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mobility-digest        Thursday, June 18 1998        Volume 01 : Number 181



RE: (mobility) PAul's Pointless Poll
Re: (mobility) availability of CDs
RE: (mobility) PAul's Pointless Poll
Re: (mobility) Revolver
Re: (mobility) PAul's Pointless Poll
Re: (mobility) Revolver
(mobility) a question
Re: (mobility) a question
(mobility) paul's pointless poll
(mobility) Into The Blue (Junior Vasquez mixes) and Shining
Re: (mobility) PAul's Pointless Poll
Re: (mobility) Revolver
Re: (mobility) availability of CDs/Paul's poll
(mobility) Daniel's Shining Return
(mobility) Hall...Richard Hall
Re: (mobility) PAul's Pointless Poll

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:05:37 -0500
From: "Brad Caviness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) PAul's Pointless Poll

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Simpson
> What is your fave track on Animal Rights? UK or US version? including
> Little Idiot and remixes, bsides, etc.?
>
Hoo boy. Fave tracks off the UK version (which is vastly superior to the US
version) are definitely the singles, Revolver, Come On Baby and the UK only
My Love Will Never Die. Little Idiot is all one work to me. I can't pick a
favorite. Favorite remix has to be the unreleased "Synth Mix" of Revolver.
Pure Euro-Pop bliss. Fave Bsides: definitely Love Hole and Whip It (DMV).

Any other takers?

BSC

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:21:02 -0700
From: Rekkit <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) availability of CDs

At 03:37 PM 6/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
>what is the availablity of CDs in other areas of the nation? world?

Around here (metro Toronto area) there is virtually no interest.  I
may have mentioned this a while back, but it took us *6* months to sell
a Moby cd at HMV.  Since then we've sold 1 more.  That's it-techno,
experimental, genre-spanning stuff is quite popular in the area we're
located in; Moby just doesn't seem to move.  hehe, pun intended ;)

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:22:11 -0700
From: Rekkit <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (mobility) PAul's Pointless Poll

I'd say Living is my favorite AR track...although both versions of LSFMMom
are quite nice...

>My fave remix is the Rollo & Sister Bliss Vocal Mix of Revolver.

Good call-one of the best Moby tracks...

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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 22:24:53 -0700
From: Rekkit <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Revolver

At 06:06 PM 6/17/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I bought a "Revolver" single and was very disappointed.  It only has 4
>songs and is about 13 mins. long.

Which one?  Black or Orange?  I'm a big fan of both really-Sway on the
black covered disc & the Rollo & Sister Bliss mix on the orange one are
both great tracks...

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 21:46:00 -0700
From: Anthony Colorez <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) PAul's Pointless Poll

>  Fave Bsides: definitely Love Hole and Whip It

does anyone know if there is more than one version of love hole?
I think my favorite b side is the summer night mix of "into the
blue"(although this isn't from AR).
- -Anthony

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Date: Wed, 17 Jun 1998 22:05:03 -0500
From: Ade <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Revolver

>>I bought a "Revolver" single and was very disappointed.  It only has 4
>>songs and is about 13 mins. long.
>
>Which one?  Black or Orange?  I'm a big fan of both really-Sway on the
>black covered disc & the Rollo & Sister Bliss mix on the orange one are
>both great tracks...

Black.  The tracks aren't bad, it's just that it's a 13 minute CD.  I
didn't feel like it was worth the money.


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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 02:52:18 PDT
From: "Sid Chip" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) a question

hi everyone, new list member alert!!

i have a quick question which has had me puzzled for some time, maybe
someone could help.

2 days before the official release of 'into the blue' i managed to pick
up both cd's from a second hand store. they both had the correct
catalogue numbers on according to the postcard received from mute, and
they aren't promos. when i saw the official release two days later,
'shining' on the first cd i had had been replaced by the junior vasquez
mixes.

what happened here? shining is one of my favourite moby tracks, why did
moby/mute substitute it at the last minute?

much obliged

SC

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 03:07:50 -0700
From: "Dr. Killpatient" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) a question

Sid Chip wrote:
>
> hi everyone, new list member alert!!
>
> i have a quick question which has had me puzzled for some time, maybe
> someone could help.
>
> 2 days before the official release of 'into the blue' i managed to pick
> up both cd's from a second hand store. they both had the correct
> catalogue numbers on according to the postcard received from mute, and
> they aren't promos. when i saw the official release two days later,
> 'shining' on the first cd i had had been replaced by the junior vasquez
> mixes.
>
> what happened here? shining is one of my favourite moby tracks, why did
> moby/mute substitute it at the last minute?
>
> much obliged
>
> SC

I've never heard that song before...could I beg you for an mp3??
paul

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:36:24 -0400
From: michael boudreau <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) paul's pointless poll

i like the import and domestic versions of AR about equally, but my
favorite on the import is 'my love will never die', my favorite on the
domestic is a toss-up between 'say it's all mine' and 'alone'. 'every
one of my problems' is my favorite b-side, and i suppose the best remix
is the rollo and sister bliss vocal mix of 'revolver'.
also i do notice that more big-time record stores are carrying the
instinct cds (this is in massachusetts). for instance, at the store i
work at, we carry 'everything is wrong', 'move', 'animal rights', 'i
like to score', 'the end of everything' as well as 'ambient' and 'moby'.

i don't see too many stores carry 'early underground', though, which
seems odd.
that is all.
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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 09:06:26 -0600
From: Daniel Cerman <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Into The Blue (Junior Vasquez mixes) and Shining

[was Re: (mobility) a question]

Sid Chip wrote:
> 2 days before the official release of 'into the blue' i managed to pick
> up both cd's from a second hand store. they both had the correct
> catalogue numbers on according to the postcard received from mute, and
> they aren't promos. when i saw the official release two days later,
> 'shining' on the first cd i had had been replaced by the junior vasquez
> mixes.
>
> what happened here? shining is one of my favourite moby tracks, why did
> moby/mute substitute it at the last minute?

Here's how I understand it:  Junior Vasquez turned in his mixes kind
of late -- after the ITB singles were made.  The British chart system
imposes some unfortunate restrictions on how much music may be put on
a single, how many formats it may be released on, etc.  So I guess
that if the Junior Vasquez mixes were added to the singles, then ITB
would not be officially recognized as a single.

Mute came up with a good solution under the circumstances.  It took
the CDMute179 singles that were pressed (which included the track
"Shining") and designated them as for-export-only.  When I see an
ITB single here in the US, it is almost always CDMute179.  Then Mute
replaced "Shining" with two of the four Junior Vasquez mixes,
releasing CDMute179A in place of CDMute179.  All three ITB singles
were released (CDMute179, CDMute179A, LCDMute179), but the CDMute179s
just ended up somewhere else to avoid problems.

"Shining" was released the following month by Elektra on the _Disk_
ECD.  It had also appeared on the US _All That I Need Is To Be Loved_
promo CD, which is probably still easily obtainable from someone in
the rec.music.marketplace.cd newsgroup.

Daniel Cerman
http://www.moby.org/

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:57:46 PDT
From: "Robert Traylor" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) PAul's Pointless Poll

>hey mobydicts (i like that word :) I have another one of Paul's
>Pointless Polls coming up. okay here goes:
>
>What is your fave track on Animal Rights? UK or US version? including
>Little Idiot and remixes, bsides, etc.?

I'd have to say that my favorite is Heavy Flow.  It rocks.  Wish I could
understand more of the lyrics, though.

By the by, I've been off of here for a while, due to being
institutionalized (don't ask), and would just like to clarify a couple
of other things in one convenient post.

1)  If Milla Jovovich has an album coming out, I'm buying a copy and
putting it under my pillow at night.  The only person who finds her more
attractive than I do happens to be my wife, so that works out well.

2)  Yes, music should be labeled for convenience in my opinion, but that
doesn't mean the artist has to be.  I'm just saying that, yes,
Blockbuster (or whoever)should have their multiple musical divisions,
and whatever a certain CD fits into, it should be there.  If that's more
than one type, FINE!  Animal Rights could fit into Techno, and with a
stretch, into:
  rock
  heavy metal
  alternative
  industrial
  maybe some others.  The labeling of a certain CD doesn't mean that the
artist should feel restricted to perform solely in that one arena.

3)  Good music (like Moby) speaks to me through emotion.  I loved "Blue
Light of the Underwater Sun", because it spoke so eloquently (even if
the emotions were unhappy ones).  The song made you feel, it achieved
it's purpose.  If only all music could do that.

Feeling kind of retarded,
Bob

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:37:42 -0700
From: "michaela gerstner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) Revolver

i like the single (the orange one).. granted it's a little short, but
single's weren't really meant to be that long. i own shorter singles than
that (not moby, thoug).  is that the only reason why u were disappointed,
because of the length?
Plovious

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 15:34:56 -0700
From: "michaela gerstner" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (mobility) availability of CDs/Paul's poll

- -----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Michael Bourke <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 1998 1:38 PM
Subject: (mobility) availability of CDs
>what is the availablity of CDs in other areas of the nation? world?

well... i haven't had much of a problem out here in the southwest (AZ).
although, i did receive a shock.  when i first moved out here, i shopped at
Best Buy because i didn't know any other CD stores in Tucson (and living an
hr outside of Tucson didn't give me much of a chance to look around).  it
pissed me off that the only Moby CDs they had were a zillion copies of AR.
eventually, i learned about Zia Records, where i went big time Moby
shopping.  that's where i go now.  i went back to Best Buy a couple of weeks
ago to buy some computer stuff, and i glanced through the moby stuff and was
shocked to see that they had more than one kind!!!!  i bought the computer
disk CD there.  i haven't been there in a while, so i dunno if that was a
one time thing or not.  it just really shocked me.  so.. maybe things are
picking up at major stores like that.  anyways, that's my rambling on that.

Oh, and Paul, my answer to your poll is on the US version (the only version
i have) 1) Say It's All Mine & 2)Revolver.  hope that helps!  :) and i love
the Rollo & Sister Bliss Vocal Mix of Revolver.

Blessed Be,
Plovious

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:38:20 -0500
From: "Brad Caviness" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (mobility) Daniel's Shining Return

Daniel's Back! Daniel's Back!

Undoubtedly running with a much smoother system after several weeks offline.

Good to see you delurking around these parts again.

Did you get the stuff I sent you??

BSC

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 18:50:23 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Taylor)
Subject: (mobility) Hall...Richard Hall

First and formost...welcome to the list Caitlin..Always great to see new
members join this incredible list..Got a great collection started..keep it
up! :)

Now for my "review" of the JBT single(Aus. release):

First the packaging..Nothing tooo special..just a thin cardboard
package..Both sides have the trademark 007 gun barrel.

Now for the "remixes"..I always worry about remixes..sometimes you'll get
ones that sound pretty much like the original(usually not the case with the
better electronic artists)...then there's the ones that have bits and pieces
of the original..but the remixer adds their feeling into it...hopefully
making it better...or you have the case where the remix sounds NOTHING like
the original(Orb seems to love to do this)....Depending on how you feel
about that..it can be a good or bad thing...Now that you know how I feel...I
delve into the songs...

#1 Moby's Main Mix(3:23):  Not a new mix..it's taken right off ILTS...I love
Moby's treatment of it..has a hard edge to it..Love the "wakka wakka"
sound..Love the vid too(Evil Ninja Moby in effect?!)

#2 CJ Bolland's Dubbel Oh Heaven Mix(6:07):  First a low beat starts...15
seconds in a higher(snare?) drum joins in..then the "Bond..James Bond"
sample jumps in 12 seconds after that...cymbal @ 0:42..the song's slowly
building..at 55 seconds the "keyboards/sequencers" start in..building the
song faster and faster..starts to get a really good beat @ 1:20..then from
1:35 till about 2:30 it's a trance feeling..no hard beat..but you can't help
to move...gets quiet again for a few seconds around the 4 minute mark..but a
dark thumping soon gets you going again..And the beat doesn't let up till
the end..Nothing like the original..but a GREAT remix.(side note:  PICK UP
Cj's "Electronic Highway"..reminds me of Moby..a great mix of styles on one
cd(trance, dnb, etc)..some of it pretty minimal...every track feeling
beautiful).

#3 Danny Tenaglia's Twilo Mix(11:57):  I'm always worried about long
mixes...They can sometimes drag on too long(depending on the vein of elec.
music it is)..Not the case here..I'd place it along the lines of trance..a
little too rough to be in the heart of trance..but the song doesn't pick me
up enough to not be along side it.  During the whole song one will
constantly groove..but the beat never allows you go any faster..Has a dark
sinister beat..has both the 007 chorus(played by him)..the Goldfinger
dialogue...and the "B..JB" dialogue as well(tweaked a little)..It's probably
a great way to calm down from a fast hardcore song :).

#4 Moby's Extended Mix(5:50):  I'm always worried about extended
mixes...they rarely bring anything new to the song..it just stretches it
out...But this is Moby..starts out with drums..50 seconds in the "wakka
wakka"  dominates"...then Moby releases his bass on the 007 chorus..very
dark..very sinister..I love it :).  @ 1:27 it starts to feel like the
original somewhat...During the whole song he does incorporate bits and
pieces from the Main Mix..but he puts them in different order..leaves some
bits out.  I've always loved how Moby will stick a string or piano solo in
the middle of a song..and he does it here(fyi:  it's the string solo from
the original)..A great remix...feels like the original..but adds a few new
things to keep it from feeling too much like the original.

#5 Piet Blanc's Da Bomb Mix(7:50):  Piet wastes NO time in getting the beat
going..A great thump that you can't help to start moving your body to...Piet
uses the "B..JB" sample..Around 2 minutes it sounds like he uses the same
sound as the song Bounce(from the group Space Trax..if you have the
Technorave series..you'll know what I'm talking about)..Piet unleashes his
versions of the 007 chorus in this mix..Beat almost never lets up..you're
moving during the entire song.

#6 Danny Tenaglia's Acetate Dub(7:41):  Danny starts this one off with what
sounds like someone beating on big drums..continues for about 30 seconds..To
me it sounds like Danny like to show the evil/sinister side of the 007
song..Dark thumping beats..electronics around F?(whatever it the lower
sounding keys..sorry...I'm not a musician)..Uses the Goldfinger samples(cut
up) throughout...Another trance vein feeling song

#7 Grooverider's Jeep Mix(7:44):  Starts off very ambient..then the
Goldfinger sample comes in("Do you expect me to talk?")..It's getting louder
and louder("Do you expect me to talk?  No Mr. Bond...I expect you to
die")..Cymbals cut in...Then horns..then it turns into a dnb song..I'm not a
big fan of dnb(usually not too interesting to me)..But Groove keeps it mixed
up enough to keep me in the grooove :)...Turns ambient once again around 4
minutes..The Goldfinger samples comes in..Then Groove turns it up a
notch..Brings in funky sounding electronics(sounds much like AFX's
electronics...tweaked beats)

#8 Bonus Beats(2:01):  Not much here..Just the drums Moby used for the Main
and Extended mix

Overall..I'd SUGGEST picking this up..It does have the most tracks out of
all the JBT singles released world wide..A great mix of styles and
remixes...Worth picking up even if you do have to spend $10-12 for
it(luckily I got it for 4 :) )...One question though..has anyone heard the
LSG and Moby's Dance Remix..would it be worth picking up another single for
those remixes?

I hope I've helped people..I'm not a musician or a reviewer..so I'm not the
best at describing cd's...But I realize that not everyone has access to the
Australian release of JBT...Enjoy!

Ryan
np:  JBT single(had to go over each song)

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Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 19:10:20 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Ryan Taylor)
Subject: Re: (mobility) PAul's Pointless Poll

>What is your fave track on Animal Rights? UK or US version? including
>Little Idiot and remixes, bsides, etc.?
>
>Mine is "Someone To Love", 2nd place "Revolver". but of course, Little
>Idiot is beyond compare. that cd is just blazin'.

I hate favorite song polls for one reason...It all depends on my mood at the
time..One minute it'll be Moby's hardcore songs..next it'll be his ambient
themes..Anyways..I have the UK version..My fav "hard" songs on AR are:
Soft(A great title and misleading at the same time)..I love Moby's power in
this one..then at the turn of a had..goes....Soft :)...And Revolver(still
want to hear the original though)..The "soft" songs on AR?  Living(A
beautiful track..could almost bring tears to one's eyes)..And Love Song(I
bet Mrs. Hall loves this track..simple..but VERY beautiful)..As for LI..as
Paul pointed out..How can you pick?..Even though a few sound like earlier
tracks..Every track is Moby at his best..I realize a few of you might not
like punk..but I'd seriously think about putting down $20 for LI...Check it
out somehow..and think long and hard :).

Ryan
np:  The Judgement Day:  The Mayday Compilation Vol.3(has another great Moby
track(Ui He Fu))

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