Subject: (mobility) responding to keiichi and dj pagan
first off:
Keiichi, I accept yr apology, even if chris doesn't ;P
I know some people who swear like they use the word
"the" so it doesnt bother me that much...
But it bothers some people. Hey, it happens.
As for Moby doing an all dance album again,,,, well,
only time will tell. I think it's possible, but I'm
not counting on it.
I only heard that MOBY was an acronym for Master Of
Beats Y'all last year when my dad told me it, when he
read the Spin cover story. I'd heard him say in
interviews that it was because of, you know, the
Herman Melville relation.
I have no problem with him doing non-dance stuff, as
long as it's GOOD..... and I'm glad he goes outside
the norm in cases like AR or the ambient stuff....
nevertheless, I kinda wish he'd revisit his Go days or
something...
Also, nothing is wrong with collaborating itself...
its just that, well, his song with Gwen didn't make
the song better, and I'm assuming that the song with
Kelis sucked too. Hey, he collaborated with Tarquin
Katis and Paul Yates in the Pork Guys, and I ain't
complainin bout dat! ;P
As for Santana, well I didn't see him live (I wanted
to but it cost too much money for me ;) but I've heard
that all he plays is mostly Supernatural stuff, and
like a few songs from Abraxas. Which is nice, but,
well, a few years ago, his shows would've been better
cause people didnt expect all those popular songs.
If people go to a Moby show now expecting South Side,
fine. I hope he plays it and people have a good time.
DJ Pagan: while I love indie rock like I love... I
don't know, good food or something, (and fittingly I'm
wearing my Badly Drawn Boy tshirt ;) ... as I said,
not all mainstream music has to suck... it just does.
I don't consider myself an indie elitist cause I'm
into all sorts of music. Its just that most of the
popular music I listen to is not of this era. Most
music of this era I listen to is not popular. Simple
as that. I'm open to all good music, its just that
most of it is not mainstream, and/or not recent. As
I've said a million times, Outkast is an exception for
me.
Of course, Outkast sort of have indie cred somehow
(the album hit #4 on the CMJ charts!!!!) but well I
still consider them mainstream. And I still consider
them good.
yackety schmackety
DJ PAUL
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ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DJ PAUL, host of Chester's Blanket Fort, 89.5 FM/wpkn.org
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:01:10
From: "Steve Giles" <power_hymn@hotmail.com>
Subject: (mobility) Been here a while
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<DIV>I joined this list a few years ago, when Titanic was in theatres. I remember this because I was upbraided for dismissing the movie as crap without having watched it. I allowed that my judgement was unfair, and then the fun began.</DIV>
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<DIV>I still haven't watched that movie. I still refuse. However, I'll reserve my judgements this time.</DIV>
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<DIV>At the time, there was still a bit of disagreement over the whole Animal Rights shocker. People on the list were familiar with each other, as it had been a small group that had been writing together for a while. The big difference in the list between then and now is, I think, that everybody present wanted to be there. I mean this in the sense that Moby was not famous yet, and just had an unusual reputation in certain cirles. So the people on the list had found Moby and taken a special effort to learn and listen more about him. Nowadays, the average Moby fan is a casual fan, not a musical seeker or explorer.</DIV>
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<DIV>(disclaimer sadly necessary nowadays: I am not judging here, merely observing. No bile spewing reflexes need activate.)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I used to write a lot to the list. I wrote about hearing Moby in public, which then was very rare and unusual, I wrote about hearing him at raves, playing his music for my family, concert experiences, and I posted interview links and news articles. I reviewed a few 12" records, including some of the Trophy line. I reread the reviews about six months ago, and my descriptions were clumsy and my musical vocabulary limited, especially in regard to dance music. Go read the Brotherhood review at moby.org for the worst example. The rest are floating through the archives somewhere.</DIV>
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<DIV>I also used to post long list of sales. I used to buy Moby records almost compulsively, so I was always searching for something else. I'd find Instinct vinyl, weird Elektra promos, and so forth, and I would post these massive lists of records and where to buy them. I eventually stopped when I realized almost nobody was paying attention or buying from my links. I think I was the one that made Action Records popular on this list, but Brad C. may have already known about the store before I started posting the link. They had shirts and videos, too, and I always wanted to order from them. I never have.</DIV>
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<DIV>I got to throw a trivia contest on the list for V2 back in early 1999. Moby signed 10 Honey/Run On singles for the winner. That was a definite highlight for me.</DIV>
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<DIV>Now I rarely post. In fact, I don't read the list unless the subject line catches my eye or the sender is somebody whose messages I like. (Incidentally, I almost always agree with Chris Bourke. Your messages are a pleasure.) It seems like most of the posts are half-hearted one-liners that are sent merely to be heard, not to say anything.</DIV>
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<DIV>I don't know about you, but before I hit the Send button, I ask myself "Why am I writing/sending this?" Especially if it's going to a list of people.</DIV>
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<DIV>This time, I don't know the answer. But I know this is better than most, and that's good enough for me.</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 09:02:04 -0800 (PST)
From: ddonk <donkeymike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Collaborating
EricTheRed is my favourite! =)
- --- Eric <stale8975@excite.com> wrote:
>
> No problem!
>
> Eric The Red
>
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:41:28 -0800 (PST),
> mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote:
>
> > THANKS! I'm old!
> > >
> > > Old people are cool!
> > >
> > > Eric The Red
> > >
> > > On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:22:59 -0800,
> > > mobility@lists.xmission.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree...why is collaboration a negative
> thing?
> > > Jazz musicians have
> > > been
> > > > doing it for ages, like, switching, playing
> with
> > > different people,
> > > different
> > > > vocalists, styles etc. And why shouldn't
> Moby be
> > > rich and famous? It's
> > > > probably fun, better than being poor and
> > > miserable. My husband made a
> > > good
> > > > point, though. He said that he thought Moby
> was
> > > exploiting himself in a
> > > > rather grotesque manner and that a low-key
> > > approach to riches and fame
> > > would
> > > > have been more suitable. I tend to agree.
> Anne
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "ddonk" <donkeymike@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <mobility@lists.xmission.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 11:31 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: (mobility) Collaborating
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ...this goes back to the same old debate.
> > > people
> > > > > wanna keep what the think/feel is their
> own
> > > "secret",
> > > > > just that...a secret! and when Moby
> became
> > > such a
> > > > > "hit", all of those people feel betrayed
> > > basically
> > > > > because they have some sort of insecurity,
> or
> > > general
> > > > > anger towards things. I'm not really into
> the
> > > > > collaboration with Gwen, but that doesn't
> mean
> > > much.
> > > > > I just like the original better. Good for
> him
> > > that he
> > > > > is doing better financially!
> > > > > Does anyone think that when Moby made
> this
> > > album he
> > > > > thought "With this album, I will sell 2
> million
> > > > > copies! This will be my best selling
> album to
> > > date!
> > > > > I will be a media darling!! I am writing
> this
> > > album
> > > > > because I know it will sell MILLIONS of
> > > copies!!!"
> > > > > No...he was just making an album that HE
> > > liked, and
> > > > > that he obviously hoped would touch
> somebody in
> > > some
> > > > > way....
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Tim Ellorin <TEllorin@mediabrains.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Why is it so bad that Moby collaborated
> with
> > > Gwen?
> > > > > > I mean, why is it that
> > > > > > people seem to think this is just a sign
> of
> > > fame
> > > > > > corrupting Moby? Why not
> > > > > > think of it as being a compliment to
> Moby for
> > > other
> > > > > > artists to collaborate
> > > > > > with him. He is getting respect from
> other
> > > > > > musicians. Is this such a bad
> > > > > > thing? Believe me, I much more prefer
> the
> > > Southside
> > > > > > without her vocals on
> > > > > > it, but that is just my humble opinion.
> And
> > > that
> > > > > > Honey remix with Kelis was
> > > > > > absolute C-R-A-P, CRAP. (Another one of
> my
> > > humble
> > > > > > opinions)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let me ask this question. Is Carlos
> Santana
> > > a sell
> > > > > > out? I mean come on.
> > > > > > His Supernatural album was only
> > > collaborations with
> > > > > > top pop artists. But
> > > > > > that also means that these artists
> respect
> > > Carlos
> > > > > > Santana that they would
> > > > > > perform with him. Anyway, I think MOby
> > > should be
> > > > > > happy that he is getting
> > > > > > the recognition he deserves from fans
> and
> > > from other
> > > > > > musician.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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