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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:38:35 -0500
From: Marcia Leon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Stake Calendaring question -Reply

Sue,

This is what we have on the calendar for the Caldwell, NJ Stake:

January
Stake Super Saturday - Games Night

February
5-Stake Valentine's Dance
    (E. Brunswick Stake)

March
Stake Super Saturday - "Play-in-a-Day"
Camp Kick-off  & General YW Broadcast

April
4-Stake Super Saturday - Scripture Bowl & dance
    (Scotch Plains Stake)

May
Stake Father/Son Camp out
4-Stake Youth Conference - "Take Christ's Hand"

June
Seminary graduation
Stake Father/Daughter camp out
Scout Camp

July
Stake Pioneer Day Picnic
Girl's Camp

August
Stake Family camp out
Stake Super Saturday - Temple site service project/water games

September
5-Stake Dance - "Back to School" theme
     (Caldwell Stake)

October
Stake Super Saturday - TBA (service project?)

November
YW  Worldwide Celebration

December
4-Stake Holiday dance
(Morristown Stake)

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:01:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: john scarlett <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Sunday lessons

The members in our bishopric trade off months to visit our YW opening
exercises and I believe it is good for the girls to see them there and
feel their concern for them.

Every other month we also have a member of the bishopric teach a
combined lesson to all the YW and usually we ask them to teach the
kick-off lesson if it falls on the same sunday.  This adds variety to
who the girls are always hearing from and the bishopric is also well
versed in the young women theme as a result.

One other thing my bishop insists on is setting apart new class
presidencies in YW opening exercises.  All the girls feel the spirit
of the blessing given and through the words of the blessing come to
and understanding of the role class presidencies play and how
important they are.

Just a few thoughts.

Audene in Kannapolis NC




- ---Timothy B Lish <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
> This month we are focusing on Integrity.  For our comibined lesson
(Fast
> Sunday) we invited a member of the bishopric to present the theme.  It
> went VERY WELL!!   I was amazed at how quiet and respectful the young
> women were.  They actually listened and learned something!  I think
it is
> a great idea and I will definately do it again. I think it helps the
> young women grow closer to the bishopric, as well as give them a
chance
> to fell of their spirits individually.   Another thing we have
started,
> is having a member of the bishopric be in our opening exercies each
week.
>  This really helps with the reverence problems.  (This was the bishops
> idea!)  Hope this helps!
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:39:01 -0700
From: "Dave Morris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Back to School

Hi Joan
The 911 tape Is a new one by John Bytheway. It can be purchased from
Deseret Book. The success to the waterslide is to be honest, truthful and
right to the point, plus you must work the crowd. Everytime some one
giggles or makes a remark or acts like they do not believe you go after it.
It was always fun to give. I would present the waterslide every few months,
the youth in our ward can now give it to me. But what happens is one will
start to do something wrong and one of their friends would come up to me
and say: "Bishop, you better talk to so-and-so they are trying to go down
the waterslide."
Good Luck
Ex-Bishop Daddy

- ----------
> From: JOAN COULLIETTE <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Back to School
> Date: Friday, June 05, 1998 2:44 AM
>
> Hi Ex-Bishop Daddy
>     Please, please post the 911 tape or tell me where I can get it.  I
read
> the waterslide talk to my dh last night,  he's the one with the pencil
> object lesson, and he was really impressed.  Now he wants to give it to
our
> Bishop to use.   Thanks!  Joan in SLC
>
>
> >>About 15 years ago I started purchasing talk tapes for the youth.
Mainly
> >because my oldest son is dyslexic. I now have a collection of a hundred
or
> >so. I like, and my children like, all of John Bytheway's talks.  His
live
> >talks are great but when it came to the school one and also the mission
one
> >I found them a little boring and so did my children.  The dating 911
tape
> >is an excellent tape. Hope that helps. I plan, as soon as I get them
> >organized, to post them on this thread.
> >Good Luck
> >Ex-Bishop Daddy
> >
> >----------
> >> From: PAUL CHAPMAN <[e-mail]>
> >> To: [e-mail]
> >> Subject: (lds-yw) Back to School
> >> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 9:13 AM
> >>
> >> Sisters,
> >>
> >> I am really interested in doing the Back to School Night with the
> >> John Bytheway's Book "Things I wish I'd known in High School".  And
the
> >> school supply handouts were darling.  I called our local LDS Bookstore
> >> to see if they had the book or the tape and they had both plus there
is
> >> a second book and/or tape called "Things I wish I'd known in high
> >> school: Second Semester.  Has anyone read the second book or listened
to
> >> the second tape?  I'd like to know about it to.  Thanks, Susan in AZ
> >>
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:52:55 -0700
From: "Dave Morris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Fw: Waterslide

Hi Dee
Isn't the color code neat. I am white and my wife is yellow. Taylor says
they are the two that marry's the least. My father in-law is red. He is a
healthy red and he comments sometimes that we need a red person in our
household so some thing can and will get done. You need to get the book or
the tapes. Once you understand the color code you can do great things. I
know how to act red and on some occasions I will act red to get what I want
from a store. Because like he says things are saved just for red people.
Taylor also says, there are not as many white people as the rest. Maybe 18
to 20 percent white and the rest are about even. When I found this out I
said Taylor let me tell you a story. First of all I am the Bishop and I am
white. One of my counselors is white, The entire RS Pres, EQP, HPGL, Exec.
Secty, Primary are all white. His response back to me was: "How do youi
ever get anything done in your ward"
  What is funny is red people never see negative traits as negative. I am
grateful to Taylor for the color code. I really try hard each day to be a
better person. I know we are always told to strive for perfection. But
unless something like the color code comes along, we do not know where to
start.
Good Luck
Ex-Bishop Daddy

- ----------
> From: Denise Nix <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Fw: Waterslide
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 7:35 AM
>
> me too!  It was soo darn good, I didn't want it to end!!!  Red-Herring???

> :-)  Thanks, x-bishop daddy, for all you do to help us out!  Dee in Iowa
> PS... My hubby grudgingly admits he's "white" too.. And I'm afraid we
both
> knew immediately I am "red"...funny thing is (and we laughed til we
cried)
> I don't see the "negative traits" as negative!!!!  :-) My hubby said a
> "red" wouldn't!  LOL
> Dee
>
> ----------
> > From: JOAN COULLIETTE <[e-mail]>
> > To: [e-mail]
> > Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Fw: Waterslide
> > Date: Friday, June 05, 1998 5:04 AM
> >
> > Thank you Ex-Bishop Daddy.  I also wondered if there was something
> missing
> > at the bottom of the Waterslide talk.  Joan in SLC
> >
> > >Yes there is more to the waterslide. I will try to put some more down
> and
> > >post them. I just tried to put together things I had seen over the
years
> > >and events that the young people would relate too. I will be going to
> Utah
> > >and Idaho on the 17th so it will be after that when I post them.
Thanks
> > >Ex-Bishop Daddy
> > >
> > >----------
> > >> From: The Salter's <[e-mail]>
> > >> To: [e-mail]
> > >> Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Fw: Waterslide
> > >> Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 4:23 PM
> > >>
> > >> > would not take her until she changed her blouse. It was sleeveless
> and
> > >he
> > >> > was uncomfortable with what he could see. The Laurel was very mad
> but
> > >she
> > >> > changed her blouse.
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >> Is this where the Waterslide talk ended?  Or is there more?
> > >>
> > >> Kathy S.
> > >>
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:56:58 -0700
From: "Dave Morris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Fundraising for next year camp. -Reply

The handbook states all unused budget  money will be returned to Salt Lake
at the end of the year. The only exception is Missionary fund and the other
account. So, all unused budget money is automatically kept by Salt Lake. If
you put your camp money in the other account you will be able to keep it.
Ex-Bishop Daddy

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> From: Marcia Leon <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: (lds-yw) Fundraising for next year camp. -Reply
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 6:17 AM
>
> I don't know just how it's done, but in our stake the wards can apply any
> left over camp money from this year towards next year's camp funds.  We
do
> it on a stake level too ... we jokingly refer to it as our "slush fund"!
> We had one branch of 8 YW raise $1400 from one activity this year and
only
> needed half for camp so they're already half-way there for next year.  I
> made sure to let every YW presidency know to have their ward financial
> clerk talk to the stake financial clerk to find out how funds can be
saved
> for next year.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:36:16 -0600
From: "The Roberts" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Sunday lessons- Bishopric

We had a member of the Bishopric in our class Sunday.  I wished he would
have not been there.  The lesson was on being chaste.  I had planned on
having all the girls on a "panel" and discuss the issues in the lesson as
well as in their lives right now.  Some of the girls didn't seem to mind
him being there but the majority sat quietly the whole time (not normal).
Maybe if he had asked before hand I could have told him next week.

Liz



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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:48:27 -0700
From: Stephen W Larimore <[e-mail]>
Subject: (lds-yw) Leadership handout ideas???

In our upcoming leadership meeting our Stake Pres. has asked us  to do a
handbook training session.  To make this fun we have decided to play
"Handbook Jeopardy" after each question is answered we will open the
handbook to the page the information was taken from and have the leaders
highlight the information in their handbooks.

We would like to give each leader  a highlighter with a cute saying on
it.  This is where I need help.  Does anyone have something cute we
could attach to the highlighter?

Jeri


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Date: Fri, 5 Jun 1998 10:51:20 -0600
From: "JOAN COULLIETTE" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Pioneer Trek / Wilderness Youth Conference

dh=darling husband. dd=darling daughter.  ds=darling son
Just common computer language shortcuts.    Joan in SLC



>joan,
>what is "dh" ?  I could make out most of your abbreviations, but not this
>one.
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:59:07 -0700
From: "Dave Morris" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Sunday lessons- Bishopric

Hi Liz
That is what I liked about the waterslide. It broke down any and all
Barriers. If you handle the presentation properly, all the youth will
participate. If someone has a question , stop and answer it and use this as
a teaching moment. BE HONEST,  tell them like it is. The youth will love
you for it. Each age group I would teach differently. There are a couple
stories I would only tell the priests and Laurels. Believe me it got their
attention and they listened. Can't tell that story here, I would certainly
get roasted. This will make the difference.
Good Luck
Ex-Bishop Daddy

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> From: The Roberts <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Sunday lessons- Bishopric
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 9:36 AM
>
> We had a member of the Bishopric in our class Sunday.  I wished he would
> have not been there.  The lesson was on being chaste.  I had planned on
> having all the girls on a "panel" and discuss the issues in the lesson as
> well as in their lives right now.  Some of the girls didn't seem to mind
> him being there but the majority sat quietly the whole time (not normal).

> Maybe if he had asked before hand I could have told him next week.
>
> Liz
>
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:54:54 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Back to School

In a message dated 98-08-11 14:18:54 EDT, you write:

<< I am really interested in doing the Back to School Night with the
 John Bytheway's Book "Things I wish I'd known in High School".  And the
 school supply handouts were darling. >>

I'm interested in this Back to School Night also... But I think I missed
something. What school supply handouts?
Thanks.
Stacey

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:58:10 EDT
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Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Fundraising for next year camp. -Reply

In a message dated 98-08-12 09:20:41 EDT, you write:

<< We had one branch of 8 YW raise $1400 from one activity this year  >>

How'd they do it????
Stacey

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:03:52 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Fundraising for next year camp.

In a message dated 98-08-12 08:59:10 EDT, you write:

<< Many of you have said that you are selling these cookbooks right now.  Is
this for camp this year or next?  If it is for next year how are you posting
your money to apply to 1999?  >>

We are doing the cookbook for next year's girls camp. We had to get it done by
this month in order to get the cookbooks back in time for Christmas. We really
felt like we needed the Christmas season to boost sales. We haven't collected
any money yet... we will when we deliver cookbooks. So we will be making the
money in mid-December. I don't think that is a problem... the Bishop & ward &
financial clerks know what we are doing and haven't said it is a problem. If
it was we could just wait two weeks until January to submit all the money.
Usually, from what I've been told, the money just "rolls over" into the next
year. As long as it is earmarked girls camp money we are ok. In fact, I'm
hoping we will make MORE money than it costs to send girls to camp & we will
just roll it over into the following year to go toward the next year's camp.
That is how I understand it... can't promise that is is 100% accurate! ▄
Stacey

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:05:26 -0500
From: Marcia Leon <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Fundraising for next year camp. -Reply -Reply

This small branch had a great camp director that solicited donations from
different businesses in the area such as hair salons, supermarkets, nail
salons, etc for gift certificates.  The YW held an all day carnival that
consisted of games for kids (small prizes to win), sold food (which was
bought with a gift certificate from a local market), had a garage sale with
articles donated by ward members, and an auction.  At the same time that
they were holding their carnival another ward YW group had a car wash at
the same building - so that attacted lots of people.  The girls were so
proud of themselves for raising that large amount of money ... I think it
helped them gain some self-confidence and the knowledge that if they work
together they can accomplish many great things!

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:15:42 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Leadership handout ideas???

In a message dated 98-08-12 12:48:17 EDT, you write:

<< "Handbook Jeopardy"  >>

What a fun idea & a great teaching opportunity too! "You go girl!" ▄ Thanks
for sharing. I'm anxious to hear this clever idea with the highlighter pen
also. ▄
Stacey

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:32:02 -0700
From: Frank Morris <[e-mail]>
Subject: (lds-yw) Do you all keep having YW's through Summer?

Do any of you not have YW's in the summer or even not have it for one
month?  We are a small group, in Aug. every yr. I just have one or two
YW that come cause of family vacations, ect....The one or two hate
coming by themselves, and to be perfectly honest I could use a break
from it all that month as well with all the back to schooling ect!!

Please let me know what you all do

Jeanie
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:37:15 -0600
From: "The Salter's" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Do you all keep having YW's through Summer?

Last year our Bishop decided to not have any activities (Mutual, RS etc)
during the month of July.  We still ended up doing things such as girls
camp, and the boys camping activities.  This year the ward council decided
not to skip July, so we've had an activity (of some sort) each week.  It is
hard, especially with vacations and all, but I feel that consistancy is
important.  When you discard a program because of lack of attendance, you
are making a statement, that maybe it just isn't all that important after
all.

Just my opinion
Kathy S.



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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 14:42:38 -0400
From: Louise Hammer <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Do you all keep having YW's through Summer?

At 01:32 PM 8/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Do any of you not have YW's in the summer or even not have it for one
>month?  We are a small group, in Aug. every yr. I just have one or two
>YW that come cause of family vacations, ect....The one or two hate
>coming by themselves, and to be perfectly honest I could use a break
>from it all that month as well with all the back to schooling ect!!
>
>Please let me know what you all do
>
>Jeanie
>[e-mail]


Jeanie -

I live in a "university" town that REALLY slows down in the summer.  And we
have alot of stake activities in the summer like girls camp, YW high
adventure, youth conference, temple trips, etc.  We've tried to schedule
activities in the past in the summer with very little attendance.  Some
families take month-long vacations (myself included).  The scouting program
stops for the summer (at least in our ward) and so we do too.  We have an
occasional activity, but our regular Wednesday night meetings don't happen
until school starts again.

I'm sure this wouldn't be the case with every ward, but with our ward it
works and no one seems to mind.

Louise H.


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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:56:05 -0600
From: Jennifer Eatchel <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Do you all keep having YW's through Summer? -Reply

I agree with Kathy that it's important to be consistently having activies.  Some
families rarely take vacations (at least in my area) and I don't think it's good
for the kids to be idle all week during the summer except for Sundays.
Regardless of how many attend, those that do show up deserve to be able to
participate in an activity.

Jen E.

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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:20:11 -0400
From: "bosfam" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) friendshipping/unity leadership conference

Kristen,
Thanks for the cute ideas with the pillow cases. We have had a small YW's
group this summer (8) since so many of ours went away for the summer. They
are all returning this next week and my counselors and I have talked about
having a Personal Progress sleepover for them.  You gave me some good ideas.
I'm sorry I couldn't help you though.
Beth in Md.
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To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Tuesday, August 11, 1998 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) friendshipping/unity leadership conference


>Kirsten,
>
>What a great idea! Our YW is small too. 9 total, 3 1/2 active (2 are
sisters)
>its a challenge. I'd love to hear  some of your ideas (and others too) on
>working with small YW groups.
>
>I know I haven't given you any ideas, but you sure helped me out. THANKS!
>
>Kelly
>YW President, Petal Mississippi
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:48:16 -0400
From: "bosfam" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Pioneer Trek / Wilderness Youth Conference

Sue,
Our stake just had their Youth Conference in July and it was the Pioneer
Trek at Marriott Farms in Va. I am the YW's Pres. in my ward and didn't have
the opportunity to go but my daughter went and my first counselor. They came
back from the Trek with such a wonderful  testimony of it. Our Bishop had a
Sacrament meeting the day after they returned and had some of the leaders
and youth tell how they liked it.There was not one negative response! My
daughter told me that she knew it was going to be hard. They did only get an
orange the first day and plenty of fluids. They had the women's pull the
first day and allot of the YW said that as they tried to pull the 600 pd.
handcart up the hill they didn't do it alone. One girl said she felt a hand
on her back helping her push it up the hill and no one was behind her. The
second day they didn't walk as far as the first day but still walked allot.
They went threw streams and even a river! They had to depend on their
families and their Ma & Pa they were assigned to. The second night they had
a big "hoe-down" and had a blast. The third day they had a testimony meeting
and I heard that there were many tears shared! My husband & I went to pick
the youth up at the end and I could feel the spirit there as the youth came
over the hill with their handcarts and singing "Come Come Ye Saints" dressed
in their pioneer clothing. My daughter said she is so grateful for the
opportunity she had to attend this Trek. Our Bishop said at the Testimony
meeting that going on this trek was the closest he has been to the spirit
besides going to the Temple!! I know there are allot of concerns about the
food supply for the youth and other questions but I can tell you that this
is an experience they will never forge! If your youth can go then let them
go and prepare for this. We started back in April with a fireside and some
video. In fact the stake is having a "Youth Conference Reunion" hoe-down in
two weeks. The youth are anxious to go and see everyone again. Hope your
stake decides to go! Good luck!
Beth in MD.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Susan G Kane <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 12:11 AM
Subject: (lds-yw) Pioneer Trek / Wilderness Youth Conference


>My Stake YM President is pretty determined to do the old pioneer trek
>youth conference that BYU offered as a packaged program to stakes several
>years ago. Our stake did the Wilderness Youth Conference 6 years ago at
>the Joseph Smith Memorial, and 2 years ago we did the "Hold Fast" Youth
>Conference. These are no longer programs offered by BYU/CES - now they
>just offer an outline, help with a program, and speakers to enhance your
>conference.
>
>Have any of you done the Pioneer Trek program, or a similar activity? Any
>successes or disappointments you could share? This activity includes
>pulling handcarts in families, doing pioneer activities, etc. The trek
>lasts for 4 days, and includes walking long distances and camping
>overnight. Some things include the solo hike, only an orange for one meal
>(food deprivation), the women's pull, killing a live chicken, taffy
>pulling, I even heard of building cardboard temples and the stake leaders
>coming in as marauders and destroying them.
>
>I personally have a problem with "contrived" situations where the youth
>are deprived comforts they are accustomed to, or sleep deprivation etc.,
>and then they are given an intense "spiritual experience". I am not sure
>that the youth need to pull a handcart or kill a chicken to feel the
>spirit or learn to deal with issues they face today.
>
>As you can tell, I have reservations about this youth conference plan.
>Any ideas you could all share pro or con?
>
>Thanks so much for your help!
>
>Sue in NH
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:48:16 -0400
From: "bosfam" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Pioneer Trek / Wilderness Youth Conference

Sue,
Our stake just had their Youth Conference in July and it was the Pioneer
Trek at Marriott Farms in Va. I am the YW's Pres. in my ward and didn't have
the opportunity to go but my daughter went and my first counselor. They came
back from the Trek with such a wonderful  testimony of it. Our Bishop had a
Sacrament meeting the day after they returned and had some of the leaders
and youth tell how they liked it.There was not one negative response! My
daughter told me that she knew it was going to be hard. They did only get an
orange the first day and plenty of fluids. They had the women's pull the
first day and allot of the YW said that as they tried to pull the 600 pd.
handcart up the hill they didn't do it alone. One girl said she felt a hand
on her back helping her push it up the hill and no one was behind her. The
second day they didn't walk as far as the first day but still walked allot.
They went threw streams and even a river! They had to depend on their
families and their Ma & Pa they were assigned to. The second night they had
a big "hoe-down" and had a blast. The third day they had a testimony meeting
and I heard that there were many tears shared! My husband & I went to pick
the youth up at the end and I could feel the spirit there as the youth came
over the hill with their handcarts and singing "Come Come Ye Saints" dressed
in their pioneer clothing. My daughter said she is so grateful for the
opportunity she had to attend this Trek. Our Bishop said at the Testimony
meeting that going on this trek was the closest he has been to the spirit
besides going to the Temple!! I know there are allot of concerns about the
food supply for the youth and other questions but I can tell you that this
is an experience they will never forge! If your youth can go then let them
go and prepare for this. We started back in April with a fireside and some
video. In fact the stake is having a "Youth Conference Reunion" hoe-down in
two weeks. The youth are anxious to go and see everyone again. Hope your
stake decides to go! Good luck!
Beth in MD.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Susan G Kane <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
Date: Wednesday, August 12, 1998 12:11 AM
Subject: (lds-yw) Pioneer Trek / Wilderness Youth Conference


>My Stake YM President is pretty determined to do the old pioneer trek
>youth conference that BYU offered as a packaged program to stakes several
>years ago. Our stake did the Wilderness Youth Conference 6 years ago at
>the Joseph Smith Memorial, and 2 years ago we did the "Hold Fast" Youth
>Conference. These are no longer programs offered by BYU/CES - now they
>just offer an outline, help with a program, and speakers to enhance your
>conference.
>
>Have any of you done the Pioneer Trek program, or a similar activity? Any
>successes or disappointments you could share? This activity includes
>pulling handcarts in families, doing pioneer activities, etc. The trek
>lasts for 4 days, and includes walking long distances and camping
>overnight. Some things include the solo hike, only an orange for one meal
>(food deprivation), the women's pull, killing a live chicken, taffy
>pulling, I even heard of building cardboard temples and the stake leaders
>coming in as marauders and destroying them.
>
>I personally have a problem with "contrived" situations where the youth
>are deprived comforts they are accustomed to, or sleep deprivation etc.,
>and then they are given an intense "spiritual experience". I am not sure
>that the youth need to pull a handcart or kill a chicken to feel the
>spirit or learn to deal with issues they face today.
>
>As you can tell, I have reservations about this youth conference plan.
>Any ideas you could all share pro or con?
>
>Thanks so much for your help!
>
>Sue in NH
>[e-mail]
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:04:15 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Do you all keep having YW's through Summer?-Reply

In a message dated 98-08-12 14:59:28 EDT, you write:

<< I agree with Kathy that it's important to be consistently having activies.
Some
 families rarely take vacations (at least in my area) and I don't think it's
good
 for the kids to be idle all week during the summer except for Sundays.
 Regardless of how many attend, those that do show up deserve to be able to
 participate in an activity.
  >>

I agree.  When I was the ward YW Pres (I'm now Stake Pres) we were struggling
with this problem too.  Part of our solution was to have a combined activity
once a month with the four wards meeting in our building.  Each ward took a
turn during May, June, July or August and planned an activity, hosting the
other three wards.  That way, we had a great turn out of YW and each ward only
had to host one time.  The other three weeks in the month were left to each
ward to plan as usual.  It was really fun and we had some great activities.

Joyce Terry
Salem Utah Stake

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