
Doug,
Great story. What did the airline say when you boarded with a
centerboard as baggage?
Reminds me of the time I lived in Munich Germany and had the
Tripp-Lentsch. I wanted a Danforth Hi-tensile anchor for the boat. On a
business trip back to East Hartford, CT I bought the Danforth, and asked
my shipping department to wrap the sharp flukes with some cardboard so
that I could hold it easier for the trip back to Germany.
The shipping department embalmed it. Lovely looking package in brown
paper and tape. Looked like a crucifix.
When I arrived back in Munich the following morning, German Customs asked
what was in the package. I said it was an anchor. "What is an anchor,
Customs asked?" So, I started to tell the story of my friend in the
foothills of the Alps, with his sheep herd, and the fact that they
roamed, and he wanted to anchor them in place, and so I had brought him
an anchor from America ........
Customs, finally waved me through Customs and I was out of there, anchor
under my arm. Mission accomplished. New anchor for the boat!
So now you have a flying centerboard! Has done 600 Knots! What'll it do
in the M17?
Connie
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From: AirEvacLen@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 05 Nov 2000 21:57:23 EST
In a message dated 11/05/2000 6:28:39 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
chbenneck@juno.com writes:
<<
The difference between weight - boat empty; and displacement; is the
difference between a boat laid up for the winter, and a boat ready to
cast of and head out for a few days. The difference is still weight; all
the gear you put aboard to make the boat livable; but in one case the
boat can be weighed on dry land, (empty) and in the other case, the boat
is in the water = displacement: the weight of the boat and it's
equipment displaces the equal amount of weight of water.
>>
Well guys..........kind of right. Displacement is the total weight of the
water the boat "displaces" when it is afloat. Hence, "displacement" is
actually the weight of the vessel using displaced cubic feet of water as the
determining factor. At 62.2 lbs per cubic ft of fresh water, a vessel
displacing 1500 lbs would displace a little more than 24 cu ft of water.
Using 8 lbs per gallon and 7.75 gal/cu ft means your boat "displaces" about
188 gallons of water to stay afloat..............You can thank Archemedes for
this one......
Lenny
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From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl@xmission.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Re: No subject was specified.
Date: 08 Nov 2000 16:10:40 -0700
The service that hosts our archive search engine is hosed up. I've
tried to contact them, but they have not answered. I suppose they're
going out of business or something. You can get to the real archives
on the xmission ftp site, but there is no search engine -- you'd have
to download them and search with your word processor.
I'm trying to find someone else who will provide a search engine.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 9:32 AM
> Kieth,
>
> When I try to search the archives for a word I get a notice saying
> "premature end of script headers. Why??
>
> Thanks
> Douglas Peebles
>
>
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From: Doug Kelch <dkelch@cox.rr.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Serendipty center board
Date: 08 Nov 2000 21:11:52 -0500
Conbert H Benneck wrote:
> Doug,
>
> Great story. What did the airline say when you boarded with a
> centerboard as baggage?
Connie,
Dale called the airline ahead of time to check the legal size of a carry
on and it didn't pass the test. He packed it for checking through as baggage
and he did an excellent job. Dale's packing passed the samsonite luggage
gorrilla test by going through the Fargo and Chicago and Dulles airport
baggage systems and the center board arrived undamaged but the box had
visible signs of direct attacks..
The dagger board is only supposed to weigh about 45 lbs but it's amazing
how much weight it gains as you carry it. We had to walk between the end of
the F concourse and the end of the C concourse in Chicago. That board would
have effectively weighed 2000lbs by the time I walk that far.
Thanks for the great job Dale
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From: GILASAILR@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 09 Nov 2000 03:41:07 EST
Maybe someone could ask the ABYC (American Boat and Yacht Council)(( NOT
Alamitos Bay Yacht Club)) what their definition is. I know the Sailboat
Industry had some concerns over disp. vs sailing weight. I am not sure of the
www. site but Bob Eeg may know.
Gary O.
M-17 # 319 Cheap Suit Serenader
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From: Michael & Lizabeth Towers <towers@rea-alp.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 09 Nov 2000 08:03:27 -0600
>Maybe someone could ask the ABYC (American Boat and Yacht Council)(( NOT
>Alamitos Bay Yacht Club)) what their definition is. I know the Sailboat
>Industry had some concerns over disp. vs sailing weight. I am not sure of the
>www. site but Bob Eeg may know.
>Gary O.
>M-17 # 319 Cheap Suit Serenader
Their web site is www.abycinc.org.
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From: Wcpritchett@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 09 Nov 2000 10:19:21 EST
There really shouldn't be a debate on displacement. The dry weight of a boat
is the same as when it sits in the water. Add weight or take it away from
the boat and the water weight changes with it. True displacement is the
weight of water the boat uses. However, there could be some debate on how
displacement is advertised.
A designer puts DWL (designed water line <some call it displaced water line>)
on his plans and uses that as a baseline for calculations, published
displacement is (should be) taken from that point. Put the boat down on the
DWL and the displacement increases, etc.. Beyond the DWL you start getting
into the load capacity...which is found by measuring for net/gross tonnage,
generally for documenting the vessel..
Bill P.
m10
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From: AirEvacLen@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 09 Nov 2000 20:09:08 EST
In a message dated 11/09/2000 8:21:18 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
Wcpritchett@aol.com writes:
<< Beyond the DWL you start getting
into the load capacity...which is found by measuring for net/gross tonnage,
generally for documenting the vessel..
Bill P. >>
Yeah,,,,,,so what's the big deal with the displacement issue? Did you guys
vote on this? Is that why there's so much confusion?
Lenny
M-23 #003
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From: Wcpritchett@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Displacement vs Weight
Date: 09 Nov 2000 21:06:59 EST
Lenny,
No confusion here...
Bill P. <wcpritchett@aol.com>
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From: Grove777@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: online vane plans
Date: 09 Nov 2000 21:07:31 EST
everytime i try this site
get an error message
what is wrong???
k
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Subject: Re: M_Boats: Weekend Report, 11-12, 2000 last one this year.
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From: Peter Jacobs <pjacobs@islandnet.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Winter sail
Date: 13 Nov 2000 20:02:29 -0800
Went sailing today, 20 knot north-easter blowing, put two reefs in the
main and one in the jib which made the boat quite manageable. I got
pretty wet, but those Mustang survival suits sure keep you warm :)
I had on thick jeans, wool shirt, wool sweater, neck warmer, gloves,
and my Helly Hansen Yotting hat as well. Didn't realize how cold it was
until I took off the suit after docking! Only trouble with all those
clothes on, it was a bit hard to move around the boat!
-Peter-
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Victoria BC Canada
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From: Theo Petron <theop@uswest.net>
Subject: M_Boats: Test
Date: 13 Nov 2000 22:12:52 -0600
Hi all, I've caught up on the em's and need to give my 2 cents. I met
Oscar Heath (a sailmaker) at a sailing fund raiser last
week, and he is going to try and find tanbark for the creation of new
sails for my M23. Not a huge sense of urgency, but
might as well plan. As for the ability to see the tanbark, I've been
told that I can been seen al the way across the lake (3
mi.) and that is even by adults overserved with alcohol!
Sails Increase is on the hard, and my divorce is nearing the end, so I'm
rededicating myself to making the MON work.
Those of you who currenty subscribe will be getting a letter within the
week asking for opinions/input etc. Also, consider
last years only issue, complimentary. Note that my new email is:
theop@mn.uswest.net Hope to get input from non-subs
as well.
Theo
M23
Sails Increase
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From: woodscribbles@webtv.net (Dana & Tom Woodworth)
Subject: M_Boats: Heaving To
Date: 14 Nov 2000 05:16:52 -0800 (PST)
M wife and I were sailing off of Venura yesterday, and decided to
practice heaving to for the first time. As was explained to me, I
backwinded the jib, sheeted the main in tight, and rounded up into the
wind. I guess the theory is that once into the wind, the boat loses way,
the backwinded jib causes the boat to fall off onto a beat, then the
rudder becomes effective again and starts the process all over again.
My problem was that the boat did not want to quit sailing! We sat out
there making little circles in the water, I would adjust things, and
then do it again. We are going out this afternoon and try again. I had
the 155% Genoa up yesterday, and will try it with the regular jib. I am
thinking that perhaps the jib does not need to be backwinded on these
smaller boats. The guy I got the info from has a 40' Valiant. Thanks for
any input.
Tom Woodworth M-17 "Wild Hare"
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From: "William P. Wampler" <wpw4@ev1.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving To
Date: 14 Nov 2000 08:03:35 -0600
Tom,
I don't think it has to with the size of the boat necessarily, I've heaved
to effectively on both my CD Typhoon and M15 in winds up to 25 knots. The
process you describe below is the same that I follow. Two things I'd
mention: One, I tie down the tiller to leeward prior to leaving the boat on
her own and, two, lose the Genny and try the working jib for your next
attempt. In very strong winds, I've had success with reefed Main and reefed
Storm Jib, never tried heaving to with anything larger than a working jib.
In any event, best of luck. I know how frustrating it can be attempting to
get things to work that sound so simple in the magazines.
Bill Wampler
Dana & Tom Woodworth wrote:
> M wife and I were sailing off of Venura yesterday, and decided to
> practice heaving to for the first time. As was explained to me, I
> backwinded the jib, sheeted the main in tight, and rounded up into the
> wind. I guess the theory is that once into the wind, the boat loses way,
> the backwinded jib causes the boat to fall off onto a beat, then the
> rudder becomes effective again and starts the process all over again.
> My problem was that the boat did not want to quit sailing! We sat out
> there making little circles in the water, I would adjust things, and
> then do it again. We are going out this afternoon and try again. I had
> the 155% Genoa up yesterday, and will try it with the regular jib. I am
> thinking that perhaps the jib does not need to be backwinded on these
> smaller boats. The guy I got the info from has a 40' Valiant. Thanks for
> any input.
> Tom Woodworth M-17 "Wild Hare"
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From: "Peter Jacobs" <pjacobs@islandnet.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving To
Date: 14 Nov 2000 08:12:17 -0800
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I find that having no jib (lower it altogether, and having a well reefed =
main works for me. The main is sheeted tight right over the cockpit, and =
the tiller bungeed to the lee side. This is in pretty strong winds, of =
course.
-Peter-
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Peter Jacobs M17 "Enfin"
Victoria BC Canada
----- Original Message -----=20
From: William P. Wampler=20
To: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com=20
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving To
Tom,
I don't think it has to with the size of the boat necessarily, I've =
heaved
to effectively on both my CD Typhoon and M15 in winds up to 25 knots. =
The
process you describe below is the same that I follow. Two things I'd
mention: One, I tie down the tiller to leeward prior to leaving the =
boat on
her own and, two, lose the Genny and try the working jib for your next
attempt. In very strong winds, I've had success with reefed Main and =
reefed
Storm Jib, never tried heaving to with anything larger than a working =
jib.
In any event, best of luck. I know how frustrating it can be =
attempting to
get things to work that sound so simple in the magazines.
Bill Wampler
Dana & Tom Woodworth wrote:
> M wife and I were sailing off of Venura yesterday, and decided to
> practice heaving to for the first time. As was explained to me, I
> backwinded the jib, sheeted the main in tight, and rounded up into =
the
> wind. I guess the theory is that once into the wind, the boat loses =
way,
> the backwinded jib causes the boat to fall off onto a beat, then the
> rudder becomes effective again and starts the process all over =
again.
> My problem was that the boat did not want to quit sailing! We sat =
out
> there making little circles in the water, I would adjust things, and
> then do it again. We are going out this afternoon and try again. I =
had
> the 155% Genoa up yesterday, and will try it with the regular jib. I =
am
> thinking that perhaps the jib does not need to be backwinded on =
these
> smaller boats. The guy I got the info from has a 40' Valiant. Thanks =
for
> any input.
> Tom Woodworth M-17 "Wild Hare"
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: M_Boats: Heaving =
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Tom,<BR><BR>I don't think it has to with the size of =
the boat=20
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M15 in=20
winds up to 25 knots. The<BR>process you describe below is the =
same that=20
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to=20
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Genny and=20
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winds, I've=20
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time. As=20
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tight,=20
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to fall=20
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I would adjust things, and<BR>> then do it again. We are going out =
this=20
afternoon and try again. I had<BR>> the 155% Genoa up yesterday, =
and will=20
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jib does=20
not need to be backwinded on these<BR>> smaller boats. The guy I =
got the=20
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From: "Bill Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Heaving To
Date: 14 Nov 2000 18:54:52 -0500
Tom,
To heave to, I just go about, leaving the jib cleated. The jib is now
backwinded; I push the tiller to leeward and let the main loose. The main
is mostly blanketed by the jib and doesn't flog much. I haven't found it
necessary to tie off the tiller.
I don't have a Genny, so I can't speak to it's effect.
Good luck,
Bill Riker
M-15 #184
Storm Petrel
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From: Doug Kelch <dkelch@cox.rr.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Winter sail
Date: 14 Nov 2000 19:57:02 -0500
Peter,
Glad to hear you can still get out. I used to sail a sunfish on the
Sunday frostbite series in RI. The dry suits work well and it is not as
crazy as it sounds. It's still enjoyable if you dress for it.
Doug
"Seas the Day"
Peter Jacobs wrote:
> Went sailing today, 20 knot north-easter blowing, put two reefs in the
> main and one in the jib which made the boat quite manageable. I got
> pretty wet, but those Mustang survival suits sure keep you warm :)
> I had on thick jeans, wool shirt, wool sweater, neck warmer, gloves,
> and my Helly Hansen Yotting hat as well. Didn't realize how cold it was
> until I took off the suit after docking! Only trouble with all those
> clothes on, it was a bit hard to move around the boat!
>
> -Peter-
> --
> ========================
> Peter Jacobs, M17 "Enfin"
> Victoria BC Canada
> http://www.islandnet.com/~pjacobs/homepage.htm
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From: Howard A <haudsley@tranquility.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving To
Date: 14 Nov 2000 19:11:47 -0600
I do it pretty much as Bill does. I come about, and as soon as the bow crosses
the wind, I lash the tiller to the lee side, leaving the jib and main sheeted
as they were. The boat tries to head up due to the rudder and some wind on the
main, then falls off due to the backwinded jib and pretty much stops dead in
the water, gently drifting downwind. I have only done it with my main and 100%
jib.
Howard
M-17, #278
Bill Riker wrote:
> Tom,
>
> To heave to, I just go about, leaving the jib cleated. The jib is now
> backwinded; I push the tiller to leeward and let the main loose. The main
> is mostly blanketed by the jib and doesn't flog much. I haven't found it
> necessary to tie off the tiller.
>
> I don't have a Genny, so I can't speak to it's effect.
>
> Good luck,
> Bill Riker
> M-15 #184
> Storm Petrel
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From: Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck@juno.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving To
Date: 14 Nov 2000 20:21:17 -0500
Tom,
When you backwind the jib, you also have to tie down your tiller so that
the boat lies still, at perhaps a 45 degree angle to the wind. The wind
will try and push the bow off to leeward, while the tied-off tiller and
rudder will cause the boat to head up into the wind again.
The trick is balancing the tiller position and the backwinded jib
position so that the boat balances. Then all is quiet and peaceful: the
boat slowly fore-reaches, and you can cook a meal or snooze.
Connie
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From: woodscribbles@webtv.net (Dana & Tom Woodworth)
Subject: M_Boats: Heaving-To
Date: 14 Nov 2000 17:33:26 -0800 (PST)
We went out today and had a great sail. Only about 5-8 knots of wind,
and the swells were about 4' with just a little chop on top to make it
fun. We tried heaving-to with the 100% jib backwinded and the main
sheeted in tight, and damned if it didn't work as advertised! Never
thought I would enjoy "parking" in a sailboat, but at least we have
another item to add to our ever-growing list of sailing skills. Thanks
for the input. Tomorrow we will try again with reefed main and then with
jib only. Only two more days here, and then back to New Mexico and the
cold weather.
Tom & Dana ,"Wild Hare"
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From: "Morris, Giles" <giles.morris@unisys.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Heaving To
Date: 14 Nov 2000 20:38:23 -0600
>To heave to, I just go about, leaving the jib cleated
That's what I do on Dolphin, although she's a bit heavier at 8,000-odd
pounds. The last time was with a genoa that I'd estimate at around 130%. It
works well enough that it's the quickest way of getting the boat to look
after herself when my attention is urgently needed (like when my son fell
down the companionway steps).
Giles Morris
Arlington VA
Montgomery 15 #264 "Umiaq"
Vancouver 25 #002 "Dolphin"
Sundry kayaks
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From: Peter Jacobs <pjacobs@islandnet.com>
Subject: M_Boats: M Boat sail dimensions
Date: 14 Nov 2000 19:32:58 -0800
I remember a while back (last spring?) someone mentioned they had the
actual drawings and dimensions for lofting the M Boat sails, but they
needed some work to put them into a postable format.
I've been practicing on my Pfaff 138 zig-zag machine, and reading my
"Sailmaker's Apprentice" like mad lately, and I'm ready to build a real
sail ... a storm jib for "Enfin".
I'm willing to try to put the original info into .PDF, or some similar
format that can be posted on the MSOG web site, if I can get hold of the
plans.
Does anyone remember anything about that?
-Peter-
--
========================
Peter Jacobs M17 "Enfin"
Victoria BC Canada
http://www.islandnet.com/~pjacobs/homepage.htm
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From: "John Fell" <vup1@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving To
Date: 08 Nov 2000 11:49:39 -0800
you need to release the mailsail as you go through the wind. The jib is
backwinded, the main is loose, and the tiller should be tied off to leaward.
The theory is that the rudder is trying to turn the boat into the wind, and
the back winded jib is trying to have the boat fall off the wind. Its really
easy, and the boat sort of waddels back and forth.
john
-----Original Message-----
<montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
M wife and I were sailing off of Venura yesterday, and decided to
practice heaving to for the first time. As was explained to me, I
backwinded the jib, sheeted the main in tight, and rounded up into the
wind. I guess the theory is that once into the wind, the boat loses way,
the backwinded jib causes the boat to fall off onto a beat, then the
rudder becomes effective again and starts the process all over again.
My problem was that the boat did not want to quit sailing! We sat out
there making little circles in the water, I would adjust things, and
then do it again. We are going out this afternoon and try again. I had
the 155% Genoa up yesterday, and will try it with the regular jib. I am
thinking that perhaps the jib does not need to be backwinded on these
smaller boats. The guy I got the info from has a 40' Valiant. Thanks for
any input.
Tom Woodworth M-17 "Wild Hare"
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From: mikit <mikit@pioneer-net.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Heaving-To
Date: 14 Nov 2000 21:48:12 -0700
We use the maneuver every time we go out for taking a break,
eating or gathering our wits. Our 150% Genoa heaves-to fine with no
problems. The process that works for us is similar to what others
have mentioned. It's easiest to initiate by come about leaving the
jib cleated. Once the boom swings across, let the main sheet out a
tad while swinging the tiller to leeward securing with a line to the
cleat . It's necessary for us to secure the tiller to leeward, that's
what makes it all work. We quickly developed a feel for the
mainsheet adjustment necessary for proper balance. A real handy
procedure to know, our anchoring skills are suffering however.
Mike
M-17#369
>We went out today and had a great sail. Only about 5-8 knots of wind,
>and the swells were about 4' with just a little chop on top to make it
>fun. We tried heaving-to with the 100% jib backwinded and the main
>sheeted in tight, and damned if it didn't work as advertised! Never
>thought I would enjoy "parking" in a sailboat, but at least we have
>another item to add to our ever-growing list of sailing skills. Thanks
>for the input. Tomorrow we will try again with reefed main and then with
>jib only. Only two more days here, and then back to New Mexico and the
>cold weather.
>Tom & Dana ,"Wild Hare"
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From: LBarkhuff@cs.com
Subject: M_Boats: Seagull motors
Date: 15 Nov 2000 20:30:16 EST
Harvey, do you have any idea where I might find a used Newer seagull OB
for sale. I remember you have a couple. I guess to company is no longer?
Right?? Larry
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From: Richard Lane <rqlhgl@wt.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M Boat sail dimensions
Date: 15 Nov 2000 17:39:25 -0800
Try SailRite kits, they have many plans.
Regards, Dick
Peter Jacobs wrote:
> I remember a while back (last spring?) someone mentioned they had the
> actual drawings and dimensions for lofting the M Boat sails, but they
> needed some work to put them into a postable format.
>
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From: Peter Jacobs <pjacobs@islandnet.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M Boat sail dimensions
Date: 15 Nov 2000 20:32:19 -0800
Richard Lane wrote:
>
> Try SailRite kits, they have many plans.
> Regards, Dick
>
> Peter Jacobs wrote:
>
> > I remember a while back (last spring?) someone mentioned they had the
> > actual drawings and dimensions for lofting the M Boat sails, but they
> > needed some work to put them into a postable format.
> >
Thanks, Dick. I've got quite a bit of info on general sail dimensions
from their website already. But I still need info on specific
measurements that give the sail it's three dimensional shape.
-Peter-
--
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Peter Jacobs, M17 "Enfin"
Victoria BC Canada
http://www.islandnet.com/~pjacobs/homepage.htm
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From: Tom Smith <TSmith@linesoft.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: M Boat sail dimensions
Date: 16 Nov 2000 07:42:32 -0800
Peter, why don't you contact Kern Ferguson, the guy who makes M sails
regularly. His email address is kernsails@netzero.net and his phone number
is (714) 645-7741.
Tom Smith
M15--Chukar
Sandpoint, Idaho
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:32 PM
Richard Lane wrote:
>
> Try SailRite kits, they have many plans.
> Regards, Dick
>
> Peter Jacobs wrote:
>
> > I remember a while back (last spring?) someone mentioned they had the
> > actual drawings and dimensions for lofting the M Boat sails, but they
> > needed some work to put them into a postable format.
> >
Thanks, Dick. I've got quite a bit of info on general sail dimensions
from their website already. But I still need info on specific
measurements that give the sail it's three dimensional shape.
-Peter-
--
========================
Peter Jacobs, M17 "Enfin"
Victoria BC Canada
http://www.islandnet.com/~pjacobs/homepage.htm
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From: Robert Eeg <bobeeg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats:Area code change
Date: 16 Nov 2000 07:57:07 +0000
Kern Fergusons phone number is area code
(949) 645-7741 (not 714 area code)
Bob
Tom Smith wrote:
> Peter, why don't you contact Kern Ferguson, the guy who makes M sails
> regularly. His email address is kernsails@netzero.net and his phone number
> is (714) 645-7741.
>
> Tom Smith
> M15--Chukar
> Sandpoint, Idaho
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Jacobs [mailto:pjacobs@islandnet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:32 PM
> To: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M Boat sail dimensions
>
> Richard Lane wrote:
> >
> > Try SailRite kits, they have many plans.
> > Regards, Dick
> >
> > Peter Jacobs wrote:
> >
> > > I remember a while back (last spring?) someone mentioned they had the
> > > actual drawings and dimensions for lofting the M Boat sails, but they
> > > needed some work to put them into a postable format.
> > >
>
> Thanks, Dick. I've got quite a bit of info on general sail dimensions
> from their website already. But I still need info on specific
> measurements that give the sail it's three dimensional shape.
>
> -Peter-
> --
> ========================
> Peter Jacobs, M17 "Enfin"
> Victoria BC Canada
> http://www.islandnet.com/~pjacobs/homepage.htm
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From: Doug Kelch <dkelch@cox.rr.com>
Subject: M_Boats: New CB fit:(
Date: 16 Nov 2000 20:18:31 -0500
The M15 CB saga continues. I attempted to install the new CB I got from
Dale via Bob Egg and it's a smidgen too tight. It can be pushed up
about 3/4 of the way and gets very tight. I removed it and plan to sand
off about 1/16" and try again. The old board did stick out of the keel
by about an inch but there is no visual signs of swelling in the trunk
itself.
Has anyone else experience this? What was the solution?
Doug
"Seas the Day"
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From: Robert Eeg <bobeeg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: New CB fit:(
Date: 16 Nov 2000 19:43:45 +0000
Doug
The centerboard trunk should be exactly 1.25
inches wide. The centerboard should be just a hair
over one inch thick. (we use the same mold that
Jerry used).
Get a stick and cut it 1.25 inches wide and shove it
up the centerboard trunk and see if it fits all around,
up near the top (where it sounds like you have a
tight fit).
You can sand the board where it binds in the
trunk.
Bob
Nor'Sea
Doug Kelch wrote:
> The M15 CB saga continues. I attempted to install the new CB I got from
> Dale via Bob Egg and it's a smidgen too tight. It can be pushed up
> about 3/4 of the way and gets very tight. I removed it and plan to sand
> off about 1/16" and try again. The old board did stick out of the keel
> by about an inch but there is no visual signs of swelling in the trunk
> itself.
> Has anyone else experience this? What was the solution?
>
> Doug
> "Seas the Day"
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From: Harvey Wilson <HarveyWilson@compuserve.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Seagull motors
Date: 16 Nov 2000 23:44:40 -0500
Hi Larry...
Long time no talk/type at you, however, Inacom went belly up, and I no
longer have access to a WATS line <sigh>
What kind of "newer" Seagull are you after ?? The classic round head
models with external tank, or the later ones with the more conventional
styled ( Evinrude) head enclosure ?/
The last of the older models came with built-in pull starter ropes and
F-N-R on the largest (5-6hp) models. On the earlier models, you manually
wound the rope around a flange, and the flywheel was exposed. Flywheel i=
s
covered on the last models. Most early larger models only had F-N
shifting, and the smaller (2-4hp) had none. No way to turn the motor 180 =
to
get reverse drive.it has a drive shaft and separate exhaust tube.
If you're thinking of the older models, you'd probably be interested in t=
he
EFNRL-90/110, made from '79 to the late '80's, or the last Osprey or
Kingfisher models, made in the late 80's to about '96. These use 50-1 ga=
s
oil mix and used the latest technology..5 ports, cross scavenging, muffle=
r
air intake.
The EFNRL-90/110 is what I presently use. It's long shaft ( the L in the=
model and serial number) uses 25-1 gas-oil mix, and is noisier then my
Model 55, which is a 3hp made in '92, with 50-1 mix.
Ron Battiston is the present guru/seller of Seagulls, plus a guy in New
England (Maine??). Do a search for Seagulls, or Ron Battiston...you'll
find his latest web site. He's moved to larger quarters.
I got my two smaller Seagulls from him. He's a bit slow, as it's a part
time business (or was). He's been quite fair with me and all the people
that I've sent to him. The motors that he sells are working motors..not =
as
pretty, or pricey, as the fellow in N.E. (Mike Sullivan ??) He has a link=
/
working agreement with the N/E. guy, who really cleans up the motors befo=
re
selling them.
Let me know what you think of them when you look at Ron's site.
Harvey =
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Subject: M_Boats: For Sale 1982 M17
Date: 17 Nov 2000 08:23:36 -0700
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From: John & Lisa Abbott <abbottlt@earthlink.net>
Subject: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
Date: 17 Nov 2000 15:23:13 -0600
Good afternoon all,
Well I'm sitting here with "Alta GO II" in the garage with a brand new
Honda 2HP Outboard on her and am looking for a good quality adjustable
motor mount so I can get my new engine out the way during launching and
recovery (the large cowling on the engine prevents me from accomplishing
this with the current mount).
Any recommendations would be welcome,
thanx
John
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From: LBarkhuff@cs.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Seagull motors
Date: 17 Nov 2000 19:26:15 EST
Found the site you mentioned by accident, and he has a lot of stuff for sale,
huh? I would like a later model with the cover, but who really cares. Just
an idea about a lighter motor. Also trying to get an oar, so that is another
thought. Not a lot going on now, just waiting for the first of the year,
when I may be going to No Carolina, or something. Larry
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From: Theo Petron <theop@uswest.net>
Subject: M_Boats: M23 Windows
Date: 18 Nov 2000 15:53:27 -0600
Hey Jerry or Bob!
My M23's opening ports could use replacement. The inside wing
nut/securing nuts are all breaking off due to tightening and
untightening. Any idea who manufactured the ones in my 1980 hull #26?
Thanks!
Theo
"Sails Increase"
M23 #26
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From: "DOUG DINARDO" <DJ.DINARDO@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
Date: 18 Nov 2000 17:00:56 -0600
I just installed a Fulton outboard motor bracket for my M-15. I purchased
it from West Marine for $120 and some change. I also have a Honda 2hp and
it fits fine.
Doug
dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:23 PM
> Good afternoon all,
>
> Well I'm sitting here with "Alta GO II" in the garage with a brand new
> Honda 2HP Outboard on her and am looking for a good quality adjustable
> motor mount so I can get my new engine out the way during launching and
> recovery (the large cowling on the engine prevents me from accomplishing
> this with the current mount).
>
> Any recommendations would be welcome,
>
> thanx
>
> John
>
>
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From: Robert Eeg <bobeeg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 Windows
Date: 18 Nov 2000 17:53:58 +0000
Theo
Not a clue. Jerry might know.
Some of the window manufactures are gone.
Bob
Theo Petron wrote:
> Hey Jerry or Bob!
> My M23's opening ports could use replacement. The inside wing
> nut/securing nuts are all breaking off due to tightening and
> untightening. Any idea who manufactured the ones in my 1980 hull #26?
>
> Thanks!
> Theo
> "Sails Increase"
> M23 #26
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From: Howard A <haudsley@tranquility.net>
Subject: M_Boats: CB Question
Date: 19 Nov 2000 08:12:56 -0600
My ignorance is on display here, but since bronze is the metal of choice
for underwater applications for corrosion problems, why not use it for
centerboards?
I figure the limitations are density (vs. cast iron, steel or lead cored
glass), expense and possibly durability. Does anyone know how bronze
stacks up in these categories?
Howard
M-17, #278
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From: AirEvacLen@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: CB Question
Date: 19 Nov 2000 09:47:00 EST
In a message dated 11/19/2000 7:13:08 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
haudsley@tranquility.net writes:
<< but since bronze is the metal of choice
for underwater applications for corrosion problems, why not use it for
centerboards? >>
Don't really know Howard..........But I would think cost would be a major
factor......bronze vs cast iron...........
Lenny
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From: Don Haas <dshaas@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
Date: 19 Nov 2000 16:35:49 -0800
Doug;
What model number Fulton did you buy? Just todau, I bought model # 1020 which
looks the same as #1020, except it is spring assisted.
How did you access the mounting bolts?
Don Haas,
M15-248
DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> I just installed a Fulton outboard motor bracket for my M-15. I purchased
> it from West Marine for $120 and some change. I also have a Honda 2hp and
> it fits fine.
>
> Doug
> dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John & Lisa Abbott <abbottlt@earthlink.net>
> To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:23 PM
> Subject: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
>
> > Good afternoon all,
> >
> > Well I'm sitting here with "Alta GO II" in the garage with a brand new
> > Honda 2HP Outboard on her and am looking for a good quality adjustable
> > motor mount so I can get my new engine out the way during launching and
> > recovery (the large cowling on the engine prevents me from accomplishing
> > this with the current mount).
> >
> > Any recommendations would be welcome,
> >
> > thanx
> >
> > John
> >
> >
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From: sparsons@canby.com (Steve Parsons)
Subject: Re: M_Boats: CB Question
Date: 19 Nov 2000 16:57:49 -0800
Howard,
When I was a kid, our Sea Scout ship had an old wood lightning with a bronze
cb. I suspect that there is a steep tarif that goes with bronze.
Steve
>My ignorance is on display here, but since bronze is the metal of choice
>for underwater applications for corrosion problems, why not use it for
>centerboards?
>
>I figure the limitations are density (vs. cast iron, steel or lead cored
>glass), expense and possibly durability. Does anyone know how bronze
>stacks up in these categories?
>
>Howard
>M-17, #278
>
>
>
>
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From: "DOUG DINARDO" <DJ.DINARDO@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
Date: 20 Nov 2000 07:08:20 -0600
I bought the 1050, they are the same, except I do not have the springs. I
cut a hole for a small deck plate in the seat close to the transom so I
could access the bolts to remove the old mount and install the new one. I
then installed a screw type deck plate.
Have fun,
Doug
Alegria, M-15 233
dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:35 PM
> Doug;
>
> What model number Fulton did you buy? Just todau, I bought model # 1020
which
> looks the same as #1020, except it is spring assisted.
>
> How did you access the mounting bolts?
>
> Don Haas,
> M15-248
>
>
> DOUG DINARDO wrote:
>
> > I just installed a Fulton outboard motor bracket for my M-15. I
purchased
> > it from West Marine for $120 and some change. I also have a Honda 2hp
and
> > it fits fine.
> >
> > Doug
> > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John & Lisa Abbott <abbottlt@earthlink.net>
> > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:23 PM
> > Subject: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> >
> > > Good afternoon all,
> > >
> > > Well I'm sitting here with "Alta GO II" in the garage with a brand new
> > > Honda 2HP Outboard on her and am looking for a good quality adjustable
> > > motor mount so I can get my new engine out the way during launching
and
> > > recovery (the large cowling on the engine prevents me from
accomplishing
> > > this with the current mount).
> > >
> > > Any recommendations would be welcome,
> > >
> > > thanx
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > >
>
>
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From: Howard A <haudsley@tranquility.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: CB Question
Date: 20 Nov 2000 19:38:44 -0600
Steve Parsons wrote:
> Howard,
>
> When I was a kid, our Sea Scout ship had an old wood lightning with a bronze
> cb. I suspect that there is a steep tarif that goes with bronze.
>
> Steve
No doubt it would be expensive, but how much so...as in how long is a piece of
string?
By comparison, last year I had a bid to build a new CB from 3/4 inch plate
steel for about $150, and about $1,000 for the same thing in stainless. I
elected to weld and paint my damaged, original cast iron CB, but all that cost
more than having a new one built from plate steel.
I know mine was damaged again this year when the the pin that holds the roller
on the trailer fell out, and let the CB ride on the trailer frame for about 100
miles. At the least, I'm looking at a new paint job, at worst, I'm back to new
CB questions...won't know until I haul the boat for the winter and I get a good
look at the damage. But at least I still have the CB, and I may be able to put
fairing compound on the big ding on the leading edge for a simple repair. If
not, I'm back to weighing my options.
It is also my understanding that the lead cored fiberglass CB's made for the
new M-17's are built to different specs, and don't fit the older boats. So if I
decide to replace it, my options are back to painted plate steel (which is just
rust waiting to happen), galvanized plate steel (how to you put antifouling
paint on galvanized?), the really pricy stainless, or ????
Ergo the source of my questions about bronze. Just exploring the options!
Howard
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From: Robert Eeg <bobeeg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: wind vane + small boat link + rudder price?
Date: 20 Nov 2000 19:06:57 +0000
Got the prices but still waiting for your daytime
phone number.....
Bob
"htmills@bright.net" wrote:
> After studying Letcher's book, I've concluded that the windvane that I posted
> about a while back might be more complicated to build than is necessary. That
> design (don't have the link handy...it was a retired engineer's design) was of
> a servo-pendulum vane. Depending on the characteristics of the Montgomerys
> a simpler setup may be useable, like the one at www.freehandsteering.com or
> maybe a combination of the two. Letcher has a test to help determine those
> characteristics; the one I referred to in an earlier post.
>
> Also, the following link was posted on the oar club's message board. It is about
> some small boats that have done some sailing around in the Bahamas:
>
> http://hometown.aol.com/boldav/index.html
>
> Any luck coming up with those prices, Bob Eeg? I first asked about them October 29,
> if you recall...and if I recall correctly during our phone conversation on Nov 7th you
> said you'd have them by the end of that week?
>
> Tod
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From: "Keith Diehl" <kdiehl@xmission.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Outfitting a Montgomery 17
Date: 20 Nov 2000 21:03:12 -0700
> From: DadMan2001@aol.com
> Message-ID: <c4.bf886d4.274b45b4@aol.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:27:48 EST
> Subject: Outfitting a Montgomery 17
> To: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com
>
> Hello,
> I'm new at this and I have a chance of buying a new Montgomery 17
(not 100 %
> right now). I do plan on some ocean sailing later on.
> What would be the suggestions on outfitting the M 17 from bow to
stern ?
> I mean everything, engine selection, sail selection, electronics
selection
> and ?
> I want to have everything I can done when I buy the boat. I plan on
having
> the equipment added on then and rolled into the financing.
>
> Thanks in advance for your replies.
> Marlin
>
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From: Don Haas <dshaas@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
Date: 21 Nov 2000 18:37:33 -0800
Hi Doug;
Thanks for the reply.
Did you have a reason for installing the deck plate on the seat rather than the
inside surface of the transom. The reason I ask is because I was planning to go
the transom route. I won't get to this project until next spring, so I'm hoping
Santa will bring me a Roto-Zip for the job. One cannot have too many tools can
they?
Don Haas
DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> I bought the 1050, they are the same, except I do not have the springs. I
> cut a hole for a small deck plate in the seat close to the transom so I
> could access the bolts to remove the old mount and install the new one. I
> then installed a screw type deck plate.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Doug
> Alegria, M-15 233
>
> dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Haas <dshaas@sprintmail.com>
> To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:35 PM
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
>
> > Doug;
> >
> > What model number Fulton did you buy? Just todau, I bought model # 1020
> which
> > looks the same as #1020, except it is spring assisted.
> >
> > How did you access the mounting bolts?
> >
> > Don Haas,
> > M15-248
> >
> >
> > DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> >
> > > I just installed a Fulton outboard motor bracket for my M-15. I
> purchased
> > > it from West Marine for $120 and some change. I also have a Honda 2hp
> and
> > > it fits fine.
> > >
> > > Doug
> > > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: John & Lisa Abbott <abbottlt@earthlink.net>
> > > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:23 PM
> > > Subject: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> > >
> > > > Good afternoon all,
> > > >
> > > > Well I'm sitting here with "Alta GO II" in the garage with a brand new
> > > > Honda 2HP Outboard on her and am looking for a good quality adjustable
> > > > motor mount so I can get my new engine out the way during launching
> and
> > > > recovery (the large cowling on the engine prevents me from
> accomplishing
> > > > this with the current mount).
> > > >
> > > > Any recommendations would be welcome,
> > > >
> > > > thanx
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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From: mikit <mikit@pioneer-net.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: rudder + articles on self-steering
Date: 21 Nov 2000 19:38:55 -0700
Tod,
It looks like the last couple days perhaps were not ideal sailing
conditions on Lake Erie, at least not as far east as Buffalo.
sunny in Oregon (today anyway)
Mike
M-17 #369
>Thanks for getting back to me, Bob Eeg; I'll get a check out to you
>in tomorrow's mail.
>
>
>Interesting articles on Sailnet on self steering:
>
>Part One:
>http://www.sailnet.com/collections/articles/index.cfm?articleid=shardp0008
>Part Two:
>http://www.sailnet.com/collections/gearandmaintenance/index.cfm?articleid=shardp0009&tfr=fp
>
>The author discusses the benefits and some different types of self
>steering available.
>
>Tod Mills
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From: "DOUG DINARDO" <DJ.DINARDO@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
Date: 22 Nov 2000 07:36:54 -0600
Transom or seat, both will work well I imagine.
Doug
dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:37 PM
> Hi Doug;
>
> Thanks for the reply.
> Did you have a reason for installing the deck plate on the seat rather
than the
> inside surface of the transom. The reason I ask is because I was planning
to go
> the transom route. I won't get to this project until next spring, so I'm
hoping
> Santa will bring me a Roto-Zip for the job. One cannot have too many
tools can
> they?
>
> Don Haas
>
>
> DOUG DINARDO wrote:
>
> > I bought the 1050, they are the same, except I do not have the springs.
I
> > cut a hole for a small deck plate in the seat close to the transom so I
> > could access the bolts to remove the old mount and install the new one.
I
> > then installed a screw type deck plate.
> >
> > Have fun,
> >
> > Doug
> > Alegria, M-15 233
> >
> > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Don Haas <dshaas@sprintmail.com>
> > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> >
> > > Doug;
> > >
> > > What model number Fulton did you buy? Just todau, I bought model #
1020
> > which
> > > looks the same as #1020, except it is spring assisted.
> > >
> > > How did you access the mounting bolts?
> > >
> > > Don Haas,
> > > M15-248
> > >
> > >
> > > DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> > >
> > > > I just installed a Fulton outboard motor bracket for my M-15. I
> > purchased
> > > > it from West Marine for $120 and some change. I also have a Honda
2hp
> > and
> > > > it fits fine.
> > > >
> > > > Doug
> > > > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: John & Lisa Abbott <abbottlt@earthlink.net>
> > > > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:23 PM
> > > > Subject: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> > > >
> > > > > Good afternoon all,
> > > > >
> > > > > Well I'm sitting here with "Alta GO II" in the garage with a brand
new
> > > > > Honda 2HP Outboard on her and am looking for a good quality
adjustable
> > > > > motor mount so I can get my new engine out the way during
launching
> > and
> > > > > recovery (the large cowling on the engine prevents me from
> > accomplishing
> > > > > this with the current mount).
> > > > >
> > > > > Any recommendations would be welcome,
> > > > >
> > > > > thanx
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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From: Robert Eeg <bobeeg@earthlink.net>
Subject: M_Boats: Roto-zip....nada
Date: 23 Nov 2000 06:24:41 +0000
Don..............forget the roto-zip.....
Use a hole saw. We install a round access plate
and all you need is a 4 inch (or larger if you buy the
bigger plate) hole saw. After cutting the perfect circle
with the hole saw the 'frame' fits perfectly. You will
then have to screw (with stainless sheet metal screws,
after pre-drilling the holes with a pilot drill) the frame
to the deck.
Fit everything first, then remove it. Dry.
Change out the motor mount and THEN install the properly bedded (boatlife caulk,
not 5200)
and already pre-drilled frame with its screw- in access
plate.
I don't know if a stern access plate would work well
on the 15. There's not much room to manuever a wrench.
Its so close that when we deck one (we use a 1/2 inch
backup plate for the motor mount) that the back wall of the deck 'almost' rubs
the locknuts that we install on the
motor mount. Its real close....
Maybe go on the side of the seat footwell.
Or hire a little kid to crawl down under the cockpit with
a wrench ;-)
Fair winds
Bob
Nor'Sea
DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> Transom or seat, both will work well I imagine.
>
> Doug
> dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Haas <dshaas@sprintmail.com>
> To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
>
> > Hi Doug;
> >
> > Thanks for the reply.
> > Did you have a reason for installing the deck plate on the seat rather
> than the
> > inside surface of the transom. The reason I ask is because I was planning
> to go
> > the transom route. I won't get to this project until next spring, so I'm
> hoping
> > Santa will bring me a Roto-Zip for the job. One cannot have too many
> tools can
> > they?
> >
> > Don Haas
> >
> >
> > DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> >
> > > I bought the 1050, they are the same, except I do not have the springs.
> I
> > > cut a hole for a small deck plate in the seat close to the transom so I
> > > could access the bolts to remove the old mount and install the new one.
> I
> > > then installed a screw type deck plate.
> > >
> > > Have fun,
> > >
> > > Doug
> > > Alegria, M-15 233
> > >
> > > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Don Haas <dshaas@sprintmail.com>
> > > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:35 PM
> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> > >
> > > > Doug;
> > > >
> > > > What model number Fulton did you buy? Just todau, I bought model #
> 1020
> > > which
> > > > looks the same as #1020, except it is spring assisted.
> > > >
> > > > How did you access the mounting bolts?
> > > >
> > > > Don Haas,
> > > > M15-248
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I just installed a Fulton outboard motor bracket for my M-15. I
> > > purchased
> > > > > it from West Marine for $120 and some change. I also have a Honda
> 2hp
> > > and
> > > > > it fits fine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug
> > > > > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: John & Lisa Abbott <abbottlt@earthlink.net>
> > > > > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:23 PM
> > > > > Subject: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> > > > >
> > > > > > Good afternoon all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well I'm sitting here with "Alta GO II" in the garage with a brand
> new
> > > > > > Honda 2HP Outboard on her and am looking for a good quality
> adjustable
> > > > > > motor mount so I can get my new engine out the way during
> launching
> > > and
> > > > > > recovery (the large cowling on the engine prevents me from
> > > accomplishing
> > > > > > this with the current mount).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any recommendations would be welcome,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanx
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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From: Don Haas <dshaas@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Roto-zip....nada
Date: 27 Nov 2000 20:27:05 -0800
Bob;
Thanks for the advice. One of the reasons I had not changed out the MM before was
due to the trauma associated with cutting any kind of hole in the boat at all.
Your instructions will help a great deal when I start the project in the spring.
On another tack...
Is it possible to change the ad picture inside the front cover of the SCA to an M-15
showing a little more pazazz. This one, with the main furled and the motor down
doesn't do justice to a Montgomery under full sail with a bit of wind to work with.
Just a thought.
Thanks again for the helpful advice.
Don Haas
Robert Eeg wrote:
> Don..............forget the roto-zip.....
> Use a hole saw. We install a round access plate
> and all you need is a 4 inch (or larger if you buy the
> bigger plate) hole saw. After cutting the perfect circle
> with the hole saw the 'frame' fits perfectly. You will
> then have to screw (with stainless sheet metal screws,
> after pre-drilling the holes with a pilot drill) the frame
> to the deck.
> Fit everything first, then remove it. Dry.
>
> Change out the motor mount and THEN install the properly bedded (boatlife caulk,
> not 5200)
> and already pre-drilled frame with its screw- in access
> plate.
>
> I don't know if a stern access plate would work well
> on the 15. There's not much room to manuever a wrench.
> Its so close that when we deck one (we use a 1/2 inch
> backup plate for the motor mount) that the back wall of the deck 'almost' rubs
> the locknuts that we install on the
> motor mount. Its real close....
> Maybe go on the side of the seat footwell.
> Or hire a little kid to crawl down under the cockpit with
> a wrench ;-)
>
> Fair winds
>
> Bob
>
> Nor'Sea
>
> DOUG DINARDO wrote:
>
> > Transom or seat, both will work well I imagine.
> >
> > Doug
> > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Don Haas <dshaas@sprintmail.com>
> > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> >
> > > Hi Doug;
> > >
> > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > Did you have a reason for installing the deck plate on the seat rather
> > than the
> > > inside surface of the transom. The reason I ask is because I was planning
> > to go
> > > the transom route. I won't get to this project until next spring, so I'm
> > hoping
> > > Santa will bring me a Roto-Zip for the job. One cannot have too many
> > tools can
> > > they?
> > >
> > > Don Haas
> > >
> > >
> > > DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> > >
> > > > I bought the 1050, they are the same, except I do not have the springs.
> > I
> > > > cut a hole for a small deck plate in the seat close to the transom so I
> > > > could access the bolts to remove the old mount and install the new one.
> > I
> > > > then installed a screw type deck plate.
> > > >
> > > > Have fun,
> > > >
> > > > Doug
> > > > Alegria, M-15 233
> > > >
> > > > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Don Haas <dshaas@sprintmail.com>
> > > > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:35 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> > > >
> > > > > Doug;
> > > > >
> > > > > What model number Fulton did you buy? Just todau, I bought model #
> > 1020
> > > > which
> > > > > looks the same as #1020, except it is spring assisted.
> > > > >
> > > > > How did you access the mounting bolts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Don Haas,
> > > > > M15-248
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I just installed a Fulton outboard motor bracket for my M-15. I
> > > > purchased
> > > > > > it from West Marine for $120 and some change. I also have a Honda
> > 2hp
> > > > and
> > > > > > it fits fine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: John & Lisa Abbott <abbottlt@earthlink.net>
> > > > > > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:23 PM
> > > > > > Subject: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good afternoon all,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well I'm sitting here with "Alta GO II" in the garage with a brand
> > new
> > > > > > > Honda 2HP Outboard on her and am looking for a good quality
> > adjustable
> > > > > > > motor mount so I can get my new engine out the way during
> > launching
> > > > and
> > > > > > > recovery (the large cowling on the engine prevents me from
> > > > accomplishing
> > > > > > > this with the current mount).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any recommendations would be welcome,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > thanx
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
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From: Robert Eeg <bobeeg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Roto-zip....nada
Date: 27 Nov 2000 20:38:20 +0000
Don
I'am emailing Josh Colvin now about the 23 and he will
be getting the new photos of the 15 for the Ad after
next. (too late for the next one;-)
Later
Bob
Don Haas wrote:
> Bob;
>
> Thanks for the advice. One of the reasons I had not changed out the MM before was
> due to the trauma associated with cutting any kind of hole in the boat at all.
> Your instructions will help a great deal when I start the project in the spring.
>
> On another tack...
> Is it possible to change the ad picture inside the front cover of the SCA to an M-15
> showing a little more pazazz. This one, with the main furled and the motor down
> doesn't do justice to a Montgomery under full sail with a bit of wind to work with.
> Just a thought.
>
> Thanks again for the helpful advice.
>
> Don Haas
>
> Robert Eeg wrote:
>
> > Don..............forget the roto-zip.....
> > Use a hole saw. We install a round access plate
> > and all you need is a 4 inch (or larger if you buy the
> > bigger plate) hole saw. After cutting the perfect circle
> > with the hole saw the 'frame' fits perfectly. You will
> > then have to screw (with stainless sheet metal screws,
> > after pre-drilling the holes with a pilot drill) the frame
> > to the deck.
> > Fit everything first, then remove it. Dry.
> >
> > Change out the motor mount and THEN install the properly bedded (boatlife caulk,
> > not 5200)
> > and already pre-drilled frame with its screw- in access
> > plate.
> >
> > I don't know if a stern access plate would work well
> > on the 15. There's not much room to manuever a wrench.
> > Its so close that when we deck one (we use a 1/2 inch
> > backup plate for the motor mount) that the back wall of the deck 'almost' rubs
> > the locknuts that we install on the
> > motor mount. Its real close....
> > Maybe go on the side of the seat footwell.
> > Or hire a little kid to crawl down under the cockpit with
> > a wrench ;-)
> >
> > Fair winds
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > Nor'Sea
> >
> > DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> >
> > > Transom or seat, both will work well I imagine.
> > >
> > > Doug
> > > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Don Haas <dshaas@sprintmail.com>
> > > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> > >
> > > > Hi Doug;
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the reply.
> > > > Did you have a reason for installing the deck plate on the seat rather
> > > than the
> > > > inside surface of the transom. The reason I ask is because I was planning
> > > to go
> > > > the transom route. I won't get to this project until next spring, so I'm
> > > hoping
> > > > Santa will bring me a Roto-Zip for the job. One cannot have too many
> > > tools can
> > > > they?
> > > >
> > > > Don Haas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I bought the 1050, they are the same, except I do not have the springs.
> > > I
> > > > > cut a hole for a small deck plate in the seat close to the transom so I
> > > > > could access the bolts to remove the old mount and install the new one.
> > > I
> > > > > then installed a screw type deck plate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have fun,
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug
> > > > > Alegria, M-15 233
> > > > >
> > > > > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Don Haas <dshaas@sprintmail.com>
> > > > > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 6:35 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> > > > >
> > > > > > Doug;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What model number Fulton did you buy? Just todau, I bought model #
> > > 1020
> > > > > which
> > > > > > looks the same as #1020, except it is spring assisted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How did you access the mounting bolts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don Haas,
> > > > > > M15-248
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DOUG DINARDO wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just installed a Fulton outboard motor bracket for my M-15. I
> > > > > purchased
> > > > > > > it from West Marine for $120 and some change. I also have a Honda
> > > 2hp
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > it fits fine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > > dj.dinardo@prodigy.net
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: John & Lisa Abbott <abbottlt@earthlink.net>
> > > > > > > To: <montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:23 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: M_Boats: Adjustable motor mount for an M-15
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good afternoon all,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well I'm sitting here with "Alta GO II" in the garage with a brand
> > > new
> > > > > > > > Honda 2HP Outboard on her and am looking for a good quality
> > > adjustable
> > > > > > > > motor mount so I can get my new engine out the way during
> > > launching
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > recovery (the large cowling on the engine prevents me from
> > > > > accomplishing
> > > > > > > > this with the current mount).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any recommendations would be welcome,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > thanx
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From: Douglas Peebles <douglas@douglaspeebles.com>
Subject: M_Boats: New owner - Hawaii
Date: 28 Nov 2000 07:01:22 -1000
I recently bought a 91 model Mongomery 17 (presently named"Later") at an
auction at Kaneohe Yacht Club. Oahu, Hawaii. I am in the process of
fixing it up (fortunately it was all ready in pretty good shape).
I have read on a couple of web sites that at least one of these boats
has sailed from California to here. I was interested in finding out if
anyone had more information about that. The boat I bought had some extra
rigging set up, used to have a VHF, and has no trailer. I was wondering
if it could be the boat that made the trip.
Douglas Peebles
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From: rc2222@postoffice.pacbell.net
Subject: Re: M_Boats: New owner - Hawaii
Date: 28 Nov 2000 09:17:44 -0800
Doug:
Congratulations on your purchase of a terrific sailboat.
It's my understanding it was a Montgomery 15 that sailed to
Hawaii- named "Little Breeze". However, a 17 could have
just as well sailed to Hawaii.
Rich Cottrell
Douglas Peebles wrote:
> I recently bought a 91 model Mongomery 17 (presently named"Later") at an
> auction at Kaneohe Yacht Club. Oahu, Hawaii. I am in the process of
> fixing it up (fortunately it was all ready in pretty good shape).
>
> I have read on a couple of web sites that at least one of these boats
> has sailed from California to here. I was interested in finding out if
> anyone had more information about that. The boat I bought had some extra
> rigging set up, used to have a VHF, and has no trailer. I was wondering
> if it could be the boat that made the trip.
>
> Douglas Peebles
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From: jerry montgomery <jmbn@innercite.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: CB Question
Date: 28 Nov 2000 14:33:03 +0000
Cast bronze is a great material for underwater applications, except for
cost. Don't remember the weight for sure, and my books are at home, but
the weight is more than iron (450 LB per cu ft) and less than lead (700
lbs per cu ft). Go for it.
Jerry
Howard A wrote:
>
> My ignorance is on display here, but since bronze is the metal of choice
> for underwater applications for corrosion problems, why not use it for
> centerboards?
>
> I figure the limitations are density (vs. cast iron, steel or lead cored
> glass), expense and possibly durability. Does anyone know how bronze
> stacks up in these categories?
>
> Howard
> M-17, #278
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From: jerry montgomery <jmbn@innercite.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 Windows
Date: 28 Nov 2000 14:28:52 +0000
I really don't remember for sure, but it might have been Alexander
Roberts CO, at that time the RonstAn distributor, located in Irvine, CA.
Jerry
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From: jerry montgomery <jmbn@innercite.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: New owner - Hawaii
Date: 28 Nov 2000 15:15:18 +0000
A 17 also sailed to HI, and in the early 90's. Don't know much more
about it except apparently there was a write-up about it in a local
paper in HI. I heard this from an aquaintance thAt was there when the
17 landed.
Jerry
rc2222@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> Doug:
>
> Congratulations on your purchase of a terrific sailboat.
>
> It's my understanding it was a Montgomery 15 that sailed to
> Hawaii- named "Little Breeze". However, a 17 could have
> just as well sailed to Hawaii.
>
> Rich Cottrell
>
> Douglas Peebles wrote:
>
> > I recently bought a 91 model Mongomery 17 (presently named"Later") at an
> > auction at Kaneohe Yacht Club. Oahu, Hawaii. I am in the process of
> > fixing it up (fortunately it was all ready in pretty good shape).
> >
> > I have read on a couple of web sites that at least one of these boats
> > has sailed from California to here. I was interested in finding out if
> > anyone had more information about that. The boat I bought had some extra
> > rigging set up, used to have a VHF, and has no trailer. I was wondering
> > if it could be the boat that made the trip.
> >
> > Douglas Peebles
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From: Tom Smith <TSmith@linesoft.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Jerry--mast track and car for spinnaker
Date: 28 Nov 2000 14:44:39 -0800
How much track and its approximate location on the mast for the car for the
pole? How's life? T
Tom Smith
M15--Chukar
Sandpoint, Idaho
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:15 AM
A 17 also sailed to HI, and in the early 90's. Don't know much more
about it except apparently there was a write-up about it in a local
paper in HI. I heard this from an aquaintance thAt was there when the
17 landed.
Jerry
rc2222@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> Doug:
>
> Congratulations on your purchase of a terrific sailboat.
>
> It's my understanding it was a Montgomery 15 that sailed to
> Hawaii- named "Little Breeze". However, a 17 could have
> just as well sailed to Hawaii.
>
> Rich Cottrell
>
> Douglas Peebles wrote:
>
> > I recently bought a 91 model Mongomery 17 (presently named"Later") at an
> > auction at Kaneohe Yacht Club. Oahu, Hawaii. I am in the process of
> > fixing it up (fortunately it was all ready in pretty good shape).
> >
> > I have read on a couple of web sites that at least one of these boats
> > has sailed from California to here. I was interested in finding out if
> > anyone had more information about that. The boat I bought had some extra
> > rigging set up, used to have a VHF, and has no trailer. I was wondering
> > if it could be the boat that made the trip.
> >
> > Douglas Peebles
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From: AirEvacLen@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: New owner - Hawaii
Date: 28 Nov 2000 20:04:32 EST
In a message dated 11/28/2000 3:13:15 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
jmbn@innercite.com writes:
<< Don't know much more
about it except apparently there was a write-up about it in a local
paper in HI. >>
Welcome to the club......... : ) Maybe you could contact a local
newspaper and see if you can locate anything in the archives..........Maybe a
long shot, but could be fun.
Lenny
M-23#003
Sea Horse
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From: Howard A <haudsley@tranquility.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: New owner - Hawaii
Date: 28 Nov 2000 19:46:57 -0600
Douglas:
Congratulations on your purchase. I hope you enjoy your boat as much as I
do mine.
I bought M17 #278 last year from a guy who attempted the C to H crossing,
also last summer. As he explained it to me, he got three days out, changed
his mind, sailed her back to San Francisco bay, loaded her up, pulled her
home and shortly thereafter, put her up for sale (I think his wife
suggested he do the last one). She seemed relieved that I was taking it
away.
I can't fault the guy for chasing his dream, but in my opinion, he was
pushing his luck as:
1. His only navigation tool was a single handheld gps. No 2nd unit, and no
celestial backup. There is a bulkhead mounted compass, and an analog
knotmeter, but it isn't reliable. Dead reckoning would be a guess at best.
If the gps went out, he was going to have a hard time finding Hawaii.
2. Sail inventory was a main with single reef point, 100% jib and 155%
genoa. I have since added a 2nd reef point on the main, and a 75% storm
jib. Without the 2nd reef and the smaller jib, anything more than 25 to 30
knot winds is an adventure. He also left in early summer, which, I
understand is hurricane season out there.
3. Older 4 hp Johnson, with 3 gallons gas. Sailing was his only realistic
method of getting there.
4. Rigging was ok, but not new. Lots of stressed parts, such as shroud
turnbuckles, stressed rings, etc. Don't know how many spares he had with
him, if any.
5. No lifelines or jacklines rigged and no harness. When I asked him about
this, he said he had just resolved himself to stay in the boat no matter
what. A risk, since the jibs are hanked on, forcing you onto the deck to
make sail changes, and the halyards are cleated at the mast.
6. No mast mounted radio...may have had a handheld. May have had safely
flares to signal passing ships.
7. He took about 20 gallons of water, with no other source of getting more.
8. No autopilot or self steering mechanism, other than a tiller lock.
Apparently fatigue and lack of sleep were factors forcing him to turn back.
That and beating into rough seas for 3 days and making very little
progress. He sailed back downwind in one day the same distance he had made
in 3 days.
He did have a solar panel rigged to keep the battery charged for navigation
lights, and did have a radar reflector and small inflatable dingy. He also
had a parasail storm anchor and 300' anchor line.
And lastly, if this is an endorsment, so be it, he placed lots of faith in
the boat. And maybe with good reason, as he told me of surfing down 8'
swells on the way back in, running wing and wing. Pushing his luck as he
did, the boat still got him safely back home.
Howard
M17, #278
To be renamed "AUDASEA"
Douglas Peebles wrote:
> I recently bought a 91 model Mongomery 17 (presently named"Later") at an
> auction at Kaneohe Yacht Club. Oahu, Hawaii. I am in the process of
> fixing it up (fortunately it was all ready in pretty good shape).
>
> I have read on a couple of web sites that at least one of these boats
> has sailed from California to here. I was interested in finding out if
> anyone had more information about that. The boat I bought had some extra
> rigging set up, used to have a VHF, and has no trailer. I was wondering
> if it could be the boat that made the trip.
>
> Douglas Peebles
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From: "Shelley Daringer" <s_daringer@hotmail.com>
Subject: M_Boats: new
Date: 28 Nov 2000 20:53:19 -0600
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I am assuming it will be on the registration, but cannot decipher it.
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M17
No Worries
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From: "Shelley Daringer" <s_daringer@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: P.S. Shelley
Date: 28 Nov 2000 21:25:01 -0600
Thanks Tod! I'll check it out in the morning when I can see it....
Shelley
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:16 PM
I just noticed that the page http://msog.brinet.net/index.htm doesn't
tell you that the HIN, or Hull Identification Number, is usually located
on the transom on the starboard side just below the gunwale. Or, in
regular language if you are new to sailing it's on the top right-hand side
of the back of the boat.
Tod
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From: Harleyxlhs@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: P.S. Shelley
Date: 28 Nov 2000 22:28:35 EST
unsubscribe
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From: "Roberta & Mark Dvorscak" <edarts@rosenet.net>
Subject: M_Boats: RE: Hawaii crossing
Date: 28 Nov 2000 23:16:51 -0800
Hey Howard A,
You must be in Kansas. I negotiated for a while on that boat too! The
smartest thing he did was turn around. He had no idea what he was doing. I'm
glad the deal fell through for me on #278. It left me ready when GRACE came
along and it got a boat for you that was practically next door. I hope he
didn't use my interest as a bargaining chip against you.
Fair Winds
Mark Dvorscak
M17 #400
GRACE
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 5:46 PM
> Douglas:
>
> Congratulations on your purchase. I hope you enjoy your boat as much as I
> do mine.
>
> I bought M17 #278 last year from a guy who attempted the C to H crossing,
> also last summer. As he explained it to me, he got three days out, changed
> his mind, sailed her back to San Francisco bay, loaded her up, pulled her
> home and shortly thereafter, put her up for sale (I think his wife
> suggested he do the last one). She seemed relieved that I was taking it
> away.
>
> I can't fault the guy for chasing his dream, but in my opinion, he was
> pushing his luck as:
>
> 1. His only navigation tool was a single handheld gps. No 2nd unit, and no
> celestial backup. There is a bulkhead mounted compass, and an analog
> knotmeter, but it isn't reliable. Dead reckoning would be a guess at best.
> If the gps went out, he was going to have a hard time finding Hawaii.
>
> 2. Sail inventory was a main with single reef point, 100% jib and 155%
> genoa. I have since added a 2nd reef point on the main, and a 75% storm
> jib. Without the 2nd reef and the smaller jib, anything more than 25 to 30
> knot winds is an adventure. He also left in early summer, which, I
> understand is hurricane season out there.
>
> 3. Older 4 hp Johnson, with 3 gallons gas. Sailing was his only realistic
> method of getting there.
>
> 4. Rigging was ok, but not new. Lots of stressed parts, such as shroud
> turnbuckles, stressed rings, etc. Don't know how many spares he had with
> him, if any.
>
> 5. No lifelines or jacklines rigged and no harness. When I asked him about
> this, he said he had just resolved himself to stay in the boat no matter
> what. A risk, since the jibs are hanked on, forcing you onto the deck to
> make sail changes, and the halyards are cleated at the mast.
>
> 6. No mast mounted radio...may have had a handheld. May have had safely
> flares to signal passing ships.
>
> 7. He took about 20 gallons of water, with no other source of getting
more.
>
> 8. No autopilot or self steering mechanism, other than a tiller lock.
> Apparently fatigue and lack of sleep were factors forcing him to turn
back.
> That and beating into rough seas for 3 days and making very little
> progress. He sailed back downwind in one day the same distance he had made
> in 3 days.
>
> He did have a solar panel rigged to keep the battery charged for
navigation
> lights, and did have a radar reflector and small inflatable dingy. He also
> had a parasail storm anchor and 300' anchor line.
>
> And lastly, if this is an endorsment, so be it, he placed lots of faith in
> the boat. And maybe with good reason, as he told me of surfing down 8'
> swells on the way back in, running wing and wing. Pushing his luck as he
> did, the boat still got him safely back home.
>
> Howard
> M17, #278
>
> To be renamed "AUDASEA"
>
>
>
>
>
> Douglas Peebles wrote:
>
> > I recently bought a 91 model Mongomery 17 (presently named"Later") at an
> > auction at Kaneohe Yacht Club. Oahu, Hawaii. I am in the process of
> > fixing it up (fortunately it was all ready in pretty good shape).
> >
> > I have read on a couple of web sites that at least one of these boats
> > has sailed from California to here. I was interested in finding out if
> > anyone had more information about that. The boat I bought had some extra
> > rigging set up, used to have a VHF, and has no trailer. I was wondering
> > if it could be the boat that made the trip.
> >
> > Douglas Peebles
>
>
>
>
>
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From: Howard A <haudsley@tranquility.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Hawaii crossing
Date: 29 Nov 2000 06:54:19 -0600
Roberta & Mark Dvorscak wrote:
> Hey Howard A,
> You must be in Kansas.
Actually, Missouri, but Kansas is in the vicinity.
When I tell that story to folks in our sailing club, jaws drop. They sail 22'
to 28' O'Days, Catalinas, Hunters, etc., and none of them would even consider
it in their boats.
On the other hand, I have no doubt that a properly equiped 17, in the right
hands, could make the crossing. But #278 and that sailer were not prepared for
such a trip.
And as for selling it, his wife was pushing him to sell it to the first person
who offered any amount of money. There wasn't much negotiating on my offer.
Which brings me back to Douglas in Hawaii. I recently attended a seminar put on
by a Marine surveyor, who told us that Hawaii was a great place to buy
sailboats. Guys buy boats, set off around the world with their reluctant wives,
they have a near death experience somewhere too far out to turn back, they get
to Hawaii where she demands they abandon the boat. Apparently it happens often
enough that these types of boats accumulate in Hawaii, creating a glut of boats
for sale. I guess I would ask Douglas if this sounds true? Are there gobs and
bunches of abandoned boats out there for sale?
Howard
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From: Tom Smith <TSmith@linesoft.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: RE: Hawaii crossing
Date: 29 Nov 2000 07:12:32 -0800
If I owned a Catalina, an O'Day, or a Hunter, I wouldn't consider it
either...
Tom Smith
LineSoft Corporation
Phone: 509-928-1707 ext. 248
Fax: 509-928-2581
E-mail: tsmith@linesoft.com
Website: www.linesoft.com
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 4:54 AM
Roberta & Mark Dvorscak wrote:
> Hey Howard A,
> You must be in Kansas.
Actually, Missouri, but Kansas is in the vicinity.
When I tell that story to folks in our sailing club, jaws drop. They sail
22'
to 28' O'Days, Catalinas, Hunters, etc., and none of them would even
consider
it in their boats.
On the other hand, I have no doubt that a properly equiped 17, in the right
hands, could make the crossing. But #278 and that sailer were not prepared
for
such a trip.
And as for selling it, his wife was pushing him to sell it to the first
person
who offered any amount of money. There wasn't much negotiating on my offer.
Which brings me back to Douglas in Hawaii. I recently attended a seminar put
on
by a Marine surveyor, who told us that Hawaii was a great place to buy
sailboats. Guys buy boats, set off around the world with their reluctant
wives,
they have a near death experience somewhere too far out to turn back, they
get
to Hawaii where she demands they abandon the boat. Apparently it happens
often
enough that these types of boats accumulate in Hawaii, creating a glut of
boats
for sale. I guess I would ask Douglas if this sounds true? Are there gobs
and
bunches of abandoned boats out there for sale?
Howard
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From: Douglas Peebles <douglas@douglaspeebles.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: Hawaii crossing
Date: 29 Nov 2000 06:07:37 -1000
Howard,
Thanks for your info. I have no intention of sailing the boat back to California,
or on to Tahiti for that matter. I could go inter-island here in the future, if my
free time and good weather happen to coincide.
I got the boat from a member of the yacht club who donated it for auction( and as
a tax write off) to the junior sailing fleet. With the exception of replacing all
the stays and the tiller it was in excellent condition. It came with a 4 hp
Evinrude. I got it for $2700 which I think was a pretty good deal. I am no expert
but I believe what you heard about Hawaii is probably true. There is a monthly
newspaper called the Hawaii Boat trader that lists much of what is for sale here
and there seem to be some low priced boats, especially the bigger ones.
Doug
Howard A wrote:
> Roberta & Mark Dvorscak wrote:
>
> > Hey Howard A,
> > You must be in Kansas.
>
> Actually, Missouri, but Kansas is in the vicinity.
>
> When I tell that story to folks in our sailing club, jaws drop. They sail 22'
> to 28' O'Days, Catalinas, Hunters, etc., and none of them would even consider
> it in their boats.
>
> On the other hand, I have no doubt that a properly equiped 17, in the right
> hands, could make the crossing. But #278 and that sailer were not prepared for
> such a trip.
>
> And as for selling it, his wife was pushing him to sell it to the first person
> who offered any amount of money. There wasn't much negotiating on my offer.
>
> Which brings me back to Douglas in Hawaii. I recently attended a seminar put on
> by a Marine surveyor, who told us that Hawaii was a great place to buy
> sailboats. Guys buy boats, set off around the world with their reluctant wives,
> they have a near death experience somewhere too far out to turn back, they get
> to Hawaii where she demands they abandon the boat. Apparently it happens often
> enough that these types of boats accumulate in Hawaii, creating a glut of boats
> for sale. I guess I would ask Douglas if this sounds true? Are there gobs and
> bunches of abandoned boats out there for sale?
>
> Howard
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From: "Roberta & Mark Dvorscak" <edarts@rosenet.net>
Subject: M_Boats: great deal Douglas
Date: 29 Nov 2000 18:13:12 -0800
That is a great price even considering that there is no trailer. What need
would you have for a trailer anyway in the islands? Congratulations.
Mark and Roberta Dvorscak
M17 #400
GRACE
Doug wrote:
> Thanks for your info. I have no intention of sailing the boat back to
California,
> or on to Tahiti for that matter. I could go inter-island here in the
future, if my
> free time and good weather happen to coincide.
>
> I got the boat from a member of the yacht club who donated it for
uction( and as
> a tax write off) to the junior sailing fleet. With the exception of
replacing all
> the stays and the tiller it was in excellent condition. It came with a 4
hp
> Evinrude. I got it for $2700 which I think was a pretty good deal. I am no
expert
> but I believe what you heard about Hawaii is probably true. There is a
monthly
> newspaper called the Hawaii Boat trader that lists much of what is for
sale here
> and there seem to be some low priced boats, especially the bigger ones.
>
> Doug
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From: Wcpritchett@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 For Sale
Date: 30 Nov 2000 08:37:07 EST
Just found this in the Sailboat Trader in Florida...if anyone is interested.
1999 M17, roller furling, Honda 5hp 4-stroke, trailer, $9950, 321-632-6961.
This is not my sailboat, only passing the info along.
Bill P.
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From: "Tom Richards" <gldd@grandlakecolorado.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 For Sale
Date: 30 Nov 2000 07:22:47 -0700
Here's a link with 3 available M17's for sale, one of which is mine (1982),
plus a 1999 and a 1980.
http://www.boattraderonline.com/adsearchprocess.html
Tom Richards
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 6:37 AM
> Just found this in the Sailboat Trader in Florida...if anyone is
interested.
> 1999 M17, roller furling, Honda 5hp 4-stroke, trailer, $9950,
321-632-6961.
>
> This is not my sailboat, only passing the info along.
>
> Bill P.
>
>
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From: jerry montgomery <jmbn@innercite.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Jerry--mast track and car for spinnaker
Date: 30 Nov 2000 13:07:19 +0000
Hi Tom- A couple of feet of track should be fine for A 15, and center
it about even with the gooseneck. Didn't we put a ring on the mast when
you were here? I think so. If so, the ring will be fine. Anyone from
Idaho doesn't know what to do with an adjustment, anyway.
Just got back from CO, where it was -8 in the back of my truck when I
got up. Brutal. I froze my stocking cap to my face at nite and it hung
from my upper lip until it thawed in the tent. We have lots of elk
meat. Say hi toJane. Jerry
Tom Smith wrote:
>
> How much track and its approximate location on the mast for the car for the
> pole? How's life? T
>
> Tom Smith
> M15--Chukar
> Sandpoint, Idaho
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jerry montgomery [mailto:jmbn@innercite.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:15 AM
> To: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New owner - Hawaii
>
> A 17 also sailed to HI, and in the early 90's. Don't know much more
> about it except apparently there was a write-up about it in a local
> paper in HI. I heard this from an aquaintance thAt was there when the
> 17 landed.
>
> Jerry
>
> rc2222@pacbell.net wrote:
> >
> > Doug:
> >
> > Congratulations on your purchase of a terrific sailboat.
> >
> > It's my understanding it was a Montgomery 15 that sailed to
> > Hawaii- named "Little Breeze". However, a 17 could have
> > just as well sailed to Hawaii.
> >
> > Rich Cottrell
> >
> > Douglas Peebles wrote:
> >
> > > I recently bought a 91 model Mongomery 17 (presently named"Later") at an
> > > auction at Kaneohe Yacht Club. Oahu, Hawaii. I am in the process of
> > > fixing it up (fortunately it was all ready in pretty good shape).
> > >
> > > I have read on a couple of web sites that at least one of these boats
> > > has sailed from California to here. I was interested in finding out if
> > > anyone had more information about that. The boat I bought had some extra
> > > rigging set up, used to have a VHF, and has no trailer. I was wondering
> > > if it could be the boat that made the trip.
> > >
> > > Douglas Peebles
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From: TOMMYVAL@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 For Sale
Date: 30 Nov 2000 15:06:14 EST
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I believe this is hull number 1 from NorSea. This boat is pictured on the
NorSea web
page. Sounds like someone is going to get a heck of a deal.
good luck to the potential buyers
take care
Gary
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From: Tom Smith <TSmith@linesoft.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Jerry--mast track and car for spinnaker
Date: 30 Nov 2000 14:06:54 -0800
There was a ring on the mast when I bought Chukar. And yes, we know how to
adjust plenty up here in Idaho. Which reminds me, I'm getting in shape to
adjust your marathon paddling attitude next summer. Nationals? Tahoe? You
name it. Your friend. T
Tom Smith
M15--Chukar
Sandpoint, Idaho
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 5:07 AM
Hi Tom- A couple of feet of track should be fine for A 15, and center
it about even with the gooseneck. Didn't we put a ring on the mast when
you were here? I think so. If so, the ring will be fine. Anyone from
Idaho doesn't know what to do with an adjustment, anyway.
Just got back from CO, where it was -8 in the back of my truck when I
got up. Brutal. I froze my stocking cap to my face at nite and it hung
from my upper lip until it thawed in the tent. We have lots of elk
meat. Say hi toJane. Jerry
Tom Smith wrote:
>
> How much track and its approximate location on the mast for the car for
the
> pole? How's life? T
>
> Tom Smith
> M15--Chukar
> Sandpoint, Idaho
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jerry montgomery [mailto:jmbn@innercite.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:15 AM
> To: montgomery_boats@lists.xmission.com
> Subject: Re: M_Boats: New owner - Hawaii
>
> A 17 also sailed to HI, and in the early 90's. Don't know much more
> about it except apparently there was a write-up about it in a local
> paper in HI. I heard this from an aquaintance thAt was there when the
> 17 landed.
>
> Jerry
>
> rc2222@pacbell.net wrote:
> >
> > Doug:
> >
> > Congratulations on your purchase of a terrific sailboat.
> >
> > It's my understanding it was a Montgomery 15 that sailed to
> > Hawaii- named "Little Breeze". However, a 17 could have
> > just as well sailed to Hawaii.
> >
> > Rich Cottrell
> >
> > Douglas Peebles wrote:
> >
> > > I recently bought a 91 model Mongomery 17 (presently named"Later") at
an
> > > auction at Kaneohe Yacht Club. Oahu, Hawaii. I am in the process of
> > > fixing it up (fortunately it was all ready in pretty good shape).
> > >
> > > I have read on a couple of web sites that at least one of these boats
> > > has sailed from California to here. I was interested in finding out if
> > > anyone had more information about that. The boat I bought had some
extra
> > > rigging set up, used to have a VHF, and has no trailer. I was
wondering
> > > if it could be the boat that made the trip.
> > >
> > > Douglas Peebles