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mobility-digest       Friday, February 12 1999       Volume 01 : Number 333



RE: (mobility) Axl Rose collab?
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
Re: (mobility) teletubbies?!?
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #331
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332
(mobility) Animal Rights CDs ...6 of them
(mobility) Prodigy
(mobility) moby as pop culture

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:53:25 -0500
From: "Williams, Chris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) Axl Rose collab?

Moby realized in order to help GnR out, he would have to move to LA for an
extended period of time... guess he didn't like that idea, so they pulled
the plug.

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> Sent:     Friday, February 12, 1999 9:00 AM
> To:     [e-mail]
> Subject:     (mobility) Axl Rose collab?
>
> >Well, as already mentioned, if Moby finds that Prodigy song
> >offensive then maybe he shouldn't be hangin' around with Axl
> >Rose.
>
> I remember reading in spin or somewhere, maybe it was this list, that the
> reason GnR broke up was because Axl wanted to start experimenting with
> "prodigy like" music, but that the rest of the band, especially slash
> wanted
> to stick with the hard rock.  I then read that Axl was trying to do a solo
> project and was looking for a producer, namely moby.  Whatever came of
> this?
> Did Moby refuse or did Axl quit the project?
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:15:37 +0000
From: [e-mail] (Chris Stepanek)
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332

>>1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?
feeling so real
>>2. some as 1., except  moby album?
early underground

>>3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it be?
Is it best to live a simple life?

>>4. same as 3 but not serious?
Coke or Pepsi?  or maybe Evian or Poland Spring?  hahaha

>>5. who's the greatest mc?
?

>>6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
>>animal-fur-free, duh.
nah, I like jcrew

>>7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie? i love that show in case you
>>couldnt tell. ROCK!
?

>>8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?
either Moby vs. Kathy Lee Gifford or Moby vs. Oprah

>>9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT like? he
>>seems to like everything...
nope...I have heard praise though for Kenny Rogers...

>>10. which came first, the moby or the egg? i dont know...
Definitely the egg.  I mean, moby's been around for 30-35 years tops, the
egg's been around for, what, at least 50,000,000? (ditto)


ummmm..

Again I ask this...Does the honey video exist anywhere online as a quicktime
movie or AVI?

arigatoo gozaimasu

cstepanek (ur)

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:24:58 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) teletubbies?!?

I believe I've already weighed in on this one, but i can't resist......

Being a former Christian (4 years of a Catholic School where athletics is
the true god of the school board kinda beat it out of me), I cringe to
realize that the majority of the contact non-christians have with christians
is through falwell, robertson, bakker, and other zealots who preach their
narrow beliefs as fundamental christian dogma.  This thing with the
Teletubbies is just another example of the religious "right" running amok.

btw, and i thought this was funny, robertson was saying earlier in 1998 that
Disney World should be careful because God was upset that Disney offers
insurance to "life partners" (read Gay Lovers).  I believe the exact words
were "y'all should watch out, because there are a lot of hurricanes that go
through that area!"  The irony here is that, just after robertson said that,
a hurricane hit, coincidentally, South Carolina, coincidentally, in the town
where robertson films his show, the 700 club.  I remember hearing this and
imagining the execs at disney dancing in a circle chanting "now who's
laughing" a la the simpsons.

Anyways, the main reason falwell is upset probably is, you see, the
teletubbies have those television sets in their middles, and probably
wouldn't sell any airtime to falwell.  Therefore, following the thought
process falwell uses, one of the teletubbies must be gay.............

The opinions expressed above represent my own opinions, no one else's.

daniel

"....baddest and the best, megalomaniacal and harder than the rest..." - KMFDM

>The irrepressible reverend Jerry Falwell has decided to impart upon us
>his infinite wisdom as usual.  If you saw the movie The Peole vs. Larry
>Flynt, the preacher character was him.  Falwell is known for starting the
>Moral Majority durring the Reagan era, more recently I noticed he declared
>that the anti-christ was here on earth in the form of a jewish man.  He
>represents the fringe of christianity in this country along with other such
>icons as Pat Robertson and the Christian Coalition.  Ignore him.  Though he
>is right in some regard, most(repeat most, not ALL!) christians hold similar
>beliefs, including the idea that homosexuality is wrong(in fact it is
>specifically condemned in Leviticus and proscribes the death penatly for it!
>Though lesbianism is allowed).  This gives insight as to Moby's beliefs.
>>From anything that I've read he claims that he holds dear the teachings of
>Jesus Christ(love thy neighbor, be altruistic etc...) but doesn't subscribe
>to the christian religion in its dogma or mysticism.

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:11:04 PST
From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332

>Second Question (this goes for anyone, not just Brett): Will someone
tell me
>what "The Story So Far" is like?

I saw the story so far in a shop quite a # of years ago.  But, I believe
it's the UK version of the self titled album on Instinct records.  there
may or may not be a couple different songs, I just don't
remember...maybe someone who actually owns it could speak up? I remember
seeing 'Next is the E' UK version at that time as well and it didn't
have the song 'Thousand' on it.

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:27:06 PST
From: "Android M" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #331

>From: Christopher Dovichak <[e-mail]>

>Before I go, one question--you guys keep talking about "Demons and
>Horses", I have never seen or heard of this. What's it like? Where can
I
>get it?

Demons/Horses is, IMO, the best Voodoo Child release.  It's dark,
repetitive trance.  Many Moby releases seem quite bouncy & happy.  Not
this one.  It sounds like the 'less innocent' side of Moby.  I would
definitely recommend it.  I periodically see it in the
'import-CD-singles' bin at my local record store but I hear (from people
on this list) that it's hard to come by.


>survey time!!!!!!!
>
>1. what is your LEAST fave moby song?

Someone to Love (he's too whiney)

>2. some as 1., except  moby album?

AR (even though I like a ton of punk & metal bands)

>3. if you could ask moby any one question (serious)  what would it be?

Have you ever had a panic attack onstage?

>4. same as 3 but not serious?

Want to play bass for MY band?

>5. who's the greatest mc?

the prodigy fellow

>6. how bout we come up with a moby line of clothing? all
>animal-fur-free, duh.

sure, why not...

>7. should moby appear on sifl and ollie? i love that show in case you
>couldnt tell. ROCK!

no he should play two songs on SNL -or- he could cook some great vegan
recipes, New England style, with Martha Stewart.

>8. if moby could death-match anyone, who should it be?

Mazinga, Ultraman, or Ian McKaye

>9. is there one group that you have heard moby say he DIDNT like? he
>seems to like everything...

I just hear him say that "most techno is crap",  "DJ's killed techno",
etc.

>10. which came first, the moby or the egg? i dont know...

Moby's egg-shaped head.


>bye!!!!1
>


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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 18:08:36 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332

'The Story so Far' has 'Thousand' on it and 'I feel it (I
feel it mix)' - which has someone stuttering n,ne,nex,
next, next is the,etc... is the e' on it. I've never
actually heard the track 'Next is the E', to the best of my
conscious knowledge. I quite like a lot of the stuff on it,
though some would say it's a bit dated now. Why do people
say that, by the way? Does it mean only the latest stuff is
good and all the old stuff is crap in techno world, or what?
You can only like the new stuff, or you're not trendy
enough?

Anyway, it's also got two versions of 'Go' on it - one of
them is the 'woodtick mix' and can't remember the other.

Okay I'll try and remember some of the tracks (don't listen
to it much): Ah-Ah, I feel it (i feel it mix), Slight
return, Thousand, Go (? mix), Go (woodtick mix), shit can't
remember any more, sorry - brain fuzzy. Anyone else like to
have a go?

TMB

On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:11:04 PST Android M
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> >Second Question (this goes for anyone, not just Brett): Will someone
> tell me
> >what "The Story So Far" is like?
>
> I saw the story so far in a shop quite a # of years ago.  But, I believe
> it's the UK version of the self titled album on Instinct records.  there
> may or may not be a couple different songs, I just don't
> remember...maybe someone who actually owns it could speak up? I remember
> seeing 'Next is the E' UK version at that time as well and it didn't
> have the song 'Thousand' on it.
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:03:31 -0500
From: McSherry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332

>>Second Question (this goes for anyone, not just Brett): Will someone
>tell me
>>what "The Story So Far" is like?
>
>I saw the story so far in a shop quite a # of years ago.  But, I believe
>it's the UK version of the self titled album on Instinct records.  there
>may or may not be a couple different songs, I just don't
>remember...maybe someone who actually owns it could speak up? I remember
>seeing 'Next is the E' UK version at that time as well and it didn't
>have the song 'Thousand' on it.
>
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First off, with regards to Animal Rights, I have the UK imort twice, one
with Little Idiot, and one without. After purchasing the US version, I
heard "My Love Will Never Die", and thought it was great, and bought the UK
import for $11.99, shortly after I found that same import with the bonus
disk, and well, I just had to have that so now I have three. THere is also
a japenese import floating around with a couple bonus tracks I don't know
the names of them I'm afraid, and have heard one person mention to me that
they saw a version of Animal rights, with additional live tracks on it. I
have never seen this listed anywhere, and don't know if it's all that true,
maybe someone else can shed some light on it.

Also The Story so far actually has two different versions, the first
version is the same as the "Moby" self titled album, except for one change
the song Drop a Beat was dropped (pardon the pun) for the song Thousand.
The reissue brought out a few months later saw a remix of Go, I feel it,
and help me to believe. All of which including Thousand are on the Rarities
and B-sides double disk.

So if you have the self titled "Moby", and the rarities double disk, then
you have everything on the Story so Far.

Brett McSherry

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 19:18:07 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332

On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:03:31 -0500 McSherry
<[e-mail]> wrote:

hey saw a version of Animal rights, with additional live tracks on it. I
> have never seen this listed anywhere, and don't know if it's all that true,
> maybe someone else can shed some light on it.

I don't know if they mean the 4 live tracks from AR on the
CD, 'Live at the Splash Club' in London? I got my one free
when I ordered a Moby t-shirt from [e-mail]
>
> Also The Story so far actually has two different versions, the first
> version is the same as the "Moby" self titled album, except for one change
> the song Drop a Beat was dropped (pardon the pun) for the song Thousand.
> The reissue brought out a few months later saw a remix of Go, I feel it,
> and help me to believe.


> Brett McSherry

I'm sure my 'story so far' has 'Thousand' AND 'Drop a beat'?
Will have to have a look, if I ever get home!?

Tim.



>
>
>

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Cranfield University
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:17:02 -0500
From: Brett McSherry <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332

>>
>> Also The Story so far actually has two different versions, the first
>> version is the same as the "Moby" self titled album, except for one change
>> the song Drop a Beat was dropped (pardon the pun) for the song Thousand.
>> The reissue brought out a few months later saw a remix of Go, I feel it,
>> and help me to believe.
>
>
>> Brett McSherry
>
>I'm sure my 'story so far' has 'Thousand' AND 'Drop a beat'?
>Will have to have a look, if I ever get home!?
>
>Tim.
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>Tim Beecher
>Cranfield University
>[e-mail]


Hmmm... I think then that you have the reissue of The Story so far, it does
contain a newer version of Drop a beat, and still keeps the song Thousand
on it. The first issue, which is long gone by now, was indeed the same as
the Instinct release of Moby, yet Drop a Beat which is the first track off
the album is gone, and Thousand is brought in, and appears at the end of
the Story so far.

Now this is only in the very fist version of Story so far, the reissue does
include a variety of new songs (all of are on the rarities disk, or the
Moby disk), and a completely different track listing.


Sorry for not being very clear the first time. My bad...


Brett McSherry

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:39:30 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #332

Thanks for the info...i'll stop looking around for it seeing as
(technically) I already have it...

daniel

"Confusion in her eyes says it all...she's lost control" - Joy Div.

>So if you have the self titled "Moby", and the rarities double disk, then
>you have everything on the Story so Far.
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:01:11 PST
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Animal Rights CDs ...6 of them

Trivial info: There are 6 official Moby CDs with the title Animal
Rights. 5 of these have music on them.

AR - US version
AR - UK version
AR - UK version w/ Little Idiot
AR - Japan issue, same as US with "New Dawn Fades" as a bonus track
AR - Interview CD
AR - Live At The Splash Club (includes 4 of 7 officially released Live
At The Splash Club songs, the other 3 are on Come On Baby singles)

Splash Club songs:

ATINITBL (Come On Baby)
Go (Come On Baby)
Hymn (Come On Baby Ltd. 2CD only)
Someone To Love (Elektra Revolver promo, Splash Club CD
You (Elektra Revolver promo, Splash Club CD)
Say It's All Mine (Splash Club CD)
Face It (Splash Club CD)

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:28:05 -0600
From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Prodigy

 I'm sorry to hear that moby didn't like the title of this song.  How
 narrow-minded for an open-minded guy!  If the title of this song offends
 you, and that stupid loser that ruined the prodigy doesn't(the dumbshit
 "singer"), you have some problems.

 #1  It's called freedom of speech, baby!

 #2  Does the title actually mean anything?  If so, don't buy prodigy cds.
 I hope you don't buy them anyway.  I have some of their old cds from when
 they were good, but I bought them all used, so I didn't give them any
money.

 #3  Did it ever occur to anyone that 9 out of 10 people who are "offended"
 by this song title like stuff like "Bobby Digital" , Wu-Tang, etc.  In
which there is not a single song that goes by without enormous amounts of
women-degredation,  violence, etc.  Almost every popular hip-hop group/solo
artist out there, including the women (Foxy Brown)  degrade women.  It
 doesn't bother me, 'cause whenever you  degrade someone else, you just
 prove how shallow and frightened you are.  I listen to a lot of
Hardtrance,
 Gabber, and some old death metal, which all have disgusting connotations,
 but it  doesn't matter because these guys aren't serious, just releasing
anger.  At least some of those famous(read infamous) rappers actually
believe that women are inferior and good for "dick-suck purposes only"  If
you buy albums of crap like Boby digital, then you are supporting the
problem.  It's like paying someone to piss on you(unless you like that
stuff......)

#4 If Moby is not into smacking bitches up, then why hang out even for a
 second with a pathetic prick like Axl Rose?  He was charged with beating
 his wife, in case you don't remember.

#5  "Bitch" means female dog, so maybe we should feel sorry for any dogs
 owned by the prodigy.

 #6  The word "Bitch" is widely used on males, also.  I've called my
friends
 bitches before(male and female)  in a jestly sort of way, and vice versa.
 Just about everyone I've ever met has called friends by names like that.
 If it offends you you're gonna have a very hard life.

Lighten up people!  What's in a name?

MO

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:22:21 -0800
From: "Kelbert" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) moby as pop culture

> I'd hate to see moby reduced to a pop culture icon.  in my opinion he is
not
> popular enough right now to be bastardized by the spice girl loving
public,
> and in a way I hope he doesn't.  Until the public matures enough to enjoy
> music on a higher level, may moby continue to be adorred by fans that
have
> the capacity to appreciate him.
>

Hmm... I'm not going to really comment on the ratm points brought up
before.  i like them.  and i think its cool that they stand up for
something aside from the almight dollar.  i could go on for hours
discussing the ethics and moral implications of writing socially aware
music.  yes, a lot of the people listen to rage are hypocrits.  but then
again, those are probably the people jumping on the bandwagon, only
listening to rage because their friends do.  but whatever.  this is a moby
list, not a ratm list.

anyway, i think i used the wrong term when describing my project.  its a
pop culture artifact and not icon.  like it or not, moby is pop culture.
pretty much everything is.  and what's so wrong with pop culture?  marilyn
manson.  coke.  james bond. ER.  what do all those have in common?  pop
culture!  give it another name if you want. alternative. folk culture.
underground.  its all still pop culture.  then again, i might have a
different definition of pop culture because i study it in skool.  or not.

another thing. who are we do say that the rest of the public can't enjoy
moby's music?  he creates music (or at least i HOPE he creates music)
because he loves it and he wants to share it with the world.  not a few
select people.  sure, moby will never score a top 40 hit unless he modifies
his sound like so many other artists have. but that's no reason to say only
a select few can listen to his music.  (this subject was already debated on
the orbital list so i think i'll avoid getting into it any further)

just because someone likes the spice girls, does that mean their taste in
music is horrible and they should never be allowed to walk out of a HMV
with anything other than bubblegum music?  hell... moby likes the spice
girls.  does that mean he sucks? i don't think so.

my point?  i don't know. maybe i don't have one.  maybe i'm going out on a
limb here. for all i know i'm the only one with these views.  but just
because we got into moby before the person down the street, does that give
us the right to dictate who can and can't buy his music.  sure, i get
annoyed when some stupid poser airhead gushes about how much they love one
of my fave bands... but hey, what am i going to do? rip the cd out of their
hands? i doubt it.

yadda yadda yadda...
to each his own.
these are just my thoughts.  no flame intended.  pop culture isn't as bad
as everyone makes it out to be.  peace.

- -kelly

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