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mobility-digest      Wednesday, February 3 1999      Volume 01 : Number 323



Re: (mobility) Demons & Horses
Re: (mobility) Your Ideal Videos/this stupid argument
Re: (mobility) thanks 2
(mobility) get Demons/Horses here:
(mobility) Greg Shipley
(mobility) videos
(mobility) Me???
Re: (mobility) Vegetarian split personalities
Re: (mobility) @@@@here's some reality for Tim.
Re: (mobility) @Off Topic? Don't read it
Re: (mobility) Me???
(mobility) videos / thoughts / trades
Re: (mobility) TO EVERYONE...POLITICS OVER!
Re: (mobility) videos / thoughts / trades

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:36:23 -0700
From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Demons & Horses

Anthony Colorez wrote:
> Okay, so does anyone know where I can buy demons & horses on-line??

First, try Mutebank (http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/bank/bank.htm).
If they don't have it, ask Steve Giles. :)

> is this worth tracking down? I've never heard it before.

Yes, it is.  Unless you hate repetitive acid techno that builds
into huge twenty-minute monster tracks.

> Why the hell is it called demons and horses anyway? Bye!

The first track is called "Demons".  Listen to it and you'll know
why.  It's an incredible, dark journey that builds to terrifying
intensity.  Best listened to loudly with headphones in the dark.

The second track, "Horses", is just a long stompy acid track.
I guess it may have been named for the hi-hat-type sounds that
gallop through the song.  IMHO this track is also cool.

- -=>  Dan Cerman  -=>  http://www.moby.org/
NP:  Underworld, "Born Slippy .NUXX (Darren Price Mix)"

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:48:29 -0700
From: Michaela Gerstner <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Your Ideal Videos/this stupid argument

daniel.. thanks for trying to start a new thread.

i'm sorry, but i don't need a history lesson of britain right now.  if
we don't get back onto proper topics soon, i'm gone.  i'm tired of this
stupid battle of "who's smarter" going on here... if i wanted to learn
about britain, i'd read about it in a history book.  if you want to
continue this argument, i suggest you start a new private thread solely
on this topic and stop boring everyone else to DEATH!

as for daniel's question:  i had one video idea for first cool hive.
whenever i listen to it, images from all over the world flash into my
head.  if mixed properly and timed, it would look awesome.  living in
the desert, i picture beautiful sunsets and everything.  i wish i could
describe it more, but i'm in a rush.
plov

Daniel Redmond wrote:
>
> A while ago, I was listening to Hymn (the version on EIW) and had a killer
> idea for a video for the song - a night star scape, with comets, satellites,
> the moon rising, etc. timed to swells in the music.  I'm curious - has
> anyone else been struck with these kind of ideas, i.e. this would make a
> good video?  if so, what would the video be?
>
> daniel
> in a rather pathetic attempt to start a new thread
>
> "but when they drag you, kicking and screaming from the scene you know, then
> it's time to leave" - LTJ

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:21:16 -0000
From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks 2

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Shipley <[e-mail]>
To: Moby (mobility) List <[e-mail]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: (mobility) thanks 2


>
>
>On Tue, 2 Feb 1999, Geoffrey Sproule wrote:
>
>> hello I finally got my track in the post for thanks 2
>> (I had Cdr trouble)
>> could you please email me if it is too late
>
>I'm confused - I got your submissions a while ago, no?  Do you have new
>ones - or are you saying that you mailed them via snail-mail, or....?
>
>In either case, no, its not too late!  Send away!
>
>Thanks,
>
>-Greg
>
>

no the thing i ftp-ed did not go through
so i snail mailed them
there are 2 tracks
one is reversed
use which one you prefer
let me know what you think

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:29:14 PST
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) get Demons/Horses here:

WARNING: Actual Moby message :WARNING

Geoffrey, it was you looking for "Demons/Horses", right? You're in
Ireland, so I have two UK dealers for you who have this.

The 12" (this place has the motherlode, check it out)
http://www.imvs.co.uk/

The CD single (4 pounds)
http://www.personal.u-net.com/~crac/

Coincidentally, my D/H 12" came in the mail today (NovaMute), along with
yet another UHF 12", this one being published on XL.

Mostly Useless Links: A comp w/ Honey & a profile screen for a
synthesizer Moby uses/used.

Ultra Techno 6
http://www.labels.tm.fr/sources/fiches/bacs/nov98/ultech/ultech.html

Synth museum
http://www.synthmuseum.com/serge/serge01.html

- -Steve

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:35:46 -0600
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (mobility) Greg Shipley

Greg,
    I sent you my tracks for Thanks II today (02-03-99)

         RT

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:45:07 -0000
From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) videos

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but what's to stop the list putting together a fan video thinggy

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:58:13 -0000
From: "Geoffrey Sproule" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Me???

>
>As for the universe of geoffrey's - you'll have to wait at
>least 2 weeks - so tough!
>
>Anarchy!
>
>TMB
>

does that refer to me?
How?

Geoffrey Sproule

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:21:32 -0600
From: "krwilson" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Vegetarian split personalities

Vegetarianism doesn't mean anything if you "break" it whenever you feel
like it.  For most, it is a moral decision based on an overwhelming amounts
of reasons.  If Martin Luther King Jr. had just decided to say "What the
hell, let's kill some honkies, just this once", We would have absolutely no
respect for him.  Integrity means sticking to  your (moral and ethical)
guns.  Straying away for awhile depletes the honesty of what you are doing.
 If you can actually force yourself to eat meat, maybe you just quit
because you don't want 45-55 pounds of undigested red meat in your bowels
by the age of 50.  Maybe you don't care about the suffering, etc.  But for
those of us who are vegetarian or vegan for moral reasons, it is not
possible to just bend the rules for a steak every once in awhile.  I have
been without meat in my body for over two and a half years(I'm 19) and have
had no problem staying away from meat.  I have talked to others and found
most of them have struggled against the desire for meat.  It's alot easier
to do if you inform yourself on the subject.  Actually go get a new book on
meat packing plants that isn't written by or paid for by the meat industry.
 There is a good one called "Dead meat"  that came out a few years ago.  I
don't remeber the author, but with the internet it's easy to find. If you
don't find yourself completely disgusted after that, you are a born
carnivore, and also a very self-centered person.  I am so disgusted by the
whole idea of eating something living's flesh that I can hardly look at raw
meat, so it's easy for me.  If you want to make it easy on you, look at
some pictures of meat factories.  You will wish you could erase part of
your memory so you would never have to see those images in your mind again.
 I am glad I can call up those images, because even though they cause me
pain, they reinforce my will with steel.  Who you are is what you do, and I
Don't Eat Meat!  For all of those out there who think no one else cares
about their struggle against animal products, I do. And many others also.
Don't ever give up hope.  Listen to a happy moby song or some bob marley,
and you'll be fine.

"I feel good about ME 'cause I haven't hurt ANYBODY ELSE"----Unknown

MO

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> From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (mobility) Vegetarian split personalities
> Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 10:17 PM
>
> >very well said chris!
> >I think you should be a history major...
> >Sure it's easy to argue the other side and find the tyranny, but I
> >never heard anyone point out the good points in such a simple clear
manner.
> >Perhaps all empires have a split personality- how can they not with
> >all the people that influence the agenda?
> >Sure- Moby does not eat meat or animal products....
> >but what about EVIL NINJA MOBY?
> >Hmmm....I don't know what a ninja's diet consists of, but I think
> >that if he were evil that perhaps that includes eating meat.
> >A Split personality can be very useful actually....how else can I be
> >a vegitarian and still eat prime rib a couple times a year?
> >
> >I'm working on that...
> >I have been meat free for over a month now!!! I actually went for it.
>
>
> First, thanks.  Second, I have been meat free for about 1 year and 3
months.
> However, I am not a total vegan.  Also, during the summer I went to New
> Orleans and broke my vegetarianism in order to partake in the local
cuisine.
> I wonder how many other vegans/vegetarians break their tradition and
under
> what circumstances.  I also broke it and had some good prime rib with my
> family this past christmas/newyears.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:06:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @@@@here's some reality for Tim.

I think you have misunderstood a lot of what I was saying
and took certain words out of context and I didn't make it
clear enough. I would love to respond, but right now is not
a good time, as I've got too much work to do!

I would just like to say that workers should be given a
fair wage, in many cases they are not and live below the
poverty line - because they have NO CHOICE. It's the only
job they can get in many cases. However, let's forget
lassez-faire for now. The fact is we have capitalism in its
present form and it is criminal and I could never morally
or ethically vote for governments that support it, THOUGH
THERE IS NOT MUCH CHOICE WITH THE CURRENT VOTING SYSTEM IN
THIS COUNTRY - we've got the best of a bad bunch - 'new
labour', or should I say 'new tories' in actual fact.

Many people still live in communitites today, but they are
rapidly being eroded away. Rural communities in this
country are dying and no they're not based on thuggery or
violence, but on a decent way of life, as are many in
India, Africa and Latin America. In many cases they are
forced to leave their homes and even murdered to make way
for 'progress'in these poor countries. There are many other
ways of making progress - long term investment and
controlled spending, rather than short term - quick profit
encouraged by capitalism which messes everything up. The
environment and animal welfare is sacrificed because of it,
as well as the heart and soul of humanity.

If I'm not mistaken, you said you were vegetarian? If so on
what grounds? If you are veggie because of cruelty to
animals then how can you side with a system that causes so
much suffering and destruction? Intensive and
factory farming is due to the demands and excesses of a
capitalist system. It is possible to feed separate
communities across entire continents on more extensive,
natural farming, especially if most people are vegetarian.


ECO-SOCIALISM is the future for the planet.

TMB.

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:06:55 +0000
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) @Off Topic? Don't read it

Personal attacks?   Tim is the only one on this list
with enough brains to at least respond in an intelligent manner.


I, for one wasn't trying to get personal just stating my opinion.
I'm sorry if you find it uninteligent but I am afraid I don't claim
to be a MENSA member or anything but I still think I am permitted my
own personal opinion.  I'm sorry if you misconstrued this as a
personal attack.  It certainly wasn't intended as such.

Ed

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:27:39 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Me???

No mate, not you! Sorry, just another misunderstanding.
We're referring to Captain Sensible.

Tim.

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:58:13 -0000 Geoffrey Sproule
<[e-mail]> wrote:

> >
> >As for the universe of geoffrey's - you'll have to wait at
> >least 2 weeks - so tough!
> >
> >Anarchy!
> >
> >TMB
> >
>
> does that refer to me?
> How?
>
> Geoffrey Sproule
>
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:31:37 PST
From: "Steve Giles" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) videos / thoughts / trades

Ideas for videos....

When I hear "God Moving Over The Face Of The Waters" I imagine stormy
seas under a dark gray sky. I see the waves crashing against each other
in slow motion, breaking. I'd use lots of nature photgraphy, mostly
stuff related to the elements of air and water. Calamitous, disastrous,
yet beautiful images. No humans or man-made structures would appear in
this video.

For "Time's Up (Dust Mix)" I'd highlight two different things, firstly,
I'd show some primitive tribal people banging on drums, making music,
and doing fire dances. On the other hand, I show a construction crew
building a skyscraper, alternating back and forth using both the tribal
drums and the hammer strikes on beat. I'm sure some of the jungle
footage can be used with the "Oh-o-oh-o-oh-o-oh" samples in the song.
The the evil acid riffs can be accomplanied by some stop-motion of the
sun's reflection twisting off the sides of the glass panels on the
skyscraper. (so the sun can move much faster than actual time) That's a
good start.

"UHF" would be easy. Take some footage of a rave, or club, and edit it
to highlight the darker, stranger, more intense fucked up side of
everything, visually, while the subterranean evil part is playing.
(maybe a dancer's silohuette with glow-sticks, red lights from above)
Then, during the escalating piano riff, (which eventually found a home
in the Next Is E remixes) I would highlight the lighter side. (perhaps
an outdoor party under the sun, people laughing together, smiling)

Regarding the history debates, I found them quite fascinating until the
messages fell into redundancy and one-upsmanship. I understand the @@@@
thing, but you have a conversation between 3-4 people. Yet you're
broadcasting it to 200+ subscribers who aren't here for that purpose. I
also resent the comment about about there only being one person smart
enough to reply to the subject. Besides intelligence there is A)
interest and B) appropriateness of topic to be considered by replyers,
too. Please don't insult the whole of the list that's not participating
in "Hardball goes History". Off-topic posting only becomes a problem
when it becomes the rule instead of the exception. We had a real good
string of great Moby messages going that just died suddenly. I'm trying
to be part of the solution by participating in Moby topics. I know the
interest is out there. Let's here from some more of you. Stop for two
minutes to consider what song, album, idea, or comment you might like to
post about. I'll join you.

How about something of a trader's post on mobility? Nobody's responded
to me constantly asking about this, (yet), but maybe if I put up some
items to trade with I'll get a better response.

For trade
UHF 12" (XL)
UHF 12" (Instinct)
(both have UHF, Everything, Protect Write, & Peace Head)

ATINITBL promo CD
(H.O.S. mix of ATINITBL, Shining, New Dawn Fades, & Into the Blue(s) Jon
Spencer Mix - no cover insert, just a sticker w/ EIW tour dates)


Wanted
CD:
Everything Is Wrong DJ Mix
Ambient
US Animal Rights
Story So Far

CD or Vinyl
Any Go singles
Moby's Michael Jackson mixes
Moby's Yello mix
Moby's Westbam mix
anything else

That should make for an easy start. I'm open to other offers, of course,
and requests.

- -Steve



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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:45:00 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) TO EVERYONE...POLITICS OVER!

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY TO EVERYONE THAT THERE WILL BE NO
MORE DISCUSSION ON THIS LIST FROM ME ON CAPITALISM,
SOCIALISM, HUMAN RIGHTS, ANIMAL RIGHTS, ENVIRONMENTAL
ISSUES, DOC MARTENS, ETC., OKAY!!? LET'S GET A SENSE OF
HUMOUR.

THIS IS DUE TO THE MAJORITY VIBE.

PEACE,

T.

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:51:31 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) videos / thoughts / trades

Very interesting...I guess i'm not the only one who noticed the natural
beauty of moby's instrumental tracks...seeing as three other people have
given "nature"-type video ideas. Here's one for Anima-
A lone black figure wandering through a deserted downtown setup, complete
with alleyways and various seedy establishment.  Or perhaps a lone car
driving down a highway at night.  I've always viewed Anima as a song of
lonliness, of trying to find something unfindable (hey, i'm making my own
words up again!).

just more of my thoughts...
daniel

"Remember when they looked through you and looked past me, we were the ones
they said would always leave..." - LTJ

>When I hear "God Moving Over The Face Of The Waters" I imagine stormy
>seas under a dark gray sky. I see the waves crashing against each other
>in slow motion, breaking. I'd use lots of nature photgraphy, mostly
>stuff related to the elements of air and water. Calamitous, disastrous,
>yet beautiful images. No humans or man-made structures would appear in
>this video.

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