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From: "David Muncey" <sledman@xmission.com>
Subject: (ldsmovies) LDS Movies Mailing list
Date: 13 Dec 1998 15:16:18 -0700
Hi everyone,
Most of you do not know who I am. My name is David Muncey and I live in Salt Lake City, Utah. The
reason that you are receiving this message is you are subscribed to the LDS Movies mailing list. We
are still working on getting things ready for any formal discussions or reviews on the web site, but
since the mailing list is up and running, feel free to contribute at any time. If you are getting
this message and you don't want it, please contact me and I will remove you from the list.
Just to let you know a little about the list. We are trying to establish a place where members of
the LDS church (or non-members who would like to contribute) can discuss, one of the greatest past
times (ok, so that is my opinion) : ) The Movies. We will have a web site up before school starts
in January (Jan. 11th to be exact), hopefully.
We started the list because we were tired of finding out what a movie was really like, only after
we had rented, bought, or gone to the theatre. We hope that with this discussion group, we will be
able to enjoy movies that are the really good ones and weed out those that may not be so good or
worth the $6.50 at the theatre.
The movies that we would like to hear from everyone about are those the would be acceptable in the
'For the Strength of Youth' pamphlet. Or in other words, No 'R' ratings (or higher)!
Things that need not be discussed are anything the would be "off topic" or that would go against
the standards of the church. Discussions, should be based solely on whether or not movies should be
seen by other members of the LDS faith OR those with the same values and standards. We do want to
hear what you think about, new or old movies.
Any bashing of the (or any) church, its members, standards, practices, doctrines, and leaders, will
not be tolerated. Other than that, Please keep you hands and feet inside the ride at all times,
hang on and have fun.
David
muncey@bigfoot.com
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From: "David Muncey" <sledman@xmission.com>
Subject: (ldsmovies) movies
Date: 13 Dec 1998 15:27:13 -0700
Hi everyone,
It is me again. There are a few movies that I would like to hear about. If any of you have seen
these movies, please let us know what you thought about them.
Practical Magic
A Bug's Life
Rugrats
Jack Frost
Meet Joe Black
Star Trek: Insurrection
The WaterBoy
What Dreams May Come
David
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From: "David Muncey" <sledman@xmission.com>
Subject: (ldsmovies) FW: BOUNCE ldsmovies@lists.xmission.com:
Date: 21 Dec 1998 17:42:07 -0700
Hi everyone,
This letter was sent to the list, but I have a filter turned on that will not
allow messages go through that have the words s*ubscribe or uns*ubscribe in
them. That is why I am forwarding it to the list. Hope, that you don't mind,
Mary.
Anyone wishing to speak up can always does so, also. David
===========================================================================
Dear David:
I really look forward to your getting this mailist in high gear. I also
subscribe to 2 or 3 others from "majordomo", and enjoy reading their
daily output. Sometimes some of it is quite lengthy, so I don't really
focus on it and get as much out of it as I should and could. I guess if I
get too inundated, I can always "unsubscribe" to a couple of them.
In any event, the movies one sounds real interesting, I have never made
any input to any of the others, but I may to the movies. Maybe just so
much pontificating from the safety of my high ivory tower, and not much
in way of reviewing movies, since we don't usually go to many movies or
even rent them.
Maybe we don't rent or go to many movies because it has been hard to know
what we're getting into until you're neck deep in it. One can't go much
by the Movie Industry Ratings (PG, R, etc) because these are often
contrived to sell more tickets. Seems the public won't go to movies
unless they are R-Rated, so the movie makers INSERT a little bad
language, a bedroom scene, etc that looks like it's just "stuck in" to
get an R rating. It doesn't even fit in with the context of the rest of
the movie, which may be very good in many cases. Other R-rated movies
really do earn that rating, like "Pulp Fiction" did in all categories.
Too bad--Johnny Travolta is such a marvelous dancer, and I don't think he
was shown dancing more than 5 sec if that, in that movie.
I wonder if, on some of these marginally R-rated films, if they could
release 2 versions: one R-Rated with the 1 or 2 superfluous sex scenes
and bad language for those who think they need these things to have a
good movie; and the other a "cleaned up" version of identically the same
film with those superfluosities deleted, which would then earn a PG
rating.
I have noticed in the past month that the TV "previews" of
soon-to-be-released movies, are advertising a lot more PG rated movies.
Is this because it is the Holiday Season and they are trying to appeal to
the family audience? Or is it because the movie makers are actually
making more cleaned up movies? Or is it because they have changed their
rating standards such that just a little bad language or just 1 sex scene
now rates a PG instead of an R?
Anyway, until the very recent past, when one visits a Video rental store
or goes thru the movie theatre listings, there has hardly been anything
rated G or PG that does not insult the mature mind. When I say "mature",
I'm not talking "dirty", I'm talking adult intelligent mind. Not counting
the classics like "Snow White", "Cinderella", "Mary Poppins", etc where
the story is classic and the music is too--I find most of the G & PG
movies to be an insult to the adult intelligent mind. Disney has been
about the worst offender in this. Look at the listings on the Disney
Channel: almost all dum-dum "kid rules" movies. That is, the story is
about 10 yr olds who do better at handling life than their parents and/or
other adults. The adults are the incompetent, stupid bunglers. The kids
are smart, resourceful, etc. ("Home Alone" is a good example of this. The
first one was kind of cute, but the rest of this series and others like
it are just plain boring, dumb and tiresome). When I see the word "Kid"
in the title, I know it would be a waste of time for me.
Most of the movies I watch are the TV movies, many on the LIFEtime
Channel. Probably a lot of them would be R-rated because of all the
illicit sex situations and scenes. How much re-writing would it take to
have the couples married before they go to bed? Probably not much, and
the story would be a lot less offensive and more realistic too.
Actually, I have really enjoyed some of the Xmas special movies that have
been on TV this year: the Hallmark ones are almost always wonderful; and
the Beth Polson movies, and others recommended and/or produced by the
Bonneville Corp. These are not dumb "kid rules" films; they are touching
and heartwarming; often carry a beautiful message; and appeal to the
mature, intelligent adult mind as well as the youth and children. I liked
the "Christmas Box" books & TV Movies and this type of thing. I thought
the "Christmas Wish" last week was and should be a classic. I really do
hope that the PG trend I see advertised on TV portends a happy future of
good movies. Of course, the old MGM musicals are timeless in their good
clean entertainment value.
Other than good full-length features like the above, my favorite TV shows
include(d): "Hiway to Heaven", "Little House" anything by or with Michael
Landon (unfortunately, no relation), "Touched By An Angel", "Promised
Land", most everything with or by Gerald McRainey, Roma Downing, etc. I
also enjoy "7th Heaven", though sometimes it borders on the "dumb adult,
smart kids" theme.
By the way, it's not LDS, but I might recommend you get in touch with
and/or subscribe to the Focus on the Family publications/radio programs
with James Dobson. Their "Citizen" (Current Events) publication recently
devoted almost the whole issue to TV and the Movies from a Christian
point of view.
Re: The specific movies mentioned below: I have not seen any of them. As
I said, we seldom go to the movie house. But, I've seen the ads on a
couple of them: "Rugrats", "Bug's Life", "Jack Frost" appear to be the
"dum kids rule" type and do not appeal to me at all. Though they do
appear "clean" enough. Generally, except in the case of the old Disney
classics, animated films do not appeal to me. Now that Disney is cranking
them out 2 or 3 per year with the aid of computer animation, they all
seem like the same story, even the same faces with different names,
settings, skin color, etc. After you've seen one, you've seen them all.
Contrasted with "Snow White" and some of those old classics that took 2
yrs or so in the making. I liked "Little Mermaid", "Beauty & the Beast" &
"Lion King" (good music), but most of the ones to follow have been a
little redo of the same thing.
"Joe Black" sounds like it might be good. I'll have to get more feedback
from others who see it. Any of the "Star Trek" movies are probably very
good, or are they going to be like the Disney ones--mass produced
cranking out of the same basic story over & over ad nauseam? "Water Boy"
doesn't sound real good, but I'll also reserve judgment on that.
"What Dreams May Come" is the one on your list that I have actually seen.
I think it was R-rated, but I don't know why. He did use the "F"
(4-Letter) word sprinkled thru the script. That language was so contrived
and obviously just "stuck in" to get the R rating and bigger audiences
(they think). It did NOT fit in with the rest of the context of the show.
Other than that, it was a pretty good show. It was not animated, but the
special effects, colors & photography were superb! Without the sound
track it would have been almost as good. However, the story line almost
completely eluded me. I still don't "get it". What was the story supposed
to be? What were they trying to say? It seemed there were a lot of "flash
backs" and "flash forwards"--almost totally lost me. I felt like it was
an opera--I needed a Libretto or translation or running commentary. Maybe
they could have substituted some explanation for the little bit of bad
language?
Of course, I am the person who completely missed the whole point of
"Stepford Wives". I was so enthralled & fascinated with the sociological
implications and aspects of living in a town where all marriages were
deliriously happy, women were immaculate housekeepers and human dynamos
with a bottomless pit of energy & stamina to get everything done, keep
all the "balls in the air", be perfect wives & mothers, keep gorgeous
figures, etc, etc, etc. It never even occurred to me to question how
things got to be that way or that there might be a "dark side" to it.
Gee, I was all ready to move to Stepford. Now, I'd sure like the name &
phone number of that "clutter counselor" character in the recent TV Xmas
Hallmark movie "St Maybe".
Mary Landen
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On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 15:27:13 -0700 "David Muncey" <sledman@xmission.com>
writes:
>Hi everyone,
> It is me again. There are a few movies that I would like to
>hear about. If any of you have seen
>these movies, please let us know what you thought about them.
>
>Practical Magic
>A Bug's Life
>Rugrats
>Jack Frost
>Meet Joe Black
>Star Trek: Insurrection
>The WaterBoy
>What Dreams May Come
>
> David
> muncey@bigfoot.com
>
>
>
>-
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From: karinsda1@juno.com (karin B Gilbert)
Subject: (ldsmovies) Historically-based R-rated movies
Date: 21 Dec 1998 21:00:23 -0200
I was thinking about something...I know the church's counsel on watching
R-rated movies is to not watch them, but what about movies like
Schindel's List and Saving Private Ryan? I am a WWII history buff, and I
am especially intrigued by the Holocaust (not in a sick sense, but it's
just such an amazing story). I found these movies to be pretty
historically accurate, and I don't think there were any scenes that
weren't necessary to the movies. I can tell you one thing, if someone
was shooting at me, I'd probably be inclined to drop a few f-words here
and there.
What is everyone else's opinion on this? Are R-rated movies with
historical plot an attempt by Satan to draw us away from the church or a
chance to see what it might've felt like to be on Juno beach during the
Normandy invasion? I know we're not supposed to be discussing R-rated
movies here, but I just want some opinion.
By the way, I haven't seen any of the movies that are on that list, but
I did see Antz (the Dreamworks movie that came out right before A Bug's
Life). It was a reat movie and I recommend it to rent when it comes out
on video!!!
Karin Gilbert
Newark, DE
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From: "David Muncey" <sledman@xmission.com>
Subject: RE: (ldsmovies) Historically-based R-rated movies
Date: 21 Dec 1998 20:09:04 -0700
> I was thinking about something...I know the church's counsel
> on watching R-rated movies is to not watch them, but what about movies like
> Schindel's List and Saving Private Ryan? I am a WWII history
> buff, and I am especially intrigued by the Holocaust (not in a sick
> sense, but it's just such an amazing story). I found these movies to be
pretty
> historically accurate, and I don't think there were any scenes that
> weren't necessary to the movies. I can tell you one thing, if someone
> was shooting at me, I'd probably be inclined to drop a few
> f-words here and there.
One of the greatest things about the church is that we are able to choose for
ourselves and from everything that I have seen, they are counseling us to not
watch R movies, not prohibiting it. Or in otherwords, you can still get a
recommend (as far as I know) even if you watch R movies. I know that the church
is not against History either, but I am sure that they would encourage members
to watch an edited version or not watch it at all.
> What is everyone else's opinion on this? Are R-rated movies with
> historical plot an attempt by Satan to draw us away from the
> church or a chance to see what it might've felt like to be on Juno beach
> during the Normandy invasion? I know we're not supposed to be discussing
R-rated
> movies here, but I just want some opinion.
I think that it is a personal choice. You are not going to be kicked out of the
church for watching them (at least I would hope that is the case). I think that
the problem lies, in where do you draw the line. Of course, all of this is
simply my opinion.
> By the way, I haven't seen any of the movies that are on
> that list, but I did see Antz (the Dreamworks movie that came out right
> before A Bug's Life). It was a reat movie and I recommend it to rent when
> it comes out on video!!!
So was it not worth the theater price? Tell us what you liked about it and
maybe somethings that you didn't like about it.
As for discussing R rated movies, It is ok to discuss such as you have here. By
just asking what people feel about watching them would not be considered against
list guidelines. If you were to attack or argue about whether or not someone
should watch R rated movies, that would definately be a problem. We also don't
really want rated R movies to be "reviewed" or discussed specifically.
David
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From: David Muncey <sledman@xmission.com>
Subject: (ldsmovies) Movies
Date: 29 Dec 1998 15:35:17 -0700 (MST)
Hi everyone,
Has anyone seen Patch Adams, You've Got Mail or Stepmom? Is so
let all of us know what you thought. Thanks. David
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From: karinsda1@juno.com (karin B Gilbert)
Subject: Re: (ldsmovies) Movies
Date: 29 Dec 1998 23:36:23 -0200
Well, I haven't gotten around to seeing Patch Adams yet (and I can't wait
to see it, either...the "Donner, party of fifty!" line just killed me!!),
but I saw "A Bug's Life", and for anyone tha hasn't seen it yet, pack up
the van and get to the theater!!! It's a really cute movie that my
friends' neices and nephews (ages 3-8) loved!! The humor was clean and
the story line was cute. Oddly enough...it was a lot like Antz, but with
less adult humor.
Well, that's my two-sense...enjoy the movie!!
Karin
Newark, DE
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