ftp.xmission.com/2014.06.ftp.xmission.com.tar/ftp.xmission.com/pub/lists/lds-yw/archive/v01.n188

Internet Message Format | 1998-07-15 | 41KB

From: [e-mail] (lds-yw-digest)
To: [e-mail]
Subject: lds-yw-digest V1 #188
Reply-To: lds-yw-digest
Sender: [e-mail]
Errors-To: [e-mail]
Precedence: bulk


lds-yw-digest         Thursday, July 16 1998         Volume 01 : Number 188




----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:29:46 PDT
From: "Dee Lynn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (lds-yw) What To Do?

Hello everyone.  I've never posted to this list before, so I hope you
all get this.  I'm the YW second counselor in my ward and we've got a
problem that our presidency is trying to figure out how to deal with.
Last year two of our YW gave birth to baby boys, and Sunday we found out
that one of our graduating laurels is pregnant.  As a presidency, we're
at a loss as to why this is happening.  With the bishops permission we
would like to sit down with our girls and have a loving yet very honest
and frank discussion about what is going on and how we can avoid this
problem with the YW we still have. We're also working with our bishop to
have him give some kind of standards fireside to all of the youth, but
we think we need more.  Does
anyone have any ideas on how we can approach this problem and how we can
consistently reinforce the importance of obeying the law of chastity.
We do have a couple of younger girls that we are already worrying about,
and two of the YW that got pregnant have younger sisters who are
currently in the YW program. So, we'll take all the advice we can get.

Thanks,
Diana


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 08:46:28 -0700
From: Lance Proffit <[e-mail]>
Subject: (lds-yw) What To Do? -Reply

I have some of the same concerns in my ward.  I wish we could install
testimonies in the youth.  The words of the brethren to give the gospel to
the youth, straight and undilluted, ring in my ears.  Teach them the
doctrines first.  Why stay morally clean?  What is the doctrine behind the
principle?  We are striving to teach doctrine followed by principles
followed by commandments.  Elder Packer said teaching the doctrine will
do more to change behavior more than talking about behavior will change
behavior.

God bless you in your efforts with his daughters,

Bishop Lance Proffit

>>> "Dee Lynn" <[e-mail]> 07/16/98 08:29am >>>
Hello everyone.  I've never posted to this list before, so I hope you
all get this.  I'm the YW second counselor in my ward and we've got a
problem that our presidency is trying to figure out how to deal with.
Last year two of our YW gave birth to baby boys, and Sunday we found
out
that one of our graduating laurels is pregnant.  As a presidency, we're
at a loss as to why this is happening.  With the bishops permission we
would like to sit down with our girls and have a loving yet very honest
and frank discussion about what is going on and how we can avoid this
problem with the YW we still have. We're also working with our bishop to

have him give some kind of standards fireside to all of the youth, but
we think we need more.  Does
anyone have any ideas on how we can approach this problem and how
we can
consistently reinforce the importance of obeying the law of chastity.
We do have a couple of younger girls that we are already worrying
about,
and two of the YW that got pregnant have younger sisters who are
currently in the YW program. So, we'll take all the advice we can get.

Thanks,
Diana


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.


- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 09:04:46 -0700
From: Brandon & Shiela <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What To Do? -Reply

Do pregnant YW go to RS as soon as you find out they are pregnant? (personally
I think they should, but I was curious to know if there is a "rule" about
it).  When my cousin was a jr in HS she became pregnant.  I was a sr and she
and I were very close.  I couldn't have been more heart broken.  I remember
there being a big "push" in yw just after that with lessons on chastity,
morality etc.  I was also a Laurel at the time and "honestly" the lessons made
me feel awkward, but my other cousin, who was a new Mia Maid at the time said
the lessons made a big difference to her.  This may have been unique to the
small town I grew up in, but if I had to do it now as a leader, I would focus
big time on the Beehives and MiaMaids.  I am not saying to give up on the
Laurels, but I might try to think of a different way to approach them.
Afterall, they are "almost adults who don't need to be talked to like
children" :) (I remember feeling that way as a Laurel, what I wouldn't give to
do those days over ▄)  I feel as if I am rambling, and as if I have not
touched on a single thing you asked about.  I guess summing it up I would say
to approach each class (age) differently.  I think a bishop or stk president
fireside would be good, but as for your part in it I would take seperate
approaches to the different classes.  They are all at different stages in
life.  Different physical stages, different educational stages, different
maturity stages.  Ok, I am done.  Good luck, and blessing to you!

Lance Proffit wrote:

> I have some of the same concerns in my ward.  I wish we could install
> testimonies in the youth.  The words of the brethren to give the gospel to
> the youth, straight and undilluted, ring in my ears.  Teach them the
> doctrines first.  Why stay morally clean?  What is the doctrine behind the
> principle?  We are striving to teach doctrine followed by principles
> followed by commandments.  Elder Packer said teaching the doctrine will
> do more to change behavior more than talking about behavior will change
> behavior.
>
> God bless you in your efforts with his daughters,
>
> Bishop Lance Proffit
>
> >>> "Dee Lynn" <[e-mail]> 07/16/98 08:29am >>>
> Hello everyone.  I've never posted to this list before, so I hope you
> all get this.  I'm the YW second counselor in my ward and we've got a
> problem that our presidency is trying to figure out how to deal with.
> Last year two of our YW gave birth to baby boys, and Sunday we found
> out
> that one of our graduating laurels is pregnant.  As a presidency, we're
> at a loss as to why this is happening.  With the bishops permission we
> would like to sit down with our girls and have a loving yet very honest
> and frank discussion about what is going on and how we can avoid this
> problem with the YW we still have. We're also working with our bishop to
>
> have him give some kind of standards fireside to all of the youth, but
> we think we need more.  Does
> anyone have any ideas on how we can approach this problem and how
> we can
> consistently reinforce the importance of obeying the law of chastity.
> We do have a couple of younger girls that we are already worrying
> about,
> and two of the YW that got pregnant have younger sisters who are
> currently in the YW program. So, we'll take all the advice we can get.
>
> Thanks,
> Diana
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
> -
>  To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
>  with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
>  For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
>  "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.
>
> -
>  To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
>  with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
>  For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
>  "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.




- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:11:13 -0600
From: Ricki Edwards <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (lds-yw) What To Do?

The pain of watching this and feeling so helpless is so overwhelming.  Here
are some world statistics that may help some of the younger girls think.  I
needed to prepare a talk on this a while back, I was surprised at how direct
and open out Prophets have addressed this.  At that time I followed a link
from the LDS home page to a sight on morality that was filled with them.

No girl boy get togethers until age 14 ..
        No dating until 16
        Only group dating until age 18
    World statistics prove that the Prophet knows the needs of the youth
of today.
        12 yr old dating 95% sexually active at graduation
        14 yr old dating 65%
        16 yr old dating less than 10 % sexually active at
graduation
    Peer pressure is tough, but remember 'If you displease God Satan
will laugh !'

    Out of 150 local seminary students only 24 say daily prayers. ( this
frightened me, one institite instructor took a private pole to find these
results,  I think this is one place we must start to reach our youth is the
desire to pray, to arm themselves with the spirit)

    Only 1 in 10 women will not have to provide a major amount of the
household income.
        Death,    Injury,    Poorly trained,   Divorce.
(We need to keep our youth busy, but I somtimes question the false sense of
finances we give them in earning their own money that is not tagged for
family needs.  We somehow seem to instill a job (therefor money) above
family, church, education. Then they feel adult and independent, when in
reality they are very unprepared to face the choices they make for early
families)

some punch lines that may not be spiritual, but may be heard by one girl.

Do you think that Mr.  Prince Charming Right really wants a sandwich that
every guy in school has licked the butter off?
    Instead of worrying about finding Mr Right, become Ms Right.  Live a
life that will attract others of high standards.  And Mr Right will find you
in the Lord's time.


??    What type of man do you want to spend eternity with as your
companion?
    Will he hold and honor priesthood
    What talents that you will have that he will love and admire
    What is his neatest coolest attribute, what will attract you
    Will he value as sexy or as appealing something rare and precious
    What your home be like
    How will your wedding day  be, where, how will you feel, how will he
look at you
    Does he love you forever or just how long it lasts

Some day your prince will come..... will you be ready to be his princess?

I wish I could help you with this heavy burden. I have strong testimony of
callings, I know the Lord will prepare a way for you to touch at least some
of their lives.
Ricki

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Dee Lynn [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, July 16, 1998 9:30 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    (lds-yw) What To Do?
>
> Hello everyone.  I've never posted to this list before, so I hope you
> all get this.  I'm the YW second counselor in my ward and we've got a
> problem that our presidency is trying to figure out how to deal with.
> Last year two of our YW gave birth to baby boys, and Sunday we found out
> that one of our graduating laurels is pregnant.  As a presidency, we're
> at a loss as to why this is happening.  With the bishops permission we
> would like to sit down with our girls and have a loving yet very honest
> and frank discussion about what is going on and how we can avoid this
> problem with the YW we still have. We're also working with our bishop to
> have him give some kind of standards fireside to all of the youth, but
> we think we need more.  Does
> anyone have any ideas on how we can approach this problem and how we can
> consistently reinforce the importance of obeying the law of chastity.
> We do have a couple of younger girls that we are already worrying about,
> and two of the YW that got pregnant have younger sisters who are
> currently in the YW program. So, we'll take all the advice we can get.
>
> Thanks,
> Diana
>
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
> -
>  To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
>  with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
>  For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
>  "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:13:43 -0600
From: Ricki Edwards <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (lds-yw) What To Do? -Reply

Yes, there is a guideline that they should go to RS.  But the Bishop and
sometimes Stake should be prayerfully consulted about the needs of each girl
and circumstances and group of girls.
Ricki

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Brandon & Shiela [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, July 16, 1998 10:05 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: (lds-yw) What To Do? -Reply
>
> Do pregnant YW go to RS as soon as you find out they are pregnant?
> (personally
> I think they should, but I was curious to know if there is a "rule" about
> it).  When my cousin was a jr in HS she became pregnant.  I was a sr and
> she
> and I were very close.  I couldn't have been more heart broken.  I
> remember
> there being a big "push" in yw just after that with lessons on chastity,
> morality etc.  I was also a Laurel at the time and "honestly" the lessons
> made
> me feel awkward, but my other cousin, who was a new Mia Maid at the time
> said
> the lessons made a big difference to her.  This may have been unique to
> the
> small town I grew up in, but if I had to do it now as a leader, I would
> focus
> big time on the Beehives and MiaMaids.  I am not saying to give up on the
> Laurels, but I might try to think of a different way to approach them.
> Afterall, they are "almost adults who don't need to be talked to like
> children" :) (I remember feeling that way as a Laurel, what I wouldn't
> give to
> do those days over ▄)  I feel as if I am rambling, and as if I have not
> touched on a single thing you asked about.  I guess summing it up I would
> say
> to approach each class (age) differently.  I think a bishop or stk
> president
> fireside would be good, but as for your part in it I would take seperate
> approaches to the different classes.  They are all at different stages in
> life.  Different physical stages, different educational stages, different
> maturity stages.  Ok, I am done.  Good luck, and blessing to you!
>
> Lance Proffit wrote:
>
> > I have some of the same concerns in my ward.  I wish we could install
> > testimonies in the youth.  The words of the brethren to give the gospel
> to
> > the youth, straight and undilluted, ring in my ears.  Teach them the
> > doctrines first.  Why stay morally clean?  What is the doctrine behind
> the
> > principle?  We are striving to teach doctrine followed by principles
> > followed by commandments.  Elder Packer said teaching the doctrine will
> > do more to change behavior more than talking about behavior will change
> > behavior.
> >
> > God bless you in your efforts with his daughters,
> >
> > Bishop Lance Proffit
> >
> > >>> "Dee Lynn" <[e-mail]> 07/16/98 08:29am >>>
> > Hello everyone.  I've never posted to this list before, so I hope you
> > all get this.  I'm the YW second counselor in my ward and we've got a
> > problem that our presidency is trying to figure out how to deal with.
> > Last year two of our YW gave birth to baby boys, and Sunday we found
> > out
> > that one of our graduating laurels is pregnant.  As a presidency, we're
> > at a loss as to why this is happening.  With the bishops permission we
> > would like to sit down with our girls and have a loving yet very honest
> > and frank discussion about what is going on and how we can avoid this
> > problem with the YW we still have. We're also working with our bishop to
> >
> > have him give some kind of standards fireside to all of the youth, but
> > we think we need more.  Does
> > anyone have any ideas on how we can approach this problem and how
> > we can
> > consistently reinforce the importance of obeying the law of chastity.
> > We do have a couple of younger girls that we are already worrying
> > about,
> > and two of the YW that got pregnant have younger sisters who are
> > currently in the YW program. So, we'll take all the advice we can get.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Diana
> >
> > ______________________________________________________
> > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> >
> > -
> >  To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
> >  with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
> >  For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
> >  "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.
> >
> > -
> >  To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
> >  with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
> >  For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
> >  "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.
>
>
>
>
> -
>  To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
>  with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
>  For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
>  "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:29:40 -0700
From: "Susan J. Hogg" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What To Do? -Reply

We had a YW become pregnant last year (Laurel) and her sister was a Mia
Maid.  We were told that a pregnant YW is required to move on to RS
immediately and begin to learn the skills they will use in their new
role.  That first Sunday after all the YW and the presidency found out,
the Bishop and YW President held a combined YW lesson (instead of the
normal class time).  It was VERY spiritual and I think the girls
understood the seriousness of the issue.  The Bishop addressed the
difficult road this YW has chosen and the chances she has taken of not
going to the temple.  He also addressed those that are in pre-mortal
existance and how we should be sure we are giving these souls a proper
home to come into and welcome them to Earth in the proper way.  I
thought that was a good approach too.  It made them realize that this
baby isn't just a 'situation' to be dealt with, but a baby is a 'family
plan.' =20

The girls had some great questions which were spiritual and very
appropriately addressed.  One was "some of my friends in school are
pregnant, too.  Should we be involved in throwing them a shower, or
would that be condoning their situation?"  Excellent question, and the
bishop answered to the effect that you should be there as a friend, as
in any situation.  No, you should not throw a shower for this person,
but offering to listen would be the best gift of all.  They should be a
guide through these dark times.

I wish you luck and prayers.  I'm afraid we're in for more situations
like this as these last days roll forth...

Brandon & Shiela wrote:
>=20
> Do pregnant YW go to RS as soon as you find out they are pregnant? (per=
sonally
> I think they should, but I was curious to know if there is a "rule" abo=
ut
> it).  When my cousin was a jr in HS she became pregnant.  I was a sr an=
d she
> and I were very close.  I couldn't have been more heart broken.  I reme=
mber
> there being a big "push" in yw just after that with lessons on chastity=
,
> morality etc.  I was also a Laurel at the time and "honestly" the lesso=
ns made
> me feel awkward, but my other cousin, who was a new Mia Maid at the tim=
e said
> the lessons made a big difference to her.  This may have been unique to=
 the
> small town I grew up in, but if I had to do it now as a leader, I would=
 focus
> big time on the Beehives and MiaMaids.  I am not saying to give up on t=
he
> Laurels, but I might try to think of a different way to approach them.
> Afterall, they are "almost adults who don't need to be talked to like
> children" :) (I remember feeling that way as a Laurel, what I wouldn't =
give to
> do those days over =DC)  I feel as if I am rambling, and as if I have n=
ot
> touched on a single thing you asked about.  I guess summing it up I wou=
ld say
> to approach each class (age) differently.  I think a bishop or stk pres=
ident
> fireside would be good, but as for your part in it I would take seperat=
e
> approaches to the different classes.  They are all at different stages =
in
> life.  Different physical stages, different educational stages, differe=
nt
> maturity stages.  Ok, I am done.  Good luck, and blessing to you!
>=20
> Lance Proffit wrote:
>=20
> > I have some of the same concerns in my ward.  I wish we could install
> > testimonies in the youth.  The words of the brethren to give the gosp=
el to
> > the youth, straight and undilluted, ring in my ears.  Teach them the
> > doctrines first.  Why stay morally clean?  What is the doctrine behin=
d the
> > principle?  We are striving to teach doctrine followed by principles
> > followed by commandments.  Elder Packer said teaching the doctrine wi=
ll
> > do more to change behavior more than talking about behavior will chan=
ge
> > behavior.
> >
> > God bless you in your efforts with his daughters,
> >
> > Bishop Lance Proffit
> >
> > >>> "Dee Lynn" <[e-mail]> 07/16/98 08:29am >>>
> > Hello everyone.  I've never posted to this list before, so I hope you
> > all get this.  I'm the YW second counselor in my ward and we've got a
> > problem that our presidency is trying to figure out how to deal with.
> > Last year two of our YW gave birth to baby boys, and Sunday we found
> > out
> > that one of our graduating laurels is pregnant.  As a presidency, we'=
re
> > at a loss as to why this is happening.  With the bishops permission w=
e
> > would like to sit down with our girls and have a loving yet very hone=
st
> > and frank discussion about what is going on and how we can avoid this
> > problem with the YW we still have. We're also working with our bishop=
 to
> >
> > have him give some kind of standards fireside to all of the youth, bu=
t
> > we think we need more.  Does
> > anyone have any ideas on how we can approach this problem and how
> > we can
> > consistently reinforce the importance of obeying the law of chastity.
> > We do have a couple of younger girls that we are already worrying
> > about,
> > and two of the YW that got pregnant have younger sisters who are
> > currently in the YW program. So, we'll take all the advice we can get.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Diana

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:34:06 -0600
From: Ricki Edwards <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (lds-yw) What To Do? -Reply

The in tune spirituallity of your awesome leadership touches me.  I hope
that the blessings from this valiant effort will show in the choices of the
girls that had the opportunity to be touched by this experience.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:    Susan J. Hogg [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, July 16, 1998 12:30 PM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    Re: (lds-yw) What To Do? -Reply
>
> We had a YW become pregnant last year (Laurel) and her sister was a Mia
> Maid.  We were told that a pregnant YW is required to move on to RS
> immediately and begin to learn the skills they will use in their new
> role.  That first Sunday after all the YW and the presidency found out,
> the Bishop and YW President held a combined YW lesson (instead of the
> normal class time).  It was VERY spiritual and I think the girls
> understood the seriousness of the issue.  The Bishop addressed the
> difficult road this YW has chosen and the chances she has taken of not
> going to the temple.  He also addressed those that are in pre-mortal
> existance and how we should be sure we are giving these souls a proper
> home to come into and welcome them to Earth in the proper way.  I
> thought that was a good approach too.  It made them realize that this
> baby isn't just a 'situation' to be dealt with, but a baby is a 'family
> plan.'
>
> The girls had some great questions which were spiritual and very
> appropriately addressed.  One was "some of my friends in school are
> pregnant, too.  Should we be involved in throwing them a shower, or
> would that be condoning their situation?"  Excellent question, and the
> bishop answered to the effect that you should be there as a friend, as
> in any situation.  No, you should not throw a shower for this person,
> but offering to listen would be the best gift of all.  They should be a
> guide through these dark times.
>
> I wish you luck and prayers.  I'm afraid we're in for more situations
> like this as these last days roll forth...
>
> Brandon & Shiela wrote:
> >
> > Do pregnant YW go to RS as soon as you find out they are pregnant?
> (personally
> > I think they should, but I was curious to know if there is a "rule"
> about
> > it).  When my cousin was a jr in HS she became pregnant.  I was a sr and
> she
> > and I were very close.  I couldn't have been more heart broken.  I
> remember
> > there being a big "push" in yw just after that with lessons on chastity,
> > morality etc.  I was also a Laurel at the time and "honestly" the
> lessons made
> > me feel awkward, but my other cousin, who was a new Mia Maid at the time
> said
> > the lessons made a big difference to her.  This may have been unique to
> the
> > small town I grew up in, but if I had to do it now as a leader, I would
> focus
> > big time on the Beehives and MiaMaids.  I am not saying to give up on
> the
> > Laurels, but I might try to think of a different way to approach them.
> > Afterall, they are "almost adults who don't need to be talked to like
> > children" :) (I remember feeling that way as a Laurel, what I wouldn't
> give to
> > do those days over ▄)  I feel as if I am rambling, and as if I have not
> > touched on a single thing you asked about.  I guess summing it up I
> would say
> > to approach each class (age) differently.  I think a bishop or stk
> president
> > fireside would be good, but as for your part in it I would take seperate
> > approaches to the different classes.  They are all at different stages
> in
> > life.  Different physical stages, different educational stages,
> different
> > maturity stages.  Ok, I am done.  Good luck, and blessing to you!
> >
> > Lance Proffit wrote:
> >
> > > I have some of the same concerns in my ward.  I wish we could install
> > > testimonies in the youth.  The words of the brethren to give the
> gospel to
> > > the youth, straight and undilluted, ring in my ears.  Teach them the
> > > doctrines first.  Why stay morally clean?  What is the doctrine behind
> the
> > > principle?  We are striving to teach doctrine followed by principles
> > > followed by commandments.  Elder Packer said teaching the doctrine
> will
> > > do more to change behavior more than talking about behavior will
> change
> > > behavior.
> > >
> > > God bless you in your efforts with his daughters,
> > >
> > > Bishop Lance Proffit
> > >
> > > >>> "Dee Lynn" <[e-mail]> 07/16/98 08:29am >>>
> > > Hello everyone.  I've never posted to this list before, so I hope you
> > > all get this.  I'm the YW second counselor in my ward and we've got a
> > > problem that our presidency is trying to figure out how to deal with.
> > > Last year two of our YW gave birth to baby boys, and Sunday we found
> > > out
> > > that one of our graduating laurels is pregnant.  As a presidency,
> we're
> > > at a loss as to why this is happening.  With the bishops permission we
> > > would like to sit down with our girls and have a loving yet very
> honest
> > > and frank discussion about what is going on and how we can avoid this
> > > problem with the YW we still have. We're also working with our bishop
> to
> > >
> > > have him give some kind of standards fireside to all of the youth, but
> > > we think we need more.  Does
> > > anyone have any ideas on how we can approach this problem and how
> > > we can
> > > consistently reinforce the importance of obeying the law of chastity.
> > > We do have a couple of younger girls that we are already worrying
> > > about,
> > > and two of the YW that got pregnant have younger sisters who are
> > > currently in the YW program. So, we'll take all the advice we can get.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Diana
>
> -
>  To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
>  with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
>  For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
>  "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:55:51 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: (lds-yw) Mini-mission game

I have a request...  For our youth conference we are have a mini mission
activity, similar to the one that was posted several months ago.  For one of
the games we are having a foreign language match-up.  We will have "The Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" written in different languages, and the
youth will try to match each one to the correct language.  ( Does this make
sense?)  Anyway, what I need is some help in getting "The Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints" translated into several languages.  If anyone out
there has served a mission, or someone in their home has, or someone just
happens to speak a foreign language, would you mind sending me the
translations?  You can email privately. I need these as soon as possible!!!  I
can compile the list and then post it if anyone is interested in using this
game at a future activity.
Thanks!!!
- --Jacqui,  Stake YW Pres in Alabama    <A HREF="mailto:[e-mail]">
[e-mail]</A>

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 12:57:11 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) What To Do? -Reply

In a message dated 7/16/98 9:06:12 AM, you wrote:

<<Do pregnant YW go to RS as soon as you find out they are pregnant?
(personally

I think they should, but I was curious to know if there is a "rule" about

it). >>

In a bulletin release a few years ago, I remember it stating that YW may
remain in YW after the birth of their baby if they are under 17, but the baby
may not come to class or any activities with the YW. If they are 17, they are
to go to Relief Society. I personally feel that if a YW has a baby and keeps
it, she belongs in RS.

Ginger in Santa Rosa

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:13:09 -0600
From: "The Salter's" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (lds-yw) Boy-Girl parties

>No girl boy get togethers until age 14 ..
>        No dating until 16
>        Only group dating until age 18
>    World statistics prove that the Prophet knows the needs of the youth
>    of today.

Ricki,

Your post was very good.  I just have one question, it's going to show how
conservative I am, but I am curious as to the opinions of others so here
goes. . .

It concerns the girl-boy get togethers at age 14.  In my mind this could
easily become group dating.  I know of a Seminary teacher in my ward that
has students over occasionally for a get together, but he won't allow
anyone to come unless they are 16 because he also considers boy-girl
parties to be group dating.  I know that initially it starts out pretty
innocent, but soon they start to pair off and that is where the group
dating begins.

It's my understanding that any socializing of boys and girls should be
under a church setting or WELL SUPERVISED school setting.

I know that this is pretty conservative, but if this kind of activity is
held off until age 16, then they would probably be less inclined to get
into the heavy stuff before they are ready to handle it.

Okay, your turn. . . .

Kathy S.

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 11:28:15 -0600
From: Ricki Edwards <[e-mail]>
Subject: RE: (lds-yw) Boy-Girl parties

I agree with your viewpoint, but I try to just go by what the directives are
from our Prophets in the 'For Strength of Youth' handbook.  It does state
that carefully supervised combined group activities and dances are
appropriate at 14.  But the youth are warned that pairing off crosses the
line into dating and is inappropriate.

Now I have a question, How do we encourage our youth to stand up for their
values in group situations.  Like pairing off at activities that began
appropriately, or inappropriate discussions like tell alls' (conquest
bragging) or jokes or movies in home. Where do we help them find the
strength to stand for what they believe or feel.  We had 3 girls in a camp
tent engage in innappropriate discussion, 17 who did not approve kept quiet.
HELP?!?!?
Ricki  --Ricki Edwards
- -- e--mail: [e-mail]


> -----Original Message-----
> From:    The Salter's [SMTP:[e-mail]]
> Sent:    Thursday, July 16, 1998 11:13 AM
> To:    [e-mail]
> Subject:    (lds-yw) Boy-Girl parties
>
> >No girl boy get togethers until age 14 ..
> >        No dating until 16
> >        Only group dating until age 18
> >    World statistics prove that the Prophet knows the needs of the youth
> >    of today.
>
> Ricki,
>
> Your post was very good.  I just have one question, it's going to show how
> conservative I am, but I am curious as to the opinions of others so here
> goes. . .
>
> It concerns the girl-boy get togethers at age 14.  In my mind this could
> easily become group dating.  I know of a Seminary teacher in my ward that
> has students over occasionally for a get together, but he won't allow
> anyone to come unless they are 16 because he also considers boy-girl
> parties to be group dating.  I know that initially it starts out pretty
> innocent, but soon they start to pair off and that is where the group
> dating begins.
>
> It's my understanding that any socializing of boys and girls should be
> under a church setting or WELL SUPERVISED school setting.
>
> I know that this is pretty conservative, but if this kind of activity is
> held off until age 16, then they would probably be less inclined to get
> into the heavy stuff before they are ready to handle it.
>
> Okay, your turn. . . .
>
> Kathy S.
>
> -
>  To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
>  with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
>  For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
>  "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 13:38:05 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (lds-yw) Pioneer Skit -Reply

Hi!  Thanks for your reply!  Do you know how I could get a copy of it?
It sounds like it is just perfect for his needs.   It is a neat idea for
a skit!--to do it from the oxen's point of view!

Thanks so much for helping!

Sincerely,  Sheila Stewart

_____________________________________________________________________
You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.
Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com
Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 10:47:37 PDT
From: "Dee Lynn" <[e-mail]>
Subject: (lds-yw) What To Do?

Thank you all for your wonderful advice about handling  our pregnancy
problem.  Our presidency really feels like we're going to need a lot of
help on this one.  It's really tough to try and make the girls
understand what a tragedy these things are and how they can throw your
life into spin cycle.  One of the big problem we see with this comes
from the two YW who got pregnant last year.  Both girls kept their
babies and are living at home with their parents.  I know that it's
important that they have the support of their parents, but I don't think
the other YW see how hard it would be otherwise.  Even the younger
sisters of the "YW mothers" don't see their older sisters struggling
yet, and therefor get a false sense of how bad the situation really is.
One of the young mothers spends her paycheck at Baby Gap instead of
saving it for the future, when she might find that she really needs it.
I think it's important to teach them how hard it is to raise a child on
their own, but I also think it's more important to teach them why they
should avoid the type of behavior that would lead to that in the first
place.  How do you teach the importance of moral cleanliness when
everything around them tries to convince them otherwise?  Please, keep
sending your advice.  This is one that's going to take a lot of prayers.
Diana

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

- -
 To unsubscribe to lds-yw, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe lds-yw" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.

------------------------------

End of lds-yw-digest V1 #188
****************************

-
 To unsubscribe to $LIST, send an email to "[e-mail]"
 with "unsubscribe $LIST" in the body of the message.
 For information on digests or retrieving files and old messages send
 "help" to the same address.  Do not use quotes in your message.