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From: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com (mobility-digest) To: mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Subject: mobility-digest V4 #487 Reply-To: mobility Sender: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Errors-To: owner-mobility-digest@lists.xmission.com Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes mobility-digest Monday, January 8 2001 Volume 04 : Number 487 Re: (mobility) Moby's M2 gig (mobility) (no subject) Re: (mobility) (no subject) (mobility) Play neophytes... Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:44:20 -0800 From: "crowes3" <crowes3@email.msn.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby's M2 gig Yeah, it's Sunday evening and I'm trying to do this during adverts. I hope really a lot that a video of the show becomes available for purchase. If anyone knows if this is in the works, please let us know. It is a fantastic show!!! Anne - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elissa Brown" <elissabird@yahoo.com> > > > > > __________________________________________________ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:09:56 EST From: Mafiacat54@aol.com Subject: (mobility) (no subject) Hey! I'm a new member to the list and so I thought I'd take a minute to introduce myself...My name is Eliana, I'm 18...and I first heard Moby probably about a year ago...unfortunately, due to a lack of money and knowledge-my Moby collection only consists of Play but now that I actually have money I really want to start building up my collection...I absolutly love everything I've ever heard by Moby, but I don't know which albums are the best...so if anyone could please email me and let me know which albums you think are a must have I'd really appreciate it!! Thank you!! : ) **Eliana** - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 22:17:20 -0600 From: "Brandon Slay" <superduperwonderboy@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) (no subject) Hey! My name is Brandon (15) and I'm also new to the list, and I only have His new album Play also, but I heard his newest album called Moby Songs which is a compilation of some of his best songs is pretty good. So that's what I would reccomend. Like you I heard about Moby around a year ago, and so far I also like everything that I have heard of his. >From: Mafiacat54@aol.com >Reply-To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >To: mobility@lists.xmission.com >Subject: (mobility) (no subject) >Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:09:56 EST > >Hey! I'm a new member to the list and so I thought I'd take a minute to >introduce myself...My name is Eliana, I'm 18...and I first heard Moby >probably about a year ago...unfortunately, due to a lack of money and >knowledge-my Moby collection only consists of Play but now that I actually >have money I really want to start building up my collection...I absolutly >love everything I've ever heard by Moby, but I don't know which albums are >the best...so if anyone could please email me and let me know which albums >you think are a must have I'd really appreciate it!! Thank you!! : ) >**Eliana** > >------------- >To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com >with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:43:55 -0600 From: Christopher Michael Bourke <cbourke1@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: (mobility) Play neophytes... > I only have > His new album Play also, but I heard his newest album called Moby Songs > which is a compilation of some of his best songs is pretty good. So that's New fans are always welcome and these kind of fans (fans that make an effort to discover things beyond Play) are the best kind of newbies. I've been on this listserv since almost the beginning, over 3 years ago. I have been a Moby fan for over twice that long, but I've never seen anything like this before. People are actually starting to recognize his name now. People are BUYING his albums, he's getting media attention. Suddenly its chic to be a Moby fan... However does anyone have ANY idea why Play has sparked this interest? I too think its one of his best albums, but not the absolute best by far. Why did it take so long for him to become some-what popular, especially since it was released over 18 months ago? (I say some-what popular because he's still not exactly a household name, nor do his overall sales match anything in the mainstream music industry). Has anyone read anything from critics explaining this, or does anyone have any ideas themselves? - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:45:27 -0800 From: "Matt Olson" <matt@hollowgen.net> Subject: Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... I believe it's because Play has the more mainstream sound as opposed to his= other stuff. Anyone can find at least one song on Play to fit their= musical preference... hell, even country to some extent! - -Matt > >However does anyone have ANY idea why Play has sparked this interest? I= too >think its one of his best albums, but not the absolute best by far. Why= did >it take so long for him to become some-what popular, especially since it= was >released over 18 months ago? (I say some-what popular because he's still= not >exactly a household name, nor do his overall sales match anything in the >mainstream music industry). Has anyone read anything from critics >explaining this, or does anyone have any ideas themselves? - -Matt - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ matt@hollowgen.net "I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." --George W. Bush http://www.hollowgen.net http://bootlegs.hollowgen.net - Live Music Trading - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:55:44 EST From: Insrtbrain@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... - --part1_77.e86e1ee.278aa250_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/7/01 8:44:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, cbourke1@bigred.unl.edu writes: > However does anyone have ANY idea why Play has sparked this interest? I too > think its one of his best albums, but not the absolute best by far. Why did > it take so long for him to become some-what popular, especially since it was > released over 18 months ago? (I say some-what popular because he's still not > exactly a household name, nor do his overall sales match anything in the > mainstream music industry). Has anyone read anything from critics > explaining this, or does anyone have any ideas themselves? I was watching some marketing commentary about Sting's resuccess with Desert Rose was because he allowed it to be licensed to commercials, which brought interest, so I really do think the commercial thing helped Play a lot. Moby also got WB promotion which of course didn't hurt anything. And his popularity came the same time as Macy Gray, both musicians polar opposites from the popular music scene at the time. So Moby has come as a breathe of fresh air for many people who are tired of the boy bands and bubble gum. Also, electronica/techno (even though Play isn't exactly traditional in that respect) is now becoming the trendy thing. Hell, BT is becoming popular (which is very much deserved). This can probably be attributed to mainly Fatboy Slim, because as cheesy as he can be, he was really the person that became madly popular and brought life to the techno/electronica scene in the mainstream. Not to mention the whole controversy over raves and E and all that jazz. Just a quick analysis. Play is great, but I would love for him to return to the animal rights era. - --part1_77.e86e1ee.278aa250_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">In a message dated 1/7/01 8:44:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, cbourke1@bigred.unl.edu writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">However does anyone have ANY idea why Play has sparked this interest? I too think its one of his best albums, but not the absolute best by far. Why did it take so long for him to become some-what popular, especially since it was released over 18 months ago? (I say some-what popular because he's still not exactly a household name, nor do his overall sales match anything in the mainstream music industry). Has anyone read anything from critics explaining this, or does anyone have any ideas themselves?</BLOCKQUOTE> I was watching some marketing commentary about Sting's resuccess with Desert Rose was because he allowed it to be licensed to commercials, which brought interest, so I really do think the commercial thing helped Play a lot. Moby also got WB promotion which of course didn't hurt anything. And his popularity came the same time as Macy Gray, both musicians polar opposites from the popular music scene at the time. So Moby has come as a breathe of fresh air for many people who are tired of the boy bands and bubble gum. Also, electronica/techno (even though Play isn't exactly traditional in that respect) is now becoming the trendy thing. Hell, BT is becoming popular (which is very much deserved). This can probably be attributed to mainly Fatboy Slim, because as cheesy as he can be, he was really the person that became madly popular and brought life to the techno/electronica scene in the mai! nstream. Not to mention the whole controversy over raves and E and all that jazz. Just a quick analysis. Play is great, but I would love for him to return to the animal rights era.</HTML> - --part1_77.e86e1ee.278aa250_boundary-- - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 01:02:26 EST From: Bijou75@aol.com Subject: Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... >> However does anyone have ANY idea why Play has sparked this interest? << Moby himself has an answer to this question in the NME interview to which Elissa previously (and generously) posted the following link: http://microsites.nme.com/toptenvid/site/main/25.html And thanks for the welcoming response to us newbies, Christopher. Being green is never easy, but it helps when veterans have such an open mind. As to the question of why Play has suddenly become so popular.. I think perhaps its slow burn is indicative of word of mouth.. sure, people may have noticed his songs on ads, but it takes word of mouth to find out who the artist is, the name of the album, etc. As for myself, I remember being intrigued by Play's initial review in Entertainment Weekly, but it wasn't until I'd heard several singles in their entirety, as well as clips of two others used on "The X-Files," that I became convinced to buy the whole CD (and, BTW, I wouldn'tve known those two songs from "The X-Files" were by Moby had it not been for word of mouth as received on Internet message boards). If I'm not alone in such an experience, then maybe it indicates Moby has a more discriminating audience (I'm sure we'd all like to think so, right?) I think the popularity of Play is due to many factors.. perhaps the most important of which is the accessibility of the album. As observed earlier, it has something for nearly everybody, and it's not just regurgitated a la Lenny Kravitz; the various styles and genres are merged to create something truly original (and moving). Just my $.02.. gotta go now 'cause the season premiere of "Oz" is coming on... - --Carrie - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 04:16:24 -0600 From: Christopher Michael Bourke <cbourke1@bigred.unl.edu> Subject: Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... Matt wrote: > I believe it's because Play has the more mainstream sound as opposed to his other stuff. Anyone can find at least one song on Play to fit their musical preference... hell, even country to some extent! > > -Matt I don't quite get your point. I don't think ANYONE would honestly agree that Play is mainstream. Can you tell me WHO it sounds like? In my eyes its completely unique compared to the dung-heap that is mainstream music right now. There are NO pop tracks, NO hip-hop tracks, nothing that even resembles what is popular or has been popular in any recent years. Though I would agree that there is at least one track on the album that people would like, that doesn't necessarily translate into album sales. There have been less than 6 or 7 single releases in over 18 months, I don't think that gives a large enough sampling, especially considering that some of the singles didn't really catch on (in particular Honey, and WDMHFSB). Given that people either must really like the few singles they've heard, enough to lay down the $10-15 for the hole album, or they've heard more than that through word of mouth, or god forbid from Napster and similar outlets. Another wrote: >>he allowed it to be licensed to commercials, which brought interest, so I really do think the commercial thing helped Play a lot. Moby also got WB promotion which of course didn't hurt anything. << As carrie pointed out, even if music is used in commercials its impossible for people to connect it with any artist if its initially unkown to them. I don't think commercials really help an artist's recognition, it only catches the ear/eye of those who are already familiar with him/her. Oh and that interview carrie was talking about didn't really give an explaination of why Play received such popularity (eventually), only that Moby was pleased with it and understood why it was initially dismissed (though I would tend to disagree with him on that, as critics never really panned it to begin with, it was only commercially unsuccessful at first). As for promotion? Well that's another story. As mentioned before Play's popularity, by virtue that it was slow to catch on indicates that it was by word of mouth. V2 isn't exactly a major label here, as such they can't afford to have huge promotions, so they didn't. Though V2 has been very supportive in both my eyes, Moby's and many other's, they really don't have the resources to make much of a difference. Mute on the other hand could have, and may have overseas, but I highly doubt that they are ever too supportive given their track record on previous albums (probably one of the main reasons he switched labels domestically). As for availability, that point is also moot. Any of Moby's albums can still be purchased at outlets, or ordered, or failing that, abundantly found online. There's never been a shortage of at least his major label/major album releases. Personally I attribute the success, as carrie probably does, to word of mouth. But that still doesn't answer the main issue, WHY PLAY? Why not EIW? Why not AR? Why not the score of other albums he's done for the last 15 aught years? Perhaps these questions will never be answered. I'm waiting for his next new, major release. If it falls back into the mediocre sales category, then it says that it was a commercial fluke and we may be expecting large numbers of Play in the used sections at music stores. If it sees similar success then that would truly mean people have caught on to good music. I pray for the day when cookie-cutter bullshit is no longer profitable, but that day, i fear, is far far off. Chris. - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 02:32:05 -0800 From: "Matt Olson" <matt@hollowgen.net> Subject: Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... There really wasn't any "point." It's just my theory, to add to the= discussion. Because seriously, I don't think Play fits very well into the= electronica category, or even dance necessarily. And if you would read= what I wrote again, I'm saying I just think that play has a way more= mainstream sound then previous works. Also, as far as I know, mainstream= doesn't really mean "sounding like another artist" it just means= something that's of common liking and not 'underground' persay. Again, you just took what I said out of context. I'm not saying Play is= mainstream at all... I don't think Moby, or really any artist like that= is. Take it easy, Matt >Matt wrote: > >> I believe it's because Play has the more mainstream sound as opposed to >his other stuff. Anyone can find at least one song on Play to fit their >musical preference... hell, even country to some extent! >> >> -Matt > >I don't quite get your point. I don't think ANYONE would honestly agree >that Play is mainstream. Can you tell me WHO it sounds like? In my eyes >its completely unique compared to the dung-heap that is mainstream music >right now. There are NO pop tracks, NO hip-hop tracks, nothing that even >resembles what is popular or has been popular in any recent years. Though= I >would agree that there is at least one track on the album that people= would >like, that doesn't necessarily translate into album sales. There have= been >less than 6 or 7 single releases in over 18 months, I don't think that= gives >a large enough sampling, especially considering that some of the singles >didn't really catch on (in particular Honey, and WDMHFSB). Given that >people either must really like the few singles they've heard, enough to= lay >down the $10-15 for the hole album, or they've heard more than that= through >word of mouth, or god forbid from Napster and similar outlets. - -Matt - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ matt@hollowgen.net "I think anybody who doesn't think I'm smart enough to handle the job is underestimating." --George W. Bush http://www.hollowgen.net http://bootlegs.hollowgen.net - Live Music Trading - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= - ------ - ------------- To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to majordomo@xmission.com with the line "unsubscribe mobility" in the body. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 03:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: dj pagan <djpagan@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Play neophytes... - --- Christopher Michael Bourke wrote: > However does anyone have ANY idea why Play has > sparked this interest? Why did it take so long > for him to become some-what popular, especially > since it was released over 18 months ago? Has > anyone read anything from critics explaining > this, or does anyone have any ideas themselves? i trust critics about as far as i can throw them since they are either bought off or are trying hard not to look like they've been bought off. however, here's my opinion. it's a bit complicated, but then again very simple. it all boils down to promotion like a record should have. the one exception is that play wasn't pushed like it should have been when first released, but this might have worked to it's advantage in the long run. let's look at the history of play. came out in june 1st, 1999 in the us. this marked a return to techno for all the moby fans who were disturbed by animal rights and the first new material since that album. let's face it, i like to score was to buy off elektra. ::grin:: combine that with a slight increase in popularity because of fatboy slim, basement jaxx, and the rest of the astralwerks machine, and daft punk (virgin, parent company of astralwerks), and electronic music itself is marketed. old fans and new fans bought the cd right away. moby starts touring, and touring everywhere. tickets as low as $10 (madison, wi) in popular towns and college towns, and now more people are buying the album. i saw moby on the play tour twice, and would have been three times had it not been for a show cancelling in milwaukee for a second night in chicago. bygones. this touring gets his name out along with all the samplers being distributed and the lonely coming for a fun show. oh yeah, and all the hybrid and boom boom satellites fans were exposed. v2 now sells commercial rights to every song on play, maybe with and maybe not with moby's permission. this gets his music out everywhere, in tv shows, on commercials, in malls, on compilation discs, ad nauseum. now people are hearing that song with a fan base that likes moby of old and those who saw him touring, and we're now bringing together a grand marketing ploy that is turning out for the better. play has become an album tht everyone has heard two or more songs off of, and dat gummit, they're not bad songs! speaking of the actual material, it's pretty light music compared to the rap-metal and uber-pop that's out there right now. like someone said, a 'breath of fresh air'. it appeals to all age groups, and is appropriate for those same age groups. it harks back to songs that people have heard before, or that light pop that adults love so much. the music itself isn't hard at parts like all of animal rights or tracks like 'all that i need is to be loved' on eiw. before that, he wasn't more than a name. lastly, he's just so darn cute, how could you not like him with his face everywhere? if i've repeated what other people have said, forgive me. i thought i would be complete rather than filling in places and making it a chunky read. ===== djpagan www.geocities.com/projectaristotle "it is enough." - immanuel kant, his last words __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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