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Re: (mobility) the keiichi and chris argument
(mobility) Movement
(mobility) word/Sorry
Re: (mobility) moby on space ghost
Re: (mobility) Collaborating
Re: (mobility)moby the insomniac...
Re: (mobility) Collaborating
Re: (mobility)moby the insomniac...
Re: (mobility) the keiichi and chris argument
(mobility) FYI cribs
Re: (mobility) Collaborating

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 15:31:10 -0800 (PST)
From: ddonk <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) the keiichi and chris argument

heh heh!
  thank you Chris!  I couldn't have put it better
myself.   Without going into my own rant, I'd just
like to say thank you ... AGAIN!
 =) M

- --- Christopher Michael Bourke
<[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> > well, i think money corrupting moby is a legit and
> > reasonable opinion........
> > i mean, collaborating with gwen stefani? uh......
>
> If No Doubt wasn't famous at all, if they were still
> playing local clubs and
> never got a huge recording contract would you make
> this same complaint?  If
> not, then your criticism is based soley on the fact
> that she is popular,
> which is completely assanine.  As others have
> pointed out, her vocals,
> though in my personal opinion are not great, are
> much better than
> Moby's--he's admitted so much on several occasions.
> He's not a singer, or
> at least a good singer (that's perhaps why he does
> it so rarely).  In an MTV
> 120 minutes interview once he also said that he
> would love to collaborate,
> well, actually utilize Christina Agulliera's vocals
> on a track.  He made it
> clear that he wasn't too keen on her music, but that
> she has a great voice,
> which she does.  Would this make you think any less
> of him if he did?  Ask
> yourself WHY.  It wouldn't be her writing the songs,
> just her voice--this
> still represents PURE moby, his talent, his
> instruments, HIS arrangement.
>
> As for money corrupting him, I don't even think any
> of us are in a position
> to claim that at all.  Do YOU know the specifics of
> his contract?  Do YOU
> know how much actual money he has received from PLAY
> proceeds(btw: as far as
> I can tell, it seemed he was pretty well off long
> before PLAY was even a
> glint in his eye, you'd have to be to live in the
> area that he does and
> afford the equipment he has)?  How much money does
> it really take for
> someone to be "corrupted" and how?  None of these
> concepts have ever even
> been addressed by ANYONE criticising him along these
> lines.  You people
> simply make quip statements without any
> explaination, much less support for
> your opinion.  YES, we are all entitled to our
> opinions, but how can anyone
> really take you seriously or give you any
> credibility when you never support
> such an opinion?
>
> > and keep his head waxed? he couldnt do that if he
> was
>
> Wow, he WAXES his head?  I'd really like to know how
> to do that, I could use
> a shine.
>
> > i think he deserves it. he deserves his fame, his
> > money, his popularity. we may never see the moby
> of Go
> > fame, but oh well. thats just how it goes.
>
> Just how is he different?  The only instance that
> I've actually seen people
> make somewhat of a good point is the instance where
> he and a "good friend"
> had an outing, but that didn't even start to
> convince me of any of these so
> called "legit and reasonable" criticisms.
>
> People, I've been on this fucking list for over 3
> years now.  A lot of us
> have been on here for a long time.  When this list
> is good its fucking
> spectacular, enlightening discussion, a free
> exchange of Moby information,
> etc... But when it gets bad, people on here are the
> stupidest fucks on the
> planet(no one in particular, so no personal offense
> here).  If this shit
> keeps up, I honestly can't see the sense in staying
> on this list.  I think
> I'm beginning to understand that little schism that
> started with the
> offshoot list a while back.
>
> Chris
>
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:14:50 -0800
From: "kiwi_kiwi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Movement

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Last time I went to Japan ( 4 - 5 weeks ago)=20
I saw the album and the one with the Bonus CD was about $25=20
In American Money and the one without was about $19.99
My dad is moving there this Friday so It will be easy for me=20
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:36:20 -0800
From: "kiwi_kiwi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) word/Sorry

Hey Paul and Everybody

I really agree to what you say
I mean "fuck you" must be damn offensive to some people
I use it as like saying "hey" so. I'm sorry to anyone
who gets offended by my cussing/cursing/swearing.
Man also... One more thing I want to get off my chest
Is Moby ever going to do an actual DANCE album
not that Alternative/ Everything Influences me experimental album
I ain't saying it's bad but.. I thought MOBY = DANCE aka
MASTER OF BEATS Y'ALL
you know what I mean?
later and sorry to who ever get's or was offended by my message
Keiichi



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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:38:30 -0800 (PST)
From: _bjorkdoll <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) moby on space ghost

not exactly the same as actually seeing the show, but here's a transcript:
http://www.snard.com/sg/guide/?ep=66&loc=14684

...and some screen grabs i made:
http://geocities.com/helpless_moby/space_ghost

enjoy!

: sarah :
: i like this resonance :
: http://myheadphones.org :
: it elevates me :

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Kid Ren wrote:
> damn it. i had no idea it was on. poo
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: DJ Paul Simpson
>
>   i didnt see it sunday so i taped it and saw it
>   yestrday. FUCKING GENIUS. i really really really
>   should tape every space ghost now, my god. it is as
>   genius as sifl & olly.... well almost. better than
>   powerpuff girls (which kicks ass btw ;)
>
>   "are you a vegetarian?"
>   "not really..."
>
>   and then EMO PHILLIPS was on! EMO!!!! the guy from the
>   Promise Ring! no wait.....
>
>   things are funnier once you turn them upside down...
>   like a small child :)
>
>   "that song I Love Beans is so inspiring"
>   "I wrote it while I was eating beans"
>   "thats awesome"
>   DJ PAUL


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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 17:39:27 -0800
From: "kiwi_kiwi" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Collaborating

I think Carlos Santana sold out in a way.
Last time I went to his concert he didn't play
much of his old stuff trying to please his new fans.
Moby had respect before he did the colab w/ Gwen
well I don't care much because I want to see how
his next album is and how his quality of music is going to be
Keiichi



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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:58:45 -0800
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility)moby the insomniac...

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:22:59 -0800
From: "crowes3" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Collaborating

I agree...why is collaboration a negative thing?  Jazz musicians have been
doing it for ages, like, switching, playing with different people, different
vocalists, styles etc.  And why shouldn't Moby be rich and  famous?  It's
probably fun, better than being poor and miserable.  My husband made a good
point, though.  He said that he thought Moby was exploiting himself in a
rather grotesque manner and that a low-key approach to riches and fame would
have been more suitable.  I tend to agree.  Anne
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ddonk" <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: (mobility) Collaborating


> ...this goes back to the same old debate.  people
> wanna keep what the think/feel is their own "secret",
> just that...a secret!  and when Moby became such a
> "hit", all of those people feel betrayed basically
> because they have some sort of insecurity, or general
> anger towards things.  I'm not really into the
> collaboration with Gwen, but that doesn't mean much.
> I just like the original better.  Good for him that he
> is doing better financially!
>   Does anyone think that when Moby made this album he
> thought "With this album, I will sell 2 million
> copies!  This will be my best selling album to date!
> I will be a media darling!!  I am writing this album
> because I know it will sell MILLIONS of copies!!!"
>   No...he was just making an album that HE liked, and
> that he obviously hoped would touch somebody in some
> way....
>
>
> --- Tim Ellorin <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Why is it so bad that Moby collaborated with Gwen?
> > I mean, why is it that
> > people seem to think this is just a sign of fame
> > corrupting Moby?  Why not
> > think of it as being a compliment to Moby for other
> > artists to collaborate
> > with him.  He is getting respect from other
> > musicians.  Is this such a bad
> > thing?  Believe me, I much more prefer the Southside
> > without her vocals on
> > it, but that is just my humble opinion.  And that
> > Honey remix with Kelis was
> > absolute C-R-A-P, CRAP.  (Another one of my humble
> > opinions)
> >
> > Let me ask this question.  Is Carlos Santana a sell
> > out?  I mean come on.
> > His Supernatural album was only collaborations with
> > top pop artists.   But
> > that also means that these artists respect Carlos
> > Santana that they would
> > perform with him.  Anyway, I think MOby should be
> > happy that he is getting
> > the recognition he deserves from fans and from other
> > musician.
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 21:35:41 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility)moby the insomniac...

Anne..do lots of push ups and sit ups prior to entering the site..also, i
reccommend a good diet of peanuts and chocolate...
i have no idea why your does not work....keep on trying...i can always e-mail
you with his updates if you wish..have a great day..love..elie

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 18:52:08 -0800 (PST)
From: dj pagan <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) the keiichi and chris argument

and so i raise my ugly head...

- --- Christopher Michael Bourke wrote:
> If No Doubt wasn't famous at all, if they were
> still playing local clubs and never got a huge
> recording contract would you make this same
> complaint?

no.  it's the paradigm of indie people that
unless it's underground, it's crap.  note: if the
artist/group doesn't change after making money
(eg: good example - radiohead.  bad example -
sugar ray), then there is no reason to get angry
if they are making money.  moby hasn't sold out.
he now has the ability to tour more extensively
and see more of his fan base, hence the tour that
never ends.  he still makes the music that he
does.  nothing has changed, only the
'indie-perception' has changed.  i fucking hate
elitism.

> Do YOU know the specifics of his contract?

bingo.  neither moby nor v2 knew he would get
this big.  now people are criticizing him because
of clauses in the contract that allow v2 to make
these ridiculous re-releases and packaging scams.
 my only regret is that moby may have more albums
to fulfill, and more ways to exploit him.  moby =
good.  v2 = bad.

> People, I've been on this fucking list for over
> 3 years now.  A lot of us have been on here for
> a long time.  When this list is good its
> fucking spectacular, enlightening discussion,
> a free exchange of Moby information, etc...

it's only for informational purposes that i'm on
here, but the discussion can be very good.  which
is when i usually get involved.

> But when it gets bad, people on here are the
> stupidest fucks on the planet(no one in
> particular, so no personal offense here).  If
> this shit keeps up, I honestly can't see the
> sense in staying on this list.  I think I'm
> beginning to understand that little schism that
> started with the offshoot list a while back.

the only reason i didn't jump ship to the 'real
moby list' is because that kind of route leads to
moby masturbation: talking about our favorite
songs, albums, how much we love moby, and such.
the difference here is good, and venting like you
do is wonderful to see.  simply moving to an
'exclusive moby list' is an effort to alienate
and become elitist.

note to everyone: be civil.  don't hate.  talk
about topics which you can factually back up in
some way.  if you think moby is god, then great.
if you don't agree with moby's exploitation or
presupposed greed, then do so in a civil and
factual manner.  don't 'think' about what you are
saying.  i don't care what you think, i want to
know what you 'know'.  read that again if it
doesn't make any sense.  then e-mail me for an
explanation if necessary.

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:10:36 -0500
From: paradox <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) FYI cribs

The word on the boards at moby-online.com is that the Moby episode of
MTV Cribs will air this coming Thursday night at 10 PM.  I'll have my
VCR ready, and I suggest you all do the same, just in case they're
right.

Paul V.

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Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:30:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Collaborating

   Old people are cool!

Eric The Red

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:22:59 -0800, [e-mail] wrote:

>  I agree...why is collaboration a negative thing?  Jazz musicians have
been
>  doing it for ages, like, switching, playing with different people,
different
>  vocalists, styles etc.  And why shouldn't Moby be rich and  famous?  It's
>  probably fun, better than being poor and miserable.  My husband made a
good
>  point, though.  He said that he thought Moby was exploiting himself in a
>  rather grotesque manner and that a low-key approach to riches and fame
would
>  have been more suitable.  I tend to agree.  Anne
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: "ddonk" <[e-mail]>
>  To: <[e-mail]>
>  Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 11:31 AM
>  Subject: Re: (mobility) Collaborating
>
>
>  > ...this goes back to the same old debate.  people
>  > wanna keep what the think/feel is their own "secret",
>  > just that...a secret!  and when Moby became such a
>  > "hit", all of those people feel betrayed basically
>  > because they have some sort of insecurity, or general
>  > anger towards things.  I'm not really into the
>  > collaboration with Gwen, but that doesn't mean much.
>  > I just like the original better.  Good for him that he
>  > is doing better financially!
>  >   Does anyone think that when Moby made this album he
>  > thought "With this album, I will sell 2 million
>  > copies!  This will be my best selling album to date!
>  > I will be a media darling!!  I am writing this album
>  > because I know it will sell MILLIONS of copies!!!"
>  >   No...he was just making an album that HE liked, and
>  > that he obviously hoped would touch somebody in some
>  > way....
>  >
>  >
>  > --- Tim Ellorin <[e-mail]> wrote:
>  > > Why is it so bad that Moby collaborated with Gwen?
>  > > I mean, why is it that
>  > > people seem to think this is just a sign of fame
>  > > corrupting Moby?  Why not
>  > > think of it as being a compliment to Moby for other
>  > > artists to collaborate
>  > > with him.  He is getting respect from other
>  > > musicians.  Is this such a bad
>  > > thing?  Believe me, I much more prefer the Southside
>  > > without her vocals on
>  > > it, but that is just my humble opinion.  And that
>  > > Honey remix with Kelis was
>  > > absolute C-R-A-P, CRAP.  (Another one of my humble
>  > > opinions)
>  > >
>  > > Let me ask this question.  Is Carlos Santana a sell
>  > > out?  I mean come on.
>  > > His Supernatural album was only collaborations with
>  > > top pop artists.   But
>  > > that also means that these artists respect Carlos
>  > > Santana that they would
>  > > perform with him.  Anyway, I think MOby should be
>  > > happy that he is getting
>  > > the recognition he deserves from fans and from other
>  > > musician.
>  > >
>  > > Tim
>  > >
>  > >
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