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mobility-digest         Sunday, July 30 2000         Volume 03 : Number 270



(mobility) "help me to believe"
(mobility) Moby Show Perth AU 7/28/00
(mobility) A Christian View & The Spirituality Of "Everything is Wrong"
(mobility) The Porcelain video
RE: (mobility) The Porcelain video
(mobility) I got tickets to Moby .. and I'm sad.
(mobility) The price of tickets...
(mobility) God, Moby and the state of New Mexico

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Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: natalie leblanc <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) "help me to believe"

i am trying to introduce my roommate to more moby as
she really does not care for him much.  today i made
her listen to "moby" which she thought was ok, but
made me think about how freaking amazing he is over
and over again.  i know that picking favorite songs is
silly and difficult, but "help me to believe" makes me
so damn happy.  the change, when things sort of stop,
like in "everything" (which is also superb) when the
dr mario-esque music kicks in.  the more i think about
it the more i think this might be my favorite album.
i just can't stop smiling...which i'm sure you all
needed to hear, eh?...natalie.


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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:00:03 +0800
From: Anthony Bara <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Moby Show Perth AU 7/28/00

I must confess, I have not seen Moby in the flesh since he DJ'ed at
Maskarave in 1993... my how things have changed. Anyway, the show was the
complete opposite of that night.. more like a rock concert really. Very
packed venue, very hot... not a very good vibe. Too many drunk meatheads. I
was a bit confused as to why he brought a vocalist, who mostly lip-synched
to sequenced vocals, it seems like the bass player only really actually
played on the more rocky tracks, she definitely wasn't playing on So Real,
Go or the Bond theme. Anyway Mr. Moby was into it, enjoyed himself it
seems..does anyone know what he opened with?


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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:08:21 GMT
From: "Sarah McMullan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) A Christian View & The Spirituality Of "Everything is Wrong"

Hello all,

Firstly yay us for having an interesting informed thoughful debate over the
last couple of weeks. I've only been a member here for a month or so and
it's fantastic to find a list that actually debates instead of just swapping
boring "I love Moby the most" mail.

I've also kept quiet on this whole spirituality/religion thing cos I've been
horrendously ill with a head cold and haven't really been making much sense
so now I'm feeling better I'll post.

You have been warned....

For the record I am a 24 nearly 25 year old SWF. I am a Christian by which I
define as a) believeing in God
                  b) believeing he had a son called Jesus Christ
                  c) Christ died on the cross for our (MY) sins so
               that we (I) could have the chance to enter his
         fathers kingdom when my physical time on this
   earth is done.

Before some of you go "Yuck! Christian!" and start rolling your eyes
I'd like to say that I have only been a Christian for 2 or so years, I was
the worlds staunchest ANTICHRISTIAN for many years prior. I have lived a
fairly full and varied life and continue to do so (to a degree). I've done
the whole sex drugs rock n roll thing and have done things I'm not proud of,
not because I'm a Christian now, but because they just weren't right.

I'm not going to tell anyone how to live or how to act because who am I to
do that? And anyway it would be pretty hypocritical of me.

I don't agree with many churches policies against abortion or homosexuality.
I believe and love the teachings of Christ, not the vicious small minded and
downright nastily self serving views of many right churches today. Love is
the most important thing in the world.

Becoming a Christian was like making peace with myself. It was just too damn
hard being judge jury AND executioner for myself all the time. Something was
not right with me. I had always known that but just couldn't work it out.
One day (ok, one year :)I did. I made peace and I feel I am better off for
it.

I don't think you can bring someone to Christianity. It will happen for
someone when they want it/need it to. If ever. Ultimately - it's between you
and the big Guy.

My name is Sarah and I'm a Chrsitian. I don't wear walk socks or head
scarves. I drink (though not to the point of passing out or vomiting teh
next morning)). I swear. I don't do drugs (anymore) but am not going to tell
everyone to "stop right this minute or else!!!!". I have a tattoo on my
lower back (it represents my spiritual strength). I wear anything but
conservative clothes (just not fur/leather). I dye my hair weird colours. I
like scary dark films by Lynch and Kubrick. And if I like someone, I'll kiss
him. With tounge if I want to.

So that's me....why did I tell you all that? Because I was thinking about
the "Moby's Most Spiritual Songs" thread.

It got me thinking. In fact it got me getting my whole flat to thinking so
one evening all 3 of us (the 2 boys and I) sat round and listened to the 4
major albums - Everything is Wrong (EIW), I like to score (ILTS), Animal
Rights (AR) and Play (play).

We then talked about what we thought was spiritual and why. I know it's
terribley clinical but it was actually quite fun. This is what we came up
with. (And I'm sorry but 2 of us both have degrees in communications with a
special interest in social semiotics thru music; and psychology)

Hymn -
Definatly a spiritual song. Has an etheral, gliding feel. Delicate (the
opening keyboards) yet powerful (building swooping strings). Great feelings
of immense space.

Feeling So Real -
Uplifting, hopeful. Reminiscent of Hymn via keyboard use.

All That I Need Is To Be Loved -
To me this is an an incredibley spiritual song. It reminds me very much of
when I first became a Christian (a couple of years ago) and teh struggle I
had(have) initially with the paradox of wanting to be godly on earth. All I
wanted to do was live like Him and it was so damn hard. Being a new
Christian I also felt isolated as I forged my bond with God much to the
ridicule an disdain of friends and family who just didn't get it. Even if
your friends and family DO get it - it's still an isolated experience -
you're making your peace with god, examining yourself wholly in front of
someone who knows all. It's very humbling and it doesn't get much more
personal than that.

"All that I need is to be loved
Can't you take this out of me
All I want is to be near you
Oh my God, how can I love thee?
Oh my God.....
No one on earth can need what I need
Noone on earth can feel what I must feel"

Everytime You Touch Me -
Hmmm.... we argued about this. Actually we argued about the lyrics.
"Discussed" the lyrics I mean.

We thought it was (and please help us out if you can)

"Come take me away
Everything is wrong today
Everytime you touch me I feel like I'm being born
Everytime you touch me I feel like I need some more
Love so high ???????????
Used to be alone now I feel so (bad?????)"

Looking for a spiritual bent, B suggested it was a rapturous song about
someone having been touched by the spirit of God and wanting more of it. A
said bollocks. I'm sitting on the fence.

Into the Blue -
This track again falls into the definetly spiritual realm. Starting with the
subtle choral fx on the voice and the organ in the background, it has a very
cathedral-esque ambience.

What is the blue? I always assumed it was water but my flatmates argue it is
the sky...."I fly into the blue..."

Water could be a reference to baptisim, rebirth and "...reaching forever..."
could mean everlasting life. Hmmmmm...

To me the song always gives me the image of floating on my back, arms wide
open facing the sky as I get tossed with the tide. Rising and falling with
the waves swell beneath me. It reminds me of giving up all control - going
with the flow of life (and God) and seeing where we end up 'cos wherever it
is, it was planned for us.

Everything is Wrong -
A heartbreaking, maudlin, solitary song.
Absolute spiritual vibes.

God Moving Over the Face of the Waters-
Obvious religious reference to walking on water.
Like Hymn, this piece features a detailed keyboard part (is it me or does it
sound very much like Michael Nymans "The Piano" soundtrack?) with epic
swirling strings underneath. Gives the idea of shadows gliding. One
suggestion was that at about 1min18 seconds where the lilting strings come
in over the top, it's a bit like angels watching gathering on high to watch
God as he walks over the water and teh rest of the piece is how His presence
effects the sea on which he walks.

The keyboard sounds like waves leaping and clapping, I always imagine a vast
ocean with a wind whipping across it, very powerful, very raw, very alive.
It's as if Moby has sat and watched immense power of the the ocean and gone
and created it in his music. The delicate see foam dancing on teh crests to
the swirling and deadly undercurrents and shear volume of water.

GMOTFOTW stirs my heart.


When It's Cold I'd Like To Die -

"Where were you when I was lost
and locked away freezing cold?
I don't wanna swim the ocean
I don't wanna fight the tide
I don't wanna swim forever
When it's cold I'd like to die
what was that my sweet sweet nothing?
I can't hear you through the fog
If I holler (let me go?)
If I falter let me know"

Once again water featuring very strongly. If you extend the metaphors of
"Into the Blue", as in finding God is like accepting your path, letting go
and going with the flow then this seems to make alot of sense. (I think!).

This is such a sad song. A plainant "where were you when I needed you?"
song. The sad reality is, that being a Christian doesn't mean all your
problems go away. If anything it makes things more difficult and it means
that at times when you're really soul searching, when you're really
struggling to understand something that just seems so wrong, you may find
yourself questioning, asking "why? why? I just don't understand!" and all
you have is the fact that of course you can't understand - you're not God.
You can only trust in His plan and sometimes that's really hard.

                                 ****

The other thing we realised is that songs that tend to be slow, solitary,
sad sounding; that feature delicate keyboards and ambienty type fx tend to
be the ones where as a listener you can become quite introspective which in
turn can lead to spiritual trains of thought. What do you reckon?

Man this is long. And atrociously written with shocking spelling and
grammer. Apologies - guess that cold medication hasn't quite cleared from my
system. Or maybe it was all those drugs I did in the 80's....(joke - I was
aged 5 - 15 in the 80's!!!)

Anyway class - tomorrow we will look at Play.....


Sarah

PS - Was looking at the letters that Moby had posted to the list. It's
pretty groovey he reads mobility and isn't afraid to let us know it, that he
replies and especially that he took time to refute rumours of him having a
girlfriend. How real boy next door is that?! (If only my next door neighbour
made music like that....he thinks he's gonna grow up and be in Creed). Plus
his top ten list kicks ass (it's kinda similar to mine). Time for some work.
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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:15:51 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) The Porcelain video

I was up real early this morning, I woke up around 4:45 and was up til 6.
Porcelain came on vh1 at about 10 til 6 and I was still trying to sleep. I
decided to see what commercial had moby this time and it wasn't a commercial.
I won't give the video away, it's a good one. Isn't this the one he had to
change though? I'm still mad about htat, but this video has a real good
concept.
They'll probably play it a whole lot, it's got "new" in the corner so it
should get alot of play.
Anyway, I hope you all get to see it soon. I want to hear what others think
too.

Emily

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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:46:18 +0100
From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) The Porcelain video

the original version of the video was far better. the close up of the eye
one!

 when, oh when is moby releasing a dvd of all his videos  and the alternate
versions of them???????
i for one would love to get my hands on that

also the remix cd when iit is releases (?)
also if there was a live cd i would be so happy ;-)

p.s. did moby revert back to his old logo, i prefered the new one ;-(

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I was up real early this morning, I woke up around 4:45 and was up til 6.
Porcelain came on vh1 at about 10 til 6 and I was still trying to sleep. I
decided to see what commercial had moby this time and it wasn't a
commercial.
I won't give the video away, it's a good one. Isn't this the one he had to
change though? I'm still mad about htat, but this video has a real good
concept.
They'll probably play it a whole lot, it's got "new" in the corner so it
should get alot of play.
Anyway, I hope you all get to see it soon. I want to hear what others think
too.

Emily

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Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:21:29 -0700
From: "Shaun Rader" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) I got tickets to Moby .. and I'm sad.

But let me explain:

I bought tickets to Moby's concert at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles at
about 12:45 today.  The tickets went on sale at noon.  I was in complete
shock when they took out the seating chart and told me where my seats would
be...

I'm sad because if I had known this was a seated concert I would have been
at Ticketbastard well before noon in hopes of getting the front row or
something.

My seats aren't horrible (looks about 20 or 30 rows back but on the far
right side) but you get my point.  I can't believe Moby's only L.A. show is
going to be a sit down theatre!!  Oh yeah the ticket says $31 but after the
service charge it ends up $36.75.  Pretty darn expensive!

Tonight I'm going to see BT at a club and that's gonna be $25 bux.. why is
everything so expensive now?


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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 05:52:54 GMT
From: "Sarah McMullan" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) The price of tickets...

Hey all,

Sunday afternoon in sleepy wee Taupo and having already cleaned the bathroom
top to toe, entertained guests for 3 hours in my bathrobe (that wasn't the
entertainment so stop right there...)and finally got dressed, I'm continuing
the trend of non stop excitement by prepping tomorrows show tonight. Oh how
very rock n roll is radio.....

Anyway, saw Shauns post and had to chuckle.

Down here in New Zealand, a show for $36.75 would be a considered a steal!!!
The Moby gig I went to a week or so ago cost me $48NZ for the ticket plus
booking fee of $8 per ticket. (As in you could buy 10 tickets on teh one
credit card and still have to pay a total of $80 booking fee).

Ricky Martin is playing here in October (ohhh hold me back:) tickets are
FROM $90 plus booking fee and the likes of the Rolling Stones and U2 don't
even come here anymore cos they can't make any money unless they charge over
$400 per ticket.

The Popmart tour came to Sydney Australia instead of NZ cos of the very
harsh reality of cost. For them to have played here they would have needed
to charge $500+ a ticket and needed a minimum of 100000 people. Sydney with
450000 people at $100Aust was a better bet.

It sucks. We hardly get any good gigs here and if they do come to NZ chances
are they go to Auckland only (which for the unenlightened is our biggest
city; has a popn of about 1 and a quarter million people and is situated
towards the top of the North Island which means you're looking at an airfare
of at least $500 return to get there from anywhere in the South Island. 3 NZ
dollars = 1 US dollar, 3.5 NZ$ = 1 pound).

I however am now living only a mere 3 and a half hour drive out of  Auckland
so it's making things a little more bearable.

Big concerts to hit NZ this year?

Vengaboys (oh stop the excitement!!!)
Tom Jones
Englebert Humperdink
Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals
MOBY (of course :)
Travis
and a handful of djs like Nick Warren who play one off gigs in Akld.
(And in case you're wondering - I saw nearly all of the above. In fact I did
see all but the Vengaboys.( Wonder why?!)

It's quite a sad state of affairs really.

The good thing is apart from shows where you want to sit down (Tom,
Englebert etc etc) there are never sit down shows. I've never been to one
here. Mainly I guess cos the venues aren't that big anyway and usually there
is a seated area available. The 3 times I've seen Moby here he has always
had a seated area available.

Unfortunately the price of tix is also refelected in price of paraphenalia.
$50 Moby t shirt anyone? I believe the Neil Diamond t shirts were like $90
last year. Scary but true.

(And in case you're wondering - I used to work at a love songs station so
Tom, Neil, Englebert etc were all work enforced visitation. Though I would
have paid for Neil and Tom - LEGENDS!!!)

So next time you glance thru the band listings and moan cos there's nothing
on just be glad you're not here in NZ where there really ISN'T anything on.
Except some fantastic kiwi music but that's a whole different
posting......:)

Sarah
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Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:11:12 GMT
From: "Jake M." <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) God, Moby and the state of New Mexico

First off, to those who don't care about the religion topic, I would like to
know if anyone has any info about Moby's Alberqurque, NM Show (I know the
date and place, but no more than that). If anyone knows ticket prices, time,
anything about the venue etc... It would be greatly appreciated, I am going
to try to see the man twice in the same month (or at least its my
goal)...thanks in advance.

I've been very glad that this subject has been discussed on the list as of
yet. I wrote the question on a whim, purely out of curiousity, glad to see
people are finding this interesting...anyway...
Thank you Sarah, I thought your letter was great as well as your takes on
Moby's most spiritual songs. (other letters were great as well, thats the
last one I read).

I made the mistake or writing that moby was a christian, but when I wrote it
I was meaning "Christian" as in the sense that Sarah said
"I am a Christian by which Idefine as a) believeing in God
                  b) believeing he had a son called Jesus Christ
                  c) Christ died on the cross for our (MY) sins so
that we (I) could have the chance to enter his fathers kingdom when my
physical time on this earth is done."
I understand that Moby is not a "Christian" in the sense of Jerry Falwell or
Pat Robertson...
I feel that a "Christian" does not have to go to church every sunday, and
they don't have to be a certian denomination...which is one reason I found
Moby's beliefs pretty refreshing in an age of fundamentalism... Christians
don't have to be raised in a church, they don't have to have lead the
perfect "good" life, they don't have to go to church, or believe what the
Pope or Pat Robertson believe (not to place the two on the same credibility
level)... Heck, for years I was a devout Atheist later on an Agnostic (up
until about 2 years ago), denying God, pissing off Christians, I still am
Pro-choice, pro-seperation of church and state, form of evolution believing,
politicaly liberal, Cure listening Christian (I obviously disagree with
those on the list that implied believing in Evolution would contradict
believing in the Bible), but not to get off on a theological dogmatic
philosophy...
As for Moby's songs...especially Living...This song to me is a metaphor for
life, life has its ups and downs, the good parts and the bad parts...and
then...at the end ascention into heaven.
Christianity as defined well above is not really a religion, its very
personal (but can be communal), a philosophy on life, and should not be only
looked at in refrence to the fundamentalists....
No more soapbox for me folks. (well not for now).
BTW, rented Beverly Hills Ninja the other night, on one of the previews
before the movie First Cool Hive was playing at the begining of the 5th
Element preview...

NP: Public Enemy "There's a poison going on"
Chuck D and Prof. Griff's new project Confrontation Camp (a political
rap/rock/r&b ish hybrid) is out Aug. 8th...RIYL Rage Against the Machine....
pretty good stuff.

Jake
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