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mobility-digest      Wednesday, November 18 1998      Volume 01 : Number 267



Re: (mobility) this oatmeal gettin lumpy
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #266
Re: (mobility) this oatmeal gettin lumpy
Re: (mobility) this oatmeal gettin lumpy
Re: (mobility) MTV
RE: (mobility) MTV
(mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #266
(mobility) vegan photography
(mobility) Something Totally Offtopic!
(mobility) (mobility)
(mobility) back to work

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 10:13:30 +0000
From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) this oatmeal gettin lumpy

andrew wrote:> You don't seem like a bad guy at all. disregard the
"loudmouth" term. I
> simply mean people that seem to have no problem speaking their minds (which
> is good actually).
>
> anybody know a fun, cheap, beautiful, good vacation spot in the western u.s?
> I think I need one.
>
> later.
> --andrew m.



but hey andrew........steve IS A LOUDMOUTH!!!!!!!!!

hahaha


but without that mouth we'd be shy all sorts of insights, opinions, and
valuable links to everything moby
and then some>

but you just can't call him one.........

whereas you CAN call me one
and i'd thank ya.


vacation in san diego if you need one bad and it sounds like it.
........(make reservations soon)

clay

> >

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Date: 18 Nov 1998 12:37:48 -0600
From: "April Kilduff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #266

                      RE>mobility-digest V1 #266                   11/18/98

 I am simply bothered that most of the bands I hear on
'alternative' radio are stale. They are quickselling cookiecut filler, in my
opinion. Somewhere during the last 3 years the filler became dominant andnow I
can't listen to the radio because I only hear something interesting every two
hours or so, if that.

you're right steve, i read an article the other day about how the consumption
habits of youth are changing. they don't buy bands, but rather songs - hence
the abundance of one-hit wonder groups. there's this attitude of "i already
have a (fill in band) cd, so why would i wan't another?" that's a pretty big
shift from just a few years ago. kind of sad that people aren't connecting as
much anymore.


andrew wrote:>
april is young, apparently.

that's a statement i find really interesting. what makes you say that? and
just how young?  :>

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 12:18:57 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Daniel Redmond)
Subject: Re: (mobility) this oatmeal gettin lumpy

>I am not an elitist. I am simply bothered that most of the bands I hear on
>'alternative' radio are stale. They are quickselling cookiecut filler, in my
>opinion. Somewhere during the last 3 years the filler became dominant and
>now I can't listen to the radio because I only hear something interesting
>every two hours or so, if that. I don't look down on my sister for liking
>Matchbox 20. I look down on radio for playing it 30 times a day, which
>crowds out other possibilites. I can't listen to the radio because this
>music is shoved down my throat. I am not an elitist. I am not the taste
>police. You may call me the variety police, if you wish.  :)
>
>C'mon radio people, stop it with the Everclear. After "Heroin Girl", they've
>put out the same single about 4 times with different lyrics and titles. Talk
>about monotonous music. I'd like to see some Britrock on US radio. I've been
>hearing wonderful things about bands like Pulp and Suede and others, but
>I've never heard them because our Alternative station hasn't played
>Everclear for a whole 45 minutes. Next they'll hit some Manson, cause it's
>naughty, and some Korn. I like their new song, but would've heard it 200
>times by now if I listened to radio. And that junkpop Smashmouth. I didn't
>like it from the start. Ok. But I literally heard it going on three stations
>at once. I couldn't escape. Maybe some dance radio. That'd be good. But not
>booty house and R&B. That's not what I meant, but that's all I can tune
>into. All this other stuff would be just as popular and profitable too if
>only they'd allow it some exposure. Regardless of my judgement on the
>quality there is no denying that music is shoved down the throat (or ear) of
>anybody who listens to their radio. Yes, I can turn it off, but what good is
>the radio then?
>-Steve Giles

Right on, Steve!  Radio here still hasn't gotten over "Walkin' on the Sun"
or "Fly" by Sugar Ray.  Perhaps what all us fed-up ex-radio listeners should
do is apply to the FCC for a broadcast license and set up a (possibly)
nationwide "alterna-alternative" (by this i mean new music that isn't
getting radio play otherwise, such as Moby, Pulp, Blur, Pilfers, LTJ, etc.)
radio station.  (Before i get flamed to a nice golden brown, let me explain-
I mean this in all sincerity.  Radio today sucks.)  Unless someone does
this, we'll just get more Smash Mouth, Everclear, Sugar Ray, and Eve 6.

btw, i actually have very few close friends and am very quiet in person,
despite my efforts to change this.

>>Enjoy the silence.
Cool quote.  I'm going to their show on Dec. 2

Random musings and general venting,
daniel

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:44:34 +0000 (GMT)
From: Tim Beecher <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) this oatmeal gettin lumpy

>
> Right on, Steve!  Radio here still hasn't gotten over "Walkin' on the Sun"
> or "Fly" by Sugar Ray.  Perhaps what all us fed-up ex-radio listeners should
> do is apply to the FCC for a broadcast license and set up a (possibly)
> nationwide "alterna-alternative" (by this i mean new music that isn't
> getting radio play otherwise, such as Moby, Pulp, Blur, Pilfers, LTJ, etc.)
> radio station.  (Before i get flamed to a nice golden brown, let me explain-
> I mean this in all sincerity.  Radio today sucks.)  Unless someone does
> this, we'll just get more Smash Mouth, Everclear, Sugar Ray, and Eve 6.

Most of the radio stations in the UK are awful too.
However, we had a very good 'indie' station: 'X'fm which
was started by good ole' Bob Smith and a few others to get
some decent alternative airplay. Unfortunately one can only
pick it up in the London area, where I no longer live (too
far North). My London friends tell me the station has now
been taken over by Capital, which is really bad news.
Capital is bloody awful. Why do good things always have to
come to an end!?

However, BBC radio 1 has your man John Peel, doing his Peel
sessions, Steve Lamacq, etc. so I do get to listen to some
decent radio waves, depending on the time of day.
>
> btw, i actually have very few close friends and am very quiet in person,
> despite my efforts to change this.

I believe a few close friends are much better than many
superficial ones.
>
> >>Enjoy the silence.
> Cool quote.  I'm going to their show on Dec. 2

Let me know what it's like, I've never seen them live in
person, though I've seen live shows on tv, etc. I saw
Bauhaus in Brixton Academy the weekend before last. They
was pretty damn out there! I've never seen so many goths
'dancing', especially when Dark Entries came on - there
were even a few Doc Martens in the air!
>
> Random musings and general venting,
> daniel

TMB
>
>

- ----------------------
Tim Beecher
Cranfield University
[e-mail]

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:17:57 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) MTV

> Date: Tue, 17 Nov 1998 23:20:51 +0100
> From: "Eagle" <[e-mail]>
> Subject: (mobility) MTV
>
> >
> > MTV is evil.
> >
> > -Kelly
> >
> >From your last couple of mails I get the impression that you have
something
> against MTV. Not knowing how the North American version of MTV compares
to
> MTV Europe it's difficult for me to gauge your opinion. However, the MTV
> Europe shows "Alternative Nation", "Party Zone" and "Chillout Zone" have
> probably introduced me to more Ambient/Electronic/Alternative artists
than
> by just reading music mags etc.
>
> Just my thoughts,
>
> Eagle
>
> NP _Moby_ (initial introduction to me courtesy of MTV)
>

The fact is, I don't like a lot of things.  Fake people, reckless drivers,
driving TESTS,
tests in general, the fact that i have to go grade 13, green peppers... the
list goes on and
on.  On my homepage I used to have a death list... which was a sarcastic
look at
everything that bothers me in some way or another.

but *gasp* the truth is out! I don't like MTV!  Well, I don't like much
music all that much
either (and don't get me started on much more music aka Elton John TV), but
I still watch
it if I want some mind numbing entertainment. (on a side note
much played "Hangin Tough" by New Kids on the Block on the weekened while I
was on
the phone with one of my friends and we spent almost 5 minutes laughing non
stop)

Anyway.  Back on topic.  Much Music I can deal with most of the time
because they actually
play MUSIC and because of the whole Canadian Content thing, they play a lot
of local bands too.
MTV, from what I've seen when I go visit my American friends, hardly ever
plays music.
Although I do remember a few years back I saw this really interesting
documentary on cults
and another on the seven deadly sins which much music NEVER would have
played.

I don't like this whole MTV culture thing that's going on.  The whole, "you
have to look this
way and dress like this and listen to this to be cool" and "this" changes
moment to moment.
But then, a lot of things geared towards a younger audience (i.e. not
adults) have that
attitude.  A guy I know had this whole thing against Dawson's Creek because
it
was next to brainwashing in his mind.  Things like BH 90210, Melrose Place,
Full House
*urg. must think of more mind numbing dramas laced with psudo-values*
Well, you get
the picture.  I think a lot of people are lazy in this generation.  They
want everything pre packaged
and ready to go.  No one wants to think anymore.  But that's just my spin
on things.
I'm forever being told I'm too old and that I should act my age.  So, can
anyone tell me
how a 17 year old gurl should be acting?

Wow... another rant by me... *ahem* I dislike MTV.  And that's that.  If
you like it,
right on.  Whatever makes you happy.  What will make me happy right now is
listening to some Tori and eating microwave popcorn, so i think i'll do
that now :)

- -Kelly

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:30:37 -0600
From: "Andrew J. Davies" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) MTV

> I'm forever being told I'm too old and that I should act my age.  So, can
> anyone tell me
> how a 17 year old gurl should be acting?
>
> Wow... another rant by me... *ahem* I dislike MTV.  And that's that.  If
> you like it,
> right on.  Whatever makes you happy.  What will make me happy right now is
> listening to some Tori and eating microwave popcorn, so i think i'll do
> that now :)
>
> -Kelly
>

ummmm....kelly, shouldn't you be in school?  just wondering....:)

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           Andrew J. Davies

        [e-mail]
         Platteville, WI 53818
            (608.342.2255)

       [e-mail]
          Horicon, WI 53032
            (920.386.2596)
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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:27:11 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #266

<the following post is waaaaaaaaaaaay off topic. you have been warned>

>Date: 18 Nov 1998 09:32:09 -0600
>From: "April Kilduff" <[e-mail]>
>Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #264
>
>                     RE>mobility-digest V1 #264                   11/18/98
>
> >Have you seen the new commercial for some quesadilla recipe, where it
> shows
> >two stereotypical teenage boys acting extremely stupid? They smell
'good'
> >food, think it's take-out night, and go to the kitchen where they tell
the
> >Mom how great she is, and that she should learn the recipe for the
> >quesadillas, when in fact she made them. They use words phrases like
"Way
> >cool, Mom!" & "Allright dude! Takeout night!" They reflect an America of
> >idiot kids and condoning moms in an attempt to identify with the viewer.
> >While they may succeed, I'm personally insulted by the way they show it
as
> >'OK' and 'normal' to be this way. Without saying or implying it, the
> >commercial embraces this message: Stupidity is the norm, your kids are
> >stupid, we at Acme food understand this, we understand each other, buy
our
> >product
>
> The problem is that many people (for reasons I can't personally
understand)
> buy into
> it, and do purchase these products.  The stereotyping in commercials
REALLY
> bugs me!
>

Blah.  Stereotypes suck.  And they're not just in commercials.
But, c'est la vie.  They I dunno... maybe I'm desenstized or
something, because I deal with them all the time.  For example, at skool
many
(and i mean MANY) people think I'm pure evil.  Why?  Hmm... because I like
the
colour black... I had dyed black hair for over a year... I listen to "dark"
music... and
some of my former friends were really into the whole "lets make everyone
think
we're satanists" thing.  My fave rumor about me was that i was a speed
freak, which i found
quite funny.  i dunno.  my sense of humor is pretty morbid.
I personally don't like people judging me, but it happens so
I say whatever and just let it slide.  To me, the biggest f*** you is being
happy
and moving on with your life and not letting the little things get you
down.
Man I can't wait till university *sigh*

>
> the people buying into ads such as these are not doing it because they
are
> stupid, they are doing it because the ad shows benefits for the soup -
> convenience/quality/flavor. stereotyping is bad, nobody will argue that,
but
> it is a part of mass modern society. tv isn't the place to talk to people
> one-on-one, so you have to talk in a way that a lot of people will relate
to,
> which leads to generic stereotypes. and you can only change as much as
the
> public will let you. the stereotypes will change, but it will be a slow
> process. the only way to speed it up is to speak up about it - write
letters,
> participate in those annoying market research phone calls and focus
groups,
> visit websites! no one will bother changing images if they don't know
there is
> anything wrong with the current ones.
>

Hmm... I agree... TV isn't a place to talk to people one on one.  Someone's
gotta
tell all these talkshow hosts that too...  By bringing on the lowest people
they
can find they try and make their audiences feel better about themselves,
while
at the same time reinforce the stereotype of a typical north american
person. *shudder*
I heard from a thread in alt.gothic.fashion the other day that Maury did a
make over
show and he made over goffs into "normal teens".  Is it me or is that just
wrong? I
view talk shows as the downfall of  america.  someone help us all.

> btw - degrassi rocks! is that show still on anywhere?
>
> adios,
> april.
>
degrassi is on every weekday on showcase here in southern ontario.  i've
seen all the junior high
and high episoides at least 3 times a piece so i'm normally watching kids
in the hall or ER instead,
but its nice to know that they're still on.  Degrassi: schools out was
horrid and be glad if
you've never seen it.  BTW, I'm still pissed at showcase for replacing my
so called life with
party of five *barf* that's just wrong.  I miss my daily dose of claire
danes *whimper* :(

- -Kelly

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 15:48:53 -0500
From: "D Bergstrom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) vegan photography

Okay.  This is stupid, but it's been bugging me for a few days.

Moby took some of the pictures used in the booklet for Animal Rights,
right?  But isn't photography a non-vegan activity?  With the use of
gelatin
in film, isn't that baaaad when it comes to veganism?
{Gelatin is made from the boiled bones, skins and tendons of
animals. }  Or does he use the vegan-friendly film avalible that's
avalible?
I'm curious, cause i'm an ex vegan turned lacto-vegetarian and the idea
of spending every day in the darkroom still bothers me because i avoid
gelatin
everywhere else in my day to day life, but I really don't know what to do
about it when it
comes to photography.  Photography is one of the things that i'm proud
to say that i'm damn good at, and considering i've been told i'm a natural
andi could persue it at a professional level,  (ego ego ego!!!)
its not something i want to give up.  Anyone know how moby got around this
mini crisis?

- -Kelly

(more details about what i'm talking about avalible here:
http://www.vsc.org/vegan-l.htm#14 on the vegan FAQ)

That's the difference between me and the rest of the world! Happiness isn't

good enough for me! I demand euphoria!  -Calvin and Hobbes

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:32:39 -0500
From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Something Totally Offtopic!

Anyone have any idea what kind of
keyboards Moby uses?



Keep it simple
eric

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:50:18 -0500
From: Steve Giles <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) (mobility)

Some cool stuff at eBay....

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=42156505
Moby Sub Pop single (SP377) 7" vinyl 45 rpm -> "That's When I Reach For My
Revolver/Whip It."
     Mint. Buyer pays shipping ($1.47 via USPS first class) and optional
insurance. All
     items are held until check clears. Thanks for bidding.

Currently at $2. 3 days left.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=41652655
THREE UK Import CDs by MOBY. 1) Feelin So Real - 4 tracks - 3 mixes of title
     track + New Dawn Fades, 2) Hymn.Alt.Quiet.Version - SEALED, & 3)
Everytime
     You Touch Me - 4 tracks, 3 versions of title track + The Blue Light of
Underwater
     Fun. ALL are EXC to Near Mint condition, and have small cut out mark to
case.
     Buyer pays post.

9 hours left in this auction. The US versions of ETYTM & FSR are better,
though. This lot of 3 currently at $12.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=42464834
from 1992 "DROP A BEAT" by MOBY. Promotional Copy white label in Mint
     Condition. 3 cuts ...Side A- DROP A BEAT 4:21, ELECTRICITY 3:29 Side
     B-DROP A BEAT (Deep Mix) 6:02. Buyer pays $3.00 for shipping.

good 12", currently at $5. 4 days left to bid.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=42297191
MOBY
hymn.alt.quiet.version
MUTE CD#LCDMUTE161
     CD Single in thin jewel case.
     Track: alt.hymn.quiet.version 33.3333333 minutes. UK Import CD
     Condition: I bought this new. Used CD. Perfect condition.
     Buyer pays $2.00 for USPS Shipping. I do not ship out of the USA
(problems
     with customs to other countries, etc).  thanks and good luck!

Currently at $7. 3 days left to bid.


Enjoy!
- -Steve

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Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 14:02:35 +0000
From: clay <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) back to work

april wrote:
> andrew wrote:>
> april is young, apparently.
>
> that's a statement i find really interesting. what makes you say that? and
> just how young?  :>
>
ACTUALLY>>>>>I wrote that
me ...clay

and i only say that as it means you aren't old
and tired of expressing yourself in regards to all that you don't like
in this world
be it music, clones, the industry, ties or whatever.

i'd say you were between 20 and 25?
a very good age to be....by the way.....
you have a nice name and....lemme guess....you're quite pretty?



WELLLLLLLL
anyway friends
i just got my call from the job and as the plumbers have finally broke
through and tied into the building
my job is no longer delayed so i'm gonna be back out at it my usual 6 to
6 and a 1/2 days a week.
so you won't see my silly posts 5 times a day again til january....maybe

but you know pops luvs ya all
and i just say keep luvin each other and let music guide the way.

and kelly wrote:
>  I
> view talk shows as the downfall of  america.  someone help us all.
>
{{{{yes.......but we've already downfallen and talk shows are the mirror
and they become the downfall and we become the mirror.  let us focus on
another reflection>>>>>>>>>}}}}}}


anyway

be good
phone home


clay


NP:

hardfloor: tb resuscitation

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