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- mobility-digest Sunday, July 30 2000 Volume 03 : Number 270
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- (mobility) "help me to believe"
- (mobility) Moby Show Perth AU 7/28/00
- (mobility) A Christian View & The Spirituality Of "Everything is Wrong"
- (mobility) The Porcelain video
- RE: (mobility) The Porcelain video
- (mobility) I got tickets to Moby .. and I'm sad.
- (mobility) The price of tickets...
- (mobility) God, Moby and the state of New Mexico
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- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:16:07 -0700 (PDT)
- From: natalie leblanc <natalie_laf@yahoo.com>
- Subject: (mobility) "help me to believe"
-
- i am trying to introduce my roommate to more moby as
- she really does not care for him much. today i made
- her listen to "moby" which she thought was ok, but
- made me think about how freaking amazing he is over
- and over again. i know that picking favorite songs is
- silly and difficult, but "help me to believe" makes me
- so damn happy. the change, when things sort of stop,
- like in "everything" (which is also superb) when the
- dr mario-esque music kicks in. the more i think about
- it the more i think this might be my favorite album.
- i just can't stop smiling...which i'm sure you all
- needed to hear, eh?...natalie.
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- Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:00:03 +0800
- From: Anthony Bara <ant@dragon.net.au>
- Subject: (mobility) Moby Show Perth AU 7/28/00
-
- I must confess, I have not seen Moby in the flesh since he DJ'ed at
- Maskarave in 1993... my how things have changed. Anyway, the show was the
- complete opposite of that night.. more like a rock concert really. Very
- packed venue, very hot... not a very good vibe. Too many drunk meatheads. I
- was a bit confused as to why he brought a vocalist, who mostly lip-synched
- to sequenced vocals, it seems like the bass player only really actually
- played on the more rocky tracks, she definitely wasn't playing on So Real,
- Go or the Bond theme. Anyway Mr. Moby was into it, enjoyed himself it
- seems..does anyone know what he opened with?
-
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- Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 08:08:21 GMT
- From: "Sarah McMullan" <sarahmcmullan@hotmail.com>
- Subject: (mobility) A Christian View & The Spirituality Of "Everything is Wrong"
-
- Hello all,
-
- Firstly yay us for having an interesting informed thoughful debate over the
- last couple of weeks. I've only been a member here for a month or so and
- it's fantastic to find a list that actually debates instead of just swapping
- boring "I love Moby the most" mail.
-
- I've also kept quiet on this whole spirituality/religion thing cos I've been
- horrendously ill with a head cold and haven't really been making much sense
- so now I'm feeling better I'll post.
-
- You have been warned....
-
- For the record I am a 24 nearly 25 year old SWF. I am a Christian by which I
- define as a) believeing in God
- b) believeing he had a son called Jesus Christ
- c) Christ died on the cross for our (MY) sins so
- that we (I) could have the chance to enter his
- fathers kingdom when my physical time on this
- earth is done.
-
- Before some of you go "Yuck! Christian!" and start rolling your eyes
- I'd like to say that I have only been a Christian for 2 or so years, I was
- the worlds staunchest ANTICHRISTIAN for many years prior. I have lived a
- fairly full and varied life and continue to do so (to a degree). I've done
- the whole sex drugs rock n roll thing and have done things I'm not proud of,
- not because I'm a Christian now, but because they just weren't right.
-
- I'm not going to tell anyone how to live or how to act because who am I to
- do that? And anyway it would be pretty hypocritical of me.
-
- I don't agree with many churches policies against abortion or homosexuality.
- I believe and love the teachings of Christ, not the vicious small minded and
- downright nastily self serving views of many right churches today. Love is
- the most important thing in the world.
-
- Becoming a Christian was like making peace with myself. It was just too damn
- hard being judge jury AND executioner for myself all the time. Something was
- not right with me. I had always known that but just couldn't work it out.
- One day (ok, one year :)I did. I made peace and I feel I am better off for
- it.
-
- I don't think you can bring someone to Christianity. It will happen for
- someone when they want it/need it to. If ever. Ultimately - it's between you
- and the big Guy.
-
- My name is Sarah and I'm a Chrsitian. I don't wear walk socks or head
- scarves. I drink (though not to the point of passing out or vomiting teh
- next morning)). I swear. I don't do drugs (anymore) but am not going to tell
- everyone to "stop right this minute or else!!!!". I have a tattoo on my
- lower back (it represents my spiritual strength). I wear anything but
- conservative clothes (just not fur/leather). I dye my hair weird colours. I
- like scary dark films by Lynch and Kubrick. And if I like someone, I'll kiss
- him. With tounge if I want to.
-
- So that's me....why did I tell you all that? Because I was thinking about
- the "Moby's Most Spiritual Songs" thread.
-
- It got me thinking. In fact it got me getting my whole flat to thinking so
- one evening all 3 of us (the 2 boys and I) sat round and listened to the 4
- major albums - Everything is Wrong (EIW), I like to score (ILTS), Animal
- Rights (AR) and Play (play).
-
- We then talked about what we thought was spiritual and why. I know it's
- terribley clinical but it was actually quite fun. This is what we came up
- with. (And I'm sorry but 2 of us both have degrees in communications with a
- special interest in social semiotics thru music; and psychology)
-
- Hymn -
- Definatly a spiritual song. Has an etheral, gliding feel. Delicate (the
- opening keyboards) yet powerful (building swooping strings). Great feelings
- of immense space.
-
- Feeling So Real -
- Uplifting, hopeful. Reminiscent of Hymn via keyboard use.
-
- All That I Need Is To Be Loved -
- To me this is an an incredibley spiritual song. It reminds me very much of
- when I first became a Christian (a couple of years ago) and teh struggle I
- had(have) initially with the paradox of wanting to be godly on earth. All I
- wanted to do was live like Him and it was so damn hard. Being a new
- Christian I also felt isolated as I forged my bond with God much to the
- ridicule an disdain of friends and family who just didn't get it. Even if
- your friends and family DO get it - it's still an isolated experience -
- you're making your peace with god, examining yourself wholly in front of
- someone who knows all. It's very humbling and it doesn't get much more
- personal than that.
-
- "All that I need is to be loved
- Can't you take this out of me
- All I want is to be near you
- Oh my God, how can I love thee?
- Oh my God.....
- No one on earth can need what I need
- Noone on earth can feel what I must feel"
-
- Everytime You Touch Me -
- Hmmm.... we argued about this. Actually we argued about the lyrics.
- "Discussed" the lyrics I mean.
-
- We thought it was (and please help us out if you can)
-
- "Come take me away
- Everything is wrong today
- Everytime you touch me I feel like I'm being born
- Everytime you touch me I feel like I need some more
- Love so high ???????????
- Used to be alone now I feel so (bad?????)"
-
- Looking for a spiritual bent, B suggested it was a rapturous song about
- someone having been touched by the spirit of God and wanting more of it. A
- said bollocks. I'm sitting on the fence.
-
- Into the Blue -
- This track again falls into the definetly spiritual realm. Starting with the
- subtle choral fx on the voice and the organ in the background, it has a very
- cathedral-esque ambience.
-
- What is the blue? I always assumed it was water but my flatmates argue it is
- the sky...."I fly into the blue..."
-
- Water could be a reference to baptisim, rebirth and "...reaching forever..."
- could mean everlasting life. Hmmmmm...
-
- To me the song always gives me the image of floating on my back, arms wide
- open facing the sky as I get tossed with the tide. Rising and falling with
- the waves swell beneath me. It reminds me of giving up all control - going
- with the flow of life (and God) and seeing where we end up 'cos wherever it
- is, it was planned for us.
-
- Everything is Wrong -
- A heartbreaking, maudlin, solitary song.
- Absolute spiritual vibes.
-
- God Moving Over the Face of the Waters-
- Obvious religious reference to walking on water.
- Like Hymn, this piece features a detailed keyboard part (is it me or does it
- sound very much like Michael Nymans "The Piano" soundtrack?) with epic
- swirling strings underneath. Gives the idea of shadows gliding. One
- suggestion was that at about 1min18 seconds where the lilting strings come
- in over the top, it's a bit like angels watching gathering on high to watch
- God as he walks over the water and teh rest of the piece is how His presence
- effects the sea on which he walks.
-
- The keyboard sounds like waves leaping and clapping, I always imagine a vast
- ocean with a wind whipping across it, very powerful, very raw, very alive.
- It's as if Moby has sat and watched immense power of the the ocean and gone
- and created it in his music. The delicate see foam dancing on teh crests to
- the swirling and deadly undercurrents and shear volume of water.
-
- GMOTFOTW stirs my heart.
-
-
- When It's Cold I'd Like To Die -
-
- "Where were you when I was lost
- and locked away freezing cold?
- I don't wanna swim the ocean
- I don't wanna fight the tide
- I don't wanna swim forever
- When it's cold I'd like to die
- what was that my sweet sweet nothing?
- I can't hear you through the fog
- If I holler (let me go?)
- If I falter let me know"
-
- Once again water featuring very strongly. If you extend the metaphors of
- "Into the Blue", as in finding God is like accepting your path, letting go
- and going with the flow then this seems to make alot of sense. (I think!).
-
- This is such a sad song. A plainant "where were you when I needed you?"
- song. The sad reality is, that being a Christian doesn't mean all your
- problems go away. If anything it makes things more difficult and it means
- that at times when you're really soul searching, when you're really
- struggling to understand something that just seems so wrong, you may find
- yourself questioning, asking "why? why? I just don't understand!" and all
- you have is the fact that of course you can't understand - you're not God.
- You can only trust in His plan and sometimes that's really hard.
-
- ****
-
- The other thing we realised is that songs that tend to be slow, solitary,
- sad sounding; that feature delicate keyboards and ambienty type fx tend to
- be the ones where as a listener you can become quite introspective which in
- turn can lead to spiritual trains of thought. What do you reckon?
-
- Man this is long. And atrociously written with shocking spelling and
- grammer. Apologies - guess that cold medication hasn't quite cleared from my
- system. Or maybe it was all those drugs I did in the 80's....(joke - I was
- aged 5 - 15 in the 80's!!!)
-
- Anyway class - tomorrow we will look at Play.....
-
-
- Sarah
-
- PS - Was looking at the letters that Moby had posted to the list. It's
- pretty groovey he reads mobility and isn't afraid to let us know it, that he
- replies and especially that he took time to refute rumours of him having a
- girlfriend. How real boy next door is that?! (If only my next door neighbour
- made music like that....he thinks he's gonna grow up and be in Creed). Plus
- his top ten list kicks ass (it's kinda similar to mine). Time for some work.
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- Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 12:15:51 EDT
- From: No1gypsie@aol.com
- Subject: (mobility) The Porcelain video
-
- I was up real early this morning, I woke up around 4:45 and was up til 6.
- Porcelain came on vh1 at about 10 til 6 and I was still trying to sleep. I
- decided to see what commercial had moby this time and it wasn't a commercial.
- I won't give the video away, it's a good one. Isn't this the one he had to
- change though? I'm still mad about htat, but this video has a real good
- concept.
- They'll probably play it a whole lot, it's got "new" in the corner so it
- should get alot of play.
- Anyway, I hope you all get to see it soon. I want to hear what others think
- too.
-
- Emily
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- Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:46:18 +0100
- From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <Gsproule@x-stream.co.uk>
- Subject: RE: (mobility) The Porcelain video
-
- the original version of the video was far better. the close up of the eye
- one!
-
- when, oh when is moby releasing a dvd of all his videos and the alternate
- versions of them???????
- i for one would love to get my hands on that
-
- also the remix cd when iit is releases (?)
- also if there was a live cd i would be so happy ;-)
-
- p.s. did moby revert back to his old logo, i prefered the new one ;-(
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- Subject: (mobility) The Porcelain video
-
-
- I was up real early this morning, I woke up around 4:45 and was up til 6.
- Porcelain came on vh1 at about 10 til 6 and I was still trying to sleep. I
- decided to see what commercial had moby this time and it wasn't a
- commercial.
- I won't give the video away, it's a good one. Isn't this the one he had to
- change though? I'm still mad about htat, but this video has a real good
- concept.
- They'll probably play it a whole lot, it's got "new" in the corner so it
- should get alot of play.
- Anyway, I hope you all get to see it soon. I want to hear what others think
- too.
-
- Emily
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- Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:21:29 -0700
- From: "Shaun Rader" <DocShasta@yahoo.com>
- Subject: (mobility) I got tickets to Moby .. and I'm sad.
-
- But let me explain:
-
- I bought tickets to Moby's concert at the Greek Theatre in Los Angeles at
- about 12:45 today. The tickets went on sale at noon. I was in complete
- shock when they took out the seating chart and told me where my seats would
- be...
-
- I'm sad because if I had known this was a seated concert I would have been
- at Ticketbastard well before noon in hopes of getting the front row or
- something.
-
- My seats aren't horrible (looks about 20 or 30 rows back but on the far
- right side) but you get my point. I can't believe Moby's only L.A. show is
- going to be a sit down theatre!! Oh yeah the ticket says $31 but after the
- service charge it ends up $36.75. Pretty darn expensive!
-
- Tonight I'm going to see BT at a club and that's gonna be $25 bux.. why is
- everything so expensive now?
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- Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 05:52:54 GMT
- From: "Sarah McMullan" <sarahmcmullan@hotmail.com>
- Subject: (mobility) The price of tickets...
-
- Hey all,
-
- Sunday afternoon in sleepy wee Taupo and having already cleaned the bathroom
- top to toe, entertained guests for 3 hours in my bathrobe (that wasn't the
- entertainment so stop right there...)and finally got dressed, I'm continuing
- the trend of non stop excitement by prepping tomorrows show tonight. Oh how
- very rock n roll is radio.....
-
- Anyway, saw Shauns post and had to chuckle.
-
- Down here in New Zealand, a show for $36.75 would be a considered a steal!!!
- The Moby gig I went to a week or so ago cost me $48NZ for the ticket plus
- booking fee of $8 per ticket. (As in you could buy 10 tickets on teh one
- credit card and still have to pay a total of $80 booking fee).
-
- Ricky Martin is playing here in October (ohhh hold me back:) tickets are
- FROM $90 plus booking fee and the likes of the Rolling Stones and U2 don't
- even come here anymore cos they can't make any money unless they charge over
- $400 per ticket.
-
- The Popmart tour came to Sydney Australia instead of NZ cos of the very
- harsh reality of cost. For them to have played here they would have needed
- to charge $500+ a ticket and needed a minimum of 100000 people. Sydney with
- 450000 people at $100Aust was a better bet.
-
- It sucks. We hardly get any good gigs here and if they do come to NZ chances
- are they go to Auckland only (which for the unenlightened is our biggest
- city; has a popn of about 1 and a quarter million people and is situated
- towards the top of the North Island which means you're looking at an airfare
- of at least $500 return to get there from anywhere in the South Island. 3 NZ
- dollars = 1 US dollar, 3.5 NZ$ = 1 pound).
-
- I however am now living only a mere 3 and a half hour drive out of Auckland
- so it's making things a little more bearable.
-
- Big concerts to hit NZ this year?
-
- Vengaboys (oh stop the excitement!!!)
- Tom Jones
- Englebert Humperdink
- Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals
- MOBY (of course :)
- Travis
- and a handful of djs like Nick Warren who play one off gigs in Akld.
- (And in case you're wondering - I saw nearly all of the above. In fact I did
- see all but the Vengaboys.( Wonder why?!)
-
- It's quite a sad state of affairs really.
-
- The good thing is apart from shows where you want to sit down (Tom,
- Englebert etc etc) there are never sit down shows. I've never been to one
- here. Mainly I guess cos the venues aren't that big anyway and usually there
- is a seated area available. The 3 times I've seen Moby here he has always
- had a seated area available.
-
- Unfortunately the price of tix is also refelected in price of paraphenalia.
- $50 Moby t shirt anyone? I believe the Neil Diamond t shirts were like $90
- last year. Scary but true.
-
- (And in case you're wondering - I used to work at a love songs station so
- Tom, Neil, Englebert etc were all work enforced visitation. Though I would
- have paid for Neil and Tom - LEGENDS!!!)
-
- So next time you glance thru the band listings and moan cos there's nothing
- on just be glad you're not here in NZ where there really ISN'T anything on.
- Except some fantastic kiwi music but that's a whole different
- posting......:)
-
- Sarah
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- Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:11:12 GMT
- From: "Jake M." <rockmanrock@hotmail.com>
- Subject: (mobility) God, Moby and the state of New Mexico
-
- First off, to those who don't care about the religion topic, I would like to
- know if anyone has any info about Moby's Alberqurque, NM Show (I know the
- date and place, but no more than that). If anyone knows ticket prices, time,
- anything about the venue etc... It would be greatly appreciated, I am going
- to try to see the man twice in the same month (or at least its my
- goal)...thanks in advance.
-
- I've been very glad that this subject has been discussed on the list as of
- yet. I wrote the question on a whim, purely out of curiousity, glad to see
- people are finding this interesting...anyway...
- Thank you Sarah, I thought your letter was great as well as your takes on
- Moby's most spiritual songs. (other letters were great as well, thats the
- last one I read).
-
- I made the mistake or writing that moby was a christian, but when I wrote it
- I was meaning "Christian" as in the sense that Sarah said
- "I am a Christian by which Idefine as a) believeing in God
- b) believeing he had a son called Jesus Christ
- c) Christ died on the cross for our (MY) sins so
- that we (I) could have the chance to enter his fathers kingdom when my
- physical time on this earth is done."
- I understand that Moby is not a "Christian" in the sense of Jerry Falwell or
- Pat Robertson...
- I feel that a "Christian" does not have to go to church every sunday, and
- they don't have to be a certian denomination...which is one reason I found
- Moby's beliefs pretty refreshing in an age of fundamentalism... Christians
- don't have to be raised in a church, they don't have to have lead the
- perfect "good" life, they don't have to go to church, or believe what the
- Pope or Pat Robertson believe (not to place the two on the same credibility
- level)... Heck, for years I was a devout Atheist later on an Agnostic (up
- until about 2 years ago), denying God, pissing off Christians, I still am
- Pro-choice, pro-seperation of church and state, form of evolution believing,
- politicaly liberal, Cure listening Christian (I obviously disagree with
- those on the list that implied believing in Evolution would contradict
- believing in the Bible), but not to get off on a theological dogmatic
- philosophy...
- As for Moby's songs...especially Living...This song to me is a metaphor for
- life, life has its ups and downs, the good parts and the bad parts...and
- then...at the end ascention into heaven.
- Christianity as defined well above is not really a religion, its very
- personal (but can be communal), a philosophy on life, and should not be only
- looked at in refrence to the fundamentalists....
- No more soapbox for me folks. (well not for now).
- BTW, rented Beverly Hills Ninja the other night, on one of the previews
- before the movie First Cool Hive was playing at the begining of the 5th
- Element preview...
-
- NP: Public Enemy "There's a poison going on"
- Chuck D and Prof. Griff's new project Confrontation Camp (a political
- rap/rock/r&b ish hybrid) is out Aug. 8th...RIYL Rage Against the Machine....
- pretty good stuff.
-
- Jake
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