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From: GRIFFINA@acc.jbu.edu Subject: (mobility) A hump like a snow hill Date: 26 Dec 1997 14:53:32 GMT-5 I think Moby's musical transition (albeit unusual) is great! Artists with such diverse talents like Moby are few and far between indeed. Plus his personal/political views are sincere in a world full of Bush and Marilyn Manson. To be quite honest I was never a big techno fan, but I did enjoy EIW. A lot of facts from the CD insert on EIW were used in a 'zine here on my college campus. Now with "Animal Rights" we're treated to something fresh. I'm planning on reviewing it in an upcoming issue of our campus student newspaper. When I finish it I'll post the review on the list. Cheers, Andrew West Griffin "She's dead. . . wrapped in plastic" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GRIFFINA@acc.jbu.edu Subject: (mobility) Forwarded: Vegetarian views at Christian unive Date: 27 Dec 1997 16:51:57 GMT-5 -------------- Forwarded Message Follows -------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VylntlyHpy <VylntlyHpy@aol.com> Subject: (mobility) Re: mobility-digest V1 #52 Date: 23 Dec 1997 13:03:14 EST hey out there, i'm new to the list and i'm not very familiar with all of moby's stuff, but i have enjoyed it for the past 4 years (i was about 11). i had the chance on december 12 to see moby, juno reactor and faithless and then *meet* moby. it was the best night of my short life. i really love all types of (sorry, for lack of a better word) electronica, but i don't really know which is which. could someone give examples of pretty well known groups and the genre they are? like jungle, house, drum n bass, happy hardcore, trip hop...er whatever. also, a friend gave me a tape he made with vitamin d and uncontrolle written on it... do these sound familiar to anyone? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gessycah ray" <porcelinaocean@hotmail.com> Subject: (mobility) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 23 Dec 1997 13:37:53 PST Name- porcelina Gender- F Age- 16 Moby cd- animal rights first heard Moby- this summer at a concert. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theShackofXaq <zbentz@d.umn.edu> Subject: Re: (mobility) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 23 Dec 1997 20:52:27 -0600 (CST) On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, gessycah ray wrote: > Name- porcelina interesting... > Gender- F i'm a Z. > Moby cd- animal rights UK version or US? does it have the extra "little idiot" cd? just wondering 'cause "animal rights" is a moby cd like none other he has done. > first heard Moby- this summer at a concert. > which? where? -xaq- "People have power not only depending on how much they know, but also what they are prepared to find out!" alec empire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theShackofXaq <zbentz@d.umn.edu> Subject: Re: (mobility) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 23 Dec 1997 20:52:27 -0600 (CST) On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, gessycah ray wrote: > Name- porcelina interesting... > Gender- F i'm a Z. > Moby cd- animal rights UK version or US? does it have the extra "little idiot" cd? just wondering 'cause "animal rights" is a moby cd like none other he has done. > first heard Moby- this summer at a concert. > which? where? -xaq- "People have power not only depending on how much they know, but also what they are prepared to find out!" alec empire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Little Drummer Boy <rfairbai@mbhs.edu> Subject: (mobility) new member Date: 24 Dec 1997 00:37:23 -0500 (EST) I am a new member of this mailing list and have elected to divulge all of my private information to all f the unknown people out there because anyone on a moby mailing list cannot be bad. Name: Rob Fairbairn Age: 18 Favorite Moby CD: Everything is wrong, Mixed and Remixed (the 2cd set) First Heard of Moby: Friends, radio show (WHFS, washington, DC) Other Bands: NIN, Juno Reactor, DJ Keoki, The Cure, Depeche Mode..I could go on but I'll spare you all. Other Comments: Recently saw moby for the first time at 9:30 club in DC, great show, incredible performer...never seen so much energy in my life. "Little Drummer Boy" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Little Drummer Boy <rfairbai@mbhs.edu> Subject: (mobility) Tommorrow Never Dies Date: 24 Dec 1997 00:39:25 -0500 (EST) I was just wondering...am i the only one who noticed the suspicious absence of the moby Bond theme in the actual movie? I even waited through the entire set of credits, but never once heard any part of moby's masterpiece...was it really not there, or did I just miss it? "Little Drummer Boy" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theShackofXaq <zbentz@d.umn.edu> Subject: Re: (mobility) Tommorrow Never Dies Date: 24 Dec 1997 10:17:29 -0600 (CST) On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, Little Drummer Boy wrote: > I was just wondering...am i the only one who noticed the suspicious > absence of the moby Bond theme in the actual movie? I even waited through > the entire set of credits, but never once heard any part of moby's > masterpiece...was it really not there, or did I just miss it? oh yeah, i forgot to mention that. i was also waiting to hear it. they played that damned sheril crow song, but not moby! why exactly did he do the song? is it on some other james bond compilation, or is it just a totally unrelated single? -xaq- "People have power not only depending on how much they know, but also what they are prepared to find out!" alec empire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano <kobalt@james.encomix.es> Subject: Re: (mobility) Tommorrow Never Dies Date: 24 Dec 1997 17:39:57 +0100 On Wed, Dec 24, 1997 at 12:39:25AM -0500, Little Drummer Boy wrote: > I was just wondering...am i the only one who noticed the suspicious Oops, I havent seen the movie (yet?), but thought at least it'd be as closing theme... And almost the only song that has been marketed with the film is the original JB Theme, or Crow's one... What a pity... They dont know what is real good... > absence of the moby Bond theme in the actual movie? Jonathan. -- 512/781AF549 1997/11/26 Jonathan Ruano (low-sec) <kobalt@james.encomix.es> Key fingerprint = 7A 87 8E 82 50 82 1D 19 CD BE 3E 20 FA 80 6F 8F For more bits, browse http://www.encomix.es/users/jonah/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MOBY child <MOBYchild@aol.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Tommorrow Never Dies Date: 24 Dec 1997 11:50:57 EST In a message dated 97-12-24 11:31:29 EST, someone wrote... > oh yeah, i forgot to mention that. i was also waiting to hear it. they > played that damned sheril crow song, but not moby! why exactly did he do > the song? is it on some other james bond compilation, or is it just a > totally unrelated single? yup...ya hit the nail right on the head. the Moby song was not in Tomorrow Never Dies. it is, however, on the soundtrack for said movie. also, as we all know, its on I Like To Score. on a somewhat related issue, Vh1 was showing a James Bond Song countdown of sorts, and i missed the first 10 minutes of it. did anyone notice if the moby video was played. i know they played it when they were going to commercial, i just didnt know if they showed the whole thing. (i'm really anxiosus to get that video on tape with the rest of my moby videos). anyway, merry x-mas or happy hanukkah. gosh, i hope i spelled hanukkah right... ~L~ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: but not _the_ frankz <frank.z@wxs.nl> Subject: Re: (mobility) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 24 Dec 1997 11:10:09 -0700 At 08:52 PM 12/23/97 -0600, you wrote: >On Tue, 23 Dec 1997, gessycah ray wrote: >> Name- porcelina > >interesting... > >> Gender- F > >i'm a Z. sorry, but I'm a dummo. what is a Z.? (to me it's Zappa-freak) _____________________________________ "Internet: your bright sight of life" - Kees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theShackofXaq <zbentz@d.umn.edu> Subject: Re: (mobility) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 24 Dec 1997 16:51:23 -0600 (CST) On Wed, 24 Dec 1997, but not _the_ frankz wrote: > >> Name- porcelina > > > >interesting... > > > >> Gender- F > > > >i'm a Z. > > sorry, but I'm a dummo. what is a Z.? > (to me it's Zappa-freak) oh, maybe i should have said "i'm an X," but i thought that was too much like a pepsi advert. my name is zac, or xaq, hence the Z. i know this doesn't really make sense, sorry, i'm tired. -xaq- "People have power not only depending on how much they know, but also what they are prepared to find out!" alec empire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "gessycah ray" <porcelinaocean@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 24 Dec 1997 17:36:34 PST wednesday dec 24, 1997 >> Moby cd- animal rights >UK version or US? does it have the extra "little idiot" cd? just >wondering 'cause "animal rights" is a moby cd like none other he has done. no it doesn't have "little idiot"cd, and its the US version >> first heard Moby- this summer at a concert. > >which? where? it was at buzz fest 97. i was standing beside him and didn't even know it tell he left and one of my friends told me. ~porcelina~ l ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Forsyth <keith@winslow.net66.net> Subject: Re: (mobility) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 25 Dec 1997 01:10:07 -0600 (CST) Can the person who postd the link to the article on the Sex Pistols repost it tome. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith Forsyth <keith@winslow.net66.net> Subject: Re: (mobility) Content-Type: text/plain Date: 25 Dec 1997 01:10:07 -0600 (CST) Can the person who postd the link to the article on the Sex Pistols repost it tome. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: but not _the_ frankz <frank.z@wxs.nl> Subject: Re: (mobility) Tommorrow Never Dies Date: 25 Dec 1997 02:44:53 -0700 At 11:50 AM 12/24/97 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-12-24 11:31:29 EST, someone wrote... > >> oh yeah, i forgot to mention that. i was also waiting to hear it. they >> played that damned sheril crow song, but not moby! why exactly did he do >> the song? is it on some other james bond compilation, or is it just a >> totally unrelated single? > i didn't see the movie (is it good?) i only saw a sort of promo-docu on tv, which contained the Theme I thought, but now you noticed this..., i start to doubt that it still was that Heineken commercial.... *chips!* (I don't even LIKE beer!) [for yo newcomers:] Happy Holidays, and don't think this List is death, ...it's only sleeping... wait till all them backpacks return! :-) some-one gave me 4 live-songs from A.R. from a concert, it is Enormous! Face It, live with a strong guitarsolo! Love it! keep up the good work! Kees _____________________________________ "Internet: your bright sight of life" - Kees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott Stegenga <steg@ix.netcom.com> Subject: (mobility) Moby and Tomorrow Never Dies Date: 22 Dec 1997 10:49:07 -0600 Hopefully this comes through...my last 3 posts have bounced back to me, this really sucks. I saw "Tomorrow Never Dies" yesterday since I'm a very big James Bond fanatic (I own several paperback books, soundtracks on vinyl, posters, and all the available videos in widescreen). Just for your information, his version of the theme does not appear in the film at all. But by all means, don't let that be a reason to not see the film. My guess is they asked him to do the re-work of the theme to sell the soundtrack and add some modern hype to the already 35-year old theme. Doesn't suprise me, but the soundtrack used in the film is still good, but not as good as Eric Serra's work in Goldeneye. Serra is a modern soundtrack genius. Watch any Luc Besson film and you'll see. Brosnan is just as good anyway...and to get personal, my mom thinks he's cute. My dad and I freaked when she said this. Which Bond character could Moby pull-off just for kicks? I could see him as a Dr. No (gotta love that Nehru Jacket from back then) or as one of the Mr. Kidd/Mr. Wint guys from Diamonds are Forever (those two affeminate guys who look like John Fogerty and David Crosby). Maybe he could be cast as a "remote CIA agent" who helps Bond in some area of the US for a few scenes. Like some underground agent in Chicago or NYC. Scott Steg...I Love Carrots ----- "Kneel Before Zod!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Jake Murdock" <rockmanrock@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Tommorrow Never Dies Date: 25 Dec 1997 20:33:31 PST I was also waiting to see (well hear) Moby's bond theme at Tommorow Never Dies...but it was not on. But the movie was very good. I'd never seen a Bond movie before and I really liked the movie. Best Action flick I have seen in a few years. Happy Holidays All! Jake ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SkErLNiKee <SkErLNiKee@aol.com> Subject: (mobility) Moby and homosexuals.......... Date: 25 Dec 1997 23:48:15 EST I know lots of people who listen to Moby that are gay. Since Moby has such a large homosexual following...do you think he might be gay? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jason(INRI)" <rwparen@cyberus.ca> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and homosexuals.......... Date: 26 Dec 1997 00:38:39 -0500 no, he's too christian. it's against the great laws of the master religion to deviate from the norm. p.s. i'm not gay. in fact, i'm a fucking homophobe. i just can't understand christians, despite many years of trying. -----Original Message----- >I know lots of people who listen to Moby that are gay. Since Moby has such a >large homosexual following...do you think he might be gay? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: damian <damian@xmission.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and homosexuals.......... Date: 26 Dec 1997 00:42:48 -0800 jason(INRI) wrote: > > no, he's too christian. it's against the great laws of the master religion > to deviate from the norm. > > p.s. i'm not gay. in fact, i'm a fucking homophobe. i just can't understand > christians, despite many years of trying. Actually Moby has always been very supportive of homosexuals and continues to be. I can't really speak for Moby per say but it's possible that he is trying to love everybody despite the "so-called" sin. I have no idea where the saying came from but hasn't it often been said... love the person, not the sin (or something like that). Shouldn't it be obvious by now that Moby follows his heart not any organized religion. You should read his essays... they speak for themselves. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: but not _the_ frankz <frank.z@wxs.nl> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and homosexuals.......... Date: 26 Dec 1997 00:44:45 -0700 At 11:48 PM 12/25/97 EST, you wrote: >I know lots of people who listen to Moby that are gay. Since Moby has such a >large homosexual following...do you think he might be gay? > > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Man, you better watch out with these remarks, because if them true.... then you'll get a LOT of mail! Techno Cock... 'cocky cocky cokcy' <--- Lee Perry! If there's ONE thing I'm sure of, Lee Perry is NOT gay... rest is all speculation! k. _____________________________________ "Internet: your bright sight of life" - Kees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Brad Caviness" <bigwig@arkansas.net> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and homosexuals.......... Date: 26 Dec 1997 16:04:00 -0600 -----Original Message----- >Actually Moby has always been very supportive of homosexuals and >continues to be. I can't really speak for Moby per. > Someone actually asked him about his orientation in the Sonicnet chat that he participated in a couple of weeks ago. He said he wasn't gay, he "likes the ladies too much." Helpful? BSC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Rekkit" <rekkit@spectranet.ca> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and homosexuals.......... Date: 20 Dec 1997 05:10:59 -0800 >Someone actually asked him about his orientation in the Sonicnet chat that >he participated in a couple of weeks ago. He said he wasn't gay, he "likes >the ladies too much." I think it was an appearance in Details last year, but somewhere in the article they asked about his purported anal-sex fetish. He explained it quite logically & (in my mind) dispelled any chance of him being gay... Death In Vegas: The Unofficial Page: http://www.spectranet.ca/~rekkit/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SkErLNiKee <SkErLNiKee@aol.com> Subject: (mobility) Moby Web Page? Date: 27 Dec 1997 12:22:45 EST Does anyone have any links or know any addresses to web sites that contain information about Moby? Could you please send them to me. Thanks <diana> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Eric M. Goldberg" <gold@netrox.net> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby Web Page? Date: 27 Dec 1997 13:07:47 -0500 (EST) The Ultimate Moby Page http://www.moby.org On Sat, 27 Dec 1997, SkErLNiKee wrote: > Does anyone have any links or know any addresses to web sites that contain > information about Moby? Could you please send them to me. > Thanks > <diana> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano <kobalt@james.encomix.es> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and homosexuals.......... Date: 27 Dec 1997 15:36:41 +0100 On Fri, Dec 26, 1997 at 12:38:39AM -0500, jason(INRI) wrote: > no, he's too christian. it's against the great laws of the master religion > to deviate from the norm. One thing I got from what he says (and made me think about my personal beliefs), is that he's christian, but doesnt follow what mundane authorities say about religion. I mean, he's not catholic, ortodoxe or so. Jonathan. -- 512/781AF549 1997/11/26 Jonathan Ruano (low-sec) <kobalt@james.encomix.es> Key fingerprint = 7A 87 8E 82 50 82 1D 19 CD BE 3E 20 FA 80 6F 8F For more bits, browse http://www.encomix.es/users/jonah/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jonathan Ruano <kobalt@james.encomix.es> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and homosexuals.......... Date: 27 Dec 1997 15:37:05 +0100 On Thu, Dec 25, 1997 at 11:48:15PM -0500, SkErLNiKee wrote: > I know lots of people who listen to Moby that are gay. > Since Moby has such a large homosexual following... > do you think he might be gay? I dont think one thing implies the other. If I'm gay, and I like a musician, it doesnt mean that there's a little more chance for him/her to be gay. The same for an hetero. But, to tell the truth, I was wondering about that (if he Moby was gay) some time ago. Jonathan. P.D.: Well, I dont consider myself gay, but when I like a person, the fact that is a guy or a girl is not the main question. This is Moby mailing list, I hope this not to be a big off-topic O:-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeremy Laabs <jlaabs@concentric.net> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby Web Page? Date: 27 Dec 1997 14:50:25 -0800 SkErLNiKee wrote: > > Does anyone have any links or know any addresses to web sites that contain > information about Moby? Could you please send them to me. > Thanks > <diana> http://www.moby.org/ http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/moby/moby.htm http://www.xmission.com/~damian/moby.html Here are some of my favorites. Enjoy. -Jeremy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Samu Heinonen <samuhei@dlc.fi> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby Web Page? Date: 28 Dec 1997 10:44:13 +0200 (EET) On Saturday, December 27, 1997 14:50:25 you wrote: > >SkErLNiKee wrote: >> >> Does anyone have any links or know any addresses to web sites that contain >> information about Moby? Could you please send them to me. >> Thanks >> <diana> > >http://www.moby.org/ > >http://www.mutelibtech.com/mute/moby/moby.htm > >http://www.xmission.com/~damian/moby.html > >Here are some of my favorites. Enjoy. > > -Jeremy > > and dont forget my moby page at http://www.dlc.fi/~samuhei/moby/ enjoy! |********************************| | Samu Heinonen (samuhei@dlc.fi) | | www.dlc.fi/~samuhei | | -Coffee is poison (-Moby) | |********************************| ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SkErLNiKee <SkErLNiKee@aol.com> Subject: (mobility) Moby Pics? Date: 28 Dec 1997 08:57:00 EST Thanks for all the cool Moby links, I really enjoyed them. If anybody has any cool pics of Moby...could you send them t me? I dont have any :-( Thanks again <diana> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "subvulture" <delobbo@geocities.com> Subject: (mobility) speed metal Date: 29 Dec 1997 21:20:49 -0600 I forgot to mention anything at all about the impressive "show-and-tell"-style guitar-solo Moby did for us at the Chicago show (I assume he did it everywhere?) Now forgive me, I knew Moby was a decent guitar player, but I didn't know that he was THAT good!! Certainly he would have impressed the likes of Marty Friedman (Megadeth) or Hetfield/Hammett (Metallica). I would surely like to know how many of these other electronic/whatever artists could possibly play guitar like that. Anybody know? I would be surprised if any other dance person heck even alternative band's guitarist could do that. Now, people would probably be quick to say, "errchhhhh, that's that speed metal, quick death metal stuff... It's total crap and unlistenable, and I just don't get into that stuff." WRONG, I don't think so buddy! Not so fast buddy!! That is not the dispute here. COULD you play like that if, GOD FORBID, you WANTED to?? Anywhays, I'm not sure where I'm going with this... I am sure that Moby is an awesome musician all-around, and I would easily vote him as one of the most talented people on Earth. Who else would I include, you ask? Robert Smith, Martin Gore, Vince Clarke, Dave Mustaine, Trent Reznor, Bon Harris, Bono, Marilyn Manson (please listen to all his stuff, not just one song, before you make judgments about this totally misunderstood artist), Al Jourgensen, and I think I would throw in Chris Lowe and Neil Tennant. Now, all you have to do is match those names the names you see below! Rubin aka Ruiner aka delobbo || R| New Erasure Remix .MP3's: http://xoom.com/delobbo/cowboyrx.htm || P| 242.cure.depeche_MODE.erasure.megadeth.moby.|\|||/|.nitzer_ebb.U2. || D| alice_in_chains.marilyn_manson.ministry.new_order.pet_shop_boys. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: but not _the_ frankz <frank.z@wxs.nl> Subject: Re: (mobility) speed metal Date: 30 Dec 1997 02:31:02 -0700 At 09:20 PM 12/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >Now forgive me, I knew Moby was a decent >guitar player, but I didn't know that he was THAT good!! Certainly he would >have impressed the likes of Marty Friedman (Megadeth) or Hetfield/Hammett >(Metallica). I would surely like to know how many of these other >electronic/whatever artists could possibly play guitar like that. Anybody >know? I would be surprised if any other dance person heck even alternative >band's guitarist could do that. I know, I know.... :-) I'm not a speed metal freak (I dig Ministry), but I listen to guitars since I was 15.... (that is sure a long song ago!) I have theory: You cannot possibly play a good guitar-solo on a synthesizer (comp.) so, electronic artists start to perform with a comp. & a guitar.... (this is where Rock meets Electronics) Now, fans, or listeners in general, get confused.... (because they all like to put it in a Class, class-sorting, is what gives people certainty, class sorting i.e. "this is rock, that is electronica"; is one of the first things you learn in life, and prob one of the things you have to do the most....) Like the style of guitar Moby plays in New Dawn Fades (I didn't know Joy Division was speed metal, well, never mind....:-) that's the old seventies hard rock style, as played by SO MANY guitarists (lot of 'm dead) hardly possible to mention all of 'm (yo know how many Gibsons there are sold?.... hehe :-)) Moby said in an interview his favorite guitarist was Tom Verlaine (ex-Television) a pure 80's guitarist i'd say... he has a live-album out together with Chris Spedding ('cocaine') who plays even better I guess! [there's an absurdly good number on that album, about him killing his girlfriend and feeding her to her own mother....yahk!... the guitar in that number is AWESOME...] [I would call it 'apres-Punk'] If you wanna hear GUITAR, go to a cd-shop and try out Frank Zappa's cd with that name! other great guitar-player is Prince, the OLD one, the one that LIVED, the one that rocked... (the Purple Haze guy...) First time I heard Animal Rights.... (don't shoot!!!) it reminded me of David Bowie! The OLD one.... the one from Ziggy Stardust ("time takes a cigaret.... and puts it in your mouth...") Listen to THAT guitar! (not Bowie himself if I remember correctly, if i'm not wrong it was a guy called Campbell or so... probably dead too) Electric guitar-playing was invented by the Ol' Bo Diddley ('I'm a man') on a WOODEN square BOX with snares he played the first (blues-)rock guitarsolo's ever played... he's the guy they ALL learned it from... No! Everybody shouts! ROBERT JOHNSON! He was the first.... but folks, that is SO long ago.... even before I had ears! There is this box though, The Collected Recordings of Robert Johnson.... i think every guitarfreak should hear that! forgive me, if i've let myself go, but when it comes to guitars, i consider myself a specialist (new cassette-deck is coming soon! so keep in touch!) Frank Zappa: "When it comes to guitarplaying, in fact, I'm a ONE NOTE player.... " and I immediately added: "...yeah, but that ONE note, he plays SO goooood....!" keesz _____________________________________ "Internet: your bright sight of life" - Kees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joe Clark <joeclark@interlog.com> Subject: (mobility) Moby and homosexualists Date: 30 Dec 1997 00:43:05 -0500 As an avowed homosexualist writer who has covered Moby twice and spent a few hours with him, maybe I could set the matter straight, as it were. These stories are posted on my Web site. I'm giving you the whole shebang here, not all of it being Mobyesque. -- <http://www.interlog.com/~joeclark/QiYE46.html> Mike Watt es mas macho! by [1]Joe Clark I apologize for starting off with an obscure Amerikanski TV reference, but does anyone recall the old Saturday Night Live sketch (later heisted by Laurie Anderson in Home of the Brave) parodying a Spanish-language game show? The whole sketch was such a non-sequitur it oozed a kind of abstract recherche charm, with Bill Murray as quizmaster asking, "Quien es mas macho, Lloyd Bridges o Jack Lloyd?" The answer back then was, of course, Lloyd Bridges (far more macho than Mr. Hawaii Five-O, who had Danno do all the manhandling). Now I wonder if maybe Mike Watt es mas macho-- or is at least a bigger, more charming, even more recherche non-sequitur. This Watt guy must be one powerful bearded hunk o' flesh to get away with an album of such surpassing eccentricity, such intricate packaging, and such megastar guest performers as Ball-hog or Tugboat? Watt is a hero among punk- and garage-rock queens, having written songs for and plucked various guitar strings in the Minutemen and Firehose. Indeed, careful study of the liner notes of Firehose's 1991 opus Flyin' the Flannel, with its comic strips and run-on lowercase text, gives clues to the gloriously overwrought design extravaganza that is Ball-hog or Tugboat?'s package. It's a mustard-yellow folder twice the height of a CD with three disc-sized pockets bound inside. One holds the actual disc. The second contains Ring Spiel '95, an engrossing, bizarre made-up lexicon ("corporate pawn: obvious palooka"; "one-on-one tug-o-war: solo record"). The last pocket holds a poster of album credits, one side of which is meant to look like a broadsheet for an 18th-century Mike Watt Wrestling Federation match. The inside front cover sticks with this theme, showing an apparently headless comic-book guy with his neck butted up against another fellow's privates and the headline "Sex with you is like watching scientific wrestling." Weird enough for you yet? But wait, there's more. (This is a music column, remember? Sometimes I forget.) The album is a puzzling pastiche of styles (blues rock, tuneless guitar meandering, mumbled pseudo-ballads) with largely nonsensical lyrics spewed by guest vocalists like tattooed egocentric carnivore Hank Rollins, overrated angst-rock poster boy Eddie Vedder (monotonously reciting the words "The kids of today should defend themselves against the '70s," a fancy way of saying "disco sucks"), underrated soul crooner Mark Lanegan, and bald-pated hovercraft-piloting oddity Frank Black. (What, Watt? No Traci Lords?) If musicians are more your bag than singers, you'll find a similarly rich coterie of alterna-rock gods here too. Si, Mike Watt es mas macho. I admit it. But can someone tell me why "Intense Song for Madonna to Sing" has no words to sing at all? _____________________________________________________________________ Not quite "everything" Meanwhile, in another part of the forest, dance(hall)/techno/punk/ambient/rave impresario Moby has been driving Little Miss Queer in Your Ear here's fabulometers to the redline with his welcome combo of NRG, S-E-X, and ethics. Though for years I was absolutely positive Moby was a fag, in fact he is not; apart from tell-all magazine interviews, evidence of the wee skinhead's flagrant heterosexuality comes from the video "Everytime You Touch Me." It's quite an effective collision of overlapping frames, snippets of naked bodies with exaggerated skin tones, and some passionate making-out that, on close inspection, takes place between Moby and a couple of women. (Look closely. It's boy/girl. Wishful thinking clouds one's vision sometimes.) Remarkably, the few seconds in which Moby is actually seen tonguing, pulling ropes off the legs of, or spooning treats down the throat of these women are surprisingly erotic. Since day zero we've all been saturated with depictions of guys and girls making out, which for a monosexualist like me elicit little more than boredom (or a fond desire for the woman in the picture to get lost), but Moby manages to make heterosexuality seem exciting, if only for a manageable few seconds at a time. Fancy that. Heterosexuality - exciting! Talk about beating the odds. And the fact that Moby is a Christian vegan adds to the joy. Everything is Wrong is the title of Moby's second album, spanning the gamut with dance tracks (featuring stand-in vocalists `a la Watt) and rock numbers and chill-out tunes. While Moby makes reference to the state of the earth and the pervasiveness of suffering, in fact "everything" is not wrong. There's very little wrong with Moby, or his music, or his ethos. If anything, Everything is Wrong is the antidote to its own title. Gulp down a lovin' spoonful. -- <http://www.interlog.com/~joeclark/QiYE50.html> Moby is woman, hear him roar by [1]Joe Clark It's time to revisit that multitalented vegan heterosexualist musician dude, Moby. After praising his album Everything is Wrong a few months ago, I would later enjoy a superexclusive interviewette with the thoughtful, matter-of-fact lad, whose teeth look much shinier in person than in those dreadful television interviews. Everything is Wrong's signal achievement is assembling a startling range of genres in a sequence that, in other hands, might go over as well as matter brushing against antimatter. (In order, those genres are piano solo, jackhammer disco-diva dancehall, thrash metal, industrial, dancepop, techno, something akin to deathmetal, urbane synthpop `a la Stereo MCs, funereal dirge, more dancepop, another piano solo, New Age soundtrack, lullaby.) The secret to this winsome assemblage, says Moby, is MiniDisc, an oddball Sony recordable-disc technology that lets Moby audition various permutations until he finds one he likes. The album features a handful of session singer(ette)s and Moby's own trademark bellowing. "I guess I have a pretty broad view (1) of singing, (2) of pop music," explains Moby in a typical text-aware '90s sentence. (We're the first generation that talks in parentheses.) "You know when you're young, if you had to go to church, there's always some old guy standing behind you sort of mouthing the words? Everyone else is singing tunefully, and behind you [it's] 'On-ward-Chris-tian-sol-diers-mar-ching....' That's me. I can't do the tuneful thing. So I'm forced to scream and shout and vocalize. "I love female vocals. I have my sort of half-baked semi-adolescent theory that the first sound any human being ever hears is a woman passionately vocalizing, unless of course your mother was anaesthetized when she gave birth to you.... I think it sets a really powerful precedent for female vocals in our brains." Yeah, but in delivery rooms these days aren't there half a dozen doctors and nurses all saying "Come on! Push! Push! Push"? "Well, maybe that's the rap part of it," avers the deadpan bleach-blond megastar. "If you're in a room with five people, four of whom are talking rationally-- like, 'OK, come on! Push!'-- and there's one woman screaming at the top of her lungs, which are you going to pay attention to?" Men loving aliens loving men Two music videos making the rounds now offer oddly contrary vistas into alien realms. Lovable rotund bassist and flannel-shirt habitue Mike Watt (Queer in Your Ear passim) somehow talked Sony into filming a video for "Piss-Bottle Man," Watt's tribute to his father's habit of toting along a bottle to piss in during long car trips. As guest singer Evan Dando croons "Driving in his shoes, using the bottle he used/Every time I pop I think of my Pop and pay my dues," Watt cruises through the desert in his Datsun pickup and is ensnared by smooth-skinned, oval-eyed aliens. As he is flooded by white celestial light, all the while being lovingly pawed by a pair of the childlike creatures, the expression on Watt's motile face communicates wonder, inebriation, and disorientation all at once. In a music video about urine disposal, I suppose anything short of a golden arc counts as subtlety. Meanwhile, quite another conception of alienness can be seen in "Crush with Eyeliner," the long-delayed R.E.M video. (You can also find it on the new home-video collection Parallel.) Directed by Spike Jonze of "Sabotage" and "Buddy Holly" fame, it's the clip in which high-strung Japanese kids in L.A. impersonate R.E.M. onstage. Rendered in film stock so grainy it conjures memories of sand in your shoes at the beach, the kray-zee superstar stand-ins cavort, vogue (yes!), breakdance, and tussle, all the while lip-synching only a tad less competently than most English-speaking bands. "We all invent ourselves," sings Michael Stipe in an ode to a girlfriend he lovingly dubs "my kiss breath turpentine" (piss-bottle breath?). "She's a sad tomato. She's three miles of bad road" (piss-bottle road?). Predictably enough, three of the R.E.M. lads show up in "Crush with Eyeliner." At one point Michael Stipe is seen sashaying down a hall surrounded by his little Japanese friends. Where's the hovering spacecraft? Where are the little people taking you, Michael? Let's face it: In Los Angeles you'll find a heck of a lot more Japanese kids out for a good time than gaunt enigmatic bald bisexualist Georgian pop stars. So who's really the alien in this little tableau? It all leaves me with a funny taste in my mouth. -- Joe Clark joeclark@interlog.com <http://www.interlog.com/~joeclark> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "jason(INRI)" <rwparen@cyberus.ca> Subject: Re: (mobility) speed metal Date: 30 Dec 1997 17:32:24 -0500 a mixture of rock and "electronica" (if that's what you want to call it) is called industrial. it's been around since the early seventies.... some modern industrial acts are nin and gravity kills... -----Original Message----- >At 09:20 PM 12/29/97 -0600, you wrote: >>Now forgive me, I knew Moby was a decent >>guitar player, but I didn't know that he was THAT good!! Certainly he would >>have impressed the likes of Marty Friedman (Megadeth) or Hetfield/Hammett >>(Metallica). I would surely like to know how many of these other >>electronic/whatever artists could possibly play guitar like that. Anybody >>know? I would be surprised if any other dance person heck even alternative >>band's guitarist could do that. > >I know, I know.... :-) >I'm not a speed metal freak (I dig Ministry), but I listen to guitars since >I was 15.... >(that is sure a long song ago!) > >I have theory: >You cannot possibly play a good guitar-solo on a synthesizer (comp.) >so, electronic artists start to perform with a comp. & a guitar.... (this is >where Rock meets Electronics) >Now, fans, or listeners in general, get confused.... (because they all like >to put it in a Class, class-sorting, is what gives people certainty, class >sorting i.e. "this is rock, that is electronica"; is one of the first things >you learn in life, and prob one of the things you have to do the most....) > >Like the style of guitar Moby plays in New Dawn Fades (I didn't know Joy >Division was speed metal, well, never mind....:-) >that's the old seventies hard rock style, as played by SO MANY guitarists >(lot of 'm dead) hardly possible to mention all of 'm (yo know how many >Gibsons there are sold?.... hehe :-)) > >Moby said in an interview his favorite guitarist was Tom Verlaine >(ex-Television) a pure 80's guitarist i'd say... >he has a live-album out together with Chris Spedding ('cocaine') who plays >even better I guess! [there's an absurdly good number on that album, about >him killing his girlfriend and feeding her to her own mother....yahk!... the >guitar in that number is AWESOME...] [I would call it 'apres-Punk'] > >If you wanna hear GUITAR, go to a cd-shop and try out Frank Zappa's cd with >that name! >other great guitar-player is Prince, the OLD one, the one that LIVED, the >one that rocked... >(the Purple Haze guy...) > >First time I heard Animal Rights.... (don't shoot!!!) >it reminded me of David Bowie! The OLD one.... the one from Ziggy Stardust >("time takes a cigaret.... and puts it in your mouth...") >Listen to THAT guitar! (not Bowie himself if I remember correctly, >if i'm not wrong it was a guy called Campbell or so... probably dead too) > >Electric guitar-playing was invented by the Ol' Bo Diddley ('I'm a man') on >a WOODEN square BOX with snares he played the first (blues-)rock >guitarsolo's ever played... he's the guy they ALL learned it from... >No! Everybody shouts! ROBERT JOHNSON! He was the first.... >but folks, that is SO long ago.... even before I had ears! There is this box >though, The Collected Recordings of Robert Johnson.... i think every >guitarfreak should hear that! > >forgive me, if i've let myself go, >but when it comes to guitars, i consider myself a specialist > >(new cassette-deck is coming soon! so keep in touch!) > >Frank Zappa: "When it comes to guitarplaying, in fact, I'm a ONE NOTE >player.... " > >and I immediately added: "...yeah, but that ONE note, he plays SO goooood....!" > > >keesz > > > > >_____________________________________ >"Internet: your bright sight of life" - Kees >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis Daniels" <ddaniels@wcs-net.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and homosexualists Date: 30 Dec 1997 16:59:56 -0600 I have that Mike Watt album and as many people are on it (ie- Beastie Boys, 2/3 of Nirvana (or 3/4 if you count Pat Smear), Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth, Evan Dando of Lemonheads, etc.), to put it truthfully, it wasn't near as good (to me, anyway) as it should've been. Anyway, I was told by someone that Moby did the James Bond re-version as a result of BMW wanting it for their ads. Is there any truth to that? Last thing, I got the Spawn soundtrack the other day, and that Butthole Surfers/Moby song is good, but Moby really needed to do a little more on that song. As a matter of fact, most of the songs on it sound like the "electronica artists" (for lack of a better term) were just on there to provide the background music, while the rock/metal artists basically took all of the credit. For example, the Marilyn Manson/Sneaker Pimps song sounds like M.M. took all of the credit and left S.P. in the dust. (M.M. and S.P. hate each other, but that's a different story). On the video for it-which sucks, just like the song.-only credit is given to Marilyn Manson; why is that? Just wondering. Later, D. ---------- As an avowed homosexualist writer who has covered Moby twice and spent a few hours with him, maybe I could set the matter straight, as it were. These stories are posted on my Web site. I'm giving you the whole shebang here, not all of it being Mobyesque. -- <http://www.interlog.com/~joeclark/QiYE46.html> Mike Watt es mas macho! by [1]Joe Clark I apologize for starting off with an obscure Amerikanski TV reference, but does anyone recall the old Saturday Night Live sketch (later heisted by Laurie Anderson in Home of the Brave) parodying a Spanish-language game show? The whole sketch was such a non-sequitur it oozed a kind of abstract recherche charm, with Bill Murray as quizmaster asking, "Quien es mas macho, Lloyd Bridges o Jack Lloyd?" The answer back then was, of course, Lloyd Bridges (far more macho than Mr. Hawaii Five-O, who had Danno do all the manhandling). Now I wonder if maybe Mike Watt es mas macho-- or is at least a bigger, more charming, even more recherche non-sequitur. This Watt guy must be one powerful bearded hunk o' flesh to get away with an album of such surpassing eccentricity, such intricate packaging, and such megastar guest performers as Ball-hog or Tugboat? Watt is a hero among punk- and garage-rock queens, having written songs for and plucked various guitar strings in the Minutemen and Firehose. Indeed, careful study of the liner notes of Firehose's 1991 opus Flyin' the Flannel, with its comic strips and run-on lowercase text, gives clues to the gloriously overwrought design extravaganza that is Ball-hog or Tugboat?'s package. It's a mustard-yellow folder twice the height of a CD with three disc-sized pockets bound inside. One holds the actual disc. The second contains Ring Spiel '95, an engrossing, bizarre made-up lexicon ("corporate pawn: obvious palooka"; "one-on-one tug-o-war: solo record"). The last pocket holds a poster of album credits, one side of which is meant to look like a broadsheet for an 18th-century Mike Watt Wrestling Federation match. The inside front cover sticks with this theme, showing an apparently headless comic-book guy with his neck butted up against another fellow's privates and the headline "Sex with you is like watching scientific wrestling." Weird enough for you yet? But wait, there's more. (This is a music column, remember? Sometimes I forget.) The album is a puzzling pastiche of styles (blues rock, tuneless guitar meandering, mumbled pseudo-ballads) with largely nonsensical lyrics spewed by guest vocalists like tattooed egocentric carnivore Hank Rollins, overrated angst-rock poster boy Eddie Vedder (monotonously reciting the words "The kids of today should defend themselves against the '70s," a fancy way of saying "disco sucks"), underrated soul crooner Mark Lanegan, and bald-pated hovercraft-piloting oddity Frank Black. (What, Watt? No Traci Lords?) If musicians are more your bag than singers, you'll find a similarly rich coterie of alterna-rock gods here too. Si, Mike Watt es mas macho. I admit it. But can someone tell me why "Intense Song for Madonna to Sing" has no words to sing at all? _____________________________________________________________________ Not quite "everything" Meanwhile, in another part of the forest, dance(hall)/techno/punk/ambient/rave impresario Moby has been driving Little Miss Queer in Your Ear here's fabulometers to the redline with his welcome combo of NRG, S-E-X, and ethics. Though for years I was absolutely positive Moby was a fag, in fact he is not; apart from tell-all magazine interviews, evidence of the wee skinhead's flagrant heterosexuality comes from the video "Everytime You Touch Me." It's quite an effective collision of overlapping frames, snippets of naked bodies with exaggerated skin tones, and some passionate making-out that, on close inspection, takes place between Moby and a couple of women. (Look closely. It's boy/girl. Wishful thinking clouds one's vision sometimes.) Remarkably, the few seconds in which Moby is actually seen tonguing, pulling ropes off the legs of, or spooning treats down the throat of these women are surprisingly erotic. Since day zero we've all been saturated with depictions of guys and girls making out, which for a monosexualist like me elicit little more than boredom (or a fond desire for the woman in the picture to get lost), but Moby manages to make heterosexuality seem exciting, if only for a manageable few seconds at a time. Fancy that. Heterosexuality - exciting! Talk about beating the odds. And the fact that Moby is a Christian vegan adds to the joy. Everything is Wrong is the title of Moby's second album, spanning the gamut with dance tracks (featuring stand-in vocalists `a la Watt) and rock numbers and chill-out tunes. While Moby makes reference to the state of the earth and the pervasiveness of suffering, in fact "everything" is not wrong. There's very little wrong with Moby, or his music, or his ethos. If anything, Everything is Wrong is the antidote to its own title. Gulp down a lovin' spoonful. -- <http://www.interlog.com/~joeclark/QiYE50.html> Moby is woman, hear him roar by [1]Joe Clark It's time to revisit that multitalented vegan heterosexualist musician dude, Moby. After praising his album Everything is Wrong a few months ago, I would later enjoy a superexclusive interviewette with the thoughtful, matter-of-fact lad, whose teeth look much shinier in person than in those dreadful television interviews. Everything is Wrong's signal achievement is assembling a startling range of genres in a sequence that, in other hands, might go over as well as matter brushing against antimatter. (In order, those genres are piano solo, jackhammer disco-diva dancehall, thrash metal, industrial, dancepop, techno, something akin to deathmetal, urbane synthpop `a la Stereo MCs, funereal dirge, more dancepop, another piano solo, New Age soundtrack, lullaby.) The secret to this winsome assemblage, says Moby, is MiniDisc, an oddball Sony recordable-disc technology that lets Moby audition various permutations until he finds one he likes. The album features a handful of session singer(ette)s and Moby's own trademark bellowing. "I guess I have a pretty broad view (1) of singing, (2) of pop music," explains Moby in a typical text-aware '90s sentence. (We're the first generation that talks in parentheses.) "You know when you're young, if you had to go to church, there's always some old guy standing behind you sort of mouthing the words? Everyone else is singing tunefully, and behind you [it's] 'On-ward-Chris-tian-sol-diers-mar-ching....' That's me. I can't do the tuneful thing. So I'm forced to scream and shout and vocalize. "I love female vocals. I have my sort of half-baked semi-adolescent theory that the first sound any human being ever hears is a woman passionately vocalizing, unless of course your mother was anaesthetized when she gave birth to you.... I think it sets a really powerful precedent for female vocals in our brains." Yeah, but in delivery rooms these days aren't there half a dozen doctors and nurses all saying "Come on! Push! Push! Push"? "Well, maybe that's the rap part of it," avers the deadpan bleach-blond megastar. "If you're in a room with five people, four of whom are talking rationally-- like, 'OK, come on! Push!'-- and there's one woman screaming at the top of her lungs, which are you going to pay attention to?" Men loving aliens loving men Two music videos making the rounds now offer oddly contrary vistas into alien realms. Lovable rotund bassist and flannel-shirt habitue Mike Watt (Queer in Your Ear passim) somehow talked Sony into filming a video for "Piss-Bottle Man," Watt's tribute to his father's habit of toting along a bottle to piss in during long car trips. As guest singer Evan Dando croons "Driving in his shoes, using the bottle he used/Every time I pop I think of my Pop and pay my dues," Watt cruises through the desert in his Datsun pickup and is ensnared by smooth-skinned, oval-eyed aliens. As he is flooded by white celestial light, all the while being lovingly pawed by a pair of the childlike creatures, the expression on Watt's motile face communicates wonder, inebriation, and disorientation all at once. In a music video about urine disposal, I suppose anything short of a golden arc counts as subtlety. Meanwhile, quite another conception of alienness can be seen in "Crush with Eyeliner," the long-delayed R.E.M video. (You can also find it on the new home-video collection Parallel.) Directed by Spike Jonze of "Sabotage" and "Buddy Holly" fame, it's the clip in which high-strung Japanese kids in L.A. impersonate R.E.M. onstage. Rendered in film stock so grainy it conjures memories of sand in your shoes at the beach, the kray-zee superstar stand-ins cavort, vogue (yes!), breakdance, and tussle, all the while lip-synching only a tad less competently than most English-speaking bands. "We all invent ourselves," sings Michael Stipe in an ode to a girlfriend he lovingly dubs "my kiss breath turpentine" (piss-bottle breath?). "She's a sad tomato. She's three miles of bad road" (piss-bottle road?). Predictably enough, three of the R.E.M. lads show up in "Crush with Eyeliner." At one point Michael Stipe is seen sashaying down a hall surrounded by his little Japanese friends. Where's the hovering spacecraft? Where are the little people taking you, Michael? Let's face it: In Los Angeles you'll find a heck of a lot more Japanese kids out for a good time than gaunt enigmatic bald bisexualist Georgian pop stars. So who's really the alien in this little tableau? It all leaves me with a funny taste in my mouth. -- Joe Clark joeclark@interlog.com <http://www.interlog.com/~joeclark> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MOBY child <MOBYchild@aol.com> Subject: (mobility) Spawn album & Schoolhouse Rock (was: Re: Moby and homosexualists) Date: 30 Dec 1997 18:54:07 EST ok...here i go... i wasnt impressed by the spawn album at all...not even the moby song. the song didnt have much of a drive behind it. even MOBYs ambiant songs seem to flow a little bit. this song seemed to just hang there...no action. ok, i'm sorry...i really am. i am going to drift from the topic of MOBY for one brief second. i dont want to start a huge thread about Manson and/or the Sneaker Pimps. i ask in advance that people flame ME directly, and avoid sending it to the list. This is just in responce to the question in a previous post which is at the bottom of this one. anyway, the song credit was only given to Manson because this is basically what happened: Manson wrote the song, completely. he, then, sent this song over to the sneaker pimps with relatively little time left for them to properly remix/ produce/ whatever the track. this, as i understand it, is why they dont care for each other. ok, in a vein attempt to redeem my soul (which is, after the past off topic- ness, i really need to do), i dont ever recall a thread on the song which Moby did for the Schoolhouse Rock tribute album. i thought that song was actually very well done, and gave me the first indication of what mobys "rock" side would sound like (since this album was released pre-AR). anyway, i thought that song had a nice feel to it... ....i get my thing in action.... ~L~ ____________UNRELATED *BONUS* RANT______NOT MOBY RELATED_______ --please, can we use the term "electronic music" instead of electronica. it undermines the entire electronic music scene as it attempts to put a general label on a scene which cannot be generalized. while people continue to distinguish between alternative rock, classic rock, and soft rock insted of simply referring to it all as just "rock"; yet fail to realise that electronic music really consists of many sub-genres.-- ____________UNRELATED *BONUS* RANT______NOT MOBY RELATED_______ In a message dated 97-12-30 18:07:30 EST, someone wrote: > Last thing, I got the Spawn soundtrack the other day, and that > Butthole Surfers/Moby song is good, but Moby really needed to do a little > more on that song. As a matter of fact, most of the songs on it sound like > the "electronica artists" (for lack of a better term) were just on there to > provide the background music, while the rock/metal artists basically took > all of the credit. For example, the Marilyn Manson/Sneaker Pimps song > sounds like M.M. took all of the credit and left S.P. in the dust. (M.M. > and S.P. hate each other, but that's a different story). On the video for > it-which sucks, just like the song.-only credit is given to Marilyn Manson; > why is that? Just wondering. > > Later, > D. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dennis Daniels" <ddaniels@wcs-net.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Spawn album & Schoolhouse Rock (was: Re: Moby and homosexualists) Date: 30 Dec 1997 21:12:30 -0600 I used the term electronica because of all of the different styles of music on it, such as Roni Size (Jungle/Drum 'n' Bass), Wink (Acid/House), etc., but yes, the album itself could've been better. I've never heard the Moby song from the Schoolhouse Rocks compilation, or his song from Music For Our Mother Ocean 2, or his Orbital remix from the Hackers 2 soundtrack for that matter. Sorry for the use of "electronica", as most artists in these genres probably hate it, too. See ya, D. ---------- homosexualists) ok...here i go... i wasnt impressed by the spawn album at all...not even the moby song. the song didnt have much of a drive behind it. even MOBYs ambiant songs seem to flow a little bit. this song seemed to just hang there...no action. ok, i'm sorry...i really am. i am going to drift from the topic of MOBY for one brief second. i dont want to start a huge thread about Manson and/or the Sneaker Pimps. i ask in advance that people flame ME directly, and avoid sending it to the list. This is just in responce to the question in a previous post which is at the bottom of this one. anyway, the song credit was only given to Manson because this is basically what happened: Manson wrote the song, completely. he, then, sent this song over to the sneaker pimps with relatively little time left for them to properly remix/ produce/ whatever the track. this, as i understand it, is why they dont care for each other. ok, in a vein attempt to redeem my soul (which is, after the past off topic- ness, i really need to do), i dont ever recall a thread on the song which Moby did for the Schoolhouse Rock tribute album. i thought that song was actually very well done, and gave me the first indication of what mobys "rock" side would sound like (since this album was released pre-AR). anyway, i thought that song had a nice feel to it... ....i get my thing in action.... ~L~ ____________UNRELATED *BONUS* RANT______NOT MOBY RELATED_______ --please, can we use the term "electronic music" instead of electronica. it undermines the entire electronic music scene as it attempts to put a general label on a scene which cannot be generalized. while people continue to distinguish between alternative rock, classic rock, and soft rock insted of simply referring to it all as just "rock"; yet fail to realise that electronic music really consists of many sub-genres.-- ____________UNRELATED *BONUS* RANT______NOT MOBY RELATED_______ In a message dated 97-12-30 18:07:30 EST, someone wrote: > Last thing, I got the Spawn soundtrack the other day, and that > Butthole Surfers/Moby song is good, but Moby really needed to do a little > more on that song. As a matter of fact, most of the songs on it sound like > the "electronica artists" (for lack of a better term) were just on there to > provide the background music, while the rock/metal artists basically took > all of the credit. For example, the Marilyn Manson/Sneaker Pimps song > sounds like M.M. took all of the credit and left S.P. in the dust. (M.M. > and S.P. hate each other, but that's a different story). On the video for > it-which sucks, just like the song.-only credit is given to Marilyn Manson; > why is that? Just wondering. > > Later, > D. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: but not _the_ frankz <frank.z@wxs.nl> Subject: (mobility) i'm in love.... Date: 31 Dec 1997 00:08:01 -0700 Moby, I want to say to ye That Yo love theme is what I think! about music! Music = Love = Language why talk? LSTEN! Play 'Love Theme" and understand Kees _____________________________________ "Internet: your bright sight of life" - Kees ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: theShackofXaq <zbentz@d.umn.edu> Subject: Re: (mobility) Moby and homosexualists Date: 31 Dec 1997 02:02:46 -0600 (CST) On Tue, 30 Dec 1997, Dennis Daniels wrote: > Anyway, I was told by someone that Moby did the James Bond re-version > as a result of BMW wanting it for their ads. Is there any truth to that? i certainly hope NOT! quite awhile ago, moby had a run-in with a car company that used the twin peaks theme in an advert. "go" was big them, and people thought it was moby doing the ad. he said them that he would never do such a thing. ps. could you please trim your re: next time. thanks! -xaq- "People have power not only depending on how much they know, but also what they are prepared to find out!" alec empire ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Chilidiba9 <Chilidiba9@aol.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) i'm in love.... Date: 31 Dec 1997 11:03:37 EST what is love theme ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CRAIG GOLDBERG <CGOLDBERG@EYPae.com> Subject: (mobility) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:32:37 -0500 Date: 31 Dec 1997 09:24:52 -0700 Can anyone define the categories of "Electronica" for me - with examples... i.e. What's difference between techno, rave, ambient, etc., etc.? Much appreciated. -CDG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Froggy1 <Froggy1@aol.com> Subject: Re: (mobility) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 11:32:37 -0500 Date: 31 Dec 1997 12:30:17 EST about the defining different types of electronic music, i can kind of help out. techno is dance music. like if you go to a club, that's probably what they're spinning. rave is also pretty much techno from my knowledge, i could be wrong. some examples of techno are some MOBY....this man does it all......chemical bros.,aphex twin....who also does other stuff, and the chrystal method, which in my opinion is more rave like if there is a difference. now ambient music, which i happen to be a big fan of now, is very relaxing. it's very euphoric and dreamy. to me it's like a drug with out side effects. it's beautiful, dreamy, atmospheric electronics. some exapmles of this are....you guessed it, MOBY......hence the title of his album, ambient,....sounds from the ground, higher intellegence agancy, and also aphex twin. there are alot more. there are also other types of electronic music, alot of which MOBY is doing and has done. well i hope i helped understand a bit from my knowledge. c-ya ----drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Froggy1 <Froggy1@aol.com> Subject: (mobility) hello Date: 31 Dec 1997 12:43:50 EST hi, my name is drew. i'm a new member. i'm 17 years old and live in the great state of connecticut....yeah right. my moby collection isn't very large, because i'm a conosaur of lots of music and whatnot. i have only "Everything Is Wrong" and I like To Score"....i do however plan on buying another of his soon along with Voodoo Child if i can find it.....if anyone has any suggestion as too which one of his i should get, much would be appreciated. when i first heard moby was on a modern rock station, with "when i reach for my revolver"....then i got a cd of his. i liked it. i also soon after saw him at a concert that my local modern rock station held at an amusement park....and i have to say that MOBY RULED!!!!......without a doubt a great performence. i didn't know someone who does electronic music could put on such a great show, but he proved me wrong. as for some of my other favorite artist, my fave in Nine Inch Nails, i also like Tool, Ministry, White Zombie, Soul Coughing, Radiohead, Orbital, Forest for the Trees, alot of the Seattle stuff (pearl jam, stp, the late soundgarden) and lots of anything that rocks or soothes, makes my ears bleed or puts me in a trance. whatever.....as long as it's not rap, r&b, or country, i'll like it. i don't really know any other information that anyone here would like to know.....i do however plan to be a great musician someday and hope that alot of the people on this mailing list will find pleasureable to listen to. well i guess that's it for my introduction hope all have a good day and a happy new year. --drew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MOBY child <MOBYchild@aol.com> Subject: (mobility) Moby and Car adverts (was: re: Moby and homosexualists) Date: 31 Dec 1997 18:02:44 EST greetings. moby DID do an advertisement for an overseas (relative to US) car company. i recieved a postcard from DEF (his european marketing agency, or whatever) saying that "God moving of the face of the waters" was going to be used for a car ad, stating that he was going to donate money from that to environmental, alternative energy and animal rights groups. he called donating said money "perversely satisfying". but i doubt he made the JBT remix just for the BMW commercial. i've heard, yes, only HEARD, that movie companies often ask several artists to make songs for movies. some make it in, some dont. (this happened with Planes, Trains, and Automobiles with the Cleaning Ladies...but thats a long story...if ya know anything about the Cleaning Ladies, a chicago band, e-mail me directly...) thank you, and have a happy new year...celebrate safely and all that... ~L~ hehe... In a message dated 97-12-31 03:10:00 EST, someone wrote: > i certainly hope NOT! > quite awhile ago, moby had a run-in with a car company that used the twin > peaks theme in an advert. "go" was big them, and people thought it was > moby doing the ad. he said them that he would never do such a thing.