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mobility-digest        Thursday, March 29 2001        Volume 04 : Number 557



(mobility) Re: picking on AJ
Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ
RE: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ
Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ
(mobility) Some Moby News/Gossip
(mobility) finally proof!
Re: (mobility) finally proof!
Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ
(mobility) Remix fans

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:29:17 -0500
From: AJ Miyagi Brustein <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ

I agree with everythign that Bart said, but have more to say. This kind
of stuff happens to everyone with everything. People who used to love
wraps (the sandwichy food) 10 years ago, people who used to shop in
Abercrombie and Fitch (5 years ago), people who lived in silicon valley
15 years ago.... The list of examples ca nbe broght from anywwhere, but
it happens all the time.
    As for me, it was almost like a game. I could listen to Moby and then I
could tell me friends about him. I could go to a club or watch a movie
or something and every so often Moby (or something like him) would come
on and I would listen and kinda feel good if it was Moby. (People would
talk of a Moby spotting on M2 at like 3 in the morning). I would go CD
shopping and ignore stores like TOWER and HMV (for the simple reason
they didn't have Moby - the techno section comprised of crapy house
compilations) and look for the hidden away stores that might have
something. I could do a search on eBay and get 45 results instead of 600
(which meant none of these crap like now - "neatly ripped out ad with
Moby from Rolling Stone" type stuff). I could check my email, get
something from mobility but something that I was actually interested in
reading.  We used to talk about Moby and how it would be so awesome if
he got famous so everyone could know him. I guess I should be careful
what I wish for, because I never imagined it like this. And Moby was
NEVER popular like this in the UK. There are plenty of bands on the
charts in America that no one has ever heard of
    Anyway, the point is that while Moby (like Wraps and Abercrombie and
fitch) may not have changed, everythign around him has. I never did
recommend Play even when it first came out in99 and Moby was popular
because I didn't really like the album. But now that everywhere is Play
overload it kinda of detracts from all his other great stuff (for me
anyway). Maybe I would've been more happy if he got famous off of ETW or
something like that, but I don't know. Anyway, I wanted to Thank Bart
for his other mail to me, and I will think about my CDs, plus I realized
that all the jewel cases are in Baltimroe and I am in Boston so I
woudn't be able to sell the CDs until May anyway.... Oh well. Later.
AJ

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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:47:17 -0600
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ

Enjoyed your laundry list, man...

> people who used to shop in
> Abercrombie and Fitch (5 years ago), people who lived in silicon valley
> 15 years ago.... The list of examples ca nbe broght from anywwhere, but
> it happens all the time.

Jesus, *5* years ago?  I don't know where you're from, but here in the
Midwest A&F is still as strong as ever.  That's the thing about where I'm
from, styles tend to get here a little later and are absorbed at a slower
pace, which means they tend to stay longer too.  EVEN I have an A&F Tshirt.
I bought a plain white, $6 Tshirt from a discount store and wrote
Abercrombie and Fitch on it with black magic marker.  I have no idea why I
get so many stares.

Actually if you want to imagine what my state is like (Nebraska), imagine
antarctica (in the winter at least), add some buildings and populate it with
1.3 million boring, ugly, fat people that have a taste for country music and
line dancing, and that's pretty much it.  You can categorize everyone in one
basic category: All the guys are "A&F" people and all the girls are Dixie
Chicks.  You probably understand the type of person that wears A&F already,
but for those not in the know, "Dixie Chick" would best be described as a
person trying to be pop but still loves their country.  God I need to
graduate soon.

> As for me, it was almost like a game. I could listen to Moby and then I
<snip>... And Moby was
> NEVER popular like this in the UK. There are plenty of bands on the
> charts in America that no one has ever heard of

Here here.  I've lost that loving feeling too, however don't worry.  I am
almost 90% sure that, like all mass marketed things, this is just a fad.
People will move on and it may go back to like it was.  Even if it doesn't
and we never have such enjoyment like that again, there is no reason to stop
liking his other stuff is there?  You fell in love with his music because it
was good on its own merits, not because you thought you found an unknown
little jem and by liking it you would become a member of a secret society of
Moby lovers; or if you did then you liked his music for the wrong reasons.
Chill out, stop listening to his albums for a while, and come back to him
some time with a renewed sense of fan-love.

Chris

PS. if you do end up selling them, I would be interested in EIW:M&R.  CD#2
was stolen by a bunch of micks that I was staying with at my dorm in Japan.
Fucking bastards.


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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:37:40 -0800
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ

> Now bringing this back to Moby. I think Moby really wasn't
> as mainstream with Go as with singles from Play.

My whole take on the thing is this: I wish EVERY single one of the
artists I love and collect would make it big.  It would be great to be
able to turn on the radio and hear nothing but music *I* like.  It
would be great to know that the artists I respect are making millions
for their music (as opposed to artists I don't enjoy so much).

The only downside I see to becoming mainstream and popular is how the
concerts will be affected.  Most of the people might not be die
hards.. there will be too many people and you might need binoculars to
see the stage.. etc.

I believe Moby will die down big time and he will be our little secret
once again years from now.  But who knows...


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Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:28:56 -0500
From: "Mike A7" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ

Bart van Eijck <[e-mail]> wrote:
> Moby always used to be one of the popular 'underground' artists. With
this I
> mean artists that make
> hitsingles but also put out weird stuff under different names etc.
Artists
> that have both hit potential
> and musical credibility. Other examples of these artists are Leftfield,
> Kosheen, Faithless, Air etc.
> (just naming the electronic ones)
> I think this all is about feeling special, if you're a collector of
anything
> you will understand. It's nice to have
> a small community of people who share the same (exclusive) interest.

Bart,
I can see where you're coming from. Right or wrong I often have those types
of feelings about artists I like too. As you know I am a HUGE
Faithless/Rollo fan and I thought it was cool you mentioned them here.
Being in the US, Faithless is not known well here at all other than by
their small group of fans here and dance music fans who know their club
hits like "Insomnia". They are much bigger in the UK and Europe and I like
it that way. I love being a fan of a great group few know about here. It
makes it easier to get really cool collectible stuff of theirs here, and it
makes the connection with other fans all the more special because you know
what others are missing out on.

Now connect that to Dido. I have known of Dido from her days signing with
Rollo on Faithless and other Cheeky projects. So when her solo CD came out
I bought it the DAY of release, being a Rollo produced CD it was exciting
to have a new CD from a member of the Cheeky family. I saw Dido play in
front of a few hundred people in a tiny club in Pontiac, Michigan, got to
meet her, etc right after the CD came out.
It was cool knowing of this great CD better than the Jewels, Sarah
McClachlan and other female singers clogging up American radio. I always
figured Dido would hit it big here, didn't understand why it took so long
but she has made up for lost time.
She's now huge here and it aggravates me to be on a Dido list and see
people post stuff like "Hey I came across a new Dido track on Napster
called "Flowerstand Man", does anyone know what this is from? A new track?
B-Side?".  I just laugh
at stuff like this from the "I love Dido, I first heard of her from Eminem"
crowd. I guess it shouldn't bug me but it does. I've tried to hip the Dido
list a few times to her work with Faithless but other than the people who
already knew, not many seem to give a shit. Their loss. All I know is Dido
is going to be on Faithless' new CD due in June and I worry a bit that the
"Dido crowd" will jump on that CD but then again I'd like to see Faithless
have more popularity and recognition in the US. But I don't won't it to
come on the back of Dido's popularity, frankly I think Rollo is more
talented than his sister overall anyways.

All of this babbling is a way to say I can understand where you're coming
from. I can understand how people can see it as being "elitist" but I can
see both sides to the story.

MikeA











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Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:17:56 -0800
From: "Matt Olson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Some Moby News/Gossip

http://cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/pagename=3D/RP/ALLSTAR/misstruth.html


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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:03:10 +0200
From: "Bart van Eijck" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) finally proof!

Yes, it's true, just follow the link:

http://moby.isgay.com/

(Tip: try other names and then .isgay.com :)

Bart


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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 16:09:12 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) finally proof!

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HAHA
I put my name in there.


Sharmila

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Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:34:39 +0100
From: martinjames <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: picking on AJ

on 23/3/01 20:40, Bart van Eijck at [e-mail] wrote:
Never meant to pick on AJ. Just find it hard understanding his perspective.
A few comments on your thoughts:

> Moby always used to be one of the popular 'underground' artists. With this I
> mean artists that make
> hitsingles but also put out weird stuff under different names etc. Artists
> that have both hit potential
> and musical credibility. Other examples of these artists are Leftfield,
> Kosheen, Faithless, Air etc.
> (just naming the electronic ones)

Again, this is all from a UK perspective. I think the main difference
between Moby and these other artists you mention (fine as they all are), is
that none of them launched their UK (and European) careers with a huge hit
single supported by daytime radio (unheard of at the time for good music to
be played during the waking hours). I think the only UK comparison to Moby
would be with Prodigy, who also released a low key single before hitting the
higher echelons of the chart with their second release.
>
> I don't know what exactly happened to make me feel Moby is no longer one of
> them, perhaps it's the
> over-promotion by V2 over the last year, perhaps it's the re-release of
> WDMHFSB? by Mute, or just me
> being in my "I hate the world and everything is wrong" phase, I don't
> know... But if it is just me, then why
> are more people having this feelings?

Yeah, I've felt like the Play horse has been flogged to within an inch of
its life.
>

> In a capitalistic society like the one we live in, exclusiveness means
> status means coolness.

OK, but that's my argument, Moby was never truly exclusive. In fact I think
his entire musical motivation has been to be inclusive, which is why he's
never gone too experimental - not even the alt.quiet mix of Hymn compares to
say Oval, or Mouse on Mars for being experimental.
>
> Now bringing this back to Moby. I think Moby really wasn't as mainstream
> with Go as with singles from Play.
> Go, at the time was only loved by people from 18-28 whereas Play does well
> in all age cathegories.
> If I would ask a 45 year old person if they knew the artist Moby in 1991, I
> would probably get the same
> answer as if I were to ask my mom who Faithless is now.  And Faithless is
> well known in a certain age
> group, but is not considered to be the mainstream act like the Vengaboys.
> I'm not saying that people of
> a certain age can't like Moby, it's just an example of how there was still
> exclusiveness (coolness, if you want)
> about his older work, and that now you can't really describe the "Moby fan"
> any more, it's not a type of people,
> a group any more. For all you know, the pope could be a huge Moby fan.

I think the biggest hole in your argument here is that many of the people
who discovered Moby when they were raving ten years ago are now ten years
older:) Moby is too. That comment is not as stupid as it seems as Moby
naturally makes music for his age peers. I was 28 when 'Go' cam, out and
I've stuck with him.. we've both grown up together. So the gratifying thing
for me now is when I hear that someone younger also digs Play, and has
subsequently discovered those so-called 'cool' Moby records. And if a 45
year old says they like Moby too, I tend to assume they were ravers back in
the day.
Incidentally, Faithless also have an older fan base in Europe. Sure they
have huge pop hits (one the biggest acts in Germany), but their albums sell
to the 24-40 age group.
Oh and I do hope the Pop is a Moby fan. That's an image I'd like to keep
when having anxiety attacks about why I've had my daughter christened a
catholic


I think we differ on our what we consider to be small groups. Of the groups
you mention above only Kosheen have yet to hit the big time in terms of
sales, yet in drum'n'bass circles they are considered to be pretty
mainstream. But I do understand that sense of loss that you feel when an
artist becomes a household name. To illustrate I'll tell you a story about
Air (one of your suggested cool bands). A few years ago I wrote the first UK
article about the French scene. As a result I met, and interviewed all of
the main players a number of times. During one of my early visits I was
given a demo tape by Air. I passed that tape on. They signed to MoWax. Then
Virgin. I've subsequently interviewed them with every new release. I really
felt like they were my discovery. Then they released 'Moon Safari' and
everyone was into them. Suddenly I had to share my secret with people I
didn't like, as well as those I love.

But... the music is still stunning, I still love what they do. I'm just not
a part of a secret elite anymore. Which is liberating really.

OK, I'm tired now
See ya
Martin


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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 19:41:16
From: "Robert Taylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Remix fans

If only we had something like this for Moby.
This is an amazing site with over 600 remixes.
Maybe someday.

Bjork Remix Web - homemade remixes site for Bjork fans

http://www.arktikos.com/bjork/


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