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mobility-digest        Tuesday, August 24 1999        Volume 02 : Number 095



(mobility) my dad can beat your dad up!
Re: (mobility) my dad can beat your dad up!
Re: (mobility) my dad can beat your dad up!
Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93
Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses <and> Questions for Moby
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93
Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses
(mobility) Mobyisms & MOBY's DENVER SHOW
(mobility) I ain't no sell out

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:57:30 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Chris Stepanek)
Subject: (mobility) my dad can beat your dad up!

It is great everyone on this list talks about things but this whole thing
about selling out and music for the masses, come one.  Personally I like the
color Orange, I prefer diet coke to regular coke and I like pie, oh ya my
dad can kick all of your dad's asses.  Sound pretty dumb, it is! For one we
all have opinions, and we all should express them but stop coming down on
others just because you disagree. if you disagree think out an arguement and
present it , don't just resort to trivial put downs and four letter words.
We all think different things

Secondly, who cares if Moby "sells out". I personally don't listen to Moby
because he is so undergorund and cool, rather he makes amazing music that
never stops to amaze or bore me (and I am going into my 8th or so year
listening to him). If Moby makes $700,000,000,000,000,000 dollars, goes on
tour with the backstreet boys, starts selling t-shirts at wal-mart and your
local chess king fine, more power to him. That just means more music for us
to listen to, when it stops being good then we go somewhere else.  I don't
know who/what/where the idea that once you become successful (especially in
the music world) you are a sell-out, your music becomes trivial and you
aren't "core" anymore. In each one of our lives we strive to do the best we
can in everything, it is not like you stop and say to yourself, "whoa there,
i am just too damn successful right now, time to stop".

Stop trying to pre-package ideas here. Everyone is complaining about
selling-out, but at the same time everyone is spouting the same carbon copy
ideas and in away they are sell-outs. Think for yourself, if you dig
something dig it, if you don't then don't simple. Even Moby wrote that life
is far to complicated to make black and white.

I can't wait to catch the next Moby/N'synch/hanson tour when it comes to my
town!


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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:06:18 -0700
From: kimbalina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) my dad can beat your dad up!

>
> >I can't wait to catch the next Moby/N'synch/hanson tour when it comes to my
> >town!

Me either, can we car pool?  Gee, that drummer for Hanson, what a hottie! :-P

Ok, really, good email, I agree.  We should all stop and feel the love vibes, do
ya feel 'em?  *gigle*  Life is too short to obsess over it I guess and I feel
bad for taking about five minutes out of my day to think too much about it. :-)
*hug*

- --kimby

PS
And to get your mind off of it, go, do something creative!  Listen to a song you
like and be happy.  Wear an ugly shirt!  Dare to not dare!  Uh, I'm carried away
now. :-)

>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:05:33 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) my dad can beat your dad up!

In a message dated 8/24/99 6:03:48 PM Central Daylight Time,
[e-mail] writes:

<< PS
 And to get your mind off of it, go, do something creative!  Listen to a song
you
 like and be happy.  Wear an ugly shirt!  Dare to not dare!  Uh, I'm carried
away
 now. :-) >>


that is so true kim. thats so trippy. kudos to you!!!

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:21:29 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses

Ditto...I agree with Dave.
What happens will happen, but history - even if slightly altered - seems to
repeat itself so I don't expect things to blow up into the "overnite phenom"
that others may seem to on the TRL (personally not fond of).  Even if Moby
becomes as well known as Bjork or other artists that are still "odd" to the
mainstream, I think he will be more deeply loved and appreciated by small
numbers...you never know...just chill...spread the word...or keep it in your
headphones...just breathe, wiggle every bone in your body and enjoy...
Waiting for Moby to come westward (Coachella! cannot wait!)
Gabriele
"Hippidity Dude with hackety sack,
Don't eatta da meat or smoky da crack.
He's so Crescent Fresh!"

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:22:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93

moby selling out- i think part of what I like best about being a fan and
admirer of Moby is that I respect him. I wish him all the best in whatever
his career brings. My take on the issue of mainstream popularity is pretty
much that if he's going to become mainstream, it'll most likely be on his
own terms, you know? And I like Moby's terms. I have enojyed watching him
twist and turn through genres and styles, and I assume that he will
continue to experiment and try new things musically and personally as time
goes on. So if he gets popular, makes a lot of money and new fans, I hope
he enjoys every minute of it. Should the tides change and force Moby into
obscurity, well props to mobility; we will stand by our man. He has
already accomplished quite a lot, don't you think? And as to the
mainstream reaction to Moby, "teenybopperism", I'll tell you all a deep
dark secret. When I was younger, I was a *HUGE* third wave Monkees fan. I
can't say the music is particularily amazing, or that they deserve Oscars
or anything, but they made me laugh, and some of those kinds of
experiences are worth more than any deep, appreciative, serious moment in
high art. SO CHEERS! Enjoy the music, and the persona who offers it to all
his fans alike.

Meaghan

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:28:39 PDT
From: "jj fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93

You're probably right about the autograph thing, and I probably would feel
violated somehow if Moby were mainstream, but on the other hand it might
enlighten some people on the values of REAL music (i sure sound pretentious,
don't i? :) ).

I'd like Fatboy Slim a lot more if he weren't popular :)


>From: [e-mail]
>Reply-To: [e-mail]
>To: [e-mail]
>Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93
>Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:15:05 EDT
>
>ok not to be a dick or anything like that but do people on this list
>actually
>want everyone listing to Moby. Like would you want people who listen to
>Backstreet Boys, listening to moby. I think that everyone on here loves him
>so much because not everyone knows him. From what I've been reading, not
>many
>people know about him and I'm kinda glad. If more people start listening to
>him then after the shows you think he would stick around and sign
>autographs
>and talk to each and every person. No I don't think so. I love that barely
>anyone knows him.  It makes you feel closer to him when you get to talk to
>him after the show. that's just my opinion as of right now.
>
>Sun
>


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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:35:36 -0700
From: kimbalina <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93

> >So if he gets popular, makes a lot of money and new fans, I hope
> >he enjoys every minute of it.

That's true I mean, whose life is it any way?  None of us are MOBY.  *sigh*
We have our wants and desires but heck, let it be, as I said before.  Let it
be. :-)

> >Should the tides change and force Moby into
> >obscurity, well props to mobility; we will stand by our man. He has
> >already accomplished quite a lot, don't you think?

Agreed.

> >When I was younger, I was a *HUGE* third wave Monkees fan. I
> >can't say the music is particularily amazing, or that they deserve Oscars
> or anything,

I was too, infact, I still love the MONKEES!  I totally love the MONKEES.  I
mean, gosh, other ppl wrote most of their music!  But it's still fun and I
have a lot of good MONKEE memories.  *sigh*  And hey, I like 80's music a lot
and like that stuff was very lyrically or musically amazing?  Come on, Lisa
and The Cult Jam?!  No. :-)

- --kimby

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:38:00 -0600
From: Rob <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses <and> Questions for Moby

At 04:15 PM 8/24/1999 EDT, you wrote:

>Plenty of you will refute -- but they were all on psychedelics -- that's why
>they felt an emotional connection with the music.  If that's what it takes
>for people to appreciate music again, I prescribe our entire society to trip
>every day!!!!!

Ok, I've got my question for Moby. I'll try and keep this impersonal and i
won't say what i think of this comment (im really not to sure how serious a
comment it was), but I'm really curious about how Moby would react to a
comment such as this one.  What is Moby's stance on drugs, and especially
the possible influence that these "psychedelics" have on people and how
they may relate to his music? Would he condone this type of thinking, or
would he think of his music more as a drug (not in the harmful sense) in
itself, worthy of standing alone?  And to continue down that line, does he
think that his music would be better appreciated straight or a in an
altered state? Or maybe a time and a place (and maybe a different song
list) for everything?  I'm not sure if this interviewer guy has already
asked his questions, just too many emails a day to keep track, but i would
like to hear.  Maybe Moby has already spoken on the subject, and if so,
someone could fill me in.

Oh and Kees thanks for the new nick, to clear up confusion i am now
- - Canadian Rob

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:37:22 -0400
From: beejo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V2 #93

jj fish wrote:

> I'd like Fatboy Slim a lot more if he weren't popular :)
>

bingo. aside from having the meatheads now love him, there was the surprise of
being sick of hearing his songs on every commercial and movie soundtrack for
about six months. had a buddy in my car some months ago asked me to put in some
Fatboy i had to tell him no. i can't take it anymore. and i think that's what we
don't want to happen w/our Moby.
cheers
bj

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:52:03 PDT
From: "jj fish" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby for the masses

>His audience is wide and consists of not only the people on this list
>but also teeny boppers, industry insiders, other musicians, and >people who
>watch Greg and Dharma commmercials.

I've never met any "teeny boppers" who liked Moby, with the possible
exclusion of Bodyrock.

I like the bassline and chorus for a BSB song, but I hate the meaningless
lyrics (talking about romance rather than
Love).  So I don't buy anything by them.

Teeny boppers may like Bodyrock but they don't actively buy Moby albums, or
go out of their way to go to concerts or read up on him. I would not call
them fans then, but just people who like him casually.
I'm not putting them down, but they aren't really an audience.

>Comments like this bother me immensely.  In the 60's folk music was a
>big market, like electronica is today. Woodstock was comprised of the
>most popular "white people" music of the day, much like the Woodstock
>and lollapaloozas of today.  I know people who went to woodstock 99
>and the feelings they expressed to me were similar to those expressed by
>the attendees of the original.  Just because people change and trends
>change doesn't mean the basic order of society changes.

I may have not been alive in the 60s (or the 70s for that matter) but I love
Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, the later Beatles, CCR, because I discovered them by
myself and find them INTELLIGENT and THOUGHTFUL and SOCIALLY AWARE, unlike
BSB or Britney Spears (does it bother you that those two both have a BS in
their initials?_)

I don't think electronica is really big, at least "real" electronica.  Big
Beat isn't really electronica, but Pop(I like it still, though).
Electronica is, for me, ambient, trance, IDM, etc.

Pop, by its own standards, is nonconfrontational and usually about Romance
or Nothing.  Groups like Limp Bizkit, Korn, Puff Daddy, or Kid Rock don't
really have a message, but revolve around bringing their respective genre's
(Metal, Rock, Rap, etc) to the mainstream by dumbing it down.  Most of those
genre's had soul...

I don't think Limp Bizkit or Korn or Kid Rock are metal, rap or rock, but
Pop derivations.  Most of their songs appeal to teenage angst superficially
(Limp Bizkit's "Break Stuff" is one of the most obvious pandering song
titles I've heard).

Rage Against the Machine I respect, though I don't like the music itself.

I don't like all rap, but have respect for Real rap, that is, rap with a
message (Public Enemy).

REAL music is emotional or truly visceral or powerful or full of a message
or experimental just because it wants to, not because it's fashionable.

POP music is popular and is usually a watering down of REAL music, with
occasional real crossovers (The Beatles, Paul Simon, Rage Against the
Machine, Public Enemy, etc.).

Backstreet Boys sometimes I wonder about becoming like the Beatles- starting
off with POP and moving into intelligence....????

Sorry about the pretentiousness.

>I used to feel the same way since I am myself a musician and I play 8
>instruments prolifically, I always used to hate hearing drum machines
>and synth guitars, etc thinking it was not "real" enough for me.  Then I
>started working with an Emu analog synth from the 70s and became a
>recording engineer and that made me realize it doesn't matter where the
>music comes from, its how its put together and how it comes out.

I used to hate synths, too....

http://www.mp3.com/CorrugatedFunk

"I've never heard any music like this in my life, and if I
have, I don't know where I've heard it."
- -The Orb


ambient, techno, dub, classical, minimalist, satire, world

Defending the Universe from the Threat of the Dream Eaters



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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:32:22 -0600 (MDT)
From: Ruben A Blanco <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Mobyisms & MOBY's DENVER SHOW

Hello all,

(Sooorry this is a long response, my 2 cents)

I have been reading all the music criticism and MOBY TOUR REVIEWS and all
I can say is that MOBY is moving in a postitive motion. He was once known
for being the little skinny bald guy cranking out the "COOL" Rave Beats at
small clubs and small rave acts at Touring Electronica shows and then
Woodstock. He made it big for "Everything is Wrong" and was pronounced the
Grandfather of TECHNO. He landed big Soundtrack arranging and Remixing
BASED ON HIS TRUE TALENT. Everybody questioned him for doing "Animal
Rights," and then now everybody is blasting him for being "too popular?"

I went to a FREE MOBY CONCERT in Denver at the KTCL FREELOADER Concert
Series and it was a blast! There were alot of people who attended that
were not "Die Hard Moby Fans" but were there for the free concert or
whatever reason. The Concert Venue "Ogden Theater" reached it's capacity
and had to close it's doors and turn away a lot of people (either Moby
Fans or FreeLoaders). Moby played for Free! Who else does that? Not a lot
of Artists can.

My point is MOBY is such a great Musician that he touched all the Fans
there at that free concert. Maybe they will buy up all the Moby records
who knows? But they were all effected when the emotional movements for the
songs Porcelain, Why Does my Heart Feel So Bad, Go, Feeling So Real, etc.
Then ending the concert with no shirt on, standing up on his instrument
the Keyboard, arms extended, lights flashing, MOBY was displaying
himself for all to see. Did he want to show off his skinny frame
body? Was he trying to cool off after the HOT concert? Maybe he was
stating "this is who I am!" He didn't come onto the stage with a sparkling
Silver Suit with a matching cowboy hat, he wasn't dressed all in black
with his face all painted, he wasn't wearing a kilt, he didn't say
anything - no messages. He just stood there. It was a very moving sight,
everybody was in awe. And 1000 was blasting (I think, Moby said it was the
shortest song he had ever made). The Synthesizers were blasting an
emotional musical movement, Moby not moving arms extended in a crucifixion
manner, lights flashing and lighting Moby's body. It was an unforgetable
sight pure emotion.

Leaving the concert everybody was amused in some fashion. So that means
that MOBY was successful reaching new people with his music and effecting
them in some way. Moby did say that he wanted to make his new album that
would have have music for everybody. He succeeded in that!

With sold out concerts and people buying up PLAY (and others) I would like
to see Moby "strike it rich!" I would like to see him Donate Millions of
Dollars to Protect Animals, protect the environment, protect the civil
rights of others, and to promote peace and inspire people with his music.
He could be up there with Sting and Bono and I wouldn't see him as selling
out. MOBY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH HIS MUSIC, and he
is doing that.

He is going to make it to the Awards Shows and have his little Idiot
T-Shirt on and touch Millions with his music. IS THAT A BAD THING? He is
making his own music his way now, is that a Bad thing? He is making people
feel good about themselves through his music. Is that a BAD THING?

The time will come when MOBY will be headlining music awards,
up there with the Backstreet Boys, etc. with the same national exposure
and I will be proud on knowing that I have known his music, been touched
and inspired by his music, and have been priviledged (sp?) to hear his
message. Is that so BAD?

Nah!

So for all you folks who have not been able to see MOBY catch him now.
The Emotion he puts into his music LIVE is unforgetable.

I want people to buy his music, I want people to see him PLAY,
I don't mind if MTV Carson does whatever with MOBY's Music.
Moby has been around for a long time making music and hasn't deviated from
his true IDEALS. I want to see him with that success, because with such
success he will make a difference in today's society. He made
Techno\Electronica mainstream. He is making music for the soundtrack of
life. What will he do next?

MOBY THANKS FOR THE GREAT SHOW AND THE GREAT MUSIC!!!!
YOU HAVE DONE MORE THAN YOU REALIZE AND WE ALL APPRECIATE IT!!!!

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

Ruben Blanco
[e-mail]
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:39:36 -0600
From: Rob <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) I ain't no sell out

Ok, now my two cents on this, cause this has become quite the heated
debate.  I think the thing that worries most people is popularity brings an
artist down to a lesser level.  But I think the truly great artists have
the ability to please both the masses and, sorry to sound like an elitist,
but those who look further into the music.  My friend loves Moby because
she finds many admirable things in him, both as an artist and as a man.  It
is very much more than having a beat to dance around to.  But if Moby has
reached the point of his career where he is also able to satisfy those just
looking for a good beat (or a popular one) while still respecting who he
is, and what his music stands for, he is probably a better artist now than
he was before.  A sell-out isn't measured by the amount of records they
sell, but by the amount of conviction they have when standing by their
beliefs (as long as those beliefs aren't making money of course - but then
again, that would probably be a belief all the same, if it were well
argued, though... if thats what the music would be about. thats a whole
other topic).  Would anyone call the great painters, the great composers,
the great writers of the past sell outs because they were popular?  We all
strive for greatness, and sometimes an artist displays his or her
greatness, and some can truly comprehend their message, while others just
glance at afar.  I probably will never be able to truly appreciate a
Shakespearean drama or Bach concerto or a Picasso painting, but I find them
beautiful all the same.  And sometimes I am able to move somewhat closer to
the beauty behind the image, and that is what gives a popular artist
credibility.  When the artist can please both the simple senses and the
more refined, it is much more meaningful than just being able to play for
those who readily appreciate the more complicated details of what it means
to be Moby (or for that matter, those who just recognize a good beat).  So
good for Moby.  I personally like a lot of very popular things, including
some music, and that has no indication of whether or not I have sold out.
The thing someone should be asking is whether or not this newfound audience
is a conscious attempt by Moby to gain in material wealth. And if someone
believes that Moby would go that far for money, at least from what I have
gathered about Moby so far, then this mailing list probably isn't the best
place for their input.  But you can, and should, listen to him all the same.

Canadian Rob

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