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klr650-digest        Friday, September 10 1999        Volume 02 : Number 865



Re: (klr650) aftermarket add-ons
Re: (klr650) Vacation overdue NKLR NXRL
(klr650) Most HP & fastest KLR
Re: (klr650) Cool weather gear?
Re: (klr650) Most HP & fastest KLR
Re: (klr650) Vacation overdue NKLR
(klr650) KLR mods
Re: (klr650) Helmet & Pipe advice
Re: (klr650) What's Dual Sport? NKLR
Re: (klr650) Y2K XR650 sweet!  NKLR
Re: (klr650) aftermarket add-ons
Re: (klr650) KLR mods
Re: (klr650) Petcock Revisited

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:39:11 -0700
From: Eric & Jill Dietiker <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) aftermarket add-ons

When I bought my Mikuni 38mm round slide from White Bros., I found it to be
jetted far too lean. WB claimed to have it jetted for a Supertrapp w/12
discs, and a K&N filter with holes drilled in the airbox. But when I
exchanged my stock exhaust for a Supertrapp IDS, I felt a distinct power
loss. So it must have been too lean. The KLR seems to run fine in a wide
range of jetting. But each time I richened up the jetting, my finely
calibrated wheelie-o-meter showed more power on tap. And my finely tuned
odometer showed fewer miles per tank :-(.

Eric.
- -----Original Message-----
From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) aftermarket add-ons


>JAKE
>How close was the after market carb to been jeted in right, Was it in the
>ball park or spot on jet wise??, Is it a CV type carb or is it a slide
type,
>Also is it 40mm or 38mm.
>
>      Thanks
>
>     Mike
>In a message dated 9/9/99 11:02:29 AM EST, [e-mail] writes:
>
><< y new Y2K GREEN MACHINE is now ready for action thanks to Fred.  I now
>have
> a Big Gun exhaust, Mikuni performance carb, K&N air filter, Progressive
>front
> springs, SS brake line, and pro gel grips. >>
>
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>http://www.listquest.com/lq/search.html?ln=klr650
>Subscribe to Dual Sport News...write to [e-mail] for info.
>


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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 23:56:17 -0700
From: "Steven Timm" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Vacation overdue NKLR NXRL

Have agood trip Fred! When ya get back I'll be ordering my shock/spring
combo from ya.
Cheers...
Steve
- -----Original Message-----
From: Fred Hink <[e-mail]>
To: KLR 650 list <[e-mail]>; [e-mail]
<[e-mail]>
Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 20:57
Subject: (klr650) Vacation overdue NKLR NXRL


>The corn fields are beconing me again.  I will be away from Moab for a week
>or so starting Sept. 12, helping with the corn harvest on my farm in
Kansas.
>If anyone needs anything, I will have someone here to answer the phone and
>take your order.  My business hours (Sept. 13-18) will be from 9 to 1
Monday
>thru Friday if you need to call.  You can also email anything you need to
my
>email address.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Fred Hink
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>         Arrowhead Motorsports
>http://www.angelfire.com/ut/moab/
>435-259-7356  Fax [phone]
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>
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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 23:13:33 -0700
From: Gregory Petrich <[e-mail]>
Subject: (klr650) Most HP & fastest KLR

Out of curiosity...

What is the most horse power/torque someone has been able to produce out
of a KLR engine.  What were the modifications done to this engine /
bike?  Some one must have tried racing these things at one time or
another.  Most of traffic that I read on this forum revolves around
fairly simple carb/jetting changes, new pipes, or air cleaners.

Has any one really gone nuts on one of these things and turned it into a
killer machine?

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 00:44:50 -0700
From: Rich Kickbush <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Cool weather gear?

Eric & Jill Dietiker wrote:

> In addition to warm jackets and gloves, it helps alot to protect your face
> and head. Three things I've used over the years work great. For the cheap, a
> bandana pulled up over the nose keeps away the frostbitten chin. Something
> called The Masque is a form fitting neoprene version of that. For full head
> protection, order a balaclava, which is a silk sock for your head. Use this
> with a Masque for the ultimate... well, the ultimate would be a heated
> version.
>

Outdoor Research from Seattle do a great ski bandana, made of windstopper
fleece.  Has a hole covered with mesh to prevent buildup of condensation from
breath, works great with any high collared jacket.  Velcro fastner at the back.
Can't say enough about the great design of everything OR do, this is a good
example.

Rich

>
> Eric.
> >k man wrote:
> >
> >> Hey KLRoids,
> >>
> >> With fall approaching, what do you all do during
> >> commutes to stay warm?
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:05:13 -0400
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: (klr650) Most HP & fastest KLR

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Petrich <[e-mail]>
To: <[e-mail]>
Sent: Friday, September 10, 1999 2:13 AM
Subject: (klr650) Most HP & fastest KLR


> Out of curiosity...
>
> What is the most horse power/torque someone has been able to produce out
> of a KLR engine.  What were the modifications done to this engine /
> bike?  Some one must have tried racing these things at one time or
> another.  Most of traffic that I read on this forum revolves around
> fairly simple carb/jetting changes, new pipes, or air cleaners.
>
> Has any one really gone nuts on one of these things and turned it into a
> killer machine?
>

Ask Geno! He's da man...


Anyone know how I can get my 95 KLR650 to pull wheelies in 5th gear?  It's
the baddest KLR around and beats the snot out of anyone elses on this list.
 Today alone, I out ran 2 county deputies by weaving in and out of traffic.
 Even made a racer boy on a Ducati pull over in awe ;-)  [g]


Gino





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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:28:45 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Vacation overdue NKLR

I'll be offline as well until next week.  I'm swamped at school, and this
weekend I'm making my yearly trek to the Oregon coast for some killer
windsurfing and straight up sail-less surfing.  (I'm dying to try kite
surfing, if I can find the gear.)My relatives have a beach cabin about six
steps from the beach at Tolovana Park, right by Haystack Rock.  The wife and
I had our honeymoon there, and this will be our seventh aniversary.  Got the
SUV all duded up with the boards on top, top luggage carrier, mountain bikes
on the back, and with my GRILL GUARDS I look like an advertisement.  Gee, I
feel like such a poser I might as well keep it loaded up like that all the
time!  What a sporting image I cut!

Jeff


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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 05:34:52 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: (klr650) KLR mods

Jake posts:
"My new Y2K GREEN MACHINE is now ready for action thanks to Fred.  I now have
a Big Gun exhaust, Mikuni performance carb, K&N air filter, Progressive front
springs, SS brake line, and pro gel grips.
I would recommend to everybody to replace the CV carb, the difference is
night and day.. The performance carb has incredible throttle response and
increased power in every area."

That's great Jake. Did you do the mods one at a time to evaluate their
individual effects on the bike, or did you do them all at once?  Are you sure
it was the carb that made the big difference and not the Big Gun?

- -Jim Henry: Co-Honcho, Republic of Texas Biker Rally
- -Travis County Expo Center in Austin, 9-11 June 2000
- [e-mail]
- -[phone] vox/fax
- -[phone] info line/fax modem

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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:46:46 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Helmet & Pipe advice

> Which problem are you referring to ? Providing you install the retaining
pin I
> have heard of no other problems than Gino's original installation
problems...
> Thanks, Brian
>
> Jeff & Lisa Walker wrote:
>
> > By then, the
> > IDS 2 should be in production, and hopefully they have worked out the
> > problems that the IDS has.
>
Oh, problems with fitment, problems with the rear cap coming off, problems
with the packing getting burned out within a few thousand miles.  I have
heard of these from a handful of listers.  Even if only 1 person out of 100
had a problem with a production good, that is an unacceptable production
quality in my book, but then I'm a perfectionist and don't like to gamble.
If your pipe works for you, great.  I don't want to knock the ST IDS, but I
just think that I'll stick with my stock pipe for as long as I can.  The IDS
is fairly new, and there are always Quality Assurance issues in the
beginning of a production run.

Jeff


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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:38:00 -0500
From: Shang Goh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) What's Dual Sport? NKLR

Maybe, just maybe, the term "Dual Sport" sprung from the races in Europe that
introduces dirt bikes events both on tarmac and dirt. Which I think, is when
"Super Motards" became popular there ... a road version of a dirt bike (also,
by the way, I think looks weird)

Well, I may be wrong ... :)

Shang
Newbie


Darrel & Deanna wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
> To: [e-mail] <[e-mail]>
>
> >Does that mean that the two early '60's Matchless owners that I met while
> at
> >Mare Island in 1965 were wrong in using the term Dual Sport when referring
> to
> >the way they rode??  Taking off for the mountains on the and then riding
> the
> >trails.  Thinking about it now, it is amazing how similar those bikes were
> to
> >a KLR.
> >T.S.
>
> T.S-  Your referring to the AMA version of the origin of the term "dual
> sporting" that I posted.  Not necessarily me opinion, but one I wanted to
> pass on.  The question in my mind is whether the term originated from
> enthusiasts or corporate board room meetings.  Suzuki's using the term as
> model identification on some of their DRs.  I'd like to think that "we"
> coined it first.  It's been interesting hearing different opinions of what
> dual sport is.  AMA and Suzuki considers it a type of riding "event" others
> like me say it's a style of riding like we Posse do in Calif.  Basically
> ride to the hills and then through them on dirt roads/trails.  The origin
> argument reminds me of a similar one in the mountain bike crowd as to who
> was the founder of that sport and where it began.
> Happy DS'n,
> Darrel, A12 'avenger"
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 02:59:05 -0700
From: "Jeff & Lisa Walker" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Y2K XR650 sweet!  NKLR

UUUMMMM,  Honda (drool drool) (Homer Simpson)  I wonder if they are going to
make a street legal XRL version of this?

Jeff
>
http://www.cmgonline.com/CMG99/articles/features/special_features/Honda_NewY
2KModels/Honda_NewY2KModels.html
> Y2K XR650 specs and info
>
> Cheers,
>
> Vik
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:45:55 -0500
From: Shang Goh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) aftermarket add-ons

Yup, I would agree with the throttle response and all. But if I may add
something, we should also talk about application here, CV's are generally better
for touring uses as it doesn't over-stresses the engine ... also, for the
uninitiated with a performance slide carb, the result could also be a stalled
motor ... :)

Also, some people will think twice about modifying the airbox( and should) ...
which is almost unavoidable to get a substantial power gain through the revs.

tata ...

Shang


[e-mail] wrote:

> In a message dated 9/9/99 12:02:29 PM, [e-mail] writes:
>
> >I would recommend to everybody to replace the CV carb, the difference is
> >
> >night and day.. The performance carb has incredible throttle response and
> >
> >increased power in every area.
> Yeah, Let me know what your gas mileage goes to.  If it gets better, sign me
> up!
> -neil
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:59:55 -0500
From: Shang Goh <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) KLR mods

Well, pardon me for barging in like this.

But don't you think the difference between a finely tuned CV and a mikuni carb
does not really lie in the power output, but wholely in the response time of the
power? I seriously think this is the reason between the two carb, not amount of
power being put out.

Shang


[e-mail] wrote:

> Jake posts:
> "My new Y2K GREEN MACHINE is now ready for action thanks to Fred.  I now have
> a Big Gun exhaust, Mikuni performance carb, K&N air filter, Progressive front
> springs, SS brake line, and pro gel grips.
> I would recommend to everybody to replace the CV carb, the difference is
> night and day.. The performance carb has incredible throttle response and
> increased power in every area."
>
> That's great Jake. Did you do the mods one at a time to evaluate their
> individual effects on the bike, or did you do them all at once?  Are you sure
> it was the carb that made the big difference and not the Big Gun?
>
> -Jim Henry: Co-Honcho, Republic of Texas Biker Rally
> -Travis County Expo Center in Austin, 9-11 June 2000
> [e-mail]
> -[phone] vox/fax
> -[phone] info line/fax modem
>
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Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 04:39:36 -0700
From: "Arne Larsen" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Re: (klr650) Petcock Revisited

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Skip Faulkner <[e-mail]>
To: Arne Larsen <[e-mail]>
Cc: KLR650 Page <[e-mail]>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: (klr650) Petcock Revisited


>      Kurt will be getting write ups and pictures of both, with a hidden
> volunteer guinea pig doing the  valve one.
>
>
> Skip

Excellent.  I look forward to it.
Cheers,

Arne
Eh 13

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